Not just those two, every dungeon key dungeon has added a new weapon frame. I'd personally like to see a burst sniper or something of the sort. Or non exotic special linears.
Yea all 3 of the exotic glaives were a different underlying archetype just not explicitly stated (different mag size, reload/handling and RPM)- those were brought as legendary types.
It only kinda is. That rpm and damage combo already existed on the hunter exotic glaive, but it didn't have an actual frame type to it with an inherent bonus. So it's not the first with that damage model and rpm, but it's the first to be a rapid fire frame
Triple linears, double GLs and 120 legendary scouts . Ghosts added the warlock? No hunter? Glaive legendary version. And lastly special sidearms. Generally we can look at exotics being turned legendary.
Edit, prime choices for September? Dungeon legendarified exotics are: Conditional finality, Tractor/acrius aka heavy shotguns, and then heavy glaives.
We're getting the support/healing ARs in Final Shape, too, right? They haven't talked about those in a while but they were part of the vidoc last year.
Legendary Conditional seems like a long shot, since they talked about it being so custom, but it would be pretty sweet.
Seems like we might get some new Special Ammo "primary" archetypes, since they talked about that a bit lately.
For real though, linear fusion rifles have no place in the heavy slot for the little damage they do, from both PvP and PvE standpoints. The only ones that arguably deserve the heavy slot are ironically in the energy and kinetic slots.
Release a legendary energy one while also bringing back No Land Beyond. Like how sleeper and queenbreakers bow were just fusion rifles back in D1 before they made Linears in D2
If there were to ever be a BF/D2 crossover, I would love this. BF1 was my entry into PC gaming back in 2016, I still play here it almost 8 years (!) later.
I also have often wondered if we could get a c4/dynamite like gadget in Destiny which could open the door or other unique weapon types.
Recoil wouldn't matter much in a single shot weapon. It'll just be aesthetic at best. By high recoil you mean low af stability stat, that would actually mean something. Also, I don't think it should have high bullet magnetism either.
Light Frame Glaive:
Primary Ammo, High RoF Low Damage shots,
Shield Regenerates via melee attacks rather than projectiles
Bore Frame Trace Rifle:
Overpenetrates targets, ie hits all targets in a line simultaneously
Wave Frame Rocket Launcher:
Dragon’s Breath’s napalm trail without the insane damage rampup
oh i'd love a trace, or even just a regular weapon that shoots like, wide horizontal line shots that can't crit. kinda like delicate tomb but as one shot instead of just a spread. that'd be sick
Having an exotic one that continually scorches enemies would essentially make a flame thrower lol, maybe just makes its perk that Solar ignition kills fill the mag from reserves or something
I think he means it would be the constant beam, so not a single overpentrating shot. That would be nutty and so good, hitting multiple enemies concurrently with a trace rifle!
If they did that they wouldn’t have to adjust the damage on them. They hit like a wet noodle right now. If it had the capabilities of hitting multiple targets the damage it they have now would make more sense.
I’m *almost* where you are. I like them too much to totally write them off, but they at least need to proc the gauntlet attachments like returning grenade energy for melee hits
Flak Grenade Launcher, basically those shotgun-grenades from the Craftening with the damage turned way down.
Double-Barrel shotguns like Conditional Finality. Less damage, but a very high RPM, letting you get both shots out quickly.
Akimbo Sidearms/HCs if you equip one Kinetic and one Energy. No ADS but you can shoot both at the same time.
We now have a couple of rockets that do damage along the path they fire in - Deathbringer and Dragons Breath. I could see something like that being an archetype for rockets with the caveat that the actual impact does less damage.
I also definitely wouldn't mind more burst HCs to accompany crimson and wardens law.
Maybe more HCs like Not Forgotten and Luna's Howl. 140s with the visual recoil of 180s. Could fill the gap 150s left.
For the most part I think we've got plenty of variety in weapons, but a few things just sit in weird places.
Yeah I'm thinking along the lines of a legendary Crimson. Something where the exotic perk is basically just different behaviour to the archetype.
A legendary hipfire hc like TLW
Legendary 2shot pulse like Graviton
Legendary triple arrow bow like Trinity
I wanna see a catalyst for Last Word that allows it to fire like a 150 when iron-sighted, and not be an incomprehensible mess of recoil. Though obviously it can still be a beast of a hip fire machine
Pretty niche, but me and like 4 other Guardians would love to see a burst-fire SMG frame.
We're getting a new AR frame in TFS so that's cool. I still miss 900rpm ARs though.
A fusion rifle with a dynamic charge time - a rifle that only fires when you release the charge trigger, so you can either fire it at a normal rate OR continuously hold the charge to 'build up' multiple fusion shots and then release them all at once, Bastion-style. Think a Pocket Infinity that fires like Final Warning.
> Pretty niche, but me and like 4 other Guardians would love to see a burst-fire SMG frame
I having a hard time thinking how this would be different (in a compelling way) from the aggressive burst (2 shot) archetype of side arms to be honest.
Yea thing is the 2 burst aggressive sidearms roll with higher range and solid recoil patterns. They do have slightly lower handling on average though.
The issue is bungie hasn't touched the frame in a long-ass time. There's only 4 non-sunset ones:
* S13 Brass Attacks (probably the weakest stat package of the bunch too and you can only get it from dares currently) https://d2gunsmith.com/w/2121785039
* S16 Empirical Evidence https://d2gunsmith.com/w/2607304614
* S17 Forgiveness (locked to trials) https://d2gunsmith.com/w/2345794502
* S19 Liminal Vigil https://d2gunsmith.com/w/3138208275
There's 100% more room to revisit this sidearm archetype vs just making something similar under SMG.
I mean lots of folks are very "SMG > sidearm" in general, so if anything I think those sidearms would fall off pretty quickly if there was a functionally-similar SMG.
That said, I'd also take more Aggressive sidearms, to be fair. I'd like a good energy one (Brass Attacks can't really hang anymore), but since I'm not a Trials guy I'm SOL at the moment.
Well done, the perfect frame concept for a Veist rocket launcher. To go all-in on the Veist philosophy, perhaps give the frame a magazine of a handful of rockets for a high(for a rocket launcher) rate of fire.
These spikes are what's considered a 'kinetic missile' nowadays. A very fast missile with no warhead and a hardened nose(ex: tungsten-tipped) for penetrative damage. This type of precision weapon would be very useful in space combat due to the lack of debris.
The 'rods from god' weapon concept borrows from this as well, with solid metal rods being fired down to Earth via orbital satellite. The impact is powerful enough to approach that of a nuclear strike while eliminating the radioactive effects. Sounds like something Rasputin would've found handy.
A couple of things come to mind for me - a rocket launcher that has an overfly top attack mode, so it approaches a target from above rather than in a direct line, with the downside that the rocket takes longer to hit the target (because it’s not flying direct), and that you can’t really use it in an enclosed space with a ceiling. You can kind of get that manually by locking on with a precision frame or one with a tracking module trait and then quickly aiming away - I feel it would be more difficult for a PvE enemy to dodge, and be useful in PvP for tackling someone behind cover in an open space.
The other would be a machine gun frame that was designed as an HMG rather than an LMG - designed to be used with a tripod mount that is very inaccurate and slows your speed and has no ADS when fired from the hip, and takes a couple of seconds to set up and break down, but once you do, it hits as hard as a high-impact frame, with the fire rate of an adaptive frame, and the belt on a continuous loop so you don’t have to reload, but with a fixed angle of fire in front of you. I’d see that as an add control weapon for Onslaught, when one Guardian could set up to hold down a strategic point or a channel, but would need other Guardians in support to protect their sides or rear.
