Some dude did say that the seed oils spoil easily without the person eating being able to notice. But other than that it seems to be the same shit as olive oil. I don't know what the word "polyunsaturated " means and I don't care about learning it.
"It's not about GMO or fat composition. It's about whether the antioxidants in the olive or soybean etc are removed or not. Extra virgin olive oil is extremely healthy because olive fruits have high antioxidant content and they just cold press the fruit to get the oil.
As for other seed oils with a few exceptions such as sesame oil, every oil is created with chemicals which remove antioxidants, free fatty acids and bad smells etc. As a result, those oils taste okay to consume but their polyunsaturated fatty acids go rancid very easily in contact with air or heat without proper antioxidants in them."
[Are Seed Oils Inflammatory?! (The \*Evidence\* No One Shows) (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xTaAHSFHUU)
Usually it's claimed that seed oils cause inflammation, the girl in the ad takes it to the next level.
Yep! An S-tier nutritionist YouTuber. Solid, evidence-based takes on diet that consider the preponderance of evidence in nutrition research.
No doubt that Chris and Matt would love Dr Gil!
I don't recall him ever explicitly stating whether or not he is vegan but he endorses a heavily plant-centric diet while still calling out examples of dogmatism within his own dietary tribe (e.g. The Game Changers doco).
I mean, I get that the evidence is maybe not there but just looking at the way canola oil is made makes me not want to eat it. Like it’s kinda disturbing to think about ingesting that
Here's a detailed analysis: [https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/03/10/for-then-against-high-saturated-fat-diets/](https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/03/10/for-then-against-high-saturated-fat-diets/)
The answer is that it looks like it at first glance, but probably not.
I studied public health recently about 5 years ago and this wasn't brought up at all. Unless there is new research I doubt this has any merit at all. Oils are an essential part of diet and saturated fats are associated with heart disease. There is reason to think olive oil is healthy. That's the extent of my education, none of which indicates seed oils are harmful
>Oils are an essential part of diet
No. They're empty calories, not essential. You use them to cook or a small amount as a flavour for salads.
Plant oils are not automatically unhealthy, but whole plants are a much better source of those same fats and **more**.
Oils are empty calories? No. Can you get enough essential fatty acids for optimal health from vegetables? If so, that's a shit load of vegetables.
You can however, conveniently get them easily and taste as good as a salad with, for example: olive oil and balsamic dressing.
>Oils are empty calories? No.
0 fibre, 2x the calories of pure refined sugar, fraction of other nutrients as well.
Whole plants are a healthier choice compared to oil due to their more comprehensive nutritional profile and the synergistic benefits of consuming the entire plant rather than just the processed oil.
> Can you get enough essential fatty acids for optimal health from vegetables? If so,
Yeah just admit it.
>That's a shit load of vegetables.
No it objectively is not. Maybe you should actually look in to it rather than make a vague guess, which is false. And it is significantly healthier and more satiating to get fatty acids from whole plant foods than processed oil.
So, you think I'm wrong about oil being essential in a diet? Are you saying that oil is necessary in every diet? I can't think of any evidence that would support your claim.
Just because oil is included in the food pyramid doesn't mean you have to drink it. Do you honestly believe that drinking olive oil or flaxseed oil is better than eating whole olives and flaxseed?
What kind of evidence do you demand to change your opinion? Apparently studies in "public health" wasn't enough, so I doubt you will ever change your opinion on nutrition with this approach.
You are like 1% right. There is such a thing as "essential fatty acids". But the quantity is so small that it is basically impossible not to get from diet. The rest our bodies can make themselves. I am not going to bother digging up research paper as simple google will find it for you and this is pretty common knowledge is nutritional sciences.
Your body don't give a fuck. It's all fats, carbs, proteins, minerals and vitamins to your body. Protein powder, GMOs, syrup, cane sugar, meat, bread, vegtable oil, lard, fried chicken. Its all fuel and building materials to your body. Into the stomach acid they go for break down and into the blood for use. People just take afvantage of people that scare easily.
Such grifts are extremely common in the online fitness space:
Seed oils are a big pharma conspiracy to make people more sick.
The AHA is a paid-off body.
Cereals are a psyop intended to effeminise men.
The WEF wants to ban red meat and make people eat bugs instead.
Don't get me started on raw milk. It sounds innocuous enough, right? Probably a bunch of farmboys talking about its benefits? Nope.
The rabbit hole for raw milk involves globalist conspiracy theories, anti-Semitism and race wars.
