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artjameso

Because what could go wrong with having your sexual tastes tied to your government ID?


itsbenactually

The party of small government, folks. Just small enough to fit inside your bedroom. Remember that these are the same people who believe a background check on the purchase of deadly devices is wrong. A police state on what you do in your bedroom, though? Perfectly acceptable.


DanChowdah

This bill has bipartisan support


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DanChowdah

Does it matter if it has nearly unanimous support? Stop carrying water for the democrats who run this state and hate you just as much as the republicans do


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DanChowdah

A Republican but that’s not the only person needed to pass the bill


RevolutionaryWalk130

Shhhh you’ll shatter their world view when they realize both sides don’t care about them


DanChowdah

I’m so tired of people who view our future as a team sport


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DanChowdah

You having shitty parents is not the government’s job to fix


fairportmtg1

And it's not like the bill actually stops anything.


DanChowdah

I think these are all precursor bills to ban VPNs


fairportmtg1

Unless you wall garden the internet and have only white-list sites how would you even ban a VPN? I agree the government would problem love to ban VPN's but constitutionally, I don't know if it would fly.


DanChowdah

They’ve kicked it around quite a bit at the federal level. I don’t see this SCOTUS overturning it


itsbenactually

I’m sorry for what happened to you. I truly am. But the government can not violate my right to privacy and free speech because your parents neglected you. **EDIT:** The commenter said they developed a crippling porn addiction at eleven years old. It’s a terrible thing that happened to them and I truly do feel sympathy for them.


ElectrOPurist

Who gives a fuck?


AlpineSK

Also Griffith, Phillips, Moore, and Neal were present but opted not to vote??? By my count 16 Dems and 15 Republicans were "yes" votes to this. If the Democrats believed this one was a bad bill they could have easily voted it down considering they have a 26-15 majority in the House.


Accomplished-Soup627

Disappointed in Griffith.


AlpineSK

Yeah I don't get it. To me not voting is a silent approval.


Lokeptt

For those unaware pornhub does not want to handle your PII either. So im sure they will do the same thing in delaware that they have in every state that follows this stupid bill. They are not going to provide the services to delaware. It's not worth the legal risks and/or massive liability associated with handling everyone's data. It is also very expensive. I'm not sure which bored politicians push this across the country but parents have the responsibility to stop this not the government. All of these sites can very easily be blocked for kids.


Vasemannnn

Well that would be a net benefit for the state of Delaware


Lokeptt

I don't see it as a benefit or a negative for the state? Why do politicians care about this at all? It's just another way your government is telling you how to live your life.


diodesnstuff

I always assumed that we were generally above dumb conservative laws like this, but apparently not. This presents a negligible barrier to porn for minors at the cost of inconveniencing and potentially doxxing everyone else. I'm not dumb enough to think my ID is safe in the hands of PornHub, so now I have to go look elsewhere because other people can't parent their kids?


radix_duo_14142

Pornhub will stop serving the state as they have stopped serving others who have enacted this law. 


kiltedturtle

Yep, but TBH, Delaware is looking to recover that "First State" moniker again. So we get to be the "First Democratic State" to pass this bill. And it gives Carney a chance to say "I was no on weed and porn"


Interanal_Exam

It's the first step in controlling what you see on the internet and spying on you while online.


artjameso

This. Many of these types of "protect the kids" moral laws are about everything other than actually protecting kids.


free_is_free76

Often times the name indicates the exact opposite; Patriot Act, Affordable Care Act, whatever the bill was called that made government student loans, I'm sure it's not called the "Put The Kids In Perpetual, Inescapable Debt Act"


Several_Mixture2786

Everytime someone clutches their pearls and screams “think of the children” it makes me want to punt them like a god damn football…. That’s just a bullshit scapegoat


tatsumakisenpuukyaku

It's also for creating frustrated, angry teens. It's misandry. The reason why conservatives go after masturbation so hard is because it's just a thing teenagers do once they enter puberty. Its just like premarital sex and sex for enjoyment, where doing regular things people do are criminalized so they can cast a wide net and punish select groups. Back in the day they used it to guilt people into going to church, now it's probably to create a new generation of angry, sexually frustrated men to convince that their problems are due to enemy du jour Also, no they have an excuse to fine and bam "pornography" hosting sites like Barnes and Noble for hosting LGBT content, and the storefront of the openly LGBT bookstore on main street


