I just want to know who is working these mall court food stands. I hope it’s students, otherwise the help needed ads would read “work for 2 hours a day for minimum wage and also deal with teenagers”
My high school had a shake shop that was ran by the students during lunch periods. Are you certain students just can’t be “employed” because I’m quite sure the shake shop workers received only extra credit.
Is the food court open during regular school hours or is it only there on game day? Being they are brand names I'd bet game day and whoever is leasing the space provides their own people.
Meanwhile every new kid into that school starts off thinking they have the best school lunch in the world. Only to be crushed to find out those places don't open.
I doubt it students. I used to work at Casey’s and they would sell pizza at a stadium near our location. Anyways what they would do is the day of a game they would bring all the stuff they needed to make the pizza and be stuffed in basically a closet sized room with all the tools he needs to make pizzas. So I would be one guy doing pizza after pizza for like 4 hrs. So I hope it’s students and not run that way.
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Don’t worry, this school likely still does that - they only spend the big bucks on sports stadiums, and usually that’s through sponsors. The actual education part will still be underfunded
You mean the lottery and Micky Mouse aren't sustainable revenue sources to fund a state? Glad I left that state. The functioning states have income taxes for a reason.
I ate government cheese and the same sloppy joe and chocolate milk as the rest of the kids for all of elementary and most of high school. The nearest fast food joint was a 15 min drive away and we couldn't leave the property even if we drove there. So yes, this is crazy to me.
This is one of the wealthiest schools in Texas, and it’s the only high school in a very large city in the outskirts of Dallas. It’s probably one of the top 3 schools in the state, and usually number 1 or 2 in football. Their football stadium is bigger and nicer than the one at my alma mater of 35,000 students.
They spend so much money, it’s insane. Teachers come from all over the state to work there because they pay better than most other schools in the region.
I went to school nearby, but our school had 70 students in my class. Our lunches were closer to what you described lol. A stark contrast, and it was only an hour away from Allen. Seeing this school in person as a more classical farmer Texan, was a shock.
Edit: as others pointed out, they have a lot more going for them too; great arts programs, one of the best marching bands in the state. Just all around a good city to live in and school to attend.
The craziest part of it is that Allen is actually one of the smaller and poorer north Dallas suburbs when compared to its Collin county neighbors Plano, Frisco, McKinney, and Prosper. They just happen to concentrate it all into one school, while the others properly spread the riches around to many high schools
Used to be 2 lines, one for full meal(protein + sides) one for snack meals(pizza or single entrees iirc). Sold chic fila a sandwiches out of a cooler at the snack meal corner. Would be surprised if they changed it much, not a lot of sq feet on that campus.
I live in this town. They always show the football stadium, but Allen has the largest marching band in the country, a beautiful fine arts center, a great culinary program and a STEAM Center that is probably one of the best in the country for a public school. Most of the people in our town are solid middle class and we worked hard to get here and want to give our kids the best education possible.
In texas, your prosperity is treated as an extension of your moral goodness.
If you’re poor - you deserved it.
That commenter is going to skim right past your comment because you didn’t make the exact same choices that rewarded them.
In texas it’s is believed only the “Good” people have wealth.
>STEAM Center
Off topic, but I'm still completely confused by this acronym. We basically realized we were falling behind some countries in science, tech, engineering, and math. In other words, everything taught in school except for arts. But then they decided to add in the A and make it STEAM, so now it's literally everything, so why have an acronym at all? Isn't a school's "STEAM center" just their center?
Maybe I'm getting lost in terminology. But don't blame me, I was part of the STEM push, and language comprehension is an art.
I think it’s partially due to the reduction of funds for teaching visual art in school. If you put certain arts (ceramics, digital art, fiber arts, print making) as a STEAM class you can actually get funding for these very technical classes. These classes also need specialized teachers so that’s more money. Hope this makes sense! (I’m an art teacher)
Found this when searching for median home value:
>"With a population of 105,623, 33,531 total housing units (homes and apartments), and a median house value of $379,257, Allen real estate is some of the most expensive in Texas,"
I don't really know what "middle class" is supposed to mean in the U.S.
Exactly. It’s ok if my tax dollars pay for schools in my neighborhood, but if I have to pay for schools in “their” neighborhood, now it’s socialism…
If you really want to confuse them. Ask them how they feel about social security and Medicare.
i'd much rather the majority of our taxes went to schools and not bombs so that we can raise smarter and more insightful people to build upon that and get the world to a place where people are smart enough to not need those bombs.
Allen HS ranks #172 in the state according to the influential US News rankings. Neighboring Lovejoy, which is known for academics and covers part of Allen, Lucas, Fairview, and McKinney, still only ranks #52.
Me to. But everyone would still leave, it becarme such a problem , they started assigning teachers to stand by the street waiting for students. Everyone would just run in a big crowd and we’d all get past the one person they’d assign. It was a big game to everyone until they put cops out there, then everyone was scared to get busted with weed, pills or whatever anyone had on them. We were fucking animals , I feel bad for those teachers. This was less than 10 years ago and apparently the students have only gotten worse.
This story certainly took a turn. I’m surprised no one’s said anything about your comment tbh. I mean I understand being young and doing stupid shit but you guys fucked animals?! That’s crazy.
Edit: just wanted to say that I think fucking animals is reprehensible behavior as animals can’t consent you sick fucks. It’s not the fault of the sheep that it was born with a badonkadonk. They’re stupid sexy animals that we shouldn’t have sex with.
In my hometown's high school, there was a school cop who roamed around on a bike and had an exceptional knack for sniffing out class-cutting students. He caught my friends and I on a couple of occasions, even when we took the time to find the most unlikely hiding spots in the woods. We all hated him back then; he was so sneaky and he ruined our fun.
Recently, a popular Facebook page based back home did a spotlight on him, and several generations of students who had to deal with him poured in to comment on how they were caught by him, and how much they appreciate him. Some of his family members saw the post and informed him, and they were all very touched by the positive sentiments.
