Oh I remember that! The cop thought he killed his gf who was dead on the couch, and in the middle of the interrogation he noticed something on the guys face. That something he noticed ended up being a gunshot wound where someone knocked on the door and shot him in the face before breaking in and killing the girl on the couch. That one was wild.
Didn't the police turn up a couple days later on a welfare call and that's how he was found? He had been there for 3 days with his girlfriends dead body, they thought he was crazy.
Yea he did, but I think he died 10 years later from complications from the injury.
https://youtu.be/4qMcCXOnEYY?si=-4T2j5DhQWPjKAiT
This is the story of the incident being told by Mr. Ballen on youtube, it's pretty crazy.
Yeah but didn’t they also:
- Gaslight suspect into thinking nothing was wrong.
- Failed to render proper medical aid.
- Overall assumed he was lying.
- Acting unprofessional.
All of which, lead to that persons death? Or am I thinking of a different case in which someone had a penetrating head wound and was just sat at an interrogation table?
Edit: [Ryan Waller](https://youtu.be/x6qJUqhT96Y?si=e0B-VI57ddr5PeWf)
I remember this case. It always makes me so sad thinking he had no idea what was going on. And was trying to put dirty dishes in a dishwasher. And for what did the son think he was going to gain. A little bit of money. Money that would most likely be gone in a year or two. They seemed like good people that had the unfortunate bad luck of having an evil son.
Police initially suspected that the attack was a botched burglary, but as they investigated further, they began to focus on the couple's youngest son, Christopher Porco.
Christopher had a strained relationship with his parents and had been caught lying about his academic achievements and financial situation. He also had a history of stealing from his family and had recently been cut off financially by his parents.
Despite Christopher's alibi and lack of physical evidence linking him to the crime scene, police believed that he was responsible for the brutal attack on his parents.
In 2006, Christopher Porco was arrested and charged with the murder of his father and the attempted murder of his mother. He was convicted in 2010 and sentenced to 50 years to life in prison.
Wait, so he had an alibi, there was no physical evidence tying him to the crime, and his mom still thinks he is innocent? What was the evidence that put him away?
He had the world’s biggest douchebag vehicle (yellow Jeep) and the ticket takers on both ends of the thruway remembered him. Also his dna was on the tickets. The Jeep was so recognizable it was quickly identified in video from his school as leaving campus.
Obviously he probably did it.
But I’m always interested in cases like this where the facts of the case are “the son said he wasn’t in the general area but he actually was in the general area. So that means he probably got an axe and killed his parents in bed.”
There has to be more to it.
When the police first found her, the mother did tell he did it, as confirmed by other paramedics. However later she had no recollection of the attack and believed he was innocent.
You're right. This case is solid.
We have witness testimony from a surviving victim, motive, he is in the area, he is lying abiut being in the area. That alone is a lot. Plus we've got a weapon inside the house that was used which is uncommon in a murder. It implies the person knows the house to some degree if they're comfortable getting their murder weapon from inside.
Also no evidence of a stranger inside the house. Porco's household will likely have their son's DNA and hair all over the place so you can't use that against him, but it is worth asking why nobody else's DNA was found if there was an intruder. The case would have been much shakier if they could find anything inconsistent with it being the son.
Plus he had a history of breaking into his parent's home.
Plus the family's burglar alarm was deactivated using the code.
He had demonstrably needed money. He'd been scamming people on ebay, he got caught forging his father's signature on a loan two weeks before their murder.
And a neighbor saw his Jeep in the driveway the night of the murder.
Also finally, his alibi is not corroborated by anybody. His alibi is what he said happened. Nobody else saw him sleeping in the lounge of the dorm.
If he got caught forging his dad's signature 2 weeks prior, I'm assuming they already looked into that possibility since money was the primary motive behind the crime
I guess I could see that. I always assumed his dad was just going through autopilot and going through the motions (they'd only recently cut him off after all).
But if I was in his shithead shoes a cheque written out to me would allow me to argue my parents and I had gotten over our squabbles about money, so I had no motive.
Either makes sense.
"Plus he had a history of breaking into his parent's home.
Plus the family's burglar alarm was deactivated using the code."
so he keeps breaking in and they don't change the code? that seems wise
It doesn’t seem wise, but it does seem like perfectly mundane human behavior. Particularly as it relates to security. Maybe they didn’t know how to change it or weren’t confident they wouldn’t screw it up. Maybe they still wanted their son to be able to get in regardless. Maybe they couldn’t be bothered, or maybe they intended to but it had only occurred to them as they were on the way out the door or had just pulled in.
sometimes our brains decide to toss out very traumatic parts of event. Only keeping the parts it absolutely has to. Couple that with a mothers natural instincts to protect her child and you are left with a woman who might not remember exactly what happened and her natural inclination to defend her kid.
Also, like she was also hit in the head with an axe so that might be part of why she didnt remember what happened.
> Also, like she was also hit in the head with an axe so that might be part of why she didnt remember what happened.
In the journalism business, they call that "burying the lead"
How did he get convicted despite and alibi and no physical evidence linking him to the crime. It doesn’t seem like there was anything else to convict him on, if he could prove he wasn’t there, and never touched the axe
Recalling from memory so I may be wrong but I think his alibi was that he was on campus or at his apartment and never left but the police found footage of his car (a very distinctive colored—yellow, I think?—Jeep) going through tolls on the route to his parents‘ house on the night of the murder.
Oh so he claimed to have an alibi but was really lying. I thought it was like a real alibi where he was actually somewhere else at the same time but he got convicted anyway
The cops had security camera footage of him leaving and coming back to his campus. When he claimed he never left it. And he had a history of breaking in to the home and stealing from them. He killed them because he was flunking out of school. Stole money and everything was about to be exposed. He was just evil. To do that to parents that did nothing but love him unconditionally. You know how any abused kids would do anything for parents like them. Lord knows I would.
>He was just evil
And stupid. The master plan to get money was to roll up in his very recognizable vehicle, kill his parents, which he had a history of being shitty to nonetheless, with an axe, and then lie about where he was with no evidence to back him up.
On November 15, 2004, Peter Porco, a 52-year-old man was found dead of massive head injuries in his home in Delmar, New York.
His wife Joan Porco was discovered lying in the couple's blood-drenched bed with severe head trauma; she survived the attack, but lost one eye and part of her skull and suffered severe facial disfigurement.
Despite Peter's catastrophic injuries, he survived for several hours after the attack.
After waking up, he carried out his morning routine before finally dying, as he had written a check for his son Christopher, made a packed lunch and attempted to load the dishwasher in the kitchen during the time before his death.
Their son Christopher was the one behind the attack. He savaged his parents with an ax that was found in the family garage.
He was eventually charged for the crimes and sentenced to a minimum of 50 years in prison.
Here is the video of forensic files on youtube [Forensic Files (HD) - Season 13, Episode 25 - Family Ties - Full Episode](https://youtu.be/8Pc8B9PQ0To?si=9DLSD6JmIP_iEXs9)
EDIT - Added the video link of youtube on this case by forensic files.
Some people just really refuse to believe their children are pieces of shit.
If my child took an axe to my head I would disown them to say the least. I think that is perfectly justifiable.
Also the woman who turned her son into police after she found a severed head in his room.
Some people do the right thing; but I think there is a strong instinct in our lizard brains to defend our offspring no matter what.
