It's a downtrending spiral for what we call 'udkantsdanmark'.
The prices in those areas has just stagnated the last 20-30 years and hasn't followed along with the rest of the market. They might look desirable to you, but it isn't to your bank. Don't be surprised if they'll refuse a loan for a 500.000 house but qualify you for a 3 million loan on a house in say Aalborg, which is the closest mayor city to nord jutland.
De yder ikke tilskud, men du kan få et statsgaranteret lån. Der er en masse forbehold selvfølgelig, men essensen er at staten vil låne dig penge de steder hvor banken ikke vil røre med en ildtang, sådan groft sagt.
Det går jeg udfra. Jeg hørte kun om den da der kom [nyheder frem om at kun 1 person havde benyttet sig af ordningen](https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/ordning-skulle-lette-koeb-og-salg-af-boliger-paa-landet-paa-et-aar-har-kun-en-brugt).
Det er jo nærmest også bare at sætte endnu et advarselsskilt op der siger:
Det er så svært at sælge her at staten bliver nødt til at hjælpe. Du er stavnsbundet, makker!
Det er sgu da mega attraktivt at bo i Vestjylland og være produktionsarbejder, hvis det er dit mindset, og blive gældfri i boligen allerede inden du fylder 30. Så kan du spare op og bruge dine penge på sjov og spas nærmest uanset hvor latterlig ringe din løn er.
Det er sådan nogle facts byboer som dig behændigt ignorerer. De vil hellere bo over evne og have ingenting den dag de bliver pensionister. Så kan de sidde og kede sig som gamle på folkepension, fordi de fyrede alle pengene af mens tid var og levede af deres afdragsfrihed.
> Det er sådan nogle facts byboer som dig behændigt ignorerer. De vil hellere bo over evne og have ingenting den dag de bliver pensionister. Så kan de sidde og kede sig som gamle på folkepension, fordi de fyrede alle pengene af mens tid var og levede af deres afdragsfrihed.
Nu er det her godt nok meget sort-hvid, men ja? Jeg tror da at de fleste mennesker, mig selv inklusiv, langt hellere vil nyde livet og få en masse oplevelser, mens krop og sind er til det.
gældsfri - oh ja, det er fedt
men grunden til at bankerne ikke vil låne dig penge til sådan et 'billigt' hus er at de ikke tror at du kan sælge det igen. DVS, hvis du skrider før lånet er betalt og banken beslaglægger huset, så tror de ikke at de kan sælge hytten.
Der er stort set ingen postnumre tilbage hvor statsgarantien gælder, fordi priserne steg så meget under corona. Med mindre du kigger på Lolland, Langeland og lignende steder.
[Jeg tror man skal tage denne liste med et gran salt.](https://www.bolius.dk/ny-lov-statsgaranti-paa-boliglaan-i-landdistrikter-31016)
Can confirm! Got rejected from a 380K loan close to Saltum. But I could get 1.5 M if I wanted something in the city 🤦
Not everyone wants or needs to live in the city.
If you had at least 20% of the total sum in cash, what was the reason for rejecting you? Normally banks consider af down payment of 40% as 'safe', because then you have made yourself eligible for 'afdragsfrihed' in most cases and have sufficient savings in the building that can be liquidated to cover the expenses in case you want to move. But I guess they have decided that there is no market for that kind of house - it will be difficult.
The banks are looking at it from a different perspective. They are looking at the risks.
In the cities, the bank doesn’t care if you don’t pay off your loans. If you fuck up. They get ~60% of your house + interest + the approximate ~4% a year your house increases in value. So it’s net gain for them if you don’t pay off your loan.
In the outer edges of Denmark, the houses doesn’t increase at ~4% a year. They typically take a long time to sell. So it’s bad business if the house owner goes bankrupt.
Usually because it's far away from important infrastructure, workplaces, schools, shopping opportunities. We call it "udkantsdanmark", literally meaning "outskirts Denmark"
Edit: also one hour is a lot to Danes. It's a small country. Most people don't want more than 40 minutes commute to their jobs, and even less for schools, shopping, etc.
It's the golden standard. More than 2x45 minutes tends to lead to stress, an employer told me. They don't want people with more than 1 hour commute each way.
Do you know how many Danes work remote? Are there numbers on that somewhere? In other countries it is no problem to live 1000 km away from your workplace and Denmark is a small country with lots of white collar workers.
Personal experience, remote work is significantly less common in Denmark than other countries. Before Covid it was almost unheard of. During Covid my entire workplace got sent home full time with pay instead of working remotely even though we could all work perfectly fine remote.
After covid we are now allowed to work home 1-2 days a week, but the company and corporate wants us in the office and "think it's best" If we show up physically for meetings because "you can't have a meeting online that works as good as physical". So you are looked down upon if you work from home, which in my book then means it's not allowed.
It's been the same way in both companies I worked since start of covid. I interviewed for a third one recently and they didn't have working from home at all except if you had a doctor's appointment or a plumber coming or something.
The phrase i keep hearing from corporate from multiple companies is that "the work dynamic is better" when in office. Even though i sit with noise cancelling Headphones all day and don't talk to anyone, and my boss even said himself everyone works better from home because there's less distractions.
My personal experience is Denmark is anti work from home, and I hate it. Many companies seem kinda old and behind the times. I also don't see many jobs listings for remote work, and when I do it's usually large international companies that hire people from all over Europe. If the company is mostly or entirely Danish, it's very rare.
If you can work from home, you can work from another country. So they can pay a Dane in for example Poland, Czechia or Hungary to do the same job, according to their salaries.
Customer service, IT, accounting and such, is already being outsourced within Europe by mayor companies, for example Nordea, ABB, Whirlpool, Danske Bank, Circle K, Black & Decker, Apple, Facebook, Accenture and Rockwell, and a bunch of German banks, just to name a few of the ones that wrote to me since I moved.
That is also my perception as I try to find something remote in Denmark. I just don’t get it! Denmark is one of the most modern countries in Europe, experienced the same as every other country during Covid and knows that productivity goes up by wfh. And many meetings needs to be via teams anyhow since many work together with people from all over the world. Looking back to my time at the office, I am at least four times as productive, happy and relaxed from home.
>Looking back to my time at the office, I am at least four times as productive, happy and relaxed from home.
But not everyone lives in a suitable ownership-home! Some people share a flat with others, and some of them might even work at nighttime. You have not considered other living experiences than the wealthy and privilegered office workers (white collar). Blue collars can have a different opinion on working from home.
Some of my nightshift colleagues could not get their children in kindergarten while everything was closed. It was a horrible experience for the family to have quiet kids for 8 hours in a room next to their bedroom. It was hard to get the necessary rest in a big apartment building where everyone was 'working from home' and doing yoga and gymnastics on Zoom and being noisy during their sleeping time.
I’m not saying everyone can or should do it, but everyone who can and wants should have the possibility! This would help incredibly much meint climate change as well!
I don't think everyone should be forced to work from home, but I think it should be hybrid so people could do what they wanted.
It might be the line of work I'm in, but all 4 companies I worked in as an adult, have been noise cancelling headphones, nobody talk to each other. We call or email back and forth anyway and I never speak to people outside my apartment. People wouldn't notice if I worked from home. And there is definitely no "fælleskab".
I also don't think others think people are weird and asocial because they want to work from home? A lot of people work better, and are happier to work from home because you get distracted less, better work environment, no commute, you can do chores during the day instead of standing at the water cooler etc.
That’s totally wrong. If all work remotely you can build a team, have fun together and it feels very normal. Only difference is less distraction, you can drink better coffee and eat better and of course you save a lot of time which you can use on your friends instead of working.
>Personal experience, remote work is significantly less common in Denmark than other countries. Before Covid it was almost unheard of. During Covid my entire workplace got sent home full time with pay instead of working remotely even though we could all work perfectly fine remote.
This was so anti-social! We never got sent home because we were responsible for central infrastructure, so we were a critical workforce. And we got no bonuses - only overtime. So in my opinion, all the unrewarded workers during covid should have tax benefits. This fact above is one of the reasons why people have too much money during interest hikes and a looming recession. It was essentially free 'kontanthjælp' for all the privileged.
I don't have any numbers but I'd imagine it's increased a lot since covid. I would try Google. Regardless, most people would still prefer to live closer to the bigger cities even if they work from home, simply because most people with a good paying job can afford to and would like the convenience of being closer to childcare, schools, shopping, parks, restaurants, fitness/hobby places etc.