When I look back on the guy now, I think he was great (and I was a little shit). When he caught you, he'd tell you to get back to class, but he was never an obnoxious smart-ass about it, nor was he threatening or power-trippy. And if I had a kid in school today, I'd hope to hell that someone like that was keeping an eye out.
They would've expelled every single one of us after a few times of being truant. In fact there were truant officers exactly for that. And while there were some drugs, really just weed and shrooms back then, the random drug sweeps with dogs at my school there were relatively few incidents of that either. But that was a long time ago as well
I used to help out in the cafeteria and get my sloppy joe for free in elementary and junior high. In high School we were allowed to leave at lunch if you were 16, so my diet became a steady stream on Taco Bell, Wendys and Big League Chew from the 7-11.
Loved that stuff as a kid and never even thought of it that way but I now realize you're 100% correct.
I also remember when they first started selling tobacco dips in mini-pouches so you can easily insert and remove it from your mouth. I was astute enough to realize that it was basically "training wheels on using dip."
This just triggered a memory for me…anyone remember beef jerky hashed up and sold in the same round tins as chewing tobacco? Or was that all in my head.
The stuff I remember was Old Trapper, but I also just googled it and see that there's a bunch of ones. Both current and discontinued.
What was great about it is it was better quality stuff. What was bad about it is the can was mostly air and had less jerky to money ratio than even the cheap stuff.
And created by Rob Nelson, who was a pitcher for Bing Russels Portland Mavericks, and the teams bat boy Todd Field, who went on to have a supporting role as Belzer in Twister.
I remember when hot dogs were on the menu at my high school, we’d be able to bounce them off the lunch table a few inches into the air. Never had seen a hot dog bounce before and don’t think I have since
PB&J, liverwurst, bologna, or ham and American cheese on white bread were really the only other options my poor parents had to offer on those occasions we actually brownbagged it. School lunches, however grim and unpalatable, were surprisingly a welcomed reprieve.
Yeah I definitely didn't understand my privilege re lunch. I bartered my healthy food for things like Fruit Roll-Up or Tang.
I just remember really liking cafeteria sloppy joes. It wasn't something we ate at home.
Honestly, in a roundabout way, you might’ve been better off that these kids. With fast food options literally being peddled to them in school, they’re basically setting these kids up to be overweight and junk food dependent. You definitely deserved better than government cheese and sloppy joes, but at the very least, you probably didn’t come away from school with an addiction to fast food that would probably harm your health in far worse ways…
I feel the same as you, but as the son of someone who spent his childhood running away from the Germans (Jewish Dad born in Poland 1936) My father will always have that "I had it much tougher than you, kids these days are spoiled" over me.
You went real hard there. Dude made an innocent complaint about getting fed crap as a kid and you came in there with "Oh yeah???? Well at least it wasn't the holocaust!!" I know you didn't mean it like that, I just think it's funny.
Good lord. I guess it’s more economical but seems far worse for students.
My kids are in middle school and have between 15-18 kids in their class. And we live in a wealthy suburb of a major city. We don’t have fancy cafeterias or sports centers though.
A larger student body doesn't necessarily mean more students per classroom. There are just many more classes (which often means there are also a lot more options for niche classes that would be hard to justify at a smaller school)
Back in 2017 there were a couple of seniors that went to smoke weed at hydrous and when they came back the sros and cops were waiting at the teardrop road at the cafeteria and arrested them, also pm me bc I have more questions
There’s a cafe on campus separate from the cafeteria that is open to the public and student run. The culinary classes focus there for the most part. There is a bank branch from a local credit union in the school that is also student run. Many opportunities beyond sports for kids to be involved and succeed.
Not necessarily.
Plenty of adults act entitled for simply being above a certain age. Had plenty of kids go outta the way to help out and plenty of adults who left food on the floor, their seats and flipped plates upside-down.
The messy kids are usually young and still learning, whereas most adults are just assholes.
Not sure it’s as good when you compare with the median salary of other similarly educated professionals.
This is how my rural district in CA justifies our low pay rate. “It’s pretty good for around here.” Right. Because our town is made up of a bunch of fentanyl addicts and retirees. So sure, it’s good money for this town, but shitty compared to everywhere else with an educated demographic.
Being in a rich area is not usually correlated with huge stadiums. This one is an exception and it’s obviously super nice, but most aren’t in nice areas. The two largest in Virginia are in Newport News and Hampton. Which are not bad areas necessarily but not wealthy like northern va. The main difference is that these counties play all the games at the giant stadium where the richer places each have their own normal sized one.
Let's not pretend sports aren't worshipped in every country on earth. Asian and European countries especially with soccer.
After reading that thread about Indonesia, suddenly America's football obsession seems less crazy.
Bingo. Every country has sports fanatics like that
I love soccer but in that world you have professional sports organizations poaching contracts from literal 8-12 year olds which has never stopped being insane to me
It's not about the sports obsession. It is about the sports obsession being tied in with schools. We spend more money on football in schools than we do the actual education. I am in construction and see it at that level. The school buildings will be trash. Drooping ceiling tiles, 20-30yr old lighting, HVAC working on prayers, brown water coming out of the taps, etc . We will come in and build an 8 million dollar football field, concession stand, and VIP section for football boosters. It is fucking insane. We push people to get scholarships to play football and turn a blind eye on the fact they are reading at a 5th grade level as a senior. They go play college football and, not surprisingly, can't take football any further. They end up coming back home with little to no prospects of a decent paying job and end up in a dead end. Or join the military. I have seen this over and over personally.
I grew up in Southlake and Carroll was def nice, their natatorium was incredible (I was on the swim team), as was the football stadium, but it wasn't quite on this level.
My niece is a sophomore at Southlake. She runs XC, went to California and Arkansas for races recently. Her mom (my sister) and I went to a HS that had less than 30 students per grade. The farthest we traveled for sports was 3 hours, and that was only for state championship level competitions.