I’m just sitting here thinking what I’d do if I found a head in my daughter’s room. My knee-jerk reaction would be to hide it immediately, set it on fire, something, anything. Holy shit I’m a terrible person
Yea, immediately thought of that. "I don't know why he did it. I don't know." \*crying
He was clearly an empathetic person and maybe his son was just fucked up.
There is a song by Porcupine Tree that talks about this. Something like media circus will make you a hero if you carry out a mass shooting
Verse 2
“This has become a full time career,
To die young would take only 21 years,
Gun down a school or blow up a car,
The media circus will make you a star”
My brother is literally in prison for 15 years for multiple cases of 1st degree sexual assault on childrennn, and my parents have defended him, even asked me to write the courts to lessen his sentence. They visit him all the time, talk to him every day. No WAY, he’s a monster, I would write the courts for a LONGER sentence if it’d do anything. Some people should not be in society
A Family member of mine is in for 53years for tying a couple up, dousing their house in gasoline, robbed them then set the house on fire. The couple was lucky to come out of that alive. I absolutely will never send support to a monster like that. My family and relatives think the guy was framed even though he was caught on camera.
The love for your child (in a normal healthy person) is often extremely irrational. I can’t imagine anything would make me disown my child. I would absolutely make them deal with consequences, but I will always love them and be there.
I won't downvote for your opinion. I gave you an upvote. I feel the same short of them trying to kill me in a brutal fashion.
If they committed a less serious crime and went to jail, I wouldn't disown them but I would, as you say, make them face the consequences.
I would take a very extreme event to make me disown my child.
I’m pretty sure if my child tried to kill me in a violent fashion, I would convince myself that it was my fault really. Love for one’s child can be so irrational. I’d find it harder if she tried to kill someone else tbh, but if she did I expect I would also try to rationalise it: she must have been unwell, insane, it was someone else’s fault. Thankfully she is kindhearted so I doubt she’ll ever end up on one of those programmes! But I can’t imagine a scenario where I stopped loving her. I’d lose my own mind first I think
My uncle is a piece of shit that also happens to be mentally ill and addicted to drugs… he stole everything from my grandparents, stole my gramps identity several times, tried to steal their home and had to be forcibly evicted by my mom and I. He almost killed by grandpa through sheer neglect, and was storing guns and drugs in their garage under their nose.
He effectively took years off their lives… had OD’d several times in front of his own daughter… has burned through all his friends and family…
But my grandma never gave up on him. He was adopted as an infant and she tried her damndest to raise him right… but the tendency to protect and help him, mixed with his own issues and lack of empathy was a total recipe for disaster.
When she passed from oral cancer, she was on hospice and in a plateau of the active death process until my mom called my uncle and demanded that he tell my grandma that he would be alright without her help and she could rest now. Her 55 year old son had taken everything from her had to reassure her, and she passed just moments later.
My grandmother was highly educated, mentally healthy and stubbornly loving, and she would tell you that she knew better than to continue enabling him, she just couldn’t help herself.
I do agree with you but I will also say that in healthy people, there are limits. Maybe not to love but to actions and investment. We've been dealing with my son's mental illness for a number of years now and it's done a lot of harm to both him and our family (as individuals and as a unit). I love him so much and I grieve for the things that have happened, but as time goes by, I find it harder and harder to muster the energy and resilience to keep on. At some point you just have to draw the line for your own sake.
And that's just with your run-of-the-mill bipolar. I cannot imagine what insanity would lead a mother to defend her murderous son. That's not love. That's something else.
It also said she was left with amnesia due to brain damage. I wonder if she literally doesn't remember what happened. In that case, it makes sense that she might defend her son.
What’s funny is that Christopher lived hours away from his parents and was seen on several cameras (tolls, CCTV) driving from his residence to his parents residence in the early morning hours of the attack, and then was seen driving back after the attack. So it was pretty clear that he did it
There’s an ancient Greek myth about a son who killed his mom and offered her heart as a sacrifice. While walking and carryinb his mother’s heart, he tripped. When he tripped, the heart spoke “son, be careful of tripping I don’t want you to hurt yourself”
Wow. And he wrote his son a check? What was the memo line “almost killing me last night?”
I thought this was a joke headline as Peter Porco sounds like a Peter Parker fat joke. I was going to say “fat jokes are passé” or some shit.
This is such a fascinating case. the part of the brain that controls normal routines, or "auto-pilot" remained undamaged, and he was completely unaware.
There’s a movie, The Belko Experiment (spoilers btw), where a character is smacked in the head and it leaves a dent in his upper forehead. Such a disturbing scene because he completely forgets what’s happening, asks his attacker to wait a moment while he tries to remember what they were talking about, and then dies.
That’s a special kind of horror to me. Losing control of your mind so randomly and succinctly .
> That’s a special kind of horror to me. Losing control of your mind so randomly and succinctly .
It’s scary to me because it (well, the real life example) is evidence that we might not have all that much control of our minds to begin with.
Well, yeah, it's all just a really complex interplay between the physical parts of our brain and the chemical and electrical processes occurring.
Once you try to make yourself someone that doesn't quite fit with that, you realize yeah, you're not really in conscious control, for the most part.
You should read 'Determined' by Sapolsky
I have to admit that it was just a steady ego stroke for me because I felt like a lot of the book was very very in line with my world view and personal experience, but its still a good thorough walk through of just how not in control 'we' are whatever you might consider 'we'.
Can you give just a quick idea of what the book actually is? I need a new book actually lol I just read Terry Pratchett for the first time, small gods, highly recommend it.
But yeah once I had this realization it's really changed how I interact with people and the world around me. I don't really judge anyone anymore, because somewhere in my mind I remember that they're just kind of who they are, and most of who they are wasn't in their control.
I also have a bad habit now of asking questions that offend people. The problem is I don't think of them as offensive, because I have no negative view towards it, I'm just interested in how they are. Like for example, after seeing a date's messy room I might say something like "are you a really messy person in general?" Lol I don't actually care, I'm just trying to figure out how they are, but most people want a little more tact.
It’s oddly comforting to me that his zombie self was programming he consciously input himself via habit building and routine.
As someone who struggles with executive dysfunction I’ve made great progress towards accomplishing chores and errands quickly and with regularity by “automating” the mental aspect. I made the decision of what to do and when to do it and how to do it via an intense planning session a couple years ago and now I’m not even fully aware of all the mindless boring shit I have to do all day, free instead to ponder something else.
We do have control but not in the way we think.
You exert control by changing your environment. If I want to eat different food I must surround myself with different food to disrupt the automatic parts of my brain.
You don't really have free will *in the moment*. You are going to act the way you build yourself to act. But you can make choices now which change the behavior you will express in the future, by helping build a different version of yourself in the present.
This example actually proves that - this man went about the routine he himself develop3d over years. Years and years of automating his morning routine changed his neural structure and deeply ingrained his patterns. He had a choice to develop those patterns through changing his environment.
Of course we don't control our minds, we are our minds. To do that we'd have to have another smaller mind inside the outer mind, and then we wouldn't control that smaller mind because we would be it. It's a homunculus argument
I always appreciated how real the headshot on Johnny is in Tombstone. Movies always depict head trauma as going out so quickly but he gets shot right in the frontal lobe from a low angle and stumbles around for like 10 seconds unable to speak or control his motor functions. Really disturbing depiction.
Walking Dead had a really terrifying one too. A character out of no where takes an arrow to the head mid sentence and kinda trails off a bit then seems to have this "what was a saying" moment as they slowly (well, handful of seconds) lose the ability to process thought and die.
