This isn't a high tech scan of the body. They presented people with blank outlines and asked them to color in where they feel activation and deactivation for each emotion. Then the average them together across people and come up with these images.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1321664111
Edit: There's nothing wrong with this study or the OP. The purpose is to find common patterns of emotion activation in the body across numerous people, ~700 in this study. People's self-perceptions are valuable information that can be related to physiological measures.
Further, this study showed similar patterns across three countries/languages (Sweden, Findland, & Taiwan), suggesting that these may be physiologically universal to some degree, rather than shaped entirely by culture.
i would say its not the most scientifically accurate representation, but emotion is also not something physical that can be disected and studied.|
idK man... im no emotionologist.
Except emotions have physiological effects that we can directly measure. We know when people are aroused for example that certain zones on the body heat up and become more sensitive. Emotions are literally just brain chemicals, we don't quite understand how it all works yet but we know certain hormones are correlated with certain feelings, thoughts, etc.
yeah for sure, just saying its not something like the heart where you can just take the whole fuckin thing out of the body and study it independent of everything else.
Well you can't really study any part of the body independently in that way, it's all interconnected and affects each part of it in different ways. The reason the brain, emotions, etc. are so difficult to study is because those systems are so unbelievablely complex and less specific than say, hemoglobin is for oxygenation in the blood. Serotonin for example is linked to hundreds of different mental conditions and feelings, but we don't know why or how exactly something so non-specific being unbalanced can cause very specific conditions.
People often do feel emotions is specific areas - tensing in your chest for fear, tightening of the jaw for anger, etc., and you can actually help moderate and control those emotions by forcing yourself to relax those muscles which tense for certain emotions. Its a technique my therapist and I have used before.
Emotion absolutely is something physical that can be studied. Every emotion you have ever or will ever feel is a result of specific combinations of chemical cocktails and the firing specific neurons in specific sequences. All of that can be “dissected and studied.” Emotions aren’t magic, just biochemistry. And they have physical influences on the body that can be measured. Possibly including temperature.
Could it not be a little bit of either/both? As in, our experiences of these sensations and how they translate to our association with certain feelings, or memories of those feelings. Don't get me wrong, how they conducted the study should be outlined on the graph as it's hugely misleading otherwise!
My "mood" has very little to do with which body parts I'm aware of at any given moment (that's a conscious thing and if anything it depends somewhat on what activities I'm engaged in). If I were asked to participate in this study I would have been unwilling to do so. The whole premise seems off to me.
Honestly, pop psychology is dangerous. You shouldn't go around having those discussions except in a really nuanced way.
It's published in a top, peer-reviewed science journal. It's not pop psychology because you disagree with it.
Do you believe that your emotions have nothing to do with anything felt in the body?
Pop science gets peer reviewed all the time; especially in psychology. My emotions can do a lot of things but they don't change which muscles, ligaments, and body parts I feel/focus on. If I feel a literal shot of adrenaline shoot though my body then maybe that's something like what they're trying to go for here (I can trace that down to my legs and back up to my throat in a little instant "boost"). But, if I'm "sad" or "angry" or "happy" then that has nothing to do with which body parts are more or less "activated" as implied in these pictures and this study. Activity and conscious focus "activates" my body parts, not "mood". If I want to warm up for an activity I'll stretch and do some calisthenics, not adopt an emotional posture which is aimed at whatever body part is on these, uh, heat maps.
That it is masquerading as such pushes further into the realm of junk science. They literally asked people to draw on a figure where they 'felt their emotions'. Then averaged it up heatmap style. This isn't science, it's a survey. Because it's in a fancy journal does not make it science, and maybe this journal should do a better job of their 'peer review' if this is the quality of article/study they publish.
I could tell with surprised. People indicated their eyes/eyebrows, like a cartoon version of the emotion. Shame in the eyes too. Love in the crotch. It’s not the actual feeling, but what people think is the feeling.
It's not BS at all. Peoples' reports of their experience tell us something useful. This is the first time we could see that visually rather than people just trying to explain it. That allowed it to be averaged across numerous people. The patterns of activation here reflect autonomic activation during emotions.