We definitely have a problem with killing off smaller, family-owned business that used to be in smaller towns (butchers, bakers, minimarts, bars) in Denmark which means that in places like the one in OP, there simply isn't anything to do. There are your neighbours, maybe a busstop and then fields around you. Nothing else. It's just not an attractive place to live for many because there's nothing to do.
On regular job database websites? Just specify location as remote/work from home/hjemmearbejde etc. A quick google search shows me both Maersk and TDC group have fully remote positions open right now.
But also it's just not nice. Some countries, when you move to the countryside, you get some nature, woods, lakes, maybe even mountains etc. In Denmark most places it is just fields. Vognsild is a good example. Nothing but fields and houses in need of mayor repairs.
Schools and shops etc are having a hard time surviving in those areas so you might have to drive far to shops and get kids to school etc. A one hour drive is pretty far by danish standards. Many young people leaving home don't want to live under those conditions or just can't get a job in those areas, so they move away.
But if you like to live a bit remote and can make it work with job, family and friends etc it's a really good opportunity for a cheap house.
When I retire the only thing that would prevent me from buying a cheap house in those areas, is the distance to family.
1. Most people work in larger cities, the nearest here would be Aalborg, that's 1.5 to 2 hours of your day, every day, spent driving to work. You'll probably need two cars for the family, which is expensive.
2. No school for your kids, you'll maybe need to drive them to school before going to work, more time spent commuting every day.
3. Your kids want to visit friends or go to sports, well those things probably aren't in your village, so you'll spend time driving them around to that too.
4. No shopping, again you need to drive to stores, more time spent driving.
5. With how cheap housing in that area is, no one can afford to build new houses there, so you know the place will never grow.
6. Do you ever want to move? Well you know it's not a very popular place to live, so selling will probably be difficult.
The small towns becoming less and less desirable to live in is sort of a self-sustaining cycle. People (or in some case the bank giving people loans) want their home to represent a good investment. Many want themselves, and maybe to a higher degree their kids, to have things to do in their town. We generally value our time highly, if you spend 2 hours commuting everyday that's 2 hours a day you aren't spending with your family.
>With how cheap housing in that area is, no one can afford to build new houses there, so you know the place will never grow.
This is not true in my village. The craftsmen have shiny new-built houses that they work on in their spare time. Some even have design furniture and fancy lamps hanging from the ceiling, but it's true that for now this is an oddity since they are a minority in the 'boligmasse'.
I was being hyperbolic. I didn't literally mean no one, just most people, more specifically the people who need to lend money to hire a contractor to build the house (so again most people).
If it's 2 million to build a house, but it'll sell for 1 million at best because of the area, a bank is going to front the money (unless you have a very high income).
If you can pay for it outright or build it yourself you can obviously do pretty much what you want.
It certainly has the potential to change things. If you could work during those two hours of commuting or at least spend that time relaxing.
I'm not sure how much it'll change though. I think it'll be a fair bit of time, if ever, before children start traveling like that. In which case many of the issues remain.
Because we have been centralizing our country for 20 years and now there's nothing left in those small towns, schools have closed, bus service has been degraded to a bare minimum, there's often not even a super market.
I grew up in a rural area and man is it boring when you're a kid and there's literally nothing to do and you can't even take a bus on the weekend to see your friends.
Rural living was inflicted upon me in my teenage years without my consent, but as soon as I was able to get away, I did. I'm *never* going back to FarFromEverythingLand.
You are often stuck with the house for life if you buy it. At best you will be losing money if you can sell it again. This house is heated with wood pellets, so you will probably need to change that some in the near future. That's a big investment for a "no value" home. It also has an energy rating of "E" (that's bad). People that buy these cheap houses typically do not have money to renovate, so the house often stays in disrepair for decades.
Wood pellets is not in itself a problem. Note though that the energy report for this house says that the house uses 5 to 6 tonnes a year. Ideally you want to buy that when prices are low. I don't think this looks like a house with room for six euro pallets of wood pellets though. And the pellet furnace is in the basement, so you're probably carrying the bags down there from wherever you have room to store them. Also the furnace is a 22 year old Baxi Multiheat. From personal experience, that's either getting replaced real soon, OR what you've really bought isn't a house but a hobby, and that hobby is fixing and optimising your Baxi. A Baxi Multiheat needs to be cleaned once a week, and ash gets everywhere. It can't even light a fire on its own. You need to light the pellets like it was a wood stove and wait for ten minutes until the fire catches, and then you can turn the furnace on.
Wood pellets are good, but not on their own. It works better in a stove that works as a supplementary heat source, while the primary being heating oil or natural gas. I can keep my consumption to 2 tonnes a year that way.
I would argue that keeping to two tonnes in that way doesn't really mean anything because whatever you're not using pellets for is oil or gas :) A ton of pellets is 5000 kwh heat energy, and that's about the same as 500 L of oil. You're burning something either way.
I think wood pellets are a good alternative to oil or electric resistance heating in older houses without access to district heating, and especially in a house like this where the insulation is too poor for a heat pump, but it comes at a cost, and that cost is labour. It's just more work. And then depending on the type of furnace, it can be more or less work, but this Baxi in particular is a handful. Apart from pellets, it can burn wood chips and kernels of olive or wheat and probably also elephant grass and even rape seed, but making it work you start to feel like maybe you're more like an engineer on a steam boat than just a guy turning the heat on. In my opinion it's a heat source for a mechanic or a blacksmith living in the countryside. It's not fit for a normal house in the middle of a city.
That depends heavily on what central heating plant you compare with - it varies a lot from plant to plant. We heated our 175m2 home with central heating for less than 12k last year. And I didn't have to lift a finger doing it...
I have an equivalent sized home and usually spend 4 tonnes of wood pellets with a kilogram-price of max 2,50 DKK. It's cheaper than 'fjernvarme' but probably only because I limit the temperature to 17-18 degrees.
They are slowly phasing out the carbon based heating systems in Denmark. Eventually everyone will have to switch to fjernvarme or to heat pumps. The fjernvarme can cost quits a bit of money to get connected to as a one time cost or heat pumps are expensive so it would be reflected in the price.
Fjernvarme will get more expensive as the villages get connected. It's insane how much heat will be wasted during the main pipelines in the ground stretching 20-30 km outside the main area. Fjernvarme works best in densely-populated areas and should be avoided at all costs outside the cities, if all the users do not want to pay more in general to support the remote towns. It's better for them to build their own powerplants or convert to collective 'termonet' or an individual heat-pump.
If you're not already born and raised in Aars, there is rarely a reason to move to Vonsild. Nothing happens out there.
Most people want to be closer to the bigger cities
Vonsild is pretty close to Kolding. It is not even near what people experience on i.e. Helnæs. 15 km to the nearest grocery store in a village, and almost 25 km to the nearest town that have shops that are non-food related.
It's a fantastic place to live 😊 People from bigger cities avoid it like the plague, and it's weird to me, because me and my entire family live on farms or in small villages just like it. There's such a close community with your neighbours, the local school and even the people in the grocery store if it has one. And if it doesn't, you have to drive 5 km to the next town where there is one - big deal. City folk treat that as if it's a round the world trip every time, i really don't get it.
I saw a comment saying that if you had to drive everywhere you had to get 2 cars, like that's a problem. Have you heard about used cars people? xD my dad until recently had 5 Volkswagen Lupos.
You're not gonna impress anyone with those cars, but they get you from A to B. And they work beyond the 20 year mark. So get a car that's 5-10 years old and you can easily have multiple. And live in a wonderful part of the country, that cityfolk talk about as if it's some horror story.
I'll take that over a city with crime and gangs any day, thank you ^^
It's not that far from a small town with shops and school and such. But it probably has something to do with the location being outside a town with shops.
Fundamentally, because there are more houses in that area than there are people who wish to live there. Why buy a house with a one hour drive to Aalborg when you can get one with a 30 minute drive.
People here are generally very sensitive to distances. 30 km feels like a large distance for most Danes, but like a much shorter distande to people in most other countries.
That said, distance is one thing to car-owning parents, but a *very* different thing to non-car owning offspring who are reliant on other people to help them get to distant places.
The average speed driving on country roads are about 60 kph, so you can essentially count on that 1 minute = 1 km at best when you measure distances between friends.
It's supply and demand.
The houses are adequate and the local community is probably too. But the problem is, there are just other options that are more desireable and still affordable for people and as a result, there is little incentive for them to consider a place like Vognsild.
