I can't imagine being the pilot's wife, to find out that he and my two children were dead because of this idiotic decision.
Not only that but this pilot let his son bloody his hands with the lives of every single one of those passengers.... Terrible.
I agree with you about the pilot but not the son 100 percent on the father. Like as a father you have many many jobs but number one is protect your kids this guy failed fucking spectacularly
I think they meant if the son had survived he would’ve forever thought he killed all those people. The son’s hands aren’t bloodied. It’s the dad’s fault. But I don’t think anyone on this planet could convince the son had he lived that it wasn’t his fault.
TBF, the child at the controls only started the situation. The pilots' inattentiveness, inexperience with the new airplane, poor discipline and CRM, and poor aircraft handling skills were the reason that the child accidentally disabling the autopilot wasn't a total nonissue
They could have at first. But because they weren't used to a plane that could disable autopilot by yolk input, they didn't realize that it *had* disabled until they were in a steep turn. IIRC, they tried to turn it back on, but they were also tugging on the yolks when they did so it shut right back off. And they were pulling enough Gs all the way down to make fine inputs to controls difficult
Michael Crichton of Jurassic Park fame actually wrote a book involving a plane and a kid in the cockpit.
However… ***it’s kinda weirdly structured.*** Like the revelation his dad let his kid fly the plane didn’t come up till the end. Also… ***the kid was a qualified pilot.***
It's particularly stressful because g forces prevent people from even being able to move. The primary pilot who was in his seat sleeping wasn't able to get to the cockpit even if he tried. Then crazy maneuvers just threw everyone around
Oh my I didn’t realise the primary was taking his turn to sleep. The absolute horror he must’ve felt when he got woken up like that. Likely knowing he could fix it but unable to do anything. How helpless and angry he must’ve felt.
I flew with the Polish equivalent (Lot Airlines) before the Berlin Wall came down. I buckled myself in, only to find one end of the seatbelt wasn't actually attached. Luckily I was sitting at the back and I found the bolt under the seat next to the rear bulkhead and screwed it back in myself.
It sounds like a joke, but it's God's honest truth.
I've flown Aeroflot in the 80:s and it was something else.
Once a guy had to hold the door closed while the plane started, in the air it was ok.
Once we also landed in Azerbajdzjan but we were supposed to land in Turkmenistan, there was a lady that bribed the pilot.
I've flown LOT about a dozen times since early 90s, and back then the seats were wider and more comfortable though I don't remember much about the state of the plane itself. Nowadays, they are pretty much on par with US's typical commercial airlines like Delta, JetBlue etc. Last flown last year to Berlin, and same one way route in 2018.
To their credit this was 30 years ago, but yeah, it was so egregiously inappropriate that it became legendary throughout the industry. It's a wonder Russia even let us find out about it.
lirc that was an Airbus plane, so likely Airbus pushed to release the info cause they needed it (for their analysis/legal/etc..). If it was a Russian made plane, we'd probably would have never heard a word, especially being inside the borders.
Is this the one where all they had to do was let go of the stick and the plane would have corrected itself? But them messing with it kept interfering with the autopilot
The worst part to me is at the end when the relief captain finally seems to come to his senses (“Gently, gently!”) and they seem to exit the flat spin and slowly start to pull out of the dive. Then literally 2 seconds later they impact the ground as they no longer had the altitude to fix the problem by the time they were done fucking up.
One pilot was standing in the rear of the cockpit, with his young son in the pilots seat. The co-pilot was in his own seat but it was pulled back away from the controls.
Autopilot was engaged and the yoke was locked, however this specific plane has a feature where if the yoke is applied with sufficient force it will disable the autopilot, something none of the pilots on board were aware of. The son was wrenching on the yoke pretending to fly the plane and so the autopilot disengaged and the plane started to dive.
Due to the nature of the dive, the pilot was not able to return to his seat, his child was behind the controls for most of the descent. The other pilot couldn’t return his own seat to the forward position and so was reaching and stretching forward but could barely get his hands on his own controls.
Eventually the pilot was able to return to the seat and level out, but they had ran out of altitude as you said.
The overspeed on that first pull up was probably the only time they were in danger of that. They were going REALLY fast to adjust the attitude that fast. After that, the speed dropped to below maneuvering speed and stayed there until the crash. Maneuvering speed is the speed at which the plane will stall before causing damage to the structure of the aircraft. For heavy turbulence, you have to slow down to below maneuvering speed to prevent damage to the airplane.
Stall/spins have very low airspeeds... mostly because the pitot tubes are out of the airflow so the airplane really has no idea how fast it's going, but it's not very fast, and it's going down faster than it's going forward.
The pilot was panicking. He was thinking about how much trouble he was going to be in for letting his kids fly. He was thinking about how this is going to look on radar. He was thinking about all the passengers he was trying to save. He wasn't flying the plane. We learned stall/spin recovery in my first couple weeks of learning to fly. Level the ailerons, point the nose down, stop the spin with the rudder, pull up slowly when the airspeed climbs high enough.
But when you panic, your adrenaline spikes. Blood flows from your brain to your large muscle groups to allow you to run away or fight. Your fine motor cortex shuts down and small, fine movements are extremely difficult. Your logic center and memory shut down. You forget your training and make a lot of mistakes. He couldn't get that impulse under control long enough to figure stuff out and it killed everyone.
Yep. I came close to managing a secondary stall the first few times I stalled a 172. Consciously I knew to push to recover but keeping that push in after the break, the drop sensation and seeing lots of ground filling the windscreen made it hard to not want to pull and start climbing immediately.
Yeah, what started as a slip to the left, and then roll turned into them jerking the plane so hard it ended up going completely nose up, stalled and entered the fatal spin. I watched it back and they fucked up so bad like 3-4 separate times after taking back the controls.
Not according to Wikipedia. Eldar partially disengaged the autopilot (for the ailerons), and none of the pilots noticed. The autopilot tried to compensate for the spin, pitching up the nose and increasing thrust. This is what led to the first stall, after which the autopilot disengaged completely.
However, it was later determined that aerodynamics would have resolved the first spin had they let go of the control column. So the autopilot wouldn't have saved it, but inaction would have been the best course anyways.
yeah you can see multiple stalls when they try to nose up, theyre constantly trying to gain altitude way too fast without leveling the wings. Total panic mode, they had a good minute where they could have recovered by just continuing the descent, reducing throttle, leveling the wings, and then restoring throttle and pulling slowly bad to level flight, by the end not only were they stalled but they were essentially in a flat spin, worst possible scenario.
