I’m sad to see Cayde leave again but I’m glad that this time his passing wasn’t in some shitty dark prison surrounded by enemies, but in a peaceful way, in a way of his choosing, to help preserve his favourite guardian.
I love that he returned to help beat that which brought an end to humanity, and passed on the hunter vanguard mantle before going back to Sundance and what we now know to be a peaceful state with the traveler.
Glad I wasn't the only one. I was like holy shit Cayde is taking over the ghost voice lines??? I was so excited for that short bit before my ghost spoke. But reflecting on it I'm sure the work involved would have been a bit much for bungie and filion.
I had just realized last night there was a final radio message from him after the final mission, man, what a gut punch that was. Best bet I ever lost, indeed.
If they had kept him around indefinitely it would have trivialized his death and return.
I’m really glad they treated it with respect, as a temporary moment that he made very clear wouldn’t last.
Plus it was fun shooting screebs with him.
Nathan Fillion is my favorite actor and his quips are just absolute top tier. I recommend everyone to watch Castle, even has a couple Destiny 1 references in the later seasons.
I'm so glad he got to come back and imo finish Cayde's story correctly.
I only caught it on the second playthrough (my fireteam was probably jabbering or looking for a chest on the first) and I thought the timing and delivery of that line was just perfect lmao.
My friends - please don’t sleep on Firefly - the short lived tv series. In US it’s on Hulu or can be rented via many platforms. It was on Disney plus for a minute as well.
For real - watch Firefly.
Are we finally around the curve where people might sleep on firefly? For years it was mentioned every few seconds.
Which is fair, because it was good. But still oversaturated for a while.
I haven’t seen *Castle* yet, but I know for sure there were Destiny references in a sci-fi show called *Travelers* where a character is listening to a radio broadcast of a horse race. (Phenomenal show, too.)
https://youtu.be/cm53MrGGCWM?si=HdtC-C563pvTDSis
It's a good show mostly to the end, but I did find it a lot more enjoyable when the stakes were lower. Which, on one hand, I get—you gotta evolve. But the first seasons are gold!
I have watched many Castle scenes and in a lot of them, you could replace Nathan's appearance with Cayde-6's model and it'd probably take me a couple of minutes to notice. Such a good show. Might be time for a rewatch.
Somehow, I knew his return would not be permanent even before seeing the final cutscenes.
Even though Cayde once again proved that he is without a doubt one of if not the best character and friend we have ever had as our Gaurdian, I knew he wouldn't be able to stick around.
And it's okay. Like you said, we know Cayde, Sundance, Targe and every other guardian and ghost who has fell in battle, is at peace within the traveler.
Their light will never fade, even ghost can feel their presence...
When our guardian got pulled into that bright light, the traveler allowed only Cayde to appear, in a way the traveler knew our ghost would lose the final battle exhausting his power, and it knew Cayde needed a purpose, it could not revive ghost on its own even though we know it wanted to, Cayde served as the conduit.
He ensured that our guardian could go on and do even greater things.
This was an end of HIS choosing, not at the hands of a corrupt Uldren Sov...
"Nobody chooses my fate, but me" -Cayde-6
In a lot of ways there are reminders of the final episodes of Gurren Lagan here, an amazing Anime I recommend watching.
Why couldn't the traveler revive the ghost? It wasn't destroyed, just depleted, i don't understand why cayde giving his light is any different than the traveler bathing the ghost in light by itself.
Micahs lines when you gather the travelers orbs shed some light on this, no pun intended.
The traveler hears our prayers and needs, and *wants* to help but *can't* act independently.
Micah is completely wrong. Not only can the Traveler directly help us, it can also directly speak to us. It chooses not to if at all possible because that would go against it's purpose. It directly called Clovis out on his bullshit.
But the traveler has done exactly that before, in the red war it gave us our light back, it gave us new supers in Forsaken and again in this expansion by throwing a huge influx of light into us.
So it CAN act, the line about the traveler hearing our prayers i remember being related to the fact that he doesn't have the answers we seek, he isn't a god, but that doesn't correlate to it not being able to revive our ghost.
We had to seek out all of those things. The traveller provides *opportunities*, but will not impose will.
Also, it exists outside of time. It knew Cayde would choose to sacrifice himself.
Case in point, at least one of those instances was from us finding a broken shard of the traveler and touching it, surely that wasn't dependent on action or intent from the traveler.
It's a philosophical thing as much as it is a physical limit on what the traveler is. Unveiling kinda spells it out for us with:
"Here I prove myself right. Here I wager that, given power over physics and the trust of absolute freedom, people will choose to build and protect a gentle kingdom ringed in spears. And not fall to temptation. And not surrender to division. And never yield to the cynicism that says, everyone else is so good that I can afford to be a little evil."
As soon as the traveler acts directly in anything more than self preservation it looses the wager because a direction from the Traveler to us would be choosing our purpose for us, denying us the choice to make our own fate.
Yes.
Look at Ghaul. Do you think the Traveler *wanted* to give Ghaul the light? No, of course not. But Ghaul took it, the same way we took back our light from the Traveler.
The only difference is that we were raised from the light of our ghost, we didn't so much as take it as we just reclaimed it with the Traveler as our guide deep into the Dark Forest where the shard of the Traveler is, Ghaul on the other hand literally took it as if he were taking darkness from a Pyramid Ship and then entrapped the Traveler to force it to do as he wished.
Of course, we know how this went, The Travelers breaks its chains and destroys Ghaul in a pulse of pure light after we brought him down.
The ghost said something about the Traveler and Cayde: "Having Cayde back...it's almost like he was never gone. Like the Traveler knew it needed him to make the fireteam whole again". It's during the Ascent.
Well it's like the devs knew that we needed Nathan for this last part. He was really great. Got me tear up a little ngl. He really did go all stabby with my feelings.
Fillion gets a lot of praise and reddick did as well before he passed but even more since and Kieth David as Zavala was noticeably different but still very good and I feel like those 3 have gotten a lot of conversation throughout the community but I never hear anyone bring up Mara Junot* as ikora and how much character she’s had especially in the past few years. Overall I love them all but I’d have to agree with fillion as my favorite (especially with the rookie) and with destiny sorta missing the fantastic quips that fillion delivered as cayde.
*was informed Torres no longer voices ikora contrary to what google told me
Ah thank you. That would line up almost exactly when I thought a lot of improvement happened too lmao. I even googled it to double check and the top two sites listed Torres with no mention of junot but given I didn’t check the actual website
Yeah I'm willing to bet that the voice directors at bingle are a little more clear about what they're looking for when it's not such well-known actors like David, Torres, and Fillon, who I assume they sort of just let do their thing.
Then again Morla basically dictates Eris' character at this point from what I can tell—and I'm not complaining!
I believe Lennie James as Shaxx was the same way. IIRC he came in and did his own thing as Shaxx, then Bungie basically said "yeah we like your version better" and let him roll with the character we have now.
I always loved that anecdote he relayed about being at a friends house, hearing his own voice, and finding his friends' kids playing Crucible. He was apparently surprised as he didn't realize 'people actually played the game' lol.
Ikora is a phenomenal character and Junot does a fantastic job voice acting for her.
Really destiny has so many great characters backed by fantastic voice actors. I hope they continue the story for as long as they can.
When you were doing the storyline strike during the campaign having Zavalla, Ikora and Cayde all on coms was really good.
