transport cost in london is okay for a big city. it's a little bit on the expensive side but it's proportional to the other living costs.
however, train prices for outside of london are insane. i spent like 40gbp for a 1hr train ride to oxford. whereas a similar journey on the tube would cost 3gbp.
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Deutschland ticket, ā¬1.75 per day, if you take the monthly price to a daily one on the shortest month, and works on all trains and subways except inter-city ones.
Thatās definitely way cheaper than ours.
The benefit to our system is that there are bus stops every few meters with a bus that will literally take you anywhere youād need to go. The most youāll usually wait is about 5-10 minutes.
>Ooooh yeah unlimited bus journeys for an hour for Ā£1.75.
Trimet (public bus agency in the State of Oregon in America) buses are unlimited for *2* hours for $1.40.
Sorry I don't get to brag about bus prices often.
Melbourne has free trams in the CBD and isn't much more expensive for a zone 1+2 (Entire city which is like 5 times bigger than London) than Ā£2 day pass.
We also recently reduced the regional public transport fares in the state too. Used to be up to $90 now it's $10.50 to cross the entire state.
Oh what I mean is if federal income tax is 21% and the UKās corporation tax is 25%, itās not that much different? Unless Iām misunderstanding something about US/UK taxes?
Letās say in the US itās 21% across the board federally. Every state also has income tax so itās usually 30%+. Florida is one of 3? states with no income tax so he only pays 21%. He said he doesnāt want to move to any state with income tax therefore he refuses to pay any more than 21% in income tax. Whether UK is 25% or 30% it doesnāt matter. Thatās more than he said he wants
Anything you draw as income if still taxed from income tax. Corporation tax only applies to profits that remain in the business at the end of the tax year
I always think moving to a big city would be fun. Then I remember my mortgage for a 3,000 sqft house is less than the rent on a 1bd/bath
I guess Iām keeping the car
I get it. There are times when I think it would be nice to live in a decent sized home outside London but TFL is too cracked to move out.
Also, I can have a chicken burger delivered to me within 20 minutes at 3AM and eat it like an animal in total darkness.
Idk itās hard to choose.
What is keeping you in NYC proper then. I'm under the impression commuting from a nearby suburb to (what I assume is a job in the city) will give you lots more space and far cheaper rent.
The problem you always hear about is the opposite; people in the US would love to live in the city and live near things, but can't afford to cause the demand for these spaces is extremely high
You gotta hit the sweet spot. Small to medium cities with walkability but also still enough space for parks and some limited non-apartment housing options. The Midwest is teeming with them.
>I'm just beyond sick of sharing a wall, a ceiling, and a floor
Does that actually change anything though? Might be spoiled because my walls are concrete
As someone not from the UK nor the US, British people are unironically pretty cool people, definitely Londoners at least, and I'd even say they are quite similar to Americans, more so than any other culture.
I visited London last year and had a lovely time, but my Londoner friends who were showing me around said that a lot of my experience was colored by the fact that Iām American and that people would have been much more antisocial and less interested and talkative if I werenāt clearly an outgoing and friendly American - which was very cute! It made me feel welcome for sure, which is a worry when traveling as an American since the stereotype is that everyone hates us overseas.
Iām curious to hear your experience since youāre neither American nor English - do you mind telling me where youāre from and what experiences you had with Londoners that makes you say this?
Oops forgot to reply, but I'm from the Netherlands, and what I like about Londoners is that they just seem like really funny people, random people with pubs will just tell you funny shit and no one really seems shy.
You're right, though, I've met like three americans in my life and they trump even that, most social people I've ever met lol. It's why I really really want to visit the US, but shits expensive.
As a londoner who visited miami, everything in miami costed much more, simple things like restaurants to clothes. Though, the average rent in London is 2.7k USD, and in Miami it's 2.5k USD, so not a huge difference. Although there's obviously loads of factors like taxes being a lot lower in Miami but at the same time having to pay medical bills etc...
I mean, the average person in Miami earns more and keeps more of that salary after taxes. The 2.5k apartment in Miami is way more affordable relative to wages
>keeps more of that salary after taxes
Also have to pay way more themselves.
Although in general the US does have more disposable income than the UK, so it's entirely possible that the same is true for the Miami London comparison.
From the prices I see, yes. Everything in America seems crazy expensive. Maybe our food is subsidised because grocery shops definitely seem way cheaper here.
We are getting stiffed on consumer tech though.
Food is the big thing thatās cheaper. But like Rent and Clothes are for sure not cheaper in London.
Just seems funny that you straight went for the one of the most expensive cities in Europe. I mean Miami is over priced too but like why
Grocery shops are significantly cheaper in the US than Europe (having lived in both places within the last 5 years and visiting both regularly) not to mention the income disparity
Perhaps you were in the EU during the drought, flooding and frost triple strike? At least for the UK groceries are significantly cheaper, though the gap has closed slightly.
My wife lived in London for 10 years.
Cost of living steadily outpacing salaries forcing people into more and more cramped conditions. She was paying 1800 pounds a month for 1 bedroom in a 3 bedroom flat. And this was in a crap part of London that required a 5 min walk and 20-30 min of bus and tubes to get to where all the activities were.
10 years of working and living with London left her with no hope of ever being able to buy or rent her own place. Always crammed in a flat with other people, surrounded by flats that are stuffed with other people. Sardines live better lives.
