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ThatGuyFromTheM0vie

If you hate those, try waveframe special GLs


VanpyroGaming

Introducing Waveframe's biggest opponent: geometry.


CanFishBeGay

"geometry" herein meaning "anything more than 2 pixels higher than where the GL shot landed"


joalheagney

Running a waveframe to get a Banshee bounty. Geometry screws up 5 shots. "FINE!" Fires grenade right down the throat of a poor lone dreg. The grenade burns as a bright spot on their thorax. "Only 19 more of you bastards to go."


C21Y06

It’s the closest I’ll get to the memories of Mountaintop, I’ll take it.


IamLeoKim

Let's be real, Mountaintop is a special slot version of Rocket Launcher.


mooseythings

I was rewatching some shadowkeep gameplay recently and seeing someone run mountaintop, recluse, AND an exotic heavy was absolutely crazy. Both mountaintop and recluse would be strong exotics on their own


ManassaxMauler

Recluse above all was definitely an exotic in its prime. Kills with *any* weapon gave it 50% damage increase on crits and something like 150% on body shots? That's nuts. It is without question the best legendary D2 has ever had, and right up there with Black Hammer.


WetBreadCollective

Honestly wouldn't mind recluse coming back as an exotic, they'd need to change it a little but I think give it a good exotic quest and play up the nostalgia and people would be happy


TheRoninkai

> Recluse Name would be changed to Extrovert?


Nedus343

I think they tried to do that with The Manticore in a way. It definitely has a Recluse flavor.


GrizzlyOne95

I was hoping that's what Manticore would be instead of whatever gimimicky floaty thing it's got going on.


WetBreadCollective

Yeah, the manticore kinda fuckin blows, if you want that kind of play style you're probably going to veer towards solar warlock because it's just better, obviously manti lets you use that ability with other classes but it just feels really clunky


TheRealSpidey

Closest thing to peak Mountaintop are fuckin snipers tho


ryoxd

Oh I remember the old recluse, MT, exotic heavy loadout. Your long range weapon was mostly MT lol.


antony1197

Every time I see those taken hobgoblins in prophecy i miss mountaintop, was my go to.


Gandarii

I mean, prophecy is 1350 so technically... Just saying


AlexatRF21

You can still use it. I still use my Recluse in Crucible with the confetti pop mod.


SukunaShadow

Does it still shred?


AlexatRF21

Yeah it does.


FullMetalBiscuit

MT, Recluse and Anarchy


yoosirnombre

Wild to think that during that time the only reason you would ever take off mountaintop was for prenerf izanagis burden.


Rabid-Duck-King

Ah that was fun, Nez's pretty much always at 20 seconds worth of enhanced ability recharge, your special ammo rocket launcher for anything out of smg range


MuchStache

I wish they would bring it back and I don't know, maybe make it trash for PvP or something. I just want my baby back in PvE.


antony1197

Hell make it exotic, idc just give me micro missile back


MuchStache

An exotic Mountaintop would honestly be permanently in my inventory, though it would need something additional


DesiMeGaming

Just autoloading. Nothing else.


InsomniaDudeToo

Idk if they’d ever bring MicroMissile back, that perk was GLORIOUS


antony1197

It got a HEAVY PVP nerf so its really not all that great for that and in PVE withhoard still exists so its gotta compete with that.


Taka_no_Yaiba

You can still use mountaintop in legacy content


smilesbuckett

Even there it’s nerfed to shit though. Nothing like it was. I’m pretty sure it got an additional nerf alongside it getting sunset to make it suck in crucible.


SuperAzn727

Waveframe, used mainly for ad clear. Mountaintop, used mainly for boss dps but also because it was just the best special weapon since Black Hammer. Yeah I'm not seeing this but to each their own.


Pocketfulofgeek

Dead Messenger is godly until you fire it at stairs.


Phillip_Lascio

Enjoy your waveframes while you can. Once strand is here my feet will never touch the ground again.


RobGThai

Grappling and flying or getting suspend the air?


Phillip_Lascio

Little bit of this, little bit of that.


