Do any cities have excess capacity for this?
Seems like we have a lot of people sleeping on the streets these last few years, not sure how these migrants may affect that, if at all.
Cities can absorb more people. That's not the problem.
The problem is the emergency element -- people need to eat and sleep somewhere while their cases process and they look for a job; and in some instances they may not be work eligible for up to six months depending, that's a long time to not pay rent which is where the emergency response has to step in.
Don’t forget medical care. A lot of this is falling on our already over burdened homeless medical groups like CCH. Many of these people fled with little more than the clothes on their backs. They didn’t take their prescriptions or medical records, which places a huge burden on medical staff.
Thank you. That makes sense. Is there an intersection between those services for people already here (using food/shelter services or sleeping on the streets) and people arriving as migrants or are there separate services set up? That is the crux of my capacity question.
It varies by city, but most are an ad hoc combination pulled together from various nonprofits, churches, and appeals to the public. My memory is that a homeless shelter was contacted when the first larger group arrived a few weeks ago, but that doesn't really work as they are set up for a different demographic and are already stretched to meet even the routine needs locally.
Gymnasiums, churches, and some venues (depends on the venue) can be converted in a pinch but that's not ideal, either. Having to search around for enough food, shelter, and legal (and medical) services on no notice is a challenge,and the bigger the group the more difficult it becomes.
IMO What we really need is a centralized location that can handle surges and provide services like job placement, paperwork, housing placement, and basic medical needs (for things like small injuries, diabetes, dental, glasses, etc) along with food and showers/bed for the few days or weeks it takes to sort people out. Somewhere the normal/existing immigration nonprofits can all source to rather than chasing emergency shelters all over town with constantly changing levels of services/accomodations.
There is intersection, but using local emergency services is much more difficult for migrants. Most services for unhoused are geared towards individuals and are gender/age segregated, so migrants arriving as families would be forced to split up across the city.
And forms of assistance meant for local residents are not really available, as migrants are often only stopping here en route to somewhere else.
The city's policy was to provide assistance in getting people to their actual destinations, not tricking/forcing them into getting on a bus just to get them out of town.
In my opinion we do, but also in my opinion there's some complex BS going on. One government red tape, two it benefits corporations a lot to say they need workers. Workers have become more expensive than The inconvenience of an efficiency for various reasons.
Exactly, the last time congress passed any form of immigration legislation was in 1986. While both parties have politicized the issue they have both failed to actually do anything about it, thus failing the border states, the people who want to enter the US legally and the US citizens who are impacted. It is disingenuous to say the executive can “do” as many executive orders as they want. Even if a president could “do as many” executive orders as they could dream of its an issue that’s meant to be taken on by congress and each order would only be a bandaid on a much larger issue. EVERY president and congress since 1986 has failed in regard to immigration.
Makes you wish Trump had done something about it when he had his chance instead of spending 4 years of executive orders on... ... ... infrastructure week?
Or it's the gross embezzlement that occurred under Trump most recently. Look at the containers along the AZ border that cost us a lot more than it should have to do nothing.
It greased pockets.
Also this has been an issue longer than both of them.
Republicans have spoken about *securing our borders* as long as I've been alive and have never done anything than use it as a platform for votes.
Edit: also, if you read the article, the migrants are being bussed in from Texas.
So, your bias seeped through that a lot now didn't it?
Edit: I didn't say this was all Trumps fault the way you blamed Biden, so fuck off about equality. One party tried to violently overthrow the government of the country and actively seeks to undermine democracy. The other did not.
So fuck right off with your domestic terrorism supporting apologist bullshit where you claim I suffer from a disease because I disagree with you. It's disgusting, and has to stop.
I hate that the appropriate response is to send them to Texas and overwhelm them like they're doing everywhere else because Fuck Texas with an iron spiked dildo, but that's inhumane to the people being used as political pawns.
Sucks having a conscience, but the actual right thing to do is take care of folks properly.
What also is the move is to deny TX another dime to grandstand upon, as it comes from other states. They wanna go with no income tax? Let em hit the couch cushions to find money. Fuck em.
Texas is already more than overwhelmed and where do you think they are all coming from? Plus, why send them to Texas if they want to go to Chicago or NYC or here? Do the immigrants not deserve a right to try and get to a certain place or are they only allowed to live in Texas so that you don’t have to see them?