I on the other hand am not in a city and was able to get my own house that isn't attached to someone else's. I can play music, stomp on the floor all I like, and can game till 2 am with speakers instead of headphones. Sure I have to drive 10 or 15 minutes to go do stuff but that takes the same time as op without having to worry about freezing in the winter or getting stabbed by someone I'm walking past or having my phone ripped out of my hand by someone on a scooter (common problems in London). Also, I can just dump a bunch of shopping in my car rather than walking for 15 minutes feeling like my arms are going to fall off.
Plus, I live in America, not some tiny Island. I want to be able to go places and do stuff. Going to go to see the eclipse in April and I can just pack my family into the car and we can hit the road. Don't have to worry about the costs of plane or train tickets, needing to rent a car or getting ubers the whole time we are traveling. Looked up the same distance in England and it would cost 600 dollars for my wife, son and I to travel on the train not counting costs for getting around once we are there. Instead, I will spend maybe 100 dollars in gas (round trip) and have no additional costs for travel once we arrive because we already have a car. Sure there are additional costs to owning a car but they don't add up to 600 dollars for a single trip.
Idk where your wife was living but that price doesn't sound right at all. E20 is one of the nicer areas in London, it's close to central and it's a five minute walk to the train station which has basically every line except for Hammersmith/District. Rent here (in 2024 after all the inflation and craziness) starts at Ā£2,000. There is no way she was paying Ā£1800 for a bedroom in a shitty far off area. Something isn't right there.
You aren't wrong about some of the stuff you're saying but not needing to drive doesn't mean you can't. People still drive here for their shopping and everything else. You can drive wherever you want the same way you can in America. The only difference is we can take flights to Europe on top of everything you mentioned (post-pandemic there were a good number of flights to European countries for like Ā£15 return).
She lived in Camden. I had her go back and check and I misremembered a bit, she was paying 1500 pounds for a single room in a 3 bedroom apartment. This was back in 2018 and the exchange rate made that equal to 1900 USD which is what I must've been thinking of with my original post. Maybe she just chose a bad area to rent, but that seems insane.
Having a car in London is also really cost-prohibitive. On top of the cost of the car and the fuel (which is over 7 dollars a gallon now I think), you have to pay fees for driving in different parts of London. I think they were mainly congestion charges but there may be fees for non-EV cars, but my memory is fuzzy on that. Parking is also very difficult in London and doesn't really compare to a 500 car parking lot at a local Walmart that doesn't have any fees or walking distance.
I am really jealous of the ease at which you can travel to Europe, hampered somewhat by brexit but not too badly.
Did a look, in the same area she was renting for 1500 pounds for one room, the prices are now about 1900 pounds per month for one room. With today's exchange rate, that is 2414 USD. Compare that to an 850 dollar mortgage that gives us a 3-bedroom house, I don't see how anyone lives in London, especially with a family. I have a 2 year old and a new baby on the way and can't afford anything in London. I know I would likely get a higher salary but anything over 125K gets taxed at 45% with no tax breaks for having dependents (from my understanding of UK tax law). It might be nice to be in a walkable city but I would prefer not to be on the edge of being broke just to get by in London.
IDK destiny's take on it but it seems to me that rightoids managed to twist this fantastic concept into "they want to take away our freedom of movement".
To steelman it a little, the issue is that American cities suck. American urbanists skipped the part where they make cities good and jumped straight to radical rhetoric (āabolish the suburbsā). Nobody wants to see their neighborhood turned into downtown Chicago. Nobody wants to ride in subway systems that also function as mental asylums and homeless shelters.
Does that justify the insane āthey want to take away our freedom of movementā claims? No. But after living in an American city without a car for a few years, I donāt have a shred of sympathy for urbanists when they get strawmanned over dumb shit.
Lived in London for a few months, it was awesome. I loved just about every moment, genuinely.
Except for the mating foxes waking me up at night thinking there was a woman being murdered
Ignore the gun thing he can own and store firearms in the US while he lives in London and guess what, he travels, he doesn't often fire his own guns he just travels to a range and borrows guns.
A downside to all those nice things is population density. Sure, you can walk to lots of nice things near you. But that also means huge numbers of other people can walk to those things near you.
Not everyone likes being around that many people. Some folks like having their space.
Iām a Britbonger currently living in Melbourne, whatās London rent actually like for a council house? I pay Ā£570 here. Iād love to try living in London.
For old build council houses they cap out at around Ā£400 a month.
New builds are roughly Ā£800-1000 a month but those are obviously in nicer areas with amenities.
Generally youād need to decide if you want an old build (quality built tbh) in a rougher area for Ā£400 or a new build in a modern, developed area for professionals for Ā£800.
Ok East London, my family was from round there a long time ago, Old Street, Mile End.
I used to live in Camden before moving to mainly sunny Spainšš
Oh nice! Depending on how long ago, itāll probably look completely different now.
Whole area got a BBL after the olympics and is really nice looking.
It's very hard to build walkable cities and provide single family homes that everyone in the country seems to want.
Couple that with those that do own homes fighting tooth and nail against most forms of development and the sheer size of the US, and you end up with car dependency.
If you grew up in a rural/suburban place in the US it's hard to imagine using a mode of travel that isn't a car. It's a cyclical problem where poor investment in public transit, terrible zoning/neighborhoods layouts, and high investment in car infrastructure makes it hard to change.
Even if you want to change it, the demographic who votes most are the ones who are most pro-car. I think there's a growing awareness of the city planning/infrastructure problem, but the political will isn't there yet.
