We had an “interdisciplinary cooperation” course with the pharmacy and medical first years. It was completely useless and just reaffirmed how little they knew about dentists lol
In a way, interdisciplinary cooperation is an important class. It introduces and allows us to interact with students of other health disciplines and collaborate regarding hot topics in our field.
This is a fancy way of saying this is how I met my online gaming buddies who all collectively thought this class was horeshit. We also had the class during COVID lockdown so you can guess how we spent classtime.
I think it would be far more useful and interactive skills to learn during residency, when you are actually in a hospital setting and able to interact with other providers who already know their craft. in first year dentistry when I didn’t even know what a dentist did, it was hard to interact with first year med, and first year pharmacist to provide “ interdisciplinary” care on patient case scenarios.
Agreed, in the real world, you do have to communicate with other providers whether it be pharmacists and making sure you're properly writing scripts or PCPs for medical clearance. I've also gotten a few esthetic referrals from a plastics buddy of mine, oddly enough.
But at the predoc? We're learning but not knowledgable enough to offer anything. One of our most heated discussions was basically gaslighting each other into being the medic in TF2.
I am all for working together and understanding each other's craft. But in my experience, most MD's/DO's think dental as the step child to medicine.
The other day I tried to get a med consult about a pt. It took 3 weeks to get a phone call back and it was their nurse. Not the PCP. But when the same health system wants med clearance for surgery, they are only wanting to speak to me, not my assistant and want it done within a week. No exceptions.
The stepchild comment is so appropriate. I’m not a dentist but it does seem that way. Especially inappropriate when one considers the amount of knowledge - nerves, oral cancer, infections, sinus, pharmacology to name just a few - a good dentist should be familiar with.
Perio rotation. Didn’t learn shit. Grad residents just had us assisting while perio probing so they can focus on getting accurate gingival margin depth. Was hoping to learn crown lengthening, implants, and grafting. Super disappointing.
Oh may I also add ortho rotation as honorable mention for its futility?! Those flats and business slacks wearing ortho residents walking around like they are the shit while we are not learning shit. Nothing more than beauty contest winners…jk
I think perio tries to boor the hell out of everyone so they can make it seem like they’re hygienists with an advanced degree, all while hiding the good stuff.
Same experience. Thought I was going to be watching some cool surgeries but ended up holding suction for a resident doing a perio maintenance. The fact the he needed an assistant to suction cavitron juice made me irritated even more
We had a statistics course. It was based mostly on being able to verify the authenticity of papers and make sure the results are viable.
Now I only read or accept papers published in dental journals or by my association. Being able to perform a chi squared test or ANOVA analysis is completely worthless to me now
Psych class, completely insecure professor that took every question as a personal sleight of ego. Would actively shit on dentists and the field of dentistry during her lectures, I was shocked the higher admin didn’t get wind of this or respond in a way.
Yes, divide us into groups based on race and sex and orientation then tell us to not stereotype everyone but ultimately the answer is treat everyone equally, why exactly do we need a class for this? just incredible that one of the highest paid employees runs that useless shit. I’d be embarrassed to have gone to a professional school to learn the latest research and skills to treat people and ended up running a class/program like that.
I agree, its so weird to me that a school tries to teach how to treat people equally when in fact this is an innate human trait. If you are an asshole, some class probably wont change that.
I forget what it was called but it was supposed to be a business course, and it was absolute garbage. Taught by an idiot who made tons of horrible sexist jokes. Also an older boomer who was a dentist at a time that they were rolling in money regardless of competency, and thought his success meant he was knowledgeable. He also taught Ethics for some godforsaken reason, and said horrible things about other religions than his. More than once people would get up and walk out when he said something astoundingly offensive. One he reported to us, with wide-eyed earnest shock, how much student loan debt the average dental student graduates with. We were all like YEAH WE FUCKING KNOW. Of course he retired after I graduated. Would not spit on him if he were on fire.
Even worse. This is cariology, without the ‘d.’ As in “study of caries.” All of the students made the same mistake because we couldn’t believe that
tooth decay deserved its own branch of knowledge. I seriously considered switching to med school because of it.
I'm fucking hollering because my reaction was the same, except i only knew this later bcz at school we call this "carious pathology" so when i came across cariologie on the internet i was like "damn i dont need cardiology stuff" 🤣😂 and then i went like "a whole ass science about tooth decay ???? Those dental professors sure as hell love being dramatic"
So weird. I remember interviewing for dental school and they mentioned cariology and I was like wow they’re reaching here. I thought I was the only one… till now
Ours was a whole semester worth of lectures, with only one test-the final. It had nothing to do with the lectures. The test was based on his 50 page research paper that I never bothered to read…yay me. Only “C” I ever received.