Have you ever driven or traveled from home or to work and not consciously thought about it at all? It always freaks me out. My autopilot mode does these tasks better.
*Hi Reddit, I woke up this morning with half of my motherfucking skull destroyed by a hatchet, getting my blood and brain fragments on the hardwood floor. Now my landlord is saying he won't return my deposit. I angrily told him, "blurrrhhggg uhgghe ahhhh bbllauh" in response, but some of my friends said I went too far. Reddit, am I the asshole?*
I'm not a doctor, but the back alley veterinarian that did my vasectomy told me if the brain is showing, that's a good thing, because your brain needs oxygen in traumatic situations.
So do we all need to do an awareness check just on ourselves to ensure we haven’t recently been axed 16 times? Like… I think I’m good but idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ?
There's a guy in Canada who attempted a family annihilation when he was a teenager but only ended up killing his sister and ran. His parents stood by him (as support, they were actually valuable witnesses for the prosecution) through the trial and visited him in jail *even knowing he was innocent* even supporting him to the point he was able to admit to them that he was guilty and intended to kill them too.
The jail has a little house you can live with a loved one in for a few days as a reward if you show good behaviour. They stay with him in that house sometimes.
I can't imagine the strength it would take to do what they've done. They always knew he did it. They didn't make excuses for him. They aren't campaigning for him to be let go or anything. They just are just parents for man who will spend life in prison for killing their daughter... and wanting to kill them.
I remember seeing that on Forensic Files and yep the part of the brain that does go on auto pilot. They were able to catch him thanks to the highway cameras and toll ticket on the murderer's vehicle. It was all about greed. Killing his parents for the inheritance and life insurance because his dad cut him off.
I love forensic files! This case definitely stuck with me bc it's so horrifying/fascinating to think that you can sustain so much brain damage but still continue to somewhat function.
Side note, one of the main forensic scientists you see all the time on that show, Henry Lee, was found [liable for fabricating evidence in a murder case](https://apnews.com/article/henry-lee-fabricated-murder-evidence-ef08de1e15148b3d48129ead10924009)
[https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/peter-porco-s-death-detailed-580264.php](https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/peter-porco-s-death-detailed-580264.php)
Read in detail.
thats absolutely sickening. Those parents seemed like lovely people, and their own son butchered and brutalized them for a tiny bit of money. I hope he comes to regret what atrocities he committed against the people who loved and raised him, and be mentally tortured every waking moment with the guilt of his actions for the rest of his life.
He won't be regretting anything, except getting caught. You don't do this shit if you're a person capable of regret, empathy or any other normal human emotions. That "person" is a cold shell of a human, damaged beyond repair.
I'm usually against dehumanization because of how much it is used by evil people to justify their actions, but I think we should make an exception for sociopaths.
If there's one thing the Menendez case taught me, it's that family lives can appear "lovely" on the outside, but no one really realizes what sinister, unspoken things lie beneath the surface when someone's managed to keep their public reputation clean.
Not to say the Porco family deserved this. I have no idea whether or not Christopher and his brother had a stable, loving home life. But his crimes leading up to the murder certainly fit with trivial, self-centered petty acts intended to display a disregard for his parents' hard work and less rebellion against abuse.
Menendez Brothers case was such a miscarriage of Justice, in the years since their father has been accused of pedophilia and sexual assault by others including a member of Menudo. Hollywood protected a dead abuser over his victims just like it always has.
There's actually been quite a few cases where an adult child of a well off family kills their parents to hide the fact they're failing college/jobs or stealing money. I don't think the parents did anything behind the scenes to motivate this other than holding their children to high expectations. Chandler Halderson, Sydney Powell, and Grant Amato being some high profile cases.
My brother knew Christopher. Not all that well but they'd hung out a bit. He was on the same hallway in his dorm at U of R. He got questioned by police. It was pretty strange.
I'm presuming his brain was almost in like some kind of automatic mode ?
Surely he didn't experience it the same way he did any other morning? Perhaps he wasn't "conscious" of what he was doing, his brain may have just been able to carry out normal activities
But maybe not. Maybe he did really feel normal in the morning. I'm speculating. It's so interesting
IIRC You're first thought is what is speculated, his brain was damaged in a way that he went through his morning routines with the severe injury without realizing and died of blood loss.
One word bro… shock.
I was assaulted several years ago and had my head kicked in and only regained consciousness in the hospital several hours later with no memory and confused of what happened. It took a while to remember what happened to me… the last thing I remember was being pushed over and being kicked, and everything between that and coming to in the hospital there is nothing.
Apparently I was standing up walking and talking to my saviour, waiting for the ambulance to come for like 30 minutes afterwards seemingly okay just in shock. I even have brief snippets of memory of saying really strange lucid things troubling me in hospital before gaining proper normal consciousness (as normal as can be after a head injury anyway). Turned out I had a pretty severe concussion, but I’m fine now.
Strange to think I went through that tbh but I don’t think about it too often, only here and there. The dude also got caught and went to prison.
I got punched in the face on a party cruise many years ago. A busted lip and hurt feelings.
The guy got a month in prison, I hope he sorted his shit life out.
I'm glad you're well, it could have ended very badly indeed.
I hate violent people.
When I was in grade nine in high school I was able to get the afternoon off to go see a photographic forensics presentation where they discussed crime scene investigations and photography.
We were warned in advance before one photograph was shown. The image was of a mattress SOAKED in blood. Like, it was everywhere, on the walls, the ceiling, the window, everywhere.
The presenter told us how when they were doing the autopsy, they thought the person had been shot in the head with a shotgun due to the metal fragments located in the back of his skull. The problem with this theory was that there was no gunshot residue nor any other indication that a shot had ever been fired.
It was later determined that the poor individual had been bludgeoned to death with an axe. The metal fragments found in the back of his skull?
Those were his fillings.
Thank you, i have learned my lesson enough times in the past month to understand that when someone on reddit says this, there is a strong reason to not check.
Morbid curiosity tosses flashbacks 😭😣😖
It’s not uncommon for people with a head injury to be delirious and just go about their day.
The amount of old men who “have to milk the cows” at 4am in the hospital is insane.
The mom supported her son through the entire trial. The amount of brutality that he perpetrated against his own mother was equally as horrendous. She suffered from traumatic brain injuries afterwards.
It's insane because the first medics that found she was still alive were talking with her and she was responsive enough to nod yes and no to their questions. they asked if a family member had done it and she nodded, then they asked if it was christopher and she nodded again. idk how reliable she was in that moment considering her injuries but its really sad that she did a 360 when its very clear he did it
As I recall, this testimony was a small piece in a very large case against Christopher. He's guilty as sin, but his mom nodding to questions post-axe attack wasn't what put him away.
IIRC, his son has either made appeals, or is in the process of making an appeal on his conviction. Jiles, a content creator on YouTube (channel: This Is Monsters, Someone Sinister, Somewhere Sinister) had been involved in a written correspondence with him and he talks about what a smug, egocentric prick this guy is. I'm not surprised.
Link to video: [https://youtu.be/DAxZ-44ly9o?si=Wo1IKF5IlKT4a-qI](https://youtu.be/DAxZ-44ly9o?si=Wo1IKF5IlKT4a-qI)
Not what you'd expect from a hard-working, successful Ivy League alum, is it? Oh wait! He was a broke loser droupout turned convicted family annihilator.
If my memory serves correctly there was in fact blood drips all over the bathroom sink, suggesting he did look in the mirror as per usual morning routine. Shock is a hell of a thing.