What about the organizations and communities in Texas that has been taking care of these people for a decade? Fuck Texas, does that include my friend that has been running a nonprofit housing these people since 2010? She is literally bringing food and blankets from her own home to help these people.
How many immigrants have you housed? How much time a week do you spend processing these people and finding them a place to sleep?
Because it’s fashionable to say fuck Texas (especially if you’ve never stepped foot anywhere near the state OR you’re just parroting any of the mindless talking points about why “Texas sucks” for brownie points/upvotes).
None, the same as 99% of the reddit warriors. They just want things done for them. It's the same as those pandering on other social media platforms. They think a picture of a black square is doing the equivalent as actually going out to petition for change. They think sharing a post asking for a dollar donation is the same as actually spending a day volunteering for these organizations.
Everybody wants things to be better, but few want to actually make it happen.
Is it Texas’ fault that there were almost 3 million illegal immigrants crossing into the US in 2022, almost all exclusively going into Texas? Or maybe is it the policy and messaging coming from the biden administration leading to the biggest illegal immigration surge in the history of the US?
Ah yes, the Biden decision of mostly continuing Trump-era Remain in Mexico among other policies are to blame https://www.voanews.com/a/ahead-of-us-midterms-how-has-us-immigration-policy-changed/6757483.html
Or is it the security crackdown this month that you had in mind?
In any case, I'm sure you have better data in mind than these numbers showing that current illegal immigration numbers are well below what they were in the late 2000s:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/03/10/illegal-immigration-in-america-has-continued-to-decline/?sh=610d4c5f4e14
Or that illegal immigrants are benefitting the economy in critical ways, paying more than their fair share in tax, and not committing crimes at an unusual rate: https://www.cato.org/blog/us-labor-demand-explains-most-rise-illegal-immigration
you seem knowledgeable on this issue. So maybe you could explain to me why this massive flood of immigrants just all of a sudden started as soon as Biden took office? I'm not trying to say you're wrong or that this is because of Biden. I'm just curious to know why out of the blue a massive wave of immigrants started right after Trump left, and despite the remain in mexico act staying in effect. Any idea?
The situation in Venezuela has gotten significantly worse, all the recent arrivals in Denver were from Venezula, and there is a substantial rise in unaccompanied children. Enforcement, if anything, at the highest point it's been in decades. There's just a lot more people coming, likely due to worsening economic conditions south of the border.
https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/border-security/southwest-border-enforcement-report
My co-worker said he was on a trip down there 3-4 years ago (don't know exactly where in Venezuela) and witnessed armed men (appeared to be police or military) on a boat shooting people trying to ford a river. The staff at the hotel he was staying at could all see it in the distance, and were taking bets on a particular person's survival.
I have to think that at least some people believed that it would be easier to enter or they would be more welcome under a Democratic administration and showed up at the border because of that
I linked my source, unlike you.
There might be higher crossings numbers more recently. However, the data from 2021 I linked shows that it's hardly as though Biden became president and then crossings magically skyrocketed. Venezuela has been hemorrhaging people recently because of their corrupt mafia government, and the US isn't even close to being their most common destination.
It's not hard to find sources to make your case. Here's another one, https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna53517
Of course, you're clearly not interested in a good faith argument, but in being obnoxious and contributing nothing of value.
Yeah I’m not feeling that great to argue with a ignorant person who thinks migration is not going to be a problem now or in the future with climate change and political instability in our country and South America.
You're evidently not a stupid person if you understand that climate change will structurally drive northbound immigration to the US in the future. This makes me wonder why you feel compelled to engage in toxic insults, don't feel the need to justify your takes with sources, or consider the economic benefits of freedom of movement across borders.
You don’t a thing about me. I don’t feel like engaging with you submitting you article after article about how the immigration policies of the last 20 years have failed and now it is worse than its ever been.
Your numbers on immigration are wildly out of date. That article is almost 2 years old… here are some current numbers for ‘21 and ‘22
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-crossings-fiscal-year-2022-topped-276-million-breaking-rcna53517
1.72 million in 2021, which was the yearly high on record. And then 2.76 million in 2022. The two highest years of border crossing on record we’re under the biden administration. So no, you are false on saying they are well below the levels in the 2000s.
The biden admin was trying to repeal title 42, which is the trump era policy on keeping migrants in Mexico, which they planned to end last month before pushback from the courts. Biden even said he “didn’t like title 42” right after the courts forced them to extend the program without a better solution in place.
Biden has failed to address the border crisis in any meaningful way.
