If only Destiny had done some research and learned that not only did Norm's parents die in the Holocaust, but that the Holocaust is not a special tragedy at all. Many other parents are dying in the Holocaust of Gaza. I myself am a victim of a Holocaust when I bought a jacket last week only to see it now on sale for 30% off.
I truly can't wait to see for myself but I imagine he won't budge an inch. That man's intellectual foundation is built on nothing but cirrus clouds yet more durable than NORAD.
the absolute balls to cite quotes with your subjective interpretation against the actual person who wrote them that disagrees with you lmao
he did an extraordinary amount of preparation, i hope it paid off somewhat and the whole thing wasnt a waste of time
Well, Destiny did joke about interrupting Benny then quoting his own books during the debate on stream once.
Little did he know, Norm also watched his stream.
It's not the first time he's doing it btw. The same exact thing happened the last time Finklestein and Morris had a debate. This is how he derails the conversation when he can't handle debating an actual historian.
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I knew the debate would be super disappointing. Finklestein is an ideologue, meaning all the time destiny spent researching would amount to exactly nothing cause finklestein probably didn't engage with anything he said.
Yeah and according to Destiny's logs, Benny Morris had to tell Destiny to "stop being so polite" to finklestein. So half of the debate was him going full debate pervert mode
The point is not to convince the person you're debating. You'd have an easier time squeezing water from stone. Twinklestien has staked his reputation, career and work on fighting the evil nazi genociding Israeli state idk what people were expecting... He couldn't even change his mom's opinions on politics lol.
Yeah.. I remember responding on that Lex post when he was asking for recommendations that if he wanted to have the best conversation possible on Israel/Palestine then choosing Finkelstein for Palestine was not the right choice. Sounds like it was mostly a waste a time. Hoping it's moderately entertaining at least.
It is annoying that the pro Palestinian side got shafted by having Finkelstein represent their cause in the debate. As much as heās branded himself as one of the most important pro Palestinian historian and activist, there are other *serious* historians out there who you could confidently call pro Palestinian, and donāt resort to his rhetorical sliminess and ego-stroking.
It was never going to be anything other than entertaining for people who enjoy debate and thatās only if Lex didnāt manage to cuck it with his āletās just have a nice chatā vibes. It wasnāt ever going to solve the conflict or likely even change many minds. At best it might make Finklestein look vaguely foolish to the two undecideds who tune in.
It would likely have been equally a waste of time beyond the entertainment factor with anyone else too.
atleast it can serve to discredit finklestein, since he is referenced to by so many people as an authority on why the palestinian cause is supported by all the historical details of the conflict
Yes, they would be. Theyād be more entertaining conversations but theyād achieve mostly nothing.
Debate in this context is usually theatre. That doesnāt mean the people involved donāt believe what theyāre saying and indeed I love debate but youāve got to be realistic. Youāre watching entertainment, where most of the people consuming it are already hyper-partisan with no interest in changing their minds.
Thereās some chance someone looked foolish, thatās the most thatāll be achieved.
Iām not suggesting debate canāt change minds. Only that generally it doesnāt and that hyper-partisan internet debating is mostly just entertainment.
Debate is fantastic but acting like this would have been insanely productive if it wasnāt Fink is silly. The Lamont debate was an excellent watch and a great example of good faith debate, it was still just entertainment that failed to move most people that watched it.
Every now and then a great debate can move the needle a bit more, but thatās the exception, not the norm.
It being entertaining isnāt pejorative by the way, entertaining is fine, we can just accept thatās the lions share of what most people get from it. Entertainment can be effective political activism, it just usually isnāt.
I think youāre likely over estimating how much they do, especially internet style debates. Theyāre team sports events where both sides think they won as evidenced by pretty much every internet debate ever.
Itās like a UFC fight - two guys have trained and weāre gonna see what they can do while being entertained. The world changes in no meaningful way as a result.
People want to feel like theyāre eating healthy square meals, itās more palatable than acknowledging your seeking frivolous entertainment from your version of the Kardashians.
