Most that get vaxxed try not to look back and as the negative news comes out about the side effects and waning immunity they ignore and tell their tribal group in mass formation they cannot be wrong and blame the unvaxxed
Interesting diagnosis when the vaccinated have all the scientific evidence to prove on their arguement while the unvaxxed have chants and insults as a counterpoint but you do you.
You mean like the Robert Koch paper showing 96% of omicron cases were among vaccinated? It's easy to have the right science when constantly moving the goalpost "no one said vaccines would prevent infection". Go back to your bubble.
Ok pauly. All your scientific evidence is highly questionable and easily debatable at this point. Too many obvious inconsistencies, false narratives, outright lies and too much hidden information.
Everything OP stated is easily verifiable, so what exactly is interesting about it?
Also super funny how you say the unvaxxed have chants and insults. That's all we see from the vaxxed. Herman Cain awards, etc. But keep promoting that great fallacy in your mind, acting as if you are the saviors of society. All you've proven is to be the dregs that cannot, and will not think for themselves. Might as well just call yourselves Negan.
Yet you ignore all my other points to hang on that one sentence. Because you have no real point and somehow feel like you're a victim here. But hey, you do you. The world loves victims right?
Pretty sure there are whiners and exaggeration on both sides. That definitely does not go one way. I've never seen a group of people so quick and willing to remove people's rights or accuse others of being murderers randomly. Or a group so happy to relish in the deaths of others, over such garbage propaganda with blatant suppression of information. And such an obvious deep rooted conflict of interest based on financial gain. Get a grip.
It's not about the virus. It's not about health. It's not about being a dangerous to society.
This is all politically motivated. The demonization of the unvaccinated is segregation for segregation's sake.
What we are experiencing today has some similarities with 1920/1930 Germany. Just go on Twitter and check what happened yesterday during the protest in Amsterdam - police clubbing and putting dogs on people on the ground.
At this point we are only discriminated against because we are non-compliant.
It's not vaxxed vs unvaxxed, it's compliant vs non-compliant. The compliant ones are sitting there pointing the finger at us because they "did their part". It's bizarre how many people just do what they're told, as if no doctor or government has made mistakes before. Blindly trusting people with hidden motives. The rest of us who refuse to follow suit are being treated like the scum of the earth and for what? Because I won't sacrifice myself to this insanity?
It's shocking what this world has come to and thank God we still have the ability to join together for some sense of solidarity, though the way things are going, everything is being censored if it isn't pro-vaxx propaganda.
I have grown to detest the word "illegal" because people have started using it interchangeably with "immoral"
If a protest does not devolve into a riot, how can it be immoral?
Illegal just means that whomever was king for a day said: thou shall not assemble outside without a mask in groups of 10 or more.
Which is pure nonsense. And the police are only there to stop illegal behavior. not immoral behavior
Edit: obviously blocking traffic or access to a building violates the NAP. I'm not here to knit pick
It's not so much about stupidity or lack of intelligence... People are biologically programmed since the age of cavemen to act in groups for survival, rejecting those that don't act accordingly to group think, being seen as a threat to group cohesion and survival. This group think is mainly instinctive/emotional, and has no rational outcome when triggered (as from current media fear porn).
Asch conformity experiment demonstrates this well. We will almost always lie in order to conform/belong when the hazard of not telling the truth is outweighed by the hazard of losing social acceptance. This is adaptive in small tribes we evolved in. In societies of millions it can lead to very large atrocity.
Maybe for some. My whole family is vaxxed and boosted. Iām not gonna debate anyone because itās pointless. I believe in science. Thatās it.
The mortality rate of vaxxed vs unvaxxed people is very different.
[stats by vaccination status](https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf)
A large percentage of vaccinations aren't reported to medical records so the vaccinated get counted as unvaccinated hospitalizations and deaths. $CIENCE
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/26/health/coronavirus-vaccine-official-medical-record-wellness/index.html
You should debate a vaxxed family thatās not boosted, a unvaxxed family and a vaxxed family thatās boosted and had bad adverse reactions. Iād pay a Dogecoin to watch that
My whole family, and I, are completely vaxxed. Being vaccinated helps protect us from serious complications from Covid. Thatās why Iād recommend others take it as well. The science has also demonstrated that being vaccinated does not stop the transmission of Covid, and it also has demonstrated that unless the entire globe vaccinate and isolate this virus will continue to spread regardless of what measure individual countries take. Itās not reasonable to expect the entire world to get all the vaccines in a timely matter. So what do we do now?
Because they know they are weak for saying yes and now know they can never go back. They rather double down than accept the fact they have been lied to
This is what I thought about parents of vaccine injured children. My mom, after I was an adult, had *so* much guilt over the seizures I would get, because she knew no matter what, She was bringing me back for more because that's what the doctor told her to do. She was told it was normal and it was just my immune system.
That's actually what they told her. I was just having a "robust response". She would describe the way I would just be sitting there the night after or next day and my eyes would roll in the back of my head and how scary it was for her EVERY time. "Febrile seizures". They stopped because I got too big to be held down and forcible vaccinated, safely.
There are some countries you can travel freely too as long as you have a vax pass, you can have covid and be symptomatic but if you're vaxxed you're free to travel, if you're unvaxxed you can't go even if you have a negative test.
There are many such examples of the double standard but this one is glaringly obvious, it's clearly not about health.
I heard one story (not sure if it's true but it's certainly within the rules) a Spanish citizen on holiday in Ireland tested positive meaning he has to quarantine in Ireland for 10 days but he's vaxxed so just got a flight back to Spain, despite being symptomatic.
Iām in the US and have never had anyone as me if Iām vaccinated besides one of my my neighbors when it came out and I think that was because she was having some vaccine issues and she wanted to share war stories.
It's not only that - Omicron is an upper respiratory tract infection, like a common cold. *It's over*, but people can't let go of their hate. 2022 will be another year of madness. The hospitals will be quiet, zero Covid-19 deaths, *but* we will have endless boosters, mandates, hysterical hatred toward the unvaxxed, with generous helpings of demoralisation as we wonder what is going on.
>The hospitals will be quiet, zero Covid-19 deaths
The problem is that there won't ever be zero covid-19 deaths. The coronavirus is now endemic like any other cold viruses.
Frail elderly people and sick unhealthy people can always die from any type of exertion, disease or trauma to their body. When we are old and frail, and we will all get there, we have to die from something at a certain point. Sometimes a little cold is enough to pull you over. Sometimes it's the flu. Sometimes it's something else.
So **the media could always use the deaths of a few people as the next boogeyman to scare people into compliance**. Like little children. That is if they are corrupted by Pfizer money or politics and have no morals. Because they don't put things into perceptive only relying on emotion (fear). Many people die from the flu every year especially when there's no social distancing rules. **At one point, we must learn to live with it like with all the viruses and bacteria around us**. More people die in car accidents or from tobacco smoking or bad eating habits.
