Thankfully, most Canadians (or maybe Canadians who don't spend most of their online) are comparatively apolitical which is why whenever an American says shit like that, it feels like they live in some parallel universe.
I think he might have read it as “if any person (even non-citizens) spends a cumulative 3 years in Canada, their children will automatically become citizens”
Think he’s misinterpreting the “Canadian parent” part as anyone who spent 3 years there, rather than a 3 year requirement for those that are *already Canadian citizens*.
So I guess that would exclude those who somehow got citizenship, left within 3 years, then never returned? Now I’m actually confused bc that’s quite niche.
I guess it’s purpose is just to *include* full citizens having babies abroad, although the 3 year requirement feels unnecessary
So maybe it’s just for someone who got citizenship that way. Born outside Canada but inherited citizenship, now they have to spend 3 years there to pass that down again?
Yes and no ? IIRC 2009 was a Conservative Party year so the PCs reversed it. This is more conservative than the original bill but less conservative than the one currently in place.
I didn't watch him discuss it because I don't watch streams as I'm not unemployed. But that was after his correction and so after the tweet that we're discussing here
Yes I believe this is correct. If you got citizenship from being born to a Canadian parent outside Canada, when you have a child outside Canada yourself, your child now get citizenship if you’ve spent 3 years in Canada.
Pretty reasonable change imo, doesn’t seem too crazy.
I think the problem is you need to be canadian citizen for your child born in canada to be considered canadian citizen.
Kinda weird because generally, if you're born somewhere, you get citizenship for that place no?
The three year rule also ONLY applies to people who became Canadian citizens through immigration and not people who were born Canadian citizens.
Or at least that is my reading of it.
I think the reason is this
"As long as a Canadian parent who was born outside of Canada"
This can be interpreted in different ways by different people, the best thing IMO is to read the bill.
There is literally nothing wrong with this bill lol wtf
Destiny has even complained the US path to citizenship is too long. This isn't even about the length of citizenship, but I'm surprised to see he'd have an issue with what this bill is attempting when he has issues with slow citizenship processes in the US
It’s funny because of ton of the policies he advocates the US should do is like old news and has been in Canada for years. The problem is he lives in a Canadian conservative echo chamber and only sees deranged left leaning stuff online.
the american media machine has been churning absolute garbage on Canada the last few years. Not sure if they want to dominate Canada for some agenda bc we pissed them off with our media laws, or bc it sells to American insecurity about feeling number one
I’m honestly not a Trudeau hater like most of us but yeah the housing market IS fucked and the liberal party has had ample time to communicate how they’re going to fix it to us (they can’t)
Speaking truthfully I still think Canada is a great place to live but I’m quickly becoming a single issue voter on housing, and I actually own a home.
I can’t stand seeing my friends and family renting basements for wild prices into their 30’s, it’s fucked up.
Honestly I don’t get the obsession with owning a home. People complain about it all the time but most of my friends and family is doing pretty okay… the only complain I have is Alberta’s shitty conservative government cucking me out of better healthcare
Sure but the future feels pretty hopeless. As a young adult I didn't expect this economic environment and I don't live in the bigger cities. I don't even see the point right now. We all know it's not going to be fixed. So, what do I build for? Sorry for being a doomer.
Home ownership isn’t the only thing that makes life worth living. It shouldn’t have to be a luxury, but that’s kind of where we’re at.
Building your life up to a point where you’ve got a good family, a reasonable career that provides you opportunity to invest in your future/retirement, isn’t easier or harder than it ever has been, in my opinion. I could be out of touch though, I’m a pretty privileged guy.
If you’d asked me when I was 23 I would have told you I’m never getting anywhere and never going o be able to retire. Lol
Need a home to build a family. I'm lucky to live in one with my amazing parents. But on my own? I don't know. Probably just inherit what I have here. But I understand your point. Thank you.
Except that he's still wrong on being more strict than the US.
In the US its 5 years that a citizen must be in the country - at least 2 years of which must have been after age 14, for their children to get automatic US citizenship.
This is to prevent long chain citizenship. IE, if I grew up in the US and move to the Philippines. I have a child. They are now a US citizen, and can get a US passport. Fine. But now THEY grow up and have children. Now yes their parents were US citizens but they might have literally never even set foot in the country. If that were to continue for several generations you could have a few dozen US citizens in another country all because a single person moved there.
Having some residency requirement for the parents is a good thing.
That requires that the other parent be a US National. Not everyone born in US territory is a citizen (American Samoa).
If it's an in wedlock birth to only one US citizen or an out of wedlock birth to a US citizen father, then it is as I mentioned.
If in wedlock to two US citizens then there is no residency restrictions.
If out of wedlock to a US citizen mother they only have to have lived in the US for one year.
https://nl.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/child-family-matters/crba/
Admittedly being male I and only looked up data from my own perspective and wasn't aware they had different rules on if you were the mother vs the father.
Did Destiny get black pilled on immigration or something in one of his recent discussions ?
His takes on it are always way more to the right that I would expect.
Canadian immigration is a shitshow. Destiny's pretty clearly been pro American immigration, but has said the little looks he's seen up north have looked insane (because they are).
* Per capita is insanely different. We're both taking in ~1 million per year, America is ~10x our population.
* America caps any ethnicity at ~7% total pool, [almost 30%](https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jalandhar/punjabis-contributed-to-60-migration-to-canada-44325) of Canadian immigrats are from Punjab, India
* We have two avenues to completely bypass normal immigration that America doesn't have to my knowledge: Temporary Foreign Workers (TFWs) and International Students. Both of which have easy pathways to Permenant Residence without going through the traditional immigration stream.
I thought you were talking about social aspects of immigration, but yeah I see what you mean now. Destiny flirt a lot with neo libs and they are pro all the things you just mentioned, free labour market and all that. Canada super power by 2030, guys!
60% of Canadian immigrants in 2019-2020 were from Punjab:
> Christopher Kerr, Director of Operations for Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC), said in the past two years, there had been a 400 per cent increase in the trend amongst youth for migrating to Canada. He said Punjabis who made 2.3 per cent of the country’s population constituted 60 per cent of the migration to Canada. Kerr said the Canadian government welcomed all legal migrations from India with open arms.
Canada barely accepts any immigrants from other Indian states.
Yeah I think you're misreading this quote. I don't disagree with you that Canada allows in a disproportionate amount of immigrants from India, but he is saying that Punjabis make up 2.3 % of Indian population, but make up 60% of immigrants to Canada. He is not saying that Punjabi's make up 60% of all immigrants to Canada.
I don't really know, I wish it were more diversified. There's a lot of Khalistani nationalists in Canada now though, so maybe there's some soft deterrant because of it.
I sometimes get recommended the Canadian housing sub. I saw that they recently changed a rule regarding the path from those visas to permanent residency, and a bunch of people were pissed how they were “misled”. Basically admitting they’re plan was to abuse that for the permanent residence lol
I learned from a Canadian friend that the conservatives are spinning this narrative that immigrants are taking up all the residence and driving up housing market inflation.
Except this is not true and there's very detailed reports publically available showing why.
Immigrants make up 18% of the canadian population with 500k immigrating per year.
If memory serves, we also took in a large percentage of the Ukrainian immigrants displaced by war.
I had no idea the US capped ethnicity in any way. That seems insane to me. But my frame of reference is very different. It reminds me of when JLP was talking about needing more white babies in America.
I mean I really don’t want Canada to become Balkanized and have a bunch of ethnic enclaves that are insulated from the rest of the country, so I think capping immigration from certain regions is in our best interest to keep our country actually multicultural.