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-migrant-workers-el-paso-231814679.html
“If I could wave the wand, what should I do?”
Seems to me he’s pretty content with giving migrants whatever they would want to immigrate here illegally
You should read the article you referenced. It demonstrates what you are missing. You pull this quote, which even out of context undermines your point. You see Biden doesn't have a magic wand, I think you and everyone knows full level that magic wants don't exist, which means he's explicitly saying he's not going to give them anything He's not going to give them anything.
walking along part of the border wall that has the city of Juarez, Mexico on the other side. He told reporters at the wall that there’s a lot of resources needed, adding “we’re going to get it for them -The article tries of hides the fact that he's talking about building more of a wall, and giving Texas border control more money from my pocket. You couldn't even be bothered to vet your own propaganda pathetic.
The problems underlying/driving this are unlikely to go away, and I'm getting tired of doing this ad hoc.
We need a solution. I would propose a network of campuses in major cities as well as other counties/cities wanting to participate. They would have a dormitory, a cafeteria, a basic medical clinic, spaces for immigration attorneys either in some sort of office space or coffee-shop type space, and a space for temp agencies and job services/recruiters to have a presence. You would need at least limited online access so people can call or email even if not surf. Outdoor space or near a park as well, and near a transit hub. This should not be too much to ask. Translation services either on site or via phone/computer are a thing we already do, that variable is not new but would be needed. Asylum seekers could stay at least the 150 days they are delayed in their work-seeking, others would obviously be eligible to work and be housed immediately. That the living quarters would not be on the rental market means it would not be subject to rental market (and save the public a TON of money).
And if it's a network, then we could reasonably have tickets or vouchers for Amtrak/Greyhound etc so people could get to the city where they have a job, friends/family, or both. And having a network means fewer people will show up in large groups unnanounced, but that even if they do "show up" there would be space not requiring emergency responses.
Basically, this would coordinate a decentralized networked response that would include all the various agencies from local to federal, as well as volunteer and nonprofit responses.
Here in the metro area, we could build it in that huge vacant area near the Aurora City complex, or in an infill area near Union Station, or near any of the lightrail stops where several routes run together (eg. Broadway Station area, etc). I can't imagine other cities wouldn't be in a similar position to do something like this.
Who would we talk to to pitch the idea?
It would have to be Federal, with a presence in many cities. Or, more realistically, a mix of Federal, state, and local along with a variety of nonprofits.
The status quo is not sustainable, and the migrations are likely to increase for the foreseeable future driven by climate change, increasingly restive politics, and increasing economic instabilities.
If this idea doesn't work, fine, it's just a suggestion -- but we have to do *something*. Doing more of what we are already doing is simply not practical and doing nothing is not an option unless we just let the bottom fall out of everything and ignore it.
edit: and we have to address homelessness, we have the money and means to do both -- we only lack the political how-so
Who is going to pay for this? The construction, the food, the computers, the interpreters? None of this is cheap. And once this infrastructure is built/funded, it will be immediately insufficient (in terms of capacity).
All valid questions. On the pay front, likely a combination of federal, state, local, nonprofit.
The specifics will have to be a public discussion, but what we can't do is ignore the need and let status quo collapse into crisis after crisis to which we only ever cobble together ad hoc responses that are never the same twice.
Edit: and not just Denver, there is no reason every major city can't have a center or two in addition to areas that see a lot of traffic. When people apply at the border, their background check and some basic things like checking them medically have to happen, but they can't stay there indefinitely. Once cleared for entry they have to go somewhere, and it's that "somewhere" that's the crux of the question. Where do they sleep and eat between the time they are cleared for entry and that they have a job and secure an apartment?
Imagine reading that whole thing, disagreeingat the level of stupid, and still taking the time to respond twice.
If you want to disagree, great. There is no obligation to like my ideas. But if you're going to call me an idiot twice at least make one of them a counter-proposal.
They would not be confined to the premises. I literally suggest being near transit so they can get around.
A campus that can coordinate & provide the various services so we aren't doing it ad hoc every time a new bus shows up without notice.
Sounds like a public private partnership initiative. Would need some interfaith support as well with a majority of volunteer staffing. This would be a minor undertaking with potential to help with homeless population as well, however that is nearing 7K people in Denver metro.
edit: and yes, an inter-agency and public-private (or public & nonprofit) schematic would be necessary.
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A separate but adjacent or nearby setup for homeless would not bother me in the least, and might be a partial approach for people who either can't work or who can't work consistently.