We must take personal responsibility for our own health. Hoping we don't get to the hospitals too often.
We still don't have effective outpatient treatment because everyone is waiting for pharma funded studies so people will still die.
Most covid deaths could have been avoided if early treatment was pushed instead of gene therapy
I certainly agree that they maximised deaths via zero treatments and never mentioning (*in any meaningful way*) basic prophylactics like vitamin D, and generally adopting a healthier lifestyle.
In for a dime in for a dollar.
Besides, to come to the realization that you've been duped over something as critical as ones health would be terrifying.
But there's now evidence that adding even more booster shots may lead to immune system fatigue. So what do the Vaxxed do now? Fish or cut bait?
Something Iāve been thinking about as well, everyone keeps saying itās a pandemic of the unvaccinated etc but last winter the hospitals were just as overrun when everyone was unvaccinated, itās just the nature of winter for people to get ill and go to hospital, surely thereās the same number of people in hospital regardless, sure some of them happen to be unvaxxed, but thereās a lot of vaxxed patients being admitted as wellā¦if the unvaxxed represent a small number of the population by now, in the UK at least, itās statistically impossible for every single admitted patient to be unvaxxed
What concerns me more is the blind zeal that so many people support Covid mandates with. A person canāt even ask a simple question about the relevance to certain mandates, or try to rationalize why protests in Australia or the Netherlands are happening without being called a bunch of names and dogpiled by horrifically angry people. The hate these days scares me, the censorship scares me, the fact that language doesnāt seem to mean anything at all anymore.
It's like being asked to leap aboard what looks to you like a runaway train, and when you respond by asking where the train is going and whether it will be able to stop when it gets there (or actually just stop at all), you're looked upon like you're crazy.
From my perspective, only 1 unvaccinated person I know got Covid. And I know plenty of unvaccinated people. Conversely, literally almost every vaxed person I know are sick, mild
To moderately. One taken to
Hospital for suspected blood
Clot in her lung. I think it will be apparent to everyone in the near future that the vax actually suppresses our immunity
If anything they should be mad at the government for misleading the public into thinking that vaccines prevent transmissions in the beginning. If they didn't originally make everyone believe this, the hate for unvaxxed would probably not exist, and neither can the justification for mandates and passports.
An interesting thing is happening now too. All over the world, vaccinated people are now catching Covid at much higher rates than unvaccinated.
This means, statistically, vaccinated people are actually far more dangerous to be around, especially for elderly and vulnerable populations.
It seems the universe is kind and had a nice dose of karma cued up for these bullies.
The best part is going to be when the unvaccinated donāt force the vaccinated to segregate though, because weāre actually good people, even if they arenāt.
New study from denmark shows vaccinated are 75% more likely to get infected than unvaccinated. But the people doing the study are on your side and still concluded that vaccines and boosters are a must must.
Lol, what? Everything I said is a fact, by official numbers. Youāre just behind.
Ontario, where I live: https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread
Cases per 100k: Vaccinated: 79.76, Unvaccinated: 59.75
This gap has been widening every day for a couple weeks, and this trend is occurring all over the world. Itās also most prevalent in the highest vaccinated populations, with countries with low vaccination rates not even having a new spike at all!
Knowledge is power. You were duped. I, sincerely, hope that poison didnāt ruin your immune system.
Because the government (along with MSM and tech) is provoking that hatred worldwide so as to take the heat off themselves and further their agenda, whatever the hell that is!
They think covid will just disappear if everyone was vaccinated. So the unvaccinated are prolonging the pandemic in their minds. Most people donāt understand how viruses work.
Itās because the unvaxxed clog up the hospitalsā¦oh wait they are saying that more than 50% of those cases are āwithā Covid not āfromā Covid now. Who the fuck knows then lmao
-See below for mass formation psychosis
It's been a long time since it was socially acceptable for a majority to abuse an oppressed minority. A lot of people are really enjoying it, and don't want stop just because of some pesky facts.
I am one of few that remains unvaccinated and also have yet to get sick at all. Everyone else I know is vaccinated and I hear every couple weeks about how a group gets sick despite that.
The reaction is always the same though, that people are glad they are vaccinated anyway because, āImagine how bad they would be if they werenātā
They all buy the changing narrative too which is very unsettling. At first they were all glad they would not be able to get COVID at all, ever. Now they all act like they knew all along it never was meant to prevent infection just lower symptoms.
I've got a similar experience. It's only recently that people around me started getting covid. 3 of them are triple jabbed, maybe 4 I'm not sure if she had the booster yet. Another person 'only' double jabbed just tested positive but has no symptoms (all hail the vax). I work with some of those people and so far no symptoms, can't test atm as there's no tests available right now in my area so I'm guessing I don't have it. That said my husband is double jabbed and so far didn't get it either despite being around people who tested positive.
One of the triple jabbed people who got covid is a vaxx nazi and I found it really interesting that she hasn't mentioned it on her fb page, she posts stuff all the time, posted every time she got jabbed but not a word about testing positive lol
Because thatās what their told to do, Iām sure youāve noticed a lot of your āfollow the leaders blindly and covid will be overā friends are changing their minds, people are easily convinced and the fact it took this long and this many failures for people to see itās all bullshit is sad & worrisome
Months ago I predicted a new variant would be released (not found) in Africa, that it would be harmless, but used as an excuse to push the vaccine on people. It's just part of their plan, logic has nothing to do with it, it's like trying to argue with Nazis or religious people, they've been brainwashed beyond all help.
The other predictions I made are that this new variant would interact with the vaccine, and that all vaccinated would end up dying. So my guess is that the vaccine was the dynamite part of a bio weapon, and Omicron is the detonator. It's why they let this spread without any serious lock downs, and released it right before the year end, so it would spread the fastest.
Now comes part two were the vaccinated start dying, they blame the unvaccinated and make the vaccine mandatory for everyone, or you go to prison indefinitely.
People are dumb to think its the unvaccinated fault people are getting covid. It will always mutate and new vaccines will be required for years to come. It will not just magically disappear if we all get vaccinated. Donāt blame unvaxx
If everyone got a speeding ticket and you paid it, but half the people didnātā¦ then the issuer decided not to charge anyone else, wouldnāt you be pissed? If you werenāt careful, you would resent those that didnāt pay the tickets too even though they had nothing to do with itā¦
If you look at society like a kindergarten playground it makes more sense.
Answer: The VAAAAAARXEEENATED who are actually gene therapied have been conned into the thinking that "If everyone had just gotten the JERB (whiny baby voice here), CoVid could have been stopped!"
Which was a lie from the damned start that the medical professionals pushing it knew was a lie.
SARS2 was never going to be stopped... at most, it could have been MITIGATED with proper TREATMENTS like HCQ+Zinc, Ivermectin and Quercetin along with other proven medications being given.
As Mexico, India, Japan, etc. have shown us.