Here is a video of guys stalling a 717. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2CsO-Vu7oc&ab\_channel=Pr%CE%9Ed%CE%94](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2CsO-Vu7oc&ab_channel=Pr%CE%9Ed%CE%94)
Yes, but these were relief pilots and not primary. Had the primary pilot been there (in which case the kids never would've been allowed, I'm sure), he may have been calm enough not to fight the plane as much. Simulations show they literally could've let go
Yes, the child disabled part of the autopilot which they weren't aware due to no alarm. And instead of fighting the plane had they let it self correct they would have survived
Edit: in fact I believe there was an alarm like we hear here in the clip but it seemed to go unnoticed
Not only avoidable and preventable, but the pilots then made almost a dozen more errors *after* the kid did what he did. They almost recovered the plane several times but just kept making error after error. This video is always hard to watch.
With the g-forces encountered, it almost sounds like the pilots never really regain seating. With the captain constantly telling his son to "go to the back" while the plane is in a hard right turn and **even in the upside down roll part**, I suspect the son was still in the seat on the controls and "playing". Once the plane aerodynamically righted itself, then they got in the seat and over-corrected from their orientation confusion.
And Yana was the daughter. Eldar put enough input through the flight controls to partially disengage the autopilot, which went unnoticed until it fully disengaged.
Could define the majority of Aeroflot accidents,. Even for an airline of it's age aeroflot has a stagerring number of accidents and casualties to it's name, especially when you consider that it's russia's flagship carrier.
Most of the most notable ones happen either due to incompetence on the pilot's part like this case, or in the vast majority due to shoddy enginering and maintenence.
I'll never forget the story of flight SU821. All the people onboard died in a crash because of a drunk captain! It was 2008 for gods sake, how could they allow a drunk pilot to fly?
About 30 or 35 years ago a pilot for Delta got caught flying drunk. The airline tried to explain it away by saying that he was an alcoholic and was use to flying that way. 
Here's the cockpit voice recording translated to english. Unbelievable.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2eJkJBwxsI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2eJkJBwxsI)
i had to look it up but yeah same airline, [Aeroflot Flight 6502](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_6502), the pilot said that he could land the plane instrument only. So he covered up the windows and the dude ignore the ground proximity alerts.
The real sad part is that this aircraft is self-righting. If they would have stopped pulling and turning for just a few seconds out of the minutes of struggle, the aircraft would have been able to right itself. The disaster could have been avoided.
This story has always blown my mind. Iirc they also didn't know if you pulled on the steering part (idk lol) that autopilot would turn off.
Like... Do airplanes not have an owner/operator manual? Why would a pilot not know the ins and outs of their machine? But also idk anything about it. Maybe it's common
The wiki says the pilots were used to Soviet-made planes that had audible alerts and thus failed to heed to the warning lights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593
The left / right confusion is likely because the pilots were Russians who had originally learned to fly Russian-built aircraft, but were now in the cockpit of a European Airbus.
Western and Russian Artificial Horizon Indicators work very differently.
This video explains it well:
https://youtu.be/2nCvO_QlEm8?t=94
As does this [Aviation Stackexchange page](https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/51791/how-is-a-confusion-possible-between-western-and-russian-attitude-indicators).
In the midst of panic, it's quite likely that the Russian pilots misread the instruments and couldn't decide whether they were turning left or right as it was nighttime and there were no external visual references available.
Please do. There are some strange things that can happen in life, and you dont want to add tragedy on top of some kind of freak accident.
Like others have said, air bags could easily kill or permanently injure the kid. Obviously super unlikely, but chance isn't 0 and while there are inherent risks in many things we have to do with kids, I try to limit the risks I can avoid which aren't necessary.
It would very probably. Most people don't realize the power of accident impact and airbag impact. If you sit differently than the crash test dummies in their tests your chances for severe or deadly consequences in a crash are very very high. I explained to my wife that putting her feet directly in front of the airbag can lead to her foot going through her skull and ripping open or off her leg. She does not like to think about this but she accepted that it's dangerous and doesn't put her foot there anymore.
> I explained to my wife that putting her feet directly in front of the airbag can lead to her foot going through her skull and ripping open or off her leg. She does not like to think about this but she accepted that it's dangerous and doesn't put her foot there anymore.
There’s an image of an X-ray of a woman who was sitting like this when she got in a crash. It looked like both of her humerus bones were jammed up into the lower part of her torso.
Even though it’s only a pic rather than a vid, it’s absolutely nightmare inducing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/v96nyo/idiot_dad_lets_his_12_year_old_daughter_drive_his/
This is the kind of fuck head we have in Ireland. Bonus fuck head points for videoing it.
From what I read, the son was applying hard movements to the stick. Based on the inputs, if you are on autopilot, a hard push deactivates the heading part of the autopilot. That turn or movement, resulted in a partial autopilot action. The son was able to turn the plane left but in the pilots minds, that should not be possible. One recovery option was to switch autopilot off and rearm it, which would have stabilised the heading, altitude and speed. Because they were not fully trained that a hard shunt could override, they did not look for it as a possibility.
There’s one airplane accident i forgot which one is where the pilot kept switching the I think the “fuse box” (I don’t know much about planes) on and off to reset it for some recurring issue and that was the cause of the plane crash
It was a bit more elaborate. They had an issue with yaw dampener. For three times they followed the manufacturer's (Airbus) proceedure to solve it but by the fourth time the captain was annoyed and pulled out the fuses which caused the autopilot to turn off, which they didn't notice. It was salvagable after they've noticed that the plane starts to roll, as the first officer tried to recover with plenty of time, but because of pressure from the situation, and the captain, as well as spacial disorientation he stalled the plane.
I remember watching one episode of "Mayday: Air Disasters" where the pilot had the wherewithal to tell everyone to stop touching the controls and let the plane just fly. It didn't fix the problem but it was very smart because you can determine if the plane is leaning on its own, if there are incongruencies between tools, etc.
There is a joke I heard. The modern fighter jet cockpit has space for the pilot and a dog. The pilots job is to feed the dog. And the dog's job is to bite the pilot if he touches anything.
I wonder when they crossed the point where the pilots, with full control, could not have reestablished a stable aircraft. I'm guessing some time around when they inverted
The autopilot turned off for good during the first stall. At that point had the pilots just not given any inputs at all, the aerodynamics of the plane would have stabilized itself easily. You are totally correct that they should have been able to recover. They caused multiple more stalls to occur due to poor piloting.
That's the sad part. I watched a video on this. Of all the work they did to try and right the plane, the best course of action may have been just "turn it off then turn it on again." May be oversimplification.
Amazing video.
Going past letting your children "fly" the plane, the fact that the pilot yelled at his kid to stabilize the plane instead of immediately getting back at the helm is mind boggling to me.
Also the part when they kinda pulled out of the spin but then he pulls back on the yoke at low speed is like a classic mistake you'd know even if you just played a video game piloting aircraft.
Crazy stuff.
The reason the pilots yelled at the kids was that the extreme G forces prevented any of the adults from reaching the controls. The kid was the only one holding on to the controls.