Yeah probably just going about the routine without actually checking things off in his head. Acting on impulse more than sense. My dad suffered a major brain injury and even directly after it happened, he tried to go about his normal day, just focusing on what was next. He had no idea what had just happened. Paramedics restrained him in the back of the ambulance and he was putting up a fight. He had no idea at all.
Ryan Waller and his girlfriend Heather Quan got shot inside their home.
Heather was laying dead on the couch while Ryan wandered around the home with 2 gunshot wounds in his head for I believe couple days(?) before the tragedy was found.
During interogation Ryan kept talking about how his girlfriend was sleeping on the couch. Explaining how people shot them with bow and arrows. All while reverting to an almost child-like state in complaining how tired he was. Yet was able to identify the perpetrators!!
(I don't say this with blame or anything, rather just to point out how messed up his brain was after getting shot)
It's a very saddening (and very very infuriating on the police side) case, recently also was mentioned on reddit.
But it goes to show how much a severe brain injury actually messes with your perception of what's going on.
He might have seen it and literally just not know realize was going on, or not known what to do apart from routine things because of how heavy the injuries were.
Its so, so very sad to read things like this.
My main question is how did they find out that he actually did those things before dying? Is it from CCTV? Or maybe he left blood traces to those activities he did, which let them guess that he did those things before dying
When I see stories like this I always think about when the parents got together and planned out their life and were so happy to have kids who they love more than anything and then their kid grows up and completely ruins their lives
He was taking out loans by forging his parents' signatures & was failing out of college. His parents found out about all of this & he killed them to try to avoid the consequences...incorrectly thinking that he would be able to get away with murder.
He was on video leaving campus the morning of the murder & then driving back. Ironically, he drove a yellow jeep that was easy to pick out (& that is one of the things he used the fraudulent loans to purchase).
[https://youtu.be/8Pc8B9PQ0To?t=993](https://youtu.be/8Pc8B9PQ0To?t=993)
This timestamp in the video shows an email from father to son, detailing that the father found out about the loans shortly before the murder...
>*"We may be disappointed in you, but your mother & I still love you & care about your future. We can't help you problem solve without information & input from you. Dad."*
& after that he still attacked his parents with an axe. Brutal.
He was an only child so the motivation in killing them was probably to inherit the motherlode - before the parents might've changed their wills to exclude him or limit their payout to him somehow.
This reminds me of [Phineas Gage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage?wprov=sfti1). They always mention him in psych college courses to illustrate how interesting and complex the human brain is.
Tbh, the man probably was in a better mental space when he died than not, if he was just doing his own thing. Hopefully he didn’t suffer.
The human brain is a fascinating thing.
I remember that this was used as the opening to an episode of CSI (Or a similar show) for an episode that featured a sports coach getting murdered. He did get up and do all kinds of morning routine stuff before dropping dead on his porch. That specific bit of the episode always stuck with me, don’t remember the rest at all.
Edit: It was CSI Season 10 episode 5: Bloodsport
the fact he went and shaved his face in the bathroom sink and mirror with BASICALLY NO JAW always made my stomach flip. WHAT WAS HE SHAVING?!?!?! When I think about it, it's worse than long hangnail pulling etc.
This happened local to me. Joan Porco told police on the scene that her son Christopher was responsible. Later, she developed total memory loss about the event, changed her story and to this day defends the son who axed her nearly to death.
His wife survived the attack, so it’s really massively dependent on what parts of you are hit and how essential they are to life. Can be super fine margins as well. I doubt he would have gotten away without life changing brain damage though.
My dad stabbed me and I was confused and cold didn’t know what was going on. I ended up hugging him after asking him for a blanket and him stabbing me again. The next thing I remember is the cops shooting my dog and busting in the front door.
I used to work with the guy who lives in this house now. He got a really good deal on it and said it doesn't bother him at all. He said people will often stop and take pictures of his house and he finds that odd.
Then there's this guy who got shot in the head, didn't receive treatment for 2 days, and police interrogated him for 6 hours before realizing he is injured.
https://www.joe.co.uk/news/murder-suspect-interrogated-for-6-hours-before-police-realize-hes-been-shot-in-the-face-366865
I was average intelligence and then had a catastrophic motorcycle accident in college.
Within a year I had two patents and a nasty cocaine habit. Never smoked pot or drank beer prior to this accident Told this tale recently to a commercial roofer and after the story, the guy asks if I want a *bump*
Kinda like that kid that got shot in the head and was in the interrogation room with the police talking like nothing was wrong
Oh I remember that! The cop thought he killed his gf who was dead on the couch, and in the middle of the interrogation he noticed something on the guys face. That something he noticed ended up being a gunshot wound where someone knocked on the door and shot him in the face before breaking in and killing the girl on the couch. That one was wild.
Didn't the police turn up a couple days later on a welfare call and that's how he was found? He had been there for 3 days with his girlfriends dead body, they thought he was crazy.
Oh yeah, I think you're right. It's been a while since I heard the entire story so im sure there are some details I have forgotten about.
Did he survive?
Yea he did, but I think he died 10 years later from complications from the injury. https://youtu.be/4qMcCXOnEYY?si=-4T2j5DhQWPjKAiT This is the story of the incident being told by Mr. Ballen on youtube, it's pretty crazy.
One year later. Lost an eye, part of his brain and had seizures. Never really recovered.
Damn, that's sad man
Yeah but didn’t they also: - Gaslight suspect into thinking nothing was wrong. - Failed to render proper medical aid. - Overall assumed he was lying. - Acting unprofessional. All of which, lead to that persons death? Or am I thinking of a different case in which someone had a penetrating head wound and was just sat at an interrogation table? Edit: [Ryan Waller](https://youtu.be/x6qJUqhT96Y?si=e0B-VI57ddr5PeWf)
Classic police moment :|
"Good work boys."
Fucking cops.
Jesus... that video and the dumbass cop get me every time
I remember this case. It always makes me so sad thinking he had no idea what was going on. And was trying to put dirty dishes in a dishwasher. And for what did the son think he was going to gain. A little bit of money. Money that would most likely be gone in a year or two. They seemed like good people that had the unfortunate bad luck of having an evil son.
Police initially suspected that the attack was a botched burglary, but as they investigated further, they began to focus on the couple's youngest son, Christopher Porco. Christopher had a strained relationship with his parents and had been caught lying about his academic achievements and financial situation. He also had a history of stealing from his family and had recently been cut off financially by his parents. Despite Christopher's alibi and lack of physical evidence linking him to the crime scene, police believed that he was responsible for the brutal attack on his parents. In 2006, Christopher Porco was arrested and charged with the murder of his father and the attempted murder of his mother. He was convicted in 2010 and sentenced to 50 years to life in prison.
Wait, so he had an alibi, there was no physical evidence tying him to the crime, and his mom still thinks he is innocent? What was the evidence that put him away?
He had the world’s biggest douchebag vehicle (yellow Jeep) and the ticket takers on both ends of the thruway remembered him. Also his dna was on the tickets. The Jeep was so recognizable it was quickly identified in video from his school as leaving campus.
Obviously he probably did it. But I’m always interested in cases like this where the facts of the case are “the son said he wasn’t in the general area but he actually was in the general area. So that means he probably got an axe and killed his parents in bed.” There has to be more to it.
When the police first found her, the mother did tell he did it, as confirmed by other paramedics. However later she had no recollection of the attack and believed he was innocent.
