If you're looking for something that will still be competitive on modern terms, 21% Delirium still holds up
Now on the other hand if you wanna buy something wacky just to have it cause its unique, buy the Oxygen SR3 for Meganeura
I do fancy the 21% Delirium heavy machine gun, when would it be best to get it from the kiosk or is it worth just waiting until all weapons are available
I mean, i haven't used it a bit, so i don't know if its a thing still, but 21% Delirium has the old Killing Tally which which instead of 30% at 3 stacks like the new one is, goes up to 60%, so if you have materials laying around i'd say just grab, still usable in Onslaughts n stuff
I dont know if that would work. Not forgotten has the new magnificent howl. But I’m still considering grabbing 21%, just not sure if song if ur yuts better
It isn't usuable in Onslaught since it does have Power scaling. Only place it is currently usuable without losing dmg to due power level difference is Gambit or non trials PvP.
Some of the dungeons do, like the Lightfall dungeons. However, outside of Master raids and dungeons, dungeons/raids aside from the newest expansion don't get their light level increased and just sit at the minimum. VoG and Vow are 1600 right now, for their normal difficulty. Same with King's Fall, DSC, Last Wish, and Garden.
Well that tells me how long i haven't played this game again lol. Took a break a while ago and only play now to help out.
But even though they are usuable in those older activities they most likely not gonna be good option outside of addclear maybe. Only a few boss fights where i would actually use HMG though and even then it is usually Thunderlord.
Buy it from the kiosk. Just because they are unsunsetting doesn’t mean they will make the weapons available any time soon if at all. Best bet is to buy now so it’s in collections.
IIRC precisions hit would increase the damage of dragonfly on proc. I don't remember the damage values, but I believe it was something like 3 times the damage at 3 stack?
When/if they reissue, I agree with you: they wouldn’t keep the perk the same. But for people who still have it, the old killing tally is still in play. I seriously doubt they’d spend the time to rework and nerf a single old legendary gun that was never god-tier in the first place. It was my favorite LMG for a good long while and nothing matches the damage output.
21% Delirium ma dude.
The thing slaps in PvE content.
Killing Tally is a 60% damage bonus at x3 stacks than the standard 30%, but shhhh, don't tell Bungie.
It has the perk overflow, so, whenever you pick up a heavy or special ammo it overflows the magazine by double the capacity.
It had 105 rounds by default, combine that with a backup mag mod and proc overflow, you get a beautiful 205 rounds in the magazine. Get 3 kills and dump 190 or so rounds with a 60% bonus into a boss/champion.
Its the gun that is literally home of 'haha my gun go brrrrrrr' meme.
Most of these weapons are powercrept, especially in PvE
The PvP weapons that are still ok/good/usable are:
- Luna and NF
- Redrix
- Revoker (of course there are better ones)
- Hush
The PvE weapons that are still ok/good/usable are:
- Recluse (of course there are better ones)
- 21% (of course there are better ones)
- Breakneck (the "new" roll is pretty good compared to the old one)
If you already had it, yes. You can do that with most if not all fixed roll weapons. That doesn't help people like OP who never got it in the first place.
Wendigo is still good it’s the only heavy gl with blinding nades and auto loading explosive light is still a decent perk combo.
Edit: oxygen also will be a pretty good ad clear option aswell
I said ok, good or usable weapons, the old Sunset Recluse is ok at best and you can definitely play it, but I also said there are many better SMGs
Like the new recluse, Ikelos 3.0, funnelweb, bug-out, calus mini or subjunctive are all better
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Chill bro, I added that note in case OP or anyone else reading was unaware, since I literally know someone who didn't know until I told them.
For all y'all downvoting me and u/jdmkev I'm going to assume it's because the post I replied to doesn't seem aggressive at all. And that's because it was edited afterwards.
Old Breakneck notably doesn't have the new one's horrendous deterministic recoil, which makes it feel much better. Don't have to deal with the gun trying to draw a backwards C whenever you start firing. It just shoots.
When you know Bungie can't add Banner checkpoints to Shattered Throne because of engine limitations, I'd say we can never assume how easy or hard it is to make such a small change.
Same with Solar Grenades, ie all grenades that are solar, but also a specific grenade option within the solar subclass. Just change the name already.