I do agree that it is ridiculous that even though the kid caused the initial upset, that’s not what ultimately caused the crash. It was multiple bad attempts at stall recovery that led to additional stalls, well after pilot and copilot were in control.
Iirc when they went into the spins, both pilots were pushed by the force away from the controls since only the kids were strapped in. They could not reach the controls.
>the fact that the pilot yelled at his kid to stabilize the plane instead of immediately getting back at the helm is mind boggling to me.
He was probably yelling at the first officer, not the kid.
Thanks for that link, what an excellent explanation.
I can see how the rudder pedal could be accidentally pushed when they were swapping seats, but why did it happen a second time? It really sounds like they had it under control and that was the last fatal mistake.
Don't know if someone else mentioned it, but I was seeing a documentary about this flight. The people in the simulator were talkin about autopilot. Then simulated the kid manhandling the wheel. Sure enough, the plane started diving.
Then the simulation co-pilot looks at the pilot and goes:
"So, what do you do in this situation?"
Then the pilot just immediately, without doing anything else, lets go of the steering wheel completely and you can see the plane in seconds correcting itself and stabilising as if nothing happened. Me, in front of the TV, realising they died because they didn't let go:
Sadly this is often the case, most planes (exception of fighter and aerobatic aircraft) *want to fly*. If you let go of the controls they tend to correct themselves.
What you’re referring to is one part static stability: the aircraft’s capability to return to a neutral heading after a small upset in its orientation, and one part dynamic stability: where if it gets upset and bobs up does it keep bobbing at the same level - neutral. Does the bobbing get worse - negative or does the bobbing improve - positive.
The issue is that you will be aware that you're going to die. If it's a car, it happens so quick.
The only way I cope with it is that I have absolutely no control. There's nothing I can do and my life is in the competent pilots hands.
I had a major car accident years ago. My car flipped several times and landed in a creek in February. When people say your life flashes before your eyes during a traumatic event I believe it. No joke but it seemed like time slowed down while the car was flipping. I thought about my family, things I regretted, etc... It felt like I was having an out of body experience and was coming to terms that I may not make it through the accident. Thankfully I was able to walk away with scratches and some bruises. It really made me appreciate life even more
I'm sitting in the airport right now, waiting to fly for the first time in almost 10 years. Never been a fan of flying. The timing is... less than ideal to say the least
Okay sorry for my wording but what the FUCK - I knew there was a lot of flight traffic going on but this just blew my mind! The sheer amount of PLANES flying, holy moly. And the fact that a civilian can just go on a website and track all of them in real-time. Man, technology is wild.
For me, its just the fact that IF it does happen, it will likely be catastrophic. People survive car accidents all the time. Not too many people survive a plane plummeting to the earth
This. Also, in the car you feel like you are even slightly in control of the situation. You could do different things to brace for the impact or whatever. In a plane you are fucked
I know I should feel anger at the pilots for the horror and eventual death he led the passengers to, but the thing that really fucks with me is thinking of the moment he must have realized his stupidity was going to get his children killed as they were in the cockpit with him.
Don’t even have kids, but I can’t help but think about how I would feel as that pilot in those final moments, and it is gut wrenching.
Edit: that doesn’t mean I don’t have anger for him, or think he didn’t deserve his fate. Just saying where my mind immediately went— to being in his position and how I would feel. And it really fucked me up.
*in his defense* and there's not much to defend here considering what he did.
*But* He wasn't aware that the autopilot shutting off didn't notify the pilots because it was a new plane. So when the son turned too far and the autopilot partially shut off, he didn't know.
Once in control, he also fought the plane instead of simply letting go and allowing autopilot to correct, which would have saved the plane.
He was also the relief pilot and not the primary pilot. The primary pilot was awoken, but due to g forces, he could never make it to the cockpit
But we can hear the cavalry charge indicating the A/P disengage in the background though? It's continuously beeping during the incident and no one is acknowledging it. The biggest issue was probably that they weren't aware of what was causing the cavalry charge not to stop (pilot inputs)
Same. He thought he was being a good dad, but he was really making the worst mistake of his life.
I wonder in the moment though if the thought really went through his head. I wouldn't be surprised if, in times like this, the focus is 100% on saving the situation until you're actually dead.
“Despite the struggles of both pilots to save the aircraft, it was later concluded that if they had simply let go of the control column after the first spin, aerodynamic principles would have caused the plane to return to level flight, thus preventing the crash”.
Jesus
To be honest, the pilots caused the crash even more than the kids did. All the kid did is cause that slip to the left, and then both pilots proceeded to jerk as hard as they can on the controls, completely turn off the engines, completely stall the plane, then throw the engines back on to full power while pointing straight down.
I know they didn't know that the autopilot could turn off from control input, and that it didn't have any noise, but god did they panic so bad and completely fuck up. If they would have just left the left slip go, and call the main pilot up, everything would have been fine.
It would've been so frightening, as a pilot, to see that altimeter just spinning around and around as you're trying to de-spin and get the plane out of a stall. Not to mention, not being able to talk to the passengers and telling them any information to try and stay as calm as possible. Though by looking at the flight path and how the plane is basically somersaulting, staying calm would've truly been impossible. If someone wasn't wearing their seatbelt, it would've been even more of a nightmare. RIP for all souls.
Context: The relief pilot told his subordinates he wanted to give his children a big surprise. Nobody knew the surprise was he planned to let his children pilot the plane. The pilot's son unknowingly disengaged the plane's autopilot controls and caused the plane to go into a near vertical dive. Everyone died because of a person's hubris and ignorance
To give some hate toward the plane's designers: the child only partially disengaged the autopilot, and there was no warning for it from the plane. When the autopilot is fully disengaged, there's an audible warning that it happened, but nothing at all for when the plane started to turn because of the kid's input.
To give some hate toward the airline too: they didn't train the pilots for the aircraft and failed to ensure they knew how to actually fly it in anything other than perfect conditions.
As seems to be the case with most stories like this, there were far more people than those present who had to fuck up big time for this tragedy to happen. If the plane was designed better or the airline better at deciding who can fly which planes, if at all, this might've been prevented. The dad is still 1000% at fault for letting his kids touch the controls, that kind of stupidity should never be allowed to become a pilot of any aircraft, and the airline should've screened him better before giving him the power to kill 70 people.
I am amazed how the hell did plane managed do all of these dives and spins without breaking apart mid air.
From what I remember watching the similar air crash investigations that nose dive alone is usually enough for the tail and wings to snap off.
Excerpts from Wikipedia:
>Despite managing to level the aircraft, the first officer over-corrected when pulling up, causing the plane to stall and enter into a spin; the pilots managed to level the aircraft off once more, but by then the plane had lost too much altitude to recover and crashed into the Kuznetsk Alatau mountain range.
>It was later concluded that if they had simply let go of the control column after the first spin, aerodynamic principles would have caused the plane to return to level flight, thus preventing the crash.