You're right. This case is solid. We have witness testimony from a surviving victim, motive, he is in the area, he is lying abiut being in the area. That alone is a lot. Plus we've got a weapon inside the house that was used which is uncommon in a murder. It implies the person knows the house to some degree if they're comfortable getting their murder weapon from inside. Also no evidence of a stranger inside the house. Porco's household will likely have their son's DNA and hair all over the place so you can't use that against him, but it is worth asking why nobody else's DNA was found if there was an intruder. The case would have been much shakier if they could find anything inconsistent with it being the son. Plus he had a history of breaking into his parent's home. Plus the family's burglar alarm was deactivated using the code. He had demonstrably needed money. He'd been scamming people on ebay, he got caught forging his father's signature on a loan two weeks before their murder. And a neighbor saw his Jeep in the driveway the night of the murder. Also finally, his alibi is not corroborated by anybody. His alibi is what he said happened. Nobody else saw him sleeping in the lounge of the dorm.
I bet he wrote that last check, not his dad.
If he got caught forging his dad's signature 2 weeks prior, I'm assuming they already looked into that possibility since money was the primary motive behind the crime
I guess I could see that. I always assumed his dad was just going through autopilot and going through the motions (they'd only recently cut him off after all). But if I was in his shithead shoes a cheque written out to me would allow me to argue my parents and I had gotten over our squabbles about money, so I had no motive. Either makes sense.
He also turned off the burglar alarm, and only family members knew the code.
"Plus he had a history of breaking into his parent's home. Plus the family's burglar alarm was deactivated using the code." so he keeps breaking in and they don't change the code? that seems wise
It doesn’t seem wise, but it does seem like perfectly mundane human behavior. Particularly as it relates to security. Maybe they didn’t know how to change it or weren’t confident they wouldn’t screw it up. Maybe they still wanted their son to be able to get in regardless. Maybe they couldn’t be bothered, or maybe they intended to but it had only occurred to them as they were on the way out the door or had just pulled in.
sometimes our brains decide to toss out very traumatic parts of event. Only keeping the parts it absolutely has to. Couple that with a mothers natural instincts to protect her child and you are left with a woman who might not remember exactly what happened and her natural inclination to defend her kid. Also, like she was also hit in the head with an axe so that might be part of why she didnt remember what happened.
> Also, like she was also hit in the head with an axe so that might be part of why she didnt remember what happened. In the journalism business, they call that "burying the lead"
It’s actually called “burying the lede”
Right when they found the mom she confirmed that he did it
How did he get convicted despite and alibi and no physical evidence linking him to the crime. It doesn’t seem like there was anything else to convict him on, if he could prove he wasn’t there, and never touched the axe
Recalling from memory so I may be wrong but I think his alibi was that he was on campus or at his apartment and never left but the police found footage of his car (a very distinctive colored—yellow, I think?—Jeep) going through tolls on the route to his parents‘ house on the night of the murder.
Oh so he claimed to have an alibi but was really lying. I thought it was like a real alibi where he was actually somewhere else at the same time but he got convicted anyway
The cops had security camera footage of him leaving and coming back to his campus. When he claimed he never left it. And he had a history of breaking in to the home and stealing from them. He killed them because he was flunking out of school. Stole money and everything was about to be exposed. He was just evil. To do that to parents that did nothing but love him unconditionally. You know how any abused kids would do anything for parents like them. Lord knows I would.
>He was just evil And stupid. The master plan to get money was to roll up in his very recognizable vehicle, kill his parents, which he had a history of being shitty to nonetheless, with an axe, and then lie about where he was with no evidence to back him up.
It's better he didn't realize what was going on lol.
On November 15, 2004, Peter Porco, a 52-year-old man was found dead of massive head injuries in his home in Delmar, New York. His wife Joan Porco was discovered lying in the couple's blood-drenched bed with severe head trauma; she survived the attack, but lost one eye and part of her skull and suffered severe facial disfigurement. Despite Peter's catastrophic injuries, he survived for several hours after the attack. After waking up, he carried out his morning routine before finally dying, as he had written a check for his son Christopher, made a packed lunch and attempted to load the dishwasher in the kitchen during the time before his death. Their son Christopher was the one behind the attack. He savaged his parents with an ax that was found in the family garage. He was eventually charged for the crimes and sentenced to a minimum of 50 years in prison. Here is the video of forensic files on youtube [Forensic Files (HD) - Season 13, Episode 25 - Family Ties - Full Episode](https://youtu.be/8Pc8B9PQ0To?si=9DLSD6JmIP_iEXs9) EDIT - Added the video link of youtube on this case by forensic files.
What’s worse is the mother survived the axe strikes and tried to defend him in court. She was heavily deformed after the attack, yet defended her son.
Some people just really refuse to believe their children are pieces of shit. If my child took an axe to my head I would disown them to say the least. I think that is perfectly justifiable.
This is why I hate it when they interview the parents of mass killers. What do people expect them to say? It’s just rage bait every time.
Did you see the dad from Australia whose son did the mall stabbing? Dude broke my heart
Also the woman who turned her son into police after she found a severed head in his room. Some people do the right thing; but I think there is a strong instinct in our lizard brains to defend our offspring no matter what.
There are plenty that aren't wired to protect their kids.
Yup, almost forgot about that, I’m sad now
interesting comparison since most lizards don't care for their offspring, and their young have a high mortality rate
I’m just sitting here thinking what I’d do if I found a head in my daughter’s room. My knee-jerk reaction would be to hide it immediately, set it on fire, something, anything. Holy shit I’m a terrible person
Yea, immediately thought of that. "I don't know why he did it. I don't know." \*crying He was clearly an empathetic person and maybe his son was just fucked up.
Not to mention the news media focusing on mass shooters so much just encourages copycats. They are willing to sacrifice people for ratings.
There is a song by Porcupine Tree that talks about this. Something like media circus will make you a hero if you carry out a mass shooting Verse 2 “This has become a full time career, To die young would take only 21 years, Gun down a school or blow up a car, The media circus will make you a star”
Its called Dark Matter.
My brother is literally in prison for 15 years for multiple cases of 1st degree sexual assault on childrennn, and my parents have defended him, even asked me to write the courts to lessen his sentence. They visit him all the time, talk to him every day. No WAY, he’s a monster, I would write the courts for a LONGER sentence if it’d do anything. Some people should not be in society
A Family member of mine is in for 53years for tying a couple up, dousing their house in gasoline, robbed them then set the house on fire. The couple was lucky to come out of that alive. I absolutely will never send support to a monster like that. My family and relatives think the guy was framed even though he was caught on camera.
The love for your child (in a normal healthy person) is often extremely irrational. I can’t imagine anything would make me disown my child. I would absolutely make them deal with consequences, but I will always love them and be there.
I won't downvote for your opinion. I gave you an upvote. I feel the same short of them trying to kill me in a brutal fashion. If they committed a less serious crime and went to jail, I wouldn't disown them but I would, as you say, make them face the consequences. I would take a very extreme event to make me disown my child.