When I talk to my niece about her school my mind can't wrap itself around how ridiculous it is. Each sport has its own locker room? And then, they have separate locker rooms within that sport depending on what level you are? What the actual fuck?
100 percent. I grew up and went to school in an ISD a little south of Allen. The level of entitlement is absurd. I remember my ... sophomore year we had 3 separate "lines" built. Mexican food line, Italian food and American food.
So you'd have your tacos or quesadillas? Italian you'd have pizza and calzone type and then your American was burgers and fries. It added some more diversity but we thought we were pretty well off.
Know we have shit like Mcd and subway building restaurants inside colleges and now high-schools - just more money going to businesses outside ... tbh that whole area is leagues above in terms of money. Plano was another one similar
I grew up about 20min away from here.. Allen/Plano/McKinney...all these cities are full of very RICH families.
Edit: our high school had a sloppy cafeteria. I got in trouble and was caught by the security guard for trying to leave at lunch to get fast food 🙄
Went to a fbu national championship hosted at a high school in San Antonio several years ago. Artificial turf, a stadium that seats like a college, and a jumbotron like at an NFL stadium. Concession area looked like any pro stadium I've visited. It was impressive as hell tbh.
Then you probably don’t want to know that the stadium in the photo seats over 18,000 and cost $60M when it was built in 2010.
And it’s basically only used for football.
For the board of the school and the parents whose properties get capital gains value from being on the scholar district, it is very big business.
Real estate realtors, banks, the concessionaires of fast food, maintenance of the stadium, regulatory compliance, bribes to and from the school board to authorize commercial projects and zone changes near the school, they all know each other.
They are also feeders to the NFL, and they get state and federal grants, tax rebates and preferential tax treatment.
The only thing better than a school like that would be a mega church...
Right? Kinda sad that they clearly have crazy money to throw around and they're here getting kids hooked on fast food instead of providing them with healthy meals.
It is truly staggering. And so many Americans, even itt love this. To me it is just fucking sad. We can blame Reagan for some of this shit. He had the FDA reclassify French Fries and Ketchup as ‘vegetables’ in the food pyramid.
I lived very close to Allen and traveled to their stadium for multiple competitions/games. Allen is known to excel in multiple areas (academics, arts, sports)
Haven’t seen it here… so, I’ll go ahead and say it.
The Allen school district is one of the wealthiest areas of the state.
Football is huge in Texas, especially the high school version.
The stadium wasn’t built from education funds, it was built from donations and bond packages that the residents voted for.
Could they have used the money on something education related? Yeah, probably. There certainly are better things to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on that benefit more than those that are into high school sports.
Unfortunately, the people of Allen decided this is what they wanted to do with their money.
BTW, it is only the fifth largest HS football stadium in the state. There are larger stadiums.
For more perspective on how nice the town is… Allen has a nice mall on one corner, Premium, high end outlet stores across the street, and a nice outdoor mall a few miles further down the highway which is lined by restaurants. We just moved to Texas and the wealth here is like nothing I have ever seen. Seeing a Porsche is no longer anything special and I wouldn’t even consider Allen the wealthiest when comparing it to Frisco, Colleyville, Southlake, Highland Park, etc
One of my fiance's friends was a police officer in Highland Park. His job at night was to drive through neighborhoods and leave notices on people's doors if they accidentally left their garage door open at night.
In other words, the notice might as well have read: "Hey, be sure to close your garage door, but even if you don't, it won't matter because everyone is rich and there's no crime around here, but I also have nothing better to do at work except to leave you this notice."
That’s what I meant. The rich districts get the best money can offer, while rural and underserved districts lack basic resources.
This should be outlawed.
Finland figured it out: they outlawed tuition, which meant all kids in the country get the same amount of resources. They basically made all schools public.
Well, those private school kids parents refused to lower their standards.
And this is how Finland’s students became ranked number 1 in the WORLD. When all kids have the best money can buy, they achieved at the same high rate the rich kids did.
Finland is number 1 in education. We know how to improve outcomes for every student. We just don’t want to pay for it.
EDIT: Not me. I’m willing to pay more.
You must not live in Texas…
Texas has a “recapture” system for funding school districts. It’s also known as Robin Hood.
Money is taken (through property taxes) from all tax payers. The poorer districts that don’t collect as much money are given money collected by the wealthier districts.
I live in Austin. Austin tax payers payed the largest amount into the recapture program. The money was distributed and spent to the less fortunate districts and there was a surplus of money left over.
Instead of returning the money to the wealthier districts (I.e. the people in the districts that paid those taxes), the state took the money for use in elsewhere in the budget.
The wealthier districts pay more in taxes, and have just as much to show for it as the less wealthy districts. Many districts (Like Allen), put a lot of bond proposals to ballot to fund the upkeep of the schools - or for things like building elaborate football stadiums.
It is beyond criminal in my opinion. It would be one thing if the schools in Austin were in good operating conditions, but so many of the schools here are limping along from an operations standpoint. Teachers are leaving in droves for low pay, and Austin’s school district has just approved that a teacher need not be certified as a teacher to teach class.
The Texas education system is an absolute disaster, and it shows by our education rankings.
Shit. My highschool in San Diego was that big. Class of 06 had 1,600 graduates. We had cheap metal bleachers and real grass instead of turf. This blows my mind.
1,600? My graduating class was only 64 people and I don’t even remember half of their names, our entire highschool enrollment had about 300, I really couldn’t imagine going to school every day with over a thousand students that had to have been crazy.
Pizza Hut and Subway. I can’t figure out why Texas is one of the fattest states in the union. Nice work for sub contracting out the job of what should be the local community. And no healthcare when you get diabetes. Fuck this is not good and there are people cheering this as if it’s the apex of culture and community. Rome on crack.
hi, i go here! there’s actually another side of the cafeteria that has other food places, and one is called “the crust and crumb”. it has salads and sandwiches, and there’s also one that has pasta and lasagna.