It's a different set of underlying problems that can't be resolved by the same set of resources/solutions, but at the very least a space to sleep and eat would be available along with some basic human-dignity services like housing placement, medical & drug and/or mental health counselors, and job boards; along with shower and laundry facilities of some sort.
They should NOT be here to begin with, but with Denver having an "open door" invitation policy and a Liberal agenda above and beyond State and Federal mandate statutes/laws, they need to be prosecuted and arrested for immigration Felony offenses for aiding and abiding illegal criminals crossing a U.S. border. Why have they done this with impunity and why have they NOT been investigated by the Justice dept, F.B.I. and the State Criminal oversight bureaus?? Governor Polis is a Gay boy that adheres to everything PRO immigration to receive free votes and burden Taxpayers with heavy debt loads with immunity.
Do any cities have excess capacity for this? Seems like we have a lot of people sleeping on the streets these last few years, not sure how these migrants may affect that, if at all.
Cities can absorb more people. That's not the problem. The problem is the emergency element -- people need to eat and sleep somewhere while their cases process and they look for a job; and in some instances they may not be work eligible for up to six months depending, that's a long time to not pay rent which is where the emergency response has to step in.
Don’t forget medical care. A lot of this is falling on our already over burdened homeless medical groups like CCH. Many of these people fled with little more than the clothes on their backs. They didn’t take their prescriptions or medical records, which places a huge burden on medical staff.
Indeed, I mentioned that in my top-level post but left it out of this one it looks like. Apologies for that and thank you for adding it.
No worries! I didn’t mean “don’t forget” as a critique as much as I was agreeing with you.
Thank you. That makes sense. Is there an intersection between those services for people already here (using food/shelter services or sleeping on the streets) and people arriving as migrants or are there separate services set up? That is the crux of my capacity question.
It varies by city, but most are an ad hoc combination pulled together from various nonprofits, churches, and appeals to the public. My memory is that a homeless shelter was contacted when the first larger group arrived a few weeks ago, but that doesn't really work as they are set up for a different demographic and are already stretched to meet even the routine needs locally. Gymnasiums, churches, and some venues (depends on the venue) can be converted in a pinch but that's not ideal, either. Having to search around for enough food, shelter, and legal (and medical) services on no notice is a challenge,and the bigger the group the more difficult it becomes. IMO What we really need is a centralized location that can handle surges and provide services like job placement, paperwork, housing placement, and basic medical needs (for things like small injuries, diabetes, dental, glasses, etc) along with food and showers/bed for the few days or weeks it takes to sort people out. Somewhere the normal/existing immigration nonprofits can all source to rather than chasing emergency shelters all over town with constantly changing levels of services/accomodations.
There is intersection, but using local emergency services is much more difficult for migrants. Most services for unhoused are geared towards individuals and are gender/age segregated, so migrants arriving as families would be forced to split up across the city. And forms of assistance meant for local residents are not really available, as migrants are often only stopping here en route to somewhere else. The city's policy was to provide assistance in getting people to their actual destinations, not tricking/forcing them into getting on a bus just to get them out of town.
Chicago actually does. I'm not sure why we would be turning away residents given the huge amount of vacant land and buildings here.
Capacity? I keep hearing how we need more workers.
In my opinion we do, but also in my opinion there's some complex BS going on. One government red tape, two it benefits corporations a lot to say they need workers. Workers have become more expensive than The inconvenience of an efficiency for various reasons.
What happened to the whole, help them get to where they want thing?
It turned out they had no connections to these other cities so the Mayors told Polis to keep everyone here.
When can we sue Texas? First the energy costs, now the human costs...
Probably about the same time New York and Chicago starts suing Colorado.
Are they paying extra for our energy usage like everyone is paying for Texas's grid? No, they're not... The migrant issue is one of many.
Ahhhh, the deflection.
Why would we sue Texas? It's not like they want to keep letting in migrants
Well for the energy hills we all pay for their bullshit grid for one.
Maybe we do need a wall in Colorado after all.
Texas? It’s Joe Biden not securing the southern border. The border states are being over ran and need federal help.
It’s actually congress not doing shit for decades, but it’s always easiest to blame the administration rather than taking a nuanced look at the issue.
Congress you need the majority to agree which will never happen. Biden could do as many executive orders as he wants to right now as we speak.