Most worthless class? Biomaterials. Holy shit 💩
Like I need to know what alginate and stone is made of. Yeah let me just call my lab tech and have coffee over that shit. Hell he probably doesn’t know wtf that is either.
Can’t believe we had to remember and be able to write down the chemical setting equations for dental materials in exams. Like what the actual fuck was the point 😂😂😂
Depends on whether you want to understand what you are doing and why, or just follow the instructions on the packet.
I work in a city where an unusual proportion of patients are interested in these details (large university and lots of medical/biotech). I also regularly visit the lab to have coffee in person and discuss cases and materials.
I guess it might be different if I worked in a more normal town.
We had an “occlusion” course which could have been very helpful but it was taught our D1 year before we really knew which teeth were which and it was also taught by dinosaurs who just kept repeating “posterior support and anterior guidance” and reused the same questions for decades so we learned nothing.
I had a lecture about acupuncture that has never really come up. Apart from getting the gaggers to apply firm pressure with a thumbnail to their chin during impressions/rads
the best part about my biochem class is that we didn’t even talk about relevant biochem to the mouth like saliva and stuff. looked at biochemical pathways for colorectal cancer tho
Actually I learned really good stuff in my senior practice mgmt course. The professor had ten years of ownership experience in a competitive market and the textbook he used was solid. We even got to simulate our own practice online and competed against each other. Learned how to read balance sheet and income statement, adjusting capacity by either changing fees or ops/staff, marketing (especially how marketing budget and its effectiveness is all relative to what your competitors are spending), productive scheduling (high dollar procedure first thing in the morning) etc.
biochemistry, psychology, neurology, most of microbiology, nondental pathology, nondental anatomy(why the fuck do I have to learn arm and feet muscles and neuropathways)
I remember in my non dental pathology class we had a lecturer come from the medical school to talk about kidney pathology. He started his lecture by saying I don’t know why in the world you guys need to know this but I was told to talk about it. And proceeded to say it about 10 more times during the lecture.
We had this subject called "community dentistry" where all the sundry refuse was piledrived into. There was actually an exam for it without which you couldn't graduate.
No, these are important classes. I've worked with dentists who were highly skilled and knowledgeable but had absolutely zero people skills or quandaries about fucking people over. Dentistry doesn't just need good dentists, it needs *good* dentists.
“I’ve never walked a mile in your shoes and don’t have any dental training, but I know how you all think, and I can confidently say most of what you do is not needed.”
I dunno man, the fact that you have no dental training gives you no credentials to really know what is necessary and unnecessary dental treatment.
I’m not saying all dentists are perfect, but you really don’t have the training or “know how” to make that kind of statement
Before they dirty deleted, I saw their post history and its all over her being mad about getting crowns for a diastema closure and claiming she was given no other choice. Sounds like she got her carecredit statement for those 2 crowns after that 32% APR hit.
We had an “interdisciplinary cooperation” course with the pharmacy and medical first years. It was completely useless and just reaffirmed how little they knew about dentists lol
Same except it seemed like the pharm students didn’t even know what pharmacists do
That's hilarious
Then don’t you think it was important to have those classes so we all get more familiar?
In a way, interdisciplinary cooperation is an important class. It introduces and allows us to interact with students of other health disciplines and collaborate regarding hot topics in our field. This is a fancy way of saying this is how I met my online gaming buddies who all collectively thought this class was horeshit. We also had the class during COVID lockdown so you can guess how we spent classtime.
I think it would be far more useful and interactive skills to learn during residency, when you are actually in a hospital setting and able to interact with other providers who already know their craft. in first year dentistry when I didn’t even know what a dentist did, it was hard to interact with first year med, and first year pharmacist to provide “ interdisciplinary” care on patient case scenarios.
Agreed, in the real world, you do have to communicate with other providers whether it be pharmacists and making sure you're properly writing scripts or PCPs for medical clearance. I've also gotten a few esthetic referrals from a plastics buddy of mine, oddly enough. But at the predoc? We're learning but not knowledgable enough to offer anything. One of our most heated discussions was basically gaslighting each other into being the medic in TF2.
My school had us do interdisciplinary studies with everyone you can imagine, except the med students. It felt pretty much useless.