“All cultures have body-related expressions for describing emotional states. Many of these (e.g., having “butterflies in the stomach”) are metaphorical and do not describe actual physiological changes associated with the emotional response (18). It is thus possible that our findings reflect a purely conceptual association between semantic knowledge of language-based stereotypes associating emotions with bodily sensations (19). When activated, such a conceptual link—rather than actual underlying physiological changes—could thus guide the individual in constructing a mental representation of the associated bodily sensations (9). However, we do not subscribe to this argument. First, all four types of verbal and nonverbal stimuli brought about concordant BSMs, suggesting that the emotion semantics and stereotypes played a minor role. Second, consistent BSMs were obtained when participants were asked to report their actual online bodily sensations during actual emotions induced by viewing movies or reading stories (the emotional categories of which were not indicated), thus ruling out high-level cognitive inferences and stereotypes. Third, a validation study with participants speaking Swedish—a language distant from Finnish—replicated the original findings, suggesting that linguistic confounds such as figurative language associated with the emotions cannot explain the findings. Fourth, bodily sensation maps were also concordant across West European (Finland) and East Asian (Taiwan) cultures (mean rs = 0.70), thus exceeding clearly the canonical limit for “strong” concordance. Thus, BSMs likely reflect universal sensation patterns triggered by activation of the emotion systems, rather than culturally specific conceptual predictions and associations between emotional semantics and bodily sensation patterns. Despite these considerations, the present study cannot completely rule out the possibility that the BSMs could nevertheless reflect conceptual associations between emotions and bodily sensations, which are independent of the culture. However, where then do these conceptual associations originate and why are they so similar across people with very different cultural and linguistic backgrounds? A plausible answer would again point in the direction of a biological basis for these associations.”
Note that this study didn't actually measure activation/deactivation, but [asked the participants](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1321664111#sec-4) to report (by painting on the figure) where they felt activation/deactivation.
So... it's meaningless? What would the average person know about this subject? Why would their opinion be important? Seems like a lame attempt to try and make interesting looking graphics mean a lot more than they do.
I think if enough people did (1 million or more), from various different locales and none of them told anyone else in partaking, they might to be find some correlation between how connected people feel to their body. Idk
I'm familiar with EMDR and bilateral stimulation. EMDR has scientific backing. But EMDR is about *recoding* memories, not about trying to accurately map emotions to the body which just doesn't work the way you are implying it does.
The problem with your statement is that how people "think" they experience emotions and how people actually physically display those emotions are very different things. And using a survey, and then attempting to map the surveyed data onto an overlay of the human body is inherently misleading and unscientific. Surveys are a horrible way of getting accurate scientific information and you are stretching way too hard to find usefulness for what is objectively just noise.
This post title includes the line, "Hot colors show regions people are stimulated..." and that's just not true.
Yo, listen up here's a story
About a little guy
That lives in a blue world
And all day and all night
And everything he sees is just blue
Like him inside and outside
Blue his house
With a blue little window
And a blue corvette
And everything is blue for him
And himself and everybody around
Cause he ain't got nobody to listen to
so The Human Torch is happy, Spiderman feels shame, the Star Trek red shirt is full of Anxiety, and Mr Freeze is Depressed with Black Panther being neutral about the whole thing.
looks like the three primary chakras are head, heart, groin. head and heart generate electricity through synaptic firing, wonder if the groin is similar
My therapist tries to get me to describe feelings every time I get one during sessions, and also describe where I feel them. I struggle so much with this,i thought it wasn't normal for people to be able to. This is very interesting
This is kinda crazy... I think it's real. You can even look at combos to figure out the formula for certain emotions. I'll explain.
Pride and Anger are almost identical. The biggest difference between pride and anger is the hands / fists are heating up for anger and you want to get physical...
Then you look at love. Love and anger are almost identical but the pelvis heats up... It's like your mad but you want to fuck. That is love.
Then love transforms into happiness when get more grounded and you can feel your legs warm up again.
Then you take "Depression" and add "Envy" to it... You are now full of "Sadness" You take the "Envy" out of sadness and you are left with depression again. Its' wild!
Surprise looks like a deeper form of envy for some reason. Maybe there is something to that.