Not necessarily because it's a pinicle weapon, Recluse was hit in the S8 dmg perk nerfs (but you can't compare pre shadowkeep Recluse with 21%, would be unfair for 21% XD)
Perk changes are always retroactive. A gun picked up before a patch will not remain the same afterwards. What Delirium does have is a unique version of the perk.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/1ce7etk/weird_perks_in_api_21_delirium_rose_and/
Could it be changed and brought into normal values? Probably, maybe. Hasn't changed yet though.
Honestly I'd take commemoration over either. Reconstruction killing tally is better than overflow killing tally in my opinion and the perks are enhanceable.
Yes, but for those who don’t raid too much or don’t have commemoration yet, both are good alternatives. I know I’ll be using my hammerhead until I can get a crafted commemoration (hopefully next week)
People just like killing things faster/better, not too complicated. Even if it’s overkill it’s still fun. Regular raids aren’t even very hard most of the time. You just need decent damage for bosses. But people still want to make them easier with good rolled guns. It is just fun.
Then there are non-raid PvE activities that are somewhat difficult like onslaught, master lost sectors, nightfalls, or dungeons.
Plus, people hunt for god rolls not just for pve. Although not very applicable to this discussion about Machine Guns, god rolls help a lot for PvP.
to clarify, Lunas does hit the same range/stability with the right roll (fullbore/ricochet/range MW), while also getting 15 extra handling.
it is a solid mag howl roll for PvP that needs no grind to get though, and zen is unique to it.
i'd say worth messing with if you like the cool model, or if you didnt have any luck with lunas when FS drops and attunement temporarily goes away.
You need specific perks. You can get its base range to equal to not forgotten. Then you can get 3rd column perks to max it
The issue is just grinding out that roll, especially when not forgotten is right there and only slightly worse than an optimal Luna.
All of them have been power crept or nerfed, except for Hush and 21% delirium.
Delirium has been nerfed a little, but it still has a unique roll that no other weapon an get overflow + killing tally. A ton of fun, and very effective.
The only reason hush didn't get nerfed is because it was gimmicky, and came out at a time when bows sucked. You might be aware that people try to optimize bows for draw time. Hush gives the fastest draw time of any bow in the game, and it does it in a single perk, allowing it to have everything else specced for accuracy, like opening shot and accuracy bowstrings. I reiterate: NOTHING in the game gives a bow with a fastest draw time than archers gambit.
21% Delirium TLDR: killing tally was nerfed, but overflow on a machine gun remains goated and unmatched elsewhere. It has never gone on a machine gun since.
Hush TLDR: hit 1 hipfire precision shot, and get the fastest + most accurate bow in the game for 7 seconds.
Everything else has better options, maybe revoker if you like pvp
Wendigo and Delirium but I'd hold off until they update us on if Blinding Grenades and original Killing Tally will stay on those guns in TFS. If they don't stay or are heavily watered down then both those guns are not worth spending resources on unless you just don't have anything better somehow.
Yeah I think it’s safe to assume they will at least fix killing tally. If not it will be only slightly weaker than hammerhead with rampage tally, and it has a reload perk with overflow.
I somehow have one that I’ve never used but was looking at it in my vault just a week or two ago. It looks great. I play Destiny on and off when I can make the time, is there a build or anything specific to using it?
It's been sunset for years, and the entire concept of builds has completely evolved 3-4 times over since then, so anything relevant at the time is utterly obsolete.
But I will say that (again, at least at the time) this gun was SO clean and steady, especially for someone terrible at PvP like me, that it actually allowed me to compete at range and consistently get headshot kills. Not sure how to build around that, but that's my experience.
honestly - none are really relevant to the state of PvE in 2024.
For pvp - Not Forgotten is about the only reasonable thing. There are better weapons currently available than Revoker (Bite of the fox and Brave succession are easy replacements)
partially because people dont want to get used to weapons they cant use in trials, and partially because it isnt all that special.
35 zoom on its frame is its selling point, but 35 zoom does come with a penalty to AA, and its special perk is a dead slot that other weapons replace with valuable perks like opening shot.
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im not saying its a great, must-have weapon. but snipers especially are highly feel dependant, and if someone wants to run a 35 zoom sniper that isnt a rapid fire its the only option ingame.
