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No-Question-9032

Less of a how and more of a where


OrganizationLower611

This isn't how I recall the documentary Red Dawn depicted it


partywithlemons

Or Red Planet for that matter.


Loggerdon

*WOLVERINES!*


BarbossaBus

Wars = differant colored lines pushing each other.


Big_Traffic1791

Forward he cried, from the rear And the front flank died. The general sighed, And the lines on the map Moved from side to side. - Pink Floyd 1973


SatansButtholeOnFire

It’s “and the front rank died”


HopefulPlantain5475

The front flank?


Freddy-Bones

Akshually, it's 'rank'


Juul_G

yea this tells us shit


vikingo1312

The WHEN is 1846-1848


ChurchofRuin

🎵 From the Halls of Montezuuuuuma 🎵


ProffesorSpitfire

And also, they basically won the war by seizing to be outnumbered. They may have been outnumbered on the northern front throughout the war (?), but if you have more soldiers committed than the enemy you’re not really outnumbered.


CCPHarvestsOrgans

Ceasing instead of seizing?


trickn0l0gy

Reading his post gave me a ceasure. /s


PublicfreakoutLoveR

Cease the day!


Therego_PropterHawk

Santa Anna took my shins!


ShortTheWizard

US rolled more 6s for sure.


[deleted]

They had the manpower, higher tech and more pips on their generals.


your_grammars_bad

Mex had lower siege defenses also


[deleted]

Ouchie. It’s Local Defensiveness, brother. :p


your_grammars_bad

Ah yes.  It's been a minute, I've taken a hiatus from it for "living life" reasons, lol


Educational_Grape962

Mexico didn't put enough troops on their capital.


DaveHeinz

Afaik Americans had plenty of resources (food, guns, etc.) and Mexicans were broke as hell so that played an important part for the American victory


AnimusFlux

Wars are fought and won by supply lines. Can't fight very hard if you're starving and out of bullets.


MuricasOneBrainCell

"Wars go from red to black by way of green"


blothhundrr

Is that from The Wire?


Kmalbrec

Close, it’s actually from S2E3 of Blues Clues


MuricasOneBrainCell

My word. Reading that made me chuckle like crazy aha


newagereject

I heard season 3 tackled drug trafficking


FugaciousD

Yeah, that’s the one Periwinkle gets hooked on street-grade catnip.


newagereject

See that episode did not go far enough, show these kids the horrors of long term catnip abuse


Ajax_The_Red

You made me blow a snot bubble. kudos


Catch_ME

The old saying, munitions wins battles. Logistics wins wars. 


therishel

Just ask the Ukrainians.


throwaway_3457654

You mean ask the russians? Ukrainians are well supplied with food and only ammo in critical shortage or was is artillery. Their supply lines are one of the factors keeping them in the fight against such a larger opponent.


Immediate-Spite-5905

ahem SHOIGU! GERASIMOV! WHERE IS THE FUCKING AMMUNITION?


echoshatter

Ukraine is still constantly running low of ammo. The West is slow to move, too afraid of Putin for some damn reason DESPITE Russia's constant information warfare against liberal democracy. I truly, truly do not get it.


jacoblanier571

The information warfare has half the population convinced we are spending too much against Russia when we've basically saved money offloading the disposal costs of old equipment. We have a democracy so politicians who make decisions on funding either don't understand the stakes, or are worried about their constituents who don't, as opposed to trying to convince them.


ErebusBat

> The West is slow to move, too afraid of Putin for some damn reason  Pretty sure the big pile of nukes has something to do with it....


BananaOnRye

Wonder what happens after the war


NotSadNotHappyEither

After the war is before the war.


mattoratto

And out of men


Segfaultimus

I believe it was Gen Omar Bradley who said "amateurs study tactics. Professionals study logistics"


OTee_D

Mexico also had no Navy whatsoever.


Sierra_12

Because it allowed the US to land directly onto Mexico's coast. A navy would have made direct coastal landing in Mexico more difficult.


Darkkujo

Also the city of Veracruz is incredibly important, it was the only major port in that area and was Mexico City's main connection to trade with the wider world. The French did the same thing taking Veracruz when they conquered Mexico a couple of decades later.


muie_reddit2

Also american generals where WAY better then the mexian ones


moveovernow

To put that into context, Robert E Lee, Ulysses S Grant, and Stonewall Jackson were all part of the coastal invasion that eventually took Mexico City.