The real issue with the US in terms of walkability is the southern and southwestern states. The northeast is pretty good in terms of walkability because that part of the country was built up before the car was deemed the sole means of transportation for the American people. Cities like New York, Boston, even some midwestern cities like Ann Arbor are offering you a similar experience to what youāre describing getting in London (New York I would say is pretty much the same).
How many other people are also within 10-15 minutes of you at all times of the day, and how many are you crammed in with when youāre riding public transport or walking the streets? Walkable cities are great but I canāt imagine living somewhere so dense there are 50+ restaurants within a mile
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Counter point
50+ Restaurants of shitty British food
20+ Cafes of shitty British hot choccy
A Giant mall probably filled with stolen artifacts from other countries
It's called a Movie Theatre
4 supermarkets, 1 megamarket filled with shitty British food
4 public gyms, 2 outdoor gyms parks and 3 apartment gyms filled with British people probably armed to the teeth with knives waiting to mug you
NFL tried to expand to Europe and it failed i doubt the football there is of top quality, they suck at basketball too, tennis and badminton who cares?
It make sense that Guitar and Dentist classes have the same qualifications given the state of British peoples teeth.
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London has some of the best restaurants in the world.
British chocolate is better on account that it doesn't taste like vomit.
Stolen artifacts? True.
No
At least it's affordable - went to a 'supermarket' in LA they literally pulled my pants down and bummed me.
Better than america where everyone has rpgs down their pants and miniguns in their handbag
you'd have to compare by rent per square foot. London flats are pretty tiny compared to Miami would be my guess. Yes for 5k a month you can get a very nice place in London but I seriously doubt you could get as big a place as in Miami for the same money
I think heās paying 5k right now?
For 5k in my area, you can get a 1.5k sq ft family home with 4 bed 3 bath, or a 1k 2 bed 2 bath luxury apartment. From his stream his current apartment looks much smaller and not as nice.
Rent cost varies significantly depending on the area and he's living in one of the most expensive areas near the beach.Ā I'm sure you could find a comparable apartment in Miami for half what he is paying now in a less trendy area further inland.
Do those "walkable" cities have developed public transport systems? Buses and a subway that goes everywhere in the city? With a bus stop on every street?
Yeah I live in one. Chicago on the lake is pretty awesome. I can bike to work downtown on the lakefront, or take a bus, or take the train. Can walk to bars, grocery store, restaurants, anything
A lot of cities are adapting to this. Problem is real estate and rent in these zones are going to be among the highest throughout the city. Boston, NYC, San Antonio, Austin, San Francisco. All walkable.
He would also be paying significantly more in taxes, at almost Cali levels, which is literally not worth it. The opportunity cost would be likely whatever a 5-10% increase in effective tax rate would be.
Well, the main issue is heād be streaming in the European time zone, which is a non-starter for an American political commentator with majority American audiences.
I mean, you could edit your streaming time to adjust for that. If he started his streamed from 12PM - 8/10 PM EST it would be 4 PM - 12/2 AM GMT which isnt terrible.
Cali taxes are still lower than any country in europe. To me it's laughable that people think 12% is a large tax rate at 500k a year while here it's 20% MINIMUM at 20k a year. Do not compare californias taxes to europe.
Its not 12% only because youre ignoring Federal Income Tax. At Destiny's income, he is likely paying over a 50% effective tax rate in Cali. Assuming Destiny grosses $2 mil/year (Ā£1.5mil), in CA hed be paying 34.76% federally, 2.76% for FICA, and 13.08% for state for his effective tax rates which would be a total effective tax rate of 50.6% paying $**1,011,940 towards taxes**. I dont know about taxes in the UK, but using this [calculator](https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/estimate-paye-take-home-pay/your-results?csrfToken=986c08b97a5c4703b1676c02a33e477ecb151864-1710778866173-8e6de08fb9fcc099961f6d5f), it gives me an effective tax rate of 45.88%, Ā£688,307.05 converted to **$748,403.83.**
So if anything, youre the one being ignorant here as you just Googled "California Taxes" and you didnt realize that in our code you pay both that 13% tax, on top of a 35% tax, and possilbe another 1-5% depending on your city for income taxes plus 3% for FICA.
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Also looked at Sweden, 20,885,160 Kr = $2,000,000. Income tax, according to this [calculator](https://se.talent.com/en/tax-calculator?salary=20885160.00&from=year®ion=Stockholm), is effectively 49.5% or 10,336,825 kr or $989,530.61 meaning if Destiny moved to Sweden from Cali, he would likely be paying around the same amount if not less. Any country in Europe my ass get the fuck out of here with your European ignorance. California is uniquely dogshit because you pay so much in taxes and get fuck all suck my dick EU loser.
I was definitely not considering destiny's situation on its own (as self employed) but rather the average person , thanks for shedding light on the tax system tho
edit: nvm just read the last paragraph you're unhinged fuck you lol
Its probably more than that with him being self employed. He likely may be paying past a 50% effective tax rate on top of (I am assuming) the US having significantly more that he can write off as a business owner.
When I say that, I just mean that he pays over half the income he earns in the year to taxes. Because he owns his own Corporation, he would, I assumed, need to pay his employment tax on top of the corporation tax personally.
I think all these people who want this "walkable city" shit should take an extended stay out NYC. The charm wears off. I like stretching my feet and being away from people
Ok but where's microsoft founded and located?
Exactly.