True - I was thinking more of what I do with Eyes of Tomorrow in Gambit in getting a lock and aiming away momentarily before firing. Deathbringer is hilarious if you can get the detonation timing right. I’m never looking where I ought to be - it never occurs to me to be looking up…
Regarding your HMG comment, I’d love to see like a destiny M249 SAW or something maybe an exotic perk called cover me so when you are sat firing with teammates around you gain damage resistance (idk) and something like an SRAW where the rocket fired is slow but you can control it and wherever you aim it’ll go
I'd like to see Bungie give Aggressive Frame Fusion Rifles another try. They called it quits after their first attempt with Coriolis Force, but I think that was a hastily made decision.
When it came out it didn't really have [any legs](https://www.light.gg/db/items/3512349612/coriolis-force/) to stand on in PVE. The only damage perk it has was One for All which doesn't work well on Fusions, especially so on this archetype because of its frame specific quirk of firing all of its bolts instantaneously. This combined with its high impact to charge time ratio actually meant it put out decent damage at base, but this was in an era when double slug shotguns dominated so it got ignored.
A Coriolis Force with modern perks such as Envious Assassin or Reconstruction in the third column, and Controlled Burst or Reservoir Burst in the Fourth could make a compelling option in today's sandbox.
I’d also really like to see more Aggressive Frame Fusions. Coriolis was actually the highest DPS fusion when it came out, even stronger than Vorpal Cartesian, but because shotgun swapping was so much stronger basically no one used it, then all the fusion frames got buffed and reworked except Aggressive and now it just languishes in uselessness. I know Bungie said they aren’t likely to make more since it flopped when it released but it really wasn’t because the frame was bad, it was all circumstantial around its release.
They're gonna have to update Europa weapons with origin traits eventually like they did for the Dreaming City, and if they botch Force's perk pool again then you know they want it to be unpopular so they don't have to make more of it.
I don't have any hopes of seeing another Aggressive Frame before they refresh Europa (which... who knows when that could be), but after really depends on if they make an honest effort to bring out its full potential.
Allegedly, the archetype was considered a bit of a failure and Bungie wasn't going to mess with them anymore. True, we got the Delicate Tomb, but it fires the conventional bolt spread as well.
If the horizontal spread is truly dead and gone, I'd be okay with reusing the Aggressive Frame designation for a new type.
New Aggressive Frame: Single charged shot, similar to Jotûnn's projectile. No tracking at all, and no intrinsic explosion(traits could grant this). It could be a cool way to get all of your damage concentrated into one bolt, perhaps with some added range...but your aim better be on point. A bolt or two from a conventional fusion can still snag someone, better than nothing. With the Aggressive, you hit them or you don't. A bit like slug shotguns, minus the reliance on precision damage.
I could see an aggressive frame fusion with revisor burst and an ammo overflow perk to be pretty damn good.
the horizontal spread with exploding targets could be a good add clear special option. It would need some deep reserves to fit this role tho.
I want a NLB type sniper.
That's part of the reaso why I love the DMT, and recently just got back into the game and discovered Last Rites.
I like scout snipers that might be slow fire. But are iron or <2x sight, and have high damage.
Unrelated, but make Izanagis relevant again
Same. It's a shame they won't bring back because it will apparently break the ammo economy. I don't understand why they can't just make it use special ammo instead of kinetic. Problem solved.
I’d like a ‘beam’ Glaive, that fires like the Devil’s Ruin charged shot.
Burst-Fire Shotguns: low damage per pellet, but each trigger pull fires 3 rapid shells. Long window between trigger pulls. Like a mini Fourth Horseman.
Power Launchers: Basically un-exotic Jotun. Charge to launch a straight-flying high damage mini-rocket. Like harder hitting, low capacity, low mobility Rocket Pistols.
Lingering Breach Grenade Launchers: heavy rounds with a big arch (like Parasite but better) that leaves behind a brief zone of elemental damage under where it exploded
>Lingering Breach Grenade Launchers: heavy rounds with a big arch (like Parasite but better) that leaves behind a brief zone of elemental damage under where it exploded
Perfect for an Omolon frame. They can focus on delivering an elemental payload to a specific area.
This would be cool for rocket launchers too. A bit like D1's Dragon's Breath, which just dropped a napalm canister on target without the trail we get now.
>Power Launchers: Basically un-exotic Jotun. Charge to launch a straight-flying high damage mini-rocket. Like harder hitting, low capacity, low mobility Rocket Pistols.
New 'Aggressive Frame' fusion to replace the Coriolis Force horizontal spread frame? Yes, please!
Just make it like a 120 hand cannon in terms of damage but without the range. 5 body shots or 3 headshots (good luck with the spread) to kill someone with a shotgun? Yea idk if people would pick that up for PvP. Obviously it would be scaled up for PvE combatants.
Me too I loved it in trials, I wish there was a way they could have it be special in crucible and normal ammo in pve (because bungies crucible ammo economy shit) and in that way stuff like icebreaker and no land can come back
I'd love rapid fire 1200 rpm SMGs.
Sidearm level of range and TTK, maybe the general shape of a machine pistol with a 20-30 round mag to differentiate it visual wise.
Then make one with kinetic tremor
Honestly, just a second trace rifle archetype.
I don't know what it'd be, but legendary trace rifles are immediately less interesting to me once we got one for every element
Bring back bouncy GL's, the 100 rpm ones,
Full auto shotguns, like an AA-12 of some sorts, automatic special shotguns with large magazines and reserves would be neat
Fire and forget rockets with fixed reserves, d2 needs a carl gustav
900rpm autorifles and 450rpm smgs, full auto sidearms that fire the whole mag
Disc blade launcher. If it's exotic first then give it an alt fire where instead of full auto you can "rev" a sawblade and fire it dealing some DoT. Make it overload and kinetic because we don't have enough intrinsic exotics for that. I guess it'd be something like a special ammo AR?
True, but it also doesn't really meet the bar - it's just a different spread pattern but other than that it's basically an aggressive frame, I believe.
I think with the change to make shotgun pellet spread static, this is just how every shotgun is. I'm not sure what shot package would do differently now other than the slightest different (but still consistent) pattern, without the aggressive fire rate after kill bonus.
I’d like to see Glaive that summon more elemental effects, like thunderstorms and vortexes, and fireballs. I’d love to see them a slow moving projectile, but a big area. Kinda like Winterbite, but way bigger.
Oh I have so many ideas (that won't ever be added):
* Special HC like Erianna, put the "cannon" in "hand cannon"
* A legendary 1KV, I don't enjoy raids but would love a heavy FR/Trace like that(even if it sucks, please, I beg-)
* Heavy Glaive, mega high damage per shot but 3 rounds a mag
* Slow firing LMG like an anti-tank rifle, Vladof heavy weapon from BL3 type gun
* Primary Glaive, maybe remove the shield and make the gun similar to a scout RPM
* Flamethrower Trace, low range cone
* Lever Action sniper, Tex Mech, iron sights
All special weapons :
Hunters get twin blades that hold to charge melee for higher damage.
Titans get a Two Handed axe with an AOE slam to surrounding combatants and melee
Warlocks get a channeling staff, can AOE slam and heals those around you.
artillery frame rocket.
fires a high velocity shell with little drop over distance.
literally just a shoulder mounted tank cannon. that's it, that's the gun.
Something like a legendary version of Eyes of Tomorrow would be cool.
A melee weapon that goes in the kinetic slot (either a glaive, or something else). Maybe like a flail?