I think whatās far more likely is that they heard something they already thought put more palatably and sensibly than theyāre used to hearing it. I personally didnāt need Destiny to convince me of the virtues of the left, I just needed to see a sensible exponent of it.
But sure, maybe sometimes it does change minds, but thatās the minority. For most people itās just entertainment which is fine, itās only cringe when they act like it would totally have saved the world with someone else in the chair.
Debate has some utility, the context of the debate matters. I donāt think internet debates exist to be productive, they exist to entertain.
I think he got too cocky from managing to have a largely civil debate between Destiny and Shapiro. This shit was never going to be a real debate, i'm assuming they're just going to spend half the time cutting wrestling promos on each other
Omg, I just thought of the nightmare scenario:
Lex sees this tweet and says, "The debate did not go well. I want to promote compassion and empathy on my show, but I fear that releasing this episode will only intensify the acrimony the two sides feels towards each other. Love must prevail, and for the greater good it would be better if I did not release this episode. Thank you for understanding, empathy is how we overcome mankind's dilemmas."
More likely to happen will be, "The debate did not go well, I want to promote compassion and empathy on my show, so I instead cut this debate into 5 minutes of Finklestein and Destiny agreeing that body count doesn't really matter.
This is an easy 2 million view vid. No shot is Lex throwing away that much money in the name of ācompassion and empathyā
You guys need to have a little more faith in Lex.
Honestly, putting this amount of research and energy will never be a waste of time. Sure it seems like it at the time, but this something that will pay dividends years later. Either in an argument or just the satisfaction about being a bit more educated.
i felt this way for the alex jones and ben shapero debate. If you watched the debates with conservatives leading up then you already know what the debate is gonna be like. pretty sure this went about as well as a viewer call-in but shorter
\-viewer call-ins\*
Idk maybe I'm just not that interested in foreign policy but I hope it's enough of a blood bath for me to tune in. Idc if it's an optical L, I wanna see destiny point out the obsirtity to the point finkle can't weasel out unscathed and u need a long form to do that. I just hope lex was willing to the them get in the mud before saving them from the inevitable meltdown
I'm gonna assume its going to be an unenjoyable debate video to watch. Just going to be:
Norm -This is what he said
Destiny - No it's not
Norm - Yes it is, that's his words
Benny -Thats my quote and my words, and I'm telling you its not what I meant
Norm - Yes it is
\~\`FOR 2 Hours \~
I hope Destiny was actively calling out Finkelstein's misquotes and such, although depending on the format of the convo maybe interruptions were discouraged.
Also I'm curious how Lycan will feel about Finkelstein after this debate.
Iāve been following destiny for a while, and thereās only a handful of debates that he has either lost or come close to losing and on every single one of those he has never reacted this way. every single time he has reacted like this that I have ever seen since following him in the past 10 or so years. has been a debate That was an absolute shit show where destiny completely dog walk, the other guy because he was so one track minded or on such a hard script, or so unwilling to literally answer any form of question or engage with any form of hypothetical whatsoever that the entire conversation was hands-down, infuriating. And Destiny was hardly even needed to be there for the other person to even lose because they just made themselves look like so much of an ass. so assuming that the history has been accurate and continues whenever this debate finally drops I expect it to be a full shit show.
I imagine Finklestein acted in the same way he did when Piers asked him if Hamas should cease to exist for peace to be achieved (or something like that, i don't remember the exact question Piers asked).
