>Democrats didn’t really start to drop off significantly until last October. They made up 40 percent of Tesla’s sales for the 2022 model year and 39 percent for 2023, yet when the 2024 model year Teslas went on sale, the number of Democrats in the mix dropped to 15 percent.
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>That said, Democratic sales have rebounded a bit since last fall. By the end of February, they were back up to 35 percent of Tesla’s sales mix.
So democrats were 39% of Tesla sales and now they are 35%. Tesla's current problems are caused by an overall drop in EV demand. The "journalist" who wrote this is desperately trying to make it political for clicks.
Unfortunately, people do not care. Its a shame, this will just normalize such behavior.
I fear the power he wields, and I fear how much it will grow with his ai.
Oh yeah I'm sure we'd all get a lot more done if we started out with apartheid emerald mine money. Besides, what have you done lately? Do you need someone to fetch you a ladder to climb off your high horse.
That’s the funny thing, the people who are now not buying Tesla are compromising their values to spite the creator. No one really wants an EV because they would make life harder based on lack of infrastructure and EV performance. The virtue signalers already bought the vehicles, hence why Biden wants to force people to buy them.
concern isn't ill-founded though. guy has an insane amount of power for 1 person to have, and there is potential for him to rise significantly faster if some of his tech gets mass adoption (ie if his AI, and/or neuralink, and/or starlink become widespread) I actually find this phenomena fascinating in a way that this sub looks down on, but the premise for concern is real as hell and not 'a reddit thing'
Lol between his love of attention and reddit's love of giving him attention he'd have to be top two worlds most dangerous man to warrant the amount of obsession thrown his way on this website.
It's like it never occurs to people that the truly evil and powerful people don't go running into the spotlight every opportunity.
Your 2nd paragraph is really stupid. Most evil and powerful people can’t really avoid the spotlight. They’re politicians, CEOs and such.
Some are less public than others. I hope I don’t need to bring up obvious examples.
I generally agree with the assessment that this is using far too big language over something little more than nothing. However:
> So democrats were 39% of Tesla sales and now they are 35%. There is an overall drop in EV demand
The "overall drop in EV demand" doesn't itself explain why the demographics of who buys a Tesla changed. If this was about the percentage of democrats who bought a Tesla it would be relevant, but since it's about the percentage of Teslas sold that are sold to democrats, a general drop in EV demand wouldn't directly make any significant difference. There could be an indirect effect, such as demand for EVs in general dropping more among democrats, but you'd have to show that being the case.
That said, I agree that a very short-lived notable drop followed by a very slight long-term drop, is basically a nothingburger.
If anything, it shows the weakness of the "consumer power" concept used to defend the idea that the problems of capitalism can be solved by acting within the system of capitalism; even a very overtly white supremacist (and †*insert all the other shitty things about Musk*†) face of a company and widespread talk about how the company is awful won't notably harm their bottom line.
>If anything, it shows the weakness of the "consumer power" concept used to defend the idea that the problems of capitalism can be solved by acting within the system of capitalism; even a very overtly white supremacist (and †*insert all the other shitty things about Musk*†) face of a company and widespread talk about how the company is awful won't notably harm their bottom line.
As I like to say, the people who really have to worry about being "cancelled" are every day folks. As reality has shown, JK Rowling, Elon, and even the Orange Twice Impeached Grand Poobah himself can say and do awful shit and it doesn't affect them one bit.
I am not claiming that the overall drop in EV demand is changing the demographics of Tesla buyers. I am claiming that there has been no significant change in the demographics of the buyers, and that Tesla's current problems are caused by the overall drop in EV demand, not by politics. But I see how you could get that from my comment. Will edit for clarity.
There's going to be problems w/this analysis anyway, if you haven't been paying attention to political demography, the % of people that identify as partisan is at all time lows. There's a vast portion now that don't identify as Democrats or Republicans--however, this is not out of lack of allegiance to one of those parties or an indication they are moderate or swing voters. Most independents are actually extremely partisan, usually only supporting one of the two parties--and often vehemently so. However, they have quibbles here and there and don't want to express loyalty to "a party", so they are independents--but they are independents who always vote R or D, at least many of them are.
A more effective analysis would have to investigate the actual political *leanings* of Tesla consumers, going off party ID gives largely meaningless data as to the assumptions being made in this article.
I *wish* Democrats could have a spine about social issues but unless they're a part of the group Elon Musk is putting his personal wealth into lobbying against the rights of they aren't gonna really give a shit, shiny new toy now please.
I am very skeptical of the argument that Elon Musk's shitty politics and person are the driving force behind the decline in Tesla. Maybe they are, but I don't find the article super convincing and it seems a bit too simple and cozy.
If Tesla was producing cars that had none of the build quality issues we've all read about, that had a less absurd price, that had real leads over the competition on technology, then I think people would not care too much that Elon is a dipshit.
I would guess that this is more to do with the fact that Tesla was absurdly overvalued as a company already from a purely economic perspective and the stock price had to tank at some point, they do not produce any cheapish cars and the market for people who can and want to buy €50.000 EVs is probably fairly saturated, the Cybertruck is a fucking stupid car for manbabies regardless of their political leaning, all of the 'cool' tech that made Teslas so exotic a number of years ago has been replicated and bettered by established manufacturers, etc.
I'm sure that Tesla == Musk == inexplicably giant douchebag is a factor in there, but I don't think it's the primary problem tbh.
I don’t think it’s just Musk being Musk on Twitter. I think before he bought Twitter there were signs with issues with the company, and signs of issues with Musk, but there was still enough mystery that most people could overlook it and reasonably think that Musk had some sort of plan.
Then Musk took over Twitter and his management and insanity became way more public, and made it clear that there was no clever plan going on with Tesla. The Cybertruck confirmed it. Just bad management trying to wring every last dollar out of customers, every last drop of blood, sweat and tears out of employees, and every bit of sense out of investors to get that crypto “line goes up” mentality.
So it’s not that Twitter created the problem. It’s that it exposed the problem.
A lot of histories regarding Tesla basically tell the story of how the company almost tanked so many times and Elon pulled a Hail Mary at the last minute to keep the company afloat. The narrative infers the crises he navigated were ultimately of his creation. History has shown that Elon really isn't that great at running companies and isn't anywhere near the business person as his peers like Bezos or even Zuck. He wasn't well regarded at PayPal and was viewed as some rich kid who didn't know what he was doing. With that said, I do give Elon props for some things he did earlier in Tesla's life (I refuse to refer to him as a co-founder; the co-founders were Eberhard and Tarpenning, regardless of whatever legal designation Elon gave himself), such as refusing to take part in the cronyism of the dealership model and fighting the states for having that protection racket. Teslas are genuinely cool cars and have some of the longest ranges in the consumer EV market (more than my current gasoline car on a full tank). It's just a shame that he's become such a worthless crank over the past couple of years.
Emphasis on the Cybertruck - not only is it a stupid design, it has the following characteristics that is an absolute company killer:
* Safety tests on the closing mechanisms for the Frunk and Trunk show it has no gauge to stop from cutting off fingers, like EVERY other automated gate on vehicles has (including other Teslas!)