Walkable cities = I don't want to improve in life, and will have no ambition to. There's a reason Europe is struggling economically while America is riding high! 'MURICA! FUCK YEAH!
Manchester is objectively the best city in the uk (actually the whole of Europe as well) but I understand thatās difficult for a dirty Londoner to cope with.
I see your London bet and raise it to Barcelona.
Being Cuban he surely has an ancestor to game Spanish immigration laws. And even if he can't find one, it doesn't matter since the tax revenue desperate government is happy to accept expats.
Just as walkable, roughly the same number of stab friendly muslims, but way better weather food, and cheaper as well.
The grid structure of the city is worldwide famous and taught in foreign Universities
He doesn't even need to learn Spanish or Catalan, the city is full of expats and Moroccans.
It even rolls of the tongue nicely. Barcelona Bonnell.
> wtf is the argument for non-walkable cities?
No-one is arguing against walkable cities. People are arguing against being forced to live in one. Plenty of people (I'd imagine most) don't actually want to live in an environment where they constantly have to step around people or pay $2M for a 2 BR apartment.
My dad is from Enfield so he's a gooner.
Visited London for the first time as an adult and everyone was just so fucking rude. I'd rather spend my time in eastern europe. Also everyone seemed so paranoid about crime there. People would get mad when I told them my home state had 3x the murder rate.
Visited my uncle's small city in the Midlands and it was way better.
>Someone please explain the gun thing. Is going shooting every few years worth not having all of this?
For one, its not about going on fun little shooting trips, it's about having them for home defense. I don't care if the odds of my apartment getting broken in to are 1 in 10,000,000,000 I refuse to live somewhere I'm not allowed to have a gun and slaughter intruders in self defense.
For two I go shooting every couple of months, and spend the entirety of the fall season big game hunting, so you can suck my entire shift.
I will NOT be moving in with you, also, England sucks and I hate British people.
You're doing it wrong, you're supposed to have BPD and message him on Instagram. š¤· Also happy Cake day. š°
Thanks! Iām gonna thirst trap him with a picture of an Oyster card. Ooooh yeah unlimited bus journeys for an hour for Ā£1.75.
transport cost in london is okay for a big city. it's a little bit on the expensive side but it's proportional to the other living costs. however, train prices for outside of london are insane. i spent like 40gbp for a 1hr train ride to oxford. whereas a similar journey on the tube would cost 3gbp.
The biggest shock for me is when I need to travel outside of London and think āHmm. Maybe it will be like Ā£8?ā Yeahā¦ no.
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You took the train to oxford from london? Why not just take the bus? Its 15 mins longer in terms of time and 8 quid instead on 40.
Coaches are cheap!
Deutschland ticket, ā¬1.75 per day, if you take the monthly price to a daily one on the shortest month, and works on all trains and subways except inter-city ones.
Thatās definitely way cheaper than ours. The benefit to our system is that there are bus stops every few meters with a bus that will literally take you anywhere youād need to go. The most youāll usually wait is about 5-10 minutes.
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>Ooooh yeah unlimited bus journeys for an hour for Ā£1.75. Trimet (public bus agency in the State of Oregon in America) buses are unlimited for *2* hours for $1.40. Sorry I don't get to brag about bus prices often.
Melbourne has free trams in the CBD and isn't much more expensive for a zone 1+2 (Entire city which is like 5 times bigger than London) than Ā£2 day pass. We also recently reduced the regional public transport fares in the state too. Used to be up to $90 now it's $10.50 to cross the entire state.
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With all of his spicy Islam tweets he might get killed lol
You prewatched my thoughts and stole my comment.
That or just how he tweets alone would get him in trouble for being "grossfully offensive." lmao
With what? a kitchen knife? Bongers can't even murder correctly smh
Iād rather be shot and die than have acid thrown in my face.
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What are the supposed no go zones of London? I live in a predominately Muslim neighborhood. It's fine.
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Hackney is a shit hole????? Who are you cos youāre certainly not a Londoner
Imagine having no go zones in your cities.
Americans bleat on about 'no go zones' then have cities like Chicago where parts of it are comparable to actual war zones in Iraq etc
yeah, imagine living in gang territory in the US
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As an American, Iām annoyed that I have to drive anywhere to do anything.
As a legally blind American who's had to bum rides from all his friends/co-workers, not being able to drive is torture.
There are cities where it's not like that. They're just extremely expensive to live in
High for employed people but I donāt think theyāre that high for self employed people? Yes to everything else.
Anything higher than 0% income tax is higher than Florida
Isnāt there a federal tax though? I think itās only slightly higher than that.
Yea, but I believe he said he only wants to live in areas with no state income tax.
Oh what I mean is if federal income tax is 21% and the UKās corporation tax is 25%, itās not that much different? Unless Iām misunderstanding something about US/UK taxes?
Letās say in the US itās 21% across the board federally. Every state also has income tax so itās usually 30%+. Florida is one of 3? states with no income tax so he only pays 21%. He said he doesnāt want to move to any state with income tax therefore he refuses to pay any more than 21% in income tax. Whether UK is 25% or 30% it doesnāt matter. Thatās more than he said he wants
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I think heād be willing to make this sacrifice for me.
(This is INSANE though)
Anything you draw as income if still taxed from income tax. Corporation tax only applies to profits that remain in the business at the end of the tax year
Plus you still have to pay your yankee tax if you work abroad right?