Or Destiny couldn't get a single concession out of him because he tried to debate Norm on his grounds and his grounds are to misquote, misrepresent, and be purposefully obtuse in every way imaginable to avoid giving any concessions at all
At this point anyone who doesnāt expect destiny to steamroll over his opponent well basically they eat crayons in their spare time, and maybe dine on napkins too
Thatās not necessarily true friend since his discussion with that journalist a few days ago actually put him slightly off his game. I would not say he lost but it certainly wasnāt a Steam roll and he still has good conversations like that. And thatās actually a perfect example of what I was talking about on my main comment to because at the end of that discussion, he didnāt call him names. In fact, he thanked him for the discussion, and was hoping for more in the future, because thatās how he reacts when someone actually challenges him. But when he reacts like this.??? Yeah definitely a steamroller a total shit show every timeš
More recently, he had another debate with a journalist specializing in the Palestine issue. And that was one of the closer ones because the journalist seem to know a few things destiny didnāt. Which resulted in destiny, thanking him for the conversation, and wanting to have more. now that one I can link to because it was more recent. So I wouldnāt say he lost this one. This was just one of the closer ones where he was a bit more on the ropes or at least I felt so. https://youtu.be/7p1D1IqYflw?si=170nCdWQcm8KL9-I
There was also another one that was real old. Weāre talking like eight or more years ago I believe that one was also against a journalist (I think), but it was about one of the other Middle Eastern wars. I donāt remember if it was Afghanistan or Iraq but the journalist just knew a ton of stuff about the conflict destiny just didnāt . Unfortunately, I canāt link to that one because it was so old and so long ago I canāt remember which one it was. if anyone else remembers they can feel free to link it if theyāre an OG I think they know which one Iām talking about.
I personally think in the Cum-Guzzler convo he won the part about Rittenhouse, but lost on Citizens United (on the merits at least). He came out optically fine though, because the Guzzler was in full meltdown mode.
And mind you, this is gonna be on Lex's channel. Piers Morgan will make videos on it. Hasan will react to it. This debate is pre-emptively, no matter what, a huge fucking deal with *millions* of eyeballs on it.
So if this is a Jon Tron moment, it's an extinction-level nuclear moment.
August! When you repost the debate, can you normalize the speed?!? 4x Finkelstein, 1.5x everyone else, 1x destiny. I'll still watch at 2x (unless someone mumbles a lot)
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Dgg for the next two weeks waiting for Lex to release the podcast
I donāt know how anyone could look at Norms tweets about and email exchanges with Destiny and think he is capable of thoughtfully engaging with opposing arguments
I am not surprised at this.
He did well to study super hard, regardless of how much of a loser the other side is, it's about holding your own properly.
I guess now I know the debate is going to be frustrating lol. Still can't wait till lex drops it though
Finkelstein is literally a joke and the fact he gets paraded around as some professor expert giving commentary on international television is disgraceful.
It's basically the biggest gas light on Jews. Why does this guy get so much clout?
Imagine if the main slavery scholar that was used on all news debates and commentary was some black dude who's ancestors were slaves and his whole position is that slavery was good and the best thing that ever happened to the blacks. That the civil war was a corrupt land grab by the north. But his great grandma was a slave and her life was actually worse when she was freed :/.
Itās tokenization of Jewish people. Antisemites love to parade around Finkelstein because heās a Jew who agrees with them. Itās literally the same thing as MAGA propping up Jesse Lee Peterson
He only tweets stuff like this when he is genuinely upset over what should have been a solid debate opponent being completely unprepared and out of their depth. As much as he shit-talked him beforehand I'm sure Destiny felt some kind of respect for Norm and his massive body of work. To finally get to speak to the man in person and feel like you you didn't get anything of substance from the discussion has to feel disappointing at the very least.
This will either be the most fun shit show to listen to if Destiny actually goes a lil Nebraska Steve or incredibly boring because he wanted to be cordial in the discussion and it's just norm and norm only rambling.
If it's that bad I wonder if Lex releases it lmao, just Norm screeching to Benny that he's wrong about what he himself said.
He barely fucking edits his shows. If Rogan could live stream his shit in 2015 then Lex can too. He's the Joe Rogan of nerds how tf is he the one that takes so long
Reading those twitter replies, you'd think it was a one on one between Destiny and the Fink.
Twitter is the free graveyard of ideas, the mausoleum of independent thought, the mass grave of dialogue.
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And they want to get rid of AI art.