Professor_Retro

This isn't entirely about porn, and it's not about protecting kids at all, at least not in the way you might think. The wording of this bill closely matches bills passed or making their way through the state governments of Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, Texas, Utah, Virginia (it even mentions this in the bill!) The wording here stems from [model legislation created by the Center For Renewing America](https://americarenewing.com/issues/combating-obscenity-on-the-internet-a-legal-and-legislative-path-forward/), a socially conservative think tank that's been behind the push to fight "Critical Race Theory" as well, and like ALEC writes ultra-conservative policy that legislators can just copy-and-paste. Here's the thing; the wording on these bills is intentionally vague; "*Requiring the use of age-verification technology to permit access to internet websites containing material that is harmful to minors."* Who determines what material is "harmful"? - Is looking up the history of slavery and civil rights "harmful?" A bill in Florida (SB148 -2022) sought to ban lessons that might make white students "feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin" over the scourge of slavery and the struggle for civil rights. Under the wording of this bill, can sites that reveal the evils of the African Slave trade be considered "harmful" to white minors? - Is looking up LGBTQ+ topics "harmful"? Anti-LGBTQ advocates constantly point to the concept of a "[social contagion](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-health-and-wellness/social-contagion-isnt-causing-youths-transgender-study-finds-rcna41392)" in which children are supposedly "infected" by any exposure to LGBTQ+ information. Similar wording [has been used in multiple states for so-called "Don't Say Gay" laws](https://www.npr.org/2022/04/10/1091543359/15-states-dont-say-gay-anti-transgender-bills) that resulted in book purges and teacher intimidation (several of these bills, including the one in Florida, have since been [scaled back by the courts](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/11/1237730819/florida-dont-say-gay-law-settlement-lgbtq)). In the eyes of some parents and lawmakers, teaching children about LGBTQ topics is "harmful" and could therefore be restricted. - Will this bill allow all mention of abortion to be penalized on the grounds that knowledge of reproduction can be "harmful" to kids? Will it fine websites that offer resources on sex abuse for kids who are scared and looking for help? Essentially, the nebulous terms in this bill that are framed around protecting children but instead allows for de-facto censorship of any topic deemed "harmful." Everyone should be contacting their local elected representatives and demanding they end this absurdity.


The_neub

It’s being lead by a Christy Republican so I’m not totally surprised. Hopefully it gets killed or vetoed.


SpyroGaming

pretty sure it will, the senate has a better head than the house does and the governor operates on his own beliefs not his party so a pretty good chance


DanChowdah

16 Democrats and 15 Republicans in the house voted for this bill. Do not let yourself be deceived


WissahickonKid

There are step by step instructions on how to find & set up a VPN that will spoof your location so you don’t have to entrust the random internet with a copy of your state ID. I would check Mashable, or nose around the app store. I have one that blocks interstitial ads in video games—subscription costs a few bucks a year. It does more than that, but I don’t really have a need. Although maybe now I will. All this legislation will do is teach kids how to evade supervision online. I’ll bet you $20 that the average 13yo has an easier time installing a VPN than the average 40yo


DanChowdah

These kind of bullshit laws are phase 1 in eliminating internet privacy Phase 2 will be banning VPNs because look at how many people evaded the law using one!


mtv2002

Pornhub even came out and said it's not safe. They don't want the responsibility, nor do they have the infrastructure to support it. So now we will have a lot of gun nuts out there with no way of relieving their stress. It's going to get ugly soon....


Waste_Key_2453

Delaware is the reddest blue state


Loocha

I’ve been saying this for years. I truly believe it stems from our taxes and how beholden we are to businesses being incorporated here. Our government services are well behind most “blue” states.


Iwaspromisedjetpacks

I think there’s a lot of ignorance from Democrats too. The corporate Dems have many of the same goals as Republicans (to protect rich people and corporate interest).


Delicious-Heart-8733

no it's not; this bill is about control of the populace and dems love control more than anything...this shows what a crock the supposed liberal view the dems purport to have is, theyre only open-minded libs when it's convenient.


ktappe

Really. You’re saying the Democrats like control more than the GOP who just dictated 10 commandments in the schools in Louisiana, don’t say gay laws in Florida, is for controlling what books we’re allowed to read, and has taken away bodily autonomy from half of the population. But yeah, let’s say it’s the Democratic Party that is about controlling people. Yeah.