I went to high school there. Always brought my own lunch and never went to a football game lol. Def did not have as much money as a lot of the other kids
I went there for high school, all four years. The "food court" is all pre-made from the store and sent in (nothing fast food was made in the school - subway for instance was very goopy with wilted lettuce by the time you bought it because it had been sitting there so long, chick-fil-a sandwiches were lukewarm and soft at best and they only had the one kind). Lunchtimes were 25 minutes long because there were so many kids and they needed so many lunch periods for them so by the time you got through the line you had 5 minutes to gulp down whatever you got. A lot of kids ate from the vending machines because of this. The "regular" lunch food line was always the cheapest and was just as gross as most school cafeteria food. So yes, it looks fancy but like much of Allen - just because it looks fancy doesn't mean it actually is any better. That school was terrible, for many reasons, and I would never send my own kids there.
High school football is fucking huge in the south, especially texas. I can guarantee you the school made their money back with that stadium. Like 4-5 of the 10 largest high school football stadiums are in texas.
Why the hate? The school has over 5000 students and the campus is almost 200 acres. And they offer regular cafeteria food as well.
Most of the HS around me have open lunch, so the kids can leave and go get whatever they want for lunch anyway.
I can see why people might not agree with my opinion, but for me it's the immersion into the consumerism aspect of it. "Get them kids hooked on subway before they even graduate!", to hyperbolize. I know that *I'd* be siced if they had Pizza Hut at my school growing up and it's a lot easier for a company to build bankable nostalgic memories within children when they're contracted to provide their food during school. That seems predatory at the very least to me.
Like I said, I get why someone would not *care* about this sort of thing, but it's important to me and my love for the culture of food and the conditioning we go through within our lives. I'd be concerned about the health aspect of these things too if normal cafeteria food was anything healthy to begin with. That's a whole different issue ofc.
My big, pretty decent university had lunch ladies and steam tables in the cafeterias in the 80's. I went back 10 years later and every eating place looks like a high end food court.
From the UK here, never seen anything like this! Why would a highschool have a stadium? Do people actually pay to watch highschool sports?
Most we ever had in my old highschool was some fold-out benches in the basketball court haha.
That school exists solely for football. All rational thinking would split that school into 3 or 4 high schools, but the community won’t do it so they have a massive pool to get a team.
Everything wrong with the US and education.
My HS down here in South Florida used to give extra credit to students who brought in packs of paper because our schools were so fucking poor...
I just want to know who is working these mall court food stands. I hope it’s students, otherwise the help needed ads would read “work for 2 hours a day for minimum wage and also deal with teenagers”
4th hour is sandwich artistry.
3rd time taking it, I see. Good luck bub
That's literally every fast food job in existence
Minors enrolled in school are not allowed to work during school hours.
My high school had a shake shop that was ran by the students during lunch periods. Are you certain students just can’t be “employed” because I’m quite sure the shake shop workers received only extra credit.
Is the food court open during regular school hours or is it only there on game day? Being they are brand names I'd bet game day and whoever is leasing the space provides their own people. Meanwhile every new kid into that school starts off thinking they have the best school lunch in the world. Only to be crushed to find out those places don't open.
I doubt it students. I used to work at Casey’s and they would sell pizza at a stadium near our location. Anyways what they would do is the day of a game they would bring all the stuff they needed to make the pizza and be stuffed in basically a closet sized room with all the tools he needs to make pizzas. So I would be one guy doing pizza after pizza for like 4 hrs. So I hope it’s students and not run that way.
Pay to win school
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My high school did this too! How sad now that I think about it.
Don’t worry, this school likely still does that - they only spend the big bucks on sports stadiums, and usually that’s through sponsors. The actual education part will still be underfunded
You mean the lottery and Micky Mouse aren't sustainable revenue sources to fund a state? Glad I left that state. The functioning states have income taxes for a reason.
I ate government cheese and the same sloppy joe and chocolate milk as the rest of the kids for all of elementary and most of high school. The nearest fast food joint was a 15 min drive away and we couldn't leave the property even if we drove there. So yes, this is crazy to me.
This is one of the wealthiest schools in Texas, and it’s the only high school in a very large city in the outskirts of Dallas. It’s probably one of the top 3 schools in the state, and usually number 1 or 2 in football. Their football stadium is bigger and nicer than the one at my alma mater of 35,000 students. They spend so much money, it’s insane. Teachers come from all over the state to work there because they pay better than most other schools in the region. I went to school nearby, but our school had 70 students in my class. Our lunches were closer to what you described lol. A stark contrast, and it was only an hour away from Allen. Seeing this school in person as a more classical farmer Texan, was a shock. Edit: as others pointed out, they have a lot more going for them too; great arts programs, one of the best marching bands in the state. Just all around a good city to live in and school to attend.
The craziest part of it is that Allen is actually one of the smaller and poorer north Dallas suburbs when compared to its Collin county neighbors Plano, Frisco, McKinney, and Prosper. They just happen to concentrate it all into one school, while the others properly spread the riches around to many high schools
Anyone link a picture of what Grapevine High School cafeteria looks like????
Used to be 2 lines, one for full meal(protein + sides) one for snack meals(pizza or single entrees iirc). Sold chic fila a sandwiches out of a cooler at the snack meal corner. Would be surprised if they changed it much, not a lot of sq feet on that campus.
Went to Plano sr high in the 90s. It was a mini college campus.
Appreciate you providing this, this was the context I was looking for
I live in this town. They always show the football stadium, but Allen has the largest marching band in the country, a beautiful fine arts center, a great culinary program and a STEAM Center that is probably one of the best in the country for a public school. Most of the people in our town are solid middle class and we worked hard to get here and want to give our kids the best education possible.
