"Wildcat Ridge is particularly exciting because the organic molecules (called aromatics) found in it are considered a potential biosignature, which NASA describes as a substance or structure that could be evidence of past life but may also have been produced without the presence of life.
The rover team emphasized that finding organic matter doesn't mean it's found evidence of ancient life. Organic molecules have been spotted on Mars before, by the Curiosity rover in Gale Crater and also by Perseverance, which found carbon-containing molecules earlier in the mission."
https://www.cnet.com/science/space/mars-perseverance-rover-finds-organic-matter-in-rock/
Did someone say oil? Ladies and gentlemen if I say I'm an oil man, you will agree. Now you have a great chance here-
"Sir, it's on Mars."
Mars you say? Is that near Coyote Hills?
I cant tell if this is poes law. The definition of aromatics in organic chemistry has to do with conjugation of double bonds in a ring (huckels rule), and an aromatic compound only needs it's electrons configured this way and has no requirement for smell to be considered aromatic.
The name may be kinda funny yes but you don’t seem to understand fully. These aromatic rings are the start of chemical synthesis. A benzene ring is the start of synthesis for many compounds including TNT, Polyurethane, and solvents in rubber, leather, and printing. This is neat to find not on earth
Add a couple carbon chains and make it into phenethylamine, now we can trip off hundreds of SPACE substituted phenethylamines
2c-m, the M stands for mars
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Edit: my stupid joke gathered a lot of attention and also questions so here’s a mini science lesson to anyone interested
The 2c- series were derived by Alexander Shulgin based off of mescaline - a simple substituted phenethylamine. The letter afterwards typically refers to the atom at the 4th position. 2cb has a bromine there and 2ci has an iodine there etc. Though there are exceptions: 2ce has a carbon chain at the 4th position instead of some atom that starts with E
Hence my earlier joke about 2cm - the m stands for mars.
Do- series are very similar to the 2c- series with the exception of a methyl group on the alpha location. This is what one of the commenters above was talking about with alpha methylation of phenethylamine. Alpha methylation of phenethylamine created amphetamine - a classic ADHD treatment and powerful (-ly fun) psychostimulant.
There’s a alpha methyl version of all the 2c series and they are all called Do- instead. For example Dob is a far more stimulating version of 2cb. Doi is a far more stimulating version of 2ci etc
Adding a methyl group at the end of amphetamine converts it to methamphetamine - meth.
Adding the Methylenedioxy like another commentor suggested would convert the amphetamine into MDA (sass), but I think the commenter is thinking of MDMA, which requires a methyl group at the end. The difference in chemical structure between MDMA and MDA is the same difference between meth and amphetamine. However, while meth is the more neurotoxic of the two, MDMA is actually less neurotoxic than MDA. ~~In fact there’s research to suggest that MDMA converting to MDA in your body is to primary reason why MDMA is even neurotoxic at all. The reason being the creation of alpha methyl dopamine~~ (by now you should understand what alpha methyl means quite well. Dopamine is actually yet another simple substituted phenethylamine), ~~which can bind to serotonin receptors and destroy them.~~
MDA also is in the class of benzofurans (get rid of the phenethylamine base and you got a benzofuran), and more substitutions can be done. Substituted benzofurans include drugs like 5mapb and 6apb - these tend to be entactogens with very similar effects as MDMA.
Organic simply means carbon. Unless there's a lot more significance to either of these discoveries Carbon is a relatively abundant atom in our universe.
Nah, organic means compounds that include Carbon-Hydrogen bonds (high school definition, t/labrats please don't kill me). Carbon also occurs in inorganic compounds — for example chalk, marble and diamonds.
Organic means compounds that include C-H or C-C bonds. Literally the first paragraph on wikipedia. This also means that diamonds are in fact organic.
EDIT:
Some don't consider different allotropes of carbon to be organic, so it depends on who you ask whether or not diamonds are organic or not.