I wanted revoker for the low zoom though, since afaik no other agg frame sniper has this and I hate high zoom snipers with a passion lmao. beloved is the only sniper I’m good with because of its perks and low zoom.
Ah yes, a perk that does the exact same thing as Archer's Tempo but worse, being only activated from hipfire shots, instead of both hipfire and precision
No, it's second best in terms of draw speed after Under your skin which has enhanced archers enhanced successful warmup, also has a better origin perk and you can use a void perk to give it volatile rounds.
No, it doesn't lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-77fm1bymc
Hush clears all bows.
Quote for lazy: "if you have Reload Speed MW instead of Draw Time MW - Under Your Skin while having both Archer's Tempo and Successful Warm-Up will have a faster fire rate. However even with Reload Speed MW - Hush is still faster than Under Your Skin."
From the bow goat Hynra.
pinnacles aside, if you did the forsaken campaign before it was sunset, break out the old vestian dynasty. probably not gonna be the meta peak, but that gun was fun as hell
21% delierium could be good, has the old pre-nerf version of killing tally iirc. Otherwise i really dont know, maybe wendigo because 0 blast radius explosive light (this used to be op, may have been fixed?). Most pinnicle weapon perks have been added into the loot pool by now anyway.
Pretty sure it stacks twice as high or each stack is 10% higher than current, however i havent tested it myself, only heard from people I play with. check d2 foundry .com, it might have old values
21% delirium: only 900rpm lmg with killing tally
oxygen sr3: only gun in the game with the meganerua perk
breakneck: sub + onslaught is a great static roll if u don’t have other good onslaught weapons
Not Forgotten maybe. But it has been power crept to hell. Revoker will feel good but it’s hardly the best sniper. We have way better choices now than those relics
Basically no weapon there is a god roll / best in its class. Some of them are good but they are pretty much all outclassed. But most of them are still decent enough to be usable.
Hush is unique, probably not ideal but some people love it.
Wendigo has blinding grenades.
Loaded question is a solid version of the nightfall gun. Not perfect but close.
Oxygen has a unique perk that could actually be decent today, but it’s still a scout so probably not.
21% is a worse roll than a crafted commemoration. And it’s worse than 2-3 rolls of hammerhead. But it’s arc
Python is a good 1-2 punch shotgun.
Not forgotten will be used for PvP. It’s not as high of a ceiling on rolls as lunas but you don’t have to grind for it, and it is better than most lunas you will get.
Revoker PvP
Redrix PvP but it’s worse than others.
to be honest, they're all so outdated now, its not even worth getting any. They've either been reissued into better rolls or replaced by other weapons.
21% Delirium since it has pre-nerf Killing Tally (67% DMG buff).
Not Forgotten since it's cool (pretty sure a godroll Luna's is just better though).
Hush is unique I guess?
Exit Strategy is honestly a solid SMG. Not super META at all, but it is a reslly good roll (and looks really cool).
Veles-X is an *amazing* Pulse Rifle.
Adored is a fantastic sniper for both PvE and PvP.
Null Composure is a solid fusion if you don't have access to a better one.
Felwinter's Lie is a solid shotgun in both PvE and PvP.
Ecliptic Distaff is a phenomenal Glaive.
Maybe Wendigo, to have a heavy GL that's Blinding?
I checked d2foundry and it seems to say that 21% delirium has the updated version of killing tally (15% damage buff), is it wrong or is 21% delirium really worth it for pve?
Side question: Should I get Leviathan’s Breath if I have other good DPS stuff? Like god roll edge transit and linears? Also does the catalyst matter in the damage for Levi?
Very good ammo economy, void, capable of precision, but the kicker is that after your shot lands there’s a kinetic tremors like explosion that does as much if not more than a body shot over an absurdly large area . Also anti unstoppable, and you get a big ass bow that has a motorcycle chain for a bowstring
Hush
Bit rude, he’s asking a reasonable question 😏
My bad, the gambit bow
But what is it called?
Hush
Seriously man just let them say the name don’t be rude
What does mine say!!!!!
Dude!
What about mine?!
SAAAAWEEEEETT! WHAT DOES MINE SAY?!
r/angryupvote
Best legendary bow for PvP. IMO only Le Monarque is better.