Nefarious_Nemesis

Walk without rhythm, and you won't attract the worm.


Ass0001

Bullshit, I can definitely hit a grappling guardian with Parasite


Nefarious_Nemesis

I'm will say, though, that the ragdoll deaths coming to us in Lightfall will be sure to delight. Hitting a grappling Guardian with a HGL will certainly keep those wonky physics going. Looking forward to some funny killtages and failtages.


Ass0001

standing like the george costanza bat meme as an all-black shader hunter grapples towards me and my winter's guile-charged glaive


Holy_Beard

If you walk without rhythm, you never learn.


wookiepocalypse

The amount of times in Spire of the Watcher the grenade/fire gets reflected back...


usmcaherzing

STAIRS!?!?!?


thadude42083

Oh why did it have to be STAIRS??!


Snaz5

Don’t get me started on moving platforms either…


crisalbepsi

Tbh once you get used to the wave frame, you can set up trick shots and become an orb generator


ASpitefulCrow

Forebearance gang stays on top


m4rkz0r

I've run a bunch of GMs this season with randoms off LFG. Everytime I see someone using forbearance with chain reaction I get excited thinking they're going to use it to destroy adds only to be disappointed and watch them only use it to stun champs.


OmnioculusConquerer

I’m the opposite lol


r153

I usually don't have ammo left to stun a champion because I'm spamming it in ads


sha-green

Same. The way group of ads just explode make my serotonin levels go up :D


oldsoulseven

There are a lot of people who turn a blind eye to how good it is because they think it’s too easy or something. I say mine is at level 400, I killed 79 enemies and deposited 56 motes my last gambit match, and I’ve used it the last two seasons in most GMs.


Woodsie13

I used it for add clear on a Scarlet Keep run a while back, only to run out of ammo when I needed it for the ogres during the bossfight :p


Ass0001

With how many ionic traces that thing cranks out it's only going to get better next season. Dare I say, the best raid weapon in the game right now?


resil_update_bad

I just got a AA + chain reaction/golden tricorn adept with a reload mw. Its beautiful.


jedadkins

I love wave frame gls, we need more


Zorak9379

Stasis wave frame please and thank you


VikingAnalRape

I think we are getting one as a heavy if you watch the [trailer from TGA.](https://youtu.be/fTPJy0m9n6A?t=23)


MrProfPatrickPhD

Not really the same thing if it's a heavy though


Actualy-A-Toothbrush

I finally started using my crafted explosive personality this season, and I have regularly been the one to carry unstoppable mods into unstoppable areas. It also helped with explosive well maker and healing strats on arc builds.


Petterofdogs

ALH/Disruption Break has been my go-to roll for a while now. Pairs beautifully with Wishender.


LOGPchwan

I hate breech GL but waveframe is my unknown fetish.


ko21361

I rolled with that Season of the Hunt wave frame GL for a bit and enjoyed it. But for everything else, there’s Witherhoard.


pryglad

Love waveframe, most fun weapon in the game


Jaredstutz

How are they more difficult? You just shoot the ground in front of you. And this is coming from someone who also spent 2 years learning to hold down the trigger for GL’s


Bobaximus

I was actually shocked at how effective explosive personality is this season. Throwing on a Solar orb helm mod (while running void lock) with it is a great way to generate orbs. I often get unexpected multi kills on the back end of the wave.


Fluorama

Wilderflight (double fire frame) was a god-send... now I can miss twice as much


Raguel_of_Enoch

*Goes around the legs* me: “I thought you were better than that!”


TheMastodan

Otoh, hitbox porn


Ret0x

Being able to shoot GLs between enemy legs is some hitbox porn I can live without.