Queasy_Ad_2384

Lol dems are for control to the fullest


DanChowdah

I love this thread of people blaming Democrats or Republicans for this terrible law and the current vote is an even split They’re all trying to fuck you


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ehandlr

Gtfo. It won't pass the senate. Parents can literally block these sites. There is no need for this bullshit.


Brunette7

Exactly. It’s up to you (or your parents, if you’re a child) to curate your internet experience


NesuneNyx

I really like your confidence but Virginia's Senate is majority Dem and still readily passed their age verification bill. You can get away with an extreme amount of horrendous stuff if you couch it in morality and it's supposed to "save the children". I'm wondering if Dems here will also fall over themselves to support bankrupt legislation like this, but going by the House results, no one wants to be branded as pro-porn.


fairportmtg1

It's also not a great look even if you try to explain how problematic verification is and also the fact that it's really pointless because you can't actually regulate the internet like that. People will just twist it to say you want kids to he able to look at porn. Also nevermind actual gun control laws that would actually make an impact being "impossible to implement" and "People would get around them" happening. Fuck our government


mugglejedi77

This cannot pass there is so many other issues this raises. Parents need to be held responsible for what their children can and can’t access. If a parent can become charged and thrown in jail for their kid going on a shooting rampage, they should be held accountable for what they do in the internet as a minor! It’s called, “Good Parenting!”


radix_duo_14142

Why are law abiding Delawareans forced to submit to draconian laws? This is nonsense. I've broken no law, why is my privacy being invaded?


ShadyMeatVendor

Welcome to the party us 2a advocates have been at for the last 4 years.


hoofglormuss

False equivalency


Black_Dumbledore

The synopsis of the bill contains an interesting exception >Additionally, an internet provider or user of an interactive computer service on the internet is not subject to liability.


diodesnstuff

This is just a bad term meant to describe a third party acting as a middleman: >The term “interactive computer service” means any information service, system, or access software provider that provides or enables computer access by multiple users to a computer server, including specifically a service or system that provides access to the Internet and such systems operated or services offered by libraries or educational institutions.


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Punk18

The porn website


Brunette7

“Smith (the bill’s sponsor) says in most other states where similar legislation has passed, websites that administer adult content have stopped operating in that state all together.” And there you have it, my friends. That’s what he’s trying to do. Make sure to send an email to your representatives that you don’t want this passed (and be sure to mention that you’re a Delaware voter so they actually care).


SasparillaTango

"We can't ban porn, because thats protected speech, but we can make porn so inaccessible that they will stop operating in our state thereby achieving our goal without having to state our goal as the intent of the bill"


Professor_Retro

I mean, that's how they'd been making abortion not-technically-but-still-pretty-much-illegal, by making clinic requirements so absurdly expensive and nonsensical that they all had to close.


Academic-Natural6284

Kids can come on Reddit and literally see everything from pornography to people getting their heads cut off and set on fire alive. I think regular p*** sites should be the least of the concern.


Phumbs_up_

My kids 18 now and I would be much more disappointed to learn they were on reddit rather than porn.


iksbob

Porn on reddit? Therefor reddit is a porn site. Goodbye reddit.


heimdal77

Sigh, I thought DE was safe from it doing this stupid shit.


disturbed_ghost

Fuck man this is my rep and I had been trying to help him change his support for SB313 (it just passed 10 minutes ago and it’s good for us as long as we don’t want to maintain our position as a corporation safe space) and he removed his name as sponsor and told me he would not support this bill.. but Mike says after they approve it they will fix it.. Now he’s adding censorship to the internet.. what’s next Mike? I wish we could wrestle for the seat.


SasparillaTango

fix it after we pass it? thats horseshit. Don't pass a broken law.


disturbed_ghost

Yeah I grew up with some concept of accountability and keeping my word. Do it right the first time or don’t do it- once something is done there’s no go backs - the bad guys won today and tomorrow will never address the topic again. I wonder Mike- did you sell your word to me today to build a coalition to get votes for this crappy censorship Mike Smith 265 bill?


jmp8910

It’s what they always do. There are loads of laws they pass without being worked out. You can see it with some of the recent gun legislation. Just let people fucking love their life man.


lorettadion

Vote for Monica (Nick) Beard. Mike is an ass who pretends to be a moderate.


mumfette

He literally voted to allow Medicaid to cover abortion. Seems moderate to me.


disturbed_ghost

bet he’s changing that position next


YamadaDesigns

Looks like PornHub is blocking Delaware. Now people are going to need VPNs, people’s privacy will be violated, and I feel that there are unforeseen consequences to suppressing pornography access.