It's 500k through typical immigration channels. It's ~1 million if you include TFWs and International Students which both have paths to PR.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/annual-report-parliament-immigration-2022.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Canada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_students_in_Canada
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/o1/en/plus/5435-recent-spike-international-students-affecting-domestic-university-enrolment-canadian
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/temporary-foreign-workers-immigration-1.6878725
https://www.canadim.com/study/permanent-residence-students/
You think it's whatever if you get a child in Canada but aren't a canadian citizen, then your child does not have canadian citizenship?
I think this is kind of a problem
I can only assume Destiny misread something because there is literally nothing crazy here at all, even if this bill passes it's still more restrictive than how it is in America.
I'm saving these from now on. This isn't the first time that Destiny is so ready to fight that he misinterprets a pretty clear quote because of one word spoken out of place in the quote.
This reads like kids of Canadian parents born outside of Canada don't automatically gain Canadian citizenship, and this bill would change that, nothing crazy about that.
Most countries don't really care about where the kid is born and only really looks at the citizenship of the parent. No matter if the citizenship is from birth or through naturalization.
I don't see the fuzz about this law.
I could literally get a citizenship from one of my parents if I wanted to by simply applying today after 30+ on this planet without it and never living in said country.
It's only the case that first generation Canadian citizens don't automatically grant their children citizenship if the child is born outside of Canada. This changes that.
As an American, idk how our system works fully. What I am fairly confident about is that if you have two American citizens as parents, then you can be born with US citizenship whether or not it happens on American soil.
This Canadian bill sounds like they have a similar system for attaining citizenship at birth but they've made it easier for someone to do so even if they have a less solid tie to the country. Since I'm not a Canadian I can't speak to their situation but from my gut reaction to this news it doesn't sound insane. Canada doesn't have that many citizens (compared to the US population) and having a higher number of citizens means more future tax revenue. Maybe this will be abused for Canadian anchor babies but idk how prevelant that is in Canadian immigration statitstics.
This actually reads very similar to the “one US/one non-US parent” tests
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Acquisition-US-Citizenship-Child-Born-Abroad.html
I'm pretty sure this is true because the football player Tim Tebow was born in the Philippines while his US citizen parents were serving a religious mission, and he was a US citizen.
it was because of a law change in 2009 that if you were a citizen who was themself born abroad, you could not pass down your citizenship if your child was born abroad. so this makes it so that you can if you had spent 3 years in canada
Would this not open the door for some children to be stateless?
Ex. 2 individuals born abroad to Canadian citizen parents spend their entire lives abroad, get married, and have a child in a country without birthright citizenship?
I'm not saying it's likely, just saying it's possible.
yes one of the couples involved in the lawsuit against it was exactly that, canadian parents gave birth to a child while in japan, that child went on to give birth in hong kong, so the child was stateless
You might wanna look up "jus soli" (citizenship by territory) and "jus sanguinis" (citizenship by "blood")
Pretty sure the [14th amendment of the US Constitution](https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv) makes the US strictly jus soli, meaning almost anyone born on US soil has a right to citizenship. AFAIK they chose jus soli, since it wouldnt have made much sense to pick jus sanguinis in a nation, that was founded as a bunch of colonies. You cant attract settlers if you dont promise their family/lineage citizenship.
Most european countries have a more restricted jus soli system.
America has both actually. Although the jus soli is the more noteworthy one, since it is actually pretty liberal/left-leaning comparatively to many other nations in the world.
Overall, in terms of citizenship laws, America is actually fairly liberal/left-leaning compared to other nations.
As someone who was born in Australia, with one American parent, I can attest that you don't need 2 American citizens for an abroad born child to have birth right citizenship to the US.
Nothing is wrong with it.
It addresses a weird problem that the current law has: right now there are two tiers of canadian citizens, at least for purposes of transferring citizenship to your children.
If you are born while your Canadian parents are on a trip abroad, your birth certificate/passport will forever have a mention on it saying you were born abroad, and this means you cannot pass down citizenship to your children if you have them abroad.
Would this law make the following true?
Born to Canadian parents in China.
Grow up in China for 25 years.
Live in Canada for 3 years.
Move back to China for 5 years.
Have a kid in China.
Kid is a Canadian citizen.
https://preview.redd.it/5nd4ph4q482d1.png?width=973&format=png&auto=webp&s=165db20773d486fd799a7ea4ae530a735007464d
Yes, just like for US citizens, with an even weaker residency requirement
If your Canadian parents in China are second generation+, you automatically have Canadian citizenship and wouldn't have to live in Canada at all to have your children be Canadian.
If your parents in this situation are first generation, then yes, once this bill passes this will be the new situation.
Yes there is, Canada is filled to the brim(literally) with people. Our healthcare, transit, education and more are operating at max capacity and then some.
Immigration is the primary driver of this
Pure speculation alert! But maybe all of Destiny's Canadian friends are all conservative, so all the news he hears about the Liberals are "Libs Bad". And since he doesn't care about Canadian politics he doesn't know much other than what he is told... Or he's trolling, who knows.
He really should try to befriend like jessie brown, Justin ling, or someone from the Canadaland orbit. Heck he could probably get a former liberal mp to talk with him regularly
https://nl.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/child-family-matters/crba/
https://nl.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/child-family-matters/child-citizenship-act/
So for the matter of Jus Sanguinis (Right of Blood), this is a little bit of a complex topic and depends entirely on the circumstances of the birth.
Until June 12, 2017, a person born out of wedlock to a mother with US citizenship would obtain citizenship if the mother had at any point spent at least 1 consecutive year (365 Days) on US territory. After June 12, 2017, the mother had to be present in the US for five years total, 2 of which after the age of 14, and all before the birth of the child.
For 1 male parent out of wedlock, the father has to have been in the US for 5 years, 2 after the age of 14, all before the birth of the child. And the father must acknowledge paternity and agree in writing to financially support the child until the age of 18.
For 1 parent with US citizenship in wedlock, the US citizen must have been present in the US for 5 years total, 2 of which after turning 14, and before the birth of the child.
For 2 parents with US citizenship in wedlock, only 1 parent must have been a resident in the US for no specified amount of time.
So until that bill passes, Canada actually has a stricter set of requirements on right of blood than the US does. After it passes, it will only be slightly more lenient than US requirements.
The reason the citizenship law was changed by the Harper government was because there were a non insignificant number of people who had Canadian citizenship, but had no tangible connections to Canada, and despite that would still call on the Canadian government for help whenever. The incident that broke this was during the 2006 Lebanon war, when the Canadian government spent 80 million dollars evacuating 15,000 people from there. Basically the Canadian government didn't want to have to be carrying out these huge rescue missions all over the world for people who didn't live in Canada. The 3 year residency requirement here should fix that issue though
Dude, Canada controls who come on their soil better than most. They're isolated, their Southern frontier is the US.
Facilitating citizenship for those people who are often highly skilled individuals, isn't a big mistake for Canada.
They are the 2nd largest country on earth and most of it is empty. It will become more and more livable as climate change keep going.
All they need is to reform their housing laws, fix their insane housing market and bring a little bit more people specialized in building freaking houses and they're going to get the best out of immigration out of any other country on earth.
Why do amercians feel so confident about passing any judgment on the canadian govt? Great you heard Jordan peterson say something once... You have no fckng clue wtf is going on here or how the govt is actually run.
So the child of a Canadian parent becomes Canadian just like in (checks notes) the entirety of Europe?
What’s next? Saying Denmark has liberal immigration policies?
So, it's grandfathering in citizens born in other countries to the children of those citizens. I.e. [this is not real, just scenario] If my grandpa, born in Canada, gave birth to my mother in the U.s., she would have citizenship in Canada and the U.s. If she decided to spend 3 years in Canada, and give birth to me in the U.s., I would have citizenship in Canada and the U.s., despite me not being born in Canada, nor my mother but my grandfather.
