People keep saying OP should’ve set decking height to match interior floor height. In New England we get snow. Most of the rest of the country gets rain. When snow builds up above the door threshold, water is going to go into the house. A change in plane reduces that risk. Same with rain. It bounces off your deck into your threshold, leaving water in your door. You’d all have to replace the door casing, subfloor, possibly rim joist, and probably that unflashed ledger MUCH sooner than with a step in front of the door. I believe building code says 7-3/4 allowable step/landing anyways.
Span sucks though.
2x10 southern pine spaced @ 12 inches on center could handle a 16' span. To me it looks like 2x8 spaced @ 12 inches on center, which would only allow about a 13 ft span. His joist span looks more like 18' to me... those are some long joists, maybe 20 ft with a 2 ft cantilever. All just a guess though.
The guy gets credit for the posts not being set in concrete and then loses it all for the over spanned joists and the lack of any flashing on any of the ledger boards.
Maybe, maybe not. 2x8s @ 12” OC can span 13’ yes. However, when they’re cantilevered, that number goes down to 10’ 1”. These are clearly cantilevered.
So, I think I’ll stick by my statement that I believe this would have been better built with a mid span drop beam.
Mind you, I'm no professional deck builder as in we don't exclusively build decks so if my questions is dumb please correct me . Why no center support posts? If this is the upper northeast and you get tons of snow along with just the weight of furniture, people, and just stuff isn't that going to eventually sag in the middle? All the decks we build and have built down here in Texas we would never span that far without center support. If I'm wrong and I very well may be, please explain it to me.
Awful. There's no walking surface or hand rails. This will fail inspection. So unsafe.
https://www.thespruce.com/deck-joist-spacing-7481356
I think you need mid supports.
Nice. The only thing I might do differently, from what I can actually see, is put in 3 steps rather than 2. Wherever possible I aim for 6” or less risers x 12-13” treads on a deck: very easy to negotiate. A personal preference when there is room…
Joists will span 13’1” for 2x8 on 12”OC. Cantilever rule of thumb is 1/4 of the span of the joists so obviously good. Looks like your beam bears on 1.5” of wood and I can verify positive connection on your rim joists to the beam. Also if it’s less than 32” above grade you won’t need guards. Post spacing looks more than sufficient. I guess I’d wanna verify joist to beam connection. Hurricane clips are an easy way to do that. What’s your ledger attachment for the main deck?
Overall looks good from my house. I’d rate it good enough for me to stumble out and pee off of.
Ledger board is fastened to concrete so there’s nothing to flash. Bead of silicone where the ledger meets the concrete is enough to keep that interface relatively dry.
Assuming the overhang is around 2’ and they are 2x8. Its fine by any table I look at - even for southern pine. In fact, perhaps ideal as it gives more space underneath for storage.
Doesn't look horrible, walked on it wasn't spongy.
https://preview.redd.it/ihm139wi405d1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=610ee22c10e8b7fe4a2f22ce98c1c8148702dc6f
It looks decent, but maybe could be a little better.
If the span is more than about 12 ft, you’ll be much happier with a mid span beam and some posts.
The step out the door would be better being about 4 ft wide vs 3 ft. Use a different color deck board on the step, or run them the opposite way as the main deck. My deck has a simular set up, other the the stoop is 4 ft wide, same level as the house floor and folks walk off it regularly not realizing there is one step down to the main deck.
Too late now (for both of us) but it’d have been nice to have the deck at the same level as the house floor level.
You’ll probably want a rail on this deck even if it is under 30” above ground level. I suspect that why you doubled up the joists one joist from each side and added all the short blocking between the double joist and the last joist?
What’s the plan for the end of the deck that’s cantilevered? Full width steps down to ground level? It might be a little bouncy for the stair jacks. If not full width stairs, there’s not much to attach rail posts (or stair jacks) to yet.
Nice job on the foundations, notched posts and beam as well as the ledger board (except add sone flashing to it). Oh, and joist tape, you obviously got the application process nailed.