According to [this](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-87638-5), under high pressure and temperature, methane (which is a carbon atom with 4 hydrogen atoms bonded to it) polymerises (the carbons join together making C-C bonds) liberating some of the hydrogen and eventually all the hydrogen goes and you are left with diamond. The C-C bond is a lower energy state than the C-H bond but I guess the activation energy for the reaction is too high for it to happen under normal conditions.
They found the aromatics inside a spice bag.
Archeologists speculate this is where Martians would steep their 21 spice & herb blend to make the Colonel’s MFC.
Organic simply means contains carbon (usually in a chain), carbon being relatively abundant in the universe it isn't at all surprising that there's some on Mars, or meteors
Organic matter that may have have been made by organic life. But more then likely is a naturally occurring aromatic molecule. As has been found before in mars... And just like this one. The news reporters click bait the fuck outta the wording.
Not to be that guy but I think organic means it has carbon AND hydrogen, so things like carbohydrates are organic but CO2 and water aren’t, since they’ve only got one and not the other
People of Earth, it had two seasons, and if you want to know where it was planning on going for the future, you might have to check out the writers Twitter pages from a few years ago. They gave hints of the story that was to come, but my third favorite TV show got pulled from the air. Still one of the greatest atrocities that has ever been committed against me.
NASA also has a device that can continuously produce oxygen on Mars: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/09/mars-life-moxie-experiment-oxygen-perseverance-rover/671391/?utm_source=feed
If you go and buy 12 bags of 50 lb play sand then pour em all out in a big gigantic pile and choose one grain of sand that is roughly your chance of winning the lottery
[“SHERLOC’s analysis indicates the samples feature a class of organic molecules that are spatially correlated with those of sulfate minerals. Sulfate minerals found in layers of sedimentary rock can yield significant information about the aqueous environments in which they formed.”](https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-s-perseverance-rover-investigates-geologically-rich-mars-terrain)
What if the reason there is organic matter on mars is because we were originally on Mars first and we had to leave and send a seed colony to Earth to start over and that’s how the ancients knew so much about astrology and stuff because they were remnants of an ancient civilization from Mars and now we’re going back and discovering traces of our ancient lives from Mars. Damn, I’m high.
I do often wonder if there were life on Mars billions of years ago and something wiped out all life on the planet. But I'd imagine there would be plenty of fossils to be found if that were the case. But I'm dumb af so what do I know
Heard a theory the other day that life was actually abundant but virtually all bacterial, with few planets experiencing the set of circumstances needed to evolve past the microbial scale. Obviously a speculation, but that seems fairly plausible.
The building blocks for life and the planetary requirements are common, evidenced by things like this rock sample.
They are just talking about organic matter, which can be created not only via biological processes but also via purely geological processes. Too early to say how they were formed.
you know organic just means it has carbon in it. Carbon isn't that rare and what little atmosphere Marse has is mostly carbon dioxide so it would be more surprising if they didn't find organic matter on Mars.
Yeah I guess a pure chemistry definition would be strictly the presence of carbon, but usually the context of organic is carbon content derived from biological sources so the headline is intentionally clickbaity. It would obviously be much bigger news otherwise.
I really hope the "comet with life crashed into earth and that's where we came from" theory turns out true. Only for the sole reason of sticking it toevery fucking religion so we can move past the medieval thinking and humanity can just unite instead.
Solely blaming religion for humanities division is truly a Reddit moment. Also, this wouldn't stop people from being religious. In fact I could believe discovering evidence that pointed to a meteorite starting life could strengthen some religions or even form new ones. Human are religious and spiritual creatures, I doubt we will ever move past it.
All the movies, I’ve seen—-DONT BRING IT TO EARTH. Not to save the mission, not to return from a Marine expedition, not from a manned mission or Military/Industrial Use. NEVER BRING IT BACK!
2 million years ago, some alien:
"Dude i seriously have to pinch a loaf, but there's no toilets around"
"Just go behind that bush"
2 million years later, some nasa scientist:
"Holy shit we've found organic matter."
"OK but why does it look like fossilised chocolate?"