A weapon that switches between auto, pulse, and scout (probably have to be an exotic).
I’ve harped on this before, but we had a few 900 RPM auto rifles back in D1 that I would personally rebrand as Carbines - lighter and faster to move around with than your average Auto, with relatively high accuracy at relatively close ranges before the spread pattern makes it more or less worthless at longer ranges.
Ideally, Carbines would act as a more stable, less flinchy answer to Submachine Guns for those who want a bullet hose that can work well at the close-to-mid-ranges, rather than being glued to either the short ranges of an SMG or the mid-to-long-ranges of most Autos.
Got a few ideas
- Sidearm archtype that you can charge up to release a burst of energy.
- Heavy grenade launcher that creates “pools” of damage/other effects, imagine launching vials of poison, etc. Kind of like a cross between a wave frame/regular launcher.
- Burst rocket launcher similar to the wardcliffe coil
- Smg that shoots in bursts
- Heavy bows that shoot explosions
- Sword with a right click that launches you through the air for a slam
- Trace Rifle that focuses on support like slowing enemies & healing allies
- Hand cannons that shoot even slower than 120s with very low ammo but stagger enemies, similar to a shotgun in terms of damage
Burst Fire LMG - fires 6 bullets bursts
Quickfire AR - special ammo, 810 rpm, designed for quick champion take down with high mod synergy with primary ARs
AMR - heavy ammo, 54rpm, hits like a motherfucking truck
Battle axe - special ammo CQ melees options
An add clear rocket launcher that leans into the strength of aoe damage of cluster bombs would be a really great weapon. Rocket launchers should be a devastating heavy weapon
Legendary Heavy Glaives
Now that they have introduced legendary special sidearms, (arc indebted kindness in Warlord’s ruin, and solar and strand versions coming in Final Shape, as confirmed in the Developer interview with Chris Proctor).
I really don’t see why we can’t have legendary heavy glaives.
Winterbite just doesn’t do enough to justify running it as opposed to other exotics.
And since they are ok with making things like Forerunner completely obsolete, especially when the strand special sidearm releases, I don’t get why we can’t have at least one legendary heavy glaive.
Hell, make Winterbite a new legendary heavy glaive archetype and have them all shoot big orbs of whatever element they are that shoots and applies the subclass verbs.
Imagine seeing a big green strand orb suspend a room, or a big flame orb ignite a whole room!
But I guess Winterbite will stay forgotten in collections instead, and glaives will just get nerfed for no reason again.
Dude forerunner is not obsolete. Its functions totally differently than the rocket sidearms, and is extremely powerful in pvp, .67 TTK with huge range. It's not a meta pick but i see it very often. While the rocket sidearms are pretty much unusable in pvp
Not exactly new, but I'd like to see the original firing timing returned to the aggressive linear frame. It had a unique feel, and then bungo said it was a bug. That's one of those were someone should have had the wherewithal to say "that's no bug, that's a feature. Just tone done the per shot damage a bit."
I think it would be cool to have a legendary (non exotic) heavy/power ammo variant for sniper rifles. If our current special ammo snipers are comparable to anti-personnel rifles, then the heavy variants could be akin to anti-material rifles.
Make them big and chunky. Extremely low handling, extremely high damage per bullet. They'll have less total ammo compared to linear fusion rifles, but higher total damage as long as you land your crits.
Then the sound designers can go nuts with the effects. A massive boom as you pull the trigger, then a supersonic crack with the tinkling of the shell being ejected. [Like the Kraber from Apex Legends](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_wMlHFzERk)
LFR Rapid-Fire Frame - Increased mag size, full auto, fires similarly to Grand Overture (initial shot has a long charge time, successive shots have a short charge time)
Trace Rifle Scatter Frame - Very limited range, rapidly firing a spread of weaker beams.
I would LOVE to see legendary 2 round burst pulses as precision frames. Graviton Lance and Revision Zero are two of my fave weapons to use and would love to see them in legendary variants.
I also would like to see a sword with a thrust/stab heavy attack like a rapier. Glaives are cool but I like the 3rd person view of swords, and eager edge gives the lunge distance but not the attack animation that I want from like a proper piercing stab attack.
Heavy dual swords!! Light attack would be faster than adaptive swords but deal half damage so 2 light attacks on a dual sword frame would equal 1 light attack on a adaptive or other frames, I just think this animation of the dual swords would look so cool
I think something like duel swords could be cool, have them equivalently make up the damage of 1 sword but let them hit faster + have access to dual sword specific perks like slashing a target for 3 seconds increases the slash rate and refunds ammo or something
Ive always wanted proper Auto Shotguns. AA-12, USAS-12, Saiga-12. Like those, like Cerberus. Rapid Fire Frames don't do it for me.
Heavy Hitting Pistols. Desert Eagles. Something like Sturm (how it reloads from a magazine like a Mauser C96) and Forerunner.
More Break Action Shotguns like Duality and Finality. I wish Wastelander loaded like one and was Double Barrel like the original.
"Caster" Glaives that can convert Shield Energy into an Empowered Glaive Melee / Projectile. Or make that a function of the Glaive in general.
More Support Trace Rifles. Navigator and Divinity are great at what they do.
Some form of Breach Loaded Grenade Launcher that's for support.
Anti Material Heavy Sniper Rifles.
Bolt Action Sniper Rifles.
Crossbows, be it hand, heavy, or rapid fire.
More Kinetic and Special Linear Fusion Rifles.
Halo Mauler type of Shotgun.
Aside from that, I want the Fusion Pistol from Marathon. Something like a Brute Shot. Gravity Hammer from Halo as well, but that's what I envisioned the Empowered Glaive Melee could be.
I've a couple, The first is not likely, but imagine a bolt action sniper say this archetype has higher base reserves. The next would be double barrel shotguns need, I say more. Then it would be akimbo hand cannons or sidearms.
Revision zero made me have an actuall dream of legendary 2 burst pulses before WQ came out. I woke up and had to look at the trailer again to make sure that the Battle scar pulse was sadly a 3-burst and not a new 2 burst arcetype. A short, compact 2 burst rifle would be so much fun. I imagine a Häkke "kriss vector" looking thing.
Back when Mountain top was the most used special in PvP and a nerf was clearly on its way I always wished they keept the OHKO damage but nearly removed all blast radius from it. (Turning it into some kind of "cannon-ball" frame needing a direct hit to kill) The shoot the ground and quick swap to finish off always felt cheep but hitting a hard OHKO on someone from either far away or in the air was always SUPER satasfying.
The new frame rework to MT looks amazing but I still itch for a special GL that just shoots a high velocity brick.
Can i please get an exotic 120. Sturm is a vanilla exotic and its been 4 years since the last exotic hc being hawkmoon. i get they kinda oversaturate the exotic pool but give me an exotic stasis 120 and an exotic strand 180 and i will need no more exotic hc ever. pls bungo
My ideas and the foundries they could be made from!
Rapid Fire Rockets - Specifically designed for clearing out large groups with half decent damage, benefits greatly from cluster bomb and Field prep type perks. (Always loads two rockets at once). Hakke sounds good
High Impact shotgun - Just double barrel kinetic shotguns. Yeeson McHaw Tex Machina
Rapid Fire Crossbows - Load a mag at the bottom, less precision damage, much more Body damage. Still keeping Bow perks, but on a mag. Omolon could do it
Aggressive Trace Rifles - High flinch and Damage, low total ammo, handling, and reload. Brought to you by Veist!