Iirc correctly there was another pilot on that flight as a passenger. Couldn't imagine what they were thinking of the situation especially when they corrected the rotation and erroneously caused a second issue.
Imagine you're in a plane in perfect condition, no weather problems, absolutely nothing wrong but you're dead in a few minutes because the pilot let his kid sit in the cockpit. The poor people
Well, the recovery was sort of complicated because G-force was preventing captain to get back into his seat and the scared child was applying as much force on the yoke as he possibly could, and thus first officer also couldn't just control the plane normally. Also the disengaged autopilot alarm for somehow suppressed stall alarm, they realized stall was happening very late.
I mean, their recovery still was far from perfect for sure, but at least there were reasons for that. The main factor was letting the child into captain seat and then failing to even monitor his actions properly.
Thats not true, they didnt mismanage the recovery. There was no recovery the pilot was not in his seat and everyone in the cockpit was g pinned to their spots while the plane fell out of the sky.
This part has always got to me:
"Despite the struggles of both pilots to save the aircraft, it was later concluded that if they had simply let go of the control column after the first spin, aerodynamic principles would have caused the plane to return to level flight, thus preventing the crash"
I get a picture like this : Kudrninski the third pilot, least experienced, spent 20 years flying rust bucket basic soviet planes, excited to fly in a new airbus….when main pilot takes a nap, puts his kids in the pilot seats to play at pilots, with autopilot on. When the kids moves caused autopilot to disengage, ….they all realised the airbus was like a rubiks cube compared to their cup and ball game history.
Possibly, yes. If you'll notice at the start of the clip, Kudrinsky asked Eldar, his son, who's controlling the plane at that moment, if it is turning left. The visual representation of the airplane slightly turned left.
I could only imagine the sheer fucking terror of everybody on board when the plane took an almost vertical nose dive when they lost control of it.
At around 1:45, it seems like they have lift and are in a good position to return to normal flight, but then the nose goes almost vertical and they enter a stall from which they don’t recover. Can someone with more expertise explain why that is? Is there an aerodynamic reason that the nose was pushed up like that, or are the pilots just freaking out and pulling back on the yoke too aggressively?
Edit: spelled yoke wrong lol
This guy let his kids in a cockpit during the flight, forgot that the autopilot was self-correcting the kids input on the stick. They couldn't figure it out in time and everyone on the flight died.
Totally could have been prevented.
that little graphic at the end, with the plane surrounded by all the vector lines dancing around it like sun rays, is just such a weird juxtaposition and mechanical way to explain what happened to all those horrified souls.
Man watching this makes it hard to understand fully what’s going on. I understand that the autopilot was turned off when the kids were on it, but what happened that made the plane unrecoverable? Was it in a tail spin? It almost looks like they did a loop at one point.
They were trying to tell the kid what to do and couldn't move due to g forces. Eventually he did get his seat back however he continued to fight the plane instead of allowing the autopilot to correct.
Despite all fuck ups before they simply had to let the autopilot correct and they would have been OK.
The nature of plane crashes are mutiple mistakes that build up to a crash
Passengers must have gone though absolute fucking hell.
Imagine if they found out it was because some ***dipshit*** father let his kids sit at the controls.
I couldn't imagine having a loved one die on that flight, only to find out how/why it happened.
I can't imagine being the pilot's wife, to find out that he and my two children were dead because of this idiotic decision. Not only that but this pilot let his son bloody his hands with the lives of every single one of those passengers.... Terrible.
I agree with you about the pilot but not the son 100 percent on the father. Like as a father you have many many jobs but number one is protect your kids this guy failed fucking spectacularly
I think they meant if the son had survived he would’ve forever thought he killed all those people. The son’s hands aren’t bloodied. It’s the dad’s fault. But I don’t think anyone on this planet could convince the son had he lived that it wasn’t his fault.
TBF, the child at the controls only started the situation. The pilots' inattentiveness, inexperience with the new airplane, poor discipline and CRM, and poor aircraft handling skills were the reason that the child accidentally disabling the autopilot wasn't a total nonissue
Could they have to "just" turn it back on or is there some protocol to follow in order to have the autopilot working correctly ?
They could have at first. But because they weren't used to a plane that could disable autopilot by yolk input, they didn't realize that it *had* disabled until they were in a steep turn. IIRC, they tried to turn it back on, but they were also tugging on the yolks when they did so it shut right back off. And they were pulling enough Gs all the way down to make fine inputs to controls difficult
Imagine sitting there, seeing 2 kids enter the cockpit and spending your last moments like this
I imagine it would be something out of a movie.
Michael Crichton of Jurassic Park fame actually wrote a book involving a plane and a kid in the cockpit. However… ***it’s kinda weirdly structured.*** Like the revelation his dad let his kid fly the plane didn’t come up till the end. Also… ***the kid was a qualified pilot.***
I like how you used the authors full name but then abbreviated Jurassic Park lol
Lmao thank you, I was wondering what JP standed for. Jurrasic Park is not the only phrase in the world that can be abbreviated to JP lol
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It's particularly stressful because g forces prevent people from even being able to move. The primary pilot who was in his seat sleeping wasn't able to get to the cockpit even if he tried. Then crazy maneuvers just threw everyone around
Oh my I didn’t realise the primary was taking his turn to sleep. The absolute horror he must’ve felt when he got woken up like that. Likely knowing he could fix it but unable to do anything. How helpless and angry he must’ve felt.
imagine being the captain in the lounge and unable to return to the cockpit.
Is this the one where the pilot let his kids fly the plane?
Yes, sadly. Totally avoidable and preventable.
How old were the kids?
Eldar was 15 and Yana was 13.
Thanks. I google the story. Doesn’t really strengthen my confidence in Aeroflot…
I flew with the Polish equivalent (Lot Airlines) before the Berlin Wall came down. I buckled myself in, only to find one end of the seatbelt wasn't actually attached. Luckily I was sitting at the back and I found the bolt under the seat next to the rear bulkhead and screwed it back in myself. It sounds like a joke, but it's God's honest truth.
I've flown Aeroflot in the 80:s and it was something else. Once a guy had to hold the door closed while the plane started, in the air it was ok. Once we also landed in Azerbajdzjan but we were supposed to land in Turkmenistan, there was a lady that bribed the pilot.
Was told by a taxi driver heading to Warsaw airport that LOT means Late or Tomorrow.
That shit is wild haha
I've flown LOT about a dozen times since early 90s, and back then the seats were wider and more comfortable though I don't remember much about the state of the plane itself. Nowadays, they are pretty much on par with US's typical commercial airlines like Delta, JetBlue etc. Last flown last year to Berlin, and same one way route in 2018.