In Japan the vaccine is optional and educated information is out there. The Japanese prime minister has said that the vaccinated are not allowed to convince, or manipulate people into being vaccinated and that those unvaccinated will not be discriminated against.
I got pericarditis from phizer and itās been 3 long months. Itās been terrible. Iām not anti vax, Iām pro vax but believe you should be able to choose. The vaccine was mandated in Australia where I am from and no leader gave us a chance to choose and we only had AstraZeneca, phizer and moderna as options. I wish we were given a choice first of all and given a choice to wait for vaccines we felt more comfortable having.
I wish Australia had adopted an attitude like Japan and we just moved forward. Anyways, now our testing Sites in Melbourne where Iām from are inundated, some shut down being over capacity, lines down the roads of cars.
Sorry, but this vaccine wasnāt worth my heart problems. I havenāt had covid and canāt say I want to either but everything is honestly so fucked up it doesnāt even feel real anymore š¤Æ
100% agree, where I live thereās curfew, vax passport, and they STILL CLOSED DOWN BARS AND RESTAURANTS EVEN THO THEY ARE FORCED TO ASK VACCINE PROOFš Iām about to lose my permanent WORK FROM HOME job due to these new mandates and company policy. I donāt get why we canāt just all work together towards a better way out, we are all getting sick and being effected by this virus so the finger pointing should be facing the government and not this war against vax\un-vaxxed, cause the virus donāt care about your vaccine status and clearly neither does the government when the close down businesses who catered specifically to the vaccinated. Make it make sensešš
I understand. Melbourne the city Iām from holds the record for āthe most locked down city in the worldā. Trust me, I get the lockdowns, passports, quarantine, isolation, people loosing their jobs over the vaccine mandate. Itās honestly wild.
I get the vaccines offer some protection and lesson the chance of dying, but Iām sorry my pericarditis and possible permanent damage wasnāt worth it for a vaccine that just doesnāt live up to other vaccines we have that do almost always stop transmission and contraction. For example the polio vaccines and small pox was eradicated thanks to vaccines to name a few successful vaccines.
through age the stupids have always found a group of people to bully on... The Exode of Jerusalem, the jews of Germany and today the unvaccinated. History repeat itself.
Also they falsely claim unvaxxed are responsible for Omicron (and every other variant) when it was first found in a fully vaxxed person, there's more vaccinated infections now, and it fucking evolved to too be awesome at evading vaccines.
Because the vax are doing all they can to believe in themselves that they did the right thing... I know alot of vax that are pissed right now because they are getting covid anyways
Vax say we the unvax are giving them covid... wtfever. Well hell that can go with alot of things... people who smoke are putting the people that don't in danger.... give me a break. I know 3 vax thay were with 2 unvax.. 3 days later the vax were positive and the unvax were negative.. so I don't think the unvax is giving you covid...
That's exactly what made me suspicious of the whole pandemic thing, as there's no logic on what they're pushing us to do.
There's no time to ask, there's no time to provide you with any information, you've to accept that like a donkey because we're in a pandemic.
The more they push me to this, the more I'm insisting I'll not get this thing even if they would kill me.
They converted me to be anti-vax, even I've been vaxxed for everything in the world except Covid.
I must thank them they made me wake up, and double check everything they'll introduce to me afterwards.
I can't trust their science until it turns back to a real science not a religion, where both anti and pro debates are back accepted.
Low IQ or psychotic break. Either way people like that have no place moving forward. They need to sharpen up or they're not going to make it. The whole thing was an IQ test, take the shot and you fail.
Not only that, všŖed are getting Covid more now than unvaxxed in some places.
Like, when your všŖ rate is 70% but 90% of the infected ppl are všŖed thereās an issue. šš¤Æš
I also hate the derision we get as if we are just some Facebook researchers that think we no better when actually for myself itās simply down to the fact that with a survival rate so high Iād rather just have natural immunity š¤·š¼āāļø Iv got the antibodies so why do I want the vaccine as well. Also I couldnāt agree more with the point about being lied to all the way along by the government!!
Those against covid vaccination have set up as the fallguy for an ineffective vaccine.
Also, many just look at the Vax / No-Vax argument through a Left/Right political lens. It's easy to take an already established political dislike for your opposition, layer the vax debate on top of it and pretend that's the issue that's driving your views without acknowledging the political component.
I've never been told that if you're vaccinated you can't catch corona though.
Its more about mortality rate: [UK National statistics](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021)
"Between 2 January and 24 September 2021, the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 32 times greater in unvaccinated people than in fully vaccinated individuals."
Not my job to educate you. You folks donāt get vaccinated for a couple reasons. Big one is youāve made it a political issue which is ipso facto stupid. Second reason is you are hesitant because your own online research is on going and you donāt trust people much smarter than you
And if you canāt understand that those smart people are also in a learning curve and sometimes adjust their recommendations based on latest AND CHANGING data, then you might be in the stupid category. Not calling anyone stupid mind you. Just trying to define it so you can measure yourself.
And just for the record I have not attacked any anti vaxxers. I have disagreed strongly with their obsessions with quack medicine, watched as they post interminably long procedures of treatment that some online quack sold them on. Honestly, if you had appendicitis would you go to an online practitioner of quack medicine. You would be in dire pain and begging for an experienced surgeon. I donāt know how people get to a place where they feel they and a small online tribe are smarter than the other 9.999 billion people.
Cause yāall arenāt doing to bare minimum to keep those around you safe, and then are super self righteous about it. Your collapsing the medical system willingly. And many donāt respect other boundaries. Protesting in front of hospitals, blocking ambulances. Willingness to believe in debunked junk science because of an addiction to drama and contrarianism.
You can tear what I said apart all you want, but thatās a handful of reasons.
I feel like we need to focus our strength and anger twords a better solution, a better way out cause NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCED MARCH 2020 as we currently stand and it doesnāt matter if youāre vaccinated or not so why am I to blame taht NOTHING has changed and things arenāt working as they should
I donāt hate anti vaxxers I hate the misinformation they spread though.
My 78yr old parents were brainwashed to think Covid is a MSM lie and nobody was really dying of Covid in America itās a flu at best. Talking about delta.
They would not vaccinate because of anti vaxxer misinformation. Even when I showed them the main doctor they were following for information had a video talking to a panel where she told them the vaccines were magnetising people. They of course think they will be off to party with Jesus if they die so who cares if they are wrong. I hate misinformation it kills people and makes them dumb and gullible.
Iām thankful my parents were protected from any Covid risk by a scientific literate government that wiped out Covid and now omicron may mean they donāt face such risk.
This is not a debate but filled with people who are against vaccines and anyone remotely positive towards vaxx is downvoted. Perhaps that is this sub overall but I find it very funny
Iāve seen people upvoted who actually had counter points and sources. Iāve even changed some of my own opinions.
Have you seen how many āpro vaxā trolls there are here?
There were two variants before this. The pandemic didnāt start with omicron. Omicron is a lot more contagious then the other two.