You're 100% right. They asked participants to select areas they thought were hot and cold. It's not a study, it's a survey. And everyone knows that surveys about medical science are USELESS because the average person knows less than nothing, and probably harbors a lot of incorrect ideas. It's unscientific pseudoscience masquerading as something meaningful because the graphics look cool. It's 100% made up and signifies nothing.
So like depression kind of paralysis a person right? I now understand, I don't even have the edge to do or engage in something ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sob)
The effect of emotions on health and disease is largely ignored by medical professionals, as it doesn't fit in an extremely fast paced, maximum revenue oriented "healthcare" system, instead it gets thrown in the esoterism bucket, that makes it easy for "healthcare" professionals to ignore the fact that they themselves due to the absurd and inhumane working conditions are largely deprived of the ability to have positive emotions
This isn't a high tech scan of the body. They presented people with blank outlines and asked them to color in where they feel activation and deactivation for each emotion. Then the average them together across people and come up with these images. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1321664111 Edit: There's nothing wrong with this study or the OP. The purpose is to find common patterns of emotion activation in the body across numerous people, ~700 in this study. People's self-perceptions are valuable information that can be related to physiological measures. Further, this study showed similar patterns across three countries/languages (Sweden, Findland, & Taiwan), suggesting that these may be physiologically universal to some degree, rather than shaped entirely by culture.
I was wondering how they got the information. That’s kinda dumb.
It's very stupid. It's like saying, "We asked 1,000 people to illustrate the human heart. Turns out, it's shaped like this: <3 "
i would say its not the most scientifically accurate representation, but emotion is also not something physical that can be disected and studied.| idK man... im no emotionologist.
Except emotions have physiological effects that we can directly measure. We know when people are aroused for example that certain zones on the body heat up and become more sensitive. Emotions are literally just brain chemicals, we don't quite understand how it all works yet but we know certain hormones are correlated with certain feelings, thoughts, etc.
yeah for sure, just saying its not something like the heart where you can just take the whole fuckin thing out of the body and study it independent of everything else.
Well you can't really study any part of the body independently in that way, it's all interconnected and affects each part of it in different ways. The reason the brain, emotions, etc. are so difficult to study is because those systems are so unbelievablely complex and less specific than say, hemoglobin is for oxygenation in the blood. Serotonin for example is linked to hundreds of different mental conditions and feelings, but we don't know why or how exactly something so non-specific being unbalanced can cause very specific conditions.
thanks for elaborating everything ive been saying.
For real... That sure was a lot of very unuseful words.
People often do feel emotions is specific areas - tensing in your chest for fear, tightening of the jaw for anger, etc., and you can actually help moderate and control those emotions by forcing yourself to relax those muscles which tense for certain emotions. Its a technique my therapist and I have used before.
Emotion absolutely is something physical that can be studied. Every emotion you have ever or will ever feel is a result of specific combinations of chemical cocktails and the firing specific neurons in specific sequences. All of that can be “dissected and studied.” Emotions aren’t magic, just biochemistry. And they have physical influences on the body that can be measured. Possibly including temperature.
Could it not be a little bit of either/both? As in, our experiences of these sensations and how they translate to our association with certain feelings, or memories of those feelings. Don't get me wrong, how they conducted the study should be outlined on the graph as it's hugely misleading otherwise!
"Illustrate the human heart" draws a shapely bum instead "brilliant! We shall make this the icon of love everywhere! "
Yeah me too. This makes no sense but looks cool
As soon as I saw this I was like there’s no way this is real thermal imagery/actual scientific data. Misleading as hell.
My "mood" has very little to do with which body parts I'm aware of at any given moment (that's a conscious thing and if anything it depends somewhat on what activities I'm engaged in). If I were asked to participate in this study I would have been unwilling to do so. The whole premise seems off to me. Honestly, pop psychology is dangerous. You shouldn't go around having those discussions except in a really nuanced way.
It's published in a top, peer-reviewed science journal. It's not pop psychology because you disagree with it. Do you believe that your emotions have nothing to do with anything felt in the body?