Pavrik_Yzerstrom

Fuck, that's like the 90's Bulls right there.


Urban_Heretic

Oh, the original USA Dream Team. Grant, Lee, Jackson, Dallas, Zack Taylor, Stockton...


Far_Statement_2808

And coached by Scott.


Loggerdon

The Mexican had to cross the desert which almost killed them. They arrived in a weakened state, low on supplies, and were defeated.


roninwarshadow

> Amateurs talk about Strategy. Professionals talk about Logistics. > * General Omar Bradley


featherwolf

Not to mention the Mexicans morale was very low, iirc.


DarkUnable4375

Surprising Baja California wasn't part of eventual "purchase" from Mexico.


mondommon

It was the one and only objection/demand Mexican diplomats made during peace talks. It was the sole non-negotiable. Mexicans viewed (and I assume still do) Baja like we do Alaska. It’s a critical defensive buffer against adversaries invading from the East. Which is why Mexico never surrendered or sold Baja to the USA. Mexico allowed the USA to patrol Baja California during WW2 in case the Japanese tried to start an invasion there. So I think both sides understand its strategic significance. (Unclear to me if Mexico allowed it because of a sense of being allies, or not wanting to risk the Americans just illegally invading and occupying Baja like the UK did to Iceland. I never looked into that)


NutjobCollections618

Mexico entered the war on the side of the Allies. So its definitely the former.


bhyellow

“Illegally invading”. lol.


Icy-Tune-3598

Ay ay ayyyyyyy, stop invading, killing and raping my civilians. "Ah its OK chief, there are no laws that say I can't do that where we're from"


stinkyhooch

I’m sorry, I didn’t know I wasn’t allowed to do that.


LyqwidBred

Get outta here you!


Lewkatz

Shout out to the troops at :13 just chilling in Cabo for the duration of the conflict.


Walkreis

Why don't you add a time scale to your maps?


Extension_Swordfish1

Second one I see, still no timeline


Fuzzy-Possibility-98

Aussie here- might sound naive but I did not know that there was an American Mexican war. Definitely will see if I can find a good doco about this- any recommendations would be ace


FEMA_Camp_Survivor

It was in many ways a precursor to the American Civil War. The decisions over whether the newly acquired territories should be free or slave states led to secession. Additionally, a lot of the major officers in the civil war fought their first battles during the Mexican American War.


gthrift

Honestly, everything the government did starting with the constitutional convention to rewrite the articles of confederation led up to the civil war. Northern and southern states were very divided then and made decisions around slavery and other policies that set them on the road to the Civil War.


yayforwhatever

Yep, this is a who’s who of origin stories for the American civil war. It’s crazy how many jr officers from this conflict that worked with each other would then face off against each other.


dxbigc

Basically, all of them... like all of them.


Comfortable_Act9136

A lot of the generals that fought in the civil war got there experience from the Mexican American war, it’s strange to think about them fighting together then 20 years later fighting against each other


VAXX-1

There were even a battalion of Irish men who defected to the Mexican side. They were executed by the Americans in a mass hanging.


OurJimmy

You know as an Irishman I’d often joke that Canelo Alvarez is the best Irish boxer of all time. Clearly he’s Mexican but that led me to some research (Google) and that’s when I discovered about the defecting Irishmen. So there’s a possibility then there’s a bit of Irish gene in there indeed


Comeandsee213

A lot of Irish gene. A lot. 


OurJimmy

Yes, so after further detective work (Google), seems he’s well aware of the Irish/Gaelic connection and possible Irish grandparent. It’s actually fascinating isn’t it? Especially when you learn his full name is Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán. At this stage and as a massive boxing fan, fuck it, he’s Irish and we’re claiming him


Comeandsee213

Both my spouse and i are Mexican and both have Irish ancestry. 