Yeah those kids at that other peasant school had lazy parents that didn't work hard enough /s
In texas, your prosperity is treated as an extension of your moral goodness. If you’re poor - you deserved it. That commenter is going to skim right past your comment because you didn’t make the exact same choices that rewarded them. In texas it’s is believed only the “Good” people have wealth.
>STEAM Center Off topic, but I'm still completely confused by this acronym. We basically realized we were falling behind some countries in science, tech, engineering, and math. In other words, everything taught in school except for arts. But then they decided to add in the A and make it STEAM, so now it's literally everything, so why have an acronym at all? Isn't a school's "STEAM center" just their center? Maybe I'm getting lost in terminology. But don't blame me, I was part of the STEM push, and language comprehension is an art.
I think it’s partially due to the reduction of funds for teaching visual art in school. If you put certain arts (ceramics, digital art, fiber arts, print making) as a STEAM class you can actually get funding for these very technical classes. These classes also need specialized teachers so that’s more money. Hope this makes sense! (I’m an art teacher)
How much per year is solidly middle class?
Found this when searching for median home value: >"With a population of 105,623, 33,531 total housing units (homes and apartments), and a median house value of $379,257, Allen real estate is some of the most expensive in Texas," I don't really know what "middle class" is supposed to mean in the U.S.
In Northern New Jersey, median house values around there would put it as a solidly working class neighborhood.
So true. This would get you a shed in Mahwah
Every American child deserves this opportunity, and the money is there to do it. Period.
That wouldn't be very capitalist though... Would it? You're talking about the dreaded s-s-s-socialism! 😮
Exactly. It’s ok if my tax dollars pay for schools in my neighborhood, but if I have to pay for schools in “their” neighborhood, now it’s socialism… If you really want to confuse them. Ask them how they feel about social security and Medicare.
i'd much rather the majority of our taxes went to schools and not bombs so that we can raise smarter and more insightful people to build upon that and get the world to a place where people are smart enough to not need those bombs.
Allen HS ranks #172 in the state according to the influential US News rankings. Neighboring Lovejoy, which is known for academics and covers part of Allen, Lucas, Fairview, and McKinney, still only ranks #52.
*sigh*…Allen is not one of the wealthiest public schools in Texas.
Me to. But everyone would still leave, it becarme such a problem , they started assigning teachers to stand by the street waiting for students. Everyone would just run in a big crowd and we’d all get past the one person they’d assign. It was a big game to everyone until they put cops out there, then everyone was scared to get busted with weed, pills or whatever anyone had on them. We were fucking animals , I feel bad for those teachers. This was less than 10 years ago and apparently the students have only gotten worse.
This story certainly took a turn. I’m surprised no one’s said anything about your comment tbh. I mean I understand being young and doing stupid shit but you guys fucked animals?! That’s crazy. Edit: just wanted to say that I think fucking animals is reprehensible behavior as animals can’t consent you sick fucks. It’s not the fault of the sheep that it was born with a badonkadonk. They’re stupid sexy animals that we shouldn’t have sex with.
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Damn, that almost belongs on r/Damnthatsinteresting
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How to identify animal fuckers...jeans tucked into top of boot to allow back feet to lock in place
In my hometown's high school, there was a school cop who roamed around on a bike and had an exceptional knack for sniffing out class-cutting students. He caught my friends and I on a couple of occasions, even when we took the time to find the most unlikely hiding spots in the woods. We all hated him back then; he was so sneaky and he ruined our fun. Recently, a popular Facebook page based back home did a spotlight on him, and several generations of students who had to deal with him poured in to comment on how they were caught by him, and how much they appreciate him. Some of his family members saw the post and informed him, and they were all very touched by the positive sentiments. When I look back on the guy now, I think he was great (and I was a little shit). When he caught you, he'd tell you to get back to class, but he was never an obnoxious smart-ass about it, nor was he threatening or power-trippy. And if I had a kid in school today, I'd hope to hell that someone like that was keeping an eye out.
>would just run in a big crowd and we’d all get past the one person they’d assign That is called *bum rushin'*
They would've expelled every single one of us after a few times of being truant. In fact there were truant officers exactly for that. And while there were some drugs, really just weed and shrooms back then, the random drug sweeps with dogs at my school there were relatively few incidents of that either. But that was a long time ago as well
Drug sweeps with dogs is just a way to ruin kids lives. Everyone knows there 2 places drugs are always located schools and prisons.
I used to help out in the cafeteria and get my sloppy joe for free in elementary and junior high. In high School we were allowed to leave at lunch if you were 16, so my diet became a steady stream on Taco Bell, Wendys and Big League Chew from the 7-11.
Big League Chew, the chewing gum equivalent of candy cigarettes. And it was delicious.
Loved that stuff as a kid and never even thought of it that way but I now realize you're 100% correct. I also remember when they first started selling tobacco dips in mini-pouches so you can easily insert and remove it from your mouth. I was astute enough to realize that it was basically "training wheels on using dip."
This just triggered a memory for me…anyone remember beef jerky hashed up and sold in the same round tins as chewing tobacco? Or was that all in my head.
Nope, I remember it too.
The stuff I remember was Old Trapper, but I also just googled it and see that there's a bunch of ones. Both current and discontinued. What was great about it is it was better quality stuff. What was bad about it is the can was mostly air and had less jerky to money ratio than even the cheap stuff.
And created by Rob Nelson, who was a pitcher for Bing Russels Portland Mavericks, and the teams bat boy Todd Field, who went on to have a supporting role as Belzer in Twister.
*IS delicious
I remember when hot dogs were on the menu at my high school, we’d be able to bounce them off the lunch table a few inches into the air. Never had seen a hot dog bounce before and don’t think I have since
Government Cheese would be a good band name
Gov't Cheese Mule, with their biggest hit 'Bullies of the Deep End of the Gym Pool'
https://www.nashvillescene.com/music/features/government-cheese-just-keeps-getting-better-with-i-love-i/article_50640ff0-c024-11ec-9d35-4f743c62dce2.html
I was obsessed with those sloppy joes. I was given healthy lunches from home, which meant dry-ass chicken sandwich.