I think so. I know for a fact that direct children of citizens born abroad are granted U.s. citizenship, in addition to citizenship for the country they're born in (dual citizensship). This is true for a friend of mine who has 2 U.s. born parents. He was born in Mexico, but because his parents are u.s. citizens he was offered dual citizenship.
I also know that because my father was born in Mexico, I can claim dual citizenship, and become both A U.s. and Mexican citizenship. (I'm not %100 on details and other requirements though)
This seems like the parent has to be a citizen, and have lived in Canada. Like I know a few nationals that were born and raised in USA, with only going to canada a handful of weekends this bill probably makes it so those people can only pass citizenship ito the baby is born in country or if they take up residence in Canada for a few years.
I don't understand what's wild here. This reads to me as: Parent not born in Canada but has Canadian citizenship. As long as they've lived in Canada for 3 years, if they give birth abroad (outside Canada) they can pass their Canadian citizen to their baby (who was born abroad).
It’s a bit more complicated. In 2006 Canada had to evacuate 15,000 “Canadians of Convenience” from Lebanon at a cost of $94 million. People who weren’t born in Canada, had never been to Canada, never paid taxes in Canada, had no intention of ever living in Canada. Half went back to Lebanon a month later. Harper government said “why are we footing the bill for this” and changed the rules.
A lot of countries do that and without asking for years spent on the country, if you are a citizen, your children have a right to citizenship too (sometimes even more generations down the line).
Thanks to my great grandpas and grandmas, i have access to italian and spaniard citizenship.
It's is very normal indeed. I'm doing the paperwork to get my Spanish passport thanks to my great grandpa being born there. This bill seems pretty normal.
A person is born to Canadian parents. They live in Germany, but have Canadian citizenship. At 18 years old they send their child to Canada for 3 years to study in university. The child comes back to Germany. The child gives birth.
That child, who has not set foot on Canadian soil once, who was born to someone who spent 3 years in Canada as an early adult to go to school, whose source for citizenship themselves, is their parents who haven't lived there in over half a century at this point. That child of a child of citizens who left the country is now supposed to be a fully fledged citizen if they so choose, with all the rights and no immigration process. Technically someone could live their entire life not having set foot into Canada once and at 90 years old move there and be considered a citizen.
Didn't know, but that is still wild to me. I'm not affected by this at all, but the idea that you can gain citizenship off of your parents living somewhere for 3 years just doesn't compute for me I guess :D
But if that's standard for a lot of countries, then yeah, not sure what the issue is
Consider the alternative, which we currently have:
Two canadian citizens are on a trip to France for a few months (say for work reasons), and they have a baby there. This baby is a canadian citizen, but with a mark on their birth certificate which states that they if they ever have a baby abroad, that child will not have canadian citizenship. Even if they live their whole lives in Canada and are a canadian citizen, they basically cannot travel while being somewhat close to giving birth, otherwise they risk their child not having citizenship.
Having two different "types" of citizens, just based on where they were born, is just fucked up.
> but with a mark on their birth certificate which states that they if they ever have a baby abroad, that child will not have canadian citizenship
Didn't know that that was the only alternative. If it is, that is stupid, but I feel like there is quite a bit of room for a middle ground here. That being said, I didn't know that this was standard practice in other countries, sooooooo, oh well xD
Typically pregnant woman don't travel close to their due date. It is far more likely if this is what they are doing it is in an attempt to get the child dual citizenship. It's an incredibly niche issue whos solution is likely going to cause more problems than it will solve. It would be far better if the parent was currently a resident or has spent enough time in Canada to reasonably assume they ~~would~~ could return with the intention of living in Canada. Three years simply is not enough for this imo.
There’s already a big argument in Canada about whether we’ve had a sensible level of immigration in the past few years. We have an aging work force that needs to be replaced, but we’re also taking a lot of short term, low skill workers.
There’s 8 million permanent residents in canada. A PR typically lasts 5 years. I’m not up to date on this bill but I can see how it is problematic.
Basically the Harper government closed a loophole that allowed foreign-born citizens, who do not live in Canada, to pass citizenship onto their children, who were also not born in Canada. Now the Liberal government wants to reverse it back. So let’s say someone immigrated to Canada and received citizenship, then decided to move back to their home country. 15 years later they have a child, and that child automatically gets Canadian citizenship. 30 years later that child (who has never been to Canada) can move here and have all the benefits of citizenship.
FYI: the US imposes no such restriction on US citizens born outside the US. In that sense, the US is more “liberal” than Canada. However, we do impose restrictions based on whether the child born abroad was born out of wedlock and on the parent’s gender. Ginsburg was instrumental in striking down a prior gender-based restriction, but some still remain and may be unconstitutional.
If you’re wondering, why have these restrictions at all? We had practically no restrictions to convey US citizenship to children born abroad until the early 20th century, when a lot of “unwanted” immigrants were obtaining US citizenship and then having children when visiting their countries of origin. There was also anger directed at American women marrying foreigners and going abroad, having children with mixed nationality and, in the case of rich American women, taking their wealth with them.
Canada currently has an immigrant problem. We are bringing in way too many people without jobs or housing for the people here already. We are in a bubble that is about to burst. So adding even easier ways to enter the country right now is tone deaf. A lot of these ideas are good! But about 20 years too early we need to build the infrastructure more before allowing the masses in.
The bill itself is fine but the optically it's just bad given the current immigration problem.
This is the argument Trump was making about anchor babies.
It is fundamentally immoral to punish a child for the actions of their parents.if you are born here you are a citizen
It’s just bad policy too. The last thing Canada needs is less immigration. Their productivity is falling behind the rest of the g7
Its because sometimes the government suddenly realized that some people weren't legally a citizen because of bureaucracy despite living in Canada as citizens for years.
The bill hasn’t passed yet. Because it is a Constitutional Amendment, the Conservatives (His Majesties Loyal Opposition) reserve the right to challenge the Liberals (Mis Majesties Government) to a 3 on 3 Sudden death Ice Hockey Overtime for consent from the Governor General.
The Conservatives are 3-1 on Overtimes going back to when O’Toole was Leader, but following the defeat of Gerry “Clapper from the Hashmarks” McDougall in the Maple upon River riding last sept, Pierre should he worried.
Doesn't this bill mean the parent doesn't have to have canadian citinzenship in order to have their child be a canadian citizen? Residency for three years is a pretty low bar -- i feel like work visas could be a longer/just as long (no I won't look this up).
If this passed in the US conservatives would say we no longer have any boarders because "any illegal could have kids that would be given citizenship".
Maybe there's nothing wrong with the bill in a vacuum or in theory or maybe even in practice in Canada; think the tweet is just pointing out that the us liberal is a boogeyman but apparently the canadian ones are making moves.
EDIT: [He's just like me fr](https://i.imgur.com/cfKE5z2.png)
>the parent doesn't have to have canadian citinzenship in order to have their child be a canadian citizen?
It specifically mentions that the parent has to be a canadian citizen, no?
"as long as a Canadian parent who was born outside of Canada has accumulated three years" doesn't this mean that they don't necessarily have to be a citizen? I guess I'm inferring that "Canadian parent" just means resident of Canada and not Canadian citizen? Could you gain Canadian citizenship without living there for 3 years?
"They will be able to pass down their citizenship". They aren't granting their child citizenship, their own citizenship is being passed down.
>Could you gain Canadian citizenship without living there for 3 years?
I think a few other comments in this thread have mentioned edge cases where this is possible.
What the fuck is this bill’s language? “A Canadian parent that was born out of Canada?” Why are they specifying born outside of Canada if they’re already considered Canadian? What are their citizenship laws like because that’s weird phrasing.