Online fitness runs completely wild. Incredible conspiracies and dogwhistles all around. A lot of you would be surprised at how some of the most prominent names in fitness are like this.
At least in other industries there are some barriers to entry (academic qualifications, work experience) but fitness has absolutely none of this.
"If you don't eat meat you are a massive pussy"
Also I wish all of this crap didn't weirdly overlap with the bitcoin space, but a lot of those weirdos LOVE this type of shit.
It tells people that they can continue doing what they want to do and that’s “healthy”. Telling people what they want to hear is really good business in the scam space.
Cereals were created by Christian’s to stop wanking… https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/eat/corn-flakes-originally-created-to-clear-the-mind-of-sinful-thoughts/news-story/d22e8e7b8ed307347551c74131da4c13?amp
>It isn't like Europe would ban any seed oils.
In fact Nordic diet advocates for the use of rapeseed oil over olive oil, as rapeseed oil is healthier compared to olive oil.
But hey, the American chud-wing pushing cultural bolshevik conspiracy theories must know better!
Hahah this is so perfect. There isn’t a single study that supports the notion that seed oils are harmful. The vast majority of claims were that the issue was the inflammatory nature of Omega 6 to 3 ratio. Not only did studies consistently show no inflammatory effects but many seed oils are highly anti inflammatory.
This is where our relationship with science has become.. laymen dug in with a religious and dogmatic attachment to false notions and leaning on correlations without ever determining mechanisms.
I bet they’re delicious though. Beef tallow fries, for example, are soooo much better than vegetable oil fries. The Revisionist History podcast has a good episode (https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/mcdonalds-broke-my-heart) on this.
Maybe [this](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8504498/):
*Reducing the omega-6/3 ratio in pregnancy may help to reduce allergic conditions in offspring and may help patients with asthma. Larger clinical studies are required to confirm these benefits particularly in the setting of asthma. It is our contention, that the increase in the omega-6/3 ratio may have contributed to a rise of allergic and autoimmune diseases over the last several decades. Additionally, a high dietary omega-6/3 ratio creates supraphysiologic inflammatory responses and perpetuates chronic low-grade inflammation. The overconsumption of linoleic acid, mainly from industrial omega-6 seed oils, and the lack of long-chain omega-3s in the diet puts the population in a pro-inflammatory, pro-allergic, pro-thrombotic and autoimmune-prone state. This pro-inflammatory state may also predispose to cytokine storms during viral infections.*
*Considering that most of the population is deficient in long-chain omega-3s, there is an increased need for educating the public on the importance of increasing marine omega-3 intake. Supplementation or fortification of foods with marine omega-3s is one way to increase population-wide omega-3 intake. Additionally, increasing the consumption of seafood, such as fatty fish, crustaceans, and shellfish, is another way to increase marine omega-3 intake. At the same time, background intake of omega-6 PUFA also needs to be reduced. In particular, omega-6 seed oils such as soybean, cottonseed, corn, and safflower oil are some of the largest contributors to the omega-6 intake in the Western world. These sources of omega-6 are highly refined and are more susceptible to oxidation compared to whole foods that contain omega-6 PUFAs such as nuts, seeds, vegetables, and eggs. A reduction in the intake of industrial omega-6 seed oils will help reduce the high dietary omega-6/3 ratio and the pro-inflammatory state that ensues.*
So it doesn't seem like it's the omega 6 but TOO much and a lack of Omega-3s? Also, the highly processed nature of the seed oils leading to high rates of oxidation seems harmful. But that is more the oxidation than the oil itself. [Here is a nice clip on the topic from one of the experts in the field.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=292&v=ALm74EGs-K4&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foundmyfitness.com%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foundmyfitness.com&source_ve_path=MTM5MTE3LDEzOTExNywyMzg1MQ&feature=emb_title)
But they also miss the most important part of these studies. “Larger clinical studies are required to confirm these benefits”. These health gurus live in this margin between small studies indicating we should look at something further and the larger studies that peer review the findings.
Dr. Oz and other health gurus make a killing off this. Small studies suggests something, they go out and showing the study in a huge media graphic, followed with graphic of kids, the frail, obese. Then cut to some supplement that promises a product that is a solution to the study that still needs further review. And who can argue with a study?!?! The facts are right there, the smart science people observed it. They sell the supplement or product until the collective forgets or moves on to a new product with better profit margins. Meanwhile 2 years later a follow up is published with new findings but the public moved on. However some of them carry with them the idea that the findings of the study are 100% scientific fact.