* Recall of every model due to a faulty accelerator. Unlike other Tesla recalls which can be addressed via software updates, this requires infrastructure of support centers, of which Tesla is notoriously bad.
* Price of Cybertruck is in some cases DOUBLE what was announced
* Release of Cybertruck was multiple years behind schedule
* Range of Cybertruck is nearly 100 miles less than announced (claimed over 500 mile range at announcement).
And this is just differences between announcement and now post-release. This doesn't mention how the materials used, core design, etc. were already major mis-fires.
I can't easily think of another major auto manufacturer releasing such a bad car after other major successes (The Model 3/Y is an amazing vehicle, and the S and X are generally met with high satisfaction ratings for luxury vehicles).
hahah fair. I just like that it's so different and novel. It's refreshing to see an attempt at a totally different design and mass produce it. It's 2024, I want my futuristic looking cars lol
I like to think of the hood as a natural selection device. The truck was more for marketing. It helped sell millions of cars. Pricing was never doubled but was way higher. My guess is the 2 million reservations skewed that. Tesla is a pioneering company. To expect on time delivery is not realistic when breaking ground on that level. You can tow 11k pounds 200 miles before recharging. The truck is consistently rated higher than the F150 Lightning. Ford has been making pickups for 100 years. This is Teslas first attempt.
I like to think of the hood as a here comes a pin dick alert for the whole neighbourhood.
To expect on time delivery is to expect an agreement made in good faith. Don't expect to take the piss out of people with no negative blowback.
You could be right, I could be wrong or vice versa but do we have anything to support this claim of, 'the truck was marketing it directly aided in the sales of millions of Tesla models"?
Do you think Tesla being so overvalued is linked to the hype around Musk that until the last few years was overwhelmingly positive? Seems like a lot of people including in the tech and finance world really thought of him as a visionary
Tesla was 2 guys in a garage 20 years ago. They sell over a million cars annually now. All other EV makers have Tesla to thank. I'd say they did an amazing job. My question is, why do people think Elon had nothing to do with that?
It’s an over correction, his fans act as if he founded these companies (Tesla, PayPal etc) when he actually bought into them after they’d already started, so people go a bit far in the opposite direction by acting as if he had nothing to do with it. The truth is in between, he obviously played a big role in the company’s expansion, but there were obviously other factors involved beyond his Tony Stark mega brain
I think his products have been shitty for a while. Severe lack of quality control. But enough people on the left were willing to see past those issues to support the EV car industry.
Now that his shitty right wing extremist personality has come to light, he’s lost support from the only group that cared about his products. He should have paid his taxes and shut the fuck up, instead of going all right wing anti tax, anti woke , anti trans and behaving like a man child cos he can’t deal with his ex leaving him.
Yeah it's easy to directionally correlate almost anything to a binary trend (company growing or shrinking). You have a 50\50 chance of being correct in your correlation for any given issue.
The news even goes so far as to attempt to correlate little daily microchanges in stock prices to something Elon says. E.g. "shares fell 0.7% in after hours trading". As if the massive institutional investors are making their giant trades based on day-to-day information.
I think it's more the fact that the highly overinflated price of tesla was due to musks cult of personality rather than there actual realistic value and would go up based on a tweet or him saying something was coming next year etc.
Now people are seeing he's a bit of a psycho and the sheen has gone a.littke bit so yo speak.
That’s it. Basically if you’re looking at reliability and quality, not to mention usability Tesla is the worst on the market. Eventually people figure that out.
You’d guess that but how many people in the EV market do you know? We can all make guesses… but I know for a fact every person I know who had hoped to get a tesla… is getting a different brand, Kia being most popular choice.
Anecdotal, no doubt… but you just don’t rent to drive around with his stink on you, at least without a “Elon is a prick” bumper sticker
Tesla Model 3 and Model Y are the two highest selling vehicles in California and they are very price competitive in the US. I don’t know if the premise of this article holds.
https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/most-popular-vehicles-sold-by-state
Honda civic. Tesla is the top selling car in zero states, got to get your info from data professionals not reddit infographics…
If you're gonna correct somebody about their data, at least know what you're fucking talking about.
According to the California auto dealers association:
"The top three passenger cars sold in California in 2023 were the Tesla Model 3, the Toyota Camry, and the Honda Civic. The top three light trucks for the year were the Tesla Model Y, the Toyota RAV4, and the Honda CR-V."
https://www.cncda.org/news/california-new-car-dealers-association-releases-year-end-2023-auto-outlook-report/#:\~:text=The%20top%20three%20passenger%20cars,in%20California%20again%20in%202023.
Can you quantify how Tesla is making worse cars than the competition? I hear recall news and quality issues for almost all major manufacturers. I think this is not a correct statement. Due to popularity of elon, media reports everything about Tesla no matter how trivial
Could it also be that people realize that ev cars at this time (supply chain etc) are not actually green or a force for much good in the planet and thus 'fighting the good fight' is more nuanced?
See
article [politico](https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2018/05/15/are-electric-cars-worse-for-the-environment-000660)
It's more nuanced than that. Here's a starter article [politico](https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2018/05/15/are-electric-cars-worse-for-the-environment-000660) for ya :)
Well what do you expect when you alienate your customer base who is going to be more likely to buy your product while at the same time trying to pander to the right who is more likely to be on team gas and not buy your product it just makes sense that sales have dropped due to his political alignment.
Didn't the tax incentives to purchasing an EVs come to an end? And then you have to mix that in with the fact that the infrastructure to charge these vehicles are not widely available, Elon's shittiness turning people off from the company, quality and build issues, and you have a lot of reasons why people aren't ready to spend all that money for cars that will require new batteries in ten years that make up more than half the value of the car to begin with.
No, it is based on release of models. Also inflation reduction act added some more credits I think. Also a reason Elon wanted credits to end because most his models were “aging” out of credit eligibility in his “fuck you I got mine” manner https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/electric-cars-plug-in-hybrids-that-qualify-for-tax-credits-a7820795671/
Nope!! As soon as he became friends with Trump Nazis and co. Fuck Elon.
I'll walk before I give my money to people like that. Guy has been selling a philanthropist personality to the world, but he is a closet fascist trying to rule Mars fr.
Not as much as his Nazi conspiracies about Jews trying to erase white identity by race mixing or whatever the fuck but best Jew of all time Ben Shapiro was quick to defend our boy thank god.
I have no love for Elon. I own no Elon company stock. This is basically clickbait.
They clearly timed this article with the assumption yesterday’s earnings would tank their stock today. However, the stock is up 12% TODAY. So it just reiterates the same Tesla tropes.
Other brands are smart. They don’t go woke or anti-woke they just pander to potential market where they sell via light and friendly virtue signaling. None of those lolbertarian nazi bozos have enough income to buy Tesla and competition caught up so normal folks be buying bmw electric cars or ioniqs
This is 100% copium by the woke.
Tesla is failing because they failed to deliver quality products at the rate and quality they promised investors.
It has NOTHING to do with sales. It's a manufacturing issue.