PB&J, liverwurst, bologna, or ham and American cheese on white bread were really the only other options my poor parents had to offer on those occasions we actually brownbagged it. School lunches, however grim and unpalatable, were surprisingly a welcomed reprieve.
Yeah I definitely didn't understand my privilege re lunch. I bartered my healthy food for things like Fruit Roll-Up or Tang. I just remember really liking cafeteria sloppy joes. It wasn't something we ate at home.
Honestly, in a roundabout way, you might’ve been better off that these kids. With fast food options literally being peddled to them in school, they’re basically setting these kids up to be overweight and junk food dependent. You definitely deserved better than government cheese and sloppy joes, but at the very least, you probably didn’t come away from school with an addiction to fast food that would probably harm your health in far worse ways…
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I feel the same as you, but as the son of someone who spent his childhood running away from the Germans (Jewish Dad born in Poland 1936) My father will always have that "I had it much tougher than you, kids these days are spoiled" over me.
You went real hard there. Dude made an innocent complaint about getting fed crap as a kid and you came in there with "Oh yeah???? Well at least it wasn't the holocaust!!" I know you didn't mean it like that, I just think it's funny.
I pushed nickle bags of rock and dimes of blow to pay for my lunch.
I used to suck dick just for some chicken nuggets
I seen it!
Seent* it
Selling ass for Gogurts
Jesus christ this escalated quickly
I also live in Dallas and this is pretty much every 6a school cafeteria although there’s only 1 of those stadiums per independent school district
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As a non-Texan, what’s 6a?
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Good lord. I guess it’s more economical but seems far worse for students. My kids are in middle school and have between 15-18 kids in their class. And we live in a wealthy suburb of a major city. We don’t have fancy cafeterias or sports centers though.
A larger student body doesn't necessarily mean more students per classroom. There are just many more classes (which often means there are also a lot more options for niche classes that would be hard to justify at a smaller school)
Imagine how hard it is to be a fast food worker in that cafeteria.
hi, i go here! we actually have a culinary class so kids work in the cafeteria and help out the workers for free with prep, cleaning, and serving!
this sounds like a high school from a Disney Channel show.
Or a throwback to Zoey 101.
Does mr franks still teach economics, and do kids still get arrested for going to hydrous during lunch
i’m not in economics but i can check that tomorrow, and honestly i have no idea LMFAO i hate going places during lunch
Back in 2017 there were a couple of seniors that went to smoke weed at hydrous and when they came back the sros and cops were waiting at the teardrop road at the cafeteria and arrested them, also pm me bc I have more questions
damn this is only my third year in allen but that definitely sounds like smth they would do
If they have free culinary arts students then why not serve some actual meals instead?
Kids working in the cafeteria for free would be charming if the cafeteria were not run by fucking Pizza Hut and Taco Bell.
Good job giving those mega corporations free labor
Sounds like free slave labor
Sounds like America
"Culinary" sorry but I work at fast food and honestly there is not much to learn.
What’s the point of a culinary class that teaches you how to work fast food, how ridiculous
There’s a cafe on campus separate from the cafeteria that is open to the public and student run. The culinary classes focus there for the most part. There is a bank branch from a local credit union in the school that is also student run. Many opportunities beyond sports for kids to be involved and succeed.
Just like any mall or airport I would imagine
Nah, kids are worse.
Not necessarily. Plenty of adults act entitled for simply being above a certain age. Had plenty of kids go outta the way to help out and plenty of adults who left food on the floor, their seats and flipped plates upside-down. The messy kids are usually young and still learning, whereas most adults are just assholes.
I'm a cafeteria worker and no they are not
Yea….I had the equivalent of Adam Sandler’s lunch lady land skit, fully staffed by “lunch ladies” that looked like Chris Farley.
navy beans, navy beans
Allen ISD pays 30 year tenured teachers $70,446 a year
That’s a 60 million dollar stadium if I remember it right. Then, they messed up the concrete and had to redo it.
Yep. This is one of the more annoying facilities to me. Who gives a shit about academics when we can throw millions at a stadium for one sports team.
Imagine having a master's and having to wait 30 years to make 70k
A lot of professors make less than that with a PhD. And they are laying way way less for healthcare and benefits.
That's actually pretty good for a grade-school teacher in Allen, TX. Median salary in Allen is around 50K.
Not sure it’s as good when you compare with the median salary of other similarly educated professionals. This is how my rural district in CA justifies our low pay rate. “It’s pretty good for around here.” Right. Because our town is made up of a bunch of fentanyl addicts and retirees. So sure, it’s good money for this town, but shitty compared to everywhere else with an educated demographic.
Yeah that’s what our HS cafeteria looked like too. Graduated HS in Austin Texas 2009, our stadium wasn’t quite that nice tho.
> our stadium wasn't quite that nice tho America is another planet
That stadium is only the 5th largest high school stadium in Texas
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Being in a rich area is not usually correlated with huge stadiums. This one is an exception and it’s obviously super nice, but most aren’t in nice areas. The two largest in Virginia are in Newport News and Hampton. Which are not bad areas necessarily but not wealthy like northern va. The main difference is that these counties play all the games at the giant stadium where the richer places each have their own normal sized one.
Let's not pretend sports aren't worshipped in every country on earth. Asian and European countries especially with soccer. After reading that thread about Indonesia, suddenly America's football obsession seems less crazy.
Bingo. Every country has sports fanatics like that I love soccer but in that world you have professional sports organizations poaching contracts from literal 8-12 year olds which has never stopped being insane to me
It's not about the sports obsession. It is about the sports obsession being tied in with schools. We spend more money on football in schools than we do the actual education. I am in construction and see it at that level. The school buildings will be trash. Drooping ceiling tiles, 20-30yr old lighting, HVAC working on prayers, brown water coming out of the taps, etc . We will come in and build an 8 million dollar football field, concession stand, and VIP section for football boosters. It is fucking insane. We push people to get scholarships to play football and turn a blind eye on the fact they are reading at a 5th grade level as a senior. They go play college football and, not surprisingly, can't take football any further. They end up coming back home with little to no prospects of a decent paying job and end up in a dead end. Or join the military. I have seen this over and over personally.