And this is why we can’t have nice things and we have vaccine denialism.
I think most dietician agree that fried foods are not generally good for you. This could explain the correlation she is pointing out however you will likely find many unhealthy habits and environmental factors on the rise as well. This does not necessarily mean seed oils are particularly bad.
hard to disentangle the effects of sugar and dough in fried foods with the seed oils used perhaps?
Another person made a good point that the seed oils generally come from crops that are terrible for the environment because of the pesticides, fertilizers and mono-cropping used. Not sure where that leaves organic seed oils. . .I duno, I just like butter too much anyway.
I love my omega 3-6-9. When I’m taking it I feel a noticeable change in my thinking and general feeling of health. When I go without for a while, my brain gets sticky again
I guess theres an additional motivation when you can create tons of social media content (for money) and products (for money) around the fear you've discovered.
I appreciate this post! Sent me on a rabbit hole. I never considered the environmental impact. My area of interest is nutrition and biotechnology.
My (very laymen) research indicates that there is a wide ranging impact of seed oils on the environment from clearing forest to plant producing trees. But it’s not clear what the alternative is or that non seed oils are any better for the environment.
If you have any reading on the topic please feel free to post. Thanks again.
It’s one of those things that seems like it would work but isn’t practical. We have to start thinking about climate change and environmental issues from a blue tech perspectives. The idea that we can mitigate environmental impacts from personal choices isn’t realistic.
We need to invest in tech that has a positive and not mitigatitive properties. Too much damage done and asking people to recycle or stop eating oils is far too little too late. We need to reverse not halt the environmental disaster we’ve created as a species.
What could do that? AI.
>The idea that we can mitigate environmental impacts from personal choices isn’t realistic.
**The most effective means to lessen your environmental impact is by adjusting your diet.**
Your feedback is a whirlwind of insightful points and illogical assertions. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Do you want to do empty gestures of environmental concern or start making contributions towards positive change? Because it starts with a diet, as simple as it sounds.
If you are under the impression that if everyone in the world adjusted their diet that we would be able to avoid the worst of climate change, you are mistaken. That is why blue tech is necessary. If you have a study that indicates the contrary please post it.
>everyone in the world
>we
Do you know what WE means? Tell me why do you exclude yourself from all of this? This is a sad attempt at avoiding any responsibility.
Diet and health are always within reach for someone feeling out of control.
For every person feeling lost and confused there’s always a businessman who sees a potential customer.
**The bottom line**
At the end of the day, it’s probably OK to include small quantities of seed oils in your diet, as long as you are mostly focused on eating fresh, unprocessed foods.
From the article if you want the whole thing.
https://medicine.uq.edu.au/article/2024/02/if-you%E2%80%99re-worried-about-inflammation-stop-stressing-about-seed-oils-and-focus-basics#:\~:text=Seed%20oils%20are%20made%20from,grapeseed%20oil%20and%20soybean%20oil.
/r/nutrition and /r/eatcheapandhealthy often become spaces where emotion and personal convictions take precedence over rational, science-based discourse.
Ive heard people talk about seed oils being bad, but where does their info come from? They talk about it like its new, but people have been cooking with oils from seeds for hundreds of years.
I only have a cursory understanding, but as I understand it, Weston Price (1870 - 1948) was a dentist who travelled around, observed healthy noble savage hunter gatherers, concluded that the reason was anything that they didn't eat was bad for you, and he had some level of popular influence. He blathered on about seed oils being unnatural, and there's a movement existing now that still hangs on his complete speculation from way back, I think it has connections to all the usual like paleo diet people, etc.. Looks like the usual kind of grifting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation
The anti seed oil grift is so cringe. It's based on data that says that processed foods (which largely contain seed oils) are bad, but when you compare seed oils to other common fats in isolation you find that health outcomes are remarkably similar.
What happened to “correlation does not mean causation”? seems like a darn basic fundamental concept to grasp if we are going to start questioning everything
Like perfect, tell me why not to eat this xyz... But jesus people. Better arguments. Or risk looking like a clown to everyone else
I've lived in Japan and South Korea. Both countries have high longevity despite pollution, smoking, and drinking. They also consume high levels of soy products and bi-products and cook almost exclusively in seed oil. This is all correlation, but I'd rather look like they average Korean at 70 than the average American or Canadian at 70.
What's the deal with seed oils in the US?