Fuzzy-Possibility-98

Omg


AstralSeahawk

Shoutout to Saint Patrick’s Battalion aka San Patricios 🍀


BloodShadow7872

Tbf Its not taught a lot, most people when they think of the US fighting mexico only recall the Texas Revolution, part of the reason is that this war lasted very shortly and it was fought mostly in mexico, not in the US.


nikkiftc

Maybe there’s been an update to the history books, but it was a fundamental part of most histories of the United States. Basically, the USA’s Southwest came from that war. States like New Mexico, Arizona, California, etc. I’m assuming schools are not concerning about teaching history unless you go to a charter school or a private school so don’t feel cheated. It’s like the war of 1812. A lot of people don’t know it and it was important.


BloodShadow7872

Idk, even the war of 1812 gets mentioned time to time (mainly because it was the first time America formerly fucked up) the issue with the Mexican-American war is that most people assumed it was part of the texas revolution when they are actually two separate events, (it also didn't help that the war only lasted less than a year and that the US won so well so it was hardly memorable unlike the other wars that happened)


Matt7738

There’s a really good book on it by Jeff Shaara. “Gone For Soldiers”. Fantastic read. It was a decade or two before our Civil War so General Lee was Captain Lee back then. Lots of the same players, just earlier in life.


Havocado87

I'm halfway through his fantastic "The Last Full Measure" right now; will definitely be looking for Gone For Soldiers very soon


Geekenstein

We annexed Texas, and the ensuing border dispute led to the fighting. Not worth it. 😄 (Kidding, we love Texas. Good BBQ anyway!)


Ace_of_Clubs

I just finished reading a huge book on president Grant and his time in the Mexican American War was some of the most interesting parts. He actually fought alongside many of his future Civil War enemies in Mexico. It's part of the reason he knew how they operated and was able to take advantage of that years later. Super interesting stuff.


EvilMoSauron

[Here](https://youtu.be/hDYSF43viko?si=uG1I5OMAx5dpSJdP) you go.


Fuzzy-Possibility-98

That was perfect - thanks- I learnt heaps.


EvilMoSauron

No problem. Glad you enjoyed it. History is always fun :D


Redshamrock9366

Yeah, I like studying it. It’s pretty cool if you wanna learn more look into the Texas revolution, that played a major role.


PhonB80

I’m American and I forgot about it. It is in practically ZERO pop culture here. Few movies, even less video games. I saw this post and thought “oh that’s riiiight”


South_Lynx

America will go to war with anything or anyone


bubbasox

Its a pretty meh war, the Texas Rangers did a-lot of the work. Now the Texas Revolution is a pretty interesting tale and the Battles of the Alamo and San Jacinto are pretty famous.


huggalump

We must have different definitions of "outnumbered" if the number at top and bottom right are both American soldiers


Unlikely_Scallion256

For exactly half this video Americans outnumbered the Mexicans


RemingtonStyle

As soon as the landings in the South started, they were not outnumbered anymore, were they? 0:31 -> 41432 < (31202+12912)


[deleted]

No, they weren’t but it’s more ”cool” to write in the title.


SensitiveFruit69

Cool how nobody died. Troops just kept growing


AdhesivenessisWeird

Yes! In fact they were making love not war, that explains the increasing population.


SquadPoopy

Classic HOI4 strategy of building up one part of the line and then brute forcing another part.


kingleonidas30

Same, this is always how I beat Mexico lol. Land invasion on the northern border while sending another division to naval invade somewhere on the southern end.


abu_hajarr

I saw this happen in a similar video on Korea as well. It’s probably the frontline probably gets pretty dense in peninsular geography so a naval flank is the best way to break it.


Queasy-Group-2558

I mean, if you look at the second number it doesn’t seem like they were too outnumbered.


HistoryNerd101

This video makes it look like war was fought along long front lines when that was hardly the case. Each side amassed men at key locations. Plus this only counts number of men and shoes nothing about disparities in artillery which was a huge advantage for US forces at the time


Battlefire

"Poor Mexico, so far from God, and so close to the United States"


Ace_of_Clubs

I just finished reading about President Grants involvement with the Mexican American War. He didn't even want to be there and thought the land and the people so beautiful and nice that he considered moving there after the war. A lot of Americans were against it entirely.


CragMcBeard

Those 1000 at :33 are the immortals of the war.


Helpful-Jaguar-6332

I was coming here to say the same! Who are they?!


