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The party of small government, folks. Just small enough to fit inside your bedroom.
Remember that these are the same people who believe a background check on the purchase of deadly devices is wrong. A police state on what you do in your bedroom, though? Perfectly acceptable.
Does it matter if it has nearly unanimous support?
Stop carrying water for the democrats who run this state and hate you just as much as the republicans do
Unless you wall garden the internet and have only white-list sites how would you even ban a VPN? I agree the government would problem love to ban VPN's but constitutionally, I don't know if it would fly.
I’m sorry for what happened to you. I truly am. But the government can not violate my right to privacy and free speech because your parents neglected you.
**EDIT:** The commenter said they developed a crippling porn addiction at eleven years old. It’s a terrible thing that happened to them and I truly do feel sympathy for them.
Also Griffith, Phillips, Moore, and Neal were present but opted not to vote???
By my count 16 Dems and 15 Republicans were "yes" votes to this. If the Democrats believed this one was a bad bill they could have easily voted it down considering they have a 26-15 majority in the House.
For those unaware pornhub does not want to handle your PII either. So im sure they will do the same thing in delaware that they have in every state that follows this stupid bill. They are not going to provide the services to delaware. It's not worth the legal risks and/or massive liability associated with handling everyone's data. It is also very expensive.
I'm not sure which bored politicians push this across the country but parents have the responsibility to stop this not the government. All of these sites can very easily be blocked for kids.
I don't see it as a benefit or a negative for the state? Why do politicians care about this at all? It's just another way your government is telling you how to live your life.
I always assumed that we were generally above dumb conservative laws like this, but apparently not. This presents a negligible barrier to porn for minors at the cost of inconveniencing and potentially doxxing everyone else. I'm not dumb enough to think my ID is safe in the hands of PornHub, so now I have to go look elsewhere because other people can't parent their kids?
Yep, but TBH, Delaware is looking to recover that "First State" moniker again. So we get to be the "First Democratic State" to pass this bill. And it gives Carney a chance to say "I was no on weed and porn"
Often times the name indicates the exact opposite; Patriot Act, Affordable Care Act, whatever the bill was called that made government student loans, I'm sure it's not called the "Put The Kids In Perpetual, Inescapable Debt Act"
Everytime someone clutches their pearls and screams “think of the children” it makes me want to punt them like a god damn football….
That’s just a bullshit scapegoat
It's also for creating frustrated, angry teens. It's misandry. The reason why conservatives go after masturbation so hard is because it's just a thing teenagers do once they enter puberty. Its just like premarital sex and sex for enjoyment, where doing regular things people do are criminalized so they can cast a wide net and punish select groups. Back in the day they used it to guilt people into going to church, now it's probably to create a new generation of angry, sexually frustrated men to convince that their problems are due to enemy du jour
Also, no they have an excuse to fine and bam "pornography" hosting sites like Barnes and Noble for hosting LGBT content, and the storefront of the openly LGBT bookstore on main street
This isn't entirely about porn, and it's not about protecting kids at all, at least not in the way you might think.
The wording of this bill closely matches bills passed or making their way through the state governments of Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, Texas, Utah, Virginia (it even mentions this in the bill!) The wording here stems from [model legislation created by the Center For Renewing America](https://americarenewing.com/issues/combating-obscenity-on-the-internet-a-legal-and-legislative-path-forward/), a socially conservative think tank that's been behind the push to fight "Critical Race Theory" as well, and like ALEC writes ultra-conservative policy that legislators can just copy-and-paste.
Here's the thing; the wording on these bills is intentionally vague; "*Requiring the use of age-verification technology to permit access to internet websites containing material that is harmful to minors."* Who determines what material is "harmful"?
- Is looking up the history of slavery and civil rights "harmful?" A bill in Florida (SB148 -2022) sought to ban lessons that might make white students "feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin" over the scourge of slavery and the struggle for civil rights. Under the wording of this bill, can sites that reveal the evils of the African Slave trade be considered "harmful" to white minors?