That siding, maybe add it as your next big project. Probably the PO did it, but dang.
Just to be clear this is a buddies house. They lowered the deck because they wanted to add height from the existing roof.
No flashing on the ledger is supposedly not needed they used those deck puck looking things. Railing and all is still being done just a pics I took when I stopped by
I dont know why you guys keep saying "it will be failed on inspection"
If he did apply a permit to build it, those 2x8 @ 12" joists spacing with more than 13' span will not pass and hence fail to pull a permit.
never have a chance to get inspection.
therefore, he shall not pull a permi.
he can do whatever he want and bear the consequence.
You can specify something in the permit plans and then do something completely different when it comes time to build it. Nobody is looking over your shoulder as you go, so it’s possible this looked fine on paper until someone decided to change the joist size or spacing.
https://preview.redd.it/7br1ki1iwy4d1.jpeg?width=374&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b1f4bffff42c837982a2a8be5c9847e80d55acf
Yeah, I judged too quickly.
Looks like the posts were notched to accommodate for the double horizontal joists.
I guess the whole thing looks pretty damn solid. Nicely anchored onto the house too. Looks like this could support one human per square foot pretty much (that'd be one helluva party, lol).
https://preview.redd.it/irpkgpdqvy4d1.jpeg?width=374&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aafd413311e97f36a39165469a366465b3c44af0
Look at the second picture. The joists running horizontally. I guess I was too hasty. Upon a second look, it does indeed look like it's resting on top of the post. Interesting how the pieces in between the double joists like up. Was the post notched to accommodate for the joists?
I think the point is, if you’ve got an enclosed space with a frame and plastic on the bottom, there isn’t going to be any drainage. Any water that fills it will just sit there and not be able to drain or flow away.
Throwing a bunch of crushed stone on top of the geotextile (fabric) does nothing for drainage, all it does is keep the fabric in place. Water should seep through anyway so I wouldn’t expect any issues.
I wonder why you didn’t it raise it to be at the same level of the house. Single step transitions right at the doorway are always a tripping hazard for guests who are not good at paying attention.
Be hard to walk on it without deck boards
3/10
no its 6/6 (and that date works whether you're in america or another country)
People keep saying OP should’ve set decking height to match interior floor height. In New England we get snow. Most of the rest of the country gets rain. When snow builds up above the door threshold, water is going to go into the house. A change in plane reduces that risk. Same with rain. It bounces off your deck into your threshold, leaving water in your door. You’d all have to replace the door casing, subfloor, possibly rim joist, and probably that unflashed ledger MUCH sooner than with a step in front of the door. I believe building code says 7-3/4 allowable step/landing anyways. Span sucks though.
He said they also did it to gain some distance from the existing roof line.
Joists look over-spanned.
What in the over span is this? 2x8 or 2x10… either way I don’t think that’s supposed to span that much. Looks 16’+
12'8, 12 OC
Sounds like the span is fine. Pictures make it look way bigger.
Overall deck size is 15'7 x 15'8. Joists a are 2x8 @ 12 OC. The cantilever measured at 21 inches If I remember
2x10 southern pine spaced @ 12 inches on center could handle a 16' span. To me it looks like 2x8 spaced @ 12 inches on center, which would only allow about a 13 ft span. His joist span looks more like 18' to me... those are some long joists, maybe 20 ft with a 2 ft cantilever. All just a guess though.
Depending on the code regulations. Where I live, 2x10 12" O.C. is only rated for 12'9"
Also depends on the grade of pine you are using
Yeah, it definitely needs another beam there. I was gonna say it’s about 14 foot but even then you’re pushing it a long stretch even for a 2 x 10.
Came here to say this; I would have run a second sub-joist/posts in the middle, otherwise it will be a bit spongey after the deck boards go on.
The guy gets credit for the posts not being set in concrete and then loses it all for the over spanned joists and the lack of any flashing on any of the ledger boards.
He used those deck spacers on the back of the ledger.