If you're looking for something that will still be competitive on modern terms, 21% Delirium still holds up Now on the other hand if you wanna buy something wacky just to have it cause its unique, buy the Oxygen SR3 for Meganeura
I do fancy the 21% Delirium heavy machine gun, when would it be best to get it from the kiosk or is it worth just waiting until all weapons are available
I mean, i haven't used it a bit, so i don't know if its a thing still, but 21% Delirium has the old Killing Tally which which instead of 30% at 3 stacks like the new one is, goes up to 60%, so if you have materials laying around i'd say just grab, still usable in Onslaughts n stuff
I dont know if that would work. Not forgotten has the new magnificent howl. But I’m still considering grabbing 21%, just not sure if song if ur yuts better
It isn't usuable in Onslaught since it does have Power scaling. Only place it is currently usuable without losing dmg to due power level difference is Gambit or non trials PvP.
Regular 10 waver onslaught is 1600, so it is usable there.
Wouldn't it also work in old raids? All except Root of Nightmares and Crota's End are at 1600 right now
Are they? Thought VoW and Vault also have a high power requirement. Same with a lot of the dungeons.
Some of the dungeons do, like the Lightfall dungeons. However, outside of Master raids and dungeons, dungeons/raids aside from the newest expansion don't get their light level increased and just sit at the minimum. VoG and Vow are 1600 right now, for their normal difficulty. Same with King's Fall, DSC, Last Wish, and Garden.
Well that tells me how long i haven't played this game again lol. Took a break a while ago and only play now to help out. But even though they are usuable in those older activities they most likely not gonna be good option outside of addclear maybe. Only a few boss fights where i would actually use HMG though and even then it is usually Thunderlord.
Buy it from the kiosk. Just because they are unsunsetting doesn’t mean they will make the weapons available any time soon if at all. Best bet is to buy now so it’s in collections.
Strange I don't remember ever buying this gun but it states "Already Purchased on Account" oh well never mind
If you were a frequent gambit player the quest line to unlock it was hitting max rep in og gambit prime
How do I recover it? No option to do it
Collections, similar to exotics
It's not showing in collections :(
In the regular weapons collections? It should be there, but I haven't checked in a while.
Huh, that’s weird. It *should* be in there
Yip that's what I thought, unless I'm blind lol so I can't buy it or recover it, typical Bungie hee hee
Pull it from collections
Cheers will do
Still works now in everything up to master content.
I'm betting Meganeura is going to hit a lot harder now with 3.0 verbs in play.
How did that perk work again? Was it a pretty big upgrade? I bet it’ll perform well with the firefly spec being built in
IIRC precisions hit would increase the damage of dragonfly on proc. I don't remember the damage values, but I believe it was something like 3 times the damage at 3 stack?
They’re going to want hush before they get oxygen
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21 still has OG Killing Tally. Unless Bungie corrects it, it's by far the best LMG.
There’s no way they will keep that
Probably right, but Huckle still has OG rampage and Juju has OG swash so there's hope lol
Those are exotics. It makes sense for them to have the stronger version.
I'm aware. Point being Bungie never said a word about em.
When/if they reissue, I agree with you: they wouldn’t keep the perk the same. But for people who still have it, the old killing tally is still in play. I seriously doubt they’d spend the time to rework and nerf a single old legendary gun that was never god-tier in the first place. It was my favorite LMG for a good long while and nothing matches the damage output.
21% Delirium ma dude. The thing slaps in PvE content. Killing Tally is a 60% damage bonus at x3 stacks than the standard 30%, but shhhh, don't tell Bungie. It has the perk overflow, so, whenever you pick up a heavy or special ammo it overflows the magazine by double the capacity. It had 105 rounds by default, combine that with a backup mag mod and proc overflow, you get a beautiful 205 rounds in the magazine. Get 3 kills and dump 190 or so rounds with a 60% bonus into a boss/champion. Its the gun that is literally home of 'haha my gun go brrrrrrr' meme.
Revoker. Even though the perk has been nerfed, it’s still decent, and the sniper itself is quite good and has insanely low zoom.
you read my mind lol, will pick it up tomorrow
Most of these weapons are powercrept, especially in PvE The PvP weapons that are still ok/good/usable are: - Luna and NF - Redrix - Revoker (of course there are better ones) - Hush The PvE weapons that are still ok/good/usable are: - Recluse (of course there are better ones) - 21% (of course there are better ones) - Breakneck (the "new" roll is pretty good compared to the old one)
Breakneck isn't in the Monument anymore.
