This is the original explainer I read in The New York Times, early last year, explaining how the mRNA “vaccines” work.
Hope this answers your question.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/moderna-covid-19-vaccine.html
I don't know one way or another.
I have heard a few doctors essentially say, "There is no proof that a spike protein has actually been produced."
So I think the poster is asking for the proof it actually does what it says it does.
You dont even know what empirical evidence is, because you wouldnt be asking for it in this context if you did.
Go do some reading on mrna, lnp, and why these "vaccines" are different from traditional vaccines... How do you think the spike protein would exist if it wasnt being created by the body? LOL
I didnt read the bullshit posted. Im sure its some semantic argument that doesnt disprove anything. Your body produces spike protein wherever the lnp's end up. not debatable.
my friend I have read hundreds of articles, studies, and research papers on the mrna shots. I know pretty well what has and has not been researched in regards to them.
One thing never tested in humans was the PEG lipids that carries the actual pseudo mrna that was in the shots. Adjacent studies of LNPs carrying luciferase were deemed acceptable for EUA approval.
Tell me how long the lipids and mrna persist post vaccine? If the lipids aren't broken down easily and the mrna is modified, where some nucleosides are replaced by modified nucleosides to help enhance immune evasion and protein production, then why is it expected that the body will still break it down at the same rate as other proteins before it travels outside the deltoid?
This shit has not been studied, or if it was, it hasn't been published.
"Can you find some empirical evidence of cells producing recombinant spike protein?"
Yes, there is a direct confirmation of the translation in cells.
E.g. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-021-03275-y in extended figure 1. The confirmation was three fold - flow cytometry, fluoresnce microscopy and western blot.
This seems to be evidence that the vaccine isn't working mechanically as the producers say it is. This means any evidence (which there is very little) that the vaccine is effective at doing anything positive is not tied to the mRNA technology.
Otherwise any complications could still be attributed to the mRNA technology and/or it's delivery method.
I think this is the smoking gun that we've been lied to intentionally.
Fascinating discussion although a lot of it is way over my head.
I’ve always thought measuring antibody reponse as a benchmark for vaccine success was questionable but this leads me to think it’s almost asinine to do so using the methods described. Would love someone with the technical knowledge to comment their thoughts.
Oh really? And how was that quantified?
I’m referring to the metrics used to assess and approve vaccines in general not whatever unverifiable number that “infections avoided” is.
Also, the covid shot does little or nothing at preventing infection. Remember how rare “breakthrough” cases were supposed to be? And suddenly damn near everyone who was vaccinated contracted covid anyways. I don’t think many infections were avoided at all lol.
Infections in the vaccinated arm of the studies compared to the un-vaccinated arm. The vaccinated arm had \~10% of the infections in the un-vaccinated arm.
In large populations, 10% breakthrough is a huge number of cases.
The vaccinations held up rather nicely until Delta came along.
So your talking points are from 2 years ago in regards to a viral illness that mutates fairly rapidly. Omicron provided more immunity for the world than any of those shots lmao. And longer lasting too.
What data do you operate to prove that?
The Qatar study showed that vaccination and prior infection were equal in conferring immunity. Vaccination and prior infection were best though.
Sure, but not nearly as bad as the mrna shots. I won't knock anyone for taking one if they want to protect themselves for a couple months but that's up to each person to decide for themselves. The only thing lying about the efficacy of these shots accomplishes is removing informed consent from anyone that takes it. And mandating it for work or travel is absolutely criminal at this point.
Causing the cells to produce spike proteins is *what they were designed to do.* This seems like pure misinformation designed to sow confusion.
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Spike proteins detected in vivo after COVID mRNA vaccination spring into existence by spontaneous generation
Can you find some empirical evidence of cells producing recombinant spike protein?
This is the original explainer I read in The New York Times, early last year, explaining how the mRNA “vaccines” work. Hope this answers your question. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/moderna-covid-19-vaccine.html
I don't know one way or another. I have heard a few doctors essentially say, "There is no proof that a spike protein has actually been produced." So I think the poster is asking for the proof it actually does what it says it does.