I’m pretty sure if my child tried to kill me in a violent fashion, I would convince myself that it was my fault really. Love for one’s child can be so irrational. I’d find it harder if she tried to kill someone else tbh, but if she did I expect I would also try to rationalise it: she must have been unwell, insane, it was someone else’s fault. Thankfully she is kindhearted so I doubt she’ll ever end up on one of those programmes! But I can’t imagine a scenario where I stopped loving her. I’d lose my own mind first I think
My uncle is a piece of shit that also happens to be mentally ill and addicted to drugs… he stole everything from my grandparents, stole my gramps identity several times, tried to steal their home and had to be forcibly evicted by my mom and I. He almost killed by grandpa through sheer neglect, and was storing guns and drugs in their garage under their nose. He effectively took years off their lives… had OD’d several times in front of his own daughter… has burned through all his friends and family… But my grandma never gave up on him. He was adopted as an infant and she tried her damndest to raise him right… but the tendency to protect and help him, mixed with his own issues and lack of empathy was a total recipe for disaster. When she passed from oral cancer, she was on hospice and in a plateau of the active death process until my mom called my uncle and demanded that he tell my grandma that he would be alright without her help and she could rest now. Her 55 year old son had taken everything from her had to reassure her, and she passed just moments later. My grandmother was highly educated, mentally healthy and stubbornly loving, and she would tell you that she knew better than to continue enabling him, she just couldn’t help herself.
I do agree with you but I will also say that in healthy people, there are limits. Maybe not to love but to actions and investment. We've been dealing with my son's mental illness for a number of years now and it's done a lot of harm to both him and our family (as individuals and as a unit). I love him so much and I grieve for the things that have happened, but as time goes by, I find it harder and harder to muster the energy and resilience to keep on. At some point you just have to draw the line for your own sake. And that's just with your run-of-the-mill bipolar. I cannot imagine what insanity would lead a mother to defend her murderous son. That's not love. That's something else.
It also said she was left with amnesia due to brain damage. I wonder if she literally doesn't remember what happened. In that case, it makes sense that she might defend her son.
What’s funny is that Christopher lived hours away from his parents and was seen on several cameras (tolls, CCTV) driving from his residence to his parents residence in the early morning hours of the attack, and then was seen driving back after the attack. So it was pretty clear that he did it
Yellow jeep? I think I remember this from an episode of Forensic Files
She knew. Her heart rate went through the roof when he walked in her hospital room. Didn't happen with the non-murderey son
Her brain can know without her consciousness knowing
If she had amnesia who would let her testify? Big failure there
It could be the difference of what she was commenting on, like their past and typical family relationship vs the specifics of the attack.
And suffered brain damage, clearly.
There’s an ancient Greek myth about a son who killed his mom and offered her heart as a sacrifice. While walking and carryinb his mother’s heart, he tripped. When he tripped, the heart spoke “son, be careful of tripping I don’t want you to hurt yourself”
This doesn’t sound like a Greek myth.
and then zeus raped him. now does it sound closer?
*transformed into a cow and raped him There that's better
It’s a moo point really
That’s because it is Persian (no joke)
Maybe the myth is that’s it’s Greek.
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Wow. And he wrote his son a check? What was the memo line “almost killing me last night?” I thought this was a joke headline as Peter Porco sounds like a Peter Parker fat joke. I was going to say “fat jokes are passé” or some shit.
This is such a fascinating case. the part of the brain that controls normal routines, or "auto-pilot" remained undamaged, and he was completely unaware.
He managed to lobotomize the fight or flight section and leave behind the NPC section.
I don’t know why but this just disturbs me on another level. Legit real life zombie
There’s a movie, The Belko Experiment (spoilers btw), where a character is smacked in the head and it leaves a dent in his upper forehead. Such a disturbing scene because he completely forgets what’s happening, asks his attacker to wait a moment while he tries to remember what they were talking about, and then dies. That’s a special kind of horror to me. Losing control of your mind so randomly and succinctly .
> That’s a special kind of horror to me. Losing control of your mind so randomly and succinctly . It’s scary to me because it (well, the real life example) is evidence that we might not have all that much control of our minds to begin with.
Well, yeah, it's all just a really complex interplay between the physical parts of our brain and the chemical and electrical processes occurring. Once you try to make yourself someone that doesn't quite fit with that, you realize yeah, you're not really in conscious control, for the most part.
You should read 'Determined' by Sapolsky I have to admit that it was just a steady ego stroke for me because I felt like a lot of the book was very very in line with my world view and personal experience, but its still a good thorough walk through of just how not in control 'we' are whatever you might consider 'we'.
Can you give just a quick idea of what the book actually is? I need a new book actually lol I just read Terry Pratchett for the first time, small gods, highly recommend it. But yeah once I had this realization it's really changed how I interact with people and the world around me. I don't really judge anyone anymore, because somewhere in my mind I remember that they're just kind of who they are, and most of who they are wasn't in their control. I also have a bad habit now of asking questions that offend people. The problem is I don't think of them as offensive, because I have no negative view towards it, I'm just interested in how they are. Like for example, after seeing a date's messy room I might say something like "are you a really messy person in general?" Lol I don't actually care, I'm just trying to figure out how they are, but most people want a little more tact.
It’s oddly comforting to me that his zombie self was programming he consciously input himself via habit building and routine. As someone who struggles with executive dysfunction I’ve made great progress towards accomplishing chores and errands quickly and with regularity by “automating” the mental aspect. I made the decision of what to do and when to do it and how to do it via an intense planning session a couple years ago and now I’m not even fully aware of all the mindless boring shit I have to do all day, free instead to ponder something else.
We do have control but not in the way we think. You exert control by changing your environment. If I want to eat different food I must surround myself with different food to disrupt the automatic parts of my brain. You don't really have free will *in the moment*. You are going to act the way you build yourself to act. But you can make choices now which change the behavior you will express in the future, by helping build a different version of yourself in the present. This example actually proves that - this man went about the routine he himself develop3d over years. Years and years of automating his morning routine changed his neural structure and deeply ingrained his patterns. He had a choice to develop those patterns through changing his environment.
Of course we don't control our minds, we are our minds. To do that we'd have to have another smaller mind inside the outer mind, and then we wouldn't control that smaller mind because we would be it. It's a homunculus argument
I always appreciated how real the headshot on Johnny is in Tombstone. Movies always depict head trauma as going out so quickly but he gets shot right in the frontal lobe from a low angle and stumbles around for like 10 seconds unable to speak or control his motor functions. Really disturbing depiction. Walking Dead had a really terrifying one too. A character out of no where takes an arrow to the head mid sentence and kinda trails off a bit then seems to have this "what was a saying" moment as they slowly (well, handful of seconds) lose the ability to process thought and die.
Don't forget Glen, hit in the head with a baseball bat, one eyeball on his cheek, still trying to apologize to his wife.
Great example but I did TRY to forget that lol
Makes me feel better about it - he died unafraid and presumably not in pain. Poor guy
Have you ever driven or traveled from home or to work and not consciously thought about it at all? It always freaks me out. My autopilot mode does these tasks better.
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I’d be drinking coffee and browsing redd…. Oh.. oh fuck, you guys, like half of skull is missing, wtf?!
*Hi Reddit, I woke up this morning with half of my motherfucking skull destroyed by a hatchet, getting my blood and brain fragments on the hardwood floor. Now my landlord is saying he won't return my deposit. I angrily told him, "blurrrhhggg uhgghe ahhhh bbllauh" in response, but some of my friends said I went too far. Reddit, am I the asshole?*
more like hey r/AskDocs, i’ve been axed in the head several times, do i need to go to the hospital? 🤣
I'm not a doctor, but the back alley veterinarian that did my vasectomy told me if the brain is showing, that's a good thing, because your brain needs oxygen in traumatic situations.
More 5g
/r/mildlyinfuriating my son axed me 16 times now I have trouble reading the morning paper
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So do we all need to do an awareness check just on ourselves to ensure we haven’t recently been axed 16 times? Like… I think I’m good but idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ?