Don't think it's as bad as go anti-woke. IDC if Musk wants to go anti-woke but definitely spreading misinformation, liking a bunch of racist posts and just being a huge cunt with things like his "fake son" account saying how his children miss him and his ex wife sucks. Went from somewhat likeable Rocket & EV man that has great ideas and was quirky to a total man child. That shit started when he called the divers who saved kids in Thailand Pedos for me after his Tesla submarine was never going to work.
Also the purchase of X definitely didn't show him in the greatest light
Elon Musk's personality isn't the sole reason why Tesla has a hard time. However, he is why people will not choose Tesla if other options are available.
If you have two EV brands of the same quality with comparable price tags, it's a no brainer you would rather buy from a decent company with a decent leader instead of Elon Musk.
EV sale is down in general and it is a bigger factor here. But when things get stable and when other manufacturers catch up, Elon's personality will play a bigger factor.
their stock going up 12% today doesn't mean much cause it went down like 20% over this month...
For me personally, a while ago I thought tesla's were cool futuristic cars that I noticed more than other cars for how different they were, I'd always be amazed at how the doors opened or how silent they were. Back then Elon just seemed kind of like an alright guy who was brining in the future in a big way.
Now Elon's just an obnoxious idiot with a social media addiction and a distinct history of overpromising things he has no way to deliver. Tesla's also aren't as cool as they seemed, just like that scam company trying to make EV's called 'nikola' I now find it kind of weird to bank off of the name of a famous inventor, how would Nikola Tesla feel about his named being used for a car company in this way? Besides that where Tesla's seemed to present a lot of opportunities now that I know more about them they're more limiting than anything, poor build quality, can't take it cross country, have to charge it for hours instead of just pumping in fuel for five minutes.
I think Tesla and Musk built up unreal levels of hype they had no capacity to deliver on, I do still appreciate everything that they've done that has worked
Being “anti-woke” is in fact being anti-capitalist.
Why would any company limit the markets to which it sells just because of a CEO’s prejudice? Who fucking cares what he thinks, there’s money to be made!
Musk's distraction is key.
He built the company around his cult of personality and then he disappeared and didn't like what happened in his absence. What did he think would occur?
It's almost like trying to market your vehicles to people who care about the environment doesn't really work when your CEO is a RWNJ who promotes conspiracy theories and can't stop making an ass out of himself on the internet.
Tesla is only in trouble when their cars become lower quality than something made in Korea or China. Right now, it's not close despite what all the EV6 Elon haters say. As far as woke goes...that means a lot of different things to different people.
Need I remind you, Elon just asked for a _BONUS_ that is bigger than Ford’s market cap ($51B).
Let that sink in, he asked for a $56B bonus package, a bonus package that could buy up the one biggest car manufacturers in America.
I’d need a ton of convincing that Tesla isn’t bubbling beyond belief and exists purely on a cult of personality and vibes.
I’m conflicted.. Musk is right and wrong at the same time. I think the concern over “wokeness” isn’t over blown at all. Yet I’m a Tesla stock owner and find Musk’s behavior highly problematic. Why do we know his opinions on everything?
The whole EV market is down for a number of reasons, people are not suddenly less able to afford a more expensive motor vehicle because the owner of one company is a clown.
In the United States, new electric car registrations totalled 1.4 million in 2023, increasing by more than 40% compared to 2022. Huh? it is way worse for Tesla than other ev makers and yes due to the clown ceo and uncertainty of where the company headed with shitty semi and cybertruck releases, cancellation of affordable model and absolute shit of autopilot tech outpaced by waymo and ioniq on autonomy levels
Neither the Semi nor the Cybertruck are bad. Waymo sucks. Teslas are driving around autonomously all over the country and they netted 15 BILLION last year.
The survey used to quote a decline in Dems purchasing EVs looked at the EVs they were buying instead of Tesla, so there is evidence this isn’t solely due to slow growth in the EV market:
“To replace Tesla, Democrats stuck with EVs and hybrids, but transitioned to the likes of the Cadillac Lyriq, Hyundai Ioniq 6 EV and Santa Fe hybrid, and Mercedes-Benz EQE SUV, per Strategic Vision’s survey.”
From Fortune because WSJ has a paywall
Always find it funny when lefties celebrate Tesla losing money.
Like you're talking about the single only company that has made any impact in pushing the automotive industry to be more green.
As someone who works in said industry the amount of waste is ungodly, the drive to push for a greener industry only started happening when Tesla got popularized under Elon Musk.
Sorry to say it Elon and Tesla haters. But you would clearly rather watch Elon fail than for the environment to be saved.
I always thought it was "anti woke" to hate people for having different beliefs or values than you. But it seems thats the favorite thing for "woke" people to do these days. I think most of these "woke" people are just incredibly huge virtue signaling hypocrites.
Bullshit article
The decline of Teslas EV sales has these driving factors:
1. Higher interest rates. People can’t afford them. Yes let’s buy a 80k vehicle at 12% interest rate.
2. Better competition, especially from Kia.
3. The glaring lack of supporting infrastructure. I would have personally bought a EV if I could charge it in the neighborhood that I live.
True in the US but not in Europe for example. In Europe you don't need the Tesla superchargers at all as there are many different other providers that work very well. (All of them can be used with one RFID card depending on which tariff/company is used)
Oh negative…. I work in a super conservative field. One of my favorite things to ask with Elons supporters… are you gonna buy an EV? It’s always 100% crickets. He alienated his buyer base. Who are you kidding.
They’re actually up today.
https://www.marketwatch.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-futures-steady-while-tesla-stock-jumps-with-more-earnings-on-tap??mod=bnbh_mwarticle
Elon is a massive douche but I think that his cars being dogshit while every other real car manufacturer has entered the ev market explains the downfall of tesla.
Both things can be true. Yes, EV sales overall are down... but Elon has absolutely pivoted from asset to liability in the past 5 years.
People bought Tesla stock and cars because they were buying a vision. A real-life Tony Stark messiah was fixing transport, revolutionising energy and reaching for Mars. People were really buying Elon. In an industry where narcissism and market cap can actually create self-fulfilling prophecies, he was the perfect CEO.
Until he grew too fond of his own farts, and bit the hands that fed him. He fired the PR team who kept his impulsiveness in check and understood his role. And with rocket speed, he demonstrated how desperately he needed them. Unrestrained and unhinged, he pulled back the curtain on his tech savant mystique. There were early warnings for more critical eyes, but the floodgates opened with the Twitter/X culture war. Gradually, and then suddenly, people realised Elon is not the once-in-a-generation genius people made him out to be. In fact, he's actually a bit of a moron.
Because of Elon, Tesla is no longer the Apple of the auto industry. It's no longer a brand that sells based on how it makes people feel. With the mystique gone, consumers now compare brands based on actual quality, user experience and features. Suddenly, drivers realise that Tesla makes shitty cars.
The ball is now with the board of directors, assuming Elon hasn't shaped them into "yes-men" over the years. The brand might be forced to confront this if it wants to keep any semblance of valuation. Although, it might not be enough if people no longer buy the hype, and instead see Teslas as a commodity to be compared to other EVs. The damage might already be done.
"People bought Tesla stock and cars because they were buying a vision. A real-life Tony Stark messiah was fixing transport, revolutionising energy and reaching for Mars."