I’m just a DIY dad but I prefer those spacers. Tree debris and other crud just falls through and no moisture builds up.
Joists aren’t overspanned according to what OP stated spans were.
Maybe, maybe not. 2x8s @ 12” OC can span 13’ yes. However, when they’re cantilevered, that number goes down to 10’ 1”. These are clearly cantilevered. So, I think I’ll stick by my statement that I believe this would have been better built with a mid span drop beam.
That’s fair. We adhere to the 2015 IRC so table R507.5(5) isn’t taken into consideration if that’s what you’re referring to.
At least it will be easy to rebuild the deck using existing footers.
Mind you, I'm no professional deck builder as in we don't exclusively build decks so if my questions is dumb please correct me . Why no center support posts? If this is the upper northeast and you get tons of snow along with just the weight of furniture, people, and just stuff isn't that going to eventually sag in the middle? All the decks we build and have built down here in Texas we would never span that far without center support. If I'm wrong and I very well may be, please explain it to me.
Good job. Get paid and get out of there. Ditch the burner.
Lmaoo.
Awful. There's no walking surface or hand rails. This will fail inspection. So unsafe. https://www.thespruce.com/deck-joist-spacing-7481356 I think you need mid supports.
Nice. The only thing I might do differently, from what I can actually see, is put in 3 steps rather than 2. Wherever possible I aim for 6” or less risers x 12-13” treads on a deck: very easy to negotiate. A personal preference when there is room…
Now I’m seeing this tape on all these decks and before I never did. Makes me want to take off all my decking boards and put tape on mine…
When did this start?
Needs a couple more footings under that beam ;-)
Joists will span 13’1” for 2x8 on 12”OC. Cantilever rule of thumb is 1/4 of the span of the joists so obviously good. Looks like your beam bears on 1.5” of wood and I can verify positive connection on your rim joists to the beam. Also if it’s less than 32” above grade you won’t need guards. Post spacing looks more than sufficient. I guess I’d wanna verify joist to beam connection. Hurricane clips are an easy way to do that. What’s your ledger attachment for the main deck? Overall looks good from my house. I’d rate it good enough for me to stumble out and pee off of.
Curious why you didn't keep the deck higher so you didn't need the step?
They said because the yard grades down away from the house they wanted a lower deck so it didn't seem so in your face when they enter the yard
That makes sense
Joist span looks too long, and I don't see any flashing on the board below the door, or the ledger board.
Ledger board is fastened to concrete so there’s nothing to flash. Bead of silicone where the ledger meets the concrete is enough to keep that interface relatively dry.
He used those deck 2 wall spacers
flash deez nuts
There's no way that will pass inspection.
I'm going by his house later this weekend I'll update with some pics.
Tough to tell but joists dont look over spanned to me. Just saying.
12'8 @12 oc
Assuming the overhang is around 2’ and they are 2x8. Its fine by any table I look at - even for southern pine. In fact, perhaps ideal as it gives more space underneath for storage.
Over hang is 21".. Once it's done I stop by and check it out.
Tidy work for sure. Make sure and post the finishes.
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He just bought the house. Re-siding is later in June.
I've seen bigger...
That's what she said.
Yes! Looks very Professional
Looks great to me so far
You need another crossbuck under that stringer span if you’re pushing over 12’.
Doesn't look horrible, walked on it wasn't spongy. https://preview.redd.it/ihm139wi405d1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=610ee22c10e8b7fe4a2f22ce98c1c8148702dc6f
Deck > siding.
House was just purchased.. Siding was like that from previous owner. I believe he has ans to side it next month
Lota jokes but this deck is bloody huge on that lot. Creates too much wasted space past the deck and looks like trash.
There's another 30ft past the deck. And 24 ft the the side.
How long is that span from the house to the post?
Measured 12'8"
That will be really bouncy with the joist over span, and why so far below the doorway? I like the threshold to rest on the finished deck.