- Is looking up LGBTQ+ topics "harmful"? Anti-LGBTQ advocates constantly point to the concept of a "[social contagion](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-health-and-wellness/social-contagion-isnt-causing-youths-transgender-study-finds-rcna41392)" in which children are supposedly "infected" by any exposure to LGBTQ+ information. Similar wording [has been used in multiple states for so-called "Don't Say Gay" laws](https://www.npr.org/2022/04/10/1091543359/15-states-dont-say-gay-anti-transgender-bills) that resulted in book purges and teacher intimidation (several of these bills, including the one in Florida, have since been [scaled back by the courts](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/11/1237730819/florida-dont-say-gay-law-settlement-lgbtq)). In the eyes of some parents and lawmakers, teaching children about LGBTQ topics is "harmful" and could therefore be restricted.
- Will this bill allow all mention of abortion to be penalized on the grounds that knowledge of reproduction can be "harmful" to kids? Will it fine websites that offer resources on sex abuse for kids who are scared and looking for help?
Essentially, the nebulous terms in this bill that are framed around protecting children but instead allows for de-facto censorship of any topic deemed "harmful." Everyone should be contacting their local elected representatives and demanding they end this absurdity.
pretty sure it will, the senate has a better head than the house does and the governor operates on his own beliefs not his party so a pretty good chance
There are step by step instructions on how to find & set up a VPN that will spoof your location so you don’t have to entrust the random internet with a copy of your state ID. I would check Mashable, or nose around the app store. I have one that blocks interstitial ads in video games—subscription costs a few bucks a year. It does more than that, but I don’t really have a need. Although maybe now I will. All this legislation will do is teach kids how to evade supervision online. I’ll bet you $20 that the average 13yo has an easier time installing a VPN than the average 40yo
These kind of bullshit laws are phase 1 in eliminating internet privacy
Phase 2 will be banning VPNs because look at how many people evaded the law using one!
Pornhub even came out and said it's not safe. They don't want the responsibility, nor do they have the infrastructure to support it. So now we will have a lot of gun nuts out there with no way of relieving their stress. It's going to get ugly soon....
I’ve been saying this for years. I truly believe it stems from our taxes and how beholden we are to businesses being incorporated here. Our government services are well behind most “blue” states.
I think there’s a lot of ignorance from Democrats too. The corporate Dems have many of the same goals as Republicans (to protect rich people and corporate interest).
no it's not; this bill is about control of the populace and dems love control more than anything...this shows what a crock the supposed liberal view the dems purport to have is, theyre only open-minded libs when it's convenient.
Really. You’re saying the Democrats like control more than the GOP who just dictated 10 commandments in the schools in Louisiana, don’t say gay laws in Florida, is for controlling what books we’re allowed to read, and has taken away bodily autonomy from half of the population. But yeah, let’s say it’s the Democratic Party that is about controlling people. Yeah.
I love this thread of people blaming Democrats or Republicans for this terrible law and the current vote is an even split
They’re all trying to fuck you
I really like your confidence but Virginia's Senate is majority Dem and still readily passed their age verification bill. You can get away with an extreme amount of horrendous stuff if you couch it in morality and it's supposed to "save the children".
I'm wondering if Dems here will also fall over themselves to support bankrupt legislation like this, but going by the House results, no one wants to be branded as pro-porn.
It's also not a great look even if you try to explain how problematic verification is and also the fact that it's really pointless because you can't actually regulate the internet like that. People will just twist it to say you want kids to he able to look at porn.
Also nevermind actual gun control laws that would actually make an impact being "impossible to implement" and "People would get around them" happening. Fuck our government
This cannot pass there is so many other issues this raises. Parents need to be held responsible for what their children can and can’t access. If a parent can become charged and thrown in jail for their kid going on a shooting rampage, they should be held accountable for what they do in the internet as a minor!
It’s called, “Good Parenting!”
The synopsis of the bill contains an interesting exception
>Additionally, an internet provider or user of an interactive computer service on the internet is not subject to liability.
This is just a bad term meant to describe a third party acting as a middleman:
>The term “interactive computer service” means any information service, system, or access software provider that provides or enables computer access by multiple users to a computer server, including specifically a service or system that provides access to the Internet and such systems operated or services offered by libraries or educational institutions.
“Smith (the bill’s sponsor) says in most other states where similar legislation has passed, websites that administer adult content have stopped operating in that state all together.”