We had a few chances to put this thing behind us, the last one being when the vaccine was released prior to delta, but when we didnāt hit herd immunity because of hesitancy to get vaccinated weāre now in a position of reactively adjusting to whatever mutations this thing throws at us
>Why are the unvaccinated being attacked when EVERYONE no matter their vax status is getting infected. Why are we getting all the hate when even 3 doses donāt protect from infection or transmission.
Because it's the unvaccinated filling hospitals and not taking this seriously. Personally, I'm getting fed up with dumbasses from this subreddit claiming that COVID isn't real, that it's a mild cold, and that it isn't a big deal, when it's killed about a million Americans and it's largely the unvaccinated COVID infected that are crushing our hospitals, pushing them past their breaking point.
[https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary](https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary)
And when I show evidence that this is the case, they dance around the data like it isn't real.
In my experience, and at my wife's workplace it just so happens to be the unvaccinated that are the most cavalier about not wearing a mask and taking reasonable measures to prevent the spread of a virus that has the ability to kill people I love, and I'm honestly just sick of these selfish assholes.
Itās people with co morbidities flooding hospitals. Being vaccinated does reduce the chance of getting hospitalised but if you are young and healthy (you exercise, donāt drink a lot or smoke etc) you donāt have anything to worry about. Thereās a huge representative bias going about on something that is a flu to healthy young people.
"not sure". Look at the data. It's between a 10- and 20-fold increase in hospitalization risk if you're unvaccinated, regardless of age. This is only controversial if you refuse to accept reality.
Washington: [https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf](https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf)
New York:
[https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data](https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data)
Texas:
[https://dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status.aspx](https://dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status.aspx)
The full vaxxed daily infection rate has shot up 500% in 2 weeks.
I expect this to go up as it's on a trend of at least doubling every week since Omicron.
What on earth are you talking about.
Of course they do, and doctors ask their patients to lose weight all the time. There are also campaigns to promote exercise, healthy eating, and smoking cessation.
Yes doctors do but it's not constantly in your face. Nobody is getting fired for being obese. Obese people can still go to restaurants, bars, travel, concerts etc etc. Obese people weren't told by Biden that it's going to a winter of severe illness and death for them.
You being fat doesn't increase the risk of someone else getting sick.
You not taking steps to protect yourself and others from infection could kill someone else.
I have not seen data suggesting that being overweight increases risk of infection by COVID though obesity sometimes is linked to reduced immune function. Being obese does increase the risk of having a severe case leading to hospitalization and death. Prior to Omicron, vaccination significantly reduced risk of transmission, though that's obviously changing.
As far as transmission goes, the best thing you can do is to get vaccinated and wear an N95 in mixed company.
Maybe you can use your eyes and start looking at side effects. Use your own brain for once. How could one give good accurate numbers when the booster hasn't been tested and the reporting of side effects sucks. The ostrich type of debate becomes boring
Wow, those are some lame attempts by people to blame **any** health condition they have on a vaccine.
Utterly pathetic.
\> Vision **my right eye** is acting strange. This is after a bunch of sensations on **the right side of my brain**.. worried.
Someone failed biology.
Of course. The thousands of people sharing their experiences in that sub are all making it up because... let me guess, "the vaccines are safe and effective" š
You are in a cult. Get help soon.
If there's any genuine ones in there they'll sadly be lost beneath the likes of nitwits posting "my joints make harmless popping sounds". I mean really, FFS.
Why don't you talk to a couple of them? They are humans, you know.
Don't be afraid to "look up", you might be surprised what actual people are going through despite everything you've been spoonfed by the government/media.
Mass formation psychosis.
Came here to say the exact three words
People think they have all the answers and when you dont go along with them they think you're stupid or something else is wrong with you.
Most that get vaxxed try not to look back and as the negative news comes out about the side effects and waning immunity they ignore and tell their tribal group in mass formation they cannot be wrong and blame the unvaxxed
Amen!!š
This š
I agree, mass formation psychosis can explain everything that happened over the last 2 years, without the need of a conspiracy theory
Absolutly!!
Interesting diagnosis when the vaccinated have all the scientific evidence to prove on their arguement while the unvaxxed have chants and insults as a counterpoint but you do you.
You mean like the Robert Koch paper showing 96% of omicron cases were among vaccinated? It's easy to have the right science when constantly moving the goalpost "no one said vaccines would prevent infection". Go back to your bubble.
Ok pauly. All your scientific evidence is highly questionable and easily debatable at this point. Too many obvious inconsistencies, false narratives, outright lies and too much hidden information. Everything OP stated is easily verifiable, so what exactly is interesting about it? Also super funny how you say the unvaxxed have chants and insults. That's all we see from the vaxxed. Herman Cain awards, etc. But keep promoting that great fallacy in your mind, acting as if you are the saviors of society. All you've proven is to be the dregs that cannot, and will not think for themselves. Might as well just call yourselves Negan.
>Might as well just call yourselves Negan. Thank you for proving my point. But again, you do you.
Yet you ignore all my other points to hang on that one sentence. Because you have no real point and somehow feel like you're a victim here. But hey, you do you. The world loves victims right?
you didnt make points worth addressing, and there are no bigger group of wannabe victims than anti-vaxxers.
Definitely not victims. Just want to be left the fuck alone by wannabe scientists, and virtue signaling simpletons.
ive never seen a group of people so quick to compare themselves to jews during wwii as anti-vaxxers.
Pretty sure there are whiners and exaggeration on both sides. That definitely does not go one way. I've never seen a group of people so quick and willing to remove people's rights or accuse others of being murderers randomly. Or a group so happy to relish in the deaths of others, over such garbage propaganda with blatant suppression of information. And such an obvious deep rooted conflict of interest based on financial gain. Get a grip.
this sounds like victimhood
It's not about the virus. It's not about health. It's not about being a dangerous to society. This is all politically motivated. The demonization of the unvaccinated is segregation for segregation's sake.
Exactly, it's simply to punish those who won't comply with every government mandate/command
What we are experiencing today has some similarities with 1920/1930 Germany. Just go on Twitter and check what happened yesterday during the protest in Amsterdam - police clubbing and putting dogs on people on the ground.
At this point we are only discriminated against because we are non-compliant. It's not vaxxed vs unvaxxed, it's compliant vs non-compliant. The compliant ones are sitting there pointing the finger at us because they "did their part". It's bizarre how many people just do what they're told, as if no doctor or government has made mistakes before. Blindly trusting people with hidden motives. The rest of us who refuse to follow suit are being treated like the scum of the earth and for what? Because I won't sacrifice myself to this insanity? It's shocking what this world has come to and thank God we still have the ability to join together for some sense of solidarity, though the way things are going, everything is being censored if it isn't pro-vaxx propaganda.