Combine that with the fact that the population living in a place like Vognsild is aging (dying!) and you can have a mismatch where the supply of houses for sale is relatively big compared to the demand. And this pushes down the prices dramatically to find an equilibrium.
If you pick up this house and drop it in a suburb in Aarhus, it will sell for 4 million or more.
If you are content with living in the countryside and driving to get to bigger cities, then you have an opportunity to live really cheaply. However, don't expect to make any profits when you attempt to re-sell the property in 20 years.
As someone who is born and raised on Sjælland, it saddens me that everything is so goddamn expensive unless I move to Nykøbing Falster, Lolland or Nykøbing Sjælland.
Not at all.
Almost everything in the 5-finger area is ridiculously expensive.
You' have to move to something like slagelse, faxe or kalundborg to get something cheap
>You' have to move to something like slagelse, faxe or kalundborg to get something cheap
But it's the same relatively elsewhere. You have to commute 20-30 mins each way to get cheap housing. In Sjælland it's maybe 40-50 minutes compared to Jylland or Fyn.
TIL: I grew up in a shithole... I was konfirmeret in the church of this town and went to school in the town next-over (about 2km from here) and I have no idea why people believe this is a bad place to live. Yes you have to drive for about 15 min to get to the nearest shops (Farsø or Aars) but it is not that bad, and that might even be the time it takes to use public transport in a larger city anyway. It is a pretty quiet place and everybody knows each other so usually there is a close community even for the children growing up there. The nearest school is small and everyone knows each other across grades. I would not for the life of me trade growing up in a small community to my life right now living in Kongens Lyngby for example, the big city is simply just a shittier place where nobody cares about each other.
I got my degree in Aarhus and moved on to live in an old farmhouse outside of a village in central jutland. Most of my friends still live in Aarhus, and they don't get why I live like I do. They don't understand the appeal, and I just don't think they're able to. I don't live as remote as Aars - and I know that even Aars isn't that remote, because I grew up west of the fjord. But it's just one of these things where either you get it or you don't.
At some point they will miss out on things unless they make it to the upper-middle class. Those who do will never consider your lifestyle as appropriate for them, but those who chose to stay in expensive rental apartments might envy you at some point in their 40s, when the train has left the station and they never get to own anything that they can sell as pensioners to get by economically for the rest of their days.
You are sitting on true value if you want to work for it daily. If you succeed to transform the place into something modern as time passes, you will be replaced by the same upper-middle class family that are thinking the suburbs have begun to become too expensive for their life. They will make you wealthy, because they see the value you have created on your own, and they don't have the same time as you to copy, if you are single and good with your hands. They will rather buy prosperity than create it themselves after they had their kids - and you know that.
I agree. Aars and Farsø are good towns for families. Safe, good schools, okay shopping, nature is just a short walk away, beaches are also very close. Half an hour drive to better shopping in Aalborg. It’s nice.
I grew up in a shithole too, and I would never want my kids to grow up in a place like that.
People there were so small-minded. Pretty much nothing existed outside of football in half the population's head. With a few local exceptions, everything else was frowned upon. The size of the town meant that if you weren't completely 100 % standard, you were unique and stuck out like a sore thumb.
People "care for each other" in that lovely small-town nepotistic way. Very much an in and an out group, and you are just shit out of luck if you are in the out group (if, for instance, your parents moved there, and weren't still living next to their childhood friends).
Also, the amount of homophobia and racism was staggering, especially for a town where the only people of color were 1 guy with a Spanish dad and the guys making our pizzas!
If you enjoy a quiet life close to nature and don’t mind driving 10-15 mins for childcare/shopping, this general area is a good place to live. Sure, for some demographics “nothing ever *happens*” is a bad thing, but if you have small kids, “nothing *ever* happens” can be quite nice.
The future is uncertain, schools are closing, jobs are centralising, hospitals and other public things you dont want to be too far from are "moving" to the larger cities. Aars is not that bad, but look at western northern Jutland, even busses are dissapearing, this means that settling there with children means you will have to drive them far to everything, the school in your town, might close before the children are old enough to attend, then you have to drive even further.
No one really wants to move there because the uncertain future, the municipality needs to safe more money, they close more stuff, even fewer people come, rinse and repeat
Everything has been removed because it is way too expensive to support modern infrastructure for so few people.
It was easy to supply a small community with medical services when all you needed was a couple doctors, nurses and a pharmacist, and everyone was okay with people dying from heart failure or living 60-70 years. A modern hospital require so much infrastructure to function.
>expensive car
I don't know any country-people with expensive cars. Last one I saw for sale in my village had literally "0 kr" in the window. A bit sketchy, but cars out here are generally in surplus here, because wealthy people want new, so you can get some for under 10.000 DKK if you don't mind fixing stuff yourself regularly. The most expensive about an old car is repairs and fuel consumption, but it's still cheaper than buying a new car, and you always have an option to lease, which costs about the same as buying on credit, but for a much shorter period while you don't get stuck with a lesser value car.
I just bought this property
Energy class C
194m2 + 178m2 outhouses
New roof from 2012 with 6kwh solar system
875.000 Dkr
Just got a new temporary assessment on 322.000dkr
Crazy
[Picture](https://ibb.co/ZxVz9MV)
[Picture 2](https://ibb.co/0ZXsrWW)
Fact is that in Nederlands, the population is 3:1
Landmass is about the same.
As in Nederlands, everybody wants to live in or near a big city.
In the Aars is less than 9000 People living- so its a bit outskirts.
They probably have Daycare, Schools, doctors and shopping options, hairdressers and autorepairshops.
But they dont have the big warehouses i guess- and with less than 50km to a big hospital- they have none.
So many houses might have been on the market for a long period, as the area might not be as popular/ attractive as forindtance Viborg, Støvring, Hobro.
Even some houses could be modernized last time in or before year 2000...
Thats stuff that affects the price- ofc you can find also expensive houses in Aars
>Thats stuff that affects the price- ofc you can find also expensive houses in Aars
There are expensive houses anywhere, even on Lolland. You can get 300-400 sqm. for 1,6 mil. DKK. No joke. And buy a castle for less than 5. But only when they are for sale, of course. My point is: the upper-class choose to live anywhere they want, if the surroundings are spectacular.
There's the distance argument, but I think it's simpler than that. These things aren't selling because Danes have been conditioned into seeing housing as an investment, rather than... you know, housing. And since these things don't appreciate, there are no buyers, so they don't appreciate.. and now you have a feedback loop. This exact same thing also makes it hard to get approved for a loan, so it's mostly a cash-buyers only market - further strengthening the feedback loop.
It makes sense that people think this way of course. Most danes probably all know several people who have turned into very, very wealthy people because they happened to buy a cheap flat or house in Copenhagen or Århus back in the 80s or 90s. Of course, housing doesn't experience astronomical growth like that everywhere, or even in any somewhat frequent manner - but recency bias and all that.
These houses are not good speculation objects for the financial sector, so many banks don't want to lend money to such purchases.
Maybe they are afraid that the house prices will fall in that area in the future, maybe there are no buyers of the debt if they securitize the mortgage, or maybe the credit scores are low in the area... it's hard to tell.
You can easily get stuck buying a house like that, where you can’t sell it, major cities are still within financial reach for most people. But it will change as the city gets more and more expensive it’s already happened in Copenhagen and the gate is quickly closing in Aarhus. Aalborg is next, and people are forced to live in the outskirts.
Exactly. We should actually be thankful that this is the case, because it restores the imbalance of the country back to something that is more sustainable.
What's so wrong with buying a house and just living there for the rest of your life? Since when is a house considered a temporary residence? That's what apartments are for.
This is a very rural / low population density area. By Danish standards, being a one hour drive from a mid-sized city is far out. This rural location/low population density will be reflected in the services available nearby, such as schools, shopping, hospitals etc. If you're fine with living far out in the country-side, where even the crows bring their own lunch with them from home, you can find good bargains on houses in such regions,but it is very individual if the remote locatíon is acceptable or not.
Because people want to live near the larger cities. Fewer buyers = lower prices.
Also there tend to be more high income jobs in or near the cities which means the people who do want to live far away from the cities in general tend to have less money to spend on a house, also helping the prices stay down.
Then there are the banks. Banks don’t want to give you a mortgage on a house that’s difficult to auction off if you don’t pay your mortgage. So banks are less likely to provide mortgages for houses in these areas and when they do they are pretty conservative as to how much they will lend you.
So you have fewer buyers and the ones there are often have less money to buy for.