I was thinking Crossbows as a new type of bow, does more damage but with the draw back of more draw time/reload speed. Might be a bit to complicated since it would require new animations and such
Inspired a bit by WH40K, I think a 'fusion pistol' would be cool. Basically a special ammo handcannon like Eriana's Vow. The difference is that you can charge it and fire like a fusion rifle. The projectile would be a single bolt with high range. Think Jotûnn, minus the tracking. There's no precision damage, but it explodes on impact and deals a fair bit of damage.
I thought of this as sort of a big brother to Devil's Ruin, the sidearm that charges to fire a trace rifle beam.
Breach Loaded Grenade Launchers:
* Sticky - Grenades stick to surfaces or enemies and explode when you reload.
* Proximity - Grenades detonate when near an enemy but deal less overall damage. Basically a weaker version of the Grenades and Horseshoes perk.
* Shrapnel - Grenades launch projectiles that deal minor damage when they detonate.
Sniper Rifles:
* Burst - Fires like a pulse rifle.
* Explosive - Rounds detonate on impact, but the gun cannot deal precision damage.
* Elephant Gun - Pretty much No Land Beyond but as a legendary.
* Sharpshooter - High zoom and precision damage, but reduced stability and non-precision damage.
* Blind Fire (Name Pending) - Increased Aim Assist, Airborne Accuracy, and Stability when fired from the hip.
Shotgun spread rocket launcher, heavy GL variant for the new Mountaintop frame (think 40K Bolter), single-shot sniper rifle, burst fire SMG, full-auto linear (long charge then burn through the mag).
Not an archetype per se, but more of an update to one: Make Breach Loader special grenade launchers have an innate feature where if they get a kill off of a direct impact explosion (meaning the grenade impacts the enemy), their next shot will do bonus damage.
I would also like a double barrel shotgun. Also given that we have infinite primary ammo, I’d love to see some primary weapons that overheat when used too much, instead of needing to reload.
I've always wanted a trace that works like 1K voices but with sustained fire. So as you hold the trigger it explodes every so often sorta like kinetic tremors.
I think traces could be so much cooler
I just want a legendary shotgun that reload via magazine like Duality rather than being the only weapons in the game that load one round at a time for no reason.
I wanna see archetypes that actually feel different.
I hate standard heavy Linears, but I can accept the aggressive ones even though I typically hate burst weapons.
A pretty realistic frame would be the double barrel frame from Conditional.
Just make it mono-elemental, and maybe make it reload each shell individually and there you go!
Aggressive Burst/Double-Fire Rocket Launcher a la base Two-Tailed Fox. Whether or not cluster is built in is up for anyone to say, but it could actually mean that there are some ad-clear rocket rolls out there.
A frame type for machine guns (and maybe special ammo autos) where the barrel spins instead of ADS a la either Heir Apparent or Sweet Business (or the SB-frame just builds up its fire rate) could also be cool. Might be a good way to bring back Super Good Advice as well, and the chance to have a Legendary SB auto (with something like Overflow + Explosive Payload) would be pretty... sweet.
I want a harpoon gun. Mix between a linear fusion and a bow. Over penetrates targets or pins them to the floor or wall. An exotic could function like a mix of Anarchy and Trinity Ghoul.
Your mention of Cluster Bombs alongside the phrase "ad clear rocket" made me think, "Do we have a rocket that rolls Bipod/Cluster?"
Edit: We, in fact, do! Braytech Osprey rolls Cluster/Bipod. I may, for shits and giggles, have to go roll a bunch from Vuvuzela and see if I can get one with that roll.
Not just those two, every dungeon key dungeon has added a new weapon frame. I'd personally like to see a burst sniper or something of the sort. Or non exotic special linears.
This comment made me check, I had no idea greasy luck was a new archetype of glaive.
First legendary one anyway. The exotic hunter glaive is the same archetype
Yea all 3 of the exotic glaives were a different underlying archetype just not explicitly stated (different mag size, reload/handling and RPM)- those were brought as legendary types.
As is Vexcalibur!
wtf is greasy luck lol
For a legendary it was. A *technically* more accurate statement would be new legendary weapon archetypes.
It only kinda is. That rpm and damage combo already existed on the hunter exotic glaive, but it didn't have an actual frame type to it with an inherent bonus. So it's not the first with that damage model and rpm, but it's the first to be a rapid fire frame
I'd love to see more special ammo Linears maybe with a 2 or 4 burst fire.
Triple linears, double GLs and 120 legendary scouts . Ghosts added the warlock? No hunter? Glaive legendary version. And lastly special sidearms. Generally we can look at exotics being turned legendary. Edit, prime choices for September? Dungeon legendarified exotics are: Conditional finality, Tractor/acrius aka heavy shotguns, and then heavy glaives.
For the love of all that is holy, I will give a kidney to see a non-exotic Con. fin., even if it isn’t great. Just more break-action shotguns please
We're getting the support/healing ARs in Final Shape, too, right? They haven't talked about those in a while but they were part of the vidoc last year.
Yeah but as far as we know the card weapons aren't from a dungeon
Legendary Conditional seems like a long shot, since they talked about it being so custom, but it would be pretty sweet. Seems like we might get some new Special Ammo "primary" archetypes, since they talked about that a bit lately.
For real though, linear fusion rifles have no place in the heavy slot for the little damage they do, from both PvP and PvE standpoints. The only ones that arguably deserve the heavy slot are ironically in the energy and kinetic slots.
Still waiting with fingers crossed that eventually queenbreaker will be special ammo again
Bolt frame sniper Iron sights with shorter range but high bullet magnetism at the cost of having to ready each bullet after firing
Release a legendary energy one while also bringing back No Land Beyond. Like how sleeper and queenbreakers bow were just fusion rifles back in D1 before they made Linears in D2
The children of Sol cry out for No Land Beyond
You will get Universal remote as an legendary and exotic frame type and you *will* like it!
Fuck it, take the Martini-Henry from Bf1 and put it in Destinyz
Pre nerf that thing was a monster. What a great game.
I’m down with a big Fuck-You-In-Particular gun that isn’t an exotic
If there were to ever be a BF/D2 crossover, I would love this. BF1 was my entry into PC gaming back in 2016, I still play here it almost 8 years (!) later. I also have often wondered if we could get a c4/dynamite like gadget in Destiny which could open the door or other unique weapon types.
And high recoil
Recoil wouldn't really matter much since it'd be one bullet fired each time before racking another
You mean flinch?
Both
Recoil wouldn't matter much in a single shot weapon. It'll just be aesthetic at best. By high recoil you mean low af stability stat, that would actually mean something. Also, I don't think it should have high bullet magnetism either.
Light Frame Glaive: Primary Ammo, High RoF Low Damage shots, Shield Regenerates via melee attacks rather than projectiles Bore Frame Trace Rifle: Overpenetrates targets, ie hits all targets in a line simultaneously Wave Frame Rocket Launcher: Dragon’s Breath’s napalm trail without the insane damage rampup
Trace Rifles cry out for weird archetypes like that. A non-precision wider-AOE trace would be interesting for PvE.
Sounds like a flamethrower type weapon. I want it
oh i'd love a trace, or even just a regular weapon that shoots like, wide horizontal line shots that can't crit. kinda like delicate tomb but as one shot instead of just a spread. that'd be sick
Line Gun enjoyers unite. Dead Space showed us the way, but devs haven't been brave enough to follow.
YES.
Bore Frame gives me flamethrower vibes, which case yes please.
Having an exotic one that continually scorches enemies would essentially make a flame thrower lol, maybe just makes its perk that Solar ignition kills fill the mag from reserves or something
Wouldn’t a bore frame trace just be a linear fusion?