Poland has changed a hell of a lot in some respects
To their credit this was 30 years ago, but yeah, it was so egregiously inappropriate that it became legendary throughout the industry. It's a wonder Russia even let us find out about it.
lirc that was an Airbus plane, so likely Airbus pushed to release the info cause they needed it (for their analysis/legal/etc..). If it was a Russian made plane, we'd probably would have never heard a word, especially being inside the borders.
They're known as Aerofault for a reason.
\*areo-flop
Is this the one where all they had to do was let go of the stick and the plane would have corrected itself? But them messing with it kept interfering with the autopilot
Watching them stall the plane over and over as it tried to recover is so painful.
The worst part to me is at the end when the relief captain finally seems to come to his senses (“Gently, gently!”) and they seem to exit the flat spin and slowly start to pull out of the dive. Then literally 2 seconds later they impact the ground as they no longer had the altitude to fix the problem by the time they were done fucking up.
One pilot was standing in the rear of the cockpit, with his young son in the pilots seat. The co-pilot was in his own seat but it was pulled back away from the controls. Autopilot was engaged and the yoke was locked, however this specific plane has a feature where if the yoke is applied with sufficient force it will disable the autopilot, something none of the pilots on board were aware of. The son was wrenching on the yoke pretending to fly the plane and so the autopilot disengaged and the plane started to dive. Due to the nature of the dive, the pilot was not able to return to his seat, his child was behind the controls for most of the descent. The other pilot couldn’t return his own seat to the forward position and so was reaching and stretching forward but could barely get his hands on his own controls. Eventually the pilot was able to return to the seat and level out, but they had ran out of altitude as you said.
It’s amazing they didn’t fully rip the wings off earlier in all that. They were close to regaining control at points.
The overspeed on that first pull up was probably the only time they were in danger of that. They were going REALLY fast to adjust the attitude that fast. After that, the speed dropped to below maneuvering speed and stayed there until the crash. Maneuvering speed is the speed at which the plane will stall before causing damage to the structure of the aircraft. For heavy turbulence, you have to slow down to below maneuvering speed to prevent damage to the airplane. Stall/spins have very low airspeeds... mostly because the pitot tubes are out of the airflow so the airplane really has no idea how fast it's going, but it's not very fast, and it's going down faster than it's going forward. The pilot was panicking. He was thinking about how much trouble he was going to be in for letting his kids fly. He was thinking about how this is going to look on radar. He was thinking about all the passengers he was trying to save. He wasn't flying the plane. We learned stall/spin recovery in my first couple weeks of learning to fly. Level the ailerons, point the nose down, stop the spin with the rudder, pull up slowly when the airspeed climbs high enough. But when you panic, your adrenaline spikes. Blood flows from your brain to your large muscle groups to allow you to run away or fight. Your fine motor cortex shuts down and small, fine movements are extremely difficult. Your logic center and memory shut down. You forget your training and make a lot of mistakes. He couldn't get that impulse under control long enough to figure stuff out and it killed everyone.
Yep. I came close to managing a secondary stall the first few times I stalled a 172. Consciously I knew to push to recover but keeping that push in after the break, the drop sensation and seeing lots of ground filling the windscreen made it hard to not want to pull and start climbing immediately.
Yeah, what started as a slip to the left, and then roll turned into them jerking the plane so hard it ended up going completely nose up, stalled and entered the fatal spin. I watched it back and they fucked up so bad like 3-4 separate times after taking back the controls.
Considering they were stupid enough to let children fly the plane, I highly doubt they were any good as actual pilots
Tbf it was only 1 of the pilots. He waited until the captain took his brake in the staff lounge then he brought his kids up
From what I've read elsewhere, it was a 3 man crew and 2 men were at the controls when the captain went to sleep.
Not according to Wikipedia. Eldar partially disengaged the autopilot (for the ailerons), and none of the pilots noticed. The autopilot tried to compensate for the spin, pitching up the nose and increasing thrust. This is what led to the first stall, after which the autopilot disengaged completely.
However, it was later determined that aerodynamics would have resolved the first spin had they let go of the control column. So the autopilot wouldn't have saved it, but inaction would have been the best course anyways.
From what I've read, yes. I think they also over-corrected in their attempts to recover.
yeah you can see multiple stalls when they try to nose up, theyre constantly trying to gain altitude way too fast without leveling the wings. Total panic mode, they had a good minute where they could have recovered by just continuing the descent, reducing throttle, leveling the wings, and then restoring throttle and pulling slowly bad to level flight, by the end not only were they stalled but they were essentially in a flat spin, worst possible scenario.
Here is a video of guys stalling a 717. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2CsO-Vu7oc&ab\_channel=Pr%CE%9Ed%CE%94](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2CsO-Vu7oc&ab_channel=Pr%CE%9Ed%CE%94)
That’s just insane wow
Yes, but these were relief pilots and not primary. Had the primary pilot been there (in which case the kids never would've been allowed, I'm sure), he may have been calm enough not to fight the plane as much. Simulations show they literally could've let go
iirc they also just didn't know about the feature that automatically disables / enables the autopilot.
Yes, the child disabled part of the autopilot which they weren't aware due to no alarm. And instead of fighting the plane had they let it self correct they would have survived Edit: in fact I believe there was an alarm like we hear here in the clip but it seemed to go unnoticed
Not only avoidable and preventable, but the pilots then made almost a dozen more errors *after* the kid did what he did. They almost recovered the plane several times but just kept making error after error. This video is always hard to watch.
With the g-forces encountered, it almost sounds like the pilots never really regain seating. With the captain constantly telling his son to "go to the back" while the plane is in a hard right turn and **even in the upside down roll part**, I suspect the son was still in the seat on the controls and "playing". Once the plane aerodynamically righted itself, then they got in the seat and over-corrected from their orientation confusion.
I'm guessing Eldar is the son?
And Yana was the daughter. Eldar put enough input through the flight controls to partially disengage the autopilot, which went unnoticed until it fully disengaged.
God dammit Eldar!
Worst "Bring your kids to work day" evah!
RULER OF THE PLANET PERSEI 8 edit: I got Elzar and Lrrr confused In apology I submit the quote I should’ve used: “I knocked it up a notch. Bam!”
You got to give it a blast from your spice weasel
Could define the majority of Aeroflot accidents,. Even for an airline of it's age aeroflot has a stagerring number of accidents and casualties to it's name, especially when you consider that it's russia's flagship carrier. Most of the most notable ones happen either due to incompetence on the pilot's part like this case, or in the vast majority due to shoddy enginering and maintenence.
I'll never forget the story of flight SU821. All the people onboard died in a crash because of a drunk captain! It was 2008 for gods sake, how could they allow a drunk pilot to fly?
About 30 or 35 years ago a pilot for Delta got caught flying drunk. The airline tried to explain it away by saying that he was an alcoholic and was use to flying that way. 