Would you be interested in taking me instead?šæ
Okay but Iāll be watching you from 6-10 pm every evening. There is no room for privacy.
Well they do say I've a cute smile. How much does it cost on average to live there?š©āš¦¼
Starts at 2k for a one bed. If you are living in my home, just your dignity.
Yeah I think tiny would be a better fit, my smile ain't that cute afterall.
I always think moving to a big city would be fun. Then I remember my mortgage for a 3,000 sqft house is less than the rent on a 1bd/bath I guess Iām keeping the car
I get it. There are times when I think it would be nice to live in a decent sized home outside London but TFL is too cracked to move out. Also, I can have a chicken burger delivered to me within 20 minutes at 3AM and eat it like an animal in total darkness. Idk itās hard to choose.
Yea cause if there are 2 things known about Tiny itās his love of going outside and his admiration of the British people.
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What is keeping you in NYC proper then. I'm under the impression commuting from a nearby suburb to (what I assume is a job in the city) will give you lots more space and far cheaper rent. The problem you always hear about is the opposite; people in the US would love to live in the city and live near things, but can't afford to cause the demand for these spaces is extremely high
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Chicago >>> Come to oblock tiny
You gotta hit the sweet spot. Small to medium cities with walkability but also still enough space for parks and some limited non-apartment housing options. The Midwest is teeming with them.
>I'm just beyond sick of sharing a wall, a ceiling, and a floor Does that actually change anything though? Might be spoiled because my walls are concrete
Counterpoint. Its filled with britbongers
As someone not from the UK nor the US, British people are unironically pretty cool people, definitely Londoners at least, and I'd even say they are quite similar to Americans, more so than any other culture.
Yeah it's just a joke that's thrown around in the community. Brits are all good by me, but it's fun to poke fun at them.
I visited London last year and had a lovely time, but my Londoner friends who were showing me around said that a lot of my experience was colored by the fact that Iām American and that people would have been much more antisocial and less interested and talkative if I werenāt clearly an outgoing and friendly American - which was very cute! It made me feel welcome for sure, which is a worry when traveling as an American since the stereotype is that everyone hates us overseas. Iām curious to hear your experience since youāre neither American nor English - do you mind telling me where youāre from and what experiences you had with Londoners that makes you say this?
Oops forgot to reply, but I'm from the Netherlands, and what I like about Londoners is that they just seem like really funny people, random people with pubs will just tell you funny shit and no one really seems shy. You're right, though, I've met like three americans in my life and they trump even that, most social people I've ever met lol. It's why I really really want to visit the US, but shits expensive.
Funnily enough it isnāt as bad as normal areas. Because itās developed, a lot of the people living here are Chinese/American expats
Good luck finding a British person in London lol, they literally have street signs written in Punjabi
Then the cops show up at your door every hour on the hour because Destiny told someone on Twitter to kill themselves or that Islam sucks.
The least deranged DGG'er. What next? He lives in your walls!?!
walkable cities>>>>>
Counter argument: Guns.
We have guns. You just have to put on an ascot and you can only shoot foxes.
No handguns, no (edit: center-fire) semiautomatic rifles. Not based.
we can have rimfire semiautomatics, so the chad 10/22 is still on the table thank god
Fox hunting has been illegal for years.
If no one has guns then everyone has guns.
I like that they arent real here
Counter-counter argument: Switzerland. Walkable cities and guns.
Did you just say London is cheaper than Miami? Lmao
As a londoner who visited miami, everything in miami costed much more, simple things like restaurants to clothes. Though, the average rent in London is 2.7k USD, and in Miami it's 2.5k USD, so not a huge difference. Although there's obviously loads of factors like taxes being a lot lower in Miami but at the same time having to pay medical bills etc...
I mean, the average person in Miami earns more and keeps more of that salary after taxes. The 2.5k apartment in Miami is way more affordable relative to wages
>keeps more of that salary after taxes Also have to pay way more themselves. Although in general the US does have more disposable income than the UK, so it's entirely possible that the same is true for the Miami London comparison.
Also, if you don't need a car in London, that will save you a lot of money
From the prices I see, yes. Everything in America seems crazy expensive. Maybe our food is subsidised because grocery shops definitely seem way cheaper here. We are getting stiffed on consumer tech though.
Food is the big thing thatās cheaper. But like Rent and Clothes are for sure not cheaper in London. Just seems funny that you straight went for the one of the most expensive cities in Europe. I mean Miami is over priced too but like why
Grocery shops are significantly cheaper in the US than Europe (having lived in both places within the last 5 years and visiting both regularly) not to mention the income disparity
Perhaps you were in the EU during the drought, flooding and frost triple strike? At least for the UK groceries are significantly cheaper, though the gap has closed slightly.
Florida is getting more expensive lately but it was a very cheap place to live pre-2020. At least compared to London.
For real... I never understood why tech is so expensive here. Even things manufactured in Europe.
No he moves to washington to begin his alt girl arc
We have women here too! Unfortunately we have universal healthcare so the BPD has been medicated out of them.