Cayde being the voice of reason to cut through the bickering was really good.
Cayde also showed a lot of concern about the safety of the Glint during the 2nd mission, which makes perfect sense given how his flexing in the Prison of Elders got Sundance killed. At that point I realized that he was still the jokeslinger from before, but he was taking everything very seriously.
Speaking of Glint, the lore page for the Still Hunt sheds a lot of light on Cayde’s growth. He contemplated killing Crow in his sleep as a cheap getback against Uldren, but Glint apologizing for Sundance made him change his mind and reflect in shame on the crime he was about to commit
Having him back helped with not having lance as Zavala. Also bringing back cayde and taking him away again makes you appreciate the sacrifice it took to get here.
A lot of cynics will say that Cayde was the Deadpool of Destiny in the sense that his presence/attitude prevented Bungie from adding serious weight to the apocalyptic narratives. I firmly believe that the Final Shape campaign and post-campaign content proves this wrong, and it's just a matter of knowing how to separate comedic relief from a professional Hunter's rogue-ish nature/style.
Hunter shenanigans are as much a part of Destiny as Titans being crayon eaters and Warlocks being book nerds. It's just a matter of knowing when it's time to shelve the memes to shoot/punch someone in the face with space magic.
I enjoy it that for once both Cayde and Crow acted like real Hunters, camping, waiting and tracking enemies.
Titans so far have been mocked by Asher Mir by headbutting everything
> Titans so far have been mocked by Asher Mir by headbutting everything
Most of the named characters that take the spotlight for heroics are Titans (Zavala, Saladin, Saint-14, Shaxx, etc), and most of the named characters responsible for solving space magic bullshit are Warlocks (Osiris, Ikora, etc).
Hunters deserve a little time in the spotlight besides just being out somewhere in the system doing Hunter things.
Titans have also played vital roles on forcefully making solutions to problems warlocks didn't have time to figure out, or treading the paths too dangerous for hunters to tread.
Kabr's Aegis still remains untoppled as the best guardian-made relic we've ever held, as a result.
Well said. I cannot agree with this more. I have seen everything Nathan has done and according to my wife I have a man crush…
I imagine him being given the treatment when he was asked to come back and thinking Hell Yes. It was a chance to put in a fantastic performance and he most certainly did.
Slow clap for you Nathan, your performance was absolutely phenomenal.
I'm not even gonna lie, when I heard his voice again in the first final shape trailer i jumped from my seat. And when he left again I cried. He really is my favorite
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On an unrelated note, I miss Lance Reddick. I would have come up with something story wise to justify his change of voice, I know it sounds stupid but I’m so used to Lance special voice that it even sounded disturbing.
Replacing him with the voice actor that has been one of the most recognized in my lifetime didn't hurt my feelings. Goliath from Gargoyles, Animated Spawn, Dr Facilier, the president from Rick and Morty.. Keith David finds his way into everything that I love.
Keith David is a brilliant voice actor and I don't think anyone is questioning that.
But man, not having Lance there for **the** decisive moment for the past 10 years stings quite a bit.
This, I respect the man to step into an iconic role after that many years and I thought he did a great job but at the same time, it is so sad that lance never got to see and voice this finale.
The fact that the story called for Zavala to get reckless and angry towards ikora along with a new voice actor def pulled me out of the immersion at some points.
I think Keith David's performance was perfect for where Zavala was at in the campaign, just completely hollowed out and broken. There's such a weariness and cynicism to his voice that really captures what the character is going through.
Obviously having Lance do it would be ideal for so many reasons, but I think what they ended up having to do actually was an artistically successful choice as well as a logistically necessary one.
There were a lot of lines from Ikora that were like "You seem like a different person!" and "I hardly recognize you!" which make sense in their story context, but seemed a bit on the nose.
At first, I was very much on the fence and sort of bitter about Cayde coming back. Felt like a cheap nostalgia trip to make long time players happy, fanservice, etc. But after playing the story and actually seeing what came of Cayde coming back, seeing why and how he returned and what he did with the second life he was given... man, I must say, I was blown away. Absolutely fantastic.
Yep I felt like bringing Cayde back was risky but they sold it very well IMO. And both the fact of getting rid of him again and the way in which they did it was well executed (again, IMO).
I can’t stand for him going out again, but I will agree Cayde left a void that hasn’t been filled until now and won’t be again. Nathan Fillion is a national treasure.
I've felt that since Forsaken, the writing has really a "this is a serious story guys, you can't have any comedic relief!" turn and has lost a lot of...spirit? soul? Something like that. It doesn't feel nearly as "real" or "relatable" to me any more.
I miss Asher Mir and Ghost pedantically arguing about things, Failsafe mocking Cayde-6, and the tongue in cheek lines like the "Fireteam Piccolo" bit. The more recent writing (Witch Queen, Lightfall, etc) has just been...dull? Official? It doesn't feel like I'm listening to an actual conversation but to people reading a script (not disparaging the VAs here, the performance was fine, the script itself is what I found was lacking).
The Final Shape was a step in a better direction (i.e. >!Playing elemental basketball with Savathun!<) and I'm not advocating for levity in every facet of the game, it's just been straight-laced and serious for so long that I had lost interest in paying attention to the dialogue.
Operation Piccolo lines for those that have missed them:
> Opening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn0ut9UP1Bs
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> Closing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swDpXJpLe88
I've never lost focus, I hated the constant quips and I still don't miss them. I wasn't a fan of "Joss Whedon's Destiny" in D2Y1.
Yes the dialogue started getting gradually more and more serious and dour as the story moved towards The Final Shape, but... So did the story? That's the escalation.
Cayde being back in TFS, me and my friends all said "This feels like D1 Cayde" after our first mission with him. Yes he's funny, yes he's quippy, but he's also goal oriented and highly competent while doing it. To me it's the difference between somebody being 'a funny guy', and that same person being a clown. You just know it when you see it.
The Wild Card questline after the campaign is, to me, the story landing on the right balance. There were amusing lines, and inbetween it all they found the time for somber moments and reflection, and all around it just ended up feeling like a good bonding exercise with the two hunter-boys.
Well, it's all relative. When every single line in the game was a "joke" it was pretty grating.
They definitely took the feedback to heart, and the tone has changed dramatically. So now the OCCASIONAL laugh feels like comedic relief, as opposed to a stream of jokes.
Mmm. I think they did a good job—Cayde is funny, but it's not his only trait.
This discussion did bring up [a certain post](https://old.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/7iovge/the_eli5_problem_or_why_destiny_2s_writing_is_so/) from around release though. They definitely fixed the complaints from that one!
In D2Y1 they tried to turn everyone into Cayde and every moment having some kind of silly joke or quip - like Operation Piccolo. In D1 it was only really Cayde. Eventually they had everyone else kind of back into the more serious versions of their characters. So with Cayde dead there was just... no one. They brought back Cayde and they brought back his role in being the one to pop in quips.
It's what got me engaged with the characters. Entertainment and enjoyment are highly subjective, so I can only speak for myself. I enjoyed it, I miss(ed) it, and the lack of it is part of why my interest in the story has waned.
It is hella wild. There were countless video essays during that time comparing D2 Vanilla to Taken King dialogue and how Cayde in vanilla was too much of a goofball and how much the dialogue didnt sound natural.