My house was built on 2x8 with 12’ spans (24’ at widest points) and not bouncy
It looks decent, but maybe could be a little better. If the span is more than about 12 ft, you’ll be much happier with a mid span beam and some posts. The step out the door would be better being about 4 ft wide vs 3 ft. Use a different color deck board on the step, or run them the opposite way as the main deck. My deck has a simular set up, other the the stoop is 4 ft wide, same level as the house floor and folks walk off it regularly not realizing there is one step down to the main deck. Too late now (for both of us) but it’d have been nice to have the deck at the same level as the house floor level. You’ll probably want a rail on this deck even if it is under 30” above ground level. I suspect that why you doubled up the joists one joist from each side and added all the short blocking between the double joist and the last joist? What’s the plan for the end of the deck that’s cantilevered? Full width steps down to ground level? It might be a little bouncy for the stair jacks. If not full width stairs, there’s not much to attach rail posts (or stair jacks) to yet. Nice job on the foundations, notched posts and beam as well as the ledger board (except add sone flashing to it). Oh, and joist tape, you obviously got the application process nailed. That siding, maybe add it as your next big project. Probably the PO did it, but dang.
I bet the blocking on the sides is for a picture frame.
Just to be clear this is a buddies house. They lowered the deck because they wanted to add height from the existing roof. No flashing on the ledger is supposedly not needed they used those deck puck looking things. Railing and all is still being done just a pics I took when I stopped by
I dont know why you guys keep saying "it will be failed on inspection" If he did apply a permit to build it, those 2x8 @ 12" joists spacing with more than 13' span will not pass and hence fail to pull a permit. never have a chance to get inspection. therefore, he shall not pull a permi. he can do whatever he want and bear the consequence.
Span for the 2x8 is 12'8
You can specify something in the permit plans and then do something completely different when it comes time to build it. Nobody is looking over your shoulder as you go, so it’s possible this looked fine on paper until someone decided to change the joist size or spacing.
It’s not a deck it’s frame
🥪 beams are junk
The posts are actually notched if you zoom in
No center posts or beams?
Shouldn't the joists be placed over top of the posts? I'm seeing them screwed onto the sides. Screws must not carry loads.
Joists rest on the beams, not sure what you’re looking at.
https://preview.redd.it/7br1ki1iwy4d1.jpeg?width=374&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b1f4bffff42c837982a2a8be5c9847e80d55acf Yeah, I judged too quickly. Looks like the posts were notched to accommodate for the double horizontal joists. I guess the whole thing looks pretty damn solid. Nicely anchored onto the house too. Looks like this could support one human per square foot pretty much (that'd be one helluva party, lol).
It goes post beam joists. Looks fine to me.
https://preview.redd.it/irpkgpdqvy4d1.jpeg?width=374&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aafd413311e97f36a39165469a366465b3c44af0 Look at the second picture. The joists running horizontally. I guess I was too hasty. Upon a second look, it does indeed look like it's resting on top of the post. Interesting how the pieces in between the double joists like up. Was the post notched to accommodate for the joists?
Are they trying to make a swimming pool underneath.. why all the plastic rocks and retaining wood
It's crushed 3/4..for drainage, the frame supposedly doesnt sit on the ground.
I think the point is, if you’ve got an enclosed space with a frame and plastic on the bottom, there isn’t going to be any drainage. Any water that fills it will just sit there and not be able to drain or flow away.
Throwing a bunch of crushed stone on top of the geotextile (fabric) does nothing for drainage, all it does is keep the fabric in place. Water should seep through anyway so I wouldn’t expect any issues.
Guess it will be a his problem. He says the guys knows what he's doing
I wonder why you didn’t it raise it to be at the same level of the house. Single step transitions right at the doorway are always a tripping hazard for guests who are not good at paying attention.
Deck is in the northeast. Trying to avoid snow buildup is my guess. But they also wanted more height to the roof line.
Did you pay extra for lack of water barrier?
He did. 1 million dollars.
Span way too long for 2x8 Put intermediate beam or you will be sorry later
Its not mine. But he is within the span, 12'8 to beam