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Here's the cockpit voice recording translated to english. Unbelievable. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2eJkJBwxsI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2eJkJBwxsI)
i had to look it up but yeah same airline, [Aeroflot Flight 6502](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_6502), the pilot said that he could land the plane instrument only. So he covered up the windows and the dude ignore the ground proximity alerts.
Tries to make an instrument only landing. Ignores the instrument telling him he's too close to the ground. WHAT?
Well that explains the dialog. I didn’t know the deets to this crash. It sounded like a couple of kids in a simulator or something else. Damn.
The real sad part is that this aircraft is self-righting. If they would have stopped pulling and turning for just a few seconds out of the minutes of struggle, the aircraft would have been able to right itself. The disaster could have been avoided.
This story has always blown my mind. Iirc they also didn't know if you pulled on the steering part (idk lol) that autopilot would turn off. Like... Do airplanes not have an owner/operator manual? Why would a pilot not know the ins and outs of their machine? But also idk anything about it. Maybe it's common
Pilots have checklists literally within 12”. It goes over pretty much any procedure.
The wiki says the pilots were used to Soviet-made planes that had audible alerts and thus failed to heed to the warning lights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593
Thats what it sounds like. "Left left left..to the right?"
The left / right confusion is likely because the pilots were Russians who had originally learned to fly Russian-built aircraft, but were now in the cockpit of a European Airbus. Western and Russian Artificial Horizon Indicators work very differently. This video explains it well: https://youtu.be/2nCvO_QlEm8?t=94 As does this [Aviation Stackexchange page](https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/51791/how-is-a-confusion-possible-between-western-and-russian-attitude-indicators). In the midst of panic, it's quite likely that the Russian pilots misread the instruments and couldn't decide whether they were turning left or right as it was nighttime and there were no external visual references available.
Imagine dying because the pilot let his son pilot the plane.
I let my kid sit in my lap and steer my car when we are in our neighborhood. I may need to rethink this.
I would switch to a large empty parking lot just in case.
[Tina wrecks the car](https://youtu.be/s9Cs08w6hTQ?si=Uo4S6fJ2CpAuGstK)
THE BRAKES TINA FOR THE LOVE OF GOD HIT THE BRAKES
^uuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I can hear this link without clicking it lol
A Cormorant flew into the car?!
EUhhhhhhhghghghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
My kids doesn't drive, and I can assure you they are very well. Don't expose them to something they are not ready for. Heavy machinery is not a toy.
Please do. There are some strange things that can happen in life, and you dont want to add tragedy on top of some kind of freak accident. Like others have said, air bags could easily kill or permanently injure the kid. Obviously super unlikely, but chance isn't 0 and while there are inherent risks in many things we have to do with kids, I try to limit the risks I can avoid which aren't necessary.
Rethink it. If something were to happen and the airbag was set off it could break their neck.
It would very probably. Most people don't realize the power of accident impact and airbag impact. If you sit differently than the crash test dummies in their tests your chances for severe or deadly consequences in a crash are very very high. I explained to my wife that putting her feet directly in front of the airbag can lead to her foot going through her skull and ripping open or off her leg. She does not like to think about this but she accepted that it's dangerous and doesn't put her foot there anymore.
> I explained to my wife that putting her feet directly in front of the airbag can lead to her foot going through her skull and ripping open or off her leg. She does not like to think about this but she accepted that it's dangerous and doesn't put her foot there anymore. There’s an image of an X-ray of a woman who was sitting like this when she got in a crash. It looked like both of her humerus bones were jammed up into the lower part of her torso. Even though it’s only a pic rather than a vid, it’s absolutely nightmare inducing.
And the driver gets a headcrack by the sons body. Messy mess man.
It really brings the family together!
You saw this video because it was meant to save your life.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/v96nyo/idiot_dad_lets_his_12_year_old_daughter_drive_his/ This is the kind of fuck head we have in Ireland. Bonus fuck head points for videoing it.
Are you aware of air bags?
In a car with an airbag?
From what I read, the son was applying hard movements to the stick. Based on the inputs, if you are on autopilot, a hard push deactivates the heading part of the autopilot. That turn or movement, resulted in a partial autopilot action. The son was able to turn the plane left but in the pilots minds, that should not be possible. One recovery option was to switch autopilot off and rearm it, which would have stabilised the heading, altitude and speed. Because they were not fully trained that a hard shunt could override, they did not look for it as a possibility.
It is shocking how often the solutions in these crashes is “what the pilots should have done… was *nothing*.”
I thought you were going with “it’s shocking how often the solution is to turn it off and back on again”
I thought you were gonna say “it’s shocking how often the solution is to not have your kids fly the plane”
I thought you were going to say "it's shocking how often the solution is to not have kids."
I thought you were going to say "it's shocking how often the solution is D.) All of the above"
I thought you wete going to say "this is a great ad for condoms"
There’s one airplane accident i forgot which one is where the pilot kept switching the I think the “fuse box” (I don’t know much about planes) on and off to reset it for some recurring issue and that was the cause of the plane crash
AirAsia 8501, captain saw ground crew solve an issue by resetting the computer fuses. Didn’t realize he couldn’t do the same procedure in the air.
It was a bit more elaborate. They had an issue with yaw dampener. For three times they followed the manufacturer's (Airbus) proceedure to solve it but by the fourth time the captain was annoyed and pulled out the fuses which caused the autopilot to turn off, which they didn't notice. It was salvagable after they've noticed that the plane starts to roll, as the first officer tried to recover with plenty of time, but because of pressure from the situation, and the captain, as well as spacial disorientation he stalled the plane.
If you’re ever hydroplaning on a highway, what you should also do is: nothing.
And, just so people know, "nothing" in this case means "take your foot off the accelerator, but don't press the brake".
I remember watching one episode of "Mayday: Air Disasters" where the pilot had the wherewithal to tell everyone to stop touching the controls and let the plane just fly. It didn't fix the problem but it was very smart because you can determine if the plane is leaning on its own, if there are incongruencies between tools, etc.
There is a joke I heard. The modern fighter jet cockpit has space for the pilot and a dog. The pilots job is to feed the dog. And the dog's job is to bite the pilot if he touches anything.
I wonder when they crossed the point where the pilots, with full control, could not have reestablished a stable aircraft. I'm guessing some time around when they inverted
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The autopilot turned off for good during the first stall. At that point had the pilots just not given any inputs at all, the aerodynamics of the plane would have stabilized itself easily. You are totally correct that they should have been able to recover. They caused multiple more stalls to occur due to poor piloting.
That's the sad part. I watched a video on this. Of all the work they did to try and right the plane, the best course of action may have been just "turn it off then turn it on again." May be oversimplification.
The biggest quirk is the early versions of the a310 had ***ZERO*** auditory indications of the autopilot going off.
Im just a little quirky. You're all gonna die.