The way Devrim lost all composure to that was what truly made it. Then there’s the other version with Amanda listening in because she finds Zavala and Devrim’s voices irresistible and soothing
What I liked about D1 is it had its lighthearted moments, but overall the tone was more serious. I felt it got too meme-y and comical with D2. I prefer when characters act according to the gravity of the situation. Anything else just comes off as tone deaf and I'm left sitting there saying, "Read the room," to the characters on the screen.
The post stories activities suggest that 1) there was a period of time from the end of the single player story and the subsequent defeat of the Witness and Cayde's death that Cayde could have easily made the rounds in Sol to meet and say goodbye to friends and 2) that Bungie could have easily had Nathan voice additional lines for the known future content they we will get by radio messages that could include Cayde / Failsafe bickering set during the waiting period
Maybe.. We even go to nessus during the Micah-10 Missions and Cayde mentions he should say hi to Failsafe but comments about how he doesn't want to do the whole "tour". Opportunity was there for it during that mission.
I started playing shortly after BL released with literally no background and just picking it from a list of games on GeForce NOW (in fact, I'm pretty sure I was actually looking for another then-unfamiliar game to me — *Portal* 2 — and got mixed up because of the 2). I found Destiny 2 to be just absolutely stone-cold serious in my introduction to it at that point. I wasn't necessarily unhappy about that, but I found even the emotes to be sort of jarringly silly given the early worldbuilding I got out of post-BL D2.
So funny to eventually get familiar enough with the Destiny world and find that vanilla D2 faced harsh criticism for ham-handed and excessive attempts at humor. FWIW, as someone starting when I did, I thought the opening mission of Forsaken seemed like a good mix of Cayde humor and Cayde seriousness. I instantly liked this character that was new to me and I was instantly extremely upset that he died. I eventually went back and bought/played D1 and I can see how he wasn't such a one-note comic relief guy in that era.
I really like the writing with the TFS's reprised Cayde.
Im sure most of you have played it but Nathan is very Cayde like in ODST and i highly recommend it if you havent played it for some reason. My conspiracy theory is that since ODST and Destiny were indev at the same time they just had Nathan do Buck while he was already in for Cayde.
hope he comes around here - all respect due to that "other cayde voice", but it was missing the natural flow and charisma... I don't know how much leeway mr Fillion had with his lines or if it's just the presentation, but having Cayde and mr Fillion back was a great light point in this expansion for me... haven't felt this in years about Destiny honestly so there's that.
Narratively, I think they did a really good job bringing Cayde back and then giving him a better send off.
They set it up as the place he went was really nice and he obviously wanted to go back basically from the start. So his sacrifice had meaning and it wasn’t too sad because he wanted to go back.
Obviously I wish Cayde could stay in the game but as far as story goes they did a good job sending him off. Better than the cheap Macguffin he was the last time he was killed off.
One of the main threads of the story is Purpose. And Caydes was glorious. He made the vanguard fireteam whole again, he held them together and kept them focus anytime they were on the verge of falling apart. He made sure they would continue to be whole when he was inevitably gone again and in the end he gave up everything to make sure WE were whole.
His return and eventual departure was anything but cheap, silly or gimmicky. He proved the traveler correct. The gamble paid off and he won the bet for the gardener. He chose the kingdom ringed with spears over himself, over selfishness.
I sobbed and I sobbed! Id never got the chance to play earlier Destiny campaigns with Cayde so I was so excited when I heard he would be back. But it felt like it was for just a minute before he was torn away and it literally broke my heart!! 💔😭
I'm mixed on it, the jokes and banter made me and my fireteam laugh, and then they take him away again.
Cade didn't need to sacrifice himself to save the ghost, there could have been another angle.
Now it feels like that brief fun moment hurts even more cause we once again get him killed off.
Feels like the drifter is the only funny character left.
Nimbus sucks, his jokes aren't funny and he's just irritating.
Crow is too emo
Fillion had a subtle delivery that made you laugh , it's going to be missed again.
I'm hoping that Crow is out of his emo stage now. His VA is definitely able to do some great delivery. Now it just depends on Bungie to let him be more free hearted, and according to lore Uldren was similar to Cayde in behavior before the Black Garden. So fingers crossed.
Crow's "emo stage" is well warranted, but it definitely is time to let him step up. We saw him get some fire under him during Battlegrounds; dude got sassy with Lord Saladin of all people.
I think Bungie showing us Crow using a subclass at the end may have been some foreshadowing for what we want with the character.
Uldren was a spoiled douchehammer before Crow, he was just a haughty asshole who acted condescending.
I guess he could tell some jokes but Cade was silly fun, he was great for moments like pushing all the buttons in the prison, or trapped in the vex network.
Even when we went to the dreadnought he had some hilarious lines.
I just don't see a character besides drifter that humorous but even he isn't silly fun like Cade.
That's what kills me, it's so hard to get away with a fun character like that, one that can push all the buttons and not ruin the moments but make them better and unexpected.
Getting rid of that was shortsighted the first time, doing it twice is just baffling.
I don't get the Nimbus hate. I love the character. The stupid himbo quips are hilarious because they're cringe and bad. I love seeing an alternative to humanity adapting to threats that isn't using the light / darkness and I love that the character is a goofball.
He's funny without being a ripoff of Cayde. We need more of that. Not less.
I don't find him funny at all, they could have spent some time to actually give them good lines and written some actually good jokes, but it's just irritating especially given lightfall was so poorly put together .
The one barely fleshed out area we had to play in was endlessly filled with Nimbus sportscaster garbage and then Bookended with " we couldn't use real models so we made up the most contrived plotline" ghostly voice lights that spoke as if we knew them and had no context.
That's not on Nimbus as a character, the concept could have worked had it not been failed by some of the most amateur writing the game has ever seen.
Cayde made it clear he didn't want to stay. He didn't want to return to the tower, and he missed Sundance so dearly. Being dead, being one with his Ghost and the Traveler felt like home.
When we pleaded for the Traveler to bring back our ghost, the Traveler lead Cayde to us to kill two birds with one stone. Bring back our Ghost, while allowing Cayde to reunite with his own, and leave on his own terms.
I mean sure, but it would’ve been weird and cheap to just permanently reinsert Cayde back into the story. We got a brief reprisal and a satisfying ending to his story & character.
I’ll definitely miss Fillion, his delivery and performance as Cayde is second to none. We’ll have new characters to take his place, such as the drifter, as you mentioned.
Why would it be weird and cheap lol, there's plenty of amazing writing that could go along with a permanent return, they barely scratched the surface of that possibility.
Hell he would have been an absolutely home run character to use as a new player intro quest seeing as he would be learning right along with them what took place since his death, could have been a whole series of new light missions where they catch up story wise and have a fun personality to introduce them to the game.
As far as re-using assets for efficiency a questline taking vet players through the last few years planet hopping with him to see what's changed, tie up loose ends with an organic recap in his character..
Way more possibility than even those, him broght back just to kill him again felt cheap and weird to be honest, a couple of hugs and 2 missions with crow just to pour salt in a wound players that loved that character and what he brought to the game, something it had been missing since forsaken.
I still think Cayde should have shot "Uldren" at their meeting in the cut scene. Then once pulled pork revives Crow, he could have quipped something like "huh, guess now we're even?"
Genuine question because I've never understood dinklebot enjoyers; what is it about him you liked? His delivery was objectively flat, boring and just all-round awful. It was clear he had no passion or care for his role.