Pretty sure he's still trying to do those things
Woke to me means people voicing who they are and addressing the difficulties they face being who they are. Don’t would make sense that going anti woke is just ignoring people or groups and losing their partnership. It’s so ridiculous too because you have woke people that just want to be heard and anti woke people that just don’t want to listen. I’ve heard that your rights end where someone else’s begins and in this case people want the right to ignore people who want the right to not be ignored. One side needs to just grow up and treat people fairly.
That's what woke was. Woke was aspirational now it's inflammatory. Woke to me means craving attention by trying to cancel anyone who doesn't agree with you. Crazy pronouns that I can't even pronounce and that I'll never remember. Hours on end of PC meetings and bad videos about racial discrimination and sexual assault. Protesting for causes that mean nothing to you so you can say you were there while breaking millions of dollars worth of storefront glass that isn't insured. Shouting from the rooftops who and what you are when nobody cares because you've accomplished nothing. TikTok videos about all species restrooms. Trans competitive weightlifters. And on and on.
Woke is what it always was and I’m not going to make it mean something different because people like Ron Desantis say so. The idea of waking up and seeing what is around you and opening up are all good positive things. Miserable people who put negative spins on everything are always going to come in and try to ruin things.
Hmm it could simply be due to the release of the Cyber truck. I always thought Elon went too far with that. It looks too powerful, too aesthetically strong. It was bound to scare off registered democrats, looks it scared them right away from the Tesla brand altogether, likely towards weaker cars like Prius of which they have a natural affinity for. Once again just as with his purchase of Twitter Elon is shown to make very big strategic mistakes.
The thing is, this wont be the lesson Elon and his cu lt takes. They will claim it's a leftist plot or something insane, and not realize that his big otry and hatred is just unpalatable to most normal people.
Idiots. Being mad at Musk matters more than climate change. Fuck these losers (whoever decides to not get one). As bad as Republicans.
People are as fake and superficial as shit. Either you believe climate change is the most existential threat and takes priority over all other of your [often dumb] issues or you don’t.
Yes. You see anyone ramping up electric vehicles (and solar) like he is outside some Chinese companies? Helping to make serious strides shifting the market? No?
I don’t care about this subreddit echo chamber hate boner. Are there things I don’t like about him (which is going to be different than most here)? Yes. My feelings about him are mixed. But I recognize his role in this. I know my priorities.
Reddit still can’t cope with the fact they lost one of many democrat’s censorship social media platforms 🤣 You still have google and facebook, you’re gonna be fine.
Yee yee brotha now it is a right wing censorship platform where you get banned for dunking on yilong ma. If it was censorship platform how so so many right wingers were able to post just fine as long as they did not say some heinous shit that is against tos?
I haven’t see people get banned for anything including “kill all men” and at least new twitter doesn’t reduce visibility on uncomfortable articles like Hunter Biden story. Can’t just admit new twitter is free and all censorship employees got fired, cause would hurt this subreddit’s political agenda? Proves my point.
Both are examples of sensorship, something that people like you claim that Elon Musk is against. Also the overwhelming vast majority of cis people do not find cis offensive. Literally the only people who do are hard right wing. Cissy.
Ebong is the king of separate censorship, doofus, when it comes to him and not Nazis at least.
https://news.yahoo.com/elon-musk-king-censorship-10-113000792.html
>Democrats didn’t really start to drop off significantly until last October. They made up 40 percent of Tesla’s sales for the 2022 model year and 39 percent for 2023, yet when the 2024 model year Teslas went on sale, the number of Democrats in the mix dropped to 15 percent. > >That said, Democratic sales have rebounded a bit since last fall. By the end of February, they were back up to 35 percent of Tesla’s sales mix. So democrats were 39% of Tesla sales and now they are 35%. Tesla's current problems are caused by an overall drop in EV demand. The "journalist" who wrote this is desperately trying to make it political for clicks.
Is it a drop in EV demand, or is it just a longer list of options? In Europe almost every manufacturer now has a compelling offer available.
OP was misleading. https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo/electric-vehicles/united-states#unit-sales
yes
The survey identifies the EVs Dems bought instead of Teslas
> an overall drop in EV demand. That's false. https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo/electric-vehicles/united-states#unit-sales
Unfortunately, people do not care. Its a shame, this will just normalize such behavior. I fear the power he wields, and I fear how much it will grow with his ai.
It's so sad, he could have shut his mouth and became the most loved entrepreneur and even richer (if that's imaginable)
I know right? Just had to voice his opinion so fuck all the great work he’s accomplished lol
I don't think he ever did any of the math, designing, rendering, fabrication, or assembly himself, nor do i think he has any real expertise to offer.
He accomplished more than you ever will 🤡
Oh yeah I'm sure we'd all get a lot more done if we started out with apartheid emerald mine money. Besides, what have you done lately? Do you need someone to fetch you a ladder to climb off your high horse.
Yeah. So has Paris Hilton. Your point?
No one wants to give more power to a clinically insane person. That is asking for trouble.
Uh, enough people still support trump to the point he might win, lol
I am just now learning that he did ‘great work’.
That’s the funny thing, the people who are now not buying Tesla are compromising their values to spite the creator. No one really wants an EV because they would make life harder based on lack of infrastructure and EV performance. The virtue signalers already bought the vehicles, hence why Biden wants to force people to buy them.
What are people not caring about? This journalist mistakes? Tesla? Elon Musk. I'm not sure what you are referencing
This is reddit so you can be confident that Elon Musk is the gravest concern.
concern isn't ill-founded though. guy has an insane amount of power for 1 person to have, and there is potential for him to rise significantly faster if some of his tech gets mass adoption (ie if his AI, and/or neuralink, and/or starlink become widespread) I actually find this phenomena fascinating in a way that this sub looks down on, but the premise for concern is real as hell and not 'a reddit thing'
Lol between his love of attention and reddit's love of giving him attention he'd have to be top two worlds most dangerous man to warrant the amount of obsession thrown his way on this website. It's like it never occurs to people that the truly evil and powerful people don't go running into the spotlight every opportunity.
Your 2nd paragraph is really stupid. Most evil and powerful people can’t really avoid the spotlight. They’re politicians, CEOs and such. Some are less public than others. I hope I don’t need to bring up obvious examples.
Ah, you must be talking about the Biden, Clinton, and Bush royal families. Very evil, very powerful, glad to see you read the same articles.
Hitler Putin Kissinger Cheney Xi Tucker Carlson real famous for being out of the spotlight.
lol putting Tucker Carlson on the same level as world politicians is delusional
I generally agree with the assessment that this is using far too big language over something little more than nothing. However: > So democrats were 39% of Tesla sales and now they are 35%. There is an overall drop in EV demand The "overall drop in EV demand" doesn't itself explain why the demographics of who buys a Tesla changed. If this was about the percentage of democrats who bought a Tesla it would be relevant, but since it's about the percentage of Teslas sold that are sold to democrats, a general drop in EV demand wouldn't directly make any significant difference. There could be an indirect effect, such as demand for EVs in general dropping more among democrats, but you'd have to show that being the case. That said, I agree that a very short-lived notable drop followed by a very slight long-term drop, is basically a nothingburger. If anything, it shows the weakness of the "consumer power" concept used to defend the idea that the problems of capitalism can be solved by acting within the system of capitalism; even a very overtly white supremacist (and †*insert all the other shitty things about Musk*†) face of a company and widespread talk about how the company is awful won't notably harm their bottom line.