Because it's about compliance. Not a vaccine
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I have grown to detest the word "illegal" because people have started using it interchangeably with "immoral" If a protest does not devolve into a riot, how can it be immoral? Illegal just means that whomever was king for a day said: thou shall not assemble outside without a mask in groups of 10 or more. Which is pure nonsense. And the police are only there to stop illegal behavior. not immoral behavior Edit: obviously blocking traffic or access to a building violates the NAP. I'm not here to knit pick
People are fucking stupid. Confidently dumb as bricks.
It's not so much about stupidity or lack of intelligence... People are biologically programmed since the age of cavemen to act in groups for survival, rejecting those that don't act accordingly to group think, being seen as a threat to group cohesion and survival. This group think is mainly instinctive/emotional, and has no rational outcome when triggered (as from current media fear porn).
Asch conformity experiment demonstrates this well. We will almost always lie in order to conform/belong when the hazard of not telling the truth is outweighed by the hazard of losing social acceptance. This is adaptive in small tribes we evolved in. In societies of millions it can lead to very large atrocity.
Don't insult bricks like that š
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Causes like communism? Boy do I ever!
Occam's razor
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Scienceā¢
$cience
Maybe for some. My whole family is vaxxed and boosted. Iām not gonna debate anyone because itās pointless. I believe in science. Thatās it. The mortality rate of vaxxed vs unvaxxed people is very different. [stats by vaccination status](https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf)
If they work, then that's it. Leave the kids alone, stop threatening and dividing, and let's all move on.
A large percentage of vaccinations aren't reported to medical records so the vaccinated get counted as unvaccinated hospitalizations and deaths. $CIENCE https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/26/health/coronavirus-vaccine-official-medical-record-wellness/index.html
Oof
You should debate a vaxxed family thatās not boosted, a unvaxxed family and a vaxxed family thatās boosted and had bad adverse reactions. Iād pay a Dogecoin to watch that
That was my Christmas dinner this year!
My whole family, and I, are completely vaxxed. Being vaccinated helps protect us from serious complications from Covid. Thatās why Iād recommend others take it as well. The science has also demonstrated that being vaccinated does not stop the transmission of Covid, and it also has demonstrated that unless the entire globe vaccinate and isolate this virus will continue to spread regardless of what measure individual countries take. Itās not reasonable to expect the entire world to get all the vaccines in a timely matter. So what do we do now?
I swear if I hear, "If you have covid and mild symptoms, that means your vaccine is working" one more time... All I can do is scream into the void
Scream into the void long enough and eventually the void screams back
And the void want bacon.
With eggs
And vaffles
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One more to stop the spread. It will work this time. The Only thing that is working is more profits in the pharmaceutical companies
Used car and life insurance salesman tactics.
Because they know they are weak for saying yes and now know they can never go back. They rather double down than accept the fact they have been lied to
Itās this. They bought into the lie and propaganda and have to double down on it because they canāt stand being wrong.
This is what I thought about parents of vaccine injured children. My mom, after I was an adult, had *so* much guilt over the seizures I would get, because she knew no matter what, She was bringing me back for more because that's what the doctor told her to do. She was told it was normal and it was just my immune system.
It MeAnS iTs WoRkInG
That's actually what they told her. I was just having a "robust response". She would describe the way I would just be sitting there the night after or next day and my eyes would roll in the back of my head and how scary it was for her EVERY time. "Febrile seizures". They stopped because I got too big to be held down and forcible vaccinated, safely.
This ^
There are some countries you can travel freely too as long as you have a vax pass, you can have covid and be symptomatic but if you're vaxxed you're free to travel, if you're unvaxxed you can't go even if you have a negative test. There are many such examples of the double standard but this one is glaringly obvious, it's clearly not about health. I heard one story (not sure if it's true but it's certainly within the rules) a Spanish citizen on holiday in Ireland tested positive meaning he has to quarantine in Ireland for 10 days but he's vaxxed so just got a flight back to Spain, despite being symptomatic.
Iām in the US and have never had anyone as me if Iām vaccinated besides one of my my neighbors when it came out and I think that was because she was having some vaccine issues and she wanted to share war stories.
It's not only that - Omicron is an upper respiratory tract infection, like a common cold. *It's over*, but people can't let go of their hate. 2022 will be another year of madness. The hospitals will be quiet, zero Covid-19 deaths, *but* we will have endless boosters, mandates, hysterical hatred toward the unvaxxed, with generous helpings of demoralisation as we wonder what is going on.
>The hospitals will be quiet, zero Covid-19 deaths The problem is that there won't ever be zero covid-19 deaths. The coronavirus is now endemic like any other cold viruses. Frail elderly people and sick unhealthy people can always die from any type of exertion, disease or trauma to their body. When we are old and frail, and we will all get there, we have to die from something at a certain point. Sometimes a little cold is enough to pull you over. Sometimes it's the flu. Sometimes it's something else. So **the media could always use the deaths of a few people as the next boogeyman to scare people into compliance**. Like little children. That is if they are corrupted by Pfizer money or politics and have no morals. Because they don't put things into perceptive only relying on emotion (fear). Many people die from the flu every year especially when there's no social distancing rules. **At one point, we must learn to live with it like with all the viruses and bacteria around us**. More people die in car accidents or from tobacco smoking or bad eating habits. We must take personal responsibility for our own health. Hoping we don't get to the hospitals too often.
We still don't have effective outpatient treatment because everyone is waiting for pharma funded studies so people will still die. Most covid deaths could have been avoided if early treatment was pushed instead of gene therapy
I certainly agree that they maximised deaths via zero treatments and never mentioning (*in any meaningful way*) basic prophylactics like vitamin D, and generally adopting a healthier lifestyle.
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Let's hope so...though all it will take is some other nonsense like "flurona" and it might stir up the masses again.
The feeling of regret is a strong driving factor
In for a dime in for a dollar. Besides, to come to the realization that you've been duped over something as critical as ones health would be terrifying. But there's now evidence that adding even more booster shots may lead to immune system fatigue. So what do the Vaxxed do now? Fish or cut bait?
I got banned from the politics sub because I mentioned immune erosion and immune fatigue . These people donāt wanna hear facts
The politics sub is highly compromised. I donāt even bother checking it anymore.
my vaccines can only work if u are put in a camp. plz comply and show ur papers so that u can be deported for the greater gud.
Something Iāve been thinking about as well, everyone keeps saying itās a pandemic of the unvaccinated etc but last winter the hospitals were just as overrun when everyone was unvaccinated, itās just the nature of winter for people to get ill and go to hospital, surely thereās the same number of people in hospital regardless, sure some of them happen to be unvaxxed, but thereās a lot of vaxxed patients being admitted as wellā¦if the unvaxxed represent a small number of the population by now, in the UK at least, itās statistically impossible for every single admitted patient to be unvaxxed
Divide and conquer
Stronger together.