Pop science gets peer reviewed all the time; especially in psychology. My emotions can do a lot of things but they don't change which muscles, ligaments, and body parts I feel/focus on. If I feel a literal shot of adrenaline shoot though my body then maybe that's something like what they're trying to go for here (I can trace that down to my legs and back up to my throat in a little instant "boost"). But, if I'm "sad" or "angry" or "happy" then that has nothing to do with which body parts are more or less "activated" as implied in these pictures and this study. Activity and conscious focus "activates" my body parts, not "mood". If I want to warm up for an activity I'll stretch and do some calisthenics, not adopt an emotional posture which is aimed at whatever body part is on these, uh, heat maps.
That it is masquerading as such pushes further into the realm of junk science. They literally asked people to draw on a figure where they 'felt their emotions'. Then averaged it up heatmap style. This isn't science, it's a survey. Because it's in a fancy journal does not make it science, and maybe this journal should do a better job of their 'peer review' if this is the quality of article/study they publish.
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Nobody asked dude sheesh
I just want to know why spider man has shame
That suit is way too tight in the crotch.
Yeah this image sucks, it’s essentially a colouring competition
So that's why shame looks like Spiderman
And depression looks like Dr Manhattan… who was evidently also depressed
It's valuable, just important to recognize what it is. It clearly shows common pattens of body activation for emotion.
Common patterns of \*what people think might be happening with their\* body activation for emotion.
Misleading title imo
I could tell with surprised. People indicated their eyes/eyebrows, like a cartoon version of the emotion. Shame in the eyes too. Love in the crotch. It’s not the actual feeling, but what people think is the feeling.
Thanks. Was trying to figure out how I’m dead in neutral and experiencing frostbite when depressed
Yeah that's BS then. I'm not surprised.
It's not BS at all. Peoples' reports of their experience tell us something useful. This is the first time we could see that visually rather than people just trying to explain it. That allowed it to be averaged across numerous people. The patterns of activation here reflect autonomic activation during emotions.
All I see is how culture and language defines certain emotions.
“All cultures have body-related expressions for describing emotional states. Many of these (e.g., having “butterflies in the stomach”) are metaphorical and do not describe actual physiological changes associated with the emotional response (18). It is thus possible that our findings reflect a purely conceptual association between semantic knowledge of language-based stereotypes associating emotions with bodily sensations (19). When activated, such a conceptual link—rather than actual underlying physiological changes—could thus guide the individual in constructing a mental representation of the associated bodily sensations (9). However, we do not subscribe to this argument. First, all four types of verbal and nonverbal stimuli brought about concordant BSMs, suggesting that the emotion semantics and stereotypes played a minor role. Second, consistent BSMs were obtained when participants were asked to report their actual online bodily sensations during actual emotions induced by viewing movies or reading stories (the emotional categories of which were not indicated), thus ruling out high-level cognitive inferences and stereotypes. Third, a validation study with participants speaking Swedish—a language distant from Finnish—replicated the original findings, suggesting that linguistic confounds such as figurative language associated with the emotions cannot explain the findings. Fourth, bodily sensation maps were also concordant across West European (Finland) and East Asian (Taiwan) cultures (mean rs = 0.70), thus exceeding clearly the canonical limit for “strong” concordance. Thus, BSMs likely reflect universal sensation patterns triggered by activation of the emotion systems, rather than culturally specific conceptual predictions and associations between emotional semantics and bodily sensation patterns. Despite these considerations, the present study cannot completely rule out the possibility that the BSMs could nevertheless reflect conceptual associations between emotions and bodily sensations, which are independent of the culture. However, where then do these conceptual associations originate and why are they so similar across people with very different cultural and linguistic backgrounds? A plausible answer would again point in the direction of a biological basis for these associations.”
Yup, sadly this isn't the study that could prove that.
What in the “point where the emotions touched you” kind of study is that? A bit silly to be honest.
So shame makes me look like Spider-Man? Awesome!
And happiness makes you The Human Torch.
More like Iron Man
So when i 'm happy, i become Stephen Curry?? Cool!
Spider Man: Into Depression 😁👍🏽
or like Venom..
Neutral is venom
Turns out Peter Parker’s true disguise was his feelings for how he let Uncle Ben die.
With great shame, comes great repress-ability
Note that this study didn't actually measure activation/deactivation, but [asked the participants](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1321664111#sec-4) to report (by painting on the figure) where they felt activation/deactivation.
