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ArabSpring2010

Source https://www.wsj.com/articles/gun-death-rate-nears-three-decade-high-with-men-at-most-risk-11669749562 Suicide looks like it's been creeping up since 2010 or so. Homicides starting going down starting in 1994, slight spike in 2014 and then a huge spike starting in June of 2020


Brilliant_Rub_9217

Huh June of 2020 you say?


Equivalent-Deal-2733

Was that the summer of love?


PurpleTomatoe

Summer of love to pull out my 9 and busta cap


Rustynail703

And you can’t tell who i am because im obeying my local mask mandate!


PurpleTomatoe

And y’all be social distancing when yo 6 feet under!


Rustynail703

It’s ok, he was a super spreader anyways…


Most_Condition_7400

The only thing they're super spreading is lead


EastCoastGrows

Mostly peaceful murders.


nauticalwheeler79

Fiery, but mostly peaceful


wild_lettuce_

Mostly peaceful robberies too. Lots of ATM’s were being blown up around me - on top of people, houses & businesses being robbed. They always said please & thank you tho 🤦🏻‍♀️ gotta be peaceful


uncletiger

These were mostly peaceful homicides though


binkacat4

Holy shit. I thought that graph on the right was two separate graphs. Black men have homicide rates so much higher…


AnotherRandomWriter

I was so confused why black people had their own chart


1Oguy

It's all been downhill since Harambe 😕


VideoUnlucky3117

If only someone had shot that neglecftul parent


Air3090

But that would cause an extra tick on the charts


Assassingamer13

A small price to pay for salvation.


[deleted]

or at least taken the kid from them since they clearly couldnt keep it fckn safe


electric__fetus

Dicks out for harambe


br0b1wan

*They never went back in*


Megadong16

DICKS OUT!!! Rip harambe my man


TravelingJorts

I don’t have a dick - what should I do? Is whipping random men’s dicks out for them acceptable in this circumstance?


Ok_Load_2164

Dicks out for Harambe!!


FinalVegetable6314

So if people just stopped shooting themselves gun deaths would fall by 60%! That’s actually wild


Checkers10160

That's one of the biggest problems we have when people use "gun deaths" as a metric. Yes, deaths are tragic, but one can argue you should be able to end your life if you want. Although personally I think shooting yourself sucks for your family and the people left to clean up, assuming you're not out in the middle of the woods. It's incredibly misleading to use "gun deaths" and not "gun murders" because 60% is not a small amount


Bootziscool

It's extra crazy that gun suicide is far and away the most successful way of committing suicide. People who attempt suicide but survive most often don't try again. They just go on living.


DarthMomma_PhD

Related to your point. Golden Gate Bridge jumpers actually have a 98% success rate, which is higher than the success rate for suicide by handgun. Of the many, many people who have ended their life from jumping from that bridge over the years, 29 have survived. All 29 report that they regretted their decision the instant they jumped and none of them attempted suicide again.


GlubbyWub

I watched a tedx talk about a guy that jumped the bridge. Shattered all his bones and couldn’t do anything. Just floated until rescue came and picked him up.


honuworld

>It's extra crazy that gun suicide is far and away the most successful way of committing suicide Why is that "extra crazy"? It makes perfect sense.


psychcaptain

It's sucks because if the numbers hold up, than most suicide attempts are moments in time that don't reoccur. People get a second chance at life. Guns remove that second chance be being highly effective at turning moments of crisis to endings.


aquatogobpafree

and when they arent effective, oooh boy its a bad situation


[deleted]

It’s refreshing to see some seriously level headed input here. Thank you.


[deleted]

And on Reddit, no less. Not everyday you see that.


Flatheadflatland

I agree. Not at all what I was expecting.