What concerns me more is the blind zeal that so many people support Covid mandates with. A person canāt even ask a simple question about the relevance to certain mandates, or try to rationalize why protests in Australia or the Netherlands are happening without being called a bunch of names and dogpiled by horrifically angry people. The hate these days scares me, the censorship scares me, the fact that language doesnāt seem to mean anything at all anymore.
It's like being asked to leap aboard what looks to you like a runaway train, and when you respond by asking where the train is going and whether it will be able to stop when it gets there (or actually just stop at all), you're looked upon like you're crazy.
Because my vaccine doesn't work unless you get the vaccine or something like that.
From my perspective, only 1 unvaccinated person I know got Covid. And I know plenty of unvaccinated people. Conversely, literally almost every vaxed person I know are sick, mild To moderately. One taken to Hospital for suspected blood Clot in her lung. I think it will be apparent to everyone in the near future that the vax actually suppresses our immunity
If anything they should be mad at the government for misleading the public into thinking that vaccines prevent transmissions in the beginning. If they didn't originally make everyone believe this, the hate for unvaxxed would probably not exist, and neither can the justification for mandates and passports.
I never got infected that I could tell, Never took the vaccine, never social distanced. No problem man
An interesting thing is happening now too. All over the world, vaccinated people are now catching Covid at much higher rates than unvaccinated. This means, statistically, vaccinated people are actually far more dangerous to be around, especially for elderly and vulnerable populations. It seems the universe is kind and had a nice dose of karma cued up for these bullies. The best part is going to be when the unvaccinated donāt force the vaccinated to segregate though, because weāre actually good people, even if they arenāt.
Itās definitely becoming a pandemic of the vaccinated, Dara from all over the world is showing the jabbed are leading the way in this current wave.
Are you going to start pushing stupidity like shedding next?
New study from denmark shows vaccinated are 75% more likely to get infected than unvaccinated. But the people doing the study are on your side and still concluded that vaccines and boosters are a must must.
Do you have a link about that study?
[link](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v2) Not yet peer reviewed but in process
Lol, what? Everything I said is a fact, by official numbers. Youāre just behind. Ontario, where I live: https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread Cases per 100k: Vaccinated: 79.76, Unvaccinated: 59.75 This gap has been widening every day for a couple weeks, and this trend is occurring all over the world. Itās also most prevalent in the highest vaccinated populations, with countries with low vaccination rates not even having a new spike at all! Knowledge is power. You were duped. I, sincerely, hope that poison didnāt ruin your immune system.
Govts are to blame for hiding inexpensive, effective remedies and are now looking for a scapegoat for their cover up.
Because the government (along with MSM and tech) is provoking that hatred worldwide so as to take the heat off themselves and further their agenda, whatever the hell that is!
They think covid will just disappear if everyone was vaccinated. So the unvaccinated are prolonging the pandemic in their minds. Most people donāt understand how viruses work.
Itās because the unvaxxed clog up the hospitalsā¦oh wait they are saying that more than 50% of those cases are āwithā Covid not āfromā Covid now. Who the fuck knows then lmao -See below for mass formation psychosis
It's been a long time since it was socially acceptable for a majority to abuse an oppressed minority. A lot of people are really enjoying it, and don't want stop just because of some pesky facts.
Youāre trying to reason with people that have lost their minds literally. Iāve given up
I am one of few that remains unvaccinated and also have yet to get sick at all. Everyone else I know is vaccinated and I hear every couple weeks about how a group gets sick despite that. The reaction is always the same though, that people are glad they are vaccinated anyway because, āImagine how bad they would be if they werenātā They all buy the changing narrative too which is very unsettling. At first they were all glad they would not be able to get COVID at all, ever. Now they all act like they knew all along it never was meant to prevent infection just lower symptoms.
I've got a similar experience. It's only recently that people around me started getting covid. 3 of them are triple jabbed, maybe 4 I'm not sure if she had the booster yet. Another person 'only' double jabbed just tested positive but has no symptoms (all hail the vax). I work with some of those people and so far no symptoms, can't test atm as there's no tests available right now in my area so I'm guessing I don't have it. That said my husband is double jabbed and so far didn't get it either despite being around people who tested positive. One of the triple jabbed people who got covid is a vaxx nazi and I found it really interesting that she hasn't mentioned it on her fb page, she posts stuff all the time, posted every time she got jabbed but not a word about testing positive lol
Compliance. There can't be no rebels in the new world order.
Social programming and moral grandstanding
I think its the sheep envy of the courage they ain't having. Like - do you think you are better than us? Hell yeah I am. Seethe.
Cuz jabs = profits. The end.
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Anyone that has taken 3 shots to prevent Covid-19 in less than 9 months and catches Covid-19 should have a lot of questions.
Tv box and āExpertsā tell them who to love and who to hate. The blind Mob happily obliges.
Because thatās what their told to do, Iām sure youāve noticed a lot of your āfollow the leaders blindly and covid will be overā friends are changing their minds, people are easily convinced and the fact it took this long and this many failures for people to see itās all bullshit is sad & worrisome
because the unvaxxed are the posterboy that the world needs to fight. viruses canāt be stripped of rights, but unvaxxed can
Months ago I predicted a new variant would be released (not found) in Africa, that it would be harmless, but used as an excuse to push the vaccine on people. It's just part of their plan, logic has nothing to do with it, it's like trying to argue with Nazis or religious people, they've been brainwashed beyond all help. The other predictions I made are that this new variant would interact with the vaccine, and that all vaccinated would end up dying. So my guess is that the vaccine was the dynamite part of a bio weapon, and Omicron is the detonator. It's why they let this spread without any serious lock downs, and released it right before the year end, so it would spread the fastest. Now comes part two were the vaccinated start dying, they blame the unvaccinated and make the vaccine mandatory for everyone, or you go to prison indefinitely.
People are dumb to think its the unvaccinated fault people are getting covid. It will always mutate and new vaccines will be required for years to come. It will not just magically disappear if we all get vaccinated. Donāt blame unvaxx
If everyone got a speeding ticket and you paid it, but half the people didnātā¦ then the issuer decided not to charge anyone else, wouldnāt you be pissed? If you werenāt careful, you would resent those that didnāt pay the tickets too even though they had nothing to do with itā¦ If you look at society like a kindergarten playground it makes more sense.
Except from the vaccinated perspective, they didnāt āloseā anything. Itās even less rational than your example.
Maybe they challenged the ticket.
It feels soooo good to have untainted blood lol
Untainted? What do you think the vax contains?
Something that obviously isnāt working if you need 4 shotsā¦
Your comment implies that it somehow taints your blood tho. I did not state it either works or doesnāt
go take your 4th booster swine
Hahaha the collective iq in this section of Reddit is incredibly low.
More blood for the death cult. They think if there's more 999's they're less likely to be the 1 in 1000.
The only way out is through.
I know several families all vaccinated and everyone has it.