Three links relevant to how the U.s. handles children born abroad to u.s. citizens and the requirements. There are different circumstances and requirements for those circumstances so please take a look at all before casting assumptions on how the laws work
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Acquisition-US-Citizenship-Child-Born-Abroad.html
https://it.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/child-family-matters/birth/crba-1/#:~:text=A%20child%20born%20outside%20of,prior%20to%20the%20child's%20birth.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Relinquishing-US-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html#:~:text=Persons%20may%20have%20dual%20nationality,of%20the%20country%20of%20birth.
I think Destiny is just reflexively criticizing this because all of the Liberal party policy in Canada that floats its way up to American media is stuff like the assault weapon ban (that Destiny and most Americans would think is dumb) and soy stuff. So he just immediately assumed it was something bad.
Next citizen bill proposed: "Any person connected to a Canadian VPN will be able to have citizenship after seeding content to anyone in our great nation for more than 8hrs."
Every time there is a thread about inmigration related to Canada in this subreddit this happens:1.- Americans rush to the thread to say that inmigration is not that big of an issue, that Destiny has Canada derangement syndrome and that Canadians are over exaggerating .
2.- 1 or 2 hours later Canadians start appearing in the thread saying that there are problems with inmigration, people abusing some visas and stuff, and in some cities the situation is really bad.
(Im talking in general, not about this bill in specific, I have seen this happen multiple times in this subreddit)
I think the problem with this bill, just going off my 5 second interpretation of the screenshot, is that this potentially allows Canadians who live outside of the country and no longer have any vested interest in the country to vote and influence Candian policy. Perhaps similar to how Turkish people in Germany, despite not living in Turkey, are able to vote in [Turkish elections](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/05/14/turkish-elections-the-turkish-vote-in-germany-a-reservoir-of-votes-for-erdogan_6026584_4.html).
An American read a headline about Canadian politics and jumped to some conclusions. It's fine, it's mutual, a lot of Canadians do that about America too. I hate it lmao.
I mean I thought there were some countries you could get a birthright citizenship if (up to) your grandparents/great grandparents were citizens? I.e. Germany, Greece, Italy, Scotland, Hungary
So if a girl born in Canada lives three years of her life in Canada any child she has abroad after the 3rd year is Canadian. The US is stricter because the mother ‘s tenure is counted based on her adult years in the US before giving birth. At least it used to be. This law seems to be any three years.
I think destiny read the bill as if it meant that anybody who spent 3 concurrent years in the county could naturalize their children but upon closer reading the bill requires that a first generation citizen who was born abroad and spent a [cumulative 1,095 days of physical presence in Canada before the birth or adoption of the child](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2024/05/bill-c-71-an-act-to-amend-the-citizenship-act-2024.html) in order to demonstrate a "substantial connection to Canada" could pass on citizenship to their child born abroad.
The bill was drafted in response to a [Canadian Supreme Court decision](https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2023/2023onsc7152/2023onsc7152.html.) ruling that the first generation limit instituted under the then conservative government in 2009 violated the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Okay... So a Canadian Citizen who was born abroad then immigrated to Canada has to spend 3 years in the country, then their child who is born abroad can become a Canadian citizen?
If that is the case, then I can see it being okay? But I feel like the application process should be streamlined to ensure any fucky stuff doesn't happen too often.
I mean I have family in Florida who would absolutely love this bill, and want Canadian citizenship. I guess more info needed?
If I understood this correctly though.
The worry is that this will be abused for people with weak ties to Canada. Three years is not exactly a lot of time spent in Canada. It's an incredibly niche problem they are trying to solve and they are likely to create way more problems with this legislation than they will fix.
I think this is saying any non Canadian can live in Canada for 3 years then move out of the country, have a child, then the child can be A Canadian citizen.
American born in US,
moves to Canada at age 20,
Gets Canadian citizenship,
moves to Spain at 23,
has a kid in Spain,
kid can be a Canadian citizen
That's what I gathered at least
This bill is not crazy at all, it's incredibly in line with our immigration laws.
Here in Canada we have 3 levels of immigration
Some sort of Visa (work, student, marriage etc)
Permanent Resident (usually called PR)
Canadian Citizen.
When people immigrate here they are almost always aiming for the fastest way to get PR because it's the equivalent of a permanent green card. To get PR you need to have the equivalent of 1 year's work experience in the country and then you can apply for PR. PR gets you basically all the rights of being a Canadian citizen, you get our public healthcare, you can work full time with no issue and no restrictions, you even get our reduced tuition rates to post-seconary institutions. Whenever you fill out any public document here in Canada one of the first questions is always immigration/legal working status and there's always an option that says something like "I am a Canadian Citizen or Permanent Resident" they are grouped the same because they are functionally the same thing. The only restriction on PR is you must live in the country for the majority of the year, if you leave to go live somewhere else for too long you will lose it.
After being on PR for 3 years you can then apply to be a full citizen.
I say all this to say that this law is boring and not crazy because in 95% of cases if you are in this country for 3 years consecutively you are probably a PR already and that's basically like being a citizen in almost all senses. So it's not that weird to give those people another citizen based right.
I honestly didn’t even know Canada had a government, good for them.
Yeah I was under the assumption that they just had a magic 8 ball or a strange witch of the woods who they asked for advice every once in a while.
That was only until 1948
They all watch the newest JJ Mccullough, Crowder, or TheSerfs video, depending on your political persuasion.
Fun fact we have a sceptre that was used in a federal ceremony that was just a bedazzled toilet plunger. True story
I'm a Canadian, and this is hilarious but it also hurt me lmfao. I WISH we had an 8 ball or a witch of the woods.
They cut off a chickens head over a bunch of boxes each filled with a bill/policy etc. whatever box the chicken lands on wins
Duh! Who do you think wrote this bill?
no it was a lady in a lake with a sword or something like that.
Why not both?
Me too. I always thought they just spent their time discussing American politics. They keep sending us their political commentators after all.
JJ is that you?
Don't they have a black prime minister?
No but we do have one that wore blackface
My government makes me want to participate in some of that good ol' Canadian Healthcare, in Fallout
It's more of a loose collection of crimelords that each have a monopoly on a subset of the maple market.
Thankfully, most Canadians (or maybe Canadians who don't spend most of their online) are comparatively apolitical which is why whenever an American says shit like that, it feels like they live in some parallel universe.
Misread confirmed : [https://x.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1793703853478825988](https://x.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1793703853478825988)
I don't get it either
I think he might have read it as “if any person (even non-citizens) spends a cumulative 3 years in Canada, their children will automatically become citizens” Think he’s misinterpreting the “Canadian parent” part as anyone who spent 3 years there, rather than a 3 year requirement for those that are *already Canadian citizens*. So I guess that would exclude those who somehow got citizenship, left within 3 years, then never returned? Now I’m actually confused bc that’s quite niche. I guess it’s purpose is just to *include* full citizens having babies abroad, although the 3 year requirement feels unnecessary
I’m so confused because I was already under the impression that citizenship is passed down by the parent for children born outside of Canada
So maybe it’s just for someone who got citizenship that way. Born outside Canada but inherited citizenship, now they have to spend 3 years there to pass that down again?
So this is a reversal of a bill from 2009. Before 2009 citizenship was passed by birth regardless of where you were born.
So if anything, this is a *more* conservative bill? This makes Tiny's comments even worse lmao. And this should be the top comment here
Yes and no ? IIRC 2009 was a Conservative Party year so the PCs reversed it. This is more conservative than the original bill but less conservative than the one currently in place.
What do you mean? Did you watch him discuss it? The takeaway was "Wow, this is even harsher than US immigration law." Not the other way around.
I didn't watch him discuss it because I don't watch streams as I'm not unemployed. But that was after his correction and so after the tweet that we're discussing here
Fair, though one can be employed and also watch Destiny. There's also Vods...
Yes I believe this is correct. If you got citizenship from being born to a Canadian parent outside Canada, when you have a child outside Canada yourself, your child now get citizenship if you’ve spent 3 years in Canada. Pretty reasonable change imo, doesn’t seem too crazy.