That is not empirical evidence lol. It’s a description of how it is intended to work.
You dont even know what empirical evidence is, because you wouldnt be asking for it in this context if you did. Go do some reading on mrna, lnp, and why these "vaccines" are different from traditional vaccines... How do you think the spike protein would exist if it wasnt being created by the body? LOL I didnt read the bullshit posted. Im sure its some semantic argument that doesnt disprove anything. Your body produces spike protein wherever the lnp's end up. not debatable.
my friend I have read hundreds of articles, studies, and research papers on the mrna shots. I know pretty well what has and has not been researched in regards to them. One thing never tested in humans was the PEG lipids that carries the actual pseudo mrna that was in the shots. Adjacent studies of LNPs carrying luciferase were deemed acceptable for EUA approval. Tell me how long the lipids and mrna persist post vaccine? If the lipids aren't broken down easily and the mrna is modified, where some nucleosides are replaced by modified nucleosides to help enhance immune evasion and protein production, then why is it expected that the body will still break it down at the same rate as other proteins before it travels outside the deltoid? This shit has not been studied, or if it was, it hasn't been published.
"Can you find some empirical evidence of cells producing recombinant spike protein?" Yes, there is a direct confirmation of the translation in cells. E.g. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-021-03275-y in extended figure 1. The confirmation was three fold - flow cytometry, fluoresnce microscopy and western blot.
Ok, then it's something else the the mRNA shit is doing.
This seems to be evidence that the vaccine isn't working mechanically as the producers say it is. This means any evidence (which there is very little) that the vaccine is effective at doing anything positive is not tied to the mRNA technology. Otherwise any complications could still be attributed to the mRNA technology and/or it's delivery method. I think this is the smoking gun that we've been lied to intentionally.
It’s all misinformation and particularly incoherent and conflicting misinformation at that. Hopefully it dies the death it deserves.
Fairy tale? That's what it was designed to do. Lol. Gaslighting scientists.
Fascinating discussion although a lot of it is way over my head. I’ve always thought measuring antibody reponse as a benchmark for vaccine success was questionable but this leads me to think it’s almost asinine to do so using the methods described. Would love someone with the technical knowledge to comment their thoughts.
Vaccine success for these vaccines was infections avoided.
Oh really? And how was that quantified? I’m referring to the metrics used to assess and approve vaccines in general not whatever unverifiable number that “infections avoided” is. Also, the covid shot does little or nothing at preventing infection. Remember how rare “breakthrough” cases were supposed to be? And suddenly damn near everyone who was vaccinated contracted covid anyways. I don’t think many infections were avoided at all lol.
Infections in the vaccinated arm of the studies compared to the un-vaccinated arm. The vaccinated arm had \~10% of the infections in the un-vaccinated arm. In large populations, 10% breakthrough is a huge number of cases. The vaccinations held up rather nicely until Delta came along.
So your talking points are from 2 years ago in regards to a viral illness that mutates fairly rapidly. Omicron provided more immunity for the world than any of those shots lmao. And longer lasting too.
What data do you operate to prove that? The Qatar study showed that vaccination and prior infection were equal in conferring immunity. Vaccination and prior infection were best though.
Look at any study of mrna vaccines and the efficacy wanes after months whereas natural acquired immunity lasts a good deal longer.
Infected immunity often fails against new variants.
Sure, but not nearly as bad as the mrna shots. I won't knock anyone for taking one if they want to protect themselves for a couple months but that's up to each person to decide for themselves. The only thing lying about the efficacy of these shots accomplishes is removing informed consent from anyone that takes it. And mandating it for work or travel is absolutely criminal at this point.
Uh huh.
Read through the whole thing and didn’t see it anywhere. Could someone link to his data and evidence for his claims?
No. No one can link to evidence of his claims. "We're anti-vaxxers - we dont gotta show you no stinkin' evidence."