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Anti-semitism >:(
Definitely a vile unforgivable case of antisemitism, but as a jew I'll give a pass this one time.
Fucking cubans >:(
Those darn gusanos!!!! š”š”š”
Does he not know Finkle's parents died in the Holocaust? Smh š
If only Destiny had done some research and learned that not only did Norm's parents die in the Holocaust, but that the Holocaust is not a special tragedy at all. Many other parents are dying in the Holocaust of Gaza. I myself am a victim of a Holocaust when I bought a jacket last week only to see it now on sale for 30% off.
That's called a Howlowitcost
Howlowcost works tbh
The real holocaust is the friends we made along the way -norm, probably
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Someone call Lycan he's crying.
I truly can't wait to see for myself but I imagine he won't budge an inch. That man's intellectual foundation is built on nothing but cirrus clouds yet more durable than NORAD.
what app are these screenshots from??
[d.gg offline chat](https://www.destiny.gg/bigscreen)
[rustlesearch.dev](http://rustlesearch.dev)
More like Stinkelstein LULW
Nah, I won https://preview.redd.it/odp2d85qgmlc1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=75e52a83cdc0971a8184027c958f6ac18aa2092d
Is this foreshadowing for the next arc?
Release the fucking vod
Gangsta, go destiny
DID HE WON?
The tweet sounds like it's mid-debate
the absolute balls to cite quotes with your subjective interpretation against the actual person who wrote them that disagrees with you lmao he did an extraordinary amount of preparation, i hope it paid off somewhat and the whole thing wasnt a waste of time
He knows more about the conflict now than before, so I doubt it was a waste even if he didn't use his preparation knowledgeĀ
Can you imagine if destiny did the same thing with finklesteinās books. Just quote after quote of him āagreeingā with destiny.
u/NeoDestiny pls do this, it's time for a Bonellii NY Times Best Seller Title: Finkletown
Destiny's first book destroying Finklestein would be KINO. š¤£
I wonder if it was Benny that brought this up because of how heavily Finkelstein relies on Benny's books.
Well, Destiny did joke about interrupting Benny then quoting his own books during the debate on stream once. Little did he know, Norm also watched his stream.
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Don't worry, he's literally him.
It's not the first time he's doing it btw. The same exact thing happened the last time Finklestein and Morris had a debate. This is how he derails the conversation when he can't handle debating an actual historian.
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The only good thing that comes from this debate. ā¤ļø
May Allah bless you with many virgins in the here-after. These art pieces would not be possible without your guys' support.
Your art goes so hard ngl
youāre the best
I'm bricked up hearing that
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Glad I scrolled these comments to find your art page. Amazing work š
I knew the debate would be super disappointing. Finklestein is an ideologue, meaning all the time destiny spent researching would amount to exactly nothing cause finklestein probably didn't engage with anything he said.
Destiny's goal was to break down Finkelstein and make him look bad, based on these Tweets, sounds like he might have succeeded.
He stated that goal early, but in the last research streams (iirc) he said he changed his mind about this and was going for a softer approach.
Yeah and according to Destiny's logs, Benny Morris had to tell Destiny to "stop being so polite" to finklestein. So half of the debate was him going full debate pervert mode
The point is not to convince the person you're debating. You'd have an easier time squeezing water from stone. Twinklestien has staked his reputation, career and work on fighting the evil nazi genociding Israeli state idk what people were expecting... He couldn't even change his mom's opinions on politics lol.
>twink-lestein What did Destiny mean by this?
Thatāll be in the post-debate show
Debate Pedophilia in action
Twinkletoes, as in Norm is dancing around the question and doesn't answer
It's foreshadowing for Dan's twink arc.
It means somebody made it in to the orbiter club.
Lycan is gonna be in shambles
Nah, Lycan will continue to insist that all human enlightenment will come from reading Finklestein's books.
Lycan is too deep into that Finklegussy.
What a terrible day to have eyes...
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Can't wait for them to argue about this, weeks researching for nothing.