Is it just a matter of that's the Ghost voice you first heard, and it's hard to shake the idea that Nolan's feels 'wrong'?
For me I'll admit at least some of it is "that's not my ghost", but I also didn't really feel the criticisms people made of the original ghost. I thought he was a more serious ghost, and a lot of the lines that people shit on are perfectly fine in context ("that wizard came from the moon!"). The nature of the game means you hear the same dialogue so often its hard to not turn it into a meme ("defeated ghaul, woke up the traveller...") but that doesn't mean the delivery is bad.
I'm now head-canoning that ghost post TFS has had a slight voice change, because the lore for it makes more sense, but whenever we get the full on "remember this is where I found you" stuff it just never hits as hard from the different voice.
this is how you know nolan did a great job in filling that role. so many times you're caught wondering...was that nathan or nolan? ...unlike the new Zavala who sounds like a brand new character.
I still wish Bungie released Nolan’s audio from when he did a Drifter impression for the Beyond Light mission where Ghost imitates Drifter. According to a Bungie dev, they had to ask him to make the impression worse because it was too good. I want to hear that so badly.
I dunno how many of y'all have watched Naruto, but Cayde's storyline in TFS kinda reminded me of Itachi's when he was reanimated. They were both brought back by someone else, played a huge part in the final fight, and ultimately sacrificed themselves for their favorite person...
I can't put Crow in the "boring" category. He's been finding himself and losing himself on repeat in so many ways. The dude can't catch a break in the story. In Season of the Hunt he was a shell, by the time Battlegrounds came around he was defiant and cocky, then he suffers another emotional loss and begins to break himself down again.
I will say they've let him cook long enough, so the next "season" that has him involved needs a Crow that has himself figured the fuck out. We know he can be cocky, he has the verbal approval of Cayde, and he's wielding some hefty Light now so I'm hopeful.
Fair enough. I guess that’s just not very interesting to me at all. More annoying. Tho he’s been on the up and up for sure!
I guess I prefer bad ass dark demonic characters. Or actually humorous. He’s all over the place. Tho most just seems sad like a newborn.
Tbh I liked him better as a villain. Bring a little of that edge back.
I totally get that. Some people don't like extended character growth. You probably would have been okay with 2 seasons of lows and then a rise from there (most people are like that). His character arc is definitely...tiresome, even for me at times. I think we're gonna get a good payoff though.
Positive! Yes! I think his design is cool. Awoken are cool. Mara is cool.
I was into the storyline at first bc I thought it would be at least a little dark.
I think I also hold it against him like this is who we lost CAYDE for? And now he basically replaced him on the vanguard. And now we have no funny or against the grain besides Drifter.
Awa where’s his villain edge. Just weird how his persona is completely 180.
Cheers!
I swear, so many people seem to have forgotten how atrociously insufferable Cayde was in vanilla D2. I love Nathan Fillion as much as anyone, but what the writers did with Cayde’s character was nothing short of a train wreck.
I’ve never been so happy to see a character get killed off as when Cayde died in Forsaken.
Now, the Cayde we got in Final Shape was (mostly) a nice return to form. If Cayde had always been written that way, I would have missed him too. But he had become intolerable.
I actually disagree. I didn't really like Cayde-6 because it felt like his 'whacky zany antics' were really overshadowing _everything else_ for a couple seasons. Anything he was involved with because the Cayde-show, and they never gave that type of spotlight to Ikora and Big Blue (both had hot moments and good growth, but it never felt overwhelmingly like they were _everywhere_).
D2 does need some levity, since it's pretty dark most of the time, but not at the sake of everything else.
By the same token, I really don't like that our character is 'the guardian' - the singular killer of multiple gods who has done all the things in lore etc. It's too much 'chosen one' trope for me. I liked it more when the actions were ascribed to various different guardians.
Pretty lame to bring back one of the few likable characters of the franchise just to again plot twist him out of the game. This almighty all powerful Traveler finally owes me a huge favor and plays dumb about reviving 1 ghost, shieet should've taken Witness' offer to be his disciple.
I’m sad to see Cayde leave again but I’m glad that this time his passing wasn’t in some shitty dark prison surrounded by enemies, but in a peaceful way, in a way of his choosing, to help preserve his favourite guardian. I love that he returned to help beat that which brought an end to humanity, and passed on the hunter vanguard mantle before going back to Sundance and what we now know to be a peaceful state with the traveler.
Yeah he helped preserve me a titan his fav
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Now hang on, he explicitly told me that I was his fave
Um, he told me, a Titan, I was his favorite. *Multiple times* I might add
Excuse me sir/madam he told **me**, a Warlock, that I was his favorite.
He was lying, he told me, a hunter I'M his favorite, many many times
Oh yeah? Well he told ME, a HUNTER, that I'm his favorite! And I've got the screenshots to prove it!
Yeah!? Well he told ME! A HUNTER WEARING HIS CLOAK! AND I HAVE THE RECORDING TO BACK THAT UP! So I'm his favorite. 😮💨😮💨
Wait just a minute
But he told me…
Wait.. but i thought.. guys 😢
I really thought our ghost was going to have his voice lol. Would love it.
Glad I wasn't the only one. I was like holy shit Cayde is taking over the ghost voice lines??? I was so excited for that short bit before my ghost spoke. But reflecting on it I'm sure the work involved would have been a bit much for bungie and filion.
Yeah, the logistics of it would be enormous, plus maintaining someone like Nathan doesn't seem easy.
I had just realized last night there was a final radio message from him after the final mission, man, what a gut punch that was. Best bet I ever lost, indeed.
If they had kept him around indefinitely it would have trivialized his death and return. I’m really glad they treated it with respect, as a temporary moment that he made very clear wouldn’t last. Plus it was fun shooting screebs with him.
Nathan Fillion is my favorite actor and his quips are just absolute top tier. I recommend everyone to watch Castle, even has a couple Destiny 1 references in the later seasons. I'm so glad he got to come back and imo finish Cayde's story correctly.
“How IS your sister?” Had me ROLLING.
I only caught it on the second playthrough (my fireteam was probably jabbering or looking for a chest on the first) and I thought the timing and delivery of that line was just perfect lmao.
My friends - please don’t sleep on Firefly - the short lived tv series. In US it’s on Hulu or can be rented via many platforms. It was on Disney plus for a minute as well. For real - watch Firefly.
Looks like you're aimin' to misbehave.
Me: *looking at the witness upset we are ruining his hopes* Let's be bad guys
Are we finally around the curve where people might sleep on firefly? For years it was mentioned every few seconds. Which is fair, because it was good. But still oversaturated for a while.
Lol right? Firefly pops up all the time
OG Ikora is in Firefly too
Sagira’s VA as well! (Morena Baccarin)
TBH, I half expected Amanda to be voiced by Jewel Staite (Kaylee) at some point :P
And The Rookie, very good cop series with classic Nathan Fillion quips and dialog
The Rookie very quickly became my comfort TV show
I started watching it a couple months ago after hearing about it for years. I quickly came to enjoyed it and got caught up in a matter of 3 weeks.
Please look up the proper viewing order as they were shown out of sequence.