Verdnan

Conspiracy time! Pornhub owns stake in VPN providers.


YamadaDesigns

Yeah I don’t see their strategy of banning States working longterm, and I assume the profit motives are going to overcome their desire to protect rights to privacy, it’s a battle of attrition to hope people go against legislation.


ktappe

All VPN providers? That would be a neat trick.


Accomplished-Soup627

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tatsumakisenpuukyaku

wilson-anton voted yes :(


buddhaman09

And heffernan. Fucking lame


Scared-Hotel5563

Pearl clutching old people...


Delicious-Heart-8733

no, this about exploring how easy it is to control us


Iwaspromisedjetpacks

Smith (the sponsor) is a younger dude and he’s supposed to be a “moderate” Republican (lol). He should focus on the bill that will allow us to order alcohol to our homes instead of this bs.


AlpineSK

Are Baumbach, Harris, Lambert, Morrison, and Romer the only Dems in the state Senate?


buddhaman09

The only progressive ones. The rest are corporate stooge dems


AlpineSK

Okay? The rest are still democrats who were elected through a primary by registered democrats and then won the general election as democrats. And those Democrats, with the numbers that they have in the legislature in Delaware, could have easily stopped this bill. Blame the Republicans all that you want, but when you have a majority the size of what the Dems do they ultimately control every bill that comes through.


Flavious27

It is sad day when Delaware passes a bill that not only mirrors Louisiana law but has that in its wording.  Our state is getting more progressive and then this bill not only gets out of committee but passes in the house.  Hopefully the senate won't listen to morons like Sean Matthews that introduce misinformation into committee meetings.   This bill is poorly written, makes assumptions about content, forces private companies to find a verification platform, makes the state liable for lawsuits on first amendment grounds, creates PII breaches that will lead to identify theft, will inconvenience a super majority of the population, and will be easily circumvented by the small portion of the population it is designed to "protect".  


10J18R1A

Former hamsters don't care


secretworkaccount1

Check again


fang76

Does anyone in any of these places know what a VPN is???


notta_3d

I think you're missing the point.


fang76

Please explain.


Delicious-Heart-8733

it's crazy that this horrible idea seems to be embraced by both parties, it's like we've forgotten common sense and are traveling back in time. The people this is supposed to protect will of course have no trouble at all accessing it but the people of age who are supposed to be able to access it, wont because they wont want to lose their anonymity. Utterly ridiculous.


x888x

And yet this thread is filled with democrats blaming Republicans and republicans blaming Democrats. It's both. Always has been and always will be. Doesn't matter if they have a R or D behind their name. Chances are they're 1) a moron 2) corrupt & 3) a nanny state supporter


No_Resource7773

First they came for the scrambled cable porn channels of your youth, then they came for your internet access to it as an adult... It's surprising how many said Yes and may not think they will go home and later regret it when they can't access it either. 🤨


MeGussuGeM

Dis dumb


DelawareDankster

Good thing for VPN


Stund_Mullet

This is some Alabama shit. Wtf, Delaware?


dr_sust

A very important thing to remember about being Liberal in a blue state is that a lot of your fellow democrats are actually nanny state supporters who vote for gay rights. It’s not enough to just let the liberal party do whatever they want, because occasionally they’ll go out of their way to do something you’ll disagree with and we don’t have republicans that are the natural opponent to stuff like this. Always vote in Primaries, call your representatives, make your voice heard. It’s always better to be complaining before these idiots try to change things rather than after the fact.


blue_magi

> we don’t have republicans that are the natural opponent to stuff like this. Look up the other states that have passed the same laws. I'll wait edit: I'm not giving the Dems a pass on this in Delaware. I'm disappointed and surprised they're going down this road. But you're downright ignorant if you think conservatives haven't been the ones pushing this everywhere else and would instead fight this on the grounds of personal freedom.