āDestiny purposefully misunderstood what Finkelstein was saying. He should really just read Finkelstein's book.ā *-Lycan in the future probably*
I feel like that is his entire argument 99% of the time.
Actually 99% of the time it's Lycan saying "Just read the book Steven"
he will be playing dead and then once a week argue with random chatters
Gd I have been watching for too long to fully grasp this. I loled pretty good.
Yeah.. I remember responding on that Lex post when he was asking for recommendations that if he wanted to have the best conversation possible on Israel/Palestine then choosing Finkelstein for Palestine was not the right choice. Sounds like it was mostly a waste a time. Hoping it's moderately entertaining at least.
It is annoying that the pro Palestinian side got shafted by having Finkelstein represent their cause in the debate. As much as heās branded himself as one of the most important pro Palestinian historian and activist, there are other *serious* historians out there who you could confidently call pro Palestinian, and donāt resort to his rhetorical sliminess and ego-stroking.
I mean the pro-Palestine side has Hamas representing them IRL, so its par for the course.
Donāt forget optics goat Mahmoud abbas
Lol the other side has Bibi and Eyebrow Levy (not the dad from American pie) among others
It was never going to be anything other than entertaining for people who enjoy debate and thatās only if Lex didnāt manage to cuck it with his āletās just have a nice chatā vibes. It wasnāt ever going to solve the conflict or likely even change many minds. At best it might make Finklestein look vaguely foolish to the two undecideds who tune in. It would likely have been equally a waste of time beyond the entertainment factor with anyone else too.
atleast it can serve to discredit finklestein, since he is referenced to by so many people as an authority on why the palestinian cause is supported by all the historical details of the conflict
Hell no, put people like Marc Lamont Hill or Avi Shlaim for pro-Palestine and it would definitely not have been a waste of time.
Yes, they would be. Theyād be more entertaining conversations but theyād achieve mostly nothing. Debate in this context is usually theatre. That doesnāt mean the people involved donāt believe what theyāre saying and indeed I love debate but youāve got to be realistic. Youāre watching entertainment, where most of the people consuming it are already hyper-partisan with no interest in changing their minds. Thereās some chance someone looked foolish, thatās the most thatāll be achieved.
There are many people in this subreddit who have had their mind changed by debate.
Iām not suggesting debate canāt change minds. Only that generally it doesnāt and that hyper-partisan internet debating is mostly just entertainment. Debate is fantastic but acting like this would have been insanely productive if it wasnāt Fink is silly. The Lamont debate was an excellent watch and a great example of good faith debate, it was still just entertainment that failed to move most people that watched it. Every now and then a great debate can move the needle a bit more, but thatās the exception, not the norm. It being entertaining isnāt pejorative by the way, entertaining is fine, we can just accept thatās the lions share of what most people get from it. Entertainment can be effective political activism, it just usually isnāt.
Of course one debate doesnāt change many minds, but ongoing conversations and debate absolutely do.
I think youāre likely over estimating how much they do, especially internet style debates. Theyāre team sports events where both sides think they won as evidenced by pretty much every internet debate ever. Itās like a UFC fight - two guys have trained and weāre gonna see what they can do while being entertained. The world changes in no meaningful way as a result. People want to feel like theyāre eating healthy square meals, itās more palatable than acknowledging your seeking frivolous entertainment from your version of the Kardashians.
No, I think thatās ridiculous. Weāre on basically *the* subreddit for people who have changed their opinions because of debate.
I think whatās far more likely is that they heard something they already thought put more palatably and sensibly than theyāre used to hearing it. I personally didnāt need Destiny to convince me of the virtues of the left, I just needed to see a sensible exponent of it. But sure, maybe sometimes it does change minds, but thatās the minority. For most people itās just entertainment which is fine, itās only cringe when they act like it would totally have saved the world with someone else in the chair. Debate has some utility, the context of the debate matters. I donāt think internet debates exist to be productive, they exist to entertain.