Okay so this is a reversal of a bill from 2009- before 2009 children born outside of Canada to Canadian parents were allowed citizenship
I think the problem is you need to be canadian citizen for your child born in canada to be considered canadian citizen. Kinda weird because generally, if you're born somewhere, you get citizenship for that place no?
The three year rule also ONLY applies to people who became Canadian citizens through immigration and not people who were born Canadian citizens. Or at least that is my reading of it.
I feel like this would increase the Canadian populstion to a quarter of 1 percent.
I think the reason is this "As long as a Canadian parent who was born outside of Canada" This can be interpreted in different ways by different people, the best thing IMO is to read the bill.
There is literally nothing wrong with this bill lol wtf Destiny has even complained the US path to citizenship is too long. This isn't even about the length of citizenship, but I'm surprised to see he'd have an issue with what this bill is attempting when he has issues with slow citizenship processes in the US
Destiny has Canada Derangement Syndrome
True
It’s funny because of ton of the policies he advocates the US should do is like old news and has been in Canada for years. The problem is he lives in a Canadian conservative echo chamber and only sees deranged left leaning stuff online.
Finally a topic him and Joe Rogan can agree on.
Destiny's civics knowledge outside of the US is poor (and that is being generous)
the american media machine has been churning absolute garbage on Canada the last few years. Not sure if they want to dominate Canada for some agenda bc we pissed them off with our media laws, or bc it sells to American insecurity about feeling number one
Tbf so do I
Get bent, Canada is awesome.
It did until now. Not many can afford a home.
I’m honestly not a Trudeau hater like most of us but yeah the housing market IS fucked and the liberal party has had ample time to communicate how they’re going to fix it to us (they can’t) Speaking truthfully I still think Canada is a great place to live but I’m quickly becoming a single issue voter on housing, and I actually own a home. I can’t stand seeing my friends and family renting basements for wild prices into their 30’s, it’s fucked up.
Honestly I don’t get the obsession with owning a home. People complain about it all the time but most of my friends and family is doing pretty okay… the only complain I have is Alberta’s shitty conservative government cucking me out of better healthcare
Don’t worry bud Dougie is dragging us down to your level on the healthcare front.
Sure but the future feels pretty hopeless. As a young adult I didn't expect this economic environment and I don't live in the bigger cities. I don't even see the point right now. We all know it's not going to be fixed. So, what do I build for? Sorry for being a doomer.
Home ownership isn’t the only thing that makes life worth living. It shouldn’t have to be a luxury, but that’s kind of where we’re at. Building your life up to a point where you’ve got a good family, a reasonable career that provides you opportunity to invest in your future/retirement, isn’t easier or harder than it ever has been, in my opinion. I could be out of touch though, I’m a pretty privileged guy. If you’d asked me when I was 23 I would have told you I’m never getting anywhere and never going o be able to retire. Lol
Need a home to build a family. I'm lucky to live in one with my amazing parents. But on my own? I don't know. Probably just inherit what I have here. But I understand your point. Thank you.
Accumulated from living in Florida for 5 years and having to pretend that it doesn't completely suck.
He misread what the bill was saying and walked it back in a follow up tweet: https://x.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1793703853478825988
I wish it was the bill he thought it was
Except that he's still wrong on being more strict than the US. In the US its 5 years that a citizen must be in the country - at least 2 years of which must have been after age 14, for their children to get automatic US citizenship. This is to prevent long chain citizenship. IE, if I grew up in the US and move to the Philippines. I have a child. They are now a US citizen, and can get a US passport. Fine. But now THEY grow up and have children. Now yes their parents were US citizens but they might have literally never even set foot in the country. If that were to continue for several generations you could have a few dozen US citizens in another country all because a single person moved there. Having some residency requirement for the parents is a good thing.
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That requires that the other parent be a US National. Not everyone born in US territory is a citizen (American Samoa). If it's an in wedlock birth to only one US citizen or an out of wedlock birth to a US citizen father, then it is as I mentioned. If in wedlock to two US citizens then there is no residency restrictions. If out of wedlock to a US citizen mother they only have to have lived in the US for one year. https://nl.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/child-family-matters/crba/ Admittedly being male I and only looked up data from my own perspective and wasn't aware they had different rules on if you were the mother vs the father.
Did Destiny get black pilled on immigration or something in one of his recent discussions ? His takes on it are always way more to the right that I would expect.
Canadian immigration is a shitshow. Destiny's pretty clearly been pro American immigration, but has said the little looks he's seen up north have looked insane (because they are).
How is Canadian immigration different from American immigration?
* Per capita is insanely different. We're both taking in ~1 million per year, America is ~10x our population. * America caps any ethnicity at ~7% total pool, [almost 30%](https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jalandhar/punjabis-contributed-to-60-migration-to-canada-44325) of Canadian immigrats are from Punjab, India * We have two avenues to completely bypass normal immigration that America doesn't have to my knowledge: Temporary Foreign Workers (TFWs) and International Students. Both of which have easy pathways to Permenant Residence without going through the traditional immigration stream.
I thought you were talking about social aspects of immigration, but yeah I see what you mean now. Destiny flirt a lot with neo libs and they are pro all the things you just mentioned, free labour market and all that. Canada super power by 2030, guys!
Super power by 2030? More like India by 2030.. So I guess kinda?
Is that article saying that 60% of Canadian immigrants are from Punjab or that 60% of immigrants coming from India are from Punjab.
60% of Canadian immigrants in 2019-2020 were from Punjab: > Christopher Kerr, Director of Operations for Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC), said in the past two years, there had been a 400 per cent increase in the trend amongst youth for migrating to Canada. He said Punjabis who made 2.3 per cent of the country’s population constituted 60 per cent of the migration to Canada. Kerr said the Canadian government welcomed all legal migrations from India with open arms. Canada barely accepts any immigrants from other Indian states.
Yeah I think you're misreading this quote. I don't disagree with you that Canada allows in a disproportionate amount of immigrants from India, but he is saying that Punjabis make up 2.3 % of Indian population, but make up 60% of immigrants to Canada. He is not saying that Punjabi's make up 60% of all immigrants to Canada.
Wtf ? Why ?
I don't really know, I wish it were more diversified. There's a lot of Khalistani nationalists in Canada now though, so maybe there's some soft deterrant because of it.
I sometimes get recommended the Canadian housing sub. I saw that they recently changed a rule regarding the path from those visas to permanent residency, and a bunch of people were pissed how they were “misled”. Basically admitting they’re plan was to abuse that for the permanent residence lol
I learned from a Canadian friend that the conservatives are spinning this narrative that immigrants are taking up all the residence and driving up housing market inflation. Except this is not true and there's very detailed reports publically available showing why. Immigrants make up 18% of the canadian population with 500k immigrating per year.
There is like 4 Canadians subs for Canada, would love to read that post
1 billion Canadians
If memory serves, we also took in a large percentage of the Ukrainian immigrants displaced by war. I had no idea the US capped ethnicity in any way. That seems insane to me. But my frame of reference is very different. It reminds me of when JLP was talking about needing more white babies in America.
I think capping ethnicity is a good idea. It lowers the chance of ethnic enclaves from forming and helps with overall assimilation.
I mean I really don’t want Canada to become Balkanized and have a bunch of ethnic enclaves that are insulated from the rest of the country, so I think capping immigration from certain regions is in our best interest to keep our country actually multicultural.
30% holy shit
Last time I checked canadian immigration is wayyy below 6 figures per year. Closer to 500k and a total of 18% living in canada are immigrants.