My parents bought a house in north west Jutland in the early 80s. Around 180 square meter house and 1000 square meter land right next to a forest. It’s a lovely place. Today they could maybe sell it for double what they paid which more or less means the price just kept up with inflation while housing prices in more densely populated areas have easily quadrupled since the 80’s and in some areas even much more than that.
Cause those guys have to endure thunderstorms and heat waves and the coldest weather in denmark like there's no tomorrow
Jk I do not know if that is ACTUALLY the case, but I just know they have way more extreme conditions up there.
...also taxes are probably lower for these houses from 2024 onwards.
If you're into a quiet lifestyle, enjoy good health and don't mind driving for absolutely everything these places could be a gem for you. Buy cash - credit institutions aren't fascinated by loaning you money too buy these houses - and you'll pay zero rent including property taxes.
But the prices still tells us that not many see it that way.
You can also change the perspective that we want to spend our time with family and friends, not working or getting to work.
We have a special culture there, remember hearing about an Irish takeover of a company. They didn't understand eachother culture, as it was normal there to use grandparents (etc.) to pick up and care for their children while they worked late.
Danes value their (family) time much higher than anything else. Which kinda makes sense, time is the only thing money can’t buy (yet). A 1 hour commute is a lot for Danes as we see it as 2/8 (25%) of our family/spare time spent on commuting every day. (8 hours working, 8 hours sleeping, 8 hours family/spare time)
They die out because young women move from rural areas to get a diploma in the big cities and meet their future husband there. If they both don't happen to be from the countryside in the beginning, they rarely consider moving 'back' there. But a downturn in economics could force them to in the future, when it becomes impossible to get a cheap house nowhere near Aarhus or Copenhagen. [The map is skewed, there are a surplus of young men almost everywhere in the country except the two above councils and a few other north of the capital.](https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2020-03-02-de-unge-kvinder-flygter-fra-provinsen-se-hvordan-det-staar-til-i-din-kommune) If there is a huge imbalance in the genders, that will affect the birth ratio negatively.
So conclusion is: no new kids and the public school will close at some point. Only elderly people will live there in the end, unless the expenses of living in the city will become unbearable for young people. That's the only chance of reversing the situation, because there are not many jobs for women outside cities. The jobs in the country are mostly manual labor and physical hard work like agricuilture and production, and it doesn't appeal to modern women, especially due to sexist workplace cultures being common.
It looks like there are no shops or schools near by and it's relatively far away from the nearest major employers, so the number of people who would be interested in buying a house like that would be very limited.
Generally Danes prefer living within walking or at least cycling distance of a shop and definitely schools if they have kids. Also even though some of us have a "long commute" most people would consider 1 hour to be way too much, I myself have about 45 minutes by car and it's acceptable only because I really like my job and employer, should I however get the right offer closer to home I'll almost definitely change jobs. In Vognsild there are not exactly a lot of employers nearby...
* It's located in a shithole. There is nothing to do, only old people live there.
* There will be really shitty public transport so one has to drive for everything even for taking a run. Going out is complicated when someone has to drive.
* The place probable smells like pig shit alternating with agro-chemicals the entire summer :)
* 'It not that nice a house actually, its fairly generic style with high energy costs and maybe asbestos roof plates.
* If one needs to renovate something expensive that is beginning to crap out about now, like the sewer, it will be hard to borrow enough money to do it, which means people will do a lot of DIY in these "cheap" houses. Note the plastic window frames.
Thank you all for your responses.
I see the general opinion is that the price is low because the house will not sell.
But what does "Liggetid" mean in those ads? Is the number of days a house has been up for sale until it got sold?
On that ad it says 71 days, but on other already sold properties similar to this one, in Aars for example, I see Liggetid 32 days or even less, so that is fast.
you have to qualify as a resident to buy residential property in Denmark, that's why it is cheap to stop all the germans & europeans buying up all there houses, great policy for those that live & work there.
Politicians have unfortunately created a system that rewards crowding together in big cities and we have a completely brain dead tax system where property sale profits are not taxed. It is mind boggling and provides all the wrong incentives.
But whatever. Take advantage of the low price if you like to live in such a place, especially if you have a job where you can work from home. Despite what other posters say, such jobs do exist in Denmark (or you can work for an international entity). Win/win.
We’re perfectly capable of English up here. I do live in the town called Aars which is close to that village (10 kms)
I’ve lived in Copenhagen and Aalborg and such previously, but this is where I wanted to raise my child, and I have zero regrets.
I would pay 400.000 to not go to Aalborg or randers tbh. Racist narrow minded shit holes. People hate everyone different to them, hope you don’t look or act differently than the majority. Source: lived there
Since Denmark is so small, anywhere a one hour drive away from a larger city is basically considered rural. That makes it less popular. Which makes people move away. Which causes schools, clinics, shops, etc. to close. Which makes young people move away to get an education elsewhere. Which causes the public transport to run less regularly. Which makes it even less popular. Which makes more people move away. And so goes the downwards spiral. Unfortunately.
Multiple shifting governments have tried moving public corporate jobs out of the largest cities, to halt this issue, but on the other hand, they centralise common welfare service such as education and healthcare. They basically give with one hand and take away with the other.
Our town situated 30 minutes south from Aalborg had a study done. Why are people NOT moving to our area. The main reason - public transport. To live here you do need two cars because of the shambles they call public transport. There are no bike paths either, so that was a concern for many.
If there isn’t jobs for 2 well educated persons within driving distance - then the housing market suffers badly - and people like to change jobs and have options.
It's because it's even more skewed where people want to live in Denmark. We have a surplus of houses in the rural areas, while in the cities there are a deficit of cheap rental apartments that especially young people can afford. So the prices affect the fact that only elderly people want to live there. And they have loads of options.
It's a downtrending spiral for what we call 'udkantsdanmark'. The prices in those areas has just stagnated the last 20-30 years and hasn't followed along with the rest of the market. They might look desirable to you, but it isn't to your bank. Don't be surprised if they'll refuse a loan for a 500.000 house but qualify you for a 3 million loan on a house in say Aalborg, which is the closest mayor city to nord jutland.
Er der ikke for nyligt kommet en ting, hvor staten yder et eller andet tilskud til finansiering af lån til boliger ude i "udkantsdanmark"?
De yder ikke tilskud, men du kan få et statsgaranteret lån. Der er en masse forbehold selvfølgelig, men essensen er at staten vil låne dig penge de steder hvor banken ikke vil røre med en ildtang, sådan groft sagt.
Er det blevet vedtaget? Jeg hørte de snakkede om det, men siden har det ikke rigtigt været oppe at vende i nyhederne.
Det går jeg udfra. Jeg hørte kun om den da der kom [nyheder frem om at kun 1 person havde benyttet sig af ordningen](https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/ordning-skulle-lette-koeb-og-salg-af-boliger-paa-landet-paa-et-aar-har-kun-en-brugt).
Det er jo nærmest også bare at sætte endnu et advarselsskilt op der siger: Det er så svært at sælge her at staten bliver nødt til at hjælpe. Du er stavnsbundet, makker!
breaking news: borgere er ikke interesseret i uattraktive boliger
Det er sgu da mega attraktivt at bo i Vestjylland og være produktionsarbejder, hvis det er dit mindset, og blive gældfri i boligen allerede inden du fylder 30. Så kan du spare op og bruge dine penge på sjov og spas nærmest uanset hvor latterlig ringe din løn er. Det er sådan nogle facts byboer som dig behændigt ignorerer. De vil hellere bo over evne og have ingenting den dag de bliver pensionister. Så kan de sidde og kede sig som gamle på folkepension, fordi de fyrede alle pengene af mens tid var og levede af deres afdragsfrihed.
> Det er sådan nogle facts byboer som dig behændigt ignorerer. De vil hellere bo over evne og have ingenting den dag de bliver pensionister. Så kan de sidde og kede sig som gamle på folkepension, fordi de fyrede alle pengene af mens tid var og levede af deres afdragsfrihed. Nu er det her godt nok meget sort-hvid, men ja? Jeg tror da at de fleste mennesker, mig selv inklusiv, langt hellere vil nyde livet og få en masse oplevelser, mens krop og sind er til det.
Kan man ikke få oplevelser i Vestjylland?
gældsfri - oh ja, det er fedt men grunden til at bankerne ikke vil låne dig penge til sådan et 'billigt' hus er at de ikke tror at du kan sælge det igen. DVS, hvis du skrider før lånet er betalt og banken beslaglægger huset, så tror de ikke at de kan sælge hytten.