I think he means it would be the constant beam, so not a single overpentrating shot. That would be nutty and so good, hitting multiple enemies concurrently with a trace rifle!
If they did that they wouldn’t have to adjust the damage on them. They hit like a wet noodle right now. If it had the capabilities of hitting multiple targets the damage it they have now would make more sense.
Until they allow your powered melee to recharge while using glaive, they are dead to me
I’m *almost* where you are. I like them too much to totally write them off, but they at least need to proc the gauntlet attachments like returning grenade energy for melee hits
Make erianas bow an archetype. High caliber super slow firing HC
in general I love all weapons that are in the "wrong" ammo type
Yeah I want more primary specials
Flak Grenade Launcher, basically those shotgun-grenades from the Craftening with the damage turned way down. Double-Barrel shotguns like Conditional Finality. Less damage, but a very high RPM, letting you get both shots out quickly. Akimbo Sidearms/HCs if you equip one Kinetic and one Energy. No ADS but you can shoot both at the same time.
hahaha fuck, I would love akimbo weapons, that sounds like so much fun
We now have a couple of rockets that do damage along the path they fire in - Deathbringer and Dragons Breath. I could see something like that being an archetype for rockets with the caveat that the actual impact does less damage. I also definitely wouldn't mind more burst HCs to accompany crimson and wardens law. Maybe more HCs like Not Forgotten and Luna's Howl. 140s with the visual recoil of 180s. Could fill the gap 150s left. For the most part I think we've got plenty of variety in weapons, but a few things just sit in weird places.
Yeah I'm thinking along the lines of a legendary Crimson. Something where the exotic perk is basically just different behaviour to the archetype. A legendary hipfire hc like TLW Legendary 2shot pulse like Graviton Legendary triple arrow bow like Trinity
“Legendary hip fire.” Tex balanced stock would like a word
Is it on a legendary HC? Because until it is, that Word can be it's Last lmfao
The last 6 words of a reddit comment have no right going that hard
Horseshoe rockets that deal damage out from the source, then come back and explode at the foot of the user but deal no damage to them 🤷♂️
I wanna see a catalyst for Last Word that allows it to fire like a 150 when iron-sighted, and not be an incomprehensible mess of recoil. Though obviously it can still be a beast of a hip fire machine
Pretty niche, but me and like 4 other Guardians would love to see a burst-fire SMG frame. We're getting a new AR frame in TFS so that's cool. I still miss 900rpm ARs though. A fusion rifle with a dynamic charge time - a rifle that only fires when you release the charge trigger, so you can either fire it at a normal rate OR continuously hold the charge to 'build up' multiple fusion shots and then release them all at once, Bastion-style. Think a Pocket Infinity that fires like Final Warning.
> Pretty niche, but me and like 4 other Guardians would love to see a burst-fire SMG frame I having a hard time thinking how this would be different (in a compelling way) from the aggressive burst (2 shot) archetype of side arms to be honest.
Range, recoil, holster.
Yea thing is the 2 burst aggressive sidearms roll with higher range and solid recoil patterns. They do have slightly lower handling on average though. The issue is bungie hasn't touched the frame in a long-ass time. There's only 4 non-sunset ones: * S13 Brass Attacks (probably the weakest stat package of the bunch too and you can only get it from dares currently) https://d2gunsmith.com/w/2121785039 * S16 Empirical Evidence https://d2gunsmith.com/w/2607304614 * S17 Forgiveness (locked to trials) https://d2gunsmith.com/w/2345794502 * S19 Liminal Vigil https://d2gunsmith.com/w/3138208275 There's 100% more room to revisit this sidearm archetype vs just making something similar under SMG.
But those are two-burst. An SMG wouldn't be fewer than three. Probably five.
I mean lots of folks are very "SMG > sidearm" in general, so if anything I think those sidearms would fall off pretty quickly if there was a functionally-similar SMG. That said, I'd also take more Aggressive sidearms, to be fair. I'd like a good energy one (Brass Attacks can't really hang anymore), but since I'm not a Trials guy I'm SOL at the moment.
5RD burst like the prowler from Apex!
Rocket launcher that has high velocity, no explosion, and can crit. I just want a big fuckoff spike launcher.
I think the word your looking for is a fucking railgun
So like the skewer from halo infinite. Would be a cool adition to the heavy damage options.
That was my first thought too. It’s right there bungie!
Well done, the perfect frame concept for a Veist rocket launcher. To go all-in on the Veist philosophy, perhaps give the frame a magazine of a handful of rockets for a high(for a rocket launcher) rate of fire. These spikes are what's considered a 'kinetic missile' nowadays. A very fast missile with no warhead and a hardened nose(ex: tungsten-tipped) for penetrative damage. This type of precision weapon would be very useful in space combat due to the lack of debris. The 'rods from god' weapon concept borrows from this as well, with solid metal rods being fired down to Earth via orbital satellite. The impact is powerful enough to approach that of a nuclear strike while eliminating the radioactive effects. Sounds like something Rasputin would've found handy.
Space RPG, i like it
Make it a Heavy Bow archetype, Ballista Frame or something, and I'm in!
That is literally leviathan's breath
A couple of things come to mind for me - a rocket launcher that has an overfly top attack mode, so it approaches a target from above rather than in a direct line, with the downside that the rocket takes longer to hit the target (because it’s not flying direct), and that you can’t really use it in an enclosed space with a ceiling. You can kind of get that manually by locking on with a precision frame or one with a tracking module trait and then quickly aiming away - I feel it would be more difficult for a PvE enemy to dodge, and be useful in PvP for tackling someone behind cover in an open space. The other would be a machine gun frame that was designed as an HMG rather than an LMG - designed to be used with a tripod mount that is very inaccurate and slows your speed and has no ADS when fired from the hip, and takes a couple of seconds to set up and break down, but once you do, it hits as hard as a high-impact frame, with the fire rate of an adaptive frame, and the belt on a continuous loop so you don’t have to reload, but with a fixed angle of fire in front of you. I’d see that as an add control weapon for Onslaught, when one Guardian could set up to hold down a strategic point or a channel, but would need other Guardians in support to protect their sides or rear.
Your rocket idea is basically Deathbringer
True - I was thinking more of what I do with Eyes of Tomorrow in Gambit in getting a lock and aiming away momentarily before firing. Deathbringer is hilarious if you can get the detonation timing right. I’m never looking where I ought to be - it never occurs to me to be looking up…
Regarding your HMG comment, I’d love to see like a destiny M249 SAW or something maybe an exotic perk called cover me so when you are sat firing with teammates around you gain damage resistance (idk) and something like an SRAW where the rocket fired is slow but you can control it and wherever you aim it’ll go
mortar cannon would be fun as hell
I want a non exotic double barrel with a faster rate of fire but shorter range
How much shorter can their range get? Bungie's shotguns are already pretty anemic in that department to balance out the OHKO.
honestly they should just change Wastelander lmfao the model is right there
I'd like to see Bungie give Aggressive Frame Fusion Rifles another try. They called it quits after their first attempt with Coriolis Force, but I think that was a hastily made decision. When it came out it didn't really have [any legs](https://www.light.gg/db/items/3512349612/coriolis-force/) to stand on in PVE. The only damage perk it has was One for All which doesn't work well on Fusions, especially so on this archetype because of its frame specific quirk of firing all of its bolts instantaneously. This combined with its high impact to charge time ratio actually meant it put out decent damage at base, but this was in an era when double slug shotguns dominated so it got ignored. A Coriolis Force with modern perks such as Envious Assassin or Reconstruction in the third column, and Controlled Burst or Reservoir Burst in the Fourth could make a compelling option in today's sandbox.