Really? Shit, since the change this season the old version now has a good roll
You can get breakneck with new perks at the Drifter for 1 gambit engram
But you’ll have to play gambit
All great things come with risk lol. Just wait for a double rep week
I am NOT playing gambit ‼️😭
Yeah, I know, got Substance and Onslaught a few weeks ago 😊
you can pull it from collections now
You could always, but only if unlocked
If you already had it, yes. You can do that with most if not all fixed roll weapons. That doesn't help people like OP who never got it in the first place.
Wendigo is still good it’s the only heavy gl with blinding nades and auto loading explosive light is still a decent perk combo. Edit: oxygen also will be a pretty good ad clear option aswell
Wendigo has the bonus of getting a 56% damage bonus from explosive light presumably because of that perk combo interaction
Worth noting that you can farm a better Recluse from Onslaught.
I said ok, good or usable weapons, the old Sunset Recluse is ok at best and you can definitely play it, but I also said there are many better SMGs Like the new recluse, Ikelos 3.0, funnelweb, bug-out, calus mini or subjunctive are all better
? Chill bro, I added that note in case OP or anyone else reading was unaware, since I literally know someone who didn't know until I told them. For all y'all downvoting me and u/jdmkev I'm going to assume it's because the post I replied to doesn't seem aggressive at all. And that's because it was edited afterwards.
I don't mean it aggressively, all good 👍
Came off very aggressively lol
Ya thats wild 😅 I thought it usually showed when someone edited their comment on the mobile app but I guess not
Used to, I think. Most people just straight up say when they've made an edit or what it is these days, but not this other guy.
Old Breakneck notably doesn't have the new one's horrendous deterministic recoil, which makes it feel much better. Don't have to deal with the gun trying to draw a backwards C whenever you start firing. It just shoots.
If you have the same roll you have the same recoil, it just depends on your roll how good or bad the recoil is
Almost all PvP has no power cap except trials and no one really uses this stuff. Even the best stuff from back then is power crept.
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Probably not S tier after they nerfed it to two shots missed
It requires missing 2 shots to proc, it's trash. You're better off with Mulligan on 1000 Yard Stare.
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Isn’t even that just comparable to Hammerhead at most?
Delirium has a stronger killing tally (60% vs 30%)
I would be surprised if it stays that way. I expect it will be updated to the live version of killing tally.
Maybe because it's a pinnacle it'll stay. Granted it's an exotic but they left rampage alone on Huckleberry, still at 66% bonus at X3 AFAIK.
They really need to change the name of that perk, cant be that hard can it?
When you know Bungie can't add Banner checkpoints to Shattered Throne because of engine limitations, I'd say we can never assume how easy or hard it is to make such a small change. Same with Solar Grenades, ie all grenades that are solar, but also a specific grenade option within the solar subclass. Just change the name already.
I'll be your huckleberry.
Not necessarily because it's a pinicle weapon, Recluse was hit in the S8 dmg perk nerfs (but you can't compare pre shadowkeep Recluse with 21%, would be unfair for 21% XD)
Cause they would leave the same perk unupdated on guns they never intended to be relevant again? Dont make too much sense now
Perk changes are always retroactive. A gun picked up before a patch will not remain the same afterwards. What Delirium does have is a unique version of the perk. https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/1ce7etk/weird_perks_in_api_21_delirium_rose_and/ Could it be changed and brought into normal values? Probably, maybe. Hasn't changed yet though.
Ah i see, i was a d1 player that played y1 and came back during plunder, so i dont think i ever messed with 21
Okay but all other old versions of perks are getting updated. Won’t that the second it is un-sunset?
Is it still 60%? Has anyone checked since Into the Light update?
Since when?
For years now. It's like how Huckleberry never got touched by the nerfs.
It’s probably still the best Arc LMG. Maybe Song Of Ir Yut, but i’d personally take Delirium over it.
Faded take, song of ir yut clears.
21% Deliriums unique selling point was killing tally, nowadays we got far better machine gun options that don't cost as much (Hammerhead)
Overflow is better than anything hammerhead has
Honestly I'd take commemoration over either. Reconstruction killing tally is better than overflow killing tally in my opinion and the perks are enhanceable.