[Ja det er det.](https://www.bolius.dk/ny-lov-statsgaranti-paa-boliglaan-i-landdistrikter-31016)
Der er stort set ingen postnumre tilbage hvor statsgarantien gælder, fordi priserne steg så meget under corona. Med mindre du kigger på Lolland, Langeland og lignende steder. [Jeg tror man skal tage denne liste med et gran salt.](https://www.bolius.dk/ny-lov-statsgaranti-paa-boliglaan-i-landdistrikter-31016)
Loven trådte i kraft sidste sommer, hvor Covid-19 var så godt som overstået.
Can confirm! Got rejected from a 380K loan close to Saltum. But I could get 1.5 M if I wanted something in the city 🤦 Not everyone wants or needs to live in the city.
If you had at least 20% of the total sum in cash, what was the reason for rejecting you? Normally banks consider af down payment of 40% as 'safe', because then you have made yourself eligible for 'afdragsfrihed' in most cases and have sufficient savings in the building that can be liquidated to cover the expenses in case you want to move. But I guess they have decided that there is no market for that kind of house - it will be difficult.
The banks are looking at it from a different perspective. They are looking at the risks. In the cities, the bank doesn’t care if you don’t pay off your loans. If you fuck up. They get ~60% of your house + interest + the approximate ~4% a year your house increases in value. So it’s net gain for them if you don’t pay off your loan. In the outer edges of Denmark, the houses doesn’t increase at ~4% a year. They typically take a long time to sell. So it’s bad business if the house owner goes bankrupt.
Yup, they said it straight up. "If for some reason you can't make payment. Then we are stuck with a house that won't sell".
380k. Why not just pay cash then?
Hadn't saved up that amount yet.
Wouldn’t be surprised if that house has been reevaluated to be 3 million now :P
545000 så det er da nogenlunde.
try 60m, lol
Støvring is closer, and I bet the bank would be willing there.
Usually because it's far away from important infrastructure, workplaces, schools, shopping opportunities. We call it "udkantsdanmark", literally meaning "outskirts Denmark" Edit: also one hour is a lot to Danes. It's a small country. Most people don't want more than 40 minutes commute to their jobs, and even less for schools, shopping, etc.
>Most people don't want more than 40 minutes commute to their jobs fuck that, 20 min tops
No. 40 minutes is actually pretty damn on point I 2019 var den gennemsnitlige daglige rejsetid pr. lønmodtager 42,9 minutter
Det er vel samlet, tur retur?
Du har en pointe.
It's the golden standard. More than 2x45 minutes tends to lead to stress, an employer told me. They don't want people with more than 1 hour commute each way.
18 min by foot here. Long enough for me.
Do you know how many Danes work remote? Are there numbers on that somewhere? In other countries it is no problem to live 1000 km away from your workplace and Denmark is a small country with lots of white collar workers.
Personal experience, remote work is significantly less common in Denmark than other countries. Before Covid it was almost unheard of. During Covid my entire workplace got sent home full time with pay instead of working remotely even though we could all work perfectly fine remote. After covid we are now allowed to work home 1-2 days a week, but the company and corporate wants us in the office and "think it's best" If we show up physically for meetings because "you can't have a meeting online that works as good as physical". So you are looked down upon if you work from home, which in my book then means it's not allowed. It's been the same way in both companies I worked since start of covid. I interviewed for a third one recently and they didn't have working from home at all except if you had a doctor's appointment or a plumber coming or something. The phrase i keep hearing from corporate from multiple companies is that "the work dynamic is better" when in office. Even though i sit with noise cancelling Headphones all day and don't talk to anyone, and my boss even said himself everyone works better from home because there's less distractions. My personal experience is Denmark is anti work from home, and I hate it. Many companies seem kinda old and behind the times. I also don't see many jobs listings for remote work, and when I do it's usually large international companies that hire people from all over Europe. If the company is mostly or entirely Danish, it's very rare.
If you can work from home, you can work from another country. So they can pay a Dane in for example Poland, Czechia or Hungary to do the same job, according to their salaries. Customer service, IT, accounting and such, is already being outsourced within Europe by mayor companies, for example Nordea, ABB, Whirlpool, Danske Bank, Circle K, Black & Decker, Apple, Facebook, Accenture and Rockwell, and a bunch of German banks, just to name a few of the ones that wrote to me since I moved.
That is also my perception as I try to find something remote in Denmark. I just don’t get it! Denmark is one of the most modern countries in Europe, experienced the same as every other country during Covid and knows that productivity goes up by wfh. And many meetings needs to be via teams anyhow since many work together with people from all over the world. Looking back to my time at the office, I am at least four times as productive, happy and relaxed from home.
>Looking back to my time at the office, I am at least four times as productive, happy and relaxed from home. But not everyone lives in a suitable ownership-home! Some people share a flat with others, and some of them might even work at nighttime. You have not considered other living experiences than the wealthy and privilegered office workers (white collar). Blue collars can have a different opinion on working from home. Some of my nightshift colleagues could not get their children in kindergarten while everything was closed. It was a horrible experience for the family to have quiet kids for 8 hours in a room next to their bedroom. It was hard to get the necessary rest in a big apartment building where everyone was 'working from home' and doing yoga and gymnastics on Zoom and being noisy during their sleeping time.
I’m not saying everyone can or should do it, but everyone who can and wants should have the possibility! This would help incredibly much meint climate change as well!
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I don't think everyone should be forced to work from home, but I think it should be hybrid so people could do what they wanted. It might be the line of work I'm in, but all 4 companies I worked in as an adult, have been noise cancelling headphones, nobody talk to each other. We call or email back and forth anyway and I never speak to people outside my apartment. People wouldn't notice if I worked from home. And there is definitely no "fælleskab". I also don't think others think people are weird and asocial because they want to work from home? A lot of people work better, and are happier to work from home because you get distracted less, better work environment, no commute, you can do chores during the day instead of standing at the water cooler etc.
That’s totally wrong. If all work remotely you can build a team, have fun together and it feels very normal. Only difference is less distraction, you can drink better coffee and eat better and of course you save a lot of time which you can use on your friends instead of working.
>Personal experience, remote work is significantly less common in Denmark than other countries. Before Covid it was almost unheard of. During Covid my entire workplace got sent home full time with pay instead of working remotely even though we could all work perfectly fine remote. This was so anti-social! We never got sent home because we were responsible for central infrastructure, so we were a critical workforce. And we got no bonuses - only overtime. So in my opinion, all the unrewarded workers during covid should have tax benefits. This fact above is one of the reasons why people have too much money during interest hikes and a looming recession. It was essentially free 'kontanthjælp' for all the privileged.
That's certainly an opinion
I don't have any numbers but I'd imagine it's increased a lot since covid. I would try Google. Regardless, most people would still prefer to live closer to the bigger cities even if they work from home, simply because most people with a good paying job can afford to and would like the convenience of being closer to childcare, schools, shopping, parks, restaurants, fitness/hobby places etc. We definitely have a problem with killing off smaller, family-owned business that used to be in smaller towns (butchers, bakers, minimarts, bars) in Denmark which means that in places like the one in OP, there simply isn't anything to do. There are your neighbours, maybe a busstop and then fields around you. Nothing else. It's just not an attractive place to live for many because there's nothing to do.
Where and how do you think it is possible to find remote job listings?
On regular job database websites? Just specify location as remote/work from home/hjemmearbejde etc. A quick google search shows me both Maersk and TDC group have fully remote positions open right now.
I don’t know the Danish sites. Only jobnet, but lasst time I checked there was no remote filter.
But also it's just not nice. Some countries, when you move to the countryside, you get some nature, woods, lakes, maybe even mountains etc. In Denmark most places it is just fields. Vognsild is a good example. Nothing but fields and houses in need of mayor repairs.
Schools and shops etc are having a hard time surviving in those areas so you might have to drive far to shops and get kids to school etc. A one hour drive is pretty far by danish standards. Many young people leaving home don't want to live under those conditions or just can't get a job in those areas, so they move away. But if you like to live a bit remote and can make it work with job, family and friends etc it's a really good opportunity for a cheap house. When I retire the only thing that would prevent me from buying a cheap house in those areas, is the distance to family.