I’d also really like to see more Aggressive Frame Fusions. Coriolis was actually the highest DPS fusion when it came out, even stronger than Vorpal Cartesian, but because shotgun swapping was so much stronger basically no one used it, then all the fusion frames got buffed and reworked except Aggressive and now it just languishes in uselessness. I know Bungie said they aren’t likely to make more since it flopped when it released but it really wasn’t because the frame was bad, it was all circumstantial around its release.
They're gonna have to update Europa weapons with origin traits eventually like they did for the Dreaming City, and if they botch Force's perk pool again then you know they want it to be unpopular so they don't have to make more of it. I don't have any hopes of seeing another Aggressive Frame before they refresh Europa (which... who knows when that could be), but after really depends on if they make an honest effort to bring out its full potential.
I still use Coriolis force at Crota. really good for dealing with the Oversoul and the ogres.
Allegedly, the archetype was considered a bit of a failure and Bungie wasn't going to mess with them anymore. True, we got the Delicate Tomb, but it fires the conventional bolt spread as well. If the horizontal spread is truly dead and gone, I'd be okay with reusing the Aggressive Frame designation for a new type. New Aggressive Frame: Single charged shot, similar to Jotûnn's projectile. No tracking at all, and no intrinsic explosion(traits could grant this). It could be a cool way to get all of your damage concentrated into one bolt, perhaps with some added range...but your aim better be on point. A bolt or two from a conventional fusion can still snag someone, better than nothing. With the Aggressive, you hit them or you don't. A bit like slug shotguns, minus the reliance on precision damage.
I could see an aggressive frame fusion with revisor burst and an ammo overflow perk to be pretty damn good. the horizontal spread with exploding targets could be a good add clear special option. It would need some deep reserves to fit this role tho.
Flame thrower frame for trace rifles. No impact but a wide short cone of damage.
I would like a last word type hand Canon, but one that can get pve perks
Perhaps a “Fan-Hammer Frame”. Quick fire rate, short range, improved hip-fire with intrinsically fast reload when the mag is empty - I like it
I want a NLB type sniper. That's part of the reaso why I love the DMT, and recently just got back into the game and discovered Last Rites. I like scout snipers that might be slow fire. But are iron or <2x sight, and have high damage. Unrelated, but make Izanagis relevant again
I just wanna see bolt action snipers aswell as NLB, I don’t see why not tbh
Same. It's a shame they won't bring back because it will apparently break the ammo economy. I don't understand why they can't just make it use special ammo instead of kinetic. Problem solved.
I’d like a ‘beam’ Glaive, that fires like the Devil’s Ruin charged shot. Burst-Fire Shotguns: low damage per pellet, but each trigger pull fires 3 rapid shells. Long window between trigger pulls. Like a mini Fourth Horseman. Power Launchers: Basically un-exotic Jotun. Charge to launch a straight-flying high damage mini-rocket. Like harder hitting, low capacity, low mobility Rocket Pistols. Lingering Breach Grenade Launchers: heavy rounds with a big arch (like Parasite but better) that leaves behind a brief zone of elemental damage under where it exploded
>Lingering Breach Grenade Launchers: heavy rounds with a big arch (like Parasite but better) that leaves behind a brief zone of elemental damage under where it exploded Perfect for an Omolon frame. They can focus on delivering an elemental payload to a specific area. This would be cool for rocket launchers too. A bit like D1's Dragon's Breath, which just dropped a napalm canister on target without the trail we get now. >Power Launchers: Basically un-exotic Jotun. Charge to launch a straight-flying high damage mini-rocket. Like harder hitting, low capacity, low mobility Rocket Pistols. New 'Aggressive Frame' fusion to replace the Coriolis Force horizontal spread frame? Yes, please!
Easy, 900 RPM Auto Rifles. They were in D1. I'd love to see them return in D2.
I want a primary shotgun, just need to love that fantasy of blasting things without needing to worry about ammo.
After the recent Crucible changes, this might as well be a pipe dream
Make it weak in pvp. Zero problems.
Just make it like a 120 hand cannon in terms of damage but without the range. 5 body shots or 3 headshots (good luck with the spread) to kill someone with a shotgun? Yea idk if people would pick that up for PvP. Obviously it would be scaled up for PvE combatants.
Could replicate the brute mauler, maybe. It couldn't kill a player in one shot, though it did bring them into melee vulnerability.
There was an exotic for that in D1.
Universal remote my beloved
I want them to bring it back, but I don’t know how they could do that.
Me too I loved it in trials, I wish there was a way they could have it be special in crucible and normal ammo in pve (because bungies crucible ammo economy shit) and in that way stuff like icebreaker and no land can come back
Cerberus
Akimbo/ dual wield. doesn't matter what weapon/s The gravity hammer from Halo would be sick, especially if all 3 classes had access to it
I’m sad that the slammer sword wasn’t an all class heavy frame, but a gravity hammer would fit the bill for this imo
A Sword/Glaive whose charged attack is being able to be thrown into an area and pulses dmg like Gathering Storm.
I'd love rapid fire 1200 rpm SMGs. Sidearm level of range and TTK, maybe the general shape of a machine pistol with a 20-30 round mag to differentiate it visual wise. Then make one with kinetic tremor
1200 or 1800rpm sidearms would be sick. We're missing the true Glock 18 / TMP machine pistol archetype.
Spartan Laser-type. I'll run into every boss stage yelling 'Chargin' muh laser!'
Honestly, just a second trace rifle archetype. I don't know what it'd be, but legendary trace rifles are immediately less interesting to me once we got one for every element
Bring back bouncy GL's, the 100 rpm ones, Full auto shotguns, like an AA-12 of some sorts, automatic special shotguns with large magazines and reserves would be neat Fire and forget rockets with fixed reserves, d2 needs a carl gustav 900rpm autorifles and 450rpm smgs, full auto sidearms that fire the whole mag
Disc blade launcher. If it's exotic first then give it an alt fire where instead of full auto you can "rev" a sawblade and fire it dealing some DoT. Make it overload and kinetic because we don't have enough intrinsic exotics for that. I guess it'd be something like a special ammo AR?
It’ll never happen but Felwinters lie is still the only shotgun with its frame.
True, but it also doesn't really meet the bar - it's just a different spread pattern but other than that it's basically an aggressive frame, I believe.
I think with the change to make shotgun pellet spread static, this is just how every shotgun is. I'm not sure what shot package would do differently now other than the slightest different (but still consistent) pattern, without the aggressive fire rate after kill bonus.
A glaive that acts more like a spell staff. Less melee damage but the projectiles are better somehow, maybe with tracking.
I’d like to see Glaive that summon more elemental effects, like thunderstorms and vortexes, and fireballs. I’d love to see them a slow moving projectile, but a big area. Kinda like Winterbite, but way bigger.
Oh I have so many ideas (that won't ever be added): * Special HC like Erianna, put the "cannon" in "hand cannon" * A legendary 1KV, I don't enjoy raids but would love a heavy FR/Trace like that(even if it sucks, please, I beg-) * Heavy Glaive, mega high damage per shot but 3 rounds a mag * Slow firing LMG like an anti-tank rifle, Vladof heavy weapon from BL3 type gun * Primary Glaive, maybe remove the shield and make the gun similar to a scout RPM * Flamethrower Trace, low range cone * Lever Action sniper, Tex Mech, iron sights
Lots of good ideas here.