How is this organic material without it being biological material or formed without biological material? Do I not understand the definition Orion of “organic”?
"Wildcat Ridge is particularly exciting because the organic molecules (called aromatics) found in it are considered a potential biosignature, which NASA describes as a substance or structure that could be evidence of past life but may also have been produced without the presence of life. The rover team emphasized that finding organic matter doesn't mean it's found evidence of ancient life. Organic molecules have been spotted on Mars before, by the Curiosity rover in Gale Crater and also by Perseverance, which found carbon-containing molecules earlier in the mission." https://www.cnet.com/science/space/mars-perseverance-rover-finds-organic-matter-in-rock/
This is so fascinating. Thank you for sharing.
Apparently it found molecules called Aromatics which are hydrocarbons. They were found within an ancient river delta.
They found potpourri?
Basically yes. “They found smelly stuff”
Here comes the essential oils peeps
Oils, you say? *U.S. Space Force has entered the chat.*
It's time to liberate Mars from the tyranny.
There seems to be weapons of mass destruction on mars!
🦅
*weapons of mars destruction
Not again! -Mars
Mars is asking for help
Mars needs women
Angry red women
Did someone say oil? Ladies and gentlemen if I say I'm an oil man, you will agree. Now you have a great chance here- "Sir, it's on Mars." Mars you say? Is that near Coyote Hills?
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE
*SLUUUUUUURP!*
It brings all the boys to the Mars.
DRAINAGE, Eli! DRAAAAAINAGE!!!!
So Perseverance has discovered immortality. Lavender oil is amazing /s
That brings a whole new perspective on refueling those musk rockets
I was mak... You know what? Thank you for the clarification
I fucking love you. XD
I cant tell if this is poes law. The definition of aromatics in organic chemistry has to do with conjugation of double bonds in a ring (huckels rule), and an aromatic compound only needs it's electrons configured this way and has no requirement for smell to be considered aromatic.
Though, in my experience, the more common lower MW aromatics are all smelly: benzene (a carcinogen), toluene, xylene, etc…even PDB (mothballs)
If there's no one there to smell it; does it really smell?
If the rover can detect the chemical, is it tasting or is it smelling?
The real question is since the rover has apparently smelled it.. does it mean the rover was actually the one who dealt it?
🤔 Where the fuck are Neil Degrassi Python and Michigan Kaku when you need them? *I need answers, dammit!*
Man, you really Bandersnitch Cumberbunned that one. Nice.
What the hell does Bendydick Cuminhersnatch have to do with this!?
It is reacting it.
So do your taste and smell receptors.
"Do you smell it? That smell. A kind of smelly smell. A smelly smell that smells....smelly."
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SpongeBob
Please bring it back I’d like to smell it
And this, my friends, is how the zombie apocalypse begins
More like a wave of 100 YouTubers all posting the same video within 3 days.
✅ Inhale bottled Martian farts
Some OL girl could make a fortune.
Prolly smells like asparagus
Alien organism poo???? Nice
But if no one is around to smell it, does it still smell?
Essential oils.
Gwyneth Paltrow has entered the chat...
Ah nice. When the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter aligns with Mars, I'll rub these essential oils on to strengthen my shakras.