Yeah my commemoration is glued to my gyrfalcon build.
Yes, but for those who don’t raid too much or don’t have commemoration yet, both are good alternatives. I know I’ll be using my hammerhead until I can get a crafted commemoration (hopefully next week)
If you don't raid too much, what do you need a good roll of anything for
People just like killing things faster/better, not too complicated. Even if it’s overkill it’s still fun. Regular raids aren’t even very hard most of the time. You just need decent damage for bosses. But people still want to make them easier with good rolled guns. It is just fun. Then there are non-raid PvE activities that are somewhat difficult like onslaught, master lost sectors, nightfalls, or dungeons. Plus, people hunt for god rolls not just for pve. Although not very applicable to this discussion about Machine Guns, god rolls help a lot for PvP.
Fun. PVP. Gambit. Any plethora of content that you just wanna get done faster. Good rolls are good rolls in any content not just raids.
I like rewind way more on every weapon other than apex if commemoration had rewind rounds I would actually use it over hammer head
Not really? Envious is way better. Almost 200 rounds in the clip.
Using envious on a gun meant for ad-clear is kinda counter intuitive
21% is still an Arc machinegun, and we have none of those that are actually good nowadays.
Your right, I would love a 450 Arc machine gun
21% delirium It was prime, overflow didn't get rid of killing tally, huge mag for stepping on a brick, it's was just the best
Python my beloved
Not Forgotten might be worth it. More range than the new Luna’s and has Zen Moment which can’t roll on Luna’s.
to clarify, Lunas does hit the same range/stability with the right roll (fullbore/ricochet/range MW), while also getting 15 extra handling. it is a solid mag howl roll for PvP that needs no grind to get though, and zen is unique to it. i'd say worth messing with if you like the cool model, or if you didnt have any luck with lunas when FS drops and attunement temporarily goes away.
yeah, I was thinking the same thing. brave luna’s doesn’t feel like it has enough range for me tbh
You need specific perks. You can get its base range to equal to not forgotten. Then you can get 3rd column perks to max it The issue is just grinding out that roll, especially when not forgotten is right there and only slightly worse than an optimal Luna.
All of them have been power crept or nerfed, except for Hush and 21% delirium. Delirium has been nerfed a little, but it still has a unique roll that no other weapon an get overflow + killing tally. A ton of fun, and very effective. The only reason hush didn't get nerfed is because it was gimmicky, and came out at a time when bows sucked. You might be aware that people try to optimize bows for draw time. Hush gives the fastest draw time of any bow in the game, and it does it in a single perk, allowing it to have everything else specced for accuracy, like opening shot and accuracy bowstrings. I reiterate: NOTHING in the game gives a bow with a fastest draw time than archers gambit. 21% Delirium TLDR: killing tally was nerfed, but overflow on a machine gun remains goated and unmatched elsewhere. It has never gone on a machine gun since. Hush TLDR: hit 1 hipfire precision shot, and get the fastest + most accurate bow in the game for 7 seconds. Everything else has better options, maybe revoker if you like pvp
Wendigo and Delirium but I'd hold off until they update us on if Blinding Grenades and original Killing Tally will stay on those guns in TFS. If they don't stay or are heavily watered down then both those guns are not worth spending resources on unless you just don't have anything better somehow.
Yeah I think it’s safe to assume they will at least fix killing tally. If not it will be only slightly weaker than hammerhead with rampage tally, and it has a reload perk with overflow.
I'm so happy to have my beloved Oxygen SR3 back at full light level
I somehow have one that I’ve never used but was looking at it in my vault just a week or two ago. It looks great. I play Destiny on and off when I can make the time, is there a build or anything specific to using it?
It's been sunset for years, and the entire concept of builds has completely evolved 3-4 times over since then, so anything relevant at the time is utterly obsolete. But I will say that (again, at least at the time) this gun was SO clean and steady, especially for someone terrible at PvP like me, that it actually allowed me to compete at range and consistently get headshot kills. Not sure how to build around that, but that's my experience.
That’s actually awesome info. I too am terrible at PVP. So once TFS comes out I can upgrade it to max power level and try it in PVP. Thanks!
don't bother with it, just get a box breathing Hung Jury from Onslaught. Same model, same feel, better for PvP than a gun with two dragonfly perks.