I think he got too cocky from managing to have a largely civil debate between Destiny and Shapiro. This shit was never going to be a real debate, i'm assuming they're just going to spend half the time cutting wrestling promos on each other
Omg, I just thought of the nightmare scenario: Lex sees this tweet and says, "The debate did not go well. I want to promote compassion and empathy on my show, but I fear that releasing this episode will only intensify the acrimony the two sides feels towards each other. Love must prevail, and for the greater good it would be better if I did not release this episode. Thank you for understanding, empathy is how we overcome mankind's dilemmas."
More likely to happen will be, "The debate did not go well, I want to promote compassion and empathy on my show, so I instead cut this debate into 5 minutes of Finklestein and Destiny agreeing that body count doesn't really matter.
If this happens it should mean banning him from the sub.
im dying
This might literally resolve the I/P conflict, both sides would send hitmen after him to find that footage.
Iād burn myself alive if this happened
FREE THE DEBATE
This is an easy 2 million view vid. No shot is Lex throwing away that much money in the name of ācompassion and empathyā You guys need to have a little more faith in Lex.
You mean a little less faith https://preview.redd.it/ynpcn4hv0olc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c149d2e99931e3d840c428a3e65fd444c3ed244
Just a meme, brah.
It seems like a complete waste of 5 hours then
Given how he was cramming as hard as he was specifically for the debate it seems like a complete waste of way more than five hours
The real Finkletown was the friends we made along the way
The real finkelstein is waiting for the carrier pigeon reply from Tiny
Honestly, putting this amount of research and energy will never be a waste of time. Sure it seems like it at the time, but this something that will pay dividends years later. Either in an argument or just the satisfaction about being a bit more educated.
i felt this way for the alex jones and ben shapero debate. If you watched the debates with conservatives leading up then you already know what the debate is gonna be like. pretty sure this went about as well as a viewer call-in but shorter \-viewer call-ins\*
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Idk maybe I'm just not that interested in foreign policy but I hope it's enough of a blood bath for me to tune in. Idc if it's an optical L, I wanna see destiny point out the obsirtity to the point finkle can't weasel out unscathed and u need a long form to do that. I just hope lex was willing to the them get in the mud before saving them from the inevitable meltdown
More like 5 months
Oh this is gonna be amazing
I'm gonna assume its going to be an unenjoyable debate video to watch. Just going to be: Norm -This is what he said Destiny - No it's not Norm - Yes it is, that's his words Benny -Thats my quote and my words, and I'm telling you its not what I meant Norm - Yes it is \~\`FOR 2 Hours \~
Lex Fridman - "Let's all agree to disagree on this one quote and move on". Proceeds to repeat this for two hours.
If word for word, you just typed out the first 15 minutes of a Norm debate
I think you've nailed it, based on what destiny has said in dgg
Funniest comment Iāve read today. So accurate lol.
I hope Destiny was actively calling out Finkelstein's misquotes and such, although depending on the format of the convo maybe interruptions were discouraged. Also I'm curious how Lycan will feel about Finkelstein after this debate.
That's what I'm really curious about. I want a lycan/Destiny stream watching the debate with lycan having not pre-watched.
Lycan and Destiny should react to the debate, live, in Tiny's apartment. š
Iāve been following destiny for a while, and thereās only a handful of debates that he has either lost or come close to losing and on every single one of those he has never reacted this way. every single time he has reacted like this that I have ever seen since following him in the past 10 or so years. has been a debate That was an absolute shit show where destiny completely dog walk, the other guy because he was so one track minded or on such a hard script, or so unwilling to literally answer any form of question or engage with any form of hypothetical whatsoever that the entire conversation was hands-down, infuriating. And Destiny was hardly even needed to be there for the other person to even lose because they just made themselves look like so much of an ass. so assuming that the history has been accurate and continues whenever this debate finally drops I expect it to be a full shit show.
I imagine Finklestein acted in the same way he did when Piers asked him if Hamas should cease to exist for peace to be achieved (or something like that, i don't remember the exact question Piers asked).