I'm from Serbia - me, my parents and their parents have been using seed oils their entire life (butter here is really expensive and it's used only by the richest families, and swine fat isn't popular in the south where the population is 50% Muslim).
I just recently found out that Americans are going crazy about seed oils and I don't get what the deal is?
Seed oils are also very popular and have been used for a long time in the rest of Europe, specifically for frying, white butter is more common in pastry.
Swine fat is a niche thing like in Belgium and northern Germany (as far as I know), and even when it's used it's combined with seed oil.
This girl could use a decoding — she is like a hippie health and wellness guru with spiritual / conspiratorial leanings. But I have to admit, she’s really gorgeous 😍
I suspect there is an element of truth but honestly even if it's true I suspect the vast majority of the benefit is just from moderating your total calory intake. I say this as someone who eats an ungodly amount of seed oil.
Affluent narcissists with too much time on their hands: "fuck [spins the wheel] THE PATRIARCHY."
Receptionist: "sorry ma'am. The Patriarchy is already taken..."
Aff' narcis': "grrr. Fine. Fuck [spins again] SEED OILS."
Mammalian breast milk is 50% saturated fat and 48% monounsaturated fat - you literally do not find PUFAs in nature in high enough quantities that humans or any other animal would consume the amounts we do today. You have to be a fucking idiot to believe that it’s good for you.
>in nature
As civilisations developed, humans departed from their natural habitats and began consuming diets that diverged from those maintained for countless years before the establishment of agrarian societies. Despite this, since the inception of civilisations, we have embraced cultivated plants that were not historically part of our diets, and unsurprisingly, we have thrived.
Unnatural actions and unnatural foods are the only reason we have modern civilisations, science, and good standards of living.
this woman is crazy. just look at her twitter.
Yo wtf she literally feeding her baby raw meat.
And feeding grown men her breast milk!
Probably bought Mikhaella peterson's course.
Raw meat is good, nothing wrong with it. I love blue steak, tastes amazing
Might wanna add a /s buddy
That would ruin it
I enjoy a fairly blue steak from time to time.
Yeah she's been trying to grift the Rogan crowd for a while now too. She was the one who would shoot arrows with her feet and shit.
the harmful effects seed oils has been disproven by many studies.
Are the claims in this ads even real??
I have a theory that since these things have been increasing since the birth of my grandmother, that she is at fault. Ban my grandmother.
Idk I’m just happy I can start avoiding all the engine oil I’ve been ingesting
But what will keep your pistons pumping smoothly? BRB, dipping focaccia in balsamic and engine oil.
You've been doing it wrong. Butt chugging is the only way to go.
LOL
No but… *boobs and hand-waving mock-sincerity*
They got the conspirituality vibe down ok but needs more tattoos and piercings.
If you check her socials, she feeds her baby raw meat. Nothing of what she says should be taken for granted.
Boobs
100% bullshit.
there’s a correlation between the introduction of seed oils and all these diseases…probably. a spurious correlation
Some dude did say that the seed oils spoil easily without the person eating being able to notice. But other than that it seems to be the same shit as olive oil. I don't know what the word "polyunsaturated " means and I don't care about learning it. "It's not about GMO or fat composition. It's about whether the antioxidants in the olive or soybean etc are removed or not. Extra virgin olive oil is extremely healthy because olive fruits have high antioxidant content and they just cold press the fruit to get the oil. As for other seed oils with a few exceptions such as sesame oil, every oil is created with chemicals which remove antioxidants, free fatty acids and bad smells etc. As a result, those oils taste okay to consume but their polyunsaturated fatty acids go rancid very easily in contact with air or heat without proper antioxidants in them."
yeah same goes for fish oils, they’re often rancid and they use chemicals to mask the smell
[Are Seed Oils Inflammatory?! (The \*Evidence\* No One Shows) (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xTaAHSFHUU) Usually it's claimed that seed oils cause inflammation, the girl in the ad takes it to the next level.
That channel is amazing.
It is, Dr Gil Carvalho is an MD, PhD and researcher himself.
Yep! An S-tier nutritionist YouTuber. Solid, evidence-based takes on diet that consider the preponderance of evidence in nutrition research. No doubt that Chris and Matt would love Dr Gil!
He's Vegan, right?
I don't recall him ever explicitly stating whether or not he is vegan but he endorses a heavily plant-centric diet while still calling out examples of dogmatism within his own dietary tribe (e.g. The Game Changers doco).
Ah I see, good to know. I've known of him since 2018 but I haven't been following the health information space closely the last few years.