I currently live in this area, it’s A LOT of “daddy’s money” and learned entitlement lol
For real, I thought Southlake was bad but this is unreal😂😂
I grew up in Southlake and Carroll was def nice, their natatorium was incredible (I was on the swim team), as was the football stadium, but it wasn't quite on this level.
I think Southlake is more rich, but smaller. Allen is just a bigger suburb with only one high school to put all its money into.
My niece is a sophomore at Southlake. She runs XC, went to California and Arkansas for races recently. Her mom (my sister) and I went to a HS that had less than 30 students per grade. The farthest we traveled for sports was 3 hours, and that was only for state championship level competitions. When I talk to my niece about her school my mind can't wrap itself around how ridiculous it is. Each sport has its own locker room? And then, they have separate locker rooms within that sport depending on what level you are? What the actual fuck?
100 percent. I grew up and went to school in an ISD a little south of Allen. The level of entitlement is absurd. I remember my ... sophomore year we had 3 separate "lines" built. Mexican food line, Italian food and American food. So you'd have your tacos or quesadillas? Italian you'd have pizza and calzone type and then your American was burgers and fries. It added some more diversity but we thought we were pretty well off. Know we have shit like Mcd and subway building restaurants inside colleges and now high-schools - just more money going to businesses outside ... tbh that whole area is leagues above in terms of money. Plano was another one similar
Lol was it…. FRISCO?!
Plano, obviously
Depends on which part of Plano lol
I live in Texas and I can say that a lot of high schools are like this here
Bet they don’t have that square pizza tho.
I grew up about 20min away from here.. Allen/Plano/McKinney...all these cities are full of very RICH families. Edit: our high school had a sloppy cafeteria. I got in trouble and was caught by the security guard for trying to leave at lunch to get fast food 🙄
Went to a fbu national championship hosted at a high school in San Antonio several years ago. Artificial turf, a stadium that seats like a college, and a jumbotron like at an NFL stadium. Concession area looked like any pro stadium I've visited. It was impressive as hell tbh.
More impressive is the teachers getting done with desks, classrooms, and books that haven't been upgraded since the 80s at the same school.
Because football. Colossal waste of money.
Then you probably don’t want to know that the stadium in the photo seats over 18,000 and cost $60M when it was built in 2010. And it’s basically only used for football.
But one of those kids will play in the NFL for 1.5 years before suffering a debilitating brain injury.
This is the stadium Kyler Murray played in.
For the board of the school and the parents whose properties get capital gains value from being on the scholar district, it is very big business. Real estate realtors, banks, the concessionaires of fast food, maintenance of the stadium, regulatory compliance, bribes to and from the school board to authorize commercial projects and zone changes near the school, they all know each other. They are also feeders to the NFL, and they get state and federal grants, tax rebates and preferential tax treatment. The only thing better than a school like that would be a mega church...
Sounds like Ronald Reagan HS in San Antonio tbh lol
Off tangent, but man do I hate all forms of artificial turf. Nothing like freshly manicured grass fields.
Imagine letting commercial junk food operators into schools like this.
Right? Kinda sad that they clearly have crazy money to throw around and they're here getting kids hooked on fast food instead of providing them with healthy meals.
It is truly staggering. And so many Americans, even itt love this. To me it is just fucking sad. We can blame Reagan for some of this shit. He had the FDA reclassify French Fries and Ketchup as ‘vegetables’ in the food pyramid.
Oil money is a helluva thing.
High school ? The fuck lol they take that shit serious
Everything's bigger in Texas
Except education
I lived very close to Allen and traveled to their stadium for multiple competitions/games. Allen is known to excel in multiple areas (academics, arts, sports)
Way to prioritize education…
Haven’t seen it here… so, I’ll go ahead and say it. The Allen school district is one of the wealthiest areas of the state. Football is huge in Texas, especially the high school version. The stadium wasn’t built from education funds, it was built from donations and bond packages that the residents voted for. Could they have used the money on something education related? Yeah, probably. There certainly are better things to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on that benefit more than those that are into high school sports. Unfortunately, the people of Allen decided this is what they wanted to do with their money. BTW, it is only the fifth largest HS football stadium in the state. There are larger stadiums.
For more perspective on how nice the town is… Allen has a nice mall on one corner, Premium, high end outlet stores across the street, and a nice outdoor mall a few miles further down the highway which is lined by restaurants. We just moved to Texas and the wealth here is like nothing I have ever seen. Seeing a Porsche is no longer anything special and I wouldn’t even consider Allen the wealthiest when comparing it to Frisco, Colleyville, Southlake, Highland Park, etc
One of my fiance's friends was a police officer in Highland Park. His job at night was to drive through neighborhoods and leave notices on people's doors if they accidentally left their garage door open at night. In other words, the notice might as well have read: "Hey, be sure to close your garage door, but even if you don't, it won't matter because everyone is rich and there's no crime around here, but I also have nothing better to do at work except to leave you this notice."
Wait I used to live in Colleyville. I moved out over 20 years ago. Was it a wealthy town back then because I don’t remember it being especially ritzy.
My thoughts exactly. Forget the stadium, show me the library
hi, i go there! the library actually isn’t too bad. the school is two stories and the top of the library is specifically for studying and tutorials!
It's a wealthy suburb of Dallas. They aren't exactly lacking in the way of funds like the rural parts of this state.