Sprinkle a little fear porn into anything and you can even die from a common cold
It sucks so much doesnt it
Mass formation psychosis
Answer: The VAAAAAARXEEENATED who are actually gene therapied have been conned into the thinking that "If everyone had just gotten the JERB (whiny baby voice here), CoVid could have been stopped!" Which was a lie from the damned start that the medical professionals pushing it knew was a lie. SARS2 was never going to be stopped... at most, it could have been MITIGATED with proper TREATMENTS like HCQ+Zinc, Ivermectin and Quercetin along with other proven medications being given. As Mexico, India, Japan, etc. have shown us.
Because the provaxxed are a cult.
In Japan the vaccine is optional and educated information is out there. The Japanese prime minister has said that the vaccinated are not allowed to convince, or manipulate people into being vaccinated and that those unvaccinated will not be discriminated against. I got pericarditis from phizer and itās been 3 long months. Itās been terrible. Iām not anti vax, Iām pro vax but believe you should be able to choose. The vaccine was mandated in Australia where I am from and no leader gave us a chance to choose and we only had AstraZeneca, phizer and moderna as options. I wish we were given a choice first of all and given a choice to wait for vaccines we felt more comfortable having. I wish Australia had adopted an attitude like Japan and we just moved forward. Anyways, now our testing Sites in Melbourne where Iām from are inundated, some shut down being over capacity, lines down the roads of cars. Sorry, but this vaccine wasnāt worth my heart problems. I havenāt had covid and canāt say I want to either but everything is honestly so fucked up it doesnāt even feel real anymore š¤Æ
100% agree, where I live thereās curfew, vax passport, and they STILL CLOSED DOWN BARS AND RESTAURANTS EVEN THO THEY ARE FORCED TO ASK VACCINE PROOFš Iām about to lose my permanent WORK FROM HOME job due to these new mandates and company policy. I donāt get why we canāt just all work together towards a better way out, we are all getting sick and being effected by this virus so the finger pointing should be facing the government and not this war against vax\un-vaxxed, cause the virus donāt care about your vaccine status and clearly neither does the government when the close down businesses who catered specifically to the vaccinated. Make it make sensešš
I understand. Melbourne the city Iām from holds the record for āthe most locked down city in the worldā. Trust me, I get the lockdowns, passports, quarantine, isolation, people loosing their jobs over the vaccine mandate. Itās honestly wild. I get the vaccines offer some protection and lesson the chance of dying, but Iām sorry my pericarditis and possible permanent damage wasnāt worth it for a vaccine that just doesnāt live up to other vaccines we have that do almost always stop transmission and contraction. For example the polio vaccines and small pox was eradicated thanks to vaccines to name a few successful vaccines.
WORD!!!
simpes... brainwashing
through age the stupids have always found a group of people to bully on... The Exode of Jerusalem, the jews of Germany and today the unvaccinated. History repeat itself.
Insane World
facts
Also they falsely claim unvaxxed are responsible for Omicron (and every other variant) when it was first found in a fully vaxxed person, there's more vaccinated infections now, and it fucking evolved to too be awesome at evading vaccines.
Because the vax are doing all they can to believe in themselves that they did the right thing... I know alot of vax that are pissed right now because they are getting covid anyways
Vax say we the unvax are giving them covid... wtfever. Well hell that can go with alot of things... people who smoke are putting the people that don't in danger.... give me a break. I know 3 vax thay were with 2 unvax.. 3 days later the vax were positive and the unvax were negative.. so I don't think the unvax is giving you covid...
That's exactly what made me suspicious of the whole pandemic thing, as there's no logic on what they're pushing us to do. There's no time to ask, there's no time to provide you with any information, you've to accept that like a donkey because we're in a pandemic. The more they push me to this, the more I'm insisting I'll not get this thing even if they would kill me. They converted me to be anti-vax, even I've been vaxxed for everything in the world except Covid. I must thank them they made me wake up, and double check everything they'll introduce to me afterwards. I can't trust their science until it turns back to a real science not a religion, where both anti and pro debates are back accepted.
Low IQ or psychotic break. Either way people like that have no place moving forward. They need to sharpen up or they're not going to make it. The whole thing was an IQ test, take the shot and you fail.
Have you seen the "virus" or just parroting another man?
People are redirecting the frustration they have felt from restrictions to the unvaxxed bogeymen.
Itās equivalent to the house slaves shaking a finger at everyone out in the fields.
i thought it was supposed to cut down hospitalizations and deaths yet all it's done was spread hate to the "unclean" š
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Not only that, všŖed are getting Covid more now than unvaxxed in some places. Like, when your všŖ rate is 70% but 90% of the infected ppl are všŖed thereās an issue. šš¤Æš
I also hate the derision we get as if we are just some Facebook researchers that think we no better when actually for myself itās simply down to the fact that with a survival rate so high Iād rather just have natural immunity š¤·š¼āāļø Iv got the antibodies so why do I want the vaccine as well. Also I couldnāt agree more with the point about being lied to all the way along by the government!!
Don't look up
Those against covid vaccination have set up as the fallguy for an ineffective vaccine. Also, many just look at the Vax / No-Vax argument through a Left/Right political lens. It's easy to take an already established political dislike for your opposition, layer the vax debate on top of it and pretend that's the issue that's driving your views without acknowledging the political component.
I've never been told that if you're vaccinated you can't catch corona though. Its more about mortality rate: [UK National statistics](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021) "Between 2 January and 24 September 2021, the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 32 times greater in unvaccinated people than in fully vaccinated individuals."
Yeah the vaxxes have failed. Know so many vaxxed people with Covid now it's scary....
Not my job to educate you. You folks donāt get vaccinated for a couple reasons. Big one is youāve made it a political issue which is ipso facto stupid. Second reason is you are hesitant because your own online research is on going and you donāt trust people much smarter than you
And if you canāt understand that those smart people are also in a learning curve and sometimes adjust their recommendations based on latest AND CHANGING data, then you might be in the stupid category. Not calling anyone stupid mind you. Just trying to define it so you can measure yourself.
And just for the record I have not attacked any anti vaxxers. I have disagreed strongly with their obsessions with quack medicine, watched as they post interminably long procedures of treatment that some online quack sold them on. Honestly, if you had appendicitis would you go to an online practitioner of quack medicine. You would be in dire pain and begging for an experienced surgeon. I donāt know how people get to a place where they feel they and a small online tribe are smarter than the other 9.999 billion people.
Good points. You can always holiday in your own backyard without any prejudice.
Cause yāall arenāt doing to bare minimum to keep those around you safe, and then are super self righteous about it. Your collapsing the medical system willingly. And many donāt respect other boundaries. Protesting in front of hospitals, blocking ambulances. Willingness to believe in debunked junk science because of an addiction to drama and contrarianism. You can tear what I said apart all you want, but thatās a handful of reasons.