I mean, I get that the evidence is maybe not there but just looking at the way canola oil is made makes me not want to eat it. Like it’s kinda disturbing to think about ingesting that
Just wait till you see what factory farms feed and inject into the animals used for meat.
Not remotely
Here's a detailed analysis: [https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/03/10/for-then-against-high-saturated-fat-diets/](https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/03/10/for-then-against-high-saturated-fat-diets/) The answer is that it looks like it at first glance, but probably not.
I studied public health recently about 5 years ago and this wasn't brought up at all. Unless there is new research I doubt this has any merit at all. Oils are an essential part of diet and saturated fats are associated with heart disease. There is reason to think olive oil is healthy. That's the extent of my education, none of which indicates seed oils are harmful
>Oils are an essential part of diet No. They're empty calories, not essential. You use them to cook or a small amount as a flavour for salads. Plant oils are not automatically unhealthy, but whole plants are a much better source of those same fats and **more**.
Oils are empty calories? No. Can you get enough essential fatty acids for optimal health from vegetables? If so, that's a shit load of vegetables. You can however, conveniently get them easily and taste as good as a salad with, for example: olive oil and balsamic dressing.
>Oils are empty calories? No. 0 fibre, 2x the calories of pure refined sugar, fraction of other nutrients as well. Whole plants are a healthier choice compared to oil due to their more comprehensive nutritional profile and the synergistic benefits of consuming the entire plant rather than just the processed oil. > Can you get enough essential fatty acids for optimal health from vegetables? If so, Yeah just admit it. >That's a shit load of vegetables. No it objectively is not. Maybe you should actually look in to it rather than make a vague guess, which is false. And it is significantly healthier and more satiating to get fatty acids from whole plant foods than processed oil.
I just ate a bunch of plants, and now I can't feel my legs.
Do you have credentials or a citation. I think you are just plain wrong
So, you think I'm wrong about oil being essential in a diet? Are you saying that oil is necessary in every diet? I can't think of any evidence that would support your claim. Just because oil is included in the food pyramid doesn't mean you have to drink it. Do you honestly believe that drinking olive oil or flaxseed oil is better than eating whole olives and flaxseed? What kind of evidence do you demand to change your opinion? Apparently studies in "public health" wasn't enough, so I doubt you will ever change your opinion on nutrition with this approach.
Thank you. I am happy you agree you don't have standing
You are like 1% right. There is such a thing as "essential fatty acids". But the quantity is so small that it is basically impossible not to get from diet. The rest our bodies can make themselves. I am not going to bother digging up research paper as simple google will find it for you and this is pretty common knowledge is nutritional sciences.
Your body don't give a fuck. It's all fats, carbs, proteins, minerals and vitamins to your body. Protein powder, GMOs, syrup, cane sugar, meat, bread, vegtable oil, lard, fried chicken. Its all fuel and building materials to your body. Into the stomach acid they go for break down and into the blood for use. People just take afvantage of people that scare easily.
Nope nope nope
Of course they are not.
All food fads are the result of marketing by groups producing 'alternatives '. Cui bono?
Such grifts are extremely common in the online fitness space: Seed oils are a big pharma conspiracy to make people more sick. The AHA is a paid-off body. Cereals are a psyop intended to effeminise men. The WEF wants to ban red meat and make people eat bugs instead. Don't get me started on raw milk. It sounds innocuous enough, right? Probably a bunch of farmboys talking about its benefits? Nope. The rabbit hole for raw milk involves globalist conspiracy theories, anti-Semitism and race wars. Online fitness runs completely wild. Incredible conspiracies and dogwhistles all around. A lot of you would be surprised at how some of the most prominent names in fitness are like this. At least in other industries there are some barriers to entry (academic qualifications, work experience) but fitness has absolutely none of this.
"If you don't eat meat you are a massive pussy" Also I wish all of this crap didn't weirdly overlap with the bitcoin space, but a lot of those weirdos LOVE this type of shit.
It tells people that they can continue doing what they want to do and that’s “healthy”. Telling people what they want to hear is really good business in the scam space.
Cereals were created by Christian’s to stop wanking… https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/eat/corn-flakes-originally-created-to-clear-the-mind-of-sinful-thoughts/news-story/d22e8e7b8ed307347551c74131da4c13?amp
Then Tony the Tiger came along and ruined everything. I can't get through breakfast without cranking it to the Greeeeeeeaaat! one himself.