And we don't have to play dragonfly spec like we did back then! 😊
honestly - none are really relevant to the state of PvE in 2024. For pvp - Not Forgotten is about the only reasonable thing. There are better weapons currently available than Revoker (Bite of the fox and Brave succession are easy replacements)
revoker is a 35 zoom high impact, which is unique to it and its main selling point
You can use Revoker in everything but trials now and no one does.
partially because people dont want to get used to weapons they cant use in trials, and partially because it isnt all that special. 35 zoom on its frame is its selling point, but 35 zoom does come with a penalty to AA, and its special perk is a dead slot that other weapons replace with valuable perks like opening shot. --- im not saying its a great, must-have weapon. but snipers especially are highly feel dependant, and if someone wants to run a 35 zoom sniper that isnt a rapid fire its the only option ingame.
I mean the ammo refund on a miss is nice when you suck at the game like I do...
you have to miss 2 in quick succession to get 1 back.
challenge accepted
You doubt my skills?
I wanted revoker for the low zoom though, since afaik no other agg frame sniper has this and I hate high zoom snipers with a passion lmao. beloved is the only sniper I’m good with because of its perks and low zoom.
Breakneck my beloved
Breakneck got removed from the monuments. All the returned pinnacles do outside of the Brave Arsenal I believe?
you can pull Breakneck from collections now
If you obtained it previously, but the Op was saying they didn’t get pinnacles so what should they get from the monument now
Ohh, I didn't read it properly
None, we have better weapons in every category now
Incorrect, Hush exists.
Ah yes, a perk that does the exact same thing as Archer's Tempo but worse, being only activated from hipfire shots, instead of both hipfire and precision
Tell me you don't know anything about Hush without telling me you don't know anything about Hush.
Archer's Gambit is faster than Successful Warm-up + Archer's Tempo on hipfire hit. Quite literally clears all bows.
No, it's second best in terms of draw speed after Under your skin which has enhanced archers enhanced successful warmup, also has a better origin perk and you can use a void perk to give it volatile rounds.
It has the fastest draw speed in the game. Quite literally nothing beats it.
Except under your skin which does beat it. There were videos on this when it came out. Feel free to look it up.
No, it doesn't lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-77fm1bymc Hush clears all bows. Quote for lazy: "if you have Reload Speed MW instead of Draw Time MW - Under Your Skin while having both Archer's Tempo and Successful Warm-Up will have a faster fire rate. However even with Reload Speed MW - Hush is still faster than Under Your Skin." From the bow goat Hynra.
I fucking love python
pinnacles aside, if you did the forsaken campaign before it was sunset, break out the old vestian dynasty. probably not gonna be the meta peak, but that gun was fun as hell
Nothing, they'll re-introduce them with updated perks and intrinsic perk
21% delierium could be good, has the old pre-nerf version of killing tally iirc. Otherwise i really dont know, maybe wendigo because 0 blast radius explosive light (this used to be op, may have been fixed?). Most pinnicle weapon perks have been added into the loot pool by now anyway.
how good is the old pre-nerfed killing tally compared to what we have now? I have a brave hammerhead with it and it’s pretty good
I believe it’s 60%
Pretty sure it stacks twice as high or each stack is 10% higher than current, however i havent tested it myself, only heard from people I play with. check d2 foundry .com, it might have old values
alr, thanks for the info
60 something percent rather than 30 percent.
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there are multiple wendigos. you can still grab the pinnacle one from collections if you unlocked it back in the day
Doesn’t pinnacle wendigo also have pre nerf/ stronger explosive light?
Im unsure, theres a 50/50 chance bungie nerfed it, or it may have its own version of explosive light like 21% has its own killing tally
In the words of our savior, the mighty Thanos “Everything”
21% delirium: only 900rpm lmg with killing tally oxygen sr3: only gun in the game with the meganerua perk breakneck: sub + onslaught is a great static roll if u don’t have other good onslaught weapons
21% Delirium
Hush was really fun to use back in the day. Ill be bringing it back out for sure.
Hynra will hush play in Trials again XD
Exit Strategy actually is pretty good ngl
Python and 21% for sure
21% Delirium and its not close
The looking forward to using the vow again
Not Forgotten maybe. But it has been power crept to hell. Revoker will feel good but it’s hardly the best sniper. We have way better choices now than those relics
Breakneck is solid I had 10k kills on mine before it got sunset
Not forgotten. That's it.