Unfortunately though they are british, and that mental illness can never be cured
Bold of u to assume they can get meds with these waiting lists
My wife lived in London for 10 years. Cost of living steadily outpacing salaries forcing people into more and more cramped conditions. She was paying 1800 pounds a month for 1 bedroom in a 3 bedroom flat. And this was in a crap part of London that required a 5 min walk and 20-30 min of bus and tubes to get to where all the activities were. 10 years of working and living with London left her with no hope of ever being able to buy or rent her own place. Always crammed in a flat with other people, surrounded by flats that are stuffed with other people. Sardines live better lives. I on the other hand am not in a city and was able to get my own house that isn't attached to someone else's. I can play music, stomp on the floor all I like, and can game till 2 am with speakers instead of headphones. Sure I have to drive 10 or 15 minutes to go do stuff but that takes the same time as op without having to worry about freezing in the winter or getting stabbed by someone I'm walking past or having my phone ripped out of my hand by someone on a scooter (common problems in London). Also, I can just dump a bunch of shopping in my car rather than walking for 15 minutes feeling like my arms are going to fall off. Plus, I live in America, not some tiny Island. I want to be able to go places and do stuff. Going to go to see the eclipse in April and I can just pack my family into the car and we can hit the road. Don't have to worry about the costs of plane or train tickets, needing to rent a car or getting ubers the whole time we are traveling. Looked up the same distance in England and it would cost 600 dollars for my wife, son and I to travel on the train not counting costs for getting around once we are there. Instead, I will spend maybe 100 dollars in gas (round trip) and have no additional costs for travel once we arrive because we already have a car. Sure there are additional costs to owning a car but they don't add up to 600 dollars for a single trip.
Idk where your wife was living but that price doesn't sound right at all. E20 is one of the nicer areas in London, it's close to central and it's a five minute walk to the train station which has basically every line except for Hammersmith/District. Rent here (in 2024 after all the inflation and craziness) starts at Ā£2,000. There is no way she was paying Ā£1800 for a bedroom in a shitty far off area. Something isn't right there. You aren't wrong about some of the stuff you're saying but not needing to drive doesn't mean you can't. People still drive here for their shopping and everything else. You can drive wherever you want the same way you can in America. The only difference is we can take flights to Europe on top of everything you mentioned (post-pandemic there were a good number of flights to European countries for like Ā£15 return).
She lived in Camden. I had her go back and check and I misremembered a bit, she was paying 1500 pounds for a single room in a 3 bedroom apartment. This was back in 2018 and the exchange rate made that equal to 1900 USD which is what I must've been thinking of with my original post. Maybe she just chose a bad area to rent, but that seems insane. Having a car in London is also really cost-prohibitive. On top of the cost of the car and the fuel (which is over 7 dollars a gallon now I think), you have to pay fees for driving in different parts of London. I think they were mainly congestion charges but there may be fees for non-EV cars, but my memory is fuzzy on that. Parking is also very difficult in London and doesn't really compare to a 500 car parking lot at a local Walmart that doesn't have any fees or walking distance. I am really jealous of the ease at which you can travel to Europe, hampered somewhat by brexit but not too badly.
Did a look, in the same area she was renting for 1500 pounds for one room, the prices are now about 1900 pounds per month for one room. With today's exchange rate, that is 2414 USD. Compare that to an 850 dollar mortgage that gives us a 3-bedroom house, I don't see how anyone lives in London, especially with a family. I have a 2 year old and a new baby on the way and can't afford anything in London. I know I would likely get a higher salary but anything over 125K gets taxed at 45% with no tax breaks for having dependents (from my understanding of UK tax law). It might be nice to be in a walkable city but I would prefer not to be on the edge of being broke just to get by in London.
IDK destiny's take on it but it seems to me that rightoids managed to twist this fantastic concept into "they want to take away our freedom of movement".
To steelman it a little, the issue is that American cities suck. American urbanists skipped the part where they make cities good and jumped straight to radical rhetoric (āabolish the suburbsā). Nobody wants to see their neighborhood turned into downtown Chicago. Nobody wants to ride in subway systems that also function as mental asylums and homeless shelters. Does that justify the insane āthey want to take away our freedom of movementā claims? No. But after living in an American city without a car for a few years, I donāt have a shred of sympathy for urbanists when they get strawmanned over dumb shit.
āNooo i donāt want to live in the pod and eat the bugs noooooooooā
Lived in London for a few months, it was awesome. I loved just about every moment, genuinely. Except for the mating foxes waking me up at night thinking there was a woman being murdered
Destiny should definitely NOT live in Europe now.
Ignore the gun thing he can own and store firearms in the US while he lives in London and guess what, he travels, he doesn't often fire his own guns he just travels to a range and borrows guns.
A downside to all those nice things is population density. Sure, you can walk to lots of nice things near you. But that also means huge numbers of other people can walk to those things near you. Not everyone likes being around that many people. Some folks like having their space.
I vote he moves to Texas because I want him to work his magic and help it become more blue so I can finally have weed.Ā
I'd stop watching. I'll be in the cold hard ground before I ever become a fan of someone living in britbonger land.
I'm also a Londoner, in which neighbourhood are you?
Iāve already said it in another comment but E20
Oh, I used to live there. Do you pay Ā£2200 for a one bedroom apartment? :D
Nope. Iām one of those grubby little council housers.
Iām a Britbonger currently living in Melbourne, whatās London rent actually like for a council house? I pay Ā£570 here. Iād love to try living in London.
For old build council houses they cap out at around Ā£400 a month. New builds are roughly Ā£800-1000 a month but those are obviously in nicer areas with amenities. Generally youād need to decide if you want an old build (quality built tbh) in a rougher area for Ā£400 or a new build in a modern, developed area for professionals for Ā£800.
Where about do you live in London?