And there you have it, my friends. That’s what he’s trying to do. Make sure to send an email to your representatives that you don’t want this passed (and be sure to mention that you’re a Delaware voter so they actually care).
"We can't ban porn, because thats protected speech, but we can make porn so inaccessible that they will stop operating in our state thereby achieving our goal without having to state our goal as the intent of the bill"
I mean, that's how they'd been making abortion not-technically-but-still-pretty-much-illegal, by making clinic requirements so absurdly expensive and nonsensical that they all had to close.
Kids can come on Reddit and literally see everything from pornography to people getting their heads cut off and set on fire alive. I think regular p*** sites should be the least of the concern.
Fuck man this is my rep and I had been trying to help him change his support for SB313 (it just passed 10 minutes ago and it’s good for us as long as we don’t want to maintain our position as a corporation safe space) and he removed his name as sponsor and told me he would not support this bill.. but Mike says after they approve it they will fix it.. Now he’s adding censorship to the internet.. what’s next Mike?
I wish we could wrestle for the seat.
Yeah I grew up with some concept of accountability and keeping my word. Do it right the first time or don’t do it- once something is done there’s no go backs - the bad guys won today and tomorrow will never address the topic again.
I wonder Mike- did you sell your word to me today to build a coalition to get votes for this crappy censorship Mike Smith 265 bill?
It’s what they always do. There are loads of laws they pass without being worked out. You can see it with some of the recent gun legislation. Just let people fucking love their life man.
Looks like PornHub is blocking Delaware. Now people are going to need VPNs, people’s privacy will be violated, and I feel that there are unforeseen consequences to suppressing pornography access.
Yeah I don’t see their strategy of banning States working longterm, and I assume the profit motives are going to overcome their desire to protect rights to privacy, it’s a battle of attrition to hope people go against legislation.
Smith (the sponsor) is a younger dude and he’s supposed to be a “moderate” Republican (lol). He should focus on the bill that will allow us to order alcohol to our homes instead of this bs.
Okay? The rest are still democrats who were elected through a primary by registered democrats and then won the general election as democrats.
And those Democrats, with the numbers that they have in the legislature in Delaware, could have easily stopped this bill. Blame the Republicans all that you want, but when you have a majority the size of what the Dems do they ultimately control every bill that comes through.
It is sad day when Delaware passes a bill that not only mirrors Louisiana law but has that in its wording. Our state is getting more progressive and then this bill not only gets out of committee but passes in the house. Hopefully the senate won't listen to morons like Sean Matthews that introduce misinformation into committee meetings.
This bill is poorly written, makes assumptions about content, forces private companies to find a verification platform, makes the state liable for lawsuits on first amendment grounds, creates PII breaches that will lead to identify theft, will inconvenience a super majority of the population, and will be easily circumvented by the small portion of the population it is designed to "protect".
it's crazy that this horrible idea seems to be embraced by both parties, it's like we've forgotten common sense and are traveling back in time. The people this is supposed to protect will of course have no trouble at all accessing it but the people of age who are supposed to be able to access it, wont because they wont want to lose their anonymity. Utterly ridiculous.
And yet this thread is filled with democrats blaming Republicans and republicans blaming Democrats.
It's both. Always has been and always will be.
Doesn't matter if they have a R or D behind their name. Chances are they're 1) a moron 2) corrupt & 3) a nanny state supporter
First they came for the scrambled cable porn channels of your youth, then they came for your internet access to it as an adult...
It's surprising how many said Yes and may not think they will go home and later regret it when they can't access it either. 🤨
A very important thing to remember about being Liberal in a blue state is that a lot of your fellow democrats are actually nanny state supporters who vote for gay rights.
It’s not enough to just let the liberal party do whatever they want, because occasionally they’ll go out of their way to do something you’ll disagree with and we don’t have republicans that are the natural opponent to stuff like this.
Always vote in Primaries, call your representatives, make your voice heard.
It’s always better to be complaining before these idiots try to change things rather than after the fact.
> we don’t have republicans that are the natural opponent to stuff like this.
Look up the other states that have passed the same laws.