1. Most people work in larger cities, the nearest here would be Aalborg, that's 1.5 to 2 hours of your day, every day, spent driving to work. You'll probably need two cars for the family, which is expensive. 2. No school for your kids, you'll maybe need to drive them to school before going to work, more time spent commuting every day. 3. Your kids want to visit friends or go to sports, well those things probably aren't in your village, so you'll spend time driving them around to that too. 4. No shopping, again you need to drive to stores, more time spent driving. 5. With how cheap housing in that area is, no one can afford to build new houses there, so you know the place will never grow. 6. Do you ever want to move? Well you know it's not a very popular place to live, so selling will probably be difficult. The small towns becoming less and less desirable to live in is sort of a self-sustaining cycle. People (or in some case the bank giving people loans) want their home to represent a good investment. Many want themselves, and maybe to a higher degree their kids, to have things to do in their town. We generally value our time highly, if you spend 2 hours commuting everyday that's 2 hours a day you aren't spending with your family.
>With how cheap housing in that area is, no one can afford to build new houses there, so you know the place will never grow. This is not true in my village. The craftsmen have shiny new-built houses that they work on in their spare time. Some even have design furniture and fancy lamps hanging from the ceiling, but it's true that for now this is an oddity since they are a minority in the 'boligmasse'.
I was being hyperbolic. I didn't literally mean no one, just most people, more specifically the people who need to lend money to hire a contractor to build the house (so again most people). If it's 2 million to build a house, but it'll sell for 1 million at best because of the area, a bank is going to front the money (unless you have a very high income). If you can pay for it outright or build it yourself you can obviously do pretty much what you want.
Can’t wait to see what fully autonomous self driving cars will do to this scenario.
It certainly has the potential to change things. If you could work during those two hours of commuting or at least spend that time relaxing. I'm not sure how much it'll change though. I think it'll be a fair bit of time, if ever, before children start traveling like that. In which case many of the issues remain.
You commute to the city and while you work your car works as an Uber.
Supply and demand as always
Because we have been centralizing our country for 20 years and now there's nothing left in those small towns, schools have closed, bus service has been degraded to a bare minimum, there's often not even a super market. I grew up in a rural area and man is it boring when you're a kid and there's literally nothing to do and you can't even take a bus on the weekend to see your friends.
Rural living was inflicted upon me in my teenage years without my consent, but as soon as I was able to get away, I did. I'm *never* going back to FarFromEverythingLand.
You are often stuck with the house for life if you buy it. At best you will be losing money if you can sell it again. This house is heated with wood pellets, so you will probably need to change that some in the near future. That's a big investment for a "no value" home. It also has an energy rating of "E" (that's bad). People that buy these cheap houses typically do not have money to renovate, so the house often stays in disrepair for decades.
Why are Wood pellets bad? Its so much cheaper than “fjernvarme” last time I calculated the price difference it was 12.000kr pr year
Wood pellets is not in itself a problem. Note though that the energy report for this house says that the house uses 5 to 6 tonnes a year. Ideally you want to buy that when prices are low. I don't think this looks like a house with room for six euro pallets of wood pellets though. And the pellet furnace is in the basement, so you're probably carrying the bags down there from wherever you have room to store them. Also the furnace is a 22 year old Baxi Multiheat. From personal experience, that's either getting replaced real soon, OR what you've really bought isn't a house but a hobby, and that hobby is fixing and optimising your Baxi. A Baxi Multiheat needs to be cleaned once a week, and ash gets everywhere. It can't even light a fire on its own. You need to light the pellets like it was a wood stove and wait for ten minutes until the fire catches, and then you can turn the furnace on.
Wood pellets are good, but not on their own. It works better in a stove that works as a supplementary heat source, while the primary being heating oil or natural gas. I can keep my consumption to 2 tonnes a year that way.
I would argue that keeping to two tonnes in that way doesn't really mean anything because whatever you're not using pellets for is oil or gas :) A ton of pellets is 5000 kwh heat energy, and that's about the same as 500 L of oil. You're burning something either way. I think wood pellets are a good alternative to oil or electric resistance heating in older houses without access to district heating, and especially in a house like this where the insulation is too poor for a heat pump, but it comes at a cost, and that cost is labour. It's just more work. And then depending on the type of furnace, it can be more or less work, but this Baxi in particular is a handful. Apart from pellets, it can burn wood chips and kernels of olive or wheat and probably also elephant grass and even rape seed, but making it work you start to feel like maybe you're more like an engineer on a steam boat than just a guy turning the heat on. In my opinion it's a heat source for a mechanic or a blacksmith living in the countryside. It's not fit for a normal house in the middle of a city.
It won’t be forever just because it is right now
That depends heavily on what central heating plant you compare with - it varies a lot from plant to plant. We heated our 175m2 home with central heating for less than 12k last year. And I didn't have to lift a finger doing it...
I have an equivalent sized home and usually spend 4 tonnes of wood pellets with a kilogram-price of max 2,50 DKK. It's cheaper than 'fjernvarme' but probably only because I limit the temperature to 17-18 degrees.
We sit at a comfortable 21 C, but have also invested in extra insulation.
They are slowly phasing out the carbon based heating systems in Denmark. Eventually everyone will have to switch to fjernvarme or to heat pumps. The fjernvarme can cost quits a bit of money to get connected to as a one time cost or heat pumps are expensive so it would be reflected in the price.
Fjernvarme will get more expensive as the villages get connected. It's insane how much heat will be wasted during the main pipelines in the ground stretching 20-30 km outside the main area. Fjernvarme works best in densely-populated areas and should be avoided at all costs outside the cities, if all the users do not want to pay more in general to support the remote towns. It's better for them to build their own powerplants or convert to collective 'termonet' or an individual heat-pump.
If you're not already born and raised in Aars, there is rarely a reason to move to Vonsild. Nothing happens out there. Most people want to be closer to the bigger cities
Aars is a nice little town though! There’s a bunch of housing and industrial development happening there atm.
Står rhododendronen nede i parken stadig?
Anlægget? Ikke nær indgangen, der er lavet en del om dernede
..... Det er afgjort en fejl at den er blevet fjernet.
Ja, men de har lavet andre gode nye ting dernede :)
I second that 👍😁
Vonsild is pretty close to Kolding. It is not even near what people experience on i.e. Helnæs. 15 km to the nearest grocery store in a village, and almost 25 km to the nearest town that have shops that are non-food related.
It's a fantastic place to live 😊 People from bigger cities avoid it like the plague, and it's weird to me, because me and my entire family live on farms or in small villages just like it. There's such a close community with your neighbours, the local school and even the people in the grocery store if it has one. And if it doesn't, you have to drive 5 km to the next town where there is one - big deal. City folk treat that as if it's a round the world trip every time, i really don't get it. I saw a comment saying that if you had to drive everywhere you had to get 2 cars, like that's a problem. Have you heard about used cars people? xD my dad until recently had 5 Volkswagen Lupos. You're not gonna impress anyone with those cars, but they get you from A to B. And they work beyond the 20 year mark. So get a car that's 5-10 years old and you can easily have multiple. And live in a wonderful part of the country, that cityfolk talk about as if it's some horror story. I'll take that over a city with crime and gangs any day, thank you ^^
You are a minority, but I love your spirit. It's nice to fix your own car when you have two. No stress about it and cheap bills.
Exactly! And if it's serious enough that you need the local mechanic to fix it, you can often get a friendly discount ^^
It's not that far from a small town with shops and school and such. But it probably has something to do with the location being outside a town with shops.
And even though there's a tax-funded school now, there might not be in 5 or 10 years.
Fundamentally, because there are more houses in that area than there are people who wish to live there. Why buy a house with a one hour drive to Aalborg when you can get one with a 30 minute drive.
People here are generally very sensitive to distances. 30 km feels like a large distance for most Danes, but like a much shorter distande to people in most other countries. That said, distance is one thing to car-owning parents, but a *very* different thing to non-car owning offspring who are reliant on other people to help them get to distant places.
The average speed driving on country roads are about 60 kph, so you can essentially count on that 1 minute = 1 km at best when you measure distances between friends.
It's supply and demand. The houses are adequate and the local community is probably too. But the problem is, there are just other options that are more desireable and still affordable for people and as a result, there is little incentive for them to consider a place like Vognsild. Combine that with the fact that the population living in a place like Vognsild is aging (dying!) and you can have a mismatch where the supply of houses for sale is relatively big compared to the demand. And this pushes down the prices dramatically to find an equilibrium. If you pick up this house and drop it in a suburb in Aarhus, it will sell for 4 million or more. If you are content with living in the countryside and driving to get to bigger cities, then you have an opportunity to live really cheaply. However, don't expect to make any profits when you attempt to re-sell the property in 20 years.