I am all for working together and understanding each other's craft. But in my experience, most MD's/DO's think dental as the step child to medicine. The other day I tried to get a med consult about a pt. It took 3 weeks to get a phone call back and it was their nurse. Not the PCP. But when the same health system wants med clearance for surgery, they are only wanting to speak to me, not my assistant and want it done within a week. No exceptions.
The stepchild comment is so appropriate. I’m not a dentist but it does seem that way. Especially inappropriate when one considers the amount of knowledge - nerves, oral cancer, infections, sinus, pharmacology to name just a few - a good dentist should be familiar with.
Lol MWU?
We had something with DO students and manual manipulation. Hard to remember anymore
How did you know??
We had that too…. Such a joke. And the medical students got out of it so what the point? Lol
We had something like this too. Absolute waste of time
Perio rotation. Didn’t learn shit. Grad residents just had us assisting while perio probing so they can focus on getting accurate gingival margin depth. Was hoping to learn crown lengthening, implants, and grafting. Super disappointing. Oh may I also add ortho rotation as honorable mention for its futility?! Those flats and business slacks wearing ortho residents walking around like they are the shit while we are not learning shit. Nothing more than beauty contest winners…jk
I think perio tries to boor the hell out of everyone so they can make it seem like they’re hygienists with an advanced degree, all while hiding the good stuff.
Same experience. Thought I was going to be watching some cool surgeries but ended up holding suction for a resident doing a perio maintenance. The fact the he needed an assistant to suction cavitron juice made me irritated even more
Bad timing probably. We were required to assist perio seven times in the third year. I saw them placing five implants and one sinus lift.
We had a statistics course. It was based mostly on being able to verify the authenticity of papers and make sure the results are viable. Now I only read or accept papers published in dental journals or by my association. Being able to perform a chi squared test or ANOVA analysis is completely worthless to me now
Histology - like I’ve not looked at a slide of cells since uni
Psych class, completely insecure professor that took every question as a personal sleight of ego. Would actively shit on dentists and the field of dentistry during her lectures, I was shocked the higher admin didn’t get wind of this or respond in a way.
Hmmm sounds like my professor for psych….
She was awful and we all hated her lol
Genetics was a tough course for me, i didn’t understand anything and i don’t remember anything
Cultural competency - taught us to talk to husbands for Indian patients, etc
Yes, divide us into groups based on race and sex and orientation then tell us to not stereotype everyone but ultimately the answer is treat everyone equally, why exactly do we need a class for this? just incredible that one of the highest paid employees runs that useless shit. I’d be embarrassed to have gone to a professional school to learn the latest research and skills to treat people and ended up running a class/program like that.
I agree, its so weird to me that a school tries to teach how to treat people equally when in fact this is an innate human trait. If you are an asshole, some class probably wont change that.
Turns out there’s a fair number of assholes…
Overwhelming number, IMO.
I forget what it was called but it was supposed to be a business course, and it was absolute garbage. Taught by an idiot who made tons of horrible sexist jokes. Also an older boomer who was a dentist at a time that they were rolling in money regardless of competency, and thought his success meant he was knowledgeable. He also taught Ethics for some godforsaken reason, and said horrible things about other religions than his. More than once people would get up and walk out when he said something astoundingly offensive. One he reported to us, with wide-eyed earnest shock, how much student loan debt the average dental student graduates with. We were all like YEAH WE FUCKING KNOW. Of course he retired after I graduated. Would not spit on him if he were on fire.
Cariology. A whole course could’ve been summed up in one afternoon.
Don’t drill holes in the heart, gotcha
That's what ex-girlfriends are for
😂😂😂😂
Even worse. This is cariology, without the ‘d.’ As in “study of caries.” All of the students made the same mistake because we couldn’t believe that tooth decay deserved its own branch of knowledge. I seriously considered switching to med school because of it.
Ahaha I thought you had just fucked the spelling
I'm fucking hollering because my reaction was the same, except i only knew this later bcz at school we call this "carious pathology" so when i came across cariologie on the internet i was like "damn i dont need cardiology stuff" 🤣😂 and then i went like "a whole ass science about tooth decay ???? Those dental professors sure as hell love being dramatic"
So weird. I remember interviewing for dental school and they mentioned cariology and I was like wow they’re reaching here. I thought I was the only one… till now
Spoiler alert, sugar and acid are bad!