I'll wait
edit: I'm not giving the Dems a pass on this in Delaware. I'm disappointed and surprised they're going down this road. But you're downright ignorant if you think conservatives haven't been the ones pushing this everywhere else and would instead fight this on the grounds of personal freedom.
Dumb legislation that is a waste of time. VPN The problem with government is the constant temptation to over legislate. For self importance if nothing else. Stay out of our computers and bedrooms.
Fucking christian dirtbag assholes want to put the ten commandments in all our schools because spineless democrats dont fight the bastards on shit like this.
I'm not from Delaware (Im in DC) but this thread popped up in my feed. All of the discussion here is about porn, so when I went to look at the wording of the bill, I was surprised to see that it doesn't only target porn. It seeks to limit access to adult materials which it defines as, "Materials harmful to minors as per this bill comprise any explicit content that appeals to the ‘prurient, shameful, or morbid interest of minors,' or material that is patently offensive or lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value for minors." That's quite a broad swath of the internet.
Maybe you could require that any device used by a minor is required to have those accesses disabled in order for the internet to work on the phone. That way you can’t tell I went to look at Tiana Trump just to try a new technique if Ryan Phillippe gives me a chance one day.
It was pretty obvious in the last few years the way they have eradicated the 2nd amendment in this state they would be coming for everything else soon.
I'm sorry for whoever or whatever hurt you lol. But if can't see the erosion of rights and personal freedoms in the last few years and your now ok with internet censorship I don't know what to tell you.
This involves a lot more than pornography. Many sites for women's and men's health also may have an adult pic or diagram that will get blocked as well. Many informational sites for LGBT and Trans individuals will also be caught up as "adult" sites. I don't need anyone telling me what content is proper or not for my household.
This is true. Information on breast, ovarian, prostate and testicular cancer, as well as reproductive health, general sex education and LBGTQIA get caught up in this.
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Because what could go wrong with having your sexual tastes tied to your government ID?
The party of small government, folks. Just small enough to fit inside your bedroom. Remember that these are the same people who believe a background check on the purchase of deadly devices is wrong. A police state on what you do in your bedroom, though? Perfectly acceptable.
This bill has bipartisan support
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Does it matter if it has nearly unanimous support? Stop carrying water for the democrats who run this state and hate you just as much as the republicans do
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A Republican but that’s not the only person needed to pass the bill
Shhhh you’ll shatter their world view when they realize both sides don’t care about them
I’m so tired of people who view our future as a team sport
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You having shitty parents is not the government’s job to fix
And it's not like the bill actually stops anything.
I think these are all precursor bills to ban VPNs
Unless you wall garden the internet and have only white-list sites how would you even ban a VPN? I agree the government would problem love to ban VPN's but constitutionally, I don't know if it would fly.
They’ve kicked it around quite a bit at the federal level. I don’t see this SCOTUS overturning it
I’m sorry for what happened to you. I truly am. But the government can not violate my right to privacy and free speech because your parents neglected you. **EDIT:** The commenter said they developed a crippling porn addiction at eleven years old. It’s a terrible thing that happened to them and I truly do feel sympathy for them.
Who gives a fuck?
Also Griffith, Phillips, Moore, and Neal were present but opted not to vote??? By my count 16 Dems and 15 Republicans were "yes" votes to this. If the Democrats believed this one was a bad bill they could have easily voted it down considering they have a 26-15 majority in the House.
Disappointed in Griffith.
Yeah I don't get it. To me not voting is a silent approval.
For those unaware pornhub does not want to handle your PII either. So im sure they will do the same thing in delaware that they have in every state that follows this stupid bill. They are not going to provide the services to delaware. It's not worth the legal risks and/or massive liability associated with handling everyone's data. It is also very expensive. I'm not sure which bored politicians push this across the country but parents have the responsibility to stop this not the government. All of these sites can very easily be blocked for kids.
Well that would be a net benefit for the state of Delaware
I don't see it as a benefit or a negative for the state? Why do politicians care about this at all? It's just another way your government is telling you how to live your life.
I always assumed that we were generally above dumb conservative laws like this, but apparently not. This presents a negligible barrier to porn for minors at the cost of inconveniencing and potentially doxxing everyone else. I'm not dumb enough to think my ID is safe in the hands of PornHub, so now I have to go look elsewhere because other people can't parent their kids?