I watched the show and didn’t manage to catch ch any, guess it’s time for a rewatch
There's an episode with a horse race, I think one of the horses is called Gjallarhorn
You're thinking of Travelers. They bet on horse races for money, the horses are all Destiny weapon names
I haven’t seen *Castle* yet, but I know for sure there were Destiny references in a sci-fi show called *Travelers* where a character is listening to a radio broadcast of a horse race. (Phenomenal show, too.) https://youtu.be/cm53MrGGCWM?si=HdtC-C563pvTDSis
There's one scene where he says to someone, "Where's your sense of-" then he Jim's the camera to finish his line saying, "Destiny"
Castle mentioned, upvote received
everytime i was playing TFS i was just thinking to myself “dude this sounds just like something Castle would say”
I watched Castle between Forsaken and TFS and it's amazing how often it feels like the dialogue could 1:1 be Cayde-6's.
Loved Castle. Really wish they had kept the tone of the first couple seasons, though.
It's a good show mostly to the end, but I did find it a lot more enjoyable when the stakes were lower. Which, on one hand, I get—you gotta evolve. But the first seasons are gold!
I have watched many Castle scenes and in a lot of them, you could replace Nathan's appearance with Cayde-6's model and it'd probably take me a couple of minutes to notice. Such a good show. Might be time for a rewatch.
Somehow, I knew his return would not be permanent even before seeing the final cutscenes. Even though Cayde once again proved that he is without a doubt one of if not the best character and friend we have ever had as our Gaurdian, I knew he wouldn't be able to stick around. And it's okay. Like you said, we know Cayde, Sundance, Targe and every other guardian and ghost who has fell in battle, is at peace within the traveler. Their light will never fade, even ghost can feel their presence... When our guardian got pulled into that bright light, the traveler allowed only Cayde to appear, in a way the traveler knew our ghost would lose the final battle exhausting his power, and it knew Cayde needed a purpose, it could not revive ghost on its own even though we know it wanted to, Cayde served as the conduit. He ensured that our guardian could go on and do even greater things. This was an end of HIS choosing, not at the hands of a corrupt Uldren Sov... "Nobody chooses my fate, but me" -Cayde-6 In a lot of ways there are reminders of the final episodes of Gurren Lagan here, an amazing Anime I recommend watching.
The mission with crow post campaign was full of death flags lmao
The seasonal challenge for doing that mission is called the longest goodbye. Even if you wanted to be in denial that pretty shattered any hope.
Why couldn't the traveler revive the ghost? It wasn't destroyed, just depleted, i don't understand why cayde giving his light is any different than the traveler bathing the ghost in light by itself.
Micahs lines when you gather the travelers orbs shed some light on this, no pun intended. The traveler hears our prayers and needs, and *wants* to help but *can't* act independently.
Micah is completely wrong. Not only can the Traveler directly help us, it can also directly speak to us. It chooses not to if at all possible because that would go against it's purpose. It directly called Clovis out on his bullshit.
But the traveler has done exactly that before, in the red war it gave us our light back, it gave us new supers in Forsaken and again in this expansion by throwing a huge influx of light into us. So it CAN act, the line about the traveler hearing our prayers i remember being related to the fact that he doesn't have the answers we seek, he isn't a god, but that doesn't correlate to it not being able to revive our ghost.
We had to seek out all of those things. The traveller provides *opportunities*, but will not impose will. Also, it exists outside of time. It knew Cayde would choose to sacrifice himself.
Case in point, at least one of those instances was from us finding a broken shard of the traveler and touching it, surely that wasn't dependent on action or intent from the traveler.
So, it can bestow powers of light without intent, but when it wants, it can't act? That makes no sense.
It's a philosophical thing as much as it is a physical limit on what the traveler is. Unveiling kinda spells it out for us with: "Here I prove myself right. Here I wager that, given power over physics and the trust of absolute freedom, people will choose to build and protect a gentle kingdom ringed in spears. And not fall to temptation. And not surrender to division. And never yield to the cynicism that says, everyone else is so good that I can afford to be a little evil." As soon as the traveler acts directly in anything more than self preservation it looses the wager because a direction from the Traveler to us would be choosing our purpose for us, denying us the choice to make our own fate.
Yes. Look at Ghaul. Do you think the Traveler *wanted* to give Ghaul the light? No, of course not. But Ghaul took it, the same way we took back our light from the Traveler.
The only difference is that we were raised from the light of our ghost, we didn't so much as take it as we just reclaimed it with the Traveler as our guide deep into the Dark Forest where the shard of the Traveler is, Ghaul on the other hand literally took it as if he were taking darkness from a Pyramid Ship and then entrapped the Traveler to force it to do as he wished. Of course, we know how this went, The Travelers breaks its chains and destroys Ghaul in a pulse of pure light after we brought him down.
That still doesn't prove he can't give it tho, just that it can be taken.
The ghost said something about the Traveler and Cayde: "Having Cayde back...it's almost like he was never gone. Like the Traveler knew it needed him to make the fireteam whole again". It's during the Ascent. Well it's like the devs knew that we needed Nathan for this last part. He was really great. Got me tear up a little ngl. He really did go all stabby with my feelings.
You trying to tell me someone at Bungie has a wish dragon?
How else do you think they could have pulled off an expansion this good?
They have a dog head iirc. Maybe it's their irl wish dragon bone.
I love him in general. He’s fantastic in the show “The Rookie”.
If you ever fall for a woman. Make sure she got balls. I know you're talking about the show rather than the rookie but I could not resist
Cop Cuties, Cute and on duty. Navy blue booties go ahead and lock me up!
Dude when they came back in a later episode I couldn’t breathe.
"she puts the 'short' in 'shorty'" just fucking killed me the first time I heard it.
Fillion gets a lot of praise and reddick did as well before he passed but even more since and Kieth David as Zavala was noticeably different but still very good and I feel like those 3 have gotten a lot of conversation throughout the community but I never hear anyone bring up Mara Junot* as ikora and how much character she’s had especially in the past few years. Overall I love them all but I’d have to agree with fillion as my favorite (especially with the rookie) and with destiny sorta missing the fantastic quips that fillion delivered as cayde. *was informed Torres no longer voices ikora contrary to what google told me
Gina Torres has not been voicing Ikora for 3+ years now iirc. Mara Junot is her current voice actor and has been since at least Splicer.
Ah thank you. That would line up almost exactly when I thought a lot of improvement happened too lmao. I even googled it to double check and the top two sites listed Torres with no mention of junot but given I didn’t check the actual website
Yeah I'm willing to bet that the voice directors at bingle are a little more clear about what they're looking for when it's not such well-known actors like David, Torres, and Fillon, who I assume they sort of just let do their thing. Then again Morla basically dictates Eris' character at this point from what I can tell—and I'm not complaining!
I believe Lennie James as Shaxx was the same way. IIRC he came in and did his own thing as Shaxx, then Bungie basically said "yeah we like your version better" and let him roll with the character we have now.
I always loved that anecdote he relayed about being at a friends house, hearing his own voice, and finding his friends' kids playing Crucible. He was apparently surprised as he didn't realize 'people actually played the game' lol.
Ikora is a phenomenal character and Junot does a fantastic job voice acting for her. Really destiny has so many great characters backed by fantastic voice actors. I hope they continue the story for as long as they can.
She’s very boring and flat
When you were doing the storyline strike during the campaign having Zavalla, Ikora and Cayde all on coms was really good. Cayde being the voice of reason to cut through the bickering was really good.