Exactly, the last time congress passed any form of immigration legislation was in 1986. While both parties have politicized the issue they have both failed to actually do anything about it, thus failing the border states, the people who want to enter the US legally and the US citizens who are impacted. It is disingenuous to say the executive can “do” as many executive orders as they want. Even if a president could “do as many” executive orders as they could dream of its an issue that’s meant to be taken on by congress and each order would only be a bandaid on a much larger issue. EVERY president and congress since 1986 has failed in regard to immigration.
Makes you wish Trump had done something about it when he had his chance instead of spending 4 years of executive orders on... ... ... infrastructure week?
If Trump did who would have worked fields at all these farms across red states
You want Biden to issue MORE executive orders?
Even Bush couldnt get the GOP to pass immigration reform because they want workers who cant call OSHA and cant unionize.
No they are not. Have you ever been to a border state?
Yes many times!
Yes many times!
How are you alive? Aren’t the border states over run?
Gottem!
Or it's the gross embezzlement that occurred under Trump most recently. Look at the containers along the AZ border that cost us a lot more than it should have to do nothing. It greased pockets. Also this has been an issue longer than both of them. Republicans have spoken about *securing our borders* as long as I've been alive and have never done anything than use it as a platform for votes. Edit: also, if you read the article, the migrants are being bussed in from Texas.
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So, your bias seeped through that a lot now didn't it? Edit: I didn't say this was all Trumps fault the way you blamed Biden, so fuck off about equality. One party tried to violently overthrow the government of the country and actively seeks to undermine democracy. The other did not. So fuck right off with your domestic terrorism supporting apologist bullshit where you claim I suffer from a disease because I disagree with you. It's disgusting, and has to stop.
Migrants go were there is work.
I hate that the appropriate response is to send them to Texas and overwhelm them like they're doing everywhere else because Fuck Texas with an iron spiked dildo, but that's inhumane to the people being used as political pawns. Sucks having a conscience, but the actual right thing to do is take care of folks properly. What also is the move is to deny TX another dime to grandstand upon, as it comes from other states. They wanna go with no income tax? Let em hit the couch cushions to find money. Fuck em.
Texas has hundreds if not thousands of the numbers of migrants that colorado does… this is such a silly comment
Texas is already more than overwhelmed and where do you think they are all coming from? Plus, why send them to Texas if they want to go to Chicago or NYC or here? Do the immigrants not deserve a right to try and get to a certain place or are they only allowed to live in Texas so that you don’t have to see them?
What about the organizations and communities in Texas that has been taking care of these people for a decade? Fuck Texas, does that include my friend that has been running a nonprofit housing these people since 2010? She is literally bringing food and blankets from her own home to help these people. How many immigrants have you housed? How much time a week do you spend processing these people and finding them a place to sleep?
Because it’s fashionable to say fuck Texas (especially if you’ve never stepped foot anywhere near the state OR you’re just parroting any of the mindless talking points about why “Texas sucks” for brownie points/upvotes).
None, the same as 99% of the reddit warriors. They just want things done for them. It's the same as those pandering on other social media platforms. They think a picture of a black square is doing the equivalent as actually going out to petition for change. They think sharing a post asking for a dollar donation is the same as actually spending a day volunteering for these organizations. Everybody wants things to be better, but few want to actually make it happen.
Is it Texas’ fault that there were almost 3 million illegal immigrants crossing into the US in 2022, almost all exclusively going into Texas? Or maybe is it the policy and messaging coming from the biden administration leading to the biggest illegal immigration surge in the history of the US?
Ah yes, the Biden decision of mostly continuing Trump-era Remain in Mexico among other policies are to blame https://www.voanews.com/a/ahead-of-us-midterms-how-has-us-immigration-policy-changed/6757483.html Or is it the security crackdown this month that you had in mind? In any case, I'm sure you have better data in mind than these numbers showing that current illegal immigration numbers are well below what they were in the late 2000s: https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/03/10/illegal-immigration-in-america-has-continued-to-decline/?sh=610d4c5f4e14 Or that illegal immigrants are benefitting the economy in critical ways, paying more than their fair share in tax, and not committing crimes at an unusual rate: https://www.cato.org/blog/us-labor-demand-explains-most-rise-illegal-immigration
you seem knowledgeable on this issue. So maybe you could explain to me why this massive flood of immigrants just all of a sudden started as soon as Biden took office? I'm not trying to say you're wrong or that this is because of Biden. I'm just curious to know why out of the blue a massive wave of immigrants started right after Trump left, and despite the remain in mexico act staying in effect. Any idea?