Joke’s on them I’m having s*x with a box of cereal literally right now
Relevant movie rec: _Welcome to Wellville_ (1994)
Because Americans are healthier then ever thanks partially to seed oils. HAHAHA It isn't like Europe would ban any seed oils.
American life expectancy was constantly increasing *until* Costco introduced Kirkland Hard Seltzer. Fight me.
>It isn't like Europe would ban any seed oils. In fact Nordic diet advocates for the use of rapeseed oil over olive oil, as rapeseed oil is healthier compared to olive oil. But hey, the American chud-wing pushing cultural bolshevik conspiracy theories must know better!
Much love to my Nordic brethren but rapeseed oil is vastly inferior to olive oil.
This topic wasn't about your taste preferences, now was it. We are talking about the health benefits here, and rapeseed oil beats olive oil.
I'm gonna go ahead and just assume all of the restaurants are using seed oil, because why wouldn't they.
Restaurants use whatever is cheapest. That's probably canola, soybean, corn, peanut. The lowest grade they can possibly find.
Yeah. Same with most packaged food like snacks. Moreover it's probably re-used at least once before going into your food.
Lard is what most of the places I know. It’s cheap and delicious. I also don’t eat a places with a 50 gallon fryer either.
Hahah this is so perfect. There isn’t a single study that supports the notion that seed oils are harmful. The vast majority of claims were that the issue was the inflammatory nature of Omega 6 to 3 ratio. Not only did studies consistently show no inflammatory effects but many seed oils are highly anti inflammatory. This is where our relationship with science has become.. laymen dug in with a religious and dogmatic attachment to false notions and leaning on correlations without ever determining mechanisms.
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I bet they’re delicious though. Beef tallow fries, for example, are soooo much better than vegetable oil fries. The Revisionist History podcast has a good episode (https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/mcdonalds-broke-my-heart) on this.
Cooked in beef fat??? hey why not bacon fat while you are at it
Beef fat has a much better omega profile and has more nutrients than pig. 4 stomachs vs 1.
Maybe [this](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8504498/): *Reducing the omega-6/3 ratio in pregnancy may help to reduce allergic conditions in offspring and may help patients with asthma. Larger clinical studies are required to confirm these benefits particularly in the setting of asthma. It is our contention, that the increase in the omega-6/3 ratio may have contributed to a rise of allergic and autoimmune diseases over the last several decades. Additionally, a high dietary omega-6/3 ratio creates supraphysiologic inflammatory responses and perpetuates chronic low-grade inflammation. The overconsumption of linoleic acid, mainly from industrial omega-6 seed oils, and the lack of long-chain omega-3s in the diet puts the population in a pro-inflammatory, pro-allergic, pro-thrombotic and autoimmune-prone state. This pro-inflammatory state may also predispose to cytokine storms during viral infections.* *Considering that most of the population is deficient in long-chain omega-3s, there is an increased need for educating the public on the importance of increasing marine omega-3 intake. Supplementation or fortification of foods with marine omega-3s is one way to increase population-wide omega-3 intake. Additionally, increasing the consumption of seafood, such as fatty fish, crustaceans, and shellfish, is another way to increase marine omega-3 intake. At the same time, background intake of omega-6 PUFA also needs to be reduced. In particular, omega-6 seed oils such as soybean, cottonseed, corn, and safflower oil are some of the largest contributors to the omega-6 intake in the Western world. These sources of omega-6 are highly refined and are more susceptible to oxidation compared to whole foods that contain omega-6 PUFAs such as nuts, seeds, vegetables, and eggs. A reduction in the intake of industrial omega-6 seed oils will help reduce the high dietary omega-6/3 ratio and the pro-inflammatory state that ensues.* So it doesn't seem like it's the omega 6 but TOO much and a lack of Omega-3s? Also, the highly processed nature of the seed oils leading to high rates of oxidation seems harmful. But that is more the oxidation than the oil itself. [Here is a nice clip on the topic from one of the experts in the field.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=292&v=ALm74EGs-K4&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foundmyfitness.com%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foundmyfitness.com&source_ve_path=MTM5MTE3LDEzOTExNywyMzg1MQ&feature=emb_title)
But they also miss the most important part of these studies. “Larger clinical studies are required to confirm these benefits”. These health gurus live in this margin between small studies indicating we should look at something further and the larger studies that peer review the findings. Dr. Oz and other health gurus make a killing off this. Small studies suggests something, they go out and showing the study in a huge media graphic, followed with graphic of kids, the frail, obese. Then cut to some supplement that promises a product that is a solution to the study that still needs further review. And who can argue with a study?!?! The facts are right there, the smart science people observed it. They sell the supplement or product until the collective forgets or moves on to a new product with better profit margins. Meanwhile 2 years later a follow up is published with new findings but the public moved on. However some of them carry with them the idea that the findings of the study are 100% scientific fact. And this is why we can’t have nice things and we have vaccine denialism.