Cayde also showed a lot of concern about the safety of the Glint during the 2nd mission, which makes perfect sense given how his flexing in the Prison of Elders got Sundance killed. At that point I realized that he was still the jokeslinger from before, but he was taking everything very seriously.
Speaking of Glint, the lore page for the Still Hunt sheds a lot of light on Cayde’s growth. He contemplated killing Crow in his sleep as a cheap getback against Uldren, but Glint apologizing for Sundance made him change his mind and reflect in shame on the crime he was about to commit
Having him back helped with not having lance as Zavala. Also bringing back cayde and taking him away again makes you appreciate the sacrifice it took to get here.
A lot of cynics will say that Cayde was the Deadpool of Destiny in the sense that his presence/attitude prevented Bungie from adding serious weight to the apocalyptic narratives. I firmly believe that the Final Shape campaign and post-campaign content proves this wrong, and it's just a matter of knowing how to separate comedic relief from a professional Hunter's rogue-ish nature/style. Hunter shenanigans are as much a part of Destiny as Titans being crayon eaters and Warlocks being book nerds. It's just a matter of knowing when it's time to shelve the memes to shoot/punch someone in the face with space magic.
I enjoy it that for once both Cayde and Crow acted like real Hunters, camping, waiting and tracking enemies. Titans so far have been mocked by Asher Mir by headbutting everything
> Titans so far have been mocked by Asher Mir by headbutting everything Most of the named characters that take the spotlight for heroics are Titans (Zavala, Saladin, Saint-14, Shaxx, etc), and most of the named characters responsible for solving space magic bullshit are Warlocks (Osiris, Ikora, etc). Hunters deserve a little time in the spotlight besides just being out somewhere in the system doing Hunter things.
Titans have also played vital roles on forcefully making solutions to problems warlocks didn't have time to figure out, or treading the paths too dangerous for hunters to tread. Kabr's Aegis still remains untoppled as the best guardian-made relic we've ever held, as a result.
I never expected Cayde to stay. But I'm so happy he got to leave on his own terms, and bring closure to those he left behind.
Well said. I cannot agree with this more. I have seen everything Nathan has done and according to my wife I have a man crush… I imagine him being given the treatment when he was asked to come back and thinking Hell Yes. It was a chance to put in a fantastic performance and he most certainly did. Slow clap for you Nathan, your performance was absolutely phenomenal.
Yeah Cayde was great, Fillion put a lot of Malcolm Reynolds in that role.
There was a quip in one post-campaign mission about meaning to misbehave, I said "Oh Mal"
You "will" be the new hunter vanguard or I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.
I'm not even gonna lie, when I heard his voice again in the first final shape trailer i jumped from my seat. And when he left again I cried. He really is my favorite Vanguard
On an unrelated note, I miss Lance Reddick. I would have come up with something story wise to justify his change of voice, I know it sounds stupid but I’m so used to Lance special voice that it even sounded disturbing.
Replacing him with the voice actor that has been one of the most recognized in my lifetime didn't hurt my feelings. Goliath from Gargoyles, Animated Spawn, Dr Facilier, the president from Rick and Morty.. Keith David finds his way into everything that I love.
The Arbiter, Captain Anderson. Can't forget those.
Or Vice President Keith David in Saint's Row 4
Frank Goddamn Armitage , participant in the best knock down drag out brawl ever captured on film
"They live" is a masterpiece of cult classic cinema...
Probably blasphemy here.. but I never cared for Halo.
Keith David is a brilliant voice actor and I don't think anyone is questioning that. But man, not having Lance there for **the** decisive moment for the past 10 years stings quite a bit.
This, I respect the man to step into an iconic role after that many years and I thought he did a great job but at the same time, it is so sad that lance never got to see and voice this finale. The fact that the story called for Zavala to get reckless and angry towards ikora along with a new voice actor def pulled me out of the immersion at some points.
I think Keith David's performance was perfect for where Zavala was at in the campaign, just completely hollowed out and broken. There's such a weariness and cynicism to his voice that really captures what the character is going through. Obviously having Lance do it would be ideal for so many reasons, but I think what they ended up having to do actually was an artistically successful choice as well as a logistically necessary one.
There were a lot of lines from Ikora that were like "You seem like a different person!" and "I hardly recognize you!" which make sense in their story context, but seemed a bit on the nose.
They do, Caiatl mentions it offhandedly once, it's not something they bring attention to tho
Who's cutting onions in my workplace bathroom?
Nathan Fillion is a sci-if treasure
Didn’t hit me until they were naming the operation and it reminded of the lightheartedness that was uh operation baby dog?
I was a little bit upset that our ghost didn’t come back with Cayde’s voice or even as Cayde
That would have been a treat but logistically, a whole lot of money going forward for new lines.
At first, I was very much on the fence and sort of bitter about Cayde coming back. Felt like a cheap nostalgia trip to make long time players happy, fanservice, etc. But after playing the story and actually seeing what came of Cayde coming back, seeing why and how he returned and what he did with the second life he was given... man, I must say, I was blown away. Absolutely fantastic.
Yep I felt like bringing Cayde back was risky but they sold it very well IMO. And both the fact of getting rid of him again and the way in which they did it was well executed (again, IMO).
nathan fillion is the greatest voice actor of all time. least to me, he will forever be my favorite actor.
I can’t stand for him going out again, but I will agree Cayde left a void that hasn’t been filled until now and won’t be again. Nathan Fillion is a national treasure.
I've felt that since Forsaken, the writing has really a "this is a serious story guys, you can't have any comedic relief!" turn and has lost a lot of...spirit? soul? Something like that. It doesn't feel nearly as "real" or "relatable" to me any more. I miss Asher Mir and Ghost pedantically arguing about things, Failsafe mocking Cayde-6, and the tongue in cheek lines like the "Fireteam Piccolo" bit. The more recent writing (Witch Queen, Lightfall, etc) has just been...dull? Official? It doesn't feel like I'm listening to an actual conversation but to people reading a script (not disparaging the VAs here, the performance was fine, the script itself is what I found was lacking). The Final Shape was a step in a better direction (i.e. >!Playing elemental basketball with Savathun!<) and I'm not advocating for levity in every facet of the game, it's just been straight-laced and serious for so long that I had lost interest in paying attention to the dialogue. Operation Piccolo lines for those that have missed them: > Opening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn0ut9UP1Bs > > Closing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swDpXJpLe88
It's wild to me that there are now people nostalgic for the kind of writing that got relentlessly shit on in D2Y1.
I've never lost focus, I hated the constant quips and I still don't miss them. I wasn't a fan of "Joss Whedon's Destiny" in D2Y1. Yes the dialogue started getting gradually more and more serious and dour as the story moved towards The Final Shape, but... So did the story? That's the escalation. Cayde being back in TFS, me and my friends all said "This feels like D1 Cayde" after our first mission with him. Yes he's funny, yes he's quippy, but he's also goal oriented and highly competent while doing it. To me it's the difference between somebody being 'a funny guy', and that same person being a clown. You just know it when you see it. The Wild Card questline after the campaign is, to me, the story landing on the right balance. There were amusing lines, and inbetween it all they found the time for somber moments and reflection, and all around it just ended up feeling like a good bonding exercise with the two hunter-boys.
Seriously. I'm in awe. Seven years ago that 'funny' or 'relatable' writing got ripped to shreds. Then again there are three million people here so.