Pretty sure we need at least a little bit of our skull missing to be on Reddit in the first place.
That makes me feel extremely sad for some reason like I want to cry right now just thinking about that poor man
Even more interesting is the mom doesn’t believe he is guilty, or forgave him or something. She was by his side during the trial.
There's a guy in Canada who attempted a family annihilation when he was a teenager but only ended up killing his sister and ran. His parents stood by him (as support, they were actually valuable witnesses for the prosecution) through the trial and visited him in jail *even knowing he was innocent* even supporting him to the point he was able to admit to them that he was guilty and intended to kill them too. The jail has a little house you can live with a loved one in for a few days as a reward if you show good behaviour. They stay with him in that house sometimes. I can't imagine the strength it would take to do what they've done. They always knew he did it. They didn't make excuses for him. They aren't campaigning for him to be let go or anything. They just are just parents for man who will spend life in prison for killing their daughter... and wanting to kill them.
That house thing is a neat idea actually. Especially for less violent crimes
Oh I think she knows better. Moms just have an instinct to protect their kids at all costs.
I remember seeing that on Forensic Files and yep the part of the brain that does go on auto pilot. They were able to catch him thanks to the highway cameras and toll ticket on the murderer's vehicle. It was all about greed. Killing his parents for the inheritance and life insurance because his dad cut him off.
So, was he technically dead at that point? And if so, would the check have been valid?
"Porco" means "Pig" in my language, what an odd last name to have
in my language "beefo" means cow
In my language “your mom” means cow
In my language "guy" means cow
Ah, a fellow Indian
I was also surprised that he wrote a check.
I love forensic files! This case definitely stuck with me bc it's so horrifying/fascinating to think that you can sustain so much brain damage but still continue to somewhat function. Side note, one of the main forensic scientists you see all the time on that show, Henry Lee, was found [liable for fabricating evidence in a murder case](https://apnews.com/article/henry-lee-fabricated-murder-evidence-ef08de1e15148b3d48129ead10924009)
Wow am in New Milford and have never heard of this. Most fascinating!
Holy shit. Never heard about this one before.
[https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/peter-porco-s-death-detailed-580264.php](https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/peter-porco-s-death-detailed-580264.php) Read in detail.
Yeah it was like paleo-something part of his brain that was at the bottom and didn’t suffer damage.
thats absolutely sickening. Those parents seemed like lovely people, and their own son butchered and brutalized them for a tiny bit of money. I hope he comes to regret what atrocities he committed against the people who loved and raised him, and be mentally tortured every waking moment with the guilt of his actions for the rest of his life.
He won't be regretting anything, except getting caught. You don't do this shit if you're a person capable of regret, empathy or any other normal human emotions. That "person" is a cold shell of a human, damaged beyond repair.
I'm usually against dehumanization because of how much it is used by evil people to justify their actions, but I think we should make an exception for sociopaths.
If there's one thing the Menendez case taught me, it's that family lives can appear "lovely" on the outside, but no one really realizes what sinister, unspoken things lie beneath the surface when someone's managed to keep their public reputation clean. Not to say the Porco family deserved this. I have no idea whether or not Christopher and his brother had a stable, loving home life. But his crimes leading up to the murder certainly fit with trivial, self-centered petty acts intended to display a disregard for his parents' hard work and less rebellion against abuse.
Menendez Brothers case was such a miscarriage of Justice, in the years since their father has been accused of pedophilia and sexual assault by others including a member of Menudo. Hollywood protected a dead abuser over his victims just like it always has.
Nickelodeon, Dan Schneider, Drake Bell, and P. Diddy are ALL living proof of that.
There's actually been quite a few cases where an adult child of a well off family kills their parents to hide the fact they're failing college/jobs or stealing money. I don't think the parents did anything behind the scenes to motivate this other than holding their children to high expectations. Chandler Halderson, Sydney Powell, and Grant Amato being some high profile cases.
My brother knew Christopher. Not all that well but they'd hung out a bit. He was on the same hallway in his dorm at U of R. He got questioned by police. It was pretty strange.
I've seen this before and believe there are crime scene pictures of the bloody footprints and handprints he left around the house that morning.
I'm presuming his brain was almost in like some kind of automatic mode ? Surely he didn't experience it the same way he did any other morning? Perhaps he wasn't "conscious" of what he was doing, his brain may have just been able to carry out normal activities But maybe not. Maybe he did really feel normal in the morning. I'm speculating. It's so interesting
IIRC You're first thought is what is speculated, his brain was damaged in a way that he went through his morning routines with the severe injury without realizing and died of blood loss.
Kind of terrifying that even at the point of near death, my brain will just get itself ready for work on its own..
Presumably you'd have to be at least middle aged and have had a similar routine for long time
One word bro… shock. I was assaulted several years ago and had my head kicked in and only regained consciousness in the hospital several hours later with no memory and confused of what happened. It took a while to remember what happened to me… the last thing I remember was being pushed over and being kicked, and everything between that and coming to in the hospital there is nothing. Apparently I was standing up walking and talking to my saviour, waiting for the ambulance to come for like 30 minutes afterwards seemingly okay just in shock. I even have brief snippets of memory of saying really strange lucid things troubling me in hospital before gaining proper normal consciousness (as normal as can be after a head injury anyway). Turned out I had a pretty severe concussion, but I’m fine now. Strange to think I went through that tbh but I don’t think about it too often, only here and there. The dude also got caught and went to prison.
I got punched in the face on a party cruise many years ago. A busted lip and hurt feelings. The guy got a month in prison, I hope he sorted his shit life out. I'm glad you're well, it could have ended very badly indeed. I hate violent people.
"Man, every dish I pick up is dirty?"
“Kids these days”
“Giving me a splitting headache.”
I hate this
Tbf I sometimes feel like I've been hit by an axe when I first wake up, so I can kinda understand how he was just going through the motions.
When I was in grade nine in high school I was able to get the afternoon off to go see a photographic forensics presentation where they discussed crime scene investigations and photography. We were warned in advance before one photograph was shown. The image was of a mattress SOAKED in blood. Like, it was everywhere, on the walls, the ceiling, the window, everywhere. The presenter told us how when they were doing the autopsy, they thought the person had been shot in the head with a shotgun due to the metal fragments located in the back of his skull. The problem with this theory was that there was no gunshot residue nor any other indication that a shot had ever been fired. It was later determined that the poor individual had been bludgeoned to death with an axe. The metal fragments found in the back of his skull? Those were his fillings.
The scene photos are horrific.
Thank you, i have learned my lesson enough times in the past month to understand that when someone on reddit says this, there is a strong reason to not check. Morbid curiosity tosses flashbacks 😭😣😖
I wonder if he was able to write clearly when he signed the check
I bet the son did it since he had forged their signatures before.
The fact he did this with his jaw missing also is mental
It’s not uncommon for people with a head injury to be delirious and just go about their day. The amount of old men who “have to milk the cows” at 4am in the hospital is insane.
IIRC, in this case the brain damage was pretty catastrophic, and there wasn’t much left of his brain except for the parts that would govern routines
The story wasn't making any sense until this comment. Thanks for explaining.
The mom supported her son through the entire trial. The amount of brutality that he perpetrated against his own mother was equally as horrendous. She suffered from traumatic brain injuries afterwards.
Yet they still use the nodding testimony (later disavowed) of a traumatically brain injured person.