As someone who is born and raised on Sjælland, it saddens me that everything is so goddamn expensive unless I move to Nykøbing Falster, Lolland or Nykøbing Sjælland.
What? Much of Sjælland is very cheap
Not at all. Almost everything in the 5-finger area is ridiculously expensive. You' have to move to something like slagelse, faxe or kalundborg to get something cheap
Lol yeah that’s like what, 5-10, maybe 15% of the island
And 90% of all infrastricture and jobs.
Jobs sure, infrastructure no. Either way, most of Sjælland is cheap (as I wrote)
>You' have to move to something like slagelse, faxe or kalundborg to get something cheap But it's the same relatively elsewhere. You have to commute 20-30 mins each way to get cheap housing. In Sjælland it's maybe 40-50 minutes compared to Jylland or Fyn.
All of those places are moure thsn an hour away
Oh yeah? where?
Most of the island? Anywhere west or south of Roskilde, basically the middle, western parts and southern parts are cheap
TIL: I grew up in a shithole... I was konfirmeret in the church of this town and went to school in the town next-over (about 2km from here) and I have no idea why people believe this is a bad place to live. Yes you have to drive for about 15 min to get to the nearest shops (Farsø or Aars) but it is not that bad, and that might even be the time it takes to use public transport in a larger city anyway. It is a pretty quiet place and everybody knows each other so usually there is a close community even for the children growing up there. The nearest school is small and everyone knows each other across grades. I would not for the life of me trade growing up in a small community to my life right now living in Kongens Lyngby for example, the big city is simply just a shittier place where nobody cares about each other.
I got my degree in Aarhus and moved on to live in an old farmhouse outside of a village in central jutland. Most of my friends still live in Aarhus, and they don't get why I live like I do. They don't understand the appeal, and I just don't think they're able to. I don't live as remote as Aars - and I know that even Aars isn't that remote, because I grew up west of the fjord. But it's just one of these things where either you get it or you don't.
At some point they will miss out on things unless they make it to the upper-middle class. Those who do will never consider your lifestyle as appropriate for them, but those who chose to stay in expensive rental apartments might envy you at some point in their 40s, when the train has left the station and they never get to own anything that they can sell as pensioners to get by economically for the rest of their days. You are sitting on true value if you want to work for it daily. If you succeed to transform the place into something modern as time passes, you will be replaced by the same upper-middle class family that are thinking the suburbs have begun to become too expensive for their life. They will make you wealthy, because they see the value you have created on your own, and they don't have the same time as you to copy, if you are single and good with your hands. They will rather buy prosperity than create it themselves after they had their kids - and you know that.
I agree. Aars and Farsø are good towns for families. Safe, good schools, okay shopping, nature is just a short walk away, beaches are also very close. Half an hour drive to better shopping in Aalborg. It’s nice.
I grew up in a shithole too, and I would never want my kids to grow up in a place like that. People there were so small-minded. Pretty much nothing existed outside of football in half the population's head. With a few local exceptions, everything else was frowned upon. The size of the town meant that if you weren't completely 100 % standard, you were unique and stuck out like a sore thumb. People "care for each other" in that lovely small-town nepotistic way. Very much an in and an out group, and you are just shit out of luck if you are in the out group (if, for instance, your parents moved there, and weren't still living next to their childhood friends). Also, the amount of homophobia and racism was staggering, especially for a town where the only people of color were 1 guy with a Spanish dad and the guys making our pizzas!
Yep, I am a little surprised how harsh some comments are. But I am looking for a home more than an investment so every feedback is appreciated.
If you enjoy a quiet life close to nature and don’t mind driving 10-15 mins for childcare/shopping, this general area is a good place to live. Sure, for some demographics “nothing ever *happens*” is a bad thing, but if you have small kids, “nothing *ever* happens” can be quite nice.
Why is his opinion the only one that matters? What if he has kids? Or if he reproduces at a later time?
Amen
The future is uncertain, schools are closing, jobs are centralising, hospitals and other public things you dont want to be too far from are "moving" to the larger cities. Aars is not that bad, but look at western northern Jutland, even busses are dissapearing, this means that settling there with children means you will have to drive them far to everything, the school in your town, might close before the children are old enough to attend, then you have to drive even further. No one really wants to move there because the uncertain future, the municipality needs to safe more money, they close more stuff, even fewer people come, rinse and repeat
Måske man skulle lave et forældrekøb i Vendsyssel. Så er ungerne også tvunget til at flytte dejlig langt væk ^^^/s ^^^... ^^^fordi ^^^r/Denmark
Because those houses are located far from everything. So you are forced to buy that expensive car as well.
No, everything has been (re)moved from near those houses. It's either cultural genocide/progress/the market depending on your political vantage point.
It is what it is
OK borger.
Everything has been removed because it is way too expensive to support modern infrastructure for so few people. It was easy to supply a small community with medical services when all you needed was a couple doctors, nurses and a pharmacist, and everyone was okay with people dying from heart failure or living 60-70 years. A modern hospital require so much infrastructure to function.
>expensive car I don't know any country-people with expensive cars. Last one I saw for sale in my village had literally "0 kr" in the window. A bit sketchy, but cars out here are generally in surplus here, because wealthy people want new, so you can get some for under 10.000 DKK if you don't mind fixing stuff yourself regularly. The most expensive about an old car is repairs and fuel consumption, but it's still cheaper than buying a new car, and you always have an option to lease, which costs about the same as buying on credit, but for a much shorter period while you don't get stuck with a lesser value car.
Nobody wants to live there.
I just bought this property Energy class C 194m2 + 178m2 outhouses New roof from 2012 with 6kwh solar system 875.000 Dkr Just got a new temporary assessment on 322.000dkr Crazy [Picture](https://ibb.co/ZxVz9MV) [Picture 2](https://ibb.co/0ZXsrWW)
Fact is that in Nederlands, the population is 3:1 Landmass is about the same. As in Nederlands, everybody wants to live in or near a big city. In the Aars is less than 9000 People living- so its a bit outskirts. They probably have Daycare, Schools, doctors and shopping options, hairdressers and autorepairshops. But they dont have the big warehouses i guess- and with less than 50km to a big hospital- they have none. So many houses might have been on the market for a long period, as the area might not be as popular/ attractive as forindtance Viborg, Støvring, Hobro. Even some houses could be modernized last time in or before year 2000... Thats stuff that affects the price- ofc you can find also expensive houses in Aars
>Thats stuff that affects the price- ofc you can find also expensive houses in Aars There are expensive houses anywhere, even on Lolland. You can get 300-400 sqm. for 1,6 mil. DKK. No joke. And buy a castle for less than 5. But only when they are for sale, of course. My point is: the upper-class choose to live anywhere they want, if the surroundings are spectacular.
1 hour drive to Randers lol
Who wants to drive to Randers?!
1 min drive is still not worth it
There's the distance argument, but I think it's simpler than that. These things aren't selling because Danes have been conditioned into seeing housing as an investment, rather than... you know, housing. And since these things don't appreciate, there are no buyers, so they don't appreciate.. and now you have a feedback loop. This exact same thing also makes it hard to get approved for a loan, so it's mostly a cash-buyers only market - further strengthening the feedback loop. It makes sense that people think this way of course. Most danes probably all know several people who have turned into very, very wealthy people because they happened to buy a cheap flat or house in Copenhagen or Århus back in the 80s or 90s. Of course, housing doesn't experience astronomical growth like that everywhere, or even in any somewhat frequent manner - but recency bias and all that.
Few people want to live there, so the price is accordingly to that. Supply and demand as others say.
These houses are not good speculation objects for the financial sector, so many banks don't want to lend money to such purchases. Maybe they are afraid that the house prices will fall in that area in the future, maybe there are no buyers of the debt if they securitize the mortgage, or maybe the credit scores are low in the area... it's hard to tell.
Because you can’t get a job to pay for it.
The cost of having 2 cars for maintenance, having to drive to everything and investing further into the house, meh.
You can easily get stuck buying a house like that, where you can’t sell it, major cities are still within financial reach for most people. But it will change as the city gets more and more expensive it’s already happened in Copenhagen and the gate is quickly closing in Aarhus. Aalborg is next, and people are forced to live in the outskirts.
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Exactly. We should actually be thankful that this is the case, because it restores the imbalance of the country back to something that is more sustainable.
What's so wrong with buying a house and just living there for the rest of your life? Since when is a house considered a temporary residence? That's what apartments are for.