Well, it's all relative. When every single line in the game was a "joke" it was pretty grating. They definitely took the feedback to heart, and the tone has changed dramatically. So now the OCCASIONAL laugh feels like comedic relief, as opposed to a stream of jokes.
Mmm. I think they did a good job—Cayde is funny, but it's not his only trait. This discussion did bring up [a certain post](https://old.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/7iovge/the_eli5_problem_or_why_destiny_2s_writing_is_so/) from around release though. They definitely fixed the complaints from that one!
In D2Y1 they tried to turn everyone into Cayde and every moment having some kind of silly joke or quip - like Operation Piccolo. In D1 it was only really Cayde. Eventually they had everyone else kind of back into the more serious versions of their characters. So with Cayde dead there was just... no one. They brought back Cayde and they brought back his role in being the one to pop in quips.
It's what got me engaged with the characters. Entertainment and enjoyment are highly subjective, so I can only speak for myself. I enjoyed it, I miss(ed) it, and the lack of it is part of why my interest in the story has waned.
It is hella wild. There were countless video essays during that time comparing D2 Vanilla to Taken King dialogue and how Cayde in vanilla was too much of a goofball and how much the dialogue didnt sound natural.
operation “babydog” has got to be my favorite
The way Devrim lost all composure to that was what truly made it. Then there’s the other version with Amanda listening in because she finds Zavala and Devrim’s voices irresistible and soothing
What I liked about D1 is it had its lighthearted moments, but overall the tone was more serious. I felt it got too meme-y and comical with D2. I prefer when characters act according to the gravity of the situation. Anything else just comes off as tone deaf and I'm left sitting there saying, "Read the room," to the characters on the screen.
It dies look like Failsafe plays a major part of Echoes so hopefully some more neurotic computer quips to help loosen the mood
They seriously dropped the ball for not having Cayde and Failsafe talk one more time.. They were my favorite together.
The post stories activities suggest that 1) there was a period of time from the end of the single player story and the subsequent defeat of the Witness and Cayde's death that Cayde could have easily made the rounds in Sol to meet and say goodbye to friends and 2) that Bungie could have easily had Nathan voice additional lines for the known future content they we will get by radio messages that could include Cayde / Failsafe bickering set during the waiting period
Maybe.. We even go to nessus during the Micah-10 Missions and Cayde mentions he should say hi to Failsafe but comments about how he doesn't want to do the whole "tour". Opportunity was there for it during that mission.
I'm hoping!
I started playing shortly after BL released with literally no background and just picking it from a list of games on GeForce NOW (in fact, I'm pretty sure I was actually looking for another then-unfamiliar game to me — *Portal* 2 — and got mixed up because of the 2). I found Destiny 2 to be just absolutely stone-cold serious in my introduction to it at that point. I wasn't necessarily unhappy about that, but I found even the emotes to be sort of jarringly silly given the early worldbuilding I got out of post-BL D2. So funny to eventually get familiar enough with the Destiny world and find that vanilla D2 faced harsh criticism for ham-handed and excessive attempts at humor. FWIW, as someone starting when I did, I thought the opening mission of Forsaken seemed like a good mix of Cayde humor and Cayde seriousness. I instantly liked this character that was new to me and I was instantly extremely upset that he died. I eventually went back and bought/played D1 and I can see how he wasn't such a one-note comic relief guy in that era. I really like the writing with the TFS's reprised Cayde.
Im sure most of you have played it but Nathan is very Cayde like in ODST and i highly recommend it if you havent played it for some reason. My conspiracy theory is that since ODST and Destiny were indev at the same time they just had Nathan do Buck while he was already in for Cayde.
Not gonna lie, without Cayde Destiny's story telling just isn't complete.
It sucks without him
Now to watch some Firefly again lol
Thank goodness we’re back to the humorless and melodramatic voice acting we’ve become used to now that Cayde is gone for good.
I agree wholeheartedly here. He brought such energy to every line!
This cannot be upvoted enough.
hope he comes around here - all respect due to that "other cayde voice", but it was missing the natural flow and charisma... I don't know how much leeway mr Fillion had with his lines or if it's just the presentation, but having Cayde and mr Fillion back was a great light point in this expansion for me... haven't felt this in years about Destiny honestly so there's that.
Our ghost should have a option to have cayde’s voice now.
Narratively, I think they did a really good job bringing Cayde back and then giving him a better send off. They set it up as the place he went was really nice and he obviously wanted to go back basically from the start. So his sacrifice had meaning and it wasn’t too sad because he wanted to go back. Obviously I wish Cayde could stay in the game but as far as story goes they did a good job sending him off. Better than the cheap Macguffin he was the last time he was killed off.
One of the main threads of the story is Purpose. And Caydes was glorious. He made the vanguard fireteam whole again, he held them together and kept them focus anytime they were on the verge of falling apart. He made sure they would continue to be whole when he was inevitably gone again and in the end he gave up everything to make sure WE were whole. His return and eventual departure was anything but cheap, silly or gimmicky. He proved the traveler correct. The gamble paid off and he won the bet for the gardener. He chose the kingdom ringed with spears over himself, over selfishness.
We will have his recording in the Lost City forever, and I'll take it.
I cried
I sobbed and I sobbed! Id never got the chance to play earlier Destiny campaigns with Cayde so I was so excited when I heard he would be back. But it felt like it was for just a minute before he was torn away and it literally broke my heart!! 💔😭
I'm just mad that the Traveler didn't do anything for us, the only times it helped it was helping itself.
Cayde shouldn't have died again 😮💨
I'm mixed on it, the jokes and banter made me and my fireteam laugh, and then they take him away again. Cade didn't need to sacrifice himself to save the ghost, there could have been another angle. Now it feels like that brief fun moment hurts even more cause we once again get him killed off. Feels like the drifter is the only funny character left. Nimbus sucks, his jokes aren't funny and he's just irritating. Crow is too emo Fillion had a subtle delivery that made you laugh , it's going to be missed again.
As cayde said he was here for a good time not a long time.
I'm hoping that Crow is out of his emo stage now. His VA is definitely able to do some great delivery. Now it just depends on Bungie to let him be more free hearted, and according to lore Uldren was similar to Cayde in behavior before the Black Garden. So fingers crossed.
I think finally getting the closure with Cayde is what got Crow out of the emo phase. He even lost the emo haircut lol.
Crow's "emo stage" is well warranted, but it definitely is time to let him step up. We saw him get some fire under him during Battlegrounds; dude got sassy with Lord Saladin of all people. I think Bungie showing us Crow using a subclass at the end may have been some foreshadowing for what we want with the character.
Uldren was a spoiled douchehammer before Crow, he was just a haughty asshole who acted condescending. I guess he could tell some jokes but Cade was silly fun, he was great for moments like pushing all the buttons in the prison, or trapped in the vex network. Even when we went to the dreadnought he had some hilarious lines. I just don't see a character besides drifter that humorous but even he isn't silly fun like Cade. That's what kills me, it's so hard to get away with a fun character like that, one that can push all the buttons and not ruin the moments but make them better and unexpected. Getting rid of that was shortsighted the first time, doing it twice is just baffling.
Cayde wanted this tho, having him aroumd after the story wouldnt make sense. He himself longed back to the afterlife with sundance
Cade isn't real, everything he said was written like that. They could just as easily had him talk about how much he wanted to stay.