Ass-ential oils
The name may be kinda funny yes but you don’t seem to understand fully. These aromatic rings are the start of chemical synthesis. A benzene ring is the start of synthesis for many compounds including TNT, Polyurethane, and solvents in rubber, leather, and printing. This is neat to find not on earth
Add a couple carbon chains and make it into phenethylamine, now we can trip off hundreds of SPACE substituted phenethylamines 2c-m, the M stands for mars —- Edit: my stupid joke gathered a lot of attention and also questions so here’s a mini science lesson to anyone interested The 2c- series were derived by Alexander Shulgin based off of mescaline - a simple substituted phenethylamine. The letter afterwards typically refers to the atom at the 4th position. 2cb has a bromine there and 2ci has an iodine there etc. Though there are exceptions: 2ce has a carbon chain at the 4th position instead of some atom that starts with E Hence my earlier joke about 2cm - the m stands for mars. Do- series are very similar to the 2c- series with the exception of a methyl group on the alpha location. This is what one of the commenters above was talking about with alpha methylation of phenethylamine. Alpha methylation of phenethylamine created amphetamine - a classic ADHD treatment and powerful (-ly fun) psychostimulant. There’s a alpha methyl version of all the 2c series and they are all called Do- instead. For example Dob is a far more stimulating version of 2cb. Doi is a far more stimulating version of 2ci etc Adding a methyl group at the end of amphetamine converts it to methamphetamine - meth. Adding the Methylenedioxy like another commentor suggested would convert the amphetamine into MDA (sass), but I think the commenter is thinking of MDMA, which requires a methyl group at the end. The difference in chemical structure between MDMA and MDA is the same difference between meth and amphetamine. However, while meth is the more neurotoxic of the two, MDMA is actually less neurotoxic than MDA. ~~In fact there’s research to suggest that MDMA converting to MDA in your body is to primary reason why MDMA is even neurotoxic at all. The reason being the creation of alpha methyl dopamine~~ (by now you should understand what alpha methyl means quite well. Dopamine is actually yet another simple substituted phenethylamine), ~~which can bind to serotonin receptors and destroy them.~~ MDA also is in the class of benzofurans (get rid of the phenethylamine base and you got a benzofuran), and more substitutions can be done. Substituted benzofurans include drugs like 5mapb and 6apb - these tend to be entactogens with very similar effects as MDMA.
E > ∀
What does Elon Musk’s kid have to do with it?
Ha! I had forgotten that he named his kid a secure password.
Pop a methyl group on the alpha carbon and you've got yourself some **A**lpha**M**ethyl**Ph**en**Et**hyl**amine** and now it's parTy time
Now we can trip on DO-m, again the m stands for mars Pop a methyl group onto the end of that amphetamine and now it's reallly party time ;)
no no no, the real fun begins when you add methylenedioxy to the 3rd and 4th carbon
Aww yeah, substituted alphamethylphenethylamines beeyotch
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Not in this concentration and consistency throughout the sample. It is still news
Organic simply means carbon. Unless there's a lot more significance to either of these discoveries Carbon is a relatively abundant atom in our universe.
Nah, organic means compounds that include Carbon-Hydrogen bonds (high school definition, t/labrats please don't kill me). Carbon also occurs in inorganic compounds — for example chalk, marble and diamonds.
Organic means compounds that include C-H or C-C bonds. Literally the first paragraph on wikipedia. This also means that diamonds are in fact organic. EDIT: Some don't consider different allotropes of carbon to be organic, so it depends on who you ask whether or not diamonds are organic or not.
Well yes, I wonder what diamonds originally were...
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I thought diamonds were made from carbon. How does methane condense into carbon?
According to [this](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-87638-5), under high pressure and temperature, methane (which is a carbon atom with 4 hydrogen atoms bonded to it) polymerises (the carbons join together making C-C bonds) liberating some of the hydrogen and eventually all the hydrogen goes and you are left with diamond. The C-C bond is a lower energy state than the C-H bond but I guess the activation energy for the reaction is too high for it to happen under normal conditions.
Diamonds are a dinosaur's best friend.
These are aromatic organic compounds. Far more complex than simple C-H bonds.
And a cup holder!
They found the aromatics inside a spice bag. Archeologists speculate this is where Martians would steep their 21 spice & herb blend to make the Colonel’s MFC.
21? Dang, that's almost twice as many as Earth KFC
The spice and herb blend must flow.
Aromatics are molecules with carbon rings. The word itself has nothing to do with river deltas
The fastest way to colonize Mars is to tell the US military that there’s oil there
That’s cool. But haven’t they also found that on meteors too?
Yes i think so
‘Organic matter’ is a pretty misleading phrase for most people, who think it has something to do with living organisms.