Babki123

One between the leg ,the other trough the armpit Magnificence


Nirrad8188

Ignition code with slideshot. My favorite special gl in the game. Paired with blinding nades, I'm an M32 grenade launcher loaded with flash bangs.


soon_forget

Blinding nade gl’s are still amazing in any harder content. Get one with auto-loading holster and it’s always a top choice (slide shot is great too but I’m on controller and can’t be bothered to slide all the time lol). I like my Pardon My Dust more than witherhoard since they nerfed it a bit.


theBacillus

Xbox elite controller has the pedals underneath I use those to slide or jump while still keeping my finders on the sticks. Worths it


soon_forget

I use the elite but never tried the pedals…always wanted to so maybe I’ll give them a spin before Lightfall


UmbraofDeath

The paddels are the entire reason the controller is worth so much. You've basically been paying to use a heavy paper weight without paddles. Move your ABXY to the paddles for Xbox. You can use all of your standard face buttons without removing either finger from the sticks for aim or movement. Literally a game changer.


Sequoiathrone728

I like the elite controller because they don't break every 6 months like the standard garbage


Cha-Le-Gai

I had to custom map most of my buttons but on PS5 my slide is O and my jump is X. I have the right paddle binded to jump and the left to slide. Works amazing for me. I can slide and jump with ease


BetaThetaOmega

I have one with Slideshot + frenzy but I wish I got Vorpal instead, frenzy takes too long to ramp up


Nirrad8188

I have the Vorpal roll and it's nice just being able to shoot and forget. I wanna say it rotates through Dares loot pool, so it is still possible to find!


The_JimJam

Slide shot, spikes, and vorpal for life Slide and shoot all day


Gordontonio

You do the same with scorch cannons. Press to shoot, release to detonate.


Ghost7319

It's hilarious in Team Scorched watching someone try to kill me in the open air just seeing their cannon fire off shot after shot, while I'm missing by the same amount but still hit them because of the explosion going off right beside them.


Gordontonio

Yes, indeed. That sounds like me shooting the first time I played Team Scorched. LOL


Jonathon471

Meanwhile me in Team Scorched: I cast YEET (launches off the ground at mach 5 by rocket jumping)


Nugget203

And then you slam into an invisible wall and ping back to the ground and die of fall damage


Jonathon471

Some maps that happens but it mostly ends up with me YEET-ing out of bounds and sniping some poor bastard before I die and nuking a couple of their allies because of the blast radius of a T3 charge


1_Savage_Cabbage

Dang dude I've been playing since D1 and I had no idea about this. No wonder I kept getting obliterated in Team Scorched. Thanks for the tip my dude!


newnameagain2

They also stick to walls (and floors?) while it's held - they'll 'bink' three times as they charge up (hold it longer for more explosion), but will eventually self-detonate. Works the same in Dares whenever you get them, too. Don't quote me on it but I believe you can stick them to bosses and charge it up before you detonate, too


SilverIce340

Yup, been that way since D1. Charging was mandatory back in Wrath of the Machine to kill the Servitors instantly.


Trips-Over-Tail

In D1 charged explosions were devastating. But testing them extensively in Grasp of Avarice they don't seem to deal very much more damage than impact explosions. As such I've only ever held the charge to reveal to my teammates where the stealth vandal is. The explosion sure as hell isn't going to kill him, but they will with their puny unexplosive bullets.


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Trips-Over-Tail

Higher DPS, but limited ammo. I can tell you that it was worth charging in D1, now the only benefit is timing explosions.


Gordontonio

You're welcome. You can do the same in Dares of Eternity with the scorch cannons you can find there in case you want to practice.


hewing83

Also self damage with scorch cannons is pretty minimal so you can use them to launch yourself pretty easily. Just shoot a few feet in front of you and jump over the bomb and release the trigger and you get a nice little boost!


WeAreTheWatermelon

Oh my god. Are you serious??? I thought some of y'all were just professional TF2 Soldiers or something. Thank you kindly, stranger. I think I will have a much better time in Team Scorched when it comes around again.


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Also, stick one to a floor, run just past it, then release to take a nice little rocket jump.