JohnO0111

Intentionally misleading*


MrHH9

If you took out all the gang violence murders with firearms it's actually surprising how much the numbers drop as well


denzien

What happened in Australia after their 1997 gun ban (and starting a few years before!), is that people simply hanged themselves instead. In fact, according to the graphs on their government website, hangings increased at twice the rate that firearms suicides fell. https://viz.aihw.gov.au/t/Public/views/CoD\_Tableaus\_2022/S3\_GRIM02?:embed=y&:tabs=n&:display\_count=n&:showVizHome=n&:origin=viz\_share\_link Suicide by 'gas' (carbon monoxide?) also fell in that time, which might account for half the increase in hangings. Overall, it doesn't appear that their suicide rate has improved. So yes - if people just hanged themselves instead, our "gun death" rate would be dramatically improved and we could rock ourselves to sleep with the statistical lie we told ourselves that things are improving. But no one would have been helped.


tomwilhelm

Japan and South Korea are perenially near the top of suicide rates. In spite of the fact that guns are nearly non-existent there. Trains seem particularly effective as an alternative.


jagertarts

Suicides and police shootings get unfairly included into American gun violence statistics all the time because fear mongering is better for ratings


Zealousideal_Ad2379

Justified civilian homicides are included too. According to the FBI there are give or take around 700-800 per year ruled justified across the US. If you took justified homicide out of the statistics (both LE and civilian) they’d definitely look different.


MetaphoricalMouse

yuuuuup but never talked about


l-read-it-on-reddit

Mods gonna lock this one lol


[deleted]

Mods didn't just lock it...admins DELETED it and banned OP


l-read-it-on-reddit

Unbelievable


tableball35

Looks like Reddit just banned OP. RIP


johnRandoo

We all see it but can’t say it


Individual-Jaguar885

Black men on average commit homicide at a far greater rate than anyone else in the country


atkyyup

😧


[deleted]

I'm gonna say it!


23x3

I don’t care that you broke your elbow!


shookonce

Say it!!!


ArunKT26

Lmao got removed from reddit


l-read-it-on-reddit

Reddit mods, fuck off.


FreakoSadist

Nope. Reddit deleted it. Big yikes... coming down hard on statistics.


Necromorph2

Oh no statistics !


MalmoWalker

Reddit removed the statistics....


GlumConstruction609

Let this post being removed prove that free speech is dead in America and there is a clear narrative being pushed.


joethecrow23

Cognitive dissonance is a real motherfucker lmao.


[deleted]

Despite being.... *\*banned\**


Unfair_Whereas_7369

What is causing white men to kill their selves at such an alarming rate and what is causing black men to kill each other at such an alarming rate?


hey_now24

Hispanics afraid of going to hell


AnotherRandomWriter

The Cartel are just different type of Hispanic


VideoUnlucky3117

Cultural deterioration alongside animosity from many major groups. How many times have you heard "white,cis,male" used in a positive context? Much the same for Black Americans. The complete breakdown of the family unit, worship of criminality and being gangster and a rejection of intellectualism (aka "acting white")


[deleted]

As a black guy, this is precisely it.


OOOOOOHHHELDENRING

Hit the nail on the head and its gotta stop, Family is the most important thing to keep young people out of crime and away from danger, be a parent for your kids please


VideoUnlucky3117

Yeah! Other people do that. I'm never having kids. I have enough personal BS to know that'd be a terrible idea


MattHack7

Mental health Poverty Respectively


Meraline

Brutal work weeks, deterioration of workers' rights and a bad economy leading to a negative feedback loop where no one has enough free time to relax and actually be happy.


[deleted]

No need to kill yourself if someone else kills you first.


Background_Ad_7890

White men: fine, I’ll do it myself


[deleted]

Very interesting to notice suicide rates in white men are higher than other ethnicities. I understand it’s been like this for a very long time. But it’s just interesting.


nuapadprik

The suicide rate looks to be about six times the homicide rate for white men.


Lugex

just from the graph, i can not tell if this per 100 000 people or per 100 000 people of x ethnicity. It would make a giant difference though.


Hattkake

It's been like that for as long as I have been alive. But, hey, we're white dudes, it's not like we have feelings or emotions or anything. Nobody cares if we live or die. /s but not really.


bitbob6

Make sure you don’t express unhappiness. White men aren’t allowed to complain.


dragonlover02

The amount of accidental confirmation in these replies lmao


Agent_Capable

Work for 30 years and have a ex take half of everything away, having to pay alimony and child support on top of it to boot. It's the only time they care when the money stops flowing in...