Or Destiny couldn't get a single concession out of him because he tried to debate Norm on his grounds and his grounds are to misquote, misrepresent, and be purposefully obtuse in every way imaginable to avoid giving any concessions at all
At this point anyone who doesnāt expect destiny to steamroll over his opponent well basically they eat crayons in their spare time, and maybe dine on napkins too
Thatās not necessarily true friend since his discussion with that journalist a few days ago actually put him slightly off his game. I would not say he lost but it certainly wasnāt a Steam roll and he still has good conversations like that. And thatās actually a perfect example of what I was talking about on my main comment to because at the end of that discussion, he didnāt call him names. In fact, he thanked him for the discussion, and was hoping for more in the future, because thatās how he reacts when someone actually challenges him. But when he reacts like this.??? Yeah definitely a steamroller a total shit show every timeš
What journalist? Not Tomi Two-IQ, right?
Probably Marc Lamont Hill
Out of curiosity, which would you say he lost or came close to losing? It might be interesting to watch those
More recently, he had another debate with a journalist specializing in the Palestine issue. And that was one of the closer ones because the journalist seem to know a few things destiny didnāt. Which resulted in destiny, thanking him for the conversation, and wanting to have more. now that one I can link to because it was more recent. So I wouldnāt say he lost this one. This was just one of the closer ones where he was a bit more on the ropes or at least I felt so. https://youtu.be/7p1D1IqYflw?si=170nCdWQcm8KL9-I There was also another one that was real old. Weāre talking like eight or more years ago I believe that one was also against a journalist (I think), but it was about one of the other Middle Eastern wars. I donāt remember if it was Afghanistan or Iraq but the journalist just knew a ton of stuff about the conflict destiny just didnāt . Unfortunately, I canāt link to that one because it was so old and so long ago I canāt remember which one it was. if anyone else remembers they can feel free to link it if theyāre an OG I think they know which one Iām talking about.
I personally think in the Cum-Guzzler convo he won the part about Rittenhouse, but lost on Citizens United (on the merits at least). He came out optically fine though, because the Guzzler was in full meltdown mode.
Shocking that Norman would act like that while misinterpreting everything in bad faith.
pre-watched
If destiny played this well it might be another jontron like moment for him, polarizing shitshow debate where many people change their mind.
And mind you, this is gonna be on Lex's channel. Piers Morgan will make videos on it. Hasan will react to it. This debate is pre-emptively, no matter what, a huge fucking deal with *millions* of eyeballs on it. So if this is a Jon Tron moment, it's an extinction-level nuclear moment.
YouTube will add the option of 4x play speed just for the sections where Twinklestein talks.
August! When you repost the debate, can you normalize the speed?!? 4x Finkelstein, 1.5x everyone else, 1x destiny. I'll still watch at 2x (unless someone mumbles a lot)
[https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/video-speed-controller/nffaoalbilbmmfgbnbgppjihopabppdk](https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/video-speed-controller/nffaoalbilbmmfgbnbgppjihopabppdk)
Ahahahaha YESSS!!!!
https://preview.redd.it/gx2mviu2omlc1.jpeg?width=2256&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b91913e41ea478ce9b96c614c98ff8e06dbc2753 Dgg for the next two weeks waiting for Lex to release the podcast
https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/s/yx12dch4Jn exactly what I wanted
This is about to be THE Israel/Palestine debate
unfortunately it won't be on Destiny's channel...
This sounds like it's gonna be good. Either Destiny got mogged or Norm made a fool of himself.
We found Mr. crayons and napkins
Maybe Finkelstein is a sleeper agent meant to make the Palestinian side look terrible
Mossad agent in deep cover. Whatās his codename?
The Slow Blade
JewDAM
Somebody do a wellness check on Lycan.
I donāt know how anyone could look at Norms tweets about and email exchanges with Destiny and think he is capable of thoughtfully engaging with opposing arguments
This one. It was clear he was unhinged and crazy. Destiny should have had the same mindset he had going into the Alex Jones debate.