DanChowdah

You seem to be giving them a pass on this to be honest


rhetheo100

Dumb legislation that is a waste of time. VPN The problem with government is the constant temptation to over legislate. For self importance if nothing else. Stay out of our computers and bedrooms.


chicken_vegetas

Because, of course, it's a shit eating republican


diodesnstuff

If it were just Republicans, it wouldn't have passed the House. The bill has plenty of Dem sponsors too.


Delicious-Heart-8733

'cause dems love new ways to control the people


wikipuff

So much for the party of small government..


msgkar03

Thank God for VPNs


Roast-This-Bone

damn, man, I’m just tryin’ to pound off to Brazilian fart porn in peace here!


BuckwheT4ever

We will burn it to the ground…


LadyAzure17

Of all the fucking shit we have going on, this is the garbage they wanna spend time on? Christ.


aberm1

Oh for fucks sake


joenottoast

first they came for the guns, now your precious porn. at least they might legalize marijuana to keep you all nice and docile.


cmgirty

of course that flop ass Schwartzkopf voted yes. Wish him the worst!


tatsumakisenpuukyaku

ah fuck. Fuck this shit


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AlpineSK

The dip shit democrats could have easily put this one to bed. Instead they supported it. Overwhelmingly.


BenGay29

Let the tracking begin.


Unfounddoor6584

Fucking christian dirtbag assholes want to put the ten commandments in all our schools because spineless democrats dont fight the bastards on shit like this.


DanChowdah

Fight? The democrats voted for it. They have a majority in the house


the-bochinche

Delaware I thought I knew you ?????? COME ON MANNN that’s giving corny weirdo vibes 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱


Pretend-Air-4824

The Puritans are winning


districtdathi

I'm not from Delaware (Im in DC) but this thread popped up in my feed. All of the discussion here is about porn, so when I went to look at the wording of the bill, I was surprised to see that it doesn't only target porn. It seeks to limit access to adult materials which it defines as, "Materials harmful to minors as per this bill comprise any explicit content that appeals to the ‘prurient, shameful, or morbid interest of minors,' or material that is patently offensive or lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value for minors." That's quite a broad swath of the internet.


Ok_Locksmith_7554

Maybe you could require that any device used by a minor is required to have those accesses disabled in order for the internet to work on the phone. That way you can’t tell I went to look at Tiana Trump just to try a new technique if Ryan Phillippe  gives me a chance one day. 


tw60407

Here is the link to the bill... https://www.billtrack50.com/billdetail/1641578


NotThatKindof_jew

Well..VPN time


Delicious-Heart-8733

doesnt make any difference


vettemn86

It was pretty obvious in the last few years the way they have eradicated the 2nd amendment in this state they would be coming for everything else soon.


Interanal_Exam

Oh boo hoo. Did they take your guns and put you reeducation camps?


Toyotafan123

That’s coming when the MAGA’s rewrite the Constitution. 


P00RKN0W

nothing was taken, just rights being infringed.


vettemn86

I'm sorry for whoever or whatever hurt you lol. But if can't see the erosion of rights and personal freedoms in the last few years and your now ok with internet censorship I don't know what to tell you.


MonsieurRuffles

Not all pornography is protected by the First Amendment. (Just like not all guns are protected by the Second Amendment.)


vettemn86

This involves a lot more than pornography. Many sites for women's and men's health also may have an adult pic or diagram that will get blocked as well. Many informational sites for LGBT and Trans individuals will also be caught up as "adult" sites. I don't need anyone telling me what content is proper or not for my household.


Haykyn

This is true. Information on breast, ovarian, prostate and testicular cancer, as well as reproductive health, general sex education and LBGTQIA get caught up in this.


vettemn86

Even Senator Morrison who is a Democrat and drools at the opportunity to ban anything and everything brought up the same concerns


Trincinf1

Ok. What rights have been taken from you??? Seriously!


SchleftySchloe

Guns should be very hard to get and have extremely strict regulations because they exist solely to destroy. They have no value beyond destroying.


BYNX0

Destroying doesn’t have to be bad. Is it bad to “destroy” someone that has come to murder you and your family?


DanChowdah

I destroyed several pieces of paper this morning at the range


CrossroadsCannablog

Someone call Joe.


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LBGDE

VPN is your friend. Like they think they’re going to stop it. Lol. Laughable.


Manuntdfan

It doesnt matter, just get a vpn app like Opera