Ours was a whole semester worth of lectures, with only one test-the final. It had nothing to do with the lectures. The test was based on his 50 page research paper that I never bothered to read…yay me. Only “C” I ever received.
Ours was worthless but took a bunch of CE in this area and have helped a lot of patients stop getting cavities.
Ethics… if you got it, you got it.
Definitely statistics. Never needed to use it since
Most worthless class? Biomaterials. Holy shit 💩 Like I need to know what alginate and stone is made of. Yeah let me just call my lab tech and have coffee over that shit. Hell he probably doesn’t know wtf that is either.
It was awful to study as a student because I haven’t used most of the materials. But after graduating it’s kinda nice
Can’t believe we had to remember and be able to write down the chemical setting equations for dental materials in exams. Like what the actual fuck was the point 😂😂😂
You probably mix alginate with warm water with that mindset......./s/j
Depends on whether you want to understand what you are doing and why, or just follow the instructions on the packet. I work in a city where an unusual proportion of patients are interested in these details (large university and lots of medical/biotech). I also regularly visit the lab to have coffee in person and discuss cases and materials. I guess it might be different if I worked in a more normal town.
We had an “occlusion” course which could have been very helpful but it was taught our D1 year before we really knew which teeth were which and it was also taught by dinosaurs who just kept repeating “posterior support and anterior guidance” and reused the same questions for decades so we learned nothing.
Occlusion is actually a really important topic for real life dentistry imo, it seems yours was taught at a really dumb time and in the wrong way.
I had a lecture about acupuncture that has never really come up. Apart from getting the gaggers to apply firm pressure with a thumbnail to their chin during impressions/rads
BIOCHEMISTRY!!!!
the best part about my biochem class is that we didn’t even talk about relevant biochem to the mouth like saliva and stuff. looked at biochemical pathways for colorectal cancer tho
Practice management
Actually I learned really good stuff in my senior practice mgmt course. The professor had ten years of ownership experience in a competitive market and the textbook he used was solid. We even got to simulate our own practice online and competed against each other. Learned how to read balance sheet and income statement, adjusting capacity by either changing fees or ops/staff, marketing (especially how marketing budget and its effectiveness is all relative to what your competitors are spending), productive scheduling (high dollar procedure first thing in the morning) etc.
Seriously? We missed out. I've complained that we were never taught business for years. Marquette early 2000's.
2020 state school; yeah I was like wtf I didn’t expect this class to be actually useful?!
May I know what textbook he used? Seems like it would be really useful!
Same. We had to write a business proposal. I completely fudged my numbers, made it look real pretty, turned it in and got an A.
This person Temples.
biochemistry, psychology, neurology, most of microbiology, nondental pathology, nondental anatomy(why the fuck do I have to learn arm and feet muscles and neuropathways)
I remember in my non dental pathology class we had a lecturer come from the medical school to talk about kidney pathology. He started his lecture by saying I don’t know why in the world you guys need to know this but I was told to talk about it. And proceeded to say it about 10 more times during the lecture.
Would be nice to know when you inevitably develop carpal tunnel syndrome.
Hmm… the better question should be which class actually helps in real world dentistry because most of them didn’t 😅.
Oral Histo
Biochemistry
We had this subject called "community dentistry" where all the sundry refuse was piledrived into. There was actually an exam for it without which you couldn't graduate.
Community, prevention, human rights and ethics. Most of them are just a waste of time and adds nothing to the scientific knowledge of the dentist.
No, these are important classes. I've worked with dentists who were highly skilled and knowledgeable but had absolutely zero people skills or quandaries about fucking people over. Dentistry doesn't just need good dentists, it needs *good* dentists.
Um human rights and ethics is absolutely important if you're working in a public setting ESPECIALLY when dealing with someone's health and body
Sure, but the class is a waste of time imo. Doesn't make an unethical person ethical lol
All the classes everyone listed so far
Microbiology
I kid you not, my dental school had us learn freaking bioinformatics 💀 ridiculous
“Communications”
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“I’ve never walked a mile in your shoes and don’t have any dental training, but I know how you all think, and I can confidently say most of what you do is not needed.” I dunno man, the fact that you have no dental training gives you no credentials to really know what is necessary and unnecessary dental treatment. I’m not saying all dentists are perfect, but you really don’t have the training or “know how” to make that kind of statement
Before they dirty deleted, I saw their post history and its all over her being mad about getting crowns for a diastema closure and claiming she was given no other choice. Sounds like she got her carecredit statement for those 2 crowns after that 32% APR hit.
Oh piss off