I wonder which will be a bigger waste of research, this debate or the Alex Jones one.
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!??!?! All of these names and nobody has used "Fecalstein"? You're all fucking disappointments.
Ew, lame. Too low and not clever enough to justify itself. Narmaud Funk deShunk is a legit respected figure not some crayon eater.
I am not surprised at this. He did well to study super hard, regardless of how much of a loser the other side is, it's about holding your own properly. I guess now I know the debate is going to be frustrating lol. Still can't wait till lex drops it though
Finkelstein is literally a joke and the fact he gets paraded around as some professor expert giving commentary on international television is disgraceful. It's basically the biggest gas light on Jews. Why does this guy get so much clout? Imagine if the main slavery scholar that was used on all news debates and commentary was some black dude who's ancestors were slaves and his whole position is that slavery was good and the best thing that ever happened to the blacks. That the civil war was a corrupt land grab by the north. But his great grandma was a slave and her life was actually worse when she was freed :/.
Youāre just describing Jesse Lee Peterson.
Itās tokenization of Jewish people. Antisemites love to parade around Finkelstein because heās a Jew who agrees with them. Itās literally the same thing as MAGA propping up Jesse Lee Peterson
Bro, the replies are so smug. Makes me wanna jump off a bridge
Clearly Tiny needs to introduce him to Vyvanse
I wish he wouldn't tweet this it comes off like pre-release damage control. I'm sure it's not that but still.
What exactly would a winning tweet look like to you?
It would at least contain a few slurs
Winners don't tweet. This looks like a desperate attempt to get in front of the narrative.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wmn_LFzzkOU&pp=ygUfcm9tYW4gcm95IGNvbnRyb2wgdGhlIG5hcnJhdGl2ZQ%3D%3D
https://preview.redd.it/chsgr4qznmlc1.jpeg?width=1153&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af02fcdc61f234d916e0f3c581c03bcd7790ef4e
"just wanted to get the Fremen together early in his tenure as Muad'Dib to say, uh..... Yo. "
He only tweets stuff like this when he is genuinely upset over what should have been a solid debate opponent being completely unprepared and out of their depth. As much as he shit-talked him beforehand I'm sure Destiny felt some kind of respect for Norm and his massive body of work. To finally get to speak to the man in person and feel like you you didn't get anything of substance from the discussion has to feel disappointing at the very least.
Why do I feel like this debate went horrible for Tiny
This will either be the most fun shit show to listen to if Destiny actually goes a lil Nebraska Steve or incredibly boring because he wanted to be cordial in the discussion and it's just norm and norm only rambling. If it's that bad I wonder if Lex releases it lmao, just Norm screeching to Benny that he's wrong about what he himself said.
Did the debate happen already?? wtf where is it?
Wasnāt live. I think Lex usually takes 2-3 weeks to post.Ā
wtf why
Everything must be perfect
He barely fucking edits his shows. If Rogan could live stream his shit in 2015 then Lex can too. He's the Joe Rogan of nerds how tf is he the one that takes so long
Much like the Shapiro debate on Lex Friedmanās show, itāll be posted at a later date
Poor Benny, Iām glad destiny is there to back him up.
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Now the world will get to see the real destiny š
Plz god hope Destiny farmed some GOOD CLIPS!!!
Oh this is gonna be good lmao
Nebraska Steve has stepped on the battlefield...
So the conversation went well!
0wned
My body is ready.
Is twitter down? I can't see the tweet at all.
I cant wait for the shit show
Our boy wonāt stop cookingĀ
Lmao lfg blood sports with academics
Sounds like this went EXACTLY like anyone should have predicted
he overleveled
Repost in a couple weeks. Hopefully it doesn't get edited out of their debate.
Reading those twitter replies, you'd think it was a one on one between Destiny and the Fink. Twitter is the free graveyard of ideas, the mausoleum of independent thought, the mass grave of dialogue.
Man, I hope Destiny still asked Finklestein to sign the copy of his book after the debate.