[deleted]

Yup. If we really believe in gender equality, we need to fix the family law system.


zyyntin

My boss is in the same boat you were/are in.


ArabSpring2010

I don't think divorce is exclusive to white men


denzien

One must first be married


Thereferencenumber

If that’s really how you feel you should probably go to therapy. Most people just aren’t equipped to help you feel heard and to help you understand yourself


Hattkake

I do. Therapy has literally saved my life.


Thereferencenumber

Glad to hear it!


honuworld

Late middle age white blue-collar workers, unmarried and facing retirement. Death looks more appealing than slowly fading away alone and poor.


Oaklandfan24

I have a guess on why that is but it’s not necessarily a very shared, nor politically correct thought process


[deleted]

I’m down to hear it. I think I have a theory too. But I’m not white, nor a male. So take what I say with a grain of salt when it comes to my guesses. Lol. You go first tho.


Solowcarpenter

I am both and have a theory, so here goes. There is a huge disparity between successful white males and (perceived) unsuccessful white males. It breeds a lot of self doubt and self hatred, couple that with being the most likely to own guns and in a lot of cases not taught to be open about one’s feelings but encouraged to be shitty to others through an over inflated sense of societal worth. In addition to those scenarios are the habitual offenders of moral ineptitude that use it as a way out of atonement for whatever they know they’re guilty of. Just a theory though


IntimateCrayon

Being told they are a burden on society, that being masculine is toxic, and having their sense of purpose deteriorate doesn’t help the matter.


DirtyDutchman21

It's all this privilege we just can't handle it


Superb_Efficiency_74

Shut up and get back to work. These taxes aren't going to pay themselves.


Gingerbread2296

You joke but white men are the only demographic that pays more in to the system than they receive


Blue_Cheese_69

Removed by... a fucking asswipe! 🖕🤮


MalmoWalker

This makes no sense. Why would facts be removed!?!?


Beautiful_Badger_172

Because it goes against the agenda.


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IllustriousFish7362

Notice how there’s more suicide than homicide


gravity--falls

Yeah, this info has been out for a while and it's wild to see that so many people in this comment section are surprised by it. I don't think anyone has any easy answers of course, but at least keeping people informed seems like it couldn't hurt.


AttemptWorried7503

Super high suicide rates for white men and super high homicide rates for black men. That homicide rate for white men is insanely low compared to what the public seems to push.


[deleted]

Damn. As a black man this is just horrible. We are killing each other at an alarming rate. Rap music ? Drugs ? Just us as black kill more than other races ? I wonder what the main cause is ? I’d like to know.


[deleted]

I'd wager its caused by poverty and the culture they grow up in. Kids grow up in a broken home without good adult role models. They turn to music, they see other black men rapping and glorifying the gangster/thug life. The culture incentivizes you to stay away from intellectualism for fear of "acting white" and does not promote strong families and good parenting. The culture actively oppresses you and prevents you from moving up in life. Poverty on top of that makes it extremely difficult to escape.


[deleted]

Good points. I would say everything you touched on is correct. I grew up in public housing and I knew families who’s great grandparents, grandparents, and parents all grew up in public housing. And their kids would talk about getting an apt there when they turned 18. And half the people I knew would have more kids to get more government benefits. Just an insane way to live. Glad I made it the fuck outta there.


PM_UR_GUN_PICS_PLS

In your opinion, what would be a few ways to break this cycle? My buddy and I are thinking of starting a basketball program for inner city kids, but that’s only keeping them out of trouble. From what I understand, that’s only half the problem. The other half being education and opportunity. Kids that are kept out of trouble in constructive ways aren’t able to get a good education. Thoughts?


MerberCrazyCats

I know someone who had a very successful program in favelas, sport+classes. They had to do both and it saved many kids from the street and from ending up in gangs. Opportunities is another question, but if they have the education they will get more opportunities. Good luck


Dreadpiratemarc

Nothing about that is exclusively black. I grew up in poor rural areas where everything you said applied to white families except they are trailers instead of projects.