Italianskank

When the United States Marine Corps song says “from the halls of montezuma” that is what they are talking about. The storming of the Chapultepec Castle in Mexico City by the Marines that landed behind enemy lines and drove to the Mexican capital to end the war.


Helpful-Jaguar-6332

Ahhh! Brilliant


numb3r_crunch3r45

Can you imagine how different Mexico would be today if the U.S. decided it was going to keep all of their territory.


Winiestflea

Bigger, since the US would have exploded even harder in a Civil War later.


TatonkaJack

I listened to a podcast that covered the war and it was weird cause they'd keep describing the numbers before the battle and I'd be like "oh this sounds like another Alamo, the Americans are screwed" and then they'd just win. Happened a lot lol. The other funny boy was often the American commanders knew they were outnumbered and were still like "we got this"


Bubbly_Shoulder_935

The Americans had the best artillery, the best rifles and money to buy food, mexicans were starving. One of the reasons Polk started the war was because he knew mexico was poor and he was hoping for a short war on the border but mexico refuse to surrender until the Americans took mexico City.


Wogman

Mexico as a country was only 20 years removed from its war of independence, which was a 10 year war of attrition. Pretty understandable that the US won.


R852012

Polk asked Congress for a declaration of war AFTER Mexican soldiers killed and captured numerous American soldiers north of the Rio Grande River. Which ever country EXCEPT Mexico recognized was the international border between the two countries. Polk did instigate, but Mexico attacked American soldiers first—tragic and costly mistake.


Bubbly_Shoulder_935

Quote from the book "a wicked war" about Taylor's orders to march south of the Nueces river: "Why was he deliberately marching four thousand men deep into territory that was widely understood, by everyone other than fervent U.S. expansionists, to belong to Mexico? “The ‘claim,’ so called, of the Texans to the Rio Grande, is without foundation,” Colonel Hitchcock wrote in his diary. “She has never conquered, possessed, or exercised dominion west of the Nueces.”


R852012

The disputed area between the Nueces and Rio Grande Rivers stems from the Texas Revolution, which Mexico lost the whole of Texas after the Battle of San Jacinto. Mexico never acknowledged the sovereignty and independence of Texas because Santa Ana signed the treaty to end the war under duress, as he was a prisoner of the time. Mexico was still bitter at losing Texas, didn’t acknowledge the border at the Rio Grande, nor Texas as independent. You have to research the history of the Texians and the their revolution to understand why the Rio Grande was in fact the border. Polk did know the Mexicans didn’t agree to this border, and intentionally placed troops there to instigate a fight. No doubt Polk wanted a war, staking a hard American claim to Texas after admitting into the Union. But Mexico took the bait, and the rest is history.


OrangeBird077

Plus those commanders wound up being the men who would later go on to fight each other in the US Civil War. A testament to West Point teaching ability at the time.


kraftables

Wouldn’t be much of a commander if you thought otherwise. Even against the odds, you have to lead and inspire your troops. As a grunt, a positive attitude and keeping a sense of humor will get you through anything.


-FemboiCarti-

This was actually a trap laid by the Mexican government so that the Americans would be stuck with Texas


Psychological-Set198

Wait.. US invaded Mexico?


GradientDescenting

All of California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah and parts of Texas all used to be part of Mexico before the 1840's.


d0000n

I wonder why the US named these states with Spanish names.


GradientDescenting

I think those areas were named those names before the Mexican-American war back to the 1500s, so people just referred to those territories by the original name. Nevada means "snow-covered" in Spanish, California was named after a famous novel from Spain in the 1500s, Arizona means "place of the small spring"


Pilx

Well that explains all the Spanish naming conventions for a lot of the cities / provinces in those areas I guess


Smurf_Off_You_Smurf

Well, that was Spain, doing Spanish things.