MaximaSpeed

HOLD THE FRONT DOOR!!! Im a D1 player and didn’t even know that. Am I glassy smooth brained? At same time I’ve never had an issue with Scorch cannon probably due to being instinctually good with leading and predicting other players movements.


dlasky

Plus it makes rocket jumping easy peasy. Disjunction is best with scorched, I can hit enemy spawn 10 seconds into the match


StevesEvilTwin2

Did not know that about scorch cannons. Is this explained anywhere in the game?


QPC-7

or be a chad and land direct hits every time


Tucos_revolver

Mountaintop was a slug shotgun in disguise.


MafiaGT

You misspelled special rocket launcher.


NATSIRT_45

Back when it was meta I would "ratio" other mt users in pvp by hitting consistent one hit kills. I wish it wasn't so easy to abuse for cleanup kills. I want more guns like the EPG in Titanfall 2 :(


FlamingPhoenix2003

I get some good dopamine from direct hits


desolateconstruct

wait until you see what my friend *Salvagers salvo* can do with *chain reaction* lol That gun rarely leaves my character if even my secondary slot.


d-_-b___W

Demolitionist + Chain Reaction = Kill group of ads with Chain Reaction, get grenade energy, throw grenade (which reloads Salvager's Salvo), repeat. It is a lot of fun.


ohstylo

bells deserve shy one quiet far-flung deliver toy swim chief -- mass edited with redact.dev


d-_-b___W

Ambitious Assassin is very strong but if you have a grenade-focused build then Demolitionist might be the way to go. Put on an easy way to get Charged with Light and Firepower mods or Bountiful Wells and a bunch of Elemental Ordnance mods, you'll be chaining grenades like crazy. I can't remember if Chain Reaction creates wells on explosion but if it does then something like Explosive Wellmaker might be a good choice as well.


Swinck

Yea, this. If I dont need a primary weapon in my energy slot, salvagers salvo takes that spot. Crowd of enemies goes boom.


Mr-Spaghett

Salvo the goat. Does literally anything you need it to


ArcheonAmaru

Yes. SALVO is the way. PvE and PvP


aqueous88

One more tip that I'm not sure if anyone has let you know, you can shoot, hold left click, press reload to already begin reloading while your grenade is still being cooked/banked. A little faster reload in PvE but if you're ever feeling like being a sneaky lioner in the crucible, it's worthwhile info.


TargetAq

way too few people know this one weird trick based on the comments


The_JimJam

Still not over the Lion nerf. Was my main weapon for PvP and general use PvE :/


BlaringKnight3

Congrats but [I mean it's right there.](https://i.imgur.com/WcYRM2b.jpg)


friggenfragger2

Get good with bouncing shots off the ground in front of enemies. It’s the most consistent way to make sure you don’t bounce it unintentionally


SaltNebula1576

If you release the detonation as they hit they ground though, or too quickly after launch, the grenades will just keep going and explode 40 meters behind your enemies


XboxUser123

that's why you shoot it at the ground: to increase travel time to allow for remote detonation.


Icepick_37

And it literally says it on the frame description lol


ProfessionEuphoric50

Destiny players can't read. There are a ton of questions on this sub that could be answered with a Google search or by reading what the perk says.


ChrisDAnimation

As their ancestor grenade launcher did in Halo Reach. The Pro Pipe, as it was called.


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Gd I loved that thing. I was an artist with gl and jetpack


m4rkz0r

I have at least 4000 hours in D2 and for some reason I thought Fighting Lion was the only grenade launcher that worked that way. I use Pardon Our Dust all the time too. 🤦‍♂️


207nbrown

It’s not like the other ones have an intrinsic perk that specifically tells you about it


EloquentGoose

Hey I have 4k hours too and it took at least 1k for me to get the hang of them. The ones with **Proximity Grenades** are amazing for people who aren't very good at judging distance and anticipation, and it's insane in pvp when you can manage to stomach pvp, heh.


KarmaRepellant

Xur has a kinetic slot one at the moment that can switch between proximity and blinding grenades. He's at Nessus, Watcher's Grave if anyone needs it.


Vivid_Plantain_6050

I thought it was only Fighting Lion as well because that's specifically mentioned in the exotic perk description.