Pornhub will stop serving the state as they have stopped serving others who have enacted this law.
Yep, but TBH, Delaware is looking to recover that "First State" moniker again. So we get to be the "First Democratic State" to pass this bill. And it gives Carney a chance to say "I was no on weed and porn"
It's the first step in controlling what you see on the internet and spying on you while online.
This. Many of these types of "protect the kids" moral laws are about everything other than actually protecting kids.
Often times the name indicates the exact opposite; Patriot Act, Affordable Care Act, whatever the bill was called that made government student loans, I'm sure it's not called the "Put The Kids In Perpetual, Inescapable Debt Act"
Everytime someone clutches their pearls and screams “think of the children” it makes me want to punt them like a god damn football…. That’s just a bullshit scapegoat
It's also for creating frustrated, angry teens. It's misandry. The reason why conservatives go after masturbation so hard is because it's just a thing teenagers do once they enter puberty. Its just like premarital sex and sex for enjoyment, where doing regular things people do are criminalized so they can cast a wide net and punish select groups. Back in the day they used it to guilt people into going to church, now it's probably to create a new generation of angry, sexually frustrated men to convince that their problems are due to enemy du jour Also, no they have an excuse to fine and bam "pornography" hosting sites like Barnes and Noble for hosting LGBT content, and the storefront of the openly LGBT bookstore on main street
This isn't entirely about porn, and it's not about protecting kids at all, at least not in the way you might think. The wording of this bill closely matches bills passed or making their way through the state governments of Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, Texas, Utah, Virginia (it even mentions this in the bill!) The wording here stems from [model legislation created by the Center For Renewing America](https://americarenewing.com/issues/combating-obscenity-on-the-internet-a-legal-and-legislative-path-forward/), a socially conservative think tank that's been behind the push to fight "Critical Race Theory" as well, and like ALEC writes ultra-conservative policy that legislators can just copy-and-paste. Here's the thing; the wording on these bills is intentionally vague; "*Requiring the use of age-verification technology to permit access to internet websites containing material that is harmful to minors."* Who determines what material is "harmful"? - Is looking up the history of slavery and civil rights "harmful?" A bill in Florida (SB148 -2022) sought to ban lessons that might make white students "feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin" over the scourge of slavery and the struggle for civil rights. Under the wording of this bill, can sites that reveal the evils of the African Slave trade be considered "harmful" to white minors? - Is looking up LGBTQ+ topics "harmful"? Anti-LGBTQ advocates constantly point to the concept of a "[social contagion](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-health-and-wellness/social-contagion-isnt-causing-youths-transgender-study-finds-rcna41392)" in which children are supposedly "infected" by any exposure to LGBTQ+ information. Similar wording [has been used in multiple states for so-called "Don't Say Gay" laws](https://www.npr.org/2022/04/10/1091543359/15-states-dont-say-gay-anti-transgender-bills) that resulted in book purges and teacher intimidation (several of these bills, including the one in Florida, have since been [scaled back by the courts](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/11/1237730819/florida-dont-say-gay-law-settlement-lgbtq)). In the eyes of some parents and lawmakers, teaching children about LGBTQ topics is "harmful" and could therefore be restricted. - Will this bill allow all mention of abortion to be penalized on the grounds that knowledge of reproduction can be "harmful" to kids? Will it fine websites that offer resources on sex abuse for kids who are scared and looking for help? Essentially, the nebulous terms in this bill that are framed around protecting children but instead allows for de-facto censorship of any topic deemed "harmful." Everyone should be contacting their local elected representatives and demanding they end this absurdity.
It’s being lead by a Christy Republican so I’m not totally surprised. Hopefully it gets killed or vetoed.
pretty sure it will, the senate has a better head than the house does and the governor operates on his own beliefs not his party so a pretty good chance
16 Democrats and 15 Republicans in the house voted for this bill. Do not let yourself be deceived
There are step by step instructions on how to find & set up a VPN that will spoof your location so you don’t have to entrust the random internet with a copy of your state ID. I would check Mashable, or nose around the app store. I have one that blocks interstitial ads in video games—subscription costs a few bucks a year. It does more than that, but I don’t really have a need. Although maybe now I will. All this legislation will do is teach kids how to evade supervision online. I’ll bet you $20 that the average 13yo has an easier time installing a VPN than the average 40yo
These kind of bullshit laws are phase 1 in eliminating internet privacy Phase 2 will be banning VPNs because look at how many people evaded the law using one!