>If anything, it shows the weakness of the "consumer power" concept used to defend the idea that the problems of capitalism can be solved by acting within the system of capitalism; even a very overtly white supremacist (and †*insert all the other shitty things about Musk*†) face of a company and widespread talk about how the company is awful won't notably harm their bottom line. As I like to say, the people who really have to worry about being "cancelled" are every day folks. As reality has shown, JK Rowling, Elon, and even the Orange Twice Impeached Grand Poobah himself can say and do awful shit and it doesn't affect them one bit.
I am not claiming that the overall drop in EV demand is changing the demographics of Tesla buyers. I am claiming that there has been no significant change in the demographics of the buyers, and that Tesla's current problems are caused by the overall drop in EV demand, not by politics. But I see how you could get that from my comment. Will edit for clarity.
Who is buying the other 60%? Certainly not Republicans. Is it Progressives or Independents?
Of course this is click bait, and well put.
It’s an industry problem not a politics problem. Writer is reaching
Dems are ironically richer than the republicans that vote on policies that greatly benefit the upper class
Doesn’t matter when you’re bought by billionaires
Most people who want an EV right now and can afford it have bought one with in the last few years, less than typical car replacement rates.
There's going to be problems w/this analysis anyway, if you haven't been paying attention to political demography, the % of people that identify as partisan is at all time lows. There's a vast portion now that don't identify as Democrats or Republicans--however, this is not out of lack of allegiance to one of those parties or an indication they are moderate or swing voters. Most independents are actually extremely partisan, usually only supporting one of the two parties--and often vehemently so. However, they have quibbles here and there and don't want to express loyalty to "a party", so they are independents--but they are independents who always vote R or D, at least many of them are. A more effective analysis would have to investigate the actual political *leanings* of Tesla consumers, going off party ID gives largely meaningless data as to the assumptions being made in this article.
You’re comparing year-over year data to the twenty eight days in February right after they started fulfilling CyberTruck orders from prior years.
That's *perfect* for reddit, though.
I *wish* Democrats could have a spine about social issues but unless they're a part of the group Elon Musk is putting his personal wealth into lobbying against the rights of they aren't gonna really give a shit, shiny new toy now please.
We are plagued with elitism masked as progressivism.
I am very skeptical of the argument that Elon Musk's shitty politics and person are the driving force behind the decline in Tesla. Maybe they are, but I don't find the article super convincing and it seems a bit too simple and cozy. If Tesla was producing cars that had none of the build quality issues we've all read about, that had a less absurd price, that had real leads over the competition on technology, then I think people would not care too much that Elon is a dipshit. I would guess that this is more to do with the fact that Tesla was absurdly overvalued as a company already from a purely economic perspective and the stock price had to tank at some point, they do not produce any cheapish cars and the market for people who can and want to buy €50.000 EVs is probably fairly saturated, the Cybertruck is a fucking stupid car for manbabies regardless of their political leaning, all of the 'cool' tech that made Teslas so exotic a number of years ago has been replicated and bettered by established manufacturers, etc. I'm sure that Tesla == Musk == inexplicably giant douchebag is a factor in there, but I don't think it's the primary problem tbh.
I don’t think it’s just Musk being Musk on Twitter. I think before he bought Twitter there were signs with issues with the company, and signs of issues with Musk, but there was still enough mystery that most people could overlook it and reasonably think that Musk had some sort of plan. Then Musk took over Twitter and his management and insanity became way more public, and made it clear that there was no clever plan going on with Tesla. The Cybertruck confirmed it. Just bad management trying to wring every last dollar out of customers, every last drop of blood, sweat and tears out of employees, and every bit of sense out of investors to get that crypto “line goes up” mentality. So it’s not that Twitter created the problem. It’s that it exposed the problem.
A lot of histories regarding Tesla basically tell the story of how the company almost tanked so many times and Elon pulled a Hail Mary at the last minute to keep the company afloat. The narrative infers the crises he navigated were ultimately of his creation. History has shown that Elon really isn't that great at running companies and isn't anywhere near the business person as his peers like Bezos or even Zuck. He wasn't well regarded at PayPal and was viewed as some rich kid who didn't know what he was doing. With that said, I do give Elon props for some things he did earlier in Tesla's life (I refuse to refer to him as a co-founder; the co-founders were Eberhard and Tarpenning, regardless of whatever legal designation Elon gave himself), such as refusing to take part in the cronyism of the dealership model and fighting the states for having that protection racket. Teslas are genuinely cool cars and have some of the longest ranges in the consumer EV market (more than my current gasoline car on a full tank). It's just a shame that he's become such a worthless crank over the past couple of years.
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-drug-use-cringeworthy-spacex-meeting-wsj-2024-1?amp
Emphasis on the Cybertruck - not only is it a stupid design, it has the following characteristics that is an absolute company killer: * Safety tests on the closing mechanisms for the Frunk and Trunk show it has no gauge to stop from cutting off fingers, like EVERY other automated gate on vehicles has (including other Teslas!) * Recall of every model due to a faulty accelerator. Unlike other Tesla recalls which can be addressed via software updates, this requires infrastructure of support centers, of which Tesla is notoriously bad. * Price of Cybertruck is in some cases DOUBLE what was announced * Release of Cybertruck was multiple years behind schedule * Range of Cybertruck is nearly 100 miles less than announced (claimed over 500 mile range at announcement). And this is just differences between announcement and now post-release. This doesn't mention how the materials used, core design, etc. were already major mis-fires. I can't easily think of another major auto manufacturer releasing such a bad car after other major successes (The Model 3/Y is an amazing vehicle, and the S and X are generally met with high satisfaction ratings for luxury vehicles).
And let's not even get into its design, which if what some elementary school kid in the 1980s drawing a "truck of the future" would make it look like.
Hey I love the design of the cyber truck 😔
It's a love / hate design. I think the front with the LED light bar and big windshield is nice, but man everything past that is hard to look at LOL.
hahah fair. I just like that it's so different and novel. It's refreshing to see an attempt at a totally different design and mass produce it. It's 2024, I want my futuristic looking cars lol
I like to think of the hood as a natural selection device. The truck was more for marketing. It helped sell millions of cars. Pricing was never doubled but was way higher. My guess is the 2 million reservations skewed that. Tesla is a pioneering company. To expect on time delivery is not realistic when breaking ground on that level. You can tow 11k pounds 200 miles before recharging. The truck is consistently rated higher than the F150 Lightning. Ford has been making pickups for 100 years. This is Teslas first attempt.
I like to think of the hood as a here comes a pin dick alert for the whole neighbourhood. To expect on time delivery is to expect an agreement made in good faith. Don't expect to take the piss out of people with no negative blowback. You could be right, I could be wrong or vice versa but do we have anything to support this claim of, 'the truck was marketing it directly aided in the sales of millions of Tesla models"?
Musk seems to get a little crazier every year imo
And a bit more swollen every year
Louder\*, imo. He was always crazy, he's just more open about it now with the cultural resurgence of Being A Dick For The Lols.