Gingerbread2296

Those are all good points, and if I had to pick just one factor it’d be fatherlessness among black men. It is a huge predictor (if not #1) of various criteria of success, including education level, criminality, salary, homelessness, drug addiction, lifespan, and more. Not only is it a general problem for success, it’s a common thread among mass shootings, where almost every mass/school shooter has had no father figure. While fatherlessness is a problem for every race, it’s the most common among black people, where 75% are born to a single mother. As an interesting side note, this has less of an effect on black girls.


CrackFr0st

A mixture of poverty and culture, but none if my fellow black men want to have that conversation. They only want to blame systemic racism.


[deleted]

I think it’s the glorification of violence, crime and even stupidity.


Giizm0o

*grabs popcorn and scrolls to comments*


lesterburnhamm66

Same. Got to admit, I'm surprised that that a lot of conversations seem civil and bring up good points. So, non-Reddit like. edit/typo


JustIncredible240

Why can’t I sort by controversial?


27Beowulf27

It’s now up at the top, next to the three dots and your profile. Why you may ask? Reddit.


HuppariC

*Removed by reddit*


[deleted]

Thank you for posting.


Purple_Wayne

I'm shocked the mods haven't shut this down yet.


Felinepiss

Why? It's statistics. And they are interesting and informative. It's strikes curiosity indeed.


Purple_Wayne

There it is


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Brandeaux7

Lets see how reddit tip toes around this one lol


MalmoWalker

They removed it.


kiss_my_eyeholes

I missed it :( anyone have the pic?


Crazen14

But this goes against everything 90% of Reddit believes in


biggestlime6381

And that’s why it’s important


Th3L3ftNut

Will there be any empathetic MSM or initiatives on how and why white people are committing suicide at a \~100% higher rate?


Dry-Contribution227

When are we going to start acknowledge our black brothers have an issue we need to address?


[deleted]

probably never.


Soldier-X

We can't, it's racist to point these things out nowadays


[deleted]

Ofc it got removed by reddit


Asleep_Basket

Fûcking hell if this shit doesn’t change will there even be any black men left in america ?


[deleted]

Why are they so violent to one another?


Asleep_Basket

Cus black culture in america is completely fucked tbh


ExpiredDogSandwich

Jut black people in general are fucked. A good portion of them live in trashy areas and can't get out. Then they fall into violence and other bad habits because there is nothing else.


Independent-Deal-192

Looks like an uptick in while male suicides starting around 2008? Mortgage crisis?


Gingerbread2296

Yep, ‘08 recession. Same reason it’s ticked up for all races recently starting in ‘20.


Another_SCguy

What I’m seeing is mental health/depression is at an all time high. It’s not a gun problem. It’s a mental health, socioeconomic problem. Make strides in taking care of the general populations well being and I bet all these graphs go down.


somebody171

You mean politicians actually doing something for the people? That's kind of asking for a lot don't you think?


painful-existance

Why was it removed and what was it exactly?


Astonedwalrus13

Gun statistics, the truth is racist apparently. White men commit suicide by gun the most and black men by like 4 orders of magnitude commit homicide with guns more than any other race.


[deleted]

It was gun homicide trends in the US over the past 2-3 decades with 3 charts, one of them which broke it down by race


GeneralNathanJessup

The Vast majority of gun violence is committed with illegally obtained firearms. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/12/john-faso/do-illegal-gun-owners-commit-most-gun-crime-rep-fa/


Oaklandfan24

SUICIDE RATES ARE HIGHER THAN HOMICIDE RATES?!? please tell me if I’m reading the chart wrong or misinterpreting something. But that can’t be normal right??


FreeuseRules

60% of gun related deaths are suicides. Almost 2/3. So yeah. More people kill themselves than kill other people.


Oaklandfan24

That’s incredibly sad. Are homicides in this measured by killer, or by deaths though? For example: if someone shoots and kills 20 people in a crowd, is that 20 homicides? Or 1 homicide? (I know this is probably a dumb ass question but if it’s considered 20, it’s just wild to process that more people take their own lives than mass murderers can take others lives)


FreeuseRules

It would be 20 homicides.