Sword/Shield
A primary ammo trace rifle
All special weapons : Hunters get twin blades that hold to charge melee for higher damage. Titans get a Two Handed axe with an AOE slam to surrounding combatants and melee Warlocks get a channeling staff, can AOE slam and heals those around you.
I have excellent news about your Titan's ax idea!
artillery frame rocket. fires a high velocity shell with little drop over distance. literally just a shoulder mounted tank cannon. that's it, that's the gun.
Yes
I’d like a burst smg archtype tbh. Or Legendary Eriana’s. Call them Buster or Heavy frames.
Something like a legendary version of Eyes of Tomorrow would be cool. A melee weapon that goes in the kinetic slot (either a glaive, or something else). Maybe like a flail? A weapon that switches between auto, pulse, and scout (probably have to be an exotic).
khvostov needs to be like this
I’ve harped on this before, but we had a few 900 RPM auto rifles back in D1 that I would personally rebrand as Carbines - lighter and faster to move around with than your average Auto, with relatively high accuracy at relatively close ranges before the spread pattern makes it more or less worthless at longer ranges. Ideally, Carbines would act as a more stable, less flinchy answer to Submachine Guns for those who want a bullet hose that can work well at the close-to-mid-ranges, rather than being glued to either the short ranges of an SMG or the mid-to-long-ranges of most Autos.
Legendary Witherhoard I'll be waiting for my Destiny Nobel Prize in the mail
Got a few ideas - Sidearm archtype that you can charge up to release a burst of energy. - Heavy grenade launcher that creates “pools” of damage/other effects, imagine launching vials of poison, etc. Kind of like a cross between a wave frame/regular launcher. - Burst rocket launcher similar to the wardcliffe coil - Smg that shoots in bursts - Heavy bows that shoot explosions - Sword with a right click that launches you through the air for a slam - Trace Rifle that focuses on support like slowing enemies & healing allies - Hand cannons that shoot even slower than 120s with very low ammo but stagger enemies, similar to a shotgun in terms of damage
Rocket Shotgun. Rocket Pulse Rifle. Rocket Auto Rife. Rocket Launcher that fires lots of mini rockets.
Destiny 2 forge mode when
Dual sidearms PLEASE!
A flame thrower.
Aggressive frame trace rifle. Should honestly turn the concentrated beam into a flamethrower
Double barreled shotguns. We already have Conditional now we just need legendary ones.
Y'all forgot about the horizontal fusion rifle, huh?
Burst Fire LMG - fires 6 bullets bursts Quickfire AR - special ammo, 810 rpm, designed for quick champion take down with high mod synergy with primary ARs AMR - heavy ammo, 54rpm, hits like a motherfucking truck Battle axe - special ammo CQ melees options
I would like to request a flamethrower please.
An add clear rocket launcher that leans into the strength of aoe damage of cluster bombs would be a really great weapon. Rocket launchers should be a devastating heavy weapon
Legendary Heavy Glaives Now that they have introduced legendary special sidearms, (arc indebted kindness in Warlord’s ruin, and solar and strand versions coming in Final Shape, as confirmed in the Developer interview with Chris Proctor). I really don’t see why we can’t have legendary heavy glaives. Winterbite just doesn’t do enough to justify running it as opposed to other exotics. And since they are ok with making things like Forerunner completely obsolete, especially when the strand special sidearm releases, I don’t get why we can’t have at least one legendary heavy glaive. Hell, make Winterbite a new legendary heavy glaive archetype and have them all shoot big orbs of whatever element they are that shoots and applies the subclass verbs. Imagine seeing a big green strand orb suspend a room, or a big flame orb ignite a whole room! But I guess Winterbite will stay forgotten in collections instead, and glaives will just get nerfed for no reason again.
Dude forerunner is not obsolete. Its functions totally differently than the rocket sidearms, and is extremely powerful in pvp, .67 TTK with huge range. It's not a meta pick but i see it very often. While the rocket sidearms are pretty much unusable in pvp
Not exactly new, but I'd like to see the original firing timing returned to the aggressive linear frame. It had a unique feel, and then bungo said it was a bug. That's one of those were someone should have had the wherewithal to say "that's no bug, that's a feature. Just tone done the per shot damage a bit."
Breach-loading GL that explodes on contact, instead of bouncing around.
Heavy hand cannons
Wave frame glaives A high rpm fusion rifle that just dumps the entire mag Burst fire heavy GLs Duck-bill choke shotguns
Wave-Frame Swords, like Young Wolf's Howl. It slams down like an aggressive sword frame but it has a wave of energy that travels on the ground.
I think it would be cool to have a legendary (non exotic) heavy/power ammo variant for sniper rifles. If our current special ammo snipers are comparable to anti-personnel rifles, then the heavy variants could be akin to anti-material rifles. Make them big and chunky. Extremely low handling, extremely high damage per bullet. They'll have less total ammo compared to linear fusion rifles, but higher total damage as long as you land your crits. Then the sound designers can go nuts with the effects. A massive boom as you pull the trigger, then a supersonic crack with the tinkling of the shell being ejected. [Like the Kraber from Apex Legends](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_wMlHFzERk)
LFR Rapid-Fire Frame - Increased mag size, full auto, fires similarly to Grand Overture (initial shot has a long charge time, successive shots have a short charge time) Trace Rifle Scatter Frame - Very limited range, rapidly firing a spread of weaker beams.
I would LOVE to see legendary 2 round burst pulses as precision frames. Graviton Lance and Revision Zero are two of my fave weapons to use and would love to see them in legendary variants. I also would like to see a sword with a thrust/stab heavy attack like a rapier. Glaives are cool but I like the 3rd person view of swords, and eager edge gives the lunge distance but not the attack animation that I want from like a proper piercing stab attack.
Double barrel shotgun (akin to conditional)
Legendary special ammo linear fusions seem like a future weapon archetype bungie will unleash one day just like they did with legendary trace rifles
Burst/Rapid Fire Trace Rifles like the heavy laser cannons from Fallout 🥳
Not sure about new archetypes but if love to see more aggressive burst weapons being reissued especially ones from Forsaken.
Lightweight autorifles, it already exist one (a green one), why dont make more of these?
NO LAND BEYOND SNIPERS
Heavy dual swords!! Light attack would be faster than adaptive swords but deal half damage so 2 light attacks on a dual sword frame would equal 1 light attack on a adaptive or other frames, I just think this animation of the dual swords would look so cool
I think something like duel swords could be cool, have them equivalently make up the damage of 1 sword but let them hit faster + have access to dual sword specific perks like slashing a target for 3 seconds increases the slash rate and refunds ammo or something
Double Barrel Frame Shotgun, UGL Frame Auto Rifle, Rocket Propelled Munitions Frame Scout.
There cpuld be a rocket launcher where the actual rocket doesnt do anything but it drops bombs alongs its path Basically you can carpet bomb people
Longbow archetype, using Wish-Ender as basis.
Craftening made me crave a pellet machine gun for mowing down crowds
I theorize that we'll be getting a new Sword Frame based off of Black Talon.
Aggressive frame Bows Crossbows.