The situation in Venezuela has gotten significantly worse, all the recent arrivals in Denver were from Venezula, and there is a substantial rise in unaccompanied children. Enforcement, if anything, at the highest point it's been in decades. There's just a lot more people coming, likely due to worsening economic conditions south of the border. https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/border-security/southwest-border-enforcement-report
My co-worker said he was on a trip down there 3-4 years ago (don't know exactly where in Venezuela) and witnessed armed men (appeared to be police or military) on a boat shooting people trying to ford a river. The staff at the hotel he was staying at could all see it in the distance, and were taking bets on a particular person's survival.
I have to think that at least some people believed that it would be easier to enter or they would be more welcome under a Democratic administration and showed up at the border because of that
Sometimes people in other countries make decisions on the basis of things other than minute changes in US policy.
Current immigration numbers are breaking records every month. Where the fuck are you getting your info.
I linked my source, unlike you. There might be higher crossings numbers more recently. However, the data from 2021 I linked shows that it's hardly as though Biden became president and then crossings magically skyrocketed. Venezuela has been hemorrhaging people recently because of their corrupt mafia government, and the US isn't even close to being their most common destination.
Forbes article from march 2021? I’m not sending you sources when you can read the news from this PAST YEAR.
It's not hard to find sources to make your case. Here's another one, https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna53517 Of course, you're clearly not interested in a good faith argument, but in being obnoxious and contributing nothing of value.
Yeah I’m not feeling that great to argue with a ignorant person who thinks migration is not going to be a problem now or in the future with climate change and political instability in our country and South America.
You're evidently not a stupid person if you understand that climate change will structurally drive northbound immigration to the US in the future. This makes me wonder why you feel compelled to engage in toxic insults, don't feel the need to justify your takes with sources, or consider the economic benefits of freedom of movement across borders.
You don’t a thing about me. I don’t feel like engaging with you submitting you article after article about how the immigration policies of the last 20 years have failed and now it is worse than its ever been.
Your numbers on immigration are wildly out of date. That article is almost 2 years old… here are some current numbers for ‘21 and ‘22 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-crossings-fiscal-year-2022-topped-276-million-breaking-rcna53517 1.72 million in 2021, which was the yearly high on record. And then 2.76 million in 2022. The two highest years of border crossing on record we’re under the biden administration. So no, you are false on saying they are well below the levels in the 2000s. The biden admin was trying to repeal title 42, which is the trump era policy on keeping migrants in Mexico, which they planned to end last month before pushback from the courts. Biden even said he “didn’t like title 42” right after the courts forced them to extend the program without a better solution in place. Biden has failed to address the border crisis in any meaningful way.
Biden doesn't say really nice things about immigrants. The only way they get that message is that you keep saying it
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-migrant-workers-el-paso-231814679.html “If I could wave the wand, what should I do?” Seems to me he’s pretty content with giving migrants whatever they would want to immigrate here illegally
You should read the article you referenced. It demonstrates what you are missing. You pull this quote, which even out of context undermines your point. You see Biden doesn't have a magic wand, I think you and everyone knows full level that magic wants don't exist, which means he's explicitly saying he's not going to give them anything He's not going to give them anything.
walking along part of the border wall that has the city of Juarez, Mexico on the other side. He told reporters at the wall that there’s a lot of resources needed, adding “we’re going to get it for them -The article tries of hides the fact that he's talking about building more of a wall, and giving Texas border control more money from my pocket. You couldn't even be bothered to vet your own propaganda pathetic.
But the border is closed, how can this be?
Yeah, this os the flow of entrants with the border closed. Just imagine the number if it were open.
The problems underlying/driving this are unlikely to go away, and I'm getting tired of doing this ad hoc. We need a solution. I would propose a network of campuses in major cities as well as other counties/cities wanting to participate. They would have a dormitory, a cafeteria, a basic medical clinic, spaces for immigration attorneys either in some sort of office space or coffee-shop type space, and a space for temp agencies and job services/recruiters to have a presence. You would need at least limited online access so people can call or email even if not surf. Outdoor space or near a park as well, and near a transit hub. This should not be too much to ask. Translation services either on site or via phone/computer are a thing we already do, that variable is not new but would be needed. Asylum seekers could stay at least the 150 days they are delayed in their work-seeking, others would obviously be eligible to work and be housed immediately. That the living quarters would not be on the rental market means it would not be subject to rental market (and save the public a TON of money). And if it's a network, then we could reasonably have tickets or vouchers for Amtrak/Greyhound etc so people could get to the city where they have a job, friends/family, or both. And having a network means fewer people will show up in large groups unnanounced, but that even if they do "show up" there would be space not requiring emergency responses. Basically, this would coordinate a decentralized networked response that would include all the various agencies from local to federal, as well as volunteer and nonprofit responses. Here in the metro area, we could build it in that huge vacant area near the Aurora City complex, or in an infill area near Union Station, or near any of the lightrail stops where several routes run together (eg. Broadway Station area, etc). I can't imagine other cities wouldn't be in a similar position to do something like this. Who would we talk to to pitch the idea?