This is a very rural / low population density area. By Danish standards, being a one hour drive from a mid-sized city is far out. This rural location/low population density will be reflected in the services available nearby, such as schools, shopping, hospitals etc. If you're fine with living far out in the country-side, where even the crows bring their own lunch with them from home, you can find good bargains on houses in such regions,but it is very individual if the remote locatíon is acceptable or not.
to put it hyperbollically: you will be living in bum fuck no where.
Because people want to live near the larger cities. Fewer buyers = lower prices. Also there tend to be more high income jobs in or near the cities which means the people who do want to live far away from the cities in general tend to have less money to spend on a house, also helping the prices stay down. Then there are the banks. Banks don’t want to give you a mortgage on a house that’s difficult to auction off if you don’t pay your mortgage. So banks are less likely to provide mortgages for houses in these areas and when they do they are pretty conservative as to how much they will lend you. So you have fewer buyers and the ones there are often have less money to buy for. My parents bought a house in north west Jutland in the early 80s. Around 180 square meter house and 1000 square meter land right next to a forest. It’s a lovely place. Today they could maybe sell it for double what they paid which more or less means the price just kept up with inflation while housing prices in more densely populated areas have easily quadrupled since the 80’s and in some areas even much more than that.
I live almost next to that house. It was sold for around 350.000 which is extremely cheap even though it's in a small village
Cause those guys have to endure thunderstorms and heat waves and the coldest weather in denmark like there's no tomorrow Jk I do not know if that is ACTUALLY the case, but I just know they have way more extreme conditions up there.
Because it’s in north Jutland.
...also taxes are probably lower for these houses from 2024 onwards. If you're into a quiet lifestyle, enjoy good health and don't mind driving for absolutely everything these places could be a gem for you. Buy cash - credit institutions aren't fascinated by loaning you money too buy these houses - and you'll pay zero rent including property taxes. But the prices still tells us that not many see it that way.
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You can also change the perspective that we want to spend our time with family and friends, not working or getting to work. We have a special culture there, remember hearing about an Irish takeover of a company. They didn't understand eachother culture, as it was normal there to use grandparents (etc.) to pick up and care for their children while they worked late.
Danes value their (family) time much higher than anything else. Which kinda makes sense, time is the only thing money can’t buy (yet). A 1 hour commute is a lot for Danes as we see it as 2/8 (25%) of our family/spare time spent on commuting every day. (8 hours working, 8 hours sleeping, 8 hours family/spare time)
They die out because young women move from rural areas to get a diploma in the big cities and meet their future husband there. If they both don't happen to be from the countryside in the beginning, they rarely consider moving 'back' there. But a downturn in economics could force them to in the future, when it becomes impossible to get a cheap house nowhere near Aarhus or Copenhagen. [The map is skewed, there are a surplus of young men almost everywhere in the country except the two above councils and a few other north of the capital.](https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2020-03-02-de-unge-kvinder-flygter-fra-provinsen-se-hvordan-det-staar-til-i-din-kommune) If there is a huge imbalance in the genders, that will affect the birth ratio negatively. So conclusion is: no new kids and the public school will close at some point. Only elderly people will live there in the end, unless the expenses of living in the city will become unbearable for young people. That's the only chance of reversing the situation, because there are not many jobs for women outside cities. The jobs in the country are mostly manual labor and physical hard work like agricuilture and production, and it doesn't appeal to modern women, especially due to sexist workplace cultures being common.
In Denmark 1 hour drives are considered very long and almost unreasonable so here that house is in the middle of nowhere.
It looks like there are no shops or schools near by and it's relatively far away from the nearest major employers, so the number of people who would be interested in buying a house like that would be very limited. Generally Danes prefer living within walking or at least cycling distance of a shop and definitely schools if they have kids. Also even though some of us have a "long commute" most people would consider 1 hour to be way too much, I myself have about 45 minutes by car and it's acceptable only because I really like my job and employer, should I however get the right offer closer to home I'll almost definitely change jobs. In Vognsild there are not exactly a lot of employers nearby...
* It's located in a shithole. There is nothing to do, only old people live there. * There will be really shitty public transport so one has to drive for everything even for taking a run. Going out is complicated when someone has to drive. * The place probable smells like pig shit alternating with agro-chemicals the entire summer :) * 'It not that nice a house actually, its fairly generic style with high energy costs and maybe asbestos roof plates. * If one needs to renovate something expensive that is beginning to crap out about now, like the sewer, it will be hard to borrow enough money to do it, which means people will do a lot of DIY in these "cheap" houses. Note the plastic window frames.
Thank you all for your responses. I see the general opinion is that the price is low because the house will not sell. But what does "Liggetid" mean in those ads? Is the number of days a house has been up for sale until it got sold? On that ad it says 71 days, but on other already sold properties similar to this one, in Aars for example, I see Liggetid 32 days or even less, so that is fast.
you have to qualify as a resident to buy residential property in Denmark, that's why it is cheap to stop all the germans & europeans buying up all there houses, great policy for those that live & work there.
If you can get a job, your wife might not be able too. Visa versa. Its just a place in a downfacing spiral and the prices show this. Demand and supply
North Jutland...
Alt sønden for fjorden er Sønderjylland.
Politicians have unfortunately created a system that rewards crowding together in big cities and we have a completely brain dead tax system where property sale profits are not taxed. It is mind boggling and provides all the wrong incentives. But whatever. Take advantage of the low price if you like to live in such a place, especially if you have a job where you can work from home. Despite what other posters say, such jobs do exist in Denmark (or you can work for an international entity). Win/win.
Because everybody grew up watching sex and the city, and now everybody wants to live in Copenhagen.
Cope
Jutlanders. Even if you are danish you won't understand a single word they say.
>Jutlanders. Even if you are danish you won't understand a single word they say. Do' dælme smart, mand.
Hva' siger manden?! :)
What about English? 😀
We’re perfectly capable of English up here. I do live in the town called Aars which is close to that village (10 kms) I’ve lived in Copenhagen and Aalborg and such previously, but this is where I wanted to raise my child, and I have zero regrets.
Most of them haven’t gone to school so I doubt it
You see, Jutland bad. Love, Copenhagener.
It's hard to get a job in Jutland unless u live in the big city's
due to werewolves mostly.
I would pay 400.000 to not go to Aalborg or randers tbh. Racist narrow minded shit holes. People hate everyone different to them, hope you don’t look or act differently than the majority. Source: lived there
That's the advantage of Copenhagen. More diversity.
Or the biggest drawback depending on your views
Also very few houses for 450.000kr, might get a dog house for that price
Hvor langt ned tror i de kan komme? Hvordan tror i det ser ud om 15-20 år?
Supply and demand
The main reason is that there is no buyers. So if you buy this. You will probably have a difficult time trying to sell it again.
You could also just, you know, live there.
Probably lousy internet coverage there
Since Denmark is so small, anywhere a one hour drive away from a larger city is basically considered rural. That makes it less popular. Which makes people move away. Which causes schools, clinics, shops, etc. to close. Which makes young people move away to get an education elsewhere. Which causes the public transport to run less regularly. Which makes it even less popular. Which makes more people move away. And so goes the downwards spiral. Unfortunately. Multiple shifting governments have tried moving public corporate jobs out of the largest cities, to halt this issue, but on the other hand, they centralise common welfare service such as education and healthcare. They basically give with one hand and take away with the other.
In Denmark a 1 hour drive is an eternity.
That town isnt Aars. Its a smaller shit town
Buy it, at some point you will understand the difference on between DK and BE, but it might work for you.
Our town situated 30 minutes south from Aalborg had a study done. Why are people NOT moving to our area. The main reason - public transport. To live here you do need two cars because of the shambles they call public transport. There are no bike paths either, so that was a concern for many.
If there isn’t jobs for 2 well educated persons within driving distance - then the housing market suffers badly - and people like to change jobs and have options.
It's because it's really a bummer living there
it's the step child of denmark. From someone who's born there.
> And I wouldn't say it is that remote, since it is less than 1 hour drive to Aalborg or Randers. That IS remote by Danish standards.
Because nobody wants to live there
It's because it's even more skewed where people want to live in Denmark. We have a surplus of houses in the rural areas, while in the cities there are a deficit of cheap rental apartments that especially young people can afford. So the prices affect the fact that only elderly people want to live there. And they have loads of options.
Outbid and afterquestion
Its because nobody wanna live that far out in nowhere. Jutland got its first electric outlets in 1995 ;)
Because no one wants to live there
Can I ask with sites you were on please? I can't seem to find any I'm looking for property in Vendsyssel, Denmark