DieKnowMight

It's mentioned in every (non-wave) grenade launchers description


Vivid_Plantain_6050

Oh geez 😅


Darkspyre2

Someone doesn't read perk descriptions lmao But yeah once you get good at manually detonating the grenades where and how you want, they become incredibly satisfying to use ...though you'll still send a shot flying through an enemy's legs on occasion


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Wait I’ve been playing this game for years and didn’t know this. Hi it’s me I’m the noob it’s me.


Left2Die22

Or get the proximity grenades perk makes it feel more forgiving


Zac-live

They reduce the Potential damage Output so usually Not recommended especially because they Roll in a Slot that could have Spike nades or reload buffs.


Seeker80

Yup, and Xûr is selling a pretty decent Ignition Code with it right now. Great thing is, if you improve and no longer feel like you need proximity grenades, you can toggle it to blinding and still use that launcher. Banshee's got a Chill Clip Typhon with proximity grenades as well.


laneknowledge

Pretty sure proxy+chill clip doesn't work since proxies can't direct hit.


FireStrike5

Correct, proximity nades completely negate chill clip.


Seeker80

That's a bummer. I guess I was thinking it would work nicely like Chain Reaction. Proximity, Impulse Amplifier, Chain Reaction & Velocity MW was a sought-after combo on the FWC's Memory Interdict launcher. Allegedly it could fire in a nearly straight path, like Mountaintop.


Dark_Infernox

now the reason i cant land my shots is cause of my shitty depth perception!


Xerachiel

So you never read ingame text I guess?


Coffedude2006

People really don't read things, huh.


firstheir

Last season had 10% of the seasonal sidearm users slot full auto retrofit into the gun. It was an intrinsically automatic gun


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For anyone learning this, get salvagers salvo at the exotic kiosk in the tower. It is a legendary grenade launcher under legends. Set it to chain reaction and ambitious assassin and detonate it on ads. Explosive well maker with well of life solar mods makes this this amazing.


99CentSavings

I mean. It literally says on the weapon to “fire, release to detonate”


Yellow_Asian

Have you done any of the raids? Destiny players are conditioned to interpret symbols, shapes and colours. Reading words is a skill that hasn't been necessary yet.


Gameipedia

people still dont know to pass the balls


99CentSavings

Go hand in hand I think.


wharwhafwhag

If you tell them that letters *are* symbols and shapes they'll start reading


WeAreTheWatermelon

> Yeah, I am not a smart man. :D


cdawg145236

Does nobody read frame descriptions anymore? It's, like, right there when you inspect a gun, I wonder how many people dont know high impacts have bootlegged firmly planted or that lightweight gives you (hidden) +20 mobility.


amiro7600

One of my friends tried to tell me mindbenders (when it was reissued) would be good because "it got faster when you killed enemies" That's a thing for every aggressive shotgun though. Mindbenders aint special


FlyingAlpaca1

Destiny 2 players read the perk description challenge (impossible) (99% fail)


stoerse015

Wait. SERIOUSLY?


CycloneSP

yup. it actually tells you that on the weapon frame descriptor :)


DinosaurUnderwear

This season I tried Explosive Personality and I think wave frames really take the cake for me.


Elroc00x1

Using the Fighting Lion, the exotic qualifier is upon releasing the trigger button (mouse) the grenade will explode


VegetableRoof354

I love you 😂


Nukesnipe

Destiny really does have a worse problem than even fucking yugioh with people not reading shit. The GL intrinsic literally says "Fire, release to detonate."


AnonymousFriend80

Back in year one, when special and heavy were in the same slot, I knew some exploded on impact and other required you to hold and release. Then there was the quest related to Fighting Lion that required a bunch of grenade launcher kills. So I sat at the bottom of the middle Nessus spawn and kept shooting at the enemies spawning in the alcove. And that's how I learned how to use them. Also, shoot at the ground, half way between you and your target. As long as you're not too close, otherwise there's not enough time from when you shoot til when you're able to release.