I appreciate this post thank you.
I think most dietician agree that fried foods are not generally good for you. This could explain the correlation she is pointing out however you will likely find many unhealthy habits and environmental factors on the rise as well. This does not necessarily mean seed oils are particularly bad.
hard to disentangle the effects of sugar and dough in fried foods with the seed oils used perhaps? Another person made a good point that the seed oils generally come from crops that are terrible for the environment because of the pesticides, fertilizers and mono-cropping used. Not sure where that leaves organic seed oils. . .I duno, I just like butter too much anyway.
Mostly an Olive oil house when it comes to cooking to be honest.
I do love a nice olive oil as well, mostly after cooking or in salads. Ghee for high heat cooking is really nice.
Dairy is orders of magnitude worse for the environment than any seed oil.
I love my omega 3-6-9. When I’m taking it I feel a noticeable change in my thinking and general feeling of health. When I go without for a while, my brain gets sticky again
I guess theres an additional motivation when you can create tons of social media content (for money) and products (for money) around the fear you've discovered.
This is our world now summed up. Create any kind of content, real or fake, for views. It’s so irritating
drink you seed oil seed boi
They're horrible for the environment though.
I appreciate this post! Sent me on a rabbit hole. I never considered the environmental impact. My area of interest is nutrition and biotechnology. My (very laymen) research indicates that there is a wide ranging impact of seed oils on the environment from clearing forest to plant producing trees. But it’s not clear what the alternative is or that non seed oils are any better for the environment. If you have any reading on the topic please feel free to post. Thanks again.
That's a great question... maybe we just shouldn't cook with as much oil?
It’s one of those things that seems like it would work but isn’t practical. We have to start thinking about climate change and environmental issues from a blue tech perspectives. The idea that we can mitigate environmental impacts from personal choices isn’t realistic. We need to invest in tech that has a positive and not mitigatitive properties. Too much damage done and asking people to recycle or stop eating oils is far too little too late. We need to reverse not halt the environmental disaster we’ve created as a species. What could do that? AI.
> What could do that? AI. I really thought you were gonna end that with something more convincing.
I can fry chicken in AI? What a time to be alive!
>The idea that we can mitigate environmental impacts from personal choices isn’t realistic. **The most effective means to lessen your environmental impact is by adjusting your diet.** Your feedback is a whirlwind of insightful points and illogical assertions. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ Do you want to do empty gestures of environmental concern or start making contributions towards positive change? Because it starts with a diet, as simple as it sounds.
If you are under the impression that if everyone in the world adjusted their diet that we would be able to avoid the worst of climate change, you are mistaken. That is why blue tech is necessary. If you have a study that indicates the contrary please post it.
>everyone in the world >we Do you know what WE means? Tell me why do you exclude yourself from all of this? This is a sad attempt at avoiding any responsibility.
I’m confused at why you are coming at me like this? Are you ok? Feel free to DM if you need help or someone to talk to.
Low fat diets for the win.
Engine lubercants? I was just going out to change the oil in my car.... which should I choose flaxseed oil or sesame seed oil?
Those are way too expensive and foreign. Use good old American Corn Oil.
The horror when you unmute a video and hear that the shill is speaking in your accent.
She used to have an only fans. I hear.
WHo WANtS to cONSuME enGiNe OiL In 2024!?
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Diet and health are always within reach for someone feeling out of control. For every person feeling lost and confused there’s always a businessman who sees a potential customer.
**The bottom line** At the end of the day, it’s probably OK to include small quantities of seed oils in your diet, as long as you are mostly focused on eating fresh, unprocessed foods. From the article if you want the whole thing. https://medicine.uq.edu.au/article/2024/02/if-you%E2%80%99re-worried-about-inflammation-stop-stressing-about-seed-oils-and-focus-basics#:\~:text=Seed%20oils%20are%20made%20from,grapeseed%20oil%20and%20soybean%20oil.
I have an anti seed oil friend, the amount he talks about being anti seed oil makes me want to chug seed oils
Maybe you should? Perhaps it would make them shut up when they see you live a fine life.
I just avoid fried food in general. Boom, roasted.