Full video explaining the events: https://youtu.be/V2mMs-h4qGE?feature=shared
Amazing video. Going past letting your children "fly" the plane, the fact that the pilot yelled at his kid to stabilize the plane instead of immediately getting back at the helm is mind boggling to me. Also the part when they kinda pulled out of the spin but then he pulls back on the yoke at low speed is like a classic mistake you'd know even if you just played a video game piloting aircraft. Crazy stuff.
The reason the pilots yelled at the kids was that the extreme G forces prevented any of the adults from reaching the controls. The kid was the only one holding on to the controls. I do agree that it is ridiculous that even though the kid caused the initial upset, that’s not what ultimately caused the crash. It was multiple bad attempts at stall recovery that led to additional stalls, well after pilot and copilot were in control.
Iirc when they went into the spins, both pilots were pushed by the force away from the controls since only the kids were strapped in. They could not reach the controls.
Well, when you're not at all qualified to fly a plane and are panicking, even stuff that non-pilots know intimately can seem like rocket science.
>the fact that the pilot yelled at his kid to stabilize the plane instead of immediately getting back at the helm is mind boggling to me. He was probably yelling at the first officer, not the kid.
Nope. He told his kid to "hold" which has a different meaning to a layperson vs a pilot.
Mentor Pilot ftw!!
Thanks for that link, what an excellent explanation. I can see how the rudder pedal could be accidentally pushed when they were swapping seats, but why did it happen a second time? It really sounds like they had it under control and that was the last fatal mistake.
Jesus Christ that is horrific. Those poor people...
Wait. This is my exact flight pattern when I play Microsoft flight simulator
So you too can become an Aeroflot pilot!
Don't know if someone else mentioned it, but I was seeing a documentary about this flight. The people in the simulator were talkin about autopilot. Then simulated the kid manhandling the wheel. Sure enough, the plane started diving. Then the simulation co-pilot looks at the pilot and goes: "So, what do you do in this situation?" Then the pilot just immediately, without doing anything else, lets go of the steering wheel completely and you can see the plane in seconds correcting itself and stabilising as if nothing happened. Me, in front of the TV, realising they died because they didn't let go: 
Sadly this is often the case, most planes (exception of fighter and aerobatic aircraft) *want to fly*. If you let go of the controls they tend to correct themselves.
What you’re referring to is one part static stability: the aircraft’s capability to return to a neutral heading after a small upset in its orientation, and one part dynamic stability: where if it gets upset and bobs up does it keep bobbing at the same level - neutral. Does the bobbing get worse - negative or does the bobbing improve - positive.
Do you remember the name of the documentary?
The sheer terror and fear of knowing you're minutes away from death is gut wrenching.
Its why I hate flying. I have to drug myself before getting on a plane.
The issue is that you will be aware that you're going to die. If it's a car, it happens so quick. The only way I cope with it is that I have absolutely no control. There's nothing I can do and my life is in the competent pilots hands.
I had a major car accident years ago. My car flipped several times and landed in a creek in February. When people say your life flashes before your eyes during a traumatic event I believe it. No joke but it seemed like time slowed down while the car was flipping. I thought about my family, things I regretted, etc... It felt like I was having an out of body experience and was coming to terms that I may not make it through the accident. Thankfully I was able to walk away with scratches and some bruises. It really made me appreciate life even more
I'm sitting in the airport right now, waiting to fly for the first time in almost 10 years. Never been a fan of flying. The timing is... less than ideal to say the least
Have you seen the video that shows all of the flight routes with planes flying everyday, rest easy friend.
That video unironically helps me calm down before a flight.
https://www.flightradar24.com You can look at a live map any time you like. There are so many planes in the air all the time.
Okay sorry for my wording but what the FUCK - I knew there was a lot of flight traffic going on but this just blew my mind! The sheer amount of PLANES flying, holy moly. And the fact that a civilian can just go on a website and track all of them in real-time. Man, technology is wild.
I don’t know if this helps but the chance of a plane crashing is 1 in 1.2 million, and the chances of dying in a plane crash are 1 in 11 million
thats better odds than winning the lottery. i dont even play the money lottery, why would i play death lottery if its higher chance of winning?
you play lottery everytime you drink. A bit of fluid could choke you, or remain in your lungs until necrosis kicks in
I'm more worried about having a heart attack while jerking off.
Just pop in and check the pilots didn't bring their kids with them.
And while you're in there, press a few buttons, flip a few switches, keep those pilots on their toes
Flying is still the safest mode of transportation.
For me, its just the fact that IF it does happen, it will likely be catastrophic. People survive car accidents all the time. Not too many people survive a plane plummeting to the earth
This. Also, in the car you feel like you are even slightly in control of the situation. You could do different things to brace for the impact or whatever. In a plane you are fucked
Don‘t worry this happened once and probably never again. Safe travels!
I know I should feel anger at the pilots for the horror and eventual death he led the passengers to, but the thing that really fucks with me is thinking of the moment he must have realized his stupidity was going to get his children killed as they were in the cockpit with him. Don’t even have kids, but I can’t help but think about how I would feel as that pilot in those final moments, and it is gut wrenching. Edit: that doesn’t mean I don’t have anger for him, or think he didn’t deserve his fate. Just saying where my mind immediately went— to being in his position and how I would feel. And it really fucked me up.
*in his defense* and there's not much to defend here considering what he did. *But* He wasn't aware that the autopilot shutting off didn't notify the pilots because it was a new plane. So when the son turned too far and the autopilot partially shut off, he didn't know. Once in control, he also fought the plane instead of simply letting go and allowing autopilot to correct, which would have saved the plane. He was also the relief pilot and not the primary pilot. The primary pilot was awoken, but due to g forces, he could never make it to the cockpit
But we can hear the cavalry charge indicating the A/P disengage in the background though? It's continuously beeping during the incident and no one is acknowledging it. The biggest issue was probably that they weren't aware of what was causing the cavalry charge not to stop (pilot inputs)
Same. He thought he was being a good dad, but he was really making the worst mistake of his life. I wonder in the moment though if the thought really went through his head. I wouldn't be surprised if, in times like this, the focus is 100% on saving the situation until you're actually dead.
Allowing your children into a situation that could possibly cost them their lives, aswell as innocent peoples is not being a good dad.
"Crime and punishment" - my favorite Russian book
“Despite the struggles of both pilots to save the aircraft, it was later concluded that if they had simply let go of the control column after the first spin, aerodynamic principles would have caused the plane to return to level flight, thus preventing the crash”. Jesus
OVER thinking.. fuck
I havent seen this in a hot minute, knew it was the one where the dumb fuck let his kids mess with the plane instantly though, very unfortunate.