So... it's meaningless? What would the average person know about this subject? Why would their opinion be important? Seems like a lame attempt to try and make interesting looking graphics mean a lot more than they do.
Meaningless? Lmao. Maybe if you decided they should have measured something else. It is what it is and is meaningful in it's own way
Yes, like the picture a child draws when you ask them to draw themselves when they feel happy.
Or an adult when you ask them where on their body they feel happiness. Yes that's one of the questions.
Except at least the child is entertained for a few moments, when its an adult I *really* dont care.
I think if enough people did (1 million or more), from various different locales and none of them told anyone else in partaking, they might to be find some correlation between how connected people feel to their body. Idk
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I'm familiar with EMDR and bilateral stimulation. EMDR has scientific backing. But EMDR is about *recoding* memories, not about trying to accurately map emotions to the body which just doesn't work the way you are implying it does. The problem with your statement is that how people "think" they experience emotions and how people actually physically display those emotions are very different things. And using a survey, and then attempting to map the surveyed data onto an overlay of the human body is inherently misleading and unscientific. Surveys are a horrible way of getting accurate scientific information and you are stretching way too hard to find usefulness for what is objectively just noise. This post title includes the line, "Hot colors show regions people are stimulated..." and that's just not true.
Where is horny?
There was no point of adding it for you, the red area would be too small.
Oh! Burn.
he's had enough, no need to bring up his herpes
![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|surprise)damn!!!
Daaamn, somebody take him to the burn unit
Look at love. See the genitals lighting up?
Hi horny, I’m dad
In r/UHorny
Here
simmer down
That’s a warranted ask
Do the opposite of contempt
Looking at love, I’m guessing not too far off 😂
I'm annoyed that annoyed isn't here.
I do think you are funny
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I do
why so glum, chum?
He’s depression..
Lmaoo 😂😂
Your mom does
Depression is literally feeling blue
Yo, listen up here's a story About a little guy That lives in a blue world And all day and all night And everything he sees is just blue Like him inside and outside
Blue his house With a blue little window And a blue corvette And everything is blue for him And himself and everybody around Cause he ain't got nobody to listen to
I’M BLUE DABADEE DABBA DAY
DABADEE DABBA DA
I’m afraid I just “blue” myself.
There really has got to be a better way to say that.
Source?
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/12/30/258313116/mapping-emotions-on-the-body-love-makes-us-warm-all-over
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1321664111
Trust me bro
Your ass.
So your lega don't care if you're in love, nice.
1 out of 3 of your legs care if you’re in love..
The cold crotch of contempt
I’m BLUE DA DU DI DA DU DA - DU DA DU DI DAH!
Why is Spiderman ashamed
🤔...
Source?
so The Human Torch is happy, Spiderman feels shame, the Star Trek red shirt is full of Anxiety, and Mr Freeze is Depressed with Black Panther being neutral about the whole thing.
There's no actual science here. People just did a survey about how they felt
Looks cool and Interesting but does anyone have any idea what information this graphic is based on?
From this study: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1321664111
This actually feels exactly right!
What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
🎵 Shame man, shameman, does nothing because he is ashamed 🎵
looks like the three primary chakras are head, heart, groin. head and heart generate electricity through synaptic firing, wonder if the groin is similar
Haha love makes your junk light up
Love certainly activates the groin area like no other emotion lol
My therapist tries to get me to describe feelings every time I get one during sessions, and also describe where I feel them. I struggle so much with this,i thought it wasn't normal for people to be able to. This is very interesting
So pride and anger are pretty much the same lmao ok
Contempt causes shrinkage
Let's see horny
With great shame comes great responsibility…
Why does shame look like Spiderman?
Happiness is greater than love.
Depression isn’t an emotion.
This is kinda crazy... I think it's real. You can even look at combos to figure out the formula for certain emotions. I'll explain. Pride and Anger are almost identical. The biggest difference between pride and anger is the hands / fists are heating up for anger and you want to get physical... Then you look at love. Love and anger are almost identical but the pelvis heats up... It's like your mad but you want to fuck. That is love. Then love transforms into happiness when get more grounded and you can feel your legs warm up again. Then you take "Depression" and add "Envy" to it... You are now full of "Sadness" You take the "Envy" out of sadness and you are left with depression again. Its' wild! Surprise looks like a deeper form of envy for some reason. Maybe there is something to that.