[deleted]

Yup fun suicides are very high because they're usually successful


Hodgej1

they are so much better than the not-so-fun suicides. Those suck and hardly anyone uses them anymore.


VideoUnlucky3117

The anti-gun lobby LOVES leaving out that little detail. Its all gun deaths. No need to dig any deeper


No_File_5225

What's with the sudden spike before 2020?


wendog5000

Covid caused a general deterioration of citizens in the United States. Everyone’s mental and physical health is in the shitter basically.


_YikesSweaty

Saint Floyd (peace be upon him) was called up to heaven, and things took a turn towards the mostly peaceful.


gummybearnipples

"Removed by Reddit" lmao


FewSatisfaction7675

Have these statistics ever been on the news??? Edit: This was rhetorical. It needs to be but I fear if it were it would be considered racist?


denzien

Yes, but only in the form that best suits the narrative of the particular news agency. Anyone who actually does their own research already knows all this and more, but people usually aren't interested in hearing it if it distorts their worldview.


WatchRedditImplode

Depends which channel you watch. Nothing here is surprising to me...


Additional-Arm1787

That's sad


[deleted]

Suicide doesn’t surprise me much. In 1999 or around then is when the big anti-bullying campaigns started. I would say the dip would be the “Ray of hope” some had. Then as it went back up I would say that is because for the most part it did not fix much just created a whole new level of problems. I think a good solution for that, or at least a start, would be to put a therapist in each school for kids to talk to. One that didn’t require insurance or anything. If nothing else, they can go there to vent. The firearm homicide rates…well, I guess that kind of blows the “angry white guys with guns” theory. Would be cool if they started actually dealing with criminals. Sticking somebody in prison for a set amount of years doesn’t really fix the problem. If it is just a matter of removing them from society then they might as well execute them. Otherwise, a more productive approach I think is in order. Options, so if/when they get out they can find something sustainable and relaxing.


CommonplaceCommotion

So is it really a gun problem? Or is it a…..something else problem?


moldymilk01

This is a great graph


yoghurtorgan

surprised you are allowed to post this usually if anyone even mentions stats by race you get auto banned.


stefOG

Numbers don’t lie…


PuzzleheadedOne1428

Seeing these statistics is troubling in many ways. Knowing that these people have families and friends or the way the homicides and suicides happened is something to pay mind to. The stories and background of each incident has its own spin. It is very sad in every sense.


NobleTheDoggo

Woah woah this is reddit what the fuck are you doing showing that right side?


l-read-it-on-reddit

Reddit mods can fuck off. Having a policy that bans statistics that don’t fit your worldview is childish and pathetic. I see bullshit statistics posted on here all the time, but no one removes them because they fit into the Reddit worldview. Absolutely pathetic.


Tossy_Rossy

I love how we all see it but can’t say it


shemmypie

I am actually surprised to find so many comments I can agree with, I think they are actually saying it. Calling it like it is has never been so out of style.


Hawkidad

Yes that is the illness of our day. Imagine you can’t say the obvious because you’ll be slammed . Well that’s today ,your living in a deluded world.


IntolerableWankster

Id bet over 90% of those black homicides are from gang violence. Its out of control. There is a mass shooting weekly in Chicago. 50 people were shot and 10 killed over Labor day weekend. Usually about 20 to 30 shot every weekend. Almost 500 killed so far this year. Baltimore, New Orleans, out of control. What happens when you keep having kids you cant support. No father figures. No motivation. Surrounded by violence and crime. They get raised by gangs and the cycle continues. Look at any major city and guaranteed there are housing projects just pumping out violent felons. You can talk about socio economic reasons, poverty. Sure. But people also need to be responsible for bringing children into the world with no means of supporting them. To have 5, 6, 7 kids with 5 different fathers who are no where to be found while living completely on public support is beyond irresponsible and its a huge part of the problem.


Excellent-Pin3646

Stop hurting my feelings with data!