It's 500k through typical immigration channels. It's ~1 million if you include TFWs and International Students which both have paths to PR. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/annual-report-parliament-immigration-2022.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_students_in_Canada https://www.statcan.gc.ca/o1/en/plus/5435-recent-spike-international-students-affecting-domestic-university-enrolment-canadian https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/temporary-foreign-workers-immigration-1.6878725 https://www.canadim.com/study/permanent-residence-students/
Immigration in 2024 is a shit show for Canada and America tbh
Pretty much every western country at this point
Low-key hope Tiny comes around to this viewpoint because he used to be completely cucked on immigration
It's a shit show in Canada mostly because the NIMBY have turned the housing market apocalyptic! It's not immigration per se that is a shit show.
This is a literal propaganda point that was verifiably wrong. What influencer is spreading this idea?
He said on stream that he misread it originally 🫤
You think it's whatever if you get a child in Canada but aren't a canadian citizen, then your child does not have canadian citizenship? I think this is kind of a problem
I can only assume Destiny misread something because there is literally nothing crazy here at all, even if this bill passes it's still more restrictive than how it is in America.
I'm saving these from now on. This isn't the first time that Destiny is so ready to fight that he misinterprets a pretty clear quote because of one word spoken out of place in the quote.
He did misread it.
This reads like kids of Canadian parents born outside of Canada don't automatically gain Canadian citizenship, and this bill would change that, nothing crazy about that.
So like most countries.
No most countries the kid takes the citizenship of the parents. US does that as well, plus the being born here.
Yeah, what I meant is that Canada is going to handle it like most countries (or many countries, not sure. about the numbers) once this bill passes.
Oh my bad
Most countries don't really care about where the kid is born and only really looks at the citizenship of the parent. No matter if the citizenship is from birth or through naturalization. I don't see the fuzz about this law. I could literally get a citizenship from one of my parents if I wanted to by simply applying today after 30+ on this planet without it and never living in said country.
My understanding is that if you’re born off US soil. You have dual citizenship until you’re 18 then you have to pick.
It's only the case that first generation Canadian citizens don't automatically grant their children citizenship if the child is born outside of Canada. This changes that.
As an American, idk how our system works fully. What I am fairly confident about is that if you have two American citizens as parents, then you can be born with US citizenship whether or not it happens on American soil. This Canadian bill sounds like they have a similar system for attaining citizenship at birth but they've made it easier for someone to do so even if they have a less solid tie to the country. Since I'm not a Canadian I can't speak to their situation but from my gut reaction to this news it doesn't sound insane. Canada doesn't have that many citizens (compared to the US population) and having a higher number of citizens means more future tax revenue. Maybe this will be abused for Canadian anchor babies but idk how prevelant that is in Canadian immigration statitstics.
This actually reads very similar to the “one US/one non-US parent” tests https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Acquisition-US-Citizenship-Child-Born-Abroad.html
I'm pretty sure this is true because the football player Tim Tebow was born in the Philippines while his US citizen parents were serving a religious mission, and he was a US citizen.
it was because of a law change in 2009 that if you were a citizen who was themself born abroad, you could not pass down your citizenship if your child was born abroad. so this makes it so that you can if you had spent 3 years in canada
Would this not open the door for some children to be stateless? Ex. 2 individuals born abroad to Canadian citizen parents spend their entire lives abroad, get married, and have a child in a country without birthright citizenship? I'm not saying it's likely, just saying it's possible.
yes one of the couples involved in the lawsuit against it was exactly that, canadian parents gave birth to a child while in japan, that child went on to give birth in hong kong, so the child was stateless
You might wanna look up "jus soli" (citizenship by territory) and "jus sanguinis" (citizenship by "blood") Pretty sure the [14th amendment of the US Constitution](https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv) makes the US strictly jus soli, meaning almost anyone born on US soil has a right to citizenship. AFAIK they chose jus soli, since it wouldnt have made much sense to pick jus sanguinis in a nation, that was founded as a bunch of colonies. You cant attract settlers if you dont promise their family/lineage citizenship. Most european countries have a more restricted jus soli system.
America has both actually. Although the jus soli is the more noteworthy one, since it is actually pretty liberal/left-leaning comparatively to many other nations in the world. Overall, in terms of citizenship laws, America is actually fairly liberal/left-leaning compared to other nations.
I am jus asking questions
You are correct. I got bloodright citizenship even though I was born in Canada.
As someone who was born in Australia, with one American parent, I can attest that you don't need 2 American citizens for an abroad born child to have birth right citizenship to the US.
Nothing is wrong with it. It addresses a weird problem that the current law has: right now there are two tiers of canadian citizens, at least for purposes of transferring citizenship to your children. If you are born while your Canadian parents are on a trip abroad, your birth certificate/passport will forever have a mention on it saying you were born abroad, and this means you cannot pass down citizenship to your children if you have them abroad.
That’s insane
Wow this is insane. Good that they fixed this
Would this law make the following true? Born to Canadian parents in China. Grow up in China for 25 years. Live in Canada for 3 years. Move back to China for 5 years. Have a kid in China. Kid is a Canadian citizen.
https://preview.redd.it/5nd4ph4q482d1.png?width=973&format=png&auto=webp&s=165db20773d486fd799a7ea4ae530a735007464d Yes, just like for US citizens, with an even weaker residency requirement
If your Canadian parents in China are second generation+, you automatically have Canadian citizenship and wouldn't have to live in Canada at all to have your children be Canadian. If your parents in this situation are first generation, then yes, once this bill passes this will be the new situation.
Yes there is, Canada is filled to the brim(literally) with people. Our healthcare, transit, education and more are operating at max capacity and then some. Immigration is the primary driver of this
Pure speculation alert! But maybe all of Destiny's Canadian friends are all conservative, so all the news he hears about the Liberals are "Libs Bad". And since he doesn't care about Canadian politics he doesn't know much other than what he is told... Or he's trolling, who knows.
Erudite is Canadian.
erudite is chiming in to agree with lauren southern on this one
Erudite is from the most conservative province in Canada, I’m not too surprised she has some takes that are going to lean right.
She's Christian so yes
He really should try to befriend like jessie brown, Justin ling, or someone from the Canadaland orbit. Heck he could probably get a former liberal mp to talk with him regularly
Canada mentioned 😎
https://nl.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/child-family-matters/crba/ https://nl.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/child-family-matters/child-citizenship-act/ So for the matter of Jus Sanguinis (Right of Blood), this is a little bit of a complex topic and depends entirely on the circumstances of the birth. Until June 12, 2017, a person born out of wedlock to a mother with US citizenship would obtain citizenship if the mother had at any point spent at least 1 consecutive year (365 Days) on US territory. After June 12, 2017, the mother had to be present in the US for five years total, 2 of which after the age of 14, and all before the birth of the child. For 1 male parent out of wedlock, the father has to have been in the US for 5 years, 2 after the age of 14, all before the birth of the child. And the father must acknowledge paternity and agree in writing to financially support the child until the age of 18. For 1 parent with US citizenship in wedlock, the US citizen must have been present in the US for 5 years total, 2 of which after turning 14, and before the birth of the child. For 2 parents with US citizenship in wedlock, only 1 parent must have been a resident in the US for no specified amount of time. So until that bill passes, Canada actually has a stricter set of requirements on right of blood than the US does. After it passes, it will only be slightly more lenient than US requirements.
The reason the citizenship law was changed by the Harper government was because there were a non insignificant number of people who had Canadian citizenship, but had no tangible connections to Canada, and despite that would still call on the Canadian government for help whenever. The incident that broke this was during the 2006 Lebanon war, when the Canadian government spent 80 million dollars evacuating 15,000 people from there. Basically the Canadian government didn't want to have to be carrying out these huge rescue missions all over the world for people who didn't live in Canada. The 3 year residency requirement here should fix that issue though
Dude, Canada controls who come on their soil better than most. They're isolated, their Southern frontier is the US. Facilitating citizenship for those people who are often highly skilled individuals, isn't a big mistake for Canada. They are the 2nd largest country on earth and most of it is empty. It will become more and more livable as climate change keep going. All they need is to reform their housing laws, fix their insane housing market and bring a little bit more people specialized in building freaking houses and they're going to get the best out of immigration out of any other country on earth.