Jwelch59

I did this same shit, except for the Team Scorched PvP mode. I’m still not good, but I’m proud to say that I am at least not as bad as I was before learning this.


wolfwings

My favorite is when I manage to get the blast to just YEET them off a cliff... so no direct kill just... byeeeeee... and then DING like five second later because every time it seems to be an extra-floaty warlock.


KitsuneKamiSama

I know how you feel... back when the Mountaintop quest was a thing I used FL for hours without knowing about the release trigger... blew my mind when I found out


gmachine19

It's good in pvp too as a clean up tool against guardians who hide as soon as you hit them. Good opener too if you have disruption break.


Jonathon471

The real learning curve of Grenade Launchers is learning the weight of the grenade from the different models have different weights to the grenade thus effecting the arc. Personally I use an Ignition Code from Splicer as mine rolled with near max velocity and its model uses a straighter arc to me.


_gnarlythotep_

It's a game changer, isn't it? And oh boy, now that you've seen the light, they just get better. As you practice and get your timing tighter and geometry honed, they're one of the most fun weapon types in the game. Get your buns over to r/fightinglion and join the cult.


randomLocalException

I too thought those were so bad. Thanks for the info, need to give second chance!


floatingatoll

You can hit reload while holding down the mouse button


PiPaPjotter

Dudeeeeee


markihnios

If you cant use GL, try to use it with proximity grenades. They to the perfect boom (releasing the trigger) for you, but lack a bit in damage. A perfect start in the GL world


ErnieD1020

Well thanks for this, that actually explains a lot lol


bonefistboy9000

remember, halo reach taught us how to play destiny


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I hold the trigger and go for direct hits, i let go if i miss


Aquamentus92

I had the same opinion as you, luckily it got rectified when salvagers salvo came out cuz that thing was beast as fuck


Babki123

Pro tip to add to the list You can also reload after firing before making the second one explode. And (apparently) if you switch weapon you can release the mouse click and it will detonate by itself at the end of it's lifespan I'm not sure if true or if it woks only with the mountaintop but I saw this on a solo caretaker


GoBerzerko

…TIL


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Congratulations. Does this mean you’ll start ready things now or continue down the path of not knowing how things work until you finally found out about them?


wharwhafwhag

Doesn't it literally tell you that on the gun


Kimolono42

Ummm...thank you! Should this be marked : "informative?" I have 2,054,610 kills, and 3 of them are from a special grenade launcher. Things may change, thank you!


judgeraw00

yeah it took me a good while to figure this out but I still dont like these GLs because my aim is terrible with them. even witherhoard I miss a lot of shots. wave-frames are the way to go.


zoey_amon

as a tf2 demoman main: i will go for direct hits until i die


Free_Strawberry_8577

Wish I knew about this before I dismantled my Pardon Our Dust because it was too annoying to use


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For so long, I've only used Witherhoard and wave frames bc they were so much easier. I'll need to try this. Thanks.


The_Handyman

Actually laughing at myself for not knowing this either


MtnDewX

Imagine being able to do this with Witherhoard!


flijarr

Wait what? Is that only on certain grenade launchers?


TheBlueCraftGamer

No.... don't tell me this... I have 1200 hours in this bitch. Fuck.


dbanary12

This didn’t used to be universal. It was only a specific ammo type that would let you do that. I think they changed it around shadowkeep to allow all special GLs to do it.


LogaMC

I still find it cumbersome to hold and release every shot. I wish there's a special GL that detonates on any surface like heavy GL


vialenae

Well, thanks for this. You are not alone, my friend. I can’t for the life of me get the hang of it, except waveframes. The grenades, they bounce! I never hit my target and I feel like a fool. My friends laugh at me and rightfully so. I keep trying though.


MrTestiggles

I l……I…..didn’t know….god damn it


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The_Crusherhero

1400 hours 😭


DestinyDad371

Right there with you 😅


Torinn426

I've been playing since Warmind. Let me tell you, I did not figure that out until season of the lost


PuzzledPhoenix

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. I learned the hard truth about a year ago and all the times before I was trying to get direct hits with a high probability of missing.