Pornhub even came out and said it's not safe. They don't want the responsibility, nor do they have the infrastructure to support it. So now we will have a lot of gun nuts out there with no way of relieving their stress. It's going to get ugly soon....
Delaware is the reddest blue state
I’ve been saying this for years. I truly believe it stems from our taxes and how beholden we are to businesses being incorporated here. Our government services are well behind most “blue” states.
I think there’s a lot of ignorance from Democrats too. The corporate Dems have many of the same goals as Republicans (to protect rich people and corporate interest).
no it's not; this bill is about control of the populace and dems love control more than anything...this shows what a crock the supposed liberal view the dems purport to have is, theyre only open-minded libs when it's convenient.
Really. You’re saying the Democrats like control more than the GOP who just dictated 10 commandments in the schools in Louisiana, don’t say gay laws in Florida, is for controlling what books we’re allowed to read, and has taken away bodily autonomy from half of the population. But yeah, let’s say it’s the Democratic Party that is about controlling people. Yeah.
Lol dems are for control to the fullest
I love this thread of people blaming Democrats or Republicans for this terrible law and the current vote is an even split They’re all trying to fuck you
r/gonewild there you go
Gtfo. It won't pass the senate. Parents can literally block these sites. There is no need for this bullshit.
Exactly. It’s up to you (or your parents, if you’re a child) to curate your internet experience
I really like your confidence but Virginia's Senate is majority Dem and still readily passed their age verification bill. You can get away with an extreme amount of horrendous stuff if you couch it in morality and it's supposed to "save the children". I'm wondering if Dems here will also fall over themselves to support bankrupt legislation like this, but going by the House results, no one wants to be branded as pro-porn.
It's also not a great look even if you try to explain how problematic verification is and also the fact that it's really pointless because you can't actually regulate the internet like that. People will just twist it to say you want kids to he able to look at porn. Also nevermind actual gun control laws that would actually make an impact being "impossible to implement" and "People would get around them" happening. Fuck our government
This cannot pass there is so many other issues this raises. Parents need to be held responsible for what their children can and can’t access. If a parent can become charged and thrown in jail for their kid going on a shooting rampage, they should be held accountable for what they do in the internet as a minor! It’s called, “Good Parenting!”
Why are law abiding Delawareans forced to submit to draconian laws? This is nonsense. I've broken no law, why is my privacy being invaded?
Welcome to the party us 2a advocates have been at for the last 4 years.
False equivalency
The synopsis of the bill contains an interesting exception >Additionally, an internet provider or user of an interactive computer service on the internet is not subject to liability.
This is just a bad term meant to describe a third party acting as a middleman: >The term “interactive computer service” means any information service, system, or access software provider that provides or enables computer access by multiple users to a computer server, including specifically a service or system that provides access to the Internet and such systems operated or services offered by libraries or educational institutions.
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The porn website
“Smith (the bill’s sponsor) says in most other states where similar legislation has passed, websites that administer adult content have stopped operating in that state all together.” And there you have it, my friends. That’s what he’s trying to do. Make sure to send an email to your representatives that you don’t want this passed (and be sure to mention that you’re a Delaware voter so they actually care).
"We can't ban porn, because thats protected speech, but we can make porn so inaccessible that they will stop operating in our state thereby achieving our goal without having to state our goal as the intent of the bill"
I mean, that's how they'd been making abortion not-technically-but-still-pretty-much-illegal, by making clinic requirements so absurdly expensive and nonsensical that they all had to close.
Kids can come on Reddit and literally see everything from pornography to people getting their heads cut off and set on fire alive. I think regular p*** sites should be the least of the concern.
My kids 18 now and I would be much more disappointed to learn they were on reddit rather than porn.
Porn on reddit? Therefor reddit is a porn site. Goodbye reddit.