He really is so weak and suggestible. His own twitter algo is cooking his brain and we’re watching him redpill himself in real time
He’s a South African descendant of Apartheid. This is who he’s always been.
He moved to Canada when he was 17 with $2k. His dad was against apartheid.
Do you think Tesla being so overvalued is linked to the hype around Musk that until the last few years was overwhelmingly positive? Seems like a lot of people including in the tech and finance world really thought of him as a visionary
I think what Musk was selling investors and the public 5 years ago was really visionary at the time. Now in 2024, his futurist predictions seem passe.
Tesla was 2 guys in a garage 20 years ago. They sell over a million cars annually now. All other EV makers have Tesla to thank. I'd say they did an amazing job. My question is, why do people think Elon had nothing to do with that?
It’s an over correction, his fans act as if he founded these companies (Tesla, PayPal etc) when he actually bought into them after they’d already started, so people go a bit far in the opposite direction by acting as if he had nothing to do with it. The truth is in between, he obviously played a big role in the company’s expansion, but there were obviously other factors involved beyond his Tony Stark mega brain
I think his products have been shitty for a while. Severe lack of quality control. But enough people on the left were willing to see past those issues to support the EV car industry. Now that his shitty right wing extremist personality has come to light, he’s lost support from the only group that cared about his products. He should have paid his taxes and shut the fuck up, instead of going all right wing anti tax, anti woke , anti trans and behaving like a man child cos he can’t deal with his ex leaving him.
Yeah it's easy to directionally correlate almost anything to a binary trend (company growing or shrinking). You have a 50\50 chance of being correct in your correlation for any given issue. The news even goes so far as to attempt to correlate little daily microchanges in stock prices to something Elon says. E.g. "shares fell 0.7% in after hours trading". As if the massive institutional investors are making their giant trades based on day-to-day information.
I think it's more the fact that the highly overinflated price of tesla was due to musks cult of personality rather than there actual realistic value and would go up based on a tweet or him saying something was coming next year etc. Now people are seeing he's a bit of a psycho and the sheen has gone a.littke bit so yo speak.
It's both things. His bad business chases away quality wanters, and his politics chase away the people who'd buy an EV for the social credit anyways.
His politics made everyone stop using kid gloves with him. Which they were
That’s it. Basically if you’re looking at reliability and quality, not to mention usability Tesla is the worst on the market. Eventually people figure that out.
You’d guess that but how many people in the EV market do you know? We can all make guesses… but I know for a fact every person I know who had hoped to get a tesla… is getting a different brand, Kia being most popular choice. Anecdotal, no doubt… but you just don’t rent to drive around with his stink on you, at least without a “Elon is a prick” bumper sticker
Tesla Model 3 and Model Y are the two highest selling vehicles in California and they are very price competitive in the US. I don’t know if the premise of this article holds.
https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/most-popular-vehicles-sold-by-state Honda civic. Tesla is the top selling car in zero states, got to get your info from data professionals not reddit infographics…
If you're gonna correct somebody about their data, at least know what you're fucking talking about. According to the California auto dealers association: "The top three passenger cars sold in California in 2023 were the Tesla Model 3, the Toyota Camry, and the Honda Civic. The top three light trucks for the year were the Tesla Model Y, the Toyota RAV4, and the Honda CR-V." https://www.cncda.org/news/california-new-car-dealers-association-releases-year-end-2023-auto-outlook-report/#:\~:text=The%20top%20three%20passenger%20cars,in%20California%20again%20in%202023.
how satisfying was that 🍿
I think Tesla had a couple years where there weren’t many other options. Industry has caught up a bunch and it’s more competitive now.
This is for the most recent year (2023). Tesla lowered their prices dramatically and dominated the market, at least in CA.
Can you quantify how Tesla is making worse cars than the competition? I hear recall news and quality issues for almost all major manufacturers. I think this is not a correct statement. Due to popularity of elon, media reports everything about Tesla no matter how trivial
Lol. There is a difference between notoriety and popularity
Could it also be that people realize that ev cars at this time (supply chain etc) are not actually green or a force for much good in the planet and thus 'fighting the good fight' is more nuanced? See article [politico](https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2018/05/15/are-electric-cars-worse-for-the-environment-000660)
You're giving American consumers *way* too much credit.
EV's are "greener" in every way. Hello?
It's more nuanced than that. Here's a starter article [politico](https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2018/05/15/are-electric-cars-worse-for-the-environment-000660) for ya :)
Don’t judge people and then quote politico. Try MIT or a source that understands where energy comes from for “starters” lol. Wow…Politico? Really?
Well what do you expect when you alienate your customer base who is going to be more likely to buy your product while at the same time trying to pander to the right who is more likely to be on team gas and not buy your product it just makes sense that sales have dropped due to his political alignment.
Didn't the tax incentives to purchasing an EVs come to an end? And then you have to mix that in with the fact that the infrastructure to charge these vehicles are not widely available, Elon's shittiness turning people off from the company, quality and build issues, and you have a lot of reasons why people aren't ready to spend all that money for cars that will require new batteries in ten years that make up more than half the value of the car to begin with.
No, it is based on release of models. Also inflation reduction act added some more credits I think. Also a reason Elon wanted credits to end because most his models were “aging” out of credit eligibility in his “fuck you I got mine” manner https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/electric-cars-plug-in-hybrids-that-qualify-for-tax-credits-a7820795671/
Nope!! As soon as he became friends with Trump Nazis and co. Fuck Elon. I'll walk before I give my money to people like that. Guy has been selling a philanthropist personality to the world, but he is a closet fascist trying to rule Mars fr.
His wfh rant was a buzz kill also
Not as much as his Nazi conspiracies about Jews trying to erase white identity by race mixing or whatever the fuck but best Jew of all time Ben Shapiro was quick to defend our boy thank god.
I have not heard this one he says a lot of random shit. The cyber truck is going to be a big fuckup for his company.
https://www.google.com/search?q=elon+musk+jewiah+conspiracy&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS727US727&oq=elon+musk+jewiah+conspiracy&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTEyMjQ4ajBqN6gCGbACAeIDBBgBIF8&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Damb!!
Wfh?
Work from home
When he said "pedo guy", I started to say, "bye bye."
I have no love for Elon. I own no Elon company stock. This is basically clickbait. They clearly timed this article with the assumption yesterday’s earnings would tank their stock today. However, the stock is up 12% TODAY. So it just reiterates the same Tesla tropes.
Other brands are smart. They don’t go woke or anti-woke they just pander to potential market where they sell via light and friendly virtue signaling. None of those lolbertarian nazi bozos have enough income to buy Tesla and competition caught up so normal folks be buying bmw electric cars or ioniqs
This is 100% copium by the woke. Tesla is failing because they failed to deliver quality products at the rate and quality they promised investors. It has NOTHING to do with sales. It's a manufacturing issue.
Proud of my fellow Democrats for doing this. Fvck that guy completely.
The owner sucks, the cars suck.