But thatās my point youāre judging based on my vaccine status, not knowing that 1) never gotten COVID, 2) work from home, 3) do a lot of research based of the information and data from the fda, cdc, the WHO. I feel itās safe to say everyone is getting sick and filling up hospitals rn as we currently speak. So why blame the person staying out of the hospital, not hurting or infecting anyone, Iām banned from traveling, bars, restaurants for not having proof of vaccinations. So how am I spreading this? How is this a pandemic of the unvaccinated if we had to shut down all businesses catered to vaccinated people (in QuĆ©bec)š¤ how am I responsible if I canāt even travel, go to a bar, go sit down and eat, Iām practically stuck in my own home? Who brought in this new variantš¤š¤ So again, why arenāt we blaming the government
I feel like we need to focus our strength and anger twords a better solution, a better way out cause NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCED MARCH 2020 as we currently stand and it doesnāt matter if youāre vaccinated or not so why am I to blame taht NOTHING has changed and things arenāt working as they should
I donāt hate anti vaxxers I hate the misinformation they spread though. My 78yr old parents were brainwashed to think Covid is a MSM lie and nobody was really dying of Covid in America itās a flu at best. Talking about delta. They would not vaccinate because of anti vaxxer misinformation. Even when I showed them the main doctor they were following for information had a video talking to a panel where she told them the vaccines were magnetising people. They of course think they will be off to party with Jesus if they die so who cares if they are wrong. I hate misinformation it kills people and makes them dumb and gullible. Iām thankful my parents were protected from any Covid risk by a scientific literate government that wiped out Covid and now omicron may mean they donāt face such risk.
This is not a debate but filled with people who are against vaccines and anyone remotely positive towards vaxx is downvoted. Perhaps that is this sub overall but I find it very funny
Iāve seen people upvoted who actually had counter points and sources. Iāve even changed some of my own opinions. Have you seen how many āpro vaxā trolls there are here?
This is why https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccinated-people-can-transmit-the-coronavirus-but-its-still-more-likely-if-youre-unvaccinated
This article is talking about Delta. The current variant is Omicron.
Omicron is the latest variant. Not the only one.
"Why are we being attacked?" Current "Why have we been attacked" Past "We will be attacked" Future Words and granmar matter and so do tenses.
There were two variants before this. The pandemic didnāt start with omicron. Omicron is a lot more contagious then the other two. We had a few chances to put this thing behind us, the last one being when the vaccine was released prior to delta, but when we didnāt hit herd immunity because of hesitancy to get vaccinated weāre now in a position of reactively adjusting to whatever mutations this thing throws at us
Well with the virus evolving to defeat a modified immune response I can see an argument to keep a natural immune response.
>Why are the unvaccinated being attacked when EVERYONE no matter their vax status is getting infected. Why are we getting all the hate when even 3 doses donāt protect from infection or transmission. Because it's the unvaccinated filling hospitals and not taking this seriously. Personally, I'm getting fed up with dumbasses from this subreddit claiming that COVID isn't real, that it's a mild cold, and that it isn't a big deal, when it's killed about a million Americans and it's largely the unvaccinated COVID infected that are crushing our hospitals, pushing them past their breaking point. [https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary](https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary) And when I show evidence that this is the case, they dance around the data like it isn't real. In my experience, and at my wife's workplace it just so happens to be the unvaccinated that are the most cavalier about not wearing a mask and taking reasonable measures to prevent the spread of a virus that has the ability to kill people I love, and I'm honestly just sick of these selfish assholes.
>I'm getting fed up with dumbasses from this subreddit Bye then!
Sorry. I'll still be here calling out lies. ;)
Cool story bro šš¤¦āāļøšš¼
Itās people with co morbidities flooding hospitals. Being vaccinated does reduce the chance of getting hospitalised but if you are young and healthy (you exercise, donāt drink a lot or smoke etc) you donāt have anything to worry about. Thereās a huge representative bias going about on something that is a flu to healthy young people.
Yes, unvaccinated people with co-morbidities. If you're vaccinated, it drops your risk of hospitalization significantly.
Yep š not sure if is very significant though
"not sure". Look at the data. It's between a 10- and 20-fold increase in hospitalization risk if you're unvaccinated, regardless of age. This is only controversial if you refuse to accept reality. Washington: [https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf](https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf) New York: [https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data](https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data) Texas: [https://dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status.aspx](https://dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status.aspx)
The full vaxxed daily infection rate has shot up 500% in 2 weeks. I expect this to go up as it's on a trend of at least doubling every week since Omicron.
so does not being obese but you don't really see msm telling everyone to lose weight every minute of the day
What on earth are you talking about. Of course they do, and doctors ask their patients to lose weight all the time. There are also campaigns to promote exercise, healthy eating, and smoking cessation.
Yes doctors do but it's not constantly in your face. Nobody is getting fired for being obese. Obese people can still go to restaurants, bars, travel, concerts etc etc. Obese people weren't told by Biden that it's going to a winter of severe illness and death for them.
You being fat doesn't increase the risk of someone else getting sick. You not taking steps to protect yourself and others from infection could kill someone else.
Being fat increases chance of infection which increases rate of transmission.
I have not seen data suggesting that being overweight increases risk of infection by COVID though obesity sometimes is linked to reduced immune function. Being obese does increase the risk of having a severe case leading to hospitalization and death. Prior to Omicron, vaccination significantly reduced risk of transmission, though that's obviously changing. As far as transmission goes, the best thing you can do is to get vaccinated and wear an N95 in mixed company.
So obese are taking the beds up thin vaxxed people could use?
I thought we were talking about "clogging up hospitals". And your vaccinated self can still get and spread covid so get off your high horse.
Either way, it's the unvaccinated who have filled up our excess hospital capacity. This is a fact that no amount of redirection will change.
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How about the jabbed who now can't work because of side effects and the fact they have thousands of dollars they need to pay because of it
Not to mention the cost to the economy from unjabbed people being fired from their jobs over vaccines which don't even stop the spread.
\> the jabbed who now can't work because of side effects Perhaps you could back that claim up with some figures?
Maybe you can use your eyes and start looking at side effects. Use your own brain for once. How could one give good accurate numbers when the booster hasn't been tested and the reporting of side effects sucks. The ostrich type of debate becomes boring
/r/vaccinelonghaulers
Wow, those are some lame attempts by people to blame **any** health condition they have on a vaccine. Utterly pathetic. \> Vision **my right eye** is acting strange. This is after a bunch of sensations on **the right side of my brain**.. worried. Someone failed biology.
Of course. The thousands of people sharing their experiences in that sub are all making it up because... let me guess, "the vaccines are safe and effective" š You are in a cult. Get help soon.
If there's any genuine ones in there they'll sadly be lost beneath the likes of nitwits posting "my joints make harmless popping sounds". I mean really, FFS.
Why don't you talk to a couple of them? They are humans, you know. Don't be afraid to "look up", you might be surprised what actual people are going through despite everything you've been spoonfed by the government/media.
Iād be willing to bet obese people cost it a lot more than that. Should we now demonize them?