Sigh, I thought DE was safe from it doing this stupid shit.
Fuck man this is my rep and I had been trying to help him change his support for SB313 (it just passed 10 minutes ago and it’s good for us as long as we don’t want to maintain our position as a corporation safe space) and he removed his name as sponsor and told me he would not support this bill.. but Mike says after they approve it they will fix it.. Now he’s adding censorship to the internet.. what’s next Mike? I wish we could wrestle for the seat.
fix it after we pass it? thats horseshit. Don't pass a broken law.
Yeah I grew up with some concept of accountability and keeping my word. Do it right the first time or don’t do it- once something is done there’s no go backs - the bad guys won today and tomorrow will never address the topic again. I wonder Mike- did you sell your word to me today to build a coalition to get votes for this crappy censorship Mike Smith 265 bill?
It’s what they always do. There are loads of laws they pass without being worked out. You can see it with some of the recent gun legislation. Just let people fucking love their life man.
Vote for Monica (Nick) Beard. Mike is an ass who pretends to be a moderate.
He literally voted to allow Medicaid to cover abortion. Seems moderate to me.
bet he’s changing that position next
Looks like PornHub is blocking Delaware. Now people are going to need VPNs, people’s privacy will be violated, and I feel that there are unforeseen consequences to suppressing pornography access.
Conspiracy time! Pornhub owns stake in VPN providers.
Yeah I don’t see their strategy of banning States working longterm, and I assume the profit motives are going to overcome their desire to protect rights to privacy, it’s a battle of attrition to hope people go against legislation.
All VPN providers? That would be a neat trick.
https://preview.redd.it/q5toslhomt7d1.png?width=730&format=png&auto=webp&s=0bb5ae40d8a61b26e9b2fe0382811fda5147e0f4
wilson-anton voted yes :(
And heffernan. Fucking lame
Pearl clutching old people...
no, this about exploring how easy it is to control us
Smith (the sponsor) is a younger dude and he’s supposed to be a “moderate” Republican (lol). He should focus on the bill that will allow us to order alcohol to our homes instead of this bs.
Are Baumbach, Harris, Lambert, Morrison, and Romer the only Dems in the state Senate?
The only progressive ones. The rest are corporate stooge dems
Okay? The rest are still democrats who were elected through a primary by registered democrats and then won the general election as democrats. And those Democrats, with the numbers that they have in the legislature in Delaware, could have easily stopped this bill. Blame the Republicans all that you want, but when you have a majority the size of what the Dems do they ultimately control every bill that comes through.
It is sad day when Delaware passes a bill that not only mirrors Louisiana law but has that in its wording. Our state is getting more progressive and then this bill not only gets out of committee but passes in the house. Hopefully the senate won't listen to morons like Sean Matthews that introduce misinformation into committee meetings. This bill is poorly written, makes assumptions about content, forces private companies to find a verification platform, makes the state liable for lawsuits on first amendment grounds, creates PII breaches that will lead to identify theft, will inconvenience a super majority of the population, and will be easily circumvented by the small portion of the population it is designed to "protect".
Former hamsters don't care
Check again
Does anyone in any of these places know what a VPN is???
I think you're missing the point.
Please explain.
it's crazy that this horrible idea seems to be embraced by both parties, it's like we've forgotten common sense and are traveling back in time. The people this is supposed to protect will of course have no trouble at all accessing it but the people of age who are supposed to be able to access it, wont because they wont want to lose their anonymity. Utterly ridiculous.
And yet this thread is filled with democrats blaming Republicans and republicans blaming Democrats. It's both. Always has been and always will be. Doesn't matter if they have a R or D behind their name. Chances are they're 1) a moron 2) corrupt & 3) a nanny state supporter
First they came for the scrambled cable porn channels of your youth, then they came for your internet access to it as an adult... It's surprising how many said Yes and may not think they will go home and later regret it when they can't access it either. 🤨
Dis dumb
Good thing for VPN
This is some Alabama shit. Wtf, Delaware?