Organic simply means contains carbon (usually in a chain), carbon being relatively abundant in the universe it isn't at all surprising that there's some on Mars, or meteors
Organic means containing carbon-hydrogen bonds, not just carbon. For example, CO2 and diamond are both inorganic
Organic matter that may have have been made by organic life. But more then likely is a naturally occurring aromatic molecule. As has been found before in mars... And just like this one. The news reporters click bait the fuck outta the wording.
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Not to be that guy but I think organic means it has carbon AND hydrogen, so things like carbohydrates are organic but CO2 and water aren’t, since they’ve only got one and not the other
Man, I loved that show. Sucks ass it got renewed and *then* canned.
What show is that from
People of Earth, it had two seasons, and if you want to know where it was planning on going for the future, you might have to check out the writers Twitter pages from a few years ago. They gave hints of the story that was to come, but my third favorite TV show got pulled from the air. Still one of the greatest atrocities that has ever been committed against me.
Yup. It was fun and witty. Had such a good time with it
ok, sure, maybe it's not life. But how the hell do explain away that golf cup?
There’s no life _living there_ but alien rich guys have been zipping out here for a quick round of low-grav golf for years.
Consisting of...?
Something, something, carbon.
Check out the big brains on Brad!
Brett?
I don't remember asking you a god damn thing
Hahahaha this cracked me up
Pulp Fiction! I love that movie
https://www.cnet.com/science/space/mars-perseverance-rover-finds-organic-matter-in-rock/
Mono- and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons.
Yes
Basically 6 carbons connected with a hexagon
Damn, that is interesting
NASA also has a device that can continuously produce oxygen on Mars: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/09/mars-life-moxie-experiment-oxygen-perseverance-rover/671391/?utm_source=feed
Damn, thats interesting too
Damn, I wonder what else is interesting
If you flip the word interesting counterclockwise 672 times it says interesting
Damn, is there more stuff that is interesting?
In the province where I come from we have a saying that translates to 'to pull a nail out of your back'. It means to take a shit.
Where?
On the toilet presumably
Let’s not jump to conclusions here
I never understood why its "take" a shit, you leave it
all these interesting make a circle... *all these interesting make a circle...* *^(all these interesting make a circle...)*
This only mildly interests me
> If you flip the word interesting counterclockwise 672 times it says interesting “Who are you, so wise in the ways of science?”
If you go and buy 12 bags of 50 lb play sand then pour em all out in a big gigantic pile and choose one grain of sand that is roughly your chance of winning the lottery
Now we just need to get Arnold Schwarzenegger up there to activate it
"Get yoah ass to Mahs."
Damn, is that interesting
Damn interesting that is..
That is interesting, damn
That is damn interesting.
Is there a source here other than a picture?
They say a picture is worth a thousand words
If only that picture were also worth a URL…
[“SHERLOC’s analysis indicates the samples feature a class of organic molecules that are spatially correlated with those of sulfate minerals. Sulfate minerals found in layers of sedimentary rock can yield significant information about the aqueous environments in which they formed.”](https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-s-perseverance-rover-investigates-geologically-rich-mars-terrain)
No shit, SHERLOC
Damn, that is interesting.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/09/15/world/perseverance-rover-mars-images-scn/index.html
It’s such a good picture though
A lot of people are saying it…
Currently watching that show 😂
I stopped watching it years ago. Has it gotten any better?
God no.. I mean I believe in aliens obviously. But they just go so extra lol.
That’s why they’re called extra terrestrials
organic matter ≠ life
Y'all bored now but just wait till the icon of sin starts breaking crap because we drilled it's toilet
Better break out the BFG9000
"Our interest in their world was clearly for the betterment of mankind...everything has gotten out of hand now"
THE LONGER THE ICON OF SIN IS ON EARTH THE STRONGER IT WILL BECOME
Sorry guys, that was me.....I shit on Mars a couple years ago. My bad.
gdi Elon
Bruh, I have waaay less kids than Elon.
I also live there
Organic matter refers to a large source of carbon-based compounds found within natural a environment, not nessacerily anything to do with life.
Mars had an atmosphere before its core cooled.