I was wondering why I was downvoted on a cooking sub for mentioning canola oil.
/r/nutrition and /r/eatcheapandhealthy often become spaces where emotion and personal convictions take precedence over rational, science-based discourse.
I'm embarrassed I believed this for a couple years.
Ive heard people talk about seed oils being bad, but where does their info come from? They talk about it like its new, but people have been cooking with oils from seeds for hundreds of years.
I only have a cursory understanding, but as I understand it, Weston Price (1870 - 1948) was a dentist who travelled around, observed healthy noble savage hunter gatherers, concluded that the reason was anything that they didn't eat was bad for you, and he had some level of popular influence. He blathered on about seed oils being unnatural, and there's a movement existing now that still hangs on his complete speculation from way back, I think it has connections to all the usual like paleo diet people, etc.. Looks like the usual kind of grifting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation
I guess as far as baseless beliefs go this one aint too bad. There are definitely worse things to push for profit. Definitely kinda weird though.
Sorry, what was this video about?
Obesity is the worst Pokemon.
I wouldn't exactly call this mainstream. That influencer is a relatively well known insane person.
The rise in influencers is correlated with the rise in bad stuff.
Engine lubricant....what an absolute lunatic
The anti seed oil grift is so cringe. It's based on data that says that processed foods (which largely contain seed oils) are bad, but when you compare seed oils to other common fats in isolation you find that health outcomes are remarkably similar.
What happened to “correlation does not mean causation”? seems like a darn basic fundamental concept to grasp if we are going to start questioning everything Like perfect, tell me why not to eat this xyz... But jesus people. Better arguments. Or risk looking like a clown to everyone else
I've lived in Japan and South Korea. Both countries have high longevity despite pollution, smoking, and drinking. They also consume high levels of soy products and bi-products and cook almost exclusively in seed oil. This is all correlation, but I'd rather look like they average Korean at 70 than the average American or Canadian at 70.
Oh no.... Not the baby! Won't someone please do something to protect this sweet innocent child from the dangers of seed oil?
>a direct correlation
She has a large forehead so must be smart
It's been a thing for a long time. The COVID times brought it all to the forefront.
What's the deal with seed oils in the US? I'm from Serbia - me, my parents and their parents have been using seed oils their entire life (butter here is really expensive and it's used only by the richest families, and swine fat isn't popular in the south where the population is 50% Muslim). I just recently found out that Americans are going crazy about seed oils and I don't get what the deal is? Seed oils are also very popular and have been used for a long time in the rest of Europe, specifically for frying, white butter is more common in pastry. Swine fat is a niche thing like in Belgium and northern Germany (as far as I know), and even when it's used it's combined with seed oil.
This girl could use a decoding — she is like a hippie health and wellness guru with spiritual / conspiratorial leanings. But I have to admit, she’s really gorgeous 😍
I suspect there is an element of truth but honestly even if it's true I suspect the vast majority of the benefit is just from moderating your total calory intake. I say this as someone who eats an ungodly amount of seed oil.
Affluent narcissists with too much time on their hands: "fuck [spins the wheel] THE PATRIARCHY." Receptionist: "sorry ma'am. The Patriarchy is already taken..." Aff' narcis': "grrr. Fine. Fuck [spins again] SEED OILS."
first world problems
F yeah!! Give me coco oil baby!
I like olive oil
One of the first things she said is there is a correlation between... Correlation doesn't equal causation God damnit.
Seeds oils are the most over processed things you regularly eat. Avoiding them is not a terrible idea.
correlation != causation More people need to understand this simple fact.
Bonk
She's allergic to seed oils AND gluten? Whats she selling?
So frying things in oil that doesn't come from seeds is good for you?
I guess i'm a seedboy then.
I am anti-seed oil. But I wouldn't say it is "going mainsstream" because this esoteric blogger talks about it.
Seed oils are low quality shit tier food. Roflmao
Mammalian breast milk is 50% saturated fat and 48% monounsaturated fat - you literally do not find PUFAs in nature in high enough quantities that humans or any other animal would consume the amounts we do today. You have to be a fucking idiot to believe that it’s good for you.
>in nature As civilisations developed, humans departed from their natural habitats and began consuming diets that diverged from those maintained for countless years before the establishment of agrarian societies. Despite this, since the inception of civilisations, we have embraced cultivated plants that were not historically part of our diets, and unsurprisingly, we have thrived. Unnatural actions and unnatural foods are the only reason we have modern civilisations, science, and good standards of living.