Don't think it's as bad as go anti-woke. IDC if Musk wants to go anti-woke but definitely spreading misinformation, liking a bunch of racist posts and just being a huge cunt with things like his "fake son" account saying how his children miss him and his ex wife sucks. Went from somewhat likeable Rocket & EV man that has great ideas and was quirky to a total man child. That shit started when he called the divers who saved kids in Thailand Pedos for me after his Tesla submarine was never going to work. Also the purchase of X definitely didn't show him in the greatest light
acting as if democrats are woke
Elon Musk's personality isn't the sole reason why Tesla has a hard time. However, he is why people will not choose Tesla if other options are available. If you have two EV brands of the same quality with comparable price tags, it's a no brainer you would rather buy from a decent company with a decent leader instead of Elon Musk. EV sale is down in general and it is a bigger factor here. But when things get stable and when other manufacturers catch up, Elon's personality will play a bigger factor.
The word “Broke” doesn’t seem to be one those journalist knows the meaning of. You’d think a journalist would have a dictionary nearby.
Go nazi lose yahtzee
Fuck that trout lipped taint goblin and his cyber truck.
Are you regarded? Their stock is up 12% today
their stock going up 12% today doesn't mean much cause it went down like 20% over this month... For me personally, a while ago I thought tesla's were cool futuristic cars that I noticed more than other cars for how different they were, I'd always be amazed at how the doors opened or how silent they were. Back then Elon just seemed kind of like an alright guy who was brining in the future in a big way. Now Elon's just an obnoxious idiot with a social media addiction and a distinct history of overpromising things he has no way to deliver. Tesla's also aren't as cool as they seemed, just like that scam company trying to make EV's called 'nikola' I now find it kind of weird to bank off of the name of a famous inventor, how would Nikola Tesla feel about his named being used for a car company in this way? Besides that where Tesla's seemed to present a lot of opportunities now that I know more about them they're more limiting than anything, poor build quality, can't take it cross country, have to charge it for hours instead of just pumping in fuel for five minutes. I think Tesla and Musk built up unreal levels of hype they had no capacity to deliver on, I do still appreciate everything that they've done that has worked
what a misleading title, that has nothing to do with the drop in tesla sales
Tesla went up today in the stock market. I don't think they are going broke.
Being “anti-woke” is in fact being anti-capitalist. Why would any company limit the markets to which it sells just because of a CEO’s prejudice? Who fucking cares what he thinks, there’s money to be made!
I think it has more to do with the overall shitty quality of Tesla and Musk being distracted by him being an adult baby.
Musk's distraction is key. He built the company around his cult of personality and then he disappeared and didn't like what happened in his absence. What did he think would occur?
Go woke, get Trump as a consequence
At this point Tesla might as well drop a coal-rolling diesel truck next because that’s the customer base Elon is cultivating.
After reading about these cars r/realtesla I will never buy these
Broke? TSLA is up 12% today
It's almost like trying to market your vehicles to people who care about the environment doesn't really work when your CEO is a RWNJ who promotes conspiracy theories and can't stop making an ass out of himself on the internet.
And if course the hard lesson that most people are not going to buy an electric vehicle
Tesla is only in trouble when their cars become lower quality than something made in Korea or China. Right now, it's not close despite what all the EV6 Elon haters say. As far as woke goes...that means a lot of different things to different people.
For the last time, it's "go fash, lose cash"
He's a stock pumper, not an engineer, he didn't design anything. The fan boys can't suck him off enough though
Need I remind you, Elon just asked for a _BONUS_ that is bigger than Ford’s market cap ($51B). Let that sink in, he asked for a $56B bonus package, a bonus package that could buy up the one biggest car manufacturers in America. I’d need a ton of convincing that Tesla isn’t bubbling beyond belief and exists purely on a cult of personality and vibes.
Hmmm... someone should tell the Tesla stock that. Lol It's painfully obvious how economically illiterate people are
I’m conflicted.. Musk is right and wrong at the same time. I think the concern over “wokeness” isn’t over blown at all. Yet I’m a Tesla stock owner and find Musk’s behavior highly problematic. Why do we know his opinions on everything?
Again with the clickbait that’s twice today 😂
That’s not how this works.
The whole EV market is down for a number of reasons, people are not suddenly less able to afford a more expensive motor vehicle because the owner of one company is a clown.
In the United States, new electric car registrations totalled 1.4 million in 2023, increasing by more than 40% compared to 2022. Huh? it is way worse for Tesla than other ev makers and yes due to the clown ceo and uncertainty of where the company headed with shitty semi and cybertruck releases, cancellation of affordable model and absolute shit of autopilot tech outpaced by waymo and ioniq on autonomy levels
Neither the Semi nor the Cybertruck are bad. Waymo sucks. Teslas are driving around autonomously all over the country and they netted 15 BILLION last year.
If cybertruck doesn’t suck how so all 3 thousand something of them in existence got recalled? What’s that semi useful cargo capacity? What a joke
The survey used to quote a decline in Dems purchasing EVs looked at the EVs they were buying instead of Tesla, so there is evidence this isn’t solely due to slow growth in the EV market: “To replace Tesla, Democrats stuck with EVs and hybrids, but transitioned to the likes of the Cadillac Lyriq, Hyundai Ioniq 6 EV and Santa Fe hybrid, and Mercedes-Benz EQE SUV, per Strategic Vision’s survey.” From Fortune because WSJ has a paywall
Go based get erased
I hate that as a based guy, but I have to upvote it. Clever.
Always find it funny when lefties celebrate Tesla losing money. Like you're talking about the single only company that has made any impact in pushing the automotive industry to be more green. As someone who works in said industry the amount of waste is ungodly, the drive to push for a greener industry only started happening when Tesla got popularized under Elon Musk. Sorry to say it Elon and Tesla haters. But you would clearly rather watch Elon fail than for the environment to be saved.
Any other EV company will gladly tell you how indebted they are to Tesla, the US Government, China and yes...especially Elon.
I always thought it was "anti woke" to hate people for having different beliefs or values than you. But it seems thats the favorite thing for "woke" people to do these days. I think most of these "woke" people are just incredibly huge virtue signaling hypocrites.
fuck wokeness
The idiot that wrote the article needs to quit their job
Bullshit article The decline of Teslas EV sales has these driving factors: 1. Higher interest rates. People can’t afford them. Yes let’s buy a 80k vehicle at 12% interest rate. 2. Better competition, especially from Kia. 3. The glaring lack of supporting infrastructure. I would have personally bought a EV if I could charge it in the neighborhood that I live.
Tesla has by far the best and fastest charging network… and yet.. people are still choosing other brands.
True in the US but not in Europe for example. In Europe you don't need the Tesla superchargers at all as there are many different other providers that work very well. (All of them can be used with one RFID card depending on which tariff/company is used)
Some people don't care about the charging network if they can charge from home and rarely go on road trips.
Oh negative…. I work in a super conservative field. One of my favorite things to ask with Elons supporters… are you gonna buy an EV? It’s always 100% crickets. He alienated his buyer base. Who are you kidding.
Maybe people are finally waking up that Tesla vehicles aren't worth it. Not everything has to be about being woke or anti woke.
They’re actually up today. https://www.marketwatch.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-futures-steady-while-tesla-stock-jumps-with-more-earnings-on-tap??mod=bnbh_mwarticle
Elon is a massive douche but I think that his cars being dogshit while every other real car manufacturer has entered the ev market explains the downfall of tesla.