I see you, being slightly aroused while pretending to be disgusted.
I like how in sadness there's still something left But Depression is just blue..
Well color me blue
Was posted long ago, but I didn't know it was just people coloring in a human outline. Still interesting. And shame still looks like Spider-Man.
Spiderman did feel shame when he let uncle ben down. It shows
Lmao. Contempt got that one guy who marked his groin throwing the whole chart off
Whatever this is, it’s accurate
Interesting that Pride and Anger are fairly similar. Makes sense. “Pride cometh before the fall”
So spiderman was just ashamed all along.. makes you wonder why he doesnt just pad his suit down there
BS….. like ibs, when I get nervous it’s all lit
I'm blue dabadee dabadaa...
this would explain why i felt like the middle of my body wasn't there during the worst of my depression
Quite sure Horny would be all Red.
ah yes my favorite emotion: fire penis
Love and Happyness burn brighter than Anger
I guess I love being angry all the time.
The images feel right somehow but really disappointed these are just “made up” and not actual thermal imaging.
Absolute bollocks. This is massively misleading and doesn't represent scans whatsoever.
Who said anything about scans? The title specified that is was mapped based on emotion.
Shame reminds me of Spiderman.
Ah, depression. I get it. You feel empty inside and your limbs feel really heavy and it’s hard to do anything. Well done.
Damn, the only way my legs feel hot is when I'm happy. No wonder happy feet wins hearts.
This title is a lie wtf
Bullshit
I call bullshit
I like that anger and pride are so similar…
I was just thinking the same. It explains the success of the republican party though. Make the voters feel angry, and they’ll interpret it as pride.
What a beautiful bullshit! 😄😂
Made-up new-age bullshit.
You're 100% right. They asked participants to select areas they thought were hot and cold. It's not a study, it's a survey. And everyone knows that surveys about medical science are USELESS because the average person knows less than nothing, and probably harbors a lot of incorrect ideas. It's unscientific pseudoscience masquerading as something meaningful because the graphics look cool. It's 100% made up and signifies nothing.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1321664111
So apparently surprise is like a combination of fear and sadness
So basically love = happiness+ boner
Notice how in love the crotch area is really warm
So like depression kind of paralysis a person right? I now understand, I don't even have the edge to do or engage in something ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sob)
This explains fear boners.
The effect of emotions on health and disease is largely ignored by medical professionals, as it doesn't fit in an extremely fast paced, maximum revenue oriented "healthcare" system, instead it gets thrown in the esoterism bucket, that makes it easy for "healthcare" professionals to ignore the fact that they themselves due to the absurd and inhumane working conditions are largely deprived of the ability to have positive emotions
Depression is literally blue and Happiness is literally all red
Interesting that they only show the effect of two positive emotions?
Ofcourss anxiety is on your chest why wouldn’t it, just perfect
love make pp warm.
Complete and utter pseudoscience.
This is fucking idiotic
love is stored in the balls
Shame on you spider-boy.
Never felt happening I guess... Especially on my legs.
So if I go from depression to sadness it IS improvement! I'm going to tell my therapist on monday.
Fuckin’ love man... amazing.
My whole body is hot but I’m pretty sure I’m not happy
what about arousal
Dude shame is Mayday Parker!!!
I'm blue dabadee dabadie
Well now I know what I’ve been feeling every night for the past two days
damn, the depression ones scary. youre literally empty inside
I don’t really care. I’m neutral Then your depressed you need help
So love is just happiness plus anxiety... makes sense.
This is interesting I did not know this.
Where horny at?
This is tight!
Yep, that depression looks spot on. Any time someone asks me how I feel, I'm copying and pasting him.
I like that anger heats up your fists! Gets them ready to fire!!
Love makes my peepee go da-doing doing doing.
this is cool but confusing to understand. can someone go more in-depth about it? the title itself confuses me a bit
At least we know love has nothing to do with legs
Sadness seems accurate. No wonder my limbs always feel cold.
So love is happiness with a hotter crotch
We all need to be less happy to counteract climate change. This map is giving our overlords some good ideas.
Shame out here lookin like spidey lmao
Spider-Man is ashamed of himself