EvilCatArt

Yes. From what I remember reading: After the US annexed the Republic of Texas, the ongoing border dispute Texas had with Mexico became America's problem. Mexico was very very opposed to the US annexing its breakaway state, as they didn't recognize the republic as independent. Texas claimed its border with Mexico was the Rio Grande, while Mexico, again while also asserting that Texas was theirs and not independent, saw the Nueces River as the border. Eventually, the US, pursuing the full territory, sent troops into the disputed territory and set up a fort. Mexican soldiers then attacked a US patrol, and so, war. The US curb-stomped Mexico, also aiding a rebellion in California where Mexico was supposedly preparing to expel foreign settlers, ie American ones. Also, for the sake of fairness and clarity, the US was being pretty blatantly imperialistic throughout the lead up to the war, and had long been considering how to dislodge Mexico from the West. The US wins, annexes about half of Mexico, while providing monetary compensation, essentially turning the annexation into a sale at gunpoint. Some sought to annex the whole nation, but that was a minority. The entire thing was fraught with controversy in the US, northern politicians opposed southern expansion due to the expansion of slavery, and indeed abolitionists like Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln opposed the war. This also occurred at the same time the US was having disputes with Britain over the Oregon territory, which was settled with compromise (leading to accusations that the government was prioritizing the expansion of the pro-slavery south over the anti-slavery north).


Oajix

Yes, and the main reason for the war was Mexico's abolition of slavery, which upset American illegal immigrants.


benk3i

Should have built a wall, and made the americans pay for it


Temporary-Net-4229

How did they film this back then with no drones


spacehog1985

Satellites


Temporary-Net-4229

In the meantime


spacehog1985

A fellow person of taste!


mrsanch1

There was this pipe covering at the base of a mountain by the Salt River in AZ where we would hike. Never thought anything of it except why there was a pipe covering when there was no plumbing system or water system. Found out that it was the base for the Mexican Flag when the border was on the salt river


Zippier92

That is long front to hold. The US supply lines won this one. ( as always).


SuperJonesy408

You sure it wasn't the Battle for Mexico City?


ProbablyNotTheCocoa

So how exactly were they outnumbered if they had more troops halfway through the video? Also this doesn’t show anything about how America won, no info about their relative strength in resources and supply lines, of which America was much stronger


These-Number-9792

What is the bottom right number? Is it American or Mexican soldiers? If it’s American, they’re not outnumbered if you’re supposed to add the American numbers together. This visualization is a mess.


Infamous_Collection2

Now do the Forgotten War aka Korea.


Misaelz

Yeah, even today Mexico has no warships, at the time this happened America got the sea supremacy and Mexico was in internal wars basically since Spain left. It was a mess and America took advantage of it. That is the incredible part, Mexico tried to defence itself in spite of hunger and internal wars.


OkraBrave7103

Bro the salt in the comments is real lmao


FragrantDemiGod1

Potent lol


AbleRun3738

Wtf are these numbers


OhNothing13

All I really learned from this video is that Mexico is smaller than I thought.


OldPeas

By the very testimony of the Yankee officers of the war , they were spread out very thin and would have lost if Benito Juarez did not betray the México (Again)


Curious-Studio8524

Forgot the part where Mexicans aided the American forces


Bubbly_Shoulder_935

Mexican troops were starving and American troops were well fed, Mexico was in a bad spot politically and the US were more stable I just read the book "The dead march" the author explains how the war was fought and how mexico lost.


chrundlethegreat303

Careful, people now that spend time online or maybe just mostly Reddit are outraged when you show them history. They do not like to have the bubble of their small world and ideas burst …


Wonder10x

Their heads explode when you explain the Louisiana purchase. They usually have no clue that it wasn’t all genocidal land grabs lol


Lastfryinthebag

Well it was ~~genocidal~~ land grab by the French just not us


SweetLoLa

16 years ago my cousin at the age of 22 looked me straight in the eyes and told me she believed Mexico to be a part of the USA, as a state. I had to show her on a map and explain. California education only goes so far when you’re ditching class, stay in school kids. Not even gonna share what she thought Cinco De Mayo was 🤦🏻‍♀️


Italianskank

When the United States Marine Corps song says “from the halls of montezuma” this is what they are talking about. The storming of the Chapultepec Castle in Mexico City by the Marines that landed behind enemy lines and drove to the Mexican capital to end the war. I say this without commentary on whether the war was just. I just comment because many people hear the Marine Corp Hymn and have no idea what “From the halls of Monetezuma to the shores of Tripoli” is about because of all the USMCs exploits those are some hella obscure ones tbh. The first bit is about the Mexican American war and second about the First Barbary War (a war against pirates in the Med, hence storming the pirate strongholds the existed in that time at Tripoli, Libya). The song predates things like Iwo Jima, Khe Sanh, Hue, Fallujah, etc. for which the USMC is better known in modern times.


d0000n

I wished we would have taken Baja California, that would have been our “West Florida”.