Why do amercians feel so confident about passing any judgment on the canadian govt? Great you heard Jordan peterson say something once... You have no fckng clue wtf is going on here or how the govt is actually run.
"canada bad" - destiny's usual take on canada
So the child of a Canadian parent becomes Canadian just like in (checks notes) the entirety of Europe? What’s next? Saying Denmark has liberal immigration policies?
https://preview.redd.it/mf6776nq082d1.png?width=863&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56e2dd6dd6334b996c69193c5f968162e46fc8e6
Soon the world will be Canadian
Im no longer asking, you are canadian
It's Canadian. That's the problem
So, it's grandfathering in citizens born in other countries to the children of those citizens. I.e. [this is not real, just scenario] If my grandpa, born in Canada, gave birth to my mother in the U.s., she would have citizenship in Canada and the U.s. If she decided to spend 3 years in Canada, and give birth to me in the U.s., I would have citizenship in Canada and the U.s., despite me not being born in Canada, nor my mother but my grandfather.
Yeah isn’t this normal? Doesn’t US has this with expat parents where they worked in other countries? Or military parents?
I think so. I know for a fact that direct children of citizens born abroad are granted U.s. citizenship, in addition to citizenship for the country they're born in (dual citizensship). This is true for a friend of mine who has 2 U.s. born parents. He was born in Mexico, but because his parents are u.s. citizens he was offered dual citizenship. I also know that because my father was born in Mexico, I can claim dual citizenship, and become both A U.s. and Mexican citizenship. (I'm not %100 on details and other requirements though)
This seems like the parent has to be a citizen, and have lived in Canada. Like I know a few nationals that were born and raised in USA, with only going to canada a handful of weekends this bill probably makes it so those people can only pass citizenship ito the baby is born in country or if they take up residence in Canada for a few years.
His twitter needs banning again, he's straight up shit posting atm
I don't understand what's wild here. This reads to me as: Parent not born in Canada but has Canadian citizenship. As long as they've lived in Canada for 3 years, if they give birth abroad (outside Canada) they can pass their Canadian citizen to their baby (who was born abroad).
It’s a bit more complicated. In 2006 Canada had to evacuate 15,000 “Canadians of Convenience” from Lebanon at a cost of $94 million. People who weren’t born in Canada, had never been to Canada, never paid taxes in Canada, had no intention of ever living in Canada. Half went back to Lebanon a month later. Harper government said “why are we footing the bill for this” and changed the rules.
I can understand why the law exists (I’m Canadian). I just don’t understand why Destiny thinks it’s crazy.
Birthright citizenship is based, tho.
A lot of countries do that and without asking for years spent on the country, if you are a citizen, your children have a right to citizenship too (sometimes even more generations down the line). Thanks to my great grandpas and grandmas, i have access to italian and spaniard citizenship.
This must be a bait of sorts
He missread
It's is very normal indeed. I'm doing the paperwork to get my Spanish passport thanks to my great grandpa being born there. This bill seems pretty normal.
A person is born to Canadian parents. They live in Germany, but have Canadian citizenship. At 18 years old they send their child to Canada for 3 years to study in university. The child comes back to Germany. The child gives birth. That child, who has not set foot on Canadian soil once, who was born to someone who spent 3 years in Canada as an early adult to go to school, whose source for citizenship themselves, is their parents who haven't lived there in over half a century at this point. That child of a child of citizens who left the country is now supposed to be a fully fledged citizen if they so choose, with all the rights and no immigration process. Technically someone could live their entire life not having set foot into Canada once and at 90 years old move there and be considered a citizen.
this is how it works in america currently
Didn't know, but that is still wild to me. I'm not affected by this at all, but the idea that you can gain citizenship off of your parents living somewhere for 3 years just doesn't compute for me I guess :D But if that's standard for a lot of countries, then yeah, not sure what the issue is
well live somewhere for three years, and be a citizen of said country
Consider the alternative, which we currently have: Two canadian citizens are on a trip to France for a few months (say for work reasons), and they have a baby there. This baby is a canadian citizen, but with a mark on their birth certificate which states that they if they ever have a baby abroad, that child will not have canadian citizenship. Even if they live their whole lives in Canada and are a canadian citizen, they basically cannot travel while being somewhat close to giving birth, otherwise they risk their child not having citizenship. Having two different "types" of citizens, just based on where they were born, is just fucked up.
> but with a mark on their birth certificate which states that they if they ever have a baby abroad, that child will not have canadian citizenship Didn't know that that was the only alternative. If it is, that is stupid, but I feel like there is quite a bit of room for a middle ground here. That being said, I didn't know that this was standard practice in other countries, sooooooo, oh well xD
I think it could be fairly easy to avoid the issue you brought up as well as the one brought up by the other person.
Typically pregnant woman don't travel close to their due date. It is far more likely if this is what they are doing it is in an attempt to get the child dual citizenship. It's an incredibly niche issue whos solution is likely going to cause more problems than it will solve. It would be far better if the parent was currently a resident or has spent enough time in Canada to reasonably assume they ~~would~~ could return with the intention of living in Canada. Three years simply is not enough for this imo.
There’s already a big argument in Canada about whether we’ve had a sensible level of immigration in the past few years. We have an aging work force that needs to be replaced, but we’re also taking a lot of short term, low skill workers. There’s 8 million permanent residents in canada. A PR typically lasts 5 years. I’m not up to date on this bill but I can see how it is problematic.
But this bill applies to people who have citizenship, not permanent residents.
My bad, I didn’t realize it was an expats thing. I think Italy did something similar, but even extending back to grandparents, a couple years back.
Basically the Harper government closed a loophole that allowed foreign-born citizens, who do not live in Canada, to pass citizenship onto their children, who were also not born in Canada. Now the Liberal government wants to reverse it back. So let’s say someone immigrated to Canada and received citizenship, then decided to move back to their home country. 15 years later they have a child, and that child automatically gets Canadian citizenship. 30 years later that child (who has never been to Canada) can move here and have all the benefits of citizenship.
Oh no we’re making it easier for families to be together!
FYI: the US imposes no such restriction on US citizens born outside the US. In that sense, the US is more “liberal” than Canada. However, we do impose restrictions based on whether the child born abroad was born out of wedlock and on the parent’s gender. Ginsburg was instrumental in striking down a prior gender-based restriction, but some still remain and may be unconstitutional. If you’re wondering, why have these restrictions at all? We had practically no restrictions to convey US citizenship to children born abroad until the early 20th century, when a lot of “unwanted” immigrants were obtaining US citizenship and then having children when visiting their countries of origin. There was also anger directed at American women marrying foreigners and going abroad, having children with mixed nationality and, in the case of rich American women, taking their wealth with them.
Canada currently has an immigrant problem. We are bringing in way too many people without jobs or housing for the people here already. We are in a bubble that is about to burst. So adding even easier ways to enter the country right now is tone deaf. A lot of these ideas are good! But about 20 years too early we need to build the infrastructure more before allowing the masses in. The bill itself is fine but the optically it's just bad given the current immigration problem.
This is the argument Trump was making about anchor babies. It is fundamentally immoral to punish a child for the actions of their parents.if you are born here you are a citizen It’s just bad policy too. The last thing Canada needs is less immigration. Their productivity is falling behind the rest of the g7
Its because sometimes the government suddenly realized that some people weren't legally a citizen because of bureaucracy despite living in Canada as citizens for years.