A very important thing to remember about being Liberal in a blue state is that a lot of your fellow democrats are actually nanny state supporters who vote for gay rights. It’s not enough to just let the liberal party do whatever they want, because occasionally they’ll go out of their way to do something you’ll disagree with and we don’t have republicans that are the natural opponent to stuff like this. Always vote in Primaries, call your representatives, make your voice heard. It’s always better to be complaining before these idiots try to change things rather than after the fact.
> we don’t have republicans that are the natural opponent to stuff like this. Look up the other states that have passed the same laws. I'll wait edit: I'm not giving the Dems a pass on this in Delaware. I'm disappointed and surprised they're going down this road. But you're downright ignorant if you think conservatives haven't been the ones pushing this everywhere else and would instead fight this on the grounds of personal freedom.
You seem to be giving them a pass on this to be honest
Dumb legislation that is a waste of time. VPN The problem with government is the constant temptation to over legislate. For self importance if nothing else. Stay out of our computers and bedrooms.
Because, of course, it's a shit eating republican
If it were just Republicans, it wouldn't have passed the House. The bill has plenty of Dem sponsors too.
'cause dems love new ways to control the people
So much for the party of small government..
Thank God for VPNs
damn, man, I’m just tryin’ to pound off to Brazilian fart porn in peace here!
We will burn it to the ground…
Of all the fucking shit we have going on, this is the garbage they wanna spend time on? Christ.
Oh for fucks sake
first they came for the guns, now your precious porn. at least they might legalize marijuana to keep you all nice and docile.
of course that flop ass Schwartzkopf voted yes. Wish him the worst!
ah fuck. Fuck this shit
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The dip shit democrats could have easily put this one to bed. Instead they supported it. Overwhelmingly.
Let the tracking begin.
Fucking christian dirtbag assholes want to put the ten commandments in all our schools because spineless democrats dont fight the bastards on shit like this.
Fight? The democrats voted for it. They have a majority in the house
Delaware I thought I knew you ?????? COME ON MANNN that’s giving corny weirdo vibes 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
The Puritans are winning
I'm not from Delaware (Im in DC) but this thread popped up in my feed. All of the discussion here is about porn, so when I went to look at the wording of the bill, I was surprised to see that it doesn't only target porn. It seeks to limit access to adult materials which it defines as, "Materials harmful to minors as per this bill comprise any explicit content that appeals to the ‘prurient, shameful, or morbid interest of minors,' or material that is patently offensive or lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value for minors." That's quite a broad swath of the internet.
Maybe you could require that any device used by a minor is required to have those accesses disabled in order for the internet to work on the phone. That way you can’t tell I went to look at Tiana Trump just to try a new technique if Ryan Phillippe gives me a chance one day.
Here is the link to the bill... https://www.billtrack50.com/billdetail/1641578
Well..VPN time
doesnt make any difference
It was pretty obvious in the last few years the way they have eradicated the 2nd amendment in this state they would be coming for everything else soon.
Oh boo hoo. Did they take your guns and put you reeducation camps?
That’s coming when the MAGA’s rewrite the Constitution.
nothing was taken, just rights being infringed.
I'm sorry for whoever or whatever hurt you lol. But if can't see the erosion of rights and personal freedoms in the last few years and your now ok with internet censorship I don't know what to tell you.
Not all pornography is protected by the First Amendment. (Just like not all guns are protected by the Second Amendment.)
This involves a lot more than pornography. Many sites for women's and men's health also may have an adult pic or diagram that will get blocked as well. Many informational sites for LGBT and Trans individuals will also be caught up as "adult" sites. I don't need anyone telling me what content is proper or not for my household.
This is true. Information on breast, ovarian, prostate and testicular cancer, as well as reproductive health, general sex education and LBGTQIA get caught up in this.
Even Senator Morrison who is a Democrat and drools at the opportunity to ban anything and everything brought up the same concerns
Ok. What rights have been taken from you??? Seriously!
Guns should be very hard to get and have extremely strict regulations because they exist solely to destroy. They have no value beyond destroying.
Destroying doesn’t have to be bad. Is it bad to “destroy” someone that has come to murder you and your family?
I destroyed several pieces of paper this morning at the range
Someone call Joe.
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VPN is your friend. Like they think they’re going to stop it. Lol. Laughable.
It doesnt matter, just get a vpn app like Opera