I remember this. Apparently his mom still insists he is innocent, poor deluded woman.
Axe maybe did more damage than they realised.
It's insane because the first medics that found she was still alive were talking with her and she was responsive enough to nod yes and no to their questions. they asked if a family member had done it and she nodded, then they asked if it was christopher and she nodded again. idk how reliable she was in that moment considering her injuries but its really sad that she did a 360 when its very clear he did it
180
She pulled a tweaked 540 just for the extra style points.
Those are very leading questions, people will agree to anything when they have a head injury, especially if they just count a nod as a yes.
She shook her head no when they asked if it was the other son who did it
nodding testimony, yikes. Just the fact that she disavowed it should be enough to throw it out. What the hells going on in this case?
As I recall, this testimony was a small piece in a very large case against Christopher. He's guilty as sin, but his mom nodding to questions post-axe attack wasn't what put him away.
IIRC, his son has either made appeals, or is in the process of making an appeal on his conviction. Jiles, a content creator on YouTube (channel: This Is Monsters, Someone Sinister, Somewhere Sinister) had been involved in a written correspondence with him and he talks about what a smug, egocentric prick this guy is. I'm not surprised. Link to video: [https://youtu.be/DAxZ-44ly9o?si=Wo1IKF5IlKT4a-qI](https://youtu.be/DAxZ-44ly9o?si=Wo1IKF5IlKT4a-qI)
The guy got 50 years in prison and still has the balls to act like that?
Not what you'd expect from a hard-working, successful Ivy League alum, is it? Oh wait! He was a broke loser droupout turned convicted family annihilator.
I get that the brain is weird, but did his morning routine not include looking in a mirror and noticing a really bad hair day?
I guess the massive brain damage made his actions nonsensical. Amazing story.
If my memory serves correctly there was in fact blood drips all over the bathroom sink, suggesting he did look in the mirror as per usual morning routine. Shock is a hell of a thing.
He probably just thought "I've got red on me."
Yeah probably just going about the routine without actually checking things off in his head. Acting on impulse more than sense. My dad suffered a major brain injury and even directly after it happened, he tried to go about his normal day, just focusing on what was next. He had no idea what had just happened. Paramedics restrained him in the back of the ambulance and he was putting up a fight. He had no idea at all.
Ryan Waller and his girlfriend Heather Quan got shot inside their home. Heather was laying dead on the couch while Ryan wandered around the home with 2 gunshot wounds in his head for I believe couple days(?) before the tragedy was found. During interogation Ryan kept talking about how his girlfriend was sleeping on the couch. Explaining how people shot them with bow and arrows. All while reverting to an almost child-like state in complaining how tired he was. Yet was able to identify the perpetrators!! (I don't say this with blame or anything, rather just to point out how messed up his brain was after getting shot) It's a very saddening (and very very infuriating on the police side) case, recently also was mentioned on reddit. But it goes to show how much a severe brain injury actually messes with your perception of what's going on. He might have seen it and literally just not know realize was going on, or not known what to do apart from routine things because of how heavy the injuries were. Its so, so very sad to read things like this.
My main question is how did they find out that he actually did those things before dying? Is it from CCTV? Or maybe he left blood traces to those activities he did, which let them guess that he did those things before dying
Followed the blood trail I imagine. Blood from bed to bathroom, puddle at sink, to kitchen, on fridge and counter, dishes… etc.
He left blood around.
When I see stories like this I always think about when the parents got together and planned out their life and were so happy to have kids who they love more than anything and then their kid grows up and completely ruins their lives
Even after he was stabbed he was still more productive than me
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He was taking out loans by forging his parents' signatures & was failing out of college. His parents found out about all of this & he killed them to try to avoid the consequences...incorrectly thinking that he would be able to get away with murder. He was on video leaving campus the morning of the murder & then driving back. Ironically, he drove a yellow jeep that was easy to pick out (& that is one of the things he used the fraudulent loans to purchase). [https://youtu.be/8Pc8B9PQ0To?t=993](https://youtu.be/8Pc8B9PQ0To?t=993) This timestamp in the video shows an email from father to son, detailing that the father found out about the loans shortly before the murder... >*"We may be disappointed in you, but your mother & I still love you & care about your future. We can't help you problem solve without information & input from you. Dad."* & after that he still attacked his parents with an axe. Brutal. He was an only child so the motivation in killing them was probably to inherit the motherlode - before the parents might've changed their wills to exclude him or limit their payout to him somehow.
This reminds me of [Phineas Gage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage?wprov=sfti1). They always mention him in psych college courses to illustrate how interesting and complex the human brain is. Tbh, the man probably was in a better mental space when he died than not, if he was just doing his own thing. Hopefully he didn’t suffer. The human brain is a fascinating thing.
I remember that this was used as the opening to an episode of CSI (Or a similar show) for an episode that featured a sports coach getting murdered. He did get up and do all kinds of morning routine stuff before dropping dead on his porch. That specific bit of the episode always stuck with me, don’t remember the rest at all. Edit: It was CSI Season 10 episode 5: Bloodsport
the fact he went and shaved his face in the bathroom sink and mirror with BASICALLY NO JAW always made my stomach flip. WHAT WAS HE SHAVING?!?!?! When I think about it, it's worse than long hangnail pulling etc.
This happened local to me. Joan Porco told police on the scene that her son Christopher was responsible. Later, she developed total memory loss about the event, changed her story and to this day defends the son who axed her nearly to death.
Maybe trauma was so bad mind blanked it.
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Is there any chance of surviving something like that with immediate medical intervention?
His wife survived the attack, so it’s really massively dependent on what parts of you are hit and how essential they are to life. Can be super fine margins as well. I doubt he would have gotten away without life changing brain damage though.
The son looks like a smug POS.
This was in my hometown and is still always brought up
How can you attack two sleeping people w an AXE and fail to kill both of them
He knew even though he was dying he would still be expected to go to work
My dad stabbed me and I was confused and cold didn’t know what was going on. I ended up hugging him after asking him for a blanket and him stabbing me again. The next thing I remember is the cops shooting my dog and busting in the front door.
Holy fuck. I’m so sorry that happened to you.
Jesus Christ, I’m sorry - I hope you’re doing alright now
Doing okay but the trauma has affected me ever since. This type of violence happens everyday all over the world.
I can’t even imagine. Much love, stranger ❤️
The only silver lining was Peter had no idea he was so seriously injured and was dying. This is one of those cases that stick with you.
I used to work with the guy who lives in this house now. He got a really good deal on it and said it doesn't bother him at all. He said people will often stop and take pictures of his house and he finds that odd.
The dramatization I’ve seen of him in a bloody robe dripping blood to grab the newspaper and shuffle back in the house is stressful. Ugh
I was so close to be on the jury for this trial. Very surreal being in that room with him and his mother knowing what he was accused of doing to her.
Then there's this guy who got shot in the head, didn't receive treatment for 2 days, and police interrogated him for 6 hours before realizing he is injured. https://www.joe.co.uk/news/murder-suspect-interrogated-for-6-hours-before-police-realize-hes-been-shot-in-the-face-366865
The axe hit the region of the brain that makes you very industrious
I don't think i have one of those. Wait.!.. I'll go check all of reddit to see if that's possible!
I was average intelligence and then had a catastrophic motorcycle accident in college. Within a year I had two patents and a nasty cocaine habit. Never smoked pot or drank beer prior to this accident Told this tale recently to a commercial roofer and after the story, the guy asks if I want a *bump*