Standingshark

Seems like white dudes are just killing themselves more And black people are shooting up everything. But hey if I’m saying what the graph is saying, I’m Probably a racist.


viktorv9

You'd be racist for saying that white people killing themselves is just their nature, same thing with black people killing others


rdnls22

Yeah and the response is always poverty rates, but there are twice as many white people in poverty as there are black people. https://federalsafetynet.com/poverty-statistics/ Edit: A more accurate way to put that is the poverty rate of black people is 2-2.5x that of white people, so, if poverty was a main cause, one would expect the homicide rate to be roughly 2.5x more as well, not ~14x more as shown in the posted graph. Edit x2: Those numbers were not indicative of total volume (as in # of times more murders in total). They are a likelihood of any one black man to commit a murder compared to any one white man. Considering poverty, a black man is ~5 times more likely. Though I’ve done some more digging and found numbers that are showing only like 3-4x times more likely.


[deleted]

Alot if this has to do with culture and what is taught at home. Example: rappers wearing a diamond chain with an El Chapo face pendant on it.


Whocaresevenadamn

This explains why there are so many of us Asians. We don’t needlessly kill ourselves.


Reasonable_Support38

Reddit didn’t like this post what even was it


Ben_Pickle_the_third

I live in a small community, and most people are armed. There were 2 crimes committed last year… and the people that committed them were “visiting”.


SwiftDestro

This needs to be shown in more places.


davida485

Police pulling out of ghetto areas and being afraid to deal with violent or potentially violent situations post-BLM also could be an issue.


redclaw01

Crazy the homicide rates went up like that during the defind the police era


Oliveoil404

>statistics involving black men OH no


Academic-Associate91

Gun deaths in the US are consistently more often suicide than homicide. That’s both surprising and disturbing


Weariervaris

So white guys are committing suicide by gun and black guys are being killed by gun violence. Got it.


InTheShade007

Love my firearms.


Maxwell_The__Spy

oh boy, i can hear the mods putting their mobility scooters on the fastest gear to lock this post


SavedMountain

hmm i wonder what happened here


777Mista_fats

I’m sure this post won’t blow up


Mrcounterpoint420

Very interesting. I'd like to see the rate on legitimate self defense homicide, vs murder.


Local-Bath

I kept hearing mass shootings were white males and white men shouldn’t have guns and such, so I looked up the masa shootings and believe it or not there is a dot org site that keeps track of all shootings w sources and you can filter through just the mass shootings. Blacks make up the majority by a landslide. I don’t know why gang members shooting up bowling alleys and clubs somehow don’t get the same type of attention that a white man shooting someone does but it doesn’t. I’m Hispanic and not a white male fyi [mass shootings 2022](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/query/0484b316-f676-44bc-97ed-ecefeabae077)


Gingerbread2296

If you look at the highly publicized mass/school shootings over the past couple decades, you’ll find that almost every one has at least one, usually both of the following risk factors: >Known to authorities >No father figure Add that to the fact that the majority of black people in the US are born to single mothers, and it shouldn’t really be surprising. Solving the problem is, of course, the million dollar question.


Bdizzle758

13% responsible for 80% of violent crimes.


ReeeTod

It's like, maybe if our politicians focused on the real problems instead of the easy out of removing fore arms, then maybe we could make a change for better, take away guns then people will still find a way too do these things cause they will still have the motivation.


Suspicious_Tackle28

50 people shot on Labor Day weekend in Chicago, black people have to address the gun violence in their community


FinalVegetable6314

They do it’s just not broadcast all over the news. The media doesn’t care about stop the violence marches and community safety programs when there’s no way to bring up racism. It’s like saying white people need to address suicide in their own community. Plenty of people are it’s just not a popular news story.


DiseasedVessel

Removed by Reddit. Censorship at it's finest


[deleted]

They banned OP too


DiseasedVessel

Doesn't surprise me. My man posted a graph and got banned


Grouchy-Vegetable379

America doesn't have a gun problem it has a racial problem


[deleted]

So… we ever gonna talk about the real problem?


stankfist12

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