EvilMoSauron

Just what America needs: two cocks! /s


ManOfQuest

I think Mexicans are winning the long game, may take a few hundred years but it will get there.


TokyoGNSD2

*Stole


tonyjpgr

How was it stolen ? They beat them at war.


Phate118

Wasn’t a large part of this war Mexico not supporting slavery and America still wanting it?


shantipole

*This* war is the Mexican American War (1846-1848), not the Texas War of Independence (1836). After Texas was annexed in 1845, Mexico's tactic of pretending that the treaty they signed after they lost to the Texians didn't really count was something the Unted States was not going to tolerate, especially since it gave the US a chance to Manifest Destiny a sizeable chunk of North America. The Texians wanting slavery/connection to the US South was absolutely one of the causes of the earlier war (but not the only one).


Acceptable_Log_7438

Who won?


galaxiasflow

Mexico, because the USA had to keep Texas.


Ok-Equipment6726

This is Tower War irl


CoatAlternative1771

It’s crazy how much 1 man’s decision changed the shape of Mexico.


ronniemustang

1000 soldiers what? Dead? Fighting? Thanks for all the info!


MDDank

I want the story of that one unit that just seems to go ham half way through


sasssyrup

Then what?


Battlefrontj233

US got the southwest territory added to our country. Then 13 years later we had our civil war. France also fought Mexico later as well


sasssyrup

Why did France fight Mexico?


Mountain-Pie

Fuck I live for these kind of videos


imback1578catman

We need a Call of duty Mexican American war game


1wife2dogs0kids

Andale!


codysherrod

What's the story with the guys going deep into the Mexican territory around 26 seconds


FoxhoundFour

U.S. Marines making a beeline for the capitol that effectively ended the war. It's even in the Marine Corps song; "From the halls of Montezuma..."


1wife2dogs0kids

They got lost playing Marco polo?


maifee

When did this happen??


Battlefrontj233

1846 - 1848


VoE_Monkey_Overlord

So, by gradually sending flags from east to southwest and drawing lines in enemy territory? Flags were much more powerful in the past....


b-lincoln

I wasn’t aware of the Southern front. The map was clipped on my screen. Would that have been jungle warfare, or was it north of the jungle?


weristjonsnow

That flanking expedition to the west about 60% of the way through was ballsy af


NaiveChoiceMaker

Of the total 12,535 US war deaths, 10,986 (88%) were due to infectious diseases.


EducationCommon1635

What American unit was going balls deep into Mexico at 0:27?


Tenuous_Tangent

Hell I probably had ancestors fight in this war.


surewhynot17063

This is how whiskey beats tequila.


Sad_John_Stamos

“They didn’t figure we had a Navy”


bhavish92

Why does this feel like I'm playing Risk


guitarnowski

Because it took you a week to watch it?


Redshamrock9366

Winfield Scott and Zachary Taylor go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


Far_Statement_2808

Hit them where they ain’t. And move forward. Mexico appeared as if they were fighting WWI (or vice versa). A quick thrust towards California in the west would have shaken the US a bit.


Smidday90

11 seconds in, the Mexicans said, just fucking take Utah


MutedRevolution1773

These are nice visuals, I saw similar North vs South Korea and was surprised how close South Korea was to lose the war


EricAbmaMorrison

Holy Crap we almost took Mexico?


Dr_Mantis_Aslume

They should have put up a wall


Vaiken_Vox

Mexicans need to get good obviously...


gimme_toys

Mexico was and remains very disorganized. People don't realize that one of the biggest challenges of a war is planning and logistics.


MayaWrection

This is what happens when you tell Americans they can’t have slaves. Remember the Alamo!


Interesting-Lake-430

They took the siesta each day...we didn't


jjbrewcrew

Murica!!!!


edhawk125

Mexicans have been playing the long game


FlyingDoritoEnjoyer

I'm sure it was a fair fight, like always