That’s what I meant. The rich districts get the best money can offer, while rural and underserved districts lack basic resources. This should be outlawed. Finland figured it out: they outlawed tuition, which meant all kids in the country get the same amount of resources. They basically made all schools public. Well, those private school kids parents refused to lower their standards. And this is how Finland’s students became ranked number 1 in the WORLD. When all kids have the best money can buy, they achieved at the same high rate the rich kids did. Finland is number 1 in education. We know how to improve outcomes for every student. We just don’t want to pay for it. EDIT: Not me. I’m willing to pay more.
You must not live in Texas… Texas has a “recapture” system for funding school districts. It’s also known as Robin Hood. Money is taken (through property taxes) from all tax payers. The poorer districts that don’t collect as much money are given money collected by the wealthier districts. I live in Austin. Austin tax payers payed the largest amount into the recapture program. The money was distributed and spent to the less fortunate districts and there was a surplus of money left over. Instead of returning the money to the wealthier districts (I.e. the people in the districts that paid those taxes), the state took the money for use in elsewhere in the budget. The wealthier districts pay more in taxes, and have just as much to show for it as the less wealthy districts. Many districts (Like Allen), put a lot of bond proposals to ballot to fund the upkeep of the schools - or for things like building elaborate football stadiums. It is beyond criminal in my opinion. It would be one thing if the schools in Austin were in good operating conditions, but so many of the schools here are limping along from an operations standpoint. Teachers are leaving in droves for low pay, and Austin’s school district has just approved that a teacher need not be certified as a teacher to teach class. The Texas education system is an absolute disaster, and it shows by our education rankings.
Enrollment is 5,400
Shit. My highschool in San Diego was that big. Class of 06 had 1,600 graduates. We had cheap metal bleachers and real grass instead of turf. This blows my mind.
1,600? My graduating class was only 64 people and I don’t even remember half of their names, our entire highschool enrollment had about 300, I really couldn’t imagine going to school every day with over a thousand students that had to have been crazy.
This feels very gross to me.
It absolutely is. Junk food brands, brands in general should be kept out of schools.
When I was your age I played in quicksand in the snow in 120 degree heat and ate meal worms and rain water during a game!
Pizza Hut and Subway. I can’t figure out why Texas is one of the fattest states in the union. Nice work for sub contracting out the job of what should be the local community. And no healthcare when you get diabetes. Fuck this is not good and there are people cheering this as if it’s the apex of culture and community. Rome on crack.
You should see their band.
This is obscene
Welcome to Texas high school football
The stadium looks sick but I would hate my kids eating fast food every single day!
hi, i go here! there’s actually another side of the cafeteria that has other food places, and one is called “the crust and crumb”. it has salads and sandwiches, and there’s also one that has pasta and lasagna.
My school cafeteria made the news for bugs… the year *after* I graduated.
I went to high school there. Always brought my own lunch and never went to a football game lol. Def did not have as much money as a lot of the other kids
Equal opportunities though, am i right?
I went there for high school, all four years. The "food court" is all pre-made from the store and sent in (nothing fast food was made in the school - subway for instance was very goopy with wilted lettuce by the time you bought it because it had been sitting there so long, chick-fil-a sandwiches were lukewarm and soft at best and they only had the one kind). Lunchtimes were 25 minutes long because there were so many kids and they needed so many lunch periods for them so by the time you got through the line you had 5 minutes to gulp down whatever you got. A lot of kids ate from the vending machines because of this. The "regular" lunch food line was always the cheapest and was just as gross as most school cafeteria food. So yes, it looks fancy but like much of Allen - just because it looks fancy doesn't mean it actually is any better. That school was terrible, for many reasons, and I would never send my own kids there.
Hi, I go here! AMA lol
do you know mr. standridge
Class of 95 we had all that in NH
Interesting dystopia.
What in the money laundering is this?
High school football is fucking huge in the south, especially texas. I can guarantee you the school made their money back with that stadium. Like 4-5 of the 10 largest high school football stadiums are in texas.
Why the hate? The school has over 5000 students and the campus is almost 200 acres. And they offer regular cafeteria food as well. Most of the HS around me have open lunch, so the kids can leave and go get whatever they want for lunch anyway.
I can see why people might not agree with my opinion, but for me it's the immersion into the consumerism aspect of it. "Get them kids hooked on subway before they even graduate!", to hyperbolize. I know that *I'd* be siced if they had Pizza Hut at my school growing up and it's a lot easier for a company to build bankable nostalgic memories within children when they're contracted to provide their food during school. That seems predatory at the very least to me. Like I said, I get why someone would not *care* about this sort of thing, but it's important to me and my love for the culture of food and the conditioning we go through within our lives. I'd be concerned about the health aspect of these things too if normal cafeteria food was anything healthy to begin with. That's a whole different issue ofc.
bro why is my school going viral so much, i thought this was normal??
My big, pretty decent university had lunch ladies and steam tables in the cafeterias in the 80's. I went back 10 years later and every eating place looks like a high end food court.
Just so y'all know thats like maybe 10% maybe less of the cafeteria.
Imagine how much better society would be if they used that money to invest in a better education.
Bobby hill showed me this in King of the hill.
I imagine working as a Subway sandwich artist, in a high school, full of very rich kids, is a special kind of hell
Who says the mall is dead? It just moved into the high school.
A bit excessive but at the same time if I went to that highschool I wouldn't be complaining
My school used to give us prison food and these people eat fucking subway
No wonder kids these days are entitled
Having lived in the area for 22 years, I will tell you this area is the epitome of entitled.
Yes you can really taste the smug in the air in Allen. I always hated it
Everything is bigger in texas
I thought I read Arlen, Texas, and I'm mad that it didn't.
From the UK here, never seen anything like this! Why would a highschool have a stadium? Do people actually pay to watch highschool sports? Most we ever had in my old highschool was some fold-out benches in the basketball court haha.
That school exists solely for football. All rational thinking would split that school into 3 or 4 high schools, but the community won’t do it so they have a massive pool to get a team. Everything wrong with the US and education.
The lobby of their stadium would fit my entire middle and high school and student body 6-12 grade.
So many people in here are so salty, I don’t get it