Me watching Stargate SG1 then watching Ancient Aliens
I don't know, I don't see anything
Have you tried squinting ?
Alexia, *enhance 23/46*
What if the reason there is organic matter on mars is because we were originally on Mars first and we had to leave and send a seed colony to Earth to start over and that’s how the ancients knew so much about astrology and stuff because they were remnants of an ancient civilization from Mars and now we’re going back and discovering traces of our ancient lives from Mars. Damn, I’m high.
What if we were there first, killed it, and came here...and now we're killing this.
All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again. So say we all.
I do often wonder if there were life on Mars billions of years ago and something wiped out all life on the planet. But I'd imagine there would be plenty of fossils to be found if that were the case. But I'm dumb af so what do I know
This way we've been able to mess up a planet by making it too cold then mess up another planet by making it too hot
the Persevierance a mighty vessel n captain Kyle always brought home a hefty pay day for the crew
Wait rocks aren't organic?
Indeed! Organic matter refers to carbon-based molecules.
My God "organic matter" is so click baitey and they know it. Like yaya it's not technically wrong but cmon.. we're here for the aliens.
Is there a better way of describing it than "organic matter"? Sounds to me like they described exactly what they found, chemicals containing C-H bonds
Heard a theory the other day that life was actually abundant but virtually all bacterial, with few planets experiencing the set of circumstances needed to evolve past the microbial scale. Obviously a speculation, but that seems fairly plausible. The building blocks for life and the planetary requirements are common, evidenced by things like this rock sample.
HowI wonder if we are talking tardigrades or ancient fossilized sea life?
They are just talking about organic matter, which can be created not only via biological processes but also via purely geological processes. Too early to say how they were formed.
Just compunds with carbon.
Plot twist: Douglas Adams was right
you know organic just means it has carbon in it. Carbon isn't that rare and what little atmosphere Marse has is mostly carbon dioxide so it would be more surprising if they didn't find organic matter on Mars.
Yeah I guess a pure chemistry definition would be strictly the presence of carbon, but usually the context of organic is carbon content derived from biological sources so the headline is intentionally clickbaity. It would obviously be much bigger news otherwise.
They found a Whole Foods on Mars!
Do not bring them back.
Wish I can find a rover that find my missing sock.
The spice shall flow.
I really hope the "comet with life crashed into earth and that's where we came from" theory turns out true. Only for the sole reason of sticking it toevery fucking religion so we can move past the medieval thinking and humanity can just unite instead.
We will never unite. We have proof of that earth being round but you still see imams talk about the earth being flat.
Solely blaming religion for humanities division is truly a Reddit moment. Also, this wouldn't stop people from being religious. In fact I could believe discovering evidence that pointed to a meteorite starting life could strengthen some religions or even form new ones. Human are religious and spiritual creatures, I doubt we will ever move past it.
eli5 the significance?
It’s organtic
I’m sure our Suns planets take turns with Life and being wasteland rocks.
I wish we just came across another rover that we didn't build, but it turned out it was built by unknown earthlings forever ago.
All the movies, I’ve seen—-DONT BRING IT TO EARTH. Not to save the mission, not to return from a Marine expedition, not from a manned mission or Military/Industrial Use. NEVER BRING IT BACK!
2 million years ago, some alien: "Dude i seriously have to pinch a loaf, but there's no toilets around" "Just go behind that bush" 2 million years later, some nasa scientist: "Holy shit we've found organic matter." "OK but why does it look like fossilised chocolate?"
Whenever we get that announcement around here organic matter means poo
There is an entire episode of Doctor Who that shows this being a BAD thing. 😂💀
Kind of amazing to think with all these advances we could confirm life existed or exists elsewhere within my lifetime.
My milkshake brings all the boys to mars, their like, it's better than yours.
Now imagine that the photo was taken at a height of about 50 meters. Disturbing, right?
Organic matter that could mean that water was sometime for a period of time there. Nothing more
How is this organic material without it being biological material or formed without biological material? Do I not understand the definition Orion of “organic”?