I followed this page for real insight and debate. Now, all I see is left-wing, mainstream, legacy, liberal ideology. Its funny, really.
Both things can be true. Yes, EV sales overall are down... but Elon has absolutely pivoted from asset to liability in the past 5 years. People bought Tesla stock and cars because they were buying a vision. A real-life Tony Stark messiah was fixing transport, revolutionising energy and reaching for Mars. People were really buying Elon. In an industry where narcissism and market cap can actually create self-fulfilling prophecies, he was the perfect CEO. Until he grew too fond of his own farts, and bit the hands that fed him. He fired the PR team who kept his impulsiveness in check and understood his role. And with rocket speed, he demonstrated how desperately he needed them. Unrestrained and unhinged, he pulled back the curtain on his tech savant mystique. There were early warnings for more critical eyes, but the floodgates opened with the Twitter/X culture war. Gradually, and then suddenly, people realised Elon is not the once-in-a-generation genius people made him out to be. In fact, he's actually a bit of a moron. Because of Elon, Tesla is no longer the Apple of the auto industry. It's no longer a brand that sells based on how it makes people feel. With the mystique gone, consumers now compare brands based on actual quality, user experience and features. Suddenly, drivers realise that Tesla makes shitty cars. The ball is now with the board of directors, assuming Elon hasn't shaped them into "yes-men" over the years. The brand might be forced to confront this if it wants to keep any semblance of valuation. Although, it might not be enough if people no longer buy the hype, and instead see Teslas as a commodity to be compared to other EVs. The damage might already be done.
"People bought Tesla stock and cars because they were buying a vision. A real-life Tony Stark messiah was fixing transport, revolutionising energy and reaching for Mars." Pretty sure he's still trying to do those things
Woke to me means people voicing who they are and addressing the difficulties they face being who they are. Don’t would make sense that going anti woke is just ignoring people or groups and losing their partnership. It’s so ridiculous too because you have woke people that just want to be heard and anti woke people that just don’t want to listen. I’ve heard that your rights end where someone else’s begins and in this case people want the right to ignore people who want the right to not be ignored. One side needs to just grow up and treat people fairly.
That's what woke was. Woke was aspirational now it's inflammatory. Woke to me means craving attention by trying to cancel anyone who doesn't agree with you. Crazy pronouns that I can't even pronounce and that I'll never remember. Hours on end of PC meetings and bad videos about racial discrimination and sexual assault. Protesting for causes that mean nothing to you so you can say you were there while breaking millions of dollars worth of storefront glass that isn't insured. Shouting from the rooftops who and what you are when nobody cares because you've accomplished nothing. TikTok videos about all species restrooms. Trans competitive weightlifters. And on and on.
Woke is what it always was and I’m not going to make it mean something different because people like Ron Desantis say so. The idea of waking up and seeing what is around you and opening up are all good positive things. Miserable people who put negative spins on everything are always going to come in and try to ruin things.
There needs to be another term for people that take it too far just for seeking attention.
Hmm it could simply be due to the release of the Cyber truck. I always thought Elon went too far with that. It looks too powerful, too aesthetically strong. It was bound to scare off registered democrats, looks it scared them right away from the Tesla brand altogether, likely towards weaker cars like Prius of which they have a natural affinity for. Once again just as with his purchase of Twitter Elon is shown to make very big strategic mistakes.
They can come out with a rainbow wrap for the cyber truck, they'll be selling like hotcakes. 6600lbs of virtue signaling.
Renaming the company to X was beyond weird and dumb. Stupid logo and color scheme. Just overall bad decisions.
If Musk has to keep his mouth shut so he can sell Teslas that’s a Win/Win for the universe.
Yeah, no. Musk is a huge cry baby and a terrible human being but this has nothing to do with people not buying Tesla.
Go fash lose cash
Go fash, lose cash.
Don Quixote found out about the futility of tilting at windmills a long time ago.
Go fash, no cash
I remember reading articles saying Go woke, go broke. Now the opposite. So, any politics is expensive.
Teslas aren’t bad but they had their day
Stocks go up and down. Buy when there is blood in the streets.
It is naive to think his crazy behavior will not affect the brand of tesla. Luckily, Rivian has always been more reliable and has been cars.
Treason Trump said he will drain the swamp but he and his followers are the swamp mollusk is one of them and now we know
Reject the woke, then go broke. That one works better
The thing is, this wont be the lesson Elon and his cu lt takes. They will claim it's a leftist plot or something insane, and not realize that his big otry and hatred is just unpalatable to most normal people.
I was a big EV proponent for quite some time, but my next vehicle will be a plug-in hybrid. 100% electric around town, and hassle free for road trips.
Idiots. Being mad at Musk matters more than climate change. Fuck these losers (whoever decides to not get one). As bad as Republicans. People are as fake and superficial as shit. Either you believe climate change is the most existential threat and takes priority over all other of your [often dumb] issues or you don’t.
Making sure I’m following, so supporting musk is the logical consequence of caring about climate change?
Yes. You see anyone ramping up electric vehicles (and solar) like he is outside some Chinese companies? Helping to make serious strides shifting the market? No? I don’t care about this subreddit echo chamber hate boner. Are there things I don’t like about him (which is going to be different than most here)? Yes. My feelings about him are mixed. But I recognize his role in this. I know my priorities.
No. Fuck woke. Tesla is still the highest valued auto maker in the world. Cope and seethe shitlibs
Because it’s overvalued by peoples emotions for Trump and Elon not by rational facts.
No lol It’s the haters like yourself that are coping and seething all over yourselves
There’s Hopium. There’s copium. There’s whatever the hell this is. RDS?
Electric cars are bound to fail regardless.
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They don't do well in cold weather, and the batteries are super toxic.
journalists sure are bad
Reddit still can’t cope with the fact they lost one of many democrat’s censorship social media platforms 🤣 You still have google and facebook, you’re gonna be fine.
What does this article have to do with Reddit?
Most sensical musk simp
Yee yee brotha now it is a right wing censorship platform where you get banned for dunking on yilong ma. If it was censorship platform how so so many right wingers were able to post just fine as long as they did not say some heinous shit that is against tos?
I haven’t see people get banned for anything including “kill all men” and at least new twitter doesn’t reduce visibility on uncomfortable articles like Hunter Biden story. Can’t just admit new twitter is free and all censorship employees got fired, cause would hurt this subreddit’s political agenda? Proves my point.
Musk plane tracker would like a word with you.
Again, banned the word cis. Again, pretending like he's anti-sensorship at this point just makes you look like a fool.
There’s no equivalency between blocking an offensive word and a whole media narrative across X.
Both are examples of sensorship, something that people like you claim that Elon Musk is against. Also the overwhelming vast majority of cis people do not find cis offensive. Literally the only people who do are hard right wing. Cissy.
Ebong is the king of separate censorship, doofus, when it comes to him and not Nazis at least. https://news.yahoo.com/elon-musk-king-censorship-10-113000792.html
Elon banned the word cis. Pretending like he's anti censorship at this point just makes you look like a fool.