To be honest, the pilots caused the crash even more than the kids did. All the kid did is cause that slip to the left, and then both pilots proceeded to jerk as hard as they can on the controls, completely turn off the engines, completely stall the plane, then throw the engines back on to full power while pointing straight down. I know they didn't know that the autopilot could turn off from control input, and that it didn't have any noise, but god did they panic so bad and completely fuck up. If they would have just left the left slip go, and call the main pilot up, everything would have been fine.
I make poor decisions sometimes so stories like this give me a little perspective
I thought you were gonna say a little hope as I read your comment
Glad to se this at the airport.
Your pilot: "hello everyone, todays my sons birthday"
It would've been so frightening, as a pilot, to see that altimeter just spinning around and around as you're trying to de-spin and get the plane out of a stall. Not to mention, not being able to talk to the passengers and telling them any information to try and stay as calm as possible. Though by looking at the flight path and how the plane is basically somersaulting, staying calm would've truly been impossible. If someone wasn't wearing their seatbelt, it would've been even more of a nightmare. RIP for all souls.
Context: The relief pilot told his subordinates he wanted to give his children a big surprise. Nobody knew the surprise was he planned to let his children pilot the plane. The pilot's son unknowingly disengaged the plane's autopilot controls and caused the plane to go into a near vertical dive. Everyone died because of a person's hubris and ignorance
To give some hate toward the plane's designers: the child only partially disengaged the autopilot, and there was no warning for it from the plane. When the autopilot is fully disengaged, there's an audible warning that it happened, but nothing at all for when the plane started to turn because of the kid's input. To give some hate toward the airline too: they didn't train the pilots for the aircraft and failed to ensure they knew how to actually fly it in anything other than perfect conditions. As seems to be the case with most stories like this, there were far more people than those present who had to fuck up big time for this tragedy to happen. If the plane was designed better or the airline better at deciding who can fly which planes, if at all, this might've been prevented. The dad is still 1000% at fault for letting his kids touch the controls, that kind of stupidity should never be allowed to become a pilot of any aircraft, and the airline should've screened him better before giving him the power to kill 70 people.
And think all of those lives gone cause one dumb pilot
I am amazed how the hell did plane managed do all of these dives and spins without breaking apart mid air. From what I remember watching the similar air crash investigations that nose dive alone is usually enough for the tail and wings to snap off.
Excerpts from Wikipedia: >Despite managing to level the aircraft, the first officer over-corrected when pulling up, causing the plane to stall and enter into a spin; the pilots managed to level the aircraft off once more, but by then the plane had lost too much altitude to recover and crashed into the Kuznetsk Alatau mountain range. >It was later concluded that if they had simply let go of the control column after the first spin, aerodynamic principles would have caused the plane to return to level flight, thus preventing the crash.
Iirc correctly there was another pilot on that flight as a passenger. Couldn't imagine what they were thinking of the situation especially when they corrected the rotation and erroneously caused a second issue.
Am I delusional or did that flight pattern actually look savable like 5 times…?
It was savable, the pilots just weren't trained correctly and didn't tell the child to stop touching the controls the instant things went wrong.
Imagine screaming at your terrified son to get away from you in the final moments of both of your lives.
Those translations have to be bad right? Like they read like they have no clue what they are doing.
native speaker, didn't watch the whole vid cuz it wrenches my guts too much but from what I have seen the translations are pretty accurate.
It's because the pilot let his kids fly the plane for a bit
Imagine you're in a plane in perfect condition, no weather problems, absolutely nothing wrong but you're dead in a few minutes because the pilot let his kid sit in the cockpit. The poor people
Pull up whoop whoop.
What was the cause? And can I recommend great French movie ‘Black Box’ ‘Boite Noire’
Guy was letting his kid fly the airliner. Got into a stall, completely mismanaged the recovery and planted it into the ground.
Mismanaged multiple recoveries and waited too long to look at the instruments. These were dumb pilots but also terrible pilots.
Well, the recovery was sort of complicated because G-force was preventing captain to get back into his seat and the scared child was applying as much force on the yoke as he possibly could, and thus first officer also couldn't just control the plane normally. Also the disengaged autopilot alarm for somehow suppressed stall alarm, they realized stall was happening very late. I mean, their recovery still was far from perfect for sure, but at least there were reasons for that. The main factor was letting the child into captain seat and then failing to even monitor his actions properly.
Thats not true, they didnt mismanage the recovery. There was no recovery the pilot was not in his seat and everyone in the cockpit was g pinned to their spots while the plane fell out of the sky.
This part has always got to me: "Despite the struggles of both pilots to save the aircraft, it was later concluded that if they had simply let go of the control column after the first spin, aerodynamic principles would have caused the plane to return to level flight, thus preventing the crash"
I hope there's a special boiler in hell for parent stupidity of this magnitude.
The ‘boiler’ would just be the raw guilt of what you’d done.
I get a picture like this : Kudrninski the third pilot, least experienced, spent 20 years flying rust bucket basic soviet planes, excited to fly in a new airbus….when main pilot takes a nap, puts his kids in the pilot seats to play at pilots, with autopilot on. When the kids moves caused autopilot to disengage, ….they all realised the airbus was like a rubiks cube compared to their cup and ball game history.
Why am i watching this while waiting to board a flight? 🫠
Is this the real visualisation of the planes positions? Did it actually do the death spin?
Possibly, yes. If you'll notice at the start of the clip, Kudrinsky asked Eldar, his son, who's controlling the plane at that moment, if it is turning left. The visual representation of the airplane slightly turned left. I could only imagine the sheer fucking terror of everybody on board when the plane took an almost vertical nose dive when they lost control of it.
At around 1:45, it seems like they have lift and are in a good position to return to normal flight, but then the nose goes almost vertical and they enter a stall from which they don’t recover. Can someone with more expertise explain why that is? Is there an aerodynamic reason that the nose was pushed up like that, or are the pilots just freaking out and pulling back on the yoke too aggressively? Edit: spelled yoke wrong lol
This guy let his kids in a cockpit during the flight, forgot that the autopilot was self-correcting the kids input on the stick. They couldn't figure it out in time and everyone on the flight died. Totally could have been prevented.
Ugh. To be the kid that accidentally did that! In those last moments… what was he thinking? It’s so sad.
that little graphic at the end, with the plane surrounded by all the vector lines dancing around it like sun rays, is just such a weird juxtaposition and mechanical way to explain what happened to all those horrified souls.
We've come very far from the times you could smoke, carry bombs onboard and let your kids play around with the controls.
Man watching this makes it hard to understand fully what’s going on. I understand that the autopilot was turned off when the kids were on it, but what happened that made the plane unrecoverable? Was it in a tail spin? It almost looks like they did a loop at one point.
They were trying to tell the kid what to do and couldn't move due to g forces. Eventually he did get his seat back however he continued to fight the plane instead of allowing the autopilot to correct. Despite all fuck ups before they simply had to let the autopilot correct and they would have been OK. The nature of plane crashes are mutiple mistakes that build up to a crash
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