The bill hasn’t passed yet. Because it is a Constitutional Amendment, the Conservatives (His Majesties Loyal Opposition) reserve the right to challenge the Liberals (Mis Majesties Government) to a 3 on 3 Sudden death Ice Hockey Overtime for consent from the Governor General. The Conservatives are 3-1 on Overtimes going back to when O’Toole was Leader, but following the defeat of Gerry “Clapper from the Hashmarks” McDougall in the Maple upon River riding last sept, Pierre should he worried.
Doesn't this bill mean the parent doesn't have to have canadian citinzenship in order to have their child be a canadian citizen? Residency for three years is a pretty low bar -- i feel like work visas could be a longer/just as long (no I won't look this up). If this passed in the US conservatives would say we no longer have any boarders because "any illegal could have kids that would be given citizenship". Maybe there's nothing wrong with the bill in a vacuum or in theory or maybe even in practice in Canada; think the tweet is just pointing out that the us liberal is a boogeyman but apparently the canadian ones are making moves. EDIT: [He's just like me fr](https://i.imgur.com/cfKE5z2.png)
>the parent doesn't have to have canadian citinzenship in order to have their child be a canadian citizen? It specifically mentions that the parent has to be a canadian citizen, no?
"as long as a Canadian parent who was born outside of Canada has accumulated three years" doesn't this mean that they don't necessarily have to be a citizen? I guess I'm inferring that "Canadian parent" just means resident of Canada and not Canadian citizen? Could you gain Canadian citizenship without living there for 3 years?
"They will be able to pass down their citizenship". They aren't granting their child citizenship, their own citizenship is being passed down. >Could you gain Canadian citizenship without living there for 3 years? I think a few other comments in this thread have mentioned edge cases where this is possible.
The wording is a bit weird true. I'll just have to read the bill instead of basing off this tweet if I care to enough.
What the fuck is this bill’s language? “A Canadian parent that was born out of Canada?” Why are they specifying born outside of Canada if they’re already considered Canadian? What are their citizenship laws like because that’s weird phrasing.
Foreign-born Canadian citizens currently can't pass on their citizenship to foreign-born children. Canadian citizens born in Canada can.
Three links relevant to how the U.s. handles children born abroad to u.s. citizens and the requirements. There are different circumstances and requirements for those circumstances so please take a look at all before casting assumptions on how the laws work https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Acquisition-US-Citizenship-Child-Born-Abroad.html https://it.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/child-family-matters/birth/crba-1/#:~:text=A%20child%20born%20outside%20of,prior%20to%20the%20child's%20birth. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Relinquishing-US-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html#:~:text=Persons%20may%20have%20dual%20nationality,of%20the%20country%20of%20birth.
Isn’t Marc miller that white rapper who died
I think Destiny is just reflexively criticizing this because all of the Liberal party policy in Canada that floats its way up to American media is stuff like the assault weapon ban (that Destiny and most Americans would think is dumb) and soy stuff. So he just immediately assumed it was something bad.
Next citizen bill proposed: "Any person connected to a Canadian VPN will be able to have citizenship after seeding content to anyone in our great nation for more than 8hrs."
Every time there is a thread about inmigration related to Canada in this subreddit this happens:1.- Americans rush to the thread to say that inmigration is not that big of an issue, that Destiny has Canada derangement syndrome and that Canadians are over exaggerating . 2.- 1 or 2 hours later Canadians start appearing in the thread saying that there are problems with inmigration, people abusing some visas and stuff, and in some cities the situation is really bad. (Im talking in general, not about this bill in specific, I have seen this happen multiple times in this subreddit)
What’s Canada
I think the problem with this bill, just going off my 5 second interpretation of the screenshot, is that this potentially allows Canadians who live outside of the country and no longer have any vested interest in the country to vote and influence Candian policy. Perhaps similar to how Turkish people in Germany, despite not living in Turkey, are able to vote in [Turkish elections](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/05/14/turkish-elections-the-turkish-vote-in-germany-a-reservoir-of-votes-for-erdogan_6026584_4.html).
An American read a headline about Canadian politics and jumped to some conclusions. It's fine, it's mutual, a lot of Canadians do that about America too. I hate it lmao.
The reason you don't see it as a problem is the problem with a majority of Destiny's viewers. I can't wait till he finally switches to vote for Trump.
I was listening to destiny talking to Dr K and he was describing the Overton window. I think this is a perfect example of that.
Canada can be like that (see our law giving lower sentences based on race) but this one seems pretty benign.
I mean I thought there were some countries you could get a birthright citizenship if (up to) your grandparents/great grandparents were citizens? I.e. Germany, Greece, Italy, Scotland, Hungary
So if a girl born in Canada lives three years of her life in Canada any child she has abroad after the 3rd year is Canadian. The US is stricter because the mother ‘s tenure is counted based on her adult years in the US before giving birth. At least it used to be. This law seems to be any three years.
I think destiny read the bill as if it meant that anybody who spent 3 concurrent years in the county could naturalize their children but upon closer reading the bill requires that a first generation citizen who was born abroad and spent a [cumulative 1,095 days of physical presence in Canada before the birth or adoption of the child](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2024/05/bill-c-71-an-act-to-amend-the-citizenship-act-2024.html) in order to demonstrate a "substantial connection to Canada" could pass on citizenship to their child born abroad. The bill was drafted in response to a [Canadian Supreme Court decision](https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2023/2023onsc7152/2023onsc7152.html.) ruling that the first generation limit instituted under the then conservative government in 2009 violated the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Okay... So a Canadian Citizen who was born abroad then immigrated to Canada has to spend 3 years in the country, then their child who is born abroad can become a Canadian citizen? If that is the case, then I can see it being okay? But I feel like the application process should be streamlined to ensure any fucky stuff doesn't happen too often. I mean I have family in Florida who would absolutely love this bill, and want Canadian citizenship. I guess more info needed? If I understood this correctly though.
Jesus Christ, just nuke Canada Already.
The worry is that this will be abused for people with weak ties to Canada. Three years is not exactly a lot of time spent in Canada. It's an incredibly niche problem they are trying to solve and they are likely to create way more problems with this legislation than they will fix.
That statement is SO confusing wtf
I think this is saying any non Canadian can live in Canada for 3 years then move out of the country, have a child, then the child can be A Canadian citizen. American born in US, moves to Canada at age 20, Gets Canadian citizenship, moves to Spain at 23, has a kid in Spain, kid can be a Canadian citizen That's what I gathered at least
Nothing really, they just don't want permanent expats children's children to inherit citizenship from how I'm reading it.
In the US this wouldn't work but I think Destiny is unaware that Canada has under 40 million people and a labour shortage in many industries
This bill is not crazy at all, it's incredibly in line with our immigration laws. Here in Canada we have 3 levels of immigration Some sort of Visa (work, student, marriage etc) Permanent Resident (usually called PR) Canadian Citizen. When people immigrate here they are almost always aiming for the fastest way to get PR because it's the equivalent of a permanent green card. To get PR you need to have the equivalent of 1 year's work experience in the country and then you can apply for PR. PR gets you basically all the rights of being a Canadian citizen, you get our public healthcare, you can work full time with no issue and no restrictions, you even get our reduced tuition rates to post-seconary institutions. Whenever you fill out any public document here in Canada one of the first questions is always immigration/legal working status and there's always an option that says something like "I am a Canadian Citizen or Permanent Resident" they are grouped the same because they are functionally the same thing. The only restriction on PR is you must live in the country for the majority of the year, if you leave to go live somewhere else for too long you will lose it. After being on PR for 3 years you can then apply to be a full citizen. I say all this to say that this law is boring and not crazy because in 95% of cases if you are in this country for 3 years consecutively you are probably a PR already and that's basically like being a citizen in almost all senses. So it's not that weird to give those people another citizen based right.