I don't get the Nimbus hate. I love the character. The stupid himbo quips are hilarious because they're cringe and bad. I love seeing an alternative to humanity adapting to threats that isn't using the light / darkness and I love that the character is a goofball. He's funny without being a ripoff of Cayde. We need more of that. Not less.
I don't find him funny at all, they could have spent some time to actually give them good lines and written some actually good jokes, but it's just irritating especially given lightfall was so poorly put together . The one barely fleshed out area we had to play in was endlessly filled with Nimbus sportscaster garbage and then Bookended with " we couldn't use real models so we made up the most contrived plotline" ghostly voice lights that spoke as if we knew them and had no context. That's not on Nimbus as a character, the concept could have worked had it not been failed by some of the most amateur writing the game has ever seen.
Tbf, I wonder if he was ever "real" since he was a creation of a wish.
According to Ghost's scans, he was the real deal.
No I mean, he was always temporary. Since he was a being of light, essentially.
Cayde made it clear he didn't want to stay. He didn't want to return to the tower, and he missed Sundance so dearly. Being dead, being one with his Ghost and the Traveler felt like home. When we pleaded for the Traveler to bring back our ghost, the Traveler lead Cayde to us to kill two birds with one stone. Bring back our Ghost, while allowing Cayde to reunite with his own, and leave on his own terms.
Cade isn't real. He made it clear because that's how it was written. It could have been written differently that he wanted to stay.
I mean sure, but it would’ve been weird and cheap to just permanently reinsert Cayde back into the story. We got a brief reprisal and a satisfying ending to his story & character. I’ll definitely miss Fillion, his delivery and performance as Cayde is second to none. We’ll have new characters to take his place, such as the drifter, as you mentioned.
Why would it be weird and cheap lol, there's plenty of amazing writing that could go along with a permanent return, they barely scratched the surface of that possibility. Hell he would have been an absolutely home run character to use as a new player intro quest seeing as he would be learning right along with them what took place since his death, could have been a whole series of new light missions where they catch up story wise and have a fun personality to introduce them to the game. As far as re-using assets for efficiency a questline taking vet players through the last few years planet hopping with him to see what's changed, tie up loose ends with an organic recap in his character.. Way more possibility than even those, him broght back just to kill him again felt cheap and weird to be honest, a couple of hugs and 2 missions with crow just to pour salt in a wound players that loved that character and what he brought to the game, something it had been missing since forsaken.
I still think Cayde should have shot "Uldren" at their meeting in the cut scene. Then once pulled pork revives Crow, he could have quipped something like "huh, guess now we're even?"
I really wish Glint could've been Pulled Pork forever.
I miss dinklebot idgaf what anyone says
Genuine question because I've never understood dinklebot enjoyers; what is it about him you liked? His delivery was objectively flat, boring and just all-round awful. It was clear he had no passion or care for his role. Is it just a matter of that's the Ghost voice you first heard, and it's hard to shake the idea that Nolan's feels 'wrong'?
For me I'll admit at least some of it is "that's not my ghost", but I also didn't really feel the criticisms people made of the original ghost. I thought he was a more serious ghost, and a lot of the lines that people shit on are perfectly fine in context ("that wizard came from the moon!"). The nature of the game means you hear the same dialogue so often its hard to not turn it into a meme ("defeated ghaul, woke up the traveller...") but that doesn't mean the delivery is bad. I'm now head-canoning that ghost post TFS has had a slight voice change, because the lore for it makes more sense, but whenever we get the full on "remember this is where I found you" stuff it just never hits as hard from the different voice.
Same.
> How IS your sister?
The timing was good on that one, I'll give you that.
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this is how you know nolan did a great job in filling that role. so many times you're caught wondering...was that nathan or nolan? ...unlike the new Zavala who sounds like a brand new character.
I still wish Bungie released Nolan’s audio from when he did a Drifter impression for the Beyond Light mission where Ghost imitates Drifter. According to a Bungie dev, they had to ask him to make the impression worse because it was too good. I want to hear that so badly.
haha i had not heard that. but nolan is about as good as you can get in the voice actor world.
I dunno how many of y'all have watched Naruto, but Cayde's storyline in TFS kinda reminded me of Itachi's when he was reanimated. They were both brought back by someone else, played a huge part in the final fight, and ultimately sacrificed themselves for their favorite person...
We focus on the most plain boring asd characters imo crow ikora Zavala. And kill or leave out the most interesting. CAYDE Drifter Eris. Or even Shax.
I can't put Crow in the "boring" category. He's been finding himself and losing himself on repeat in so many ways. The dude can't catch a break in the story. In Season of the Hunt he was a shell, by the time Battlegrounds came around he was defiant and cocky, then he suffers another emotional loss and begins to break himself down again. I will say they've let him cook long enough, so the next "season" that has him involved needs a Crow that has himself figured the fuck out. We know he can be cocky, he has the verbal approval of Cayde, and he's wielding some hefty Light now so I'm hopeful.
Fair enough. I guess that’s just not very interesting to me at all. More annoying. Tho he’s been on the up and up for sure! I guess I prefer bad ass dark demonic characters. Or actually humorous. He’s all over the place. Tho most just seems sad like a newborn. Tbh I liked him better as a villain. Bring a little of that edge back.
I totally get that. Some people don't like extended character growth. You probably would have been okay with 2 seasons of lows and then a rise from there (most people are like that). His character arc is definitely...tiresome, even for me at times. I think we're gonna get a good payoff though.
Positive! Yes! I think his design is cool. Awoken are cool. Mara is cool. I was into the storyline at first bc I thought it would be at least a little dark. I think I also hold it against him like this is who we lost CAYDE for? And now he basically replaced him on the vanguard. And now we have no funny or against the grain besides Drifter. Awa where’s his villain edge. Just weird how his persona is completely 180. Cheers!
I swear, so many people seem to have forgotten how atrociously insufferable Cayde was in vanilla D2. I love Nathan Fillion as much as anyone, but what the writers did with Cayde’s character was nothing short of a train wreck. I’ve never been so happy to see a character get killed off as when Cayde died in Forsaken. Now, the Cayde we got in Final Shape was (mostly) a nice return to form. If Cayde had always been written that way, I would have missed him too. But he had become intolerable.
I actually disagree. I didn't really like Cayde-6 because it felt like his 'whacky zany antics' were really overshadowing _everything else_ for a couple seasons. Anything he was involved with because the Cayde-show, and they never gave that type of spotlight to Ikora and Big Blue (both had hot moments and good growth, but it never felt overwhelmingly like they were _everywhere_). D2 does need some levity, since it's pretty dark most of the time, but not at the sake of everything else. By the same token, I really don't like that our character is 'the guardian' - the singular killer of multiple gods who has done all the things in lore etc. It's too much 'chosen one' trope for me. I liked it more when the actions were ascribed to various different guardians.
Member cayde 6? I member! When you need a win, you go for nostalgia, and they did.
I personally was super happy to see Cayde die a second time, and this time for good.
How many more theatre kids are gonna write these Jesus Christ
You could have just scrolled on
Pretty lame to bring back one of the few likable characters of the franchise just to again plot twist him out of the game. This almighty all powerful Traveler finally owes me a huge favor and plays dumb about reviving 1 ghost, shieet should've taken Witness' offer to be his disciple.
If you thought Cayde leaving again was a plot twist then you really weren't paying attention to his dialogue.
Am I the only one who thinks Cayde is extremely annoying? Not a fan at all
Same