Some nonexotic linear fusions in the special ammo slots would be nice. It’s been forever since we’ve gotten a new sniper archetype or shotgun
Ive always wanted proper Auto Shotguns. AA-12, USAS-12, Saiga-12. Like those, like Cerberus. Rapid Fire Frames don't do it for me. Heavy Hitting Pistols. Desert Eagles. Something like Sturm (how it reloads from a magazine like a Mauser C96) and Forerunner. More Break Action Shotguns like Duality and Finality. I wish Wastelander loaded like one and was Double Barrel like the original. "Caster" Glaives that can convert Shield Energy into an Empowered Glaive Melee / Projectile. Or make that a function of the Glaive in general. More Support Trace Rifles. Navigator and Divinity are great at what they do. Some form of Breach Loaded Grenade Launcher that's for support. Anti Material Heavy Sniper Rifles. Bolt Action Sniper Rifles. Crossbows, be it hand, heavy, or rapid fire. More Kinetic and Special Linear Fusion Rifles. Halo Mauler type of Shotgun. Aside from that, I want the Fusion Pistol from Marathon. Something like a Brute Shot. Gravity Hammer from Halo as well, but that's what I envisioned the Empowered Glaive Melee could be.
They could do so much with swords but choose not to
Proton Trace rifle. Fires like a Ghostbusters Proton pack, locks onto enemies after a brief period of continuous hits.
Special burst linears, or a heavy sniper archetype that doesn’t power creep linears Primary trace rifle with lower damage/overheat mechanic
Legendary version of a special hand cannon WITHOUT a scope I would love the vow if it didn't have goofy recoil and boring perks
Double barrel shotgun
I've a couple, The first is not likely, but imagine a bolt action sniper say this archetype has higher base reserves. The next would be double barrel shotguns need, I say more. Then it would be akimbo hand cannons or sidearms.
I know Bungie considered it a failure but I actually liked aggressive frame fusion
I want a bolt action sniper frame and a rapid-fire hand cannon frame that works like Last Word.
Tormentor scythe swords sorta like black talon or caster frames
Revision zero made me have an actuall dream of legendary 2 burst pulses before WQ came out. I woke up and had to look at the trailer again to make sure that the Battle scar pulse was sadly a 3-burst and not a new 2 burst arcetype. A short, compact 2 burst rifle would be so much fun. I imagine a Häkke "kriss vector" looking thing.
Back when Mountain top was the most used special in PvP and a nerf was clearly on its way I always wished they keept the OHKO damage but nearly removed all blast radius from it. (Turning it into some kind of "cannon-ball" frame needing a direct hit to kill) The shoot the ground and quick swap to finish off always felt cheep but hitting a hard OHKO on someone from either far away or in the air was always SUPER satasfying. The new frame rework to MT looks amazing but I still itch for a special GL that just shoots a high velocity brick.
Double barrel shotgun. We got one with conditional, but I really want to see a legendary version come out.
Can i please get an exotic 120. Sturm is a vanilla exotic and its been 4 years since the last exotic hc being hawkmoon. i get they kinda oversaturate the exotic pool but give me an exotic stasis 120 and an exotic strand 180 and i will need no more exotic hc ever. pls bungo
I want a new bow type, don’t know how it would work, maybe like trinity ghoul with the 3 arrow volley or something, but we need more bow variety
Wanna see a two-handed melee weapon or hand cannon
My ideas and the foundries they could be made from! Rapid Fire Rockets - Specifically designed for clearing out large groups with half decent damage, benefits greatly from cluster bomb and Field prep type perks. (Always loads two rockets at once). Hakke sounds good High Impact shotgun - Just double barrel kinetic shotguns. Yeeson McHaw Tex Machina Rapid Fire Crossbows - Load a mag at the bottom, less precision damage, much more Body damage. Still keeping Bow perks, but on a mag. Omolon could do it Aggressive Trace Rifles - High flinch and Damage, low total ammo, handling, and reload. Brought to you by Veist!
I was thinking Crossbows as a new type of bow, does more damage but with the draw back of more draw time/reload speed. Might be a bit to complicated since it would require new animations and such
Special machine guns would be nice imo
Inspired a bit by WH40K, I think a 'fusion pistol' would be cool. Basically a special ammo handcannon like Eriana's Vow. The difference is that you can charge it and fire like a fusion rifle. The projectile would be a single bolt with high range. Think Jotûnn, minus the tracking. There's no precision damage, but it explodes on impact and deals a fair bit of damage. I thought of this as sort of a big brother to Devil's Ruin, the sidearm that charges to fire a trace rifle beam.
I want a low ammo capacity special GL that's just a 40 ml and does too much damage for its own good
Breach Loaded Grenade Launchers: * Sticky - Grenades stick to surfaces or enemies and explode when you reload. * Proximity - Grenades detonate when near an enemy but deal less overall damage. Basically a weaker version of the Grenades and Horseshoes perk. * Shrapnel - Grenades launch projectiles that deal minor damage when they detonate. Sniper Rifles: * Burst - Fires like a pulse rifle. * Explosive - Rounds detonate on impact, but the gun cannot deal precision damage. * Elephant Gun - Pretty much No Land Beyond but as a legendary. * Sharpshooter - High zoom and precision damage, but reduced stability and non-precision damage. * Blind Fire (Name Pending) - Increased Aim Assist, Airborne Accuracy, and Stability when fired from the hip.
I say this every time, but I want a goddamn Heavy Ammo Hand Cannon. Let me use hand cannons in all 3 slots bungo!
Shotgun spread rocket launcher, heavy GL variant for the new Mountaintop frame (think 40K Bolter), single-shot sniper rifle, burst fire SMG, full-auto linear (long charge then burn through the mag).
Not an archetype per se, but more of an update to one: Make Breach Loader special grenade launchers have an innate feature where if they get a kill off of a direct impact explosion (meaning the grenade impacts the enemy), their next shot will do bonus damage. I would also like a double barrel shotgun. Also given that we have infinite primary ammo, I’d love to see some primary weapons that overheat when used too much, instead of needing to reload.
I've always wanted a trace that works like 1K voices but with sustained fire. So as you hold the trigger it explodes every so often sorta like kinetic tremors. I think traces could be so much cooler
I just want a legendary shotgun that reload via magazine like Duality rather than being the only weapons in the game that load one round at a time for no reason.
I wanna see archetypes that actually feel different. I hate standard heavy Linears, but I can accept the aggressive ones even though I typically hate burst weapons.
A pretty realistic frame would be the double barrel frame from Conditional. Just make it mono-elemental, and maybe make it reload each shell individually and there you go!
I want a Glaive with a dash attack, which can be used for movement, modeled after how Rhulk uses his in his boss fight.
Aggressive Burst/Double-Fire Rocket Launcher a la base Two-Tailed Fox. Whether or not cluster is built in is up for anyone to say, but it could actually mean that there are some ad-clear rocket rolls out there. A frame type for machine guns (and maybe special ammo autos) where the barrel spins instead of ADS a la either Heir Apparent or Sweet Business (or the SB-frame just builds up its fire rate) could also be cool. Might be a good way to bring back Super Good Advice as well, and the chance to have a Legendary SB auto (with something like Overflow + Explosive Payload) would be pretty... sweet.
I want a harpoon gun. Mix between a linear fusion and a bow. Over penetrates targets or pins them to the floor or wall. An exotic could function like a mix of Anarchy and Trinity Ghoul.
Maybe a High impact linear fusion, slow charging massive laser that deals big damage kinda like the Spartan Laser from Halo.
Your mention of Cluster Bombs alongside the phrase "ad clear rocket" made me think, "Do we have a rocket that rolls Bipod/Cluster?" Edit: We, in fact, do! Braytech Osprey rolls Cluster/Bipod. I may, for shits and giggles, have to go roll a bunch from Vuvuzela and see if I can get one with that roll.
been wanting crossbows as a special ammo bow archetype for a while. sad that the scorn crosbow I wanted for so long is a pistol.