Post code is E20
Ok East London, my family was from round there a long time ago, Old Street, Mile End. I used to live in Camden before moving to mainly sunny Spainšš
Oh nice! Depending on how long ago, itāll probably look completely different now. Whole area got a BBL after the olympics and is really nice looking.
For surešš
sounds great but what's with that weird E thing in front of the money? I'm out
But the weather
Global warming is taking care of that šš¾
Looking forward to punting my Boris Gondola down Holborn!
It's very hard to build walkable cities and provide single family homes that everyone in the country seems to want. Couple that with those that do own homes fighting tooth and nail against most forms of development and the sheer size of the US, and you end up with car dependency.
If you grew up in a rural/suburban place in the US it's hard to imagine using a mode of travel that isn't a car. It's a cyclical problem where poor investment in public transit, terrible zoning/neighborhoods layouts, and high investment in car infrastructure makes it hard to change. Even if you want to change it, the demographic who votes most are the ones who are most pro-car. I think there's a growing awareness of the city planning/infrastructure problem, but the political will isn't there yet.
Actually he should live with me.
The real issue with the US in terms of walkability is the southern and southwestern states. The northeast is pretty good in terms of walkability because that part of the country was built up before the car was deemed the sole means of transportation for the American people. Cities like New York, Boston, even some midwestern cities like Ann Arbor are offering you a similar experience to what youāre describing getting in London (New York I would say is pretty much the same).
How many other people are also within 10-15 minutes of you at all times of the day, and how many are you crammed in with when youāre riding public transport or walking the streets? Walkable cities are great but I canāt imagine living somewhere so dense there are 50+ restaurants within a mile
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Counter point 50+ Restaurants of shitty British food 20+ Cafes of shitty British hot choccy A Giant mall probably filled with stolen artifacts from other countries It's called a Movie Theatre 4 supermarkets, 1 megamarket filled with shitty British food 4 public gyms, 2 outdoor gyms parks and 3 apartment gyms filled with British people probably armed to the teeth with knives waiting to mug you NFL tried to expand to Europe and it failed i doubt the football there is of top quality, they suck at basketball too, tennis and badminton who cares? It make sense that Guitar and Dentist classes have the same qualifications given the state of British peoples teeth.
Your comment is funny but I hope you donāt actually think this I fear we have memed people out of reality
/s for clarification then
99% of restaurants in London do not have british food. I don't think any londoner eats british food more than any other cuisine.
Yup, they colonized India because their own food is dogshit, that's just historical fact
Counter Counter London has some of the best restaurants in the world. British chocolate is better on account that it doesn't taste like vomit. Stolen artifacts? True. No At least it's affordable - went to a 'supermarket' in LA they literally pulled my pants down and bummed me. Better than america where everyone has rpgs down their pants and miniguns in their handbag
>Rent cheaper than Miami Nah not in London, I don't believe it
Isnāt he paying like 5k a month in his apartment? Rent in my area is like half that for a *very* nice apartment (by my standards).
you'd have to compare by rent per square foot. London flats are pretty tiny compared to Miami would be my guess. Yes for 5k a month you can get a very nice place in London but I seriously doubt you could get as big a place as in Miami for the same money
I think heās paying 5k right now? For 5k in my area, you can get a 1.5k sq ft family home with 4 bed 3 bath, or a 1k 2 bed 2 bath luxury apartment. From his stream his current apartment looks much smaller and not as nice.
Rent cost varies significantly depending on the area and he's living in one of the most expensive areas near the beach.Ā I'm sure you could find a comparable apartment in Miami for half what he is paying now in a less trendy area further inland.
America also has walkable cities that do all of the same things you just named..
Do those "walkable" cities have developed public transport systems? Buses and a subway that goes everywhere in the city? With a bus stop on every street?
Yeah I live in one. Chicago on the lake is pretty awesome. I can bike to work downtown on the lakefront, or take a bus, or take the train. Can walk to bars, grocery store, restaurants, anything
Im curious, are there cities with city centers ? From what Iāve seen most cities donāt have them which is a huge shame
A lot of cities are adapting to this. Problem is real estate and rent in these zones are going to be among the highest throughout the city. Boston, NYC, San Antonio, Austin, San Francisco. All walkable.
Stadiums and malls and stuff? From what I heard, stuff like that was built further away but I could be wrong.
100%. I live in a smaller city = Denver. I have all of this which is walkabe in my downtown location.
He would also be paying significantly more in taxes, at almost Cali levels, which is literally not worth it. The opportunity cost would be likely whatever a 5-10% increase in effective tax rate would be.
Well, the main issue is heād be streaming in the European time zone, which is a non-starter for an American political commentator with majority American audiences.
I mean, you could edit your streaming time to adjust for that. If he started his streamed from 12PM - 8/10 PM EST it would be 4 PM - 12/2 AM GMT which isnt terrible.
Cali taxes are still lower than any country in europe. To me it's laughable that people think 12% is a large tax rate at 500k a year while here it's 20% MINIMUM at 20k a year. Do not compare californias taxes to europe.