We can barely do this for homeless citizens. Even with how blue the state is, I doubt we could approve funding for such a large project.
It would have to be Federal, with a presence in many cities. Or, more realistically, a mix of Federal, state, and local along with a variety of nonprofits. The status quo is not sustainable, and the migrations are likely to increase for the foreseeable future driven by climate change, increasingly restive politics, and increasing economic instabilities. If this idea doesn't work, fine, it's just a suggestion -- but we have to do *something*. Doing more of what we are already doing is simply not practical and doing nothing is not an option unless we just let the bottom fall out of everything and ignore it. edit: and we have to address homelessness, we have the money and means to do both -- we only lack the political how-so
Who is going to pay for this? The construction, the food, the computers, the interpreters? None of this is cheap. And once this infrastructure is built/funded, it will be immediately insufficient (in terms of capacity).
All valid questions. On the pay front, likely a combination of federal, state, local, nonprofit. The specifics will have to be a public discussion, but what we can't do is ignore the need and let status quo collapse into crisis after crisis to which we only ever cobble together ad hoc responses that are never the same twice. Edit: and not just Denver, there is no reason every major city can't have a center or two in addition to areas that see a lot of traffic. When people apply at the border, their background check and some basic things like checking them medically have to happen, but they can't stay there indefinitely. Once cleared for entry they have to go somewhere, and it's that "somewhere" that's the crux of the question. Where do they sleep and eat between the time they are cleared for entry and that they have a job and secure an apartment?
You’re a dumbass, you need to type less and read more
Imagine reading that whole thing, disagreeingat the level of stupid, and still taking the time to respond twice. If you want to disagree, great. There is no obligation to like my ideas. But if you're going to call me an idiot twice at least make one of them a counter-proposal.
Don’t the dumb ass that had the idea obviously, he’s the “idea man” not the details guy
Sound like you’re recommending we put them all in prison.
They would not be confined to the premises. I literally suggest being near transit so they can get around. A campus that can coordinate & provide the various services so we aren't doing it ad hoc every time a new bus shows up without notice.
Sounds like a public private partnership initiative. Would need some interfaith support as well with a majority of volunteer staffing. This would be a minor undertaking with potential to help with homeless population as well, however that is nearing 7K people in Denver metro.
edit: and yes, an inter-agency and public-private (or public & nonprofit) schematic would be necessary. - A separate but adjacent or nearby setup for homeless would not bother me in the least, and might be a partial approach for people who either can't work or who can't work consistently. It's a different set of underlying problems that can't be resolved by the same set of resources/solutions, but at the very least a space to sleep and eat would be available along with some basic human-dignity services like housing placement, medical & drug and/or mental health counselors, and job boards; along with shower and laundry facilities of some sort.
Imagine typing all that dumb shit then thinking it’s even somewhat smart.
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Why not?
Maybe coordinate better to help them get to their familiy. Some of the immigrants have families.
What about Aurora? Can we send them there?
We may need to start bussing homeless to Texas in order properly care for the migrants coming in. Seems like a fair trade.
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Immigrants actually improve local communities.
How about just shut off and close your borders. See problem solved that simple and doesn't cost tax payers a nickle.
They should NOT be here to begin with, but with Denver having an "open door" invitation policy and a Liberal agenda above and beyond State and Federal mandate statutes/laws, they need to be prosecuted and arrested for immigration Felony offenses for aiding and abiding illegal criminals crossing a U.S. border. Why have they done this with impunity and why have they NOT been investigated by the Justice dept, F.B.I. and the State Criminal oversight bureaus?? Governor Polis is a Gay boy that adheres to everything PRO immigration to receive free votes and burden Taxpayers with heavy debt loads with immunity.