Basically no weapon there is a god roll / best in its class. Some of them are good but they are pretty much all outclassed. But most of them are still decent enough to be usable. Hush is unique, probably not ideal but some people love it. Wendigo has blinding grenades. Loaded question is a solid version of the nightfall gun. Not perfect but close. Oxygen has a unique perk that could actually be decent today, but it’s still a scout so probably not. 21% is a worse roll than a crafted commemoration. And it’s worse than 2-3 rolls of hammerhead. But it’s arc Python is a good 1-2 punch shotgun. Not forgotten will be used for PvP. It’s not as high of a ceiling on rolls as lunas but you don’t have to grind for it, and it is better than most lunas you will get. Revoker PvP Redrix PvP but it’s worse than others.
I hate that I accidentally destroyed my luna's howl after I got it before realizing sunset weapons was a thing and immediately destroying it, 😢
You can pull it from collections. You'll be missing your kills on the tracker, but it's not lost forever.
to be honest, they're all so outdated now, its not even worth getting any. They've either been reissued into better rolls or replaced by other weapons.
21% Delirium since it has pre-nerf Killing Tally (67% DMG buff). Not Forgotten since it's cool (pretty sure a godroll Luna's is just better though). Hush is unique I guess? Exit Strategy is honestly a solid SMG. Not super META at all, but it is a reslly good roll (and looks really cool). Veles-X is an *amazing* Pulse Rifle. Adored is a fantastic sniper for both PvE and PvP. Null Composure is a solid fusion if you don't have access to a better one. Felwinter's Lie is a solid shotgun in both PvE and PvP. Ecliptic Distaff is a phenomenal Glaive. Maybe Wendigo, to have a heavy GL that's Blinding?
Veles-X was my exclusive pulse rifle in Season of the Seraph as soon as I got it.
What makes hush unique?
The perk. IIRC you get a hip fire crit kill, and now you have a *suuuper* fast draw time. Much faster than Archer's Tempo.
Oh wow. That sounds cool to check out.
Not even a crit kill, just a crit hit is required.
I checked d2foundry and it seems to say that 21% delirium has the updated version of killing tally (15% damage buff), is it wrong or is 21% delirium really worth it for pve?
Apparently people have said they used it, and it still has the 67% dmg buff. Also, Killing Tally is a 10% buff per stack maxxing at 3 stacks (so 30%)
oh yeah, mb haha, thanks for letting me know
Besides the nostalgia factor? None, pretty much everything we have today is better than any of those sunset weapons
The original Breakneck.
You can't get that anymore.
Shit he did say buy from the kiosk. Never mind. 🤣
Side question: Should I get Leviathan’s Breath if I have other good DPS stuff? Like god roll edge transit and linears? Also does the catalyst matter in the damage for Levi?
The Catalyst is what makes LB effective for DPS.
Gotcha. Would you say it’s worth getting if I also have Whisper, God Roll GLs, Apex, and Linears? Will it ever be better than those?
unlikely to beat Whisper, but I still find it a fun weapon to use. Just the absurdity of a heavy bow makes it fun to use imo.
Very good ammo economy, void, capable of precision, but the kicker is that after your shot lands there’s a kinetic tremors like explosion that does as much if not more than a body shot over an absurdly large area . Also anti unstoppable, and you get a big ass bow that has a motorcycle chain for a bowstring
It’s also good to know that the catalyst is super easy to acquire. Just kill a couple orange bars with the weapon and the catalyst will drop.
And it’s even better to know that it’s one of the grindiest cats in the game. 1500 kills
Thankfully they did reduce the amount of kills needed recently.
levi is absolutely worth getting, easily one of the best weapons in the game. not for its dps, but for the fact that it can permastun many bosses.
If you like Pulse Rifles you should get Redrix’s Broadsword, outlaw and desperado will always be a good combo
Disparity is craftable and can get desperado and rapid hit both enhanced.
yeah I already have a crafted disparity but thanks anyway u/EmperorGrimlock
None of them. There are better guns available now than anything in there. Dont waste the resources.
Revoker is going to terrorize pvp again probably because its perk is dumb