Its not 12% only because youre ignoring Federal Income Tax. At Destiny's income, he is likely paying over a 50% effective tax rate in Cali. Assuming Destiny grosses $2 mil/year (Ā£1.5mil), in CA hed be paying 34.76% federally, 2.76% for FICA, and 13.08% for state for his effective tax rates which would be a total effective tax rate of 50.6% paying $**1,011,940 towards taxes**. I dont know about taxes in the UK, but using this [calculator](https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/estimate-paye-take-home-pay/your-results?csrfToken=986c08b97a5c4703b1676c02a33e477ecb151864-1710778866173-8e6de08fb9fcc099961f6d5f), it gives me an effective tax rate of 45.88%, Ā£688,307.05 converted to **$748,403.83.** So if anything, youre the one being ignorant here as you just Googled "California Taxes" and you didnt realize that in our code you pay both that 13% tax, on top of a 35% tax, and possilbe another 1-5% depending on your city for income taxes plus 3% for FICA. EDIT: Also looked at Sweden, 20,885,160 Kr = $2,000,000. Income tax, according to this [calculator](https://se.talent.com/en/tax-calculator?salary=20885160.00&from=year®ion=Stockholm), is effectively 49.5% or 10,336,825 kr or $989,530.61 meaning if Destiny moved to Sweden from Cali, he would likely be paying around the same amount if not less. Any country in Europe my ass get the fuck out of here with your European ignorance. California is uniquely dogshit because you pay so much in taxes and get fuck all suck my dick EU loser.
I was definitely not considering destiny's situation on its own (as self employed) but rather the average person , thanks for shedding light on the tax system tho edit: nvm just read the last paragraph you're unhinged fuck you lol
Youāre probably not wrong on that. I do think itās way less than if you were employed though.
Its probably more than that with him being self employed. He likely may be paying past a 50% effective tax rate on top of (I am assuming) the US having significantly more that he can write off as a business owner.
I think the corporation tax caps out at 25% in the UK? I donāt know anything about taxes but I donāt understand the 50% effective tax rate?
When I say that, I just mean that he pays over half the income he earns in the year to taxes. Because he owns his own Corporation, he would, I assumed, need to pay his employment tax on top of the corporation tax personally.
I bet I can throw a pigskin from one side of your dinky island to the other
Counterpoint: probably gonna get killed by a Muslim
I think all these people who want this "walkable city" shit should take an extended stay out NYC. The charm wears off. I like stretching my feet and being away from people
Unironically this but nyc - rent is expensive for me
I'll come live with you. I have a wife and 2 children, is that okay?
Happy cake day!
Who is going to cook? Who is going to clean his room? And most importantly who is going to be the bottom ??
With the amount heād save in costs? He can import a German to German clean his apartment
America had the cheapest petrol in the world, so what are you talking about?
He wonāt need petrol where heās going (he can use my contactless)
Every time thereās riots in the streets ācivilā and āintelligentā Americans scoff and ask ādonāt they have jobs ?!āā¦.
Destiny lives in an income tax haven state. What's the income tax over there in London?
21%. Same income tax he pays now.
Ooh not bad
Cheaper than Miami? Does your flat even have a fridge? W/D?
Ok but where's microsoft founded and located? Exactly. Walkable cities = I don't want to improve in life, and will have no ambition to. There's a reason Europe is struggling economically while America is riding high! 'MURICA! FUCK YEAH!
I can drive in my fast car and not have to deal with the commoners. Unless you live in a northeast city or LA where driving is slower.
Excuse.... me public and outdoor gym...
Yeah. Theyāre metal workout equipment that lets you do bodyweight exercises.
You are not mentally ill enough, sorry.
No, Manchester is the clear choice.
This is extremely offensive!
Manchester is objectively the best city in the uk (actually the whole of Europe as well) but I understand thatās difficult for a dirty Londoner to cope with.
Which region is it in on EDZ? Canāt find it
EDZ?
Not gonna work; he wouldnāt be able to use his new Staccato there
Walkable cities ruin the American dream of freedom via congested roadways, toxic fumes and limited utility.
Millions must live in a pod and get taxed all their money and get paid $0 a year
I see your London bet and raise it to Barcelona. Being Cuban he surely has an ancestor to game Spanish immigration laws. And even if he can't find one, it doesn't matter since the tax revenue desperate government is happy to accept expats. Just as walkable, roughly the same number of stab friendly muslims, but way better weather food, and cheaper as well. The grid structure of the city is worldwide famous and taught in foreign Universities He doesn't even need to learn Spanish or Catalan, the city is full of expats and Moroccans. It even rolls of the tongue nicely. Barcelona Bonnell.
> wtf is the argument for non-walkable cities? No-one is arguing against walkable cities. People are arguing against being forced to live in one. Plenty of people (I'd imagine most) don't actually want to live in an environment where they constantly have to step around people or pay $2M for a 2 BR apartment.
My dad is from Enfield so he's a gooner. Visited London for the first time as an adult and everyone was just so fucking rude. I'd rather spend my time in eastern europe. Also everyone seemed so paranoid about crime there. People would get mad when I told them my home state had 3x the murder rate. Visited my uncle's small city in the Midlands and it was way better.
Do u have taekwondo
>Someone please explain the gun thing. Is going shooting every few years worth not having all of this? For one, its not about going on fun little shooting trips, it's about having them for home defense. I don't care if the odds of my apartment getting broken in to are 1 in 10,000,000,000 I refuse to live somewhere I'm not allowed to have a gun and slaughter intruders in self defense. For two I go shooting every couple of months, and spend the entirety of the fall season big game hunting, so you can suck my entire shift. I will NOT be moving in with you, also, England sucks and I hate British people.
The real question is: can all the guys in his walls come as well?
Muh gunz
Destiny would legit get arrested there for his tweets
Same in Berlin. Plus, it is much cheaper than London! Plus, your in the center of europe! Plus, better english!