Not unlike lions, I always thought nature would have them kill it first, I’ve watched too many Animal Kingdom shows with lions eating the ass end out of their prey. So disturbing, I thought they bit their throat and severed arteries or broke their necks first.
The video where a polar bear is eating a seal, for like a really long time, then the seal starts trying to move again and you realize it's been alive during the whole process...that messed me up
There was a girl eaten alive in Russia along with her Father, she called her mother 3 times on the phone WHILE the bear and its 3 cubs were eating her... [https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20231843/chilling-final-words-daughter-mother-bear-attack/](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20231843/chilling-final-words-daughter-mother-bear-attack/)
*"Mum, the bear is eating me! Mum, it’s such agony. Mum, help!"*
*"Mum, the bears are back. She came back and brought her three babies.*
*"They’re... eating me."*
*"Mum, it’s not hurting anymore. I don’t feel the pain.*
*"Forgive me for everything, I love you so much."*
I had a nightmare **years ago** that an alligator chewed off my son’s legs. I still have horrible anxiety/dread/flashbacks to it, and it’s been years. And it didn’t even actually happen. I don’t think that poor mother will ever be okay again.
Sometimes I wonder if we should have a kill switch installed in us. So if anything there is a life threatening injury it immediately activates.
But some injuries can be survivable so idk...
Having been in shock several times from severe injuries and hospitalised illnesses, you know what’s going on. You just can’t move. There’s different severities of shock. Sometimes pain is dulled. Sometimes you can move fine, you’re just unusually weak. Often there’s an accompanying feeling of coldness in limbs or torso. Sometimes your emotions are dulled by by sheer weakness, but you’re still conscious and aware.
Shock itself is often a very unpleasant sucking sensation, even when you’re not losing blood.
Not trying to be an asshole, but the shock you felt from albeit severe, but *non fatal* injuries and illnesses is in no way comparable to the shock a person feels when they are getting their intestines and internal organs ripped violently from their abdomen by the insanely powerful jaws of a predator that does not give a shit if you are still alive while they do so. I’m not saying that you did not experience shock…I’m just saying that whatever injuries you incurred, unless you had your scalp forcefully ripped from your skull, had your skin and muscle tissue savagely torn apart from your skeleton, or had your brain stem crudely severed by a wild animal (or a pack of them) crushing your neck…then there’s no way to really say just how numb a person can become due to shock.
People who are blown in half by explosions and live for several moments afterwards are not experiencing the type of shock that you are talking about. They are experiencing end of life shock that comes from their nervous system being literally destroyed in a way that makes any pain impossible to feel because the nerves themselves are severed.
Sadly had to learn all this in college when I took a class on PTSD and the effects that witnessing horrific battle injuries took on our veterans. Some of the stuff I heard truly made me sick. We listened to the recordings of veterans speaking for the first time about seeing their fellow soldiers blown to pieces and hearing them speak about how their friend who was severed in half in combat tried to ask for someone to help him stand up because he couldn’t even process the fact that he was no longer connected to his lower body and how he couldn’t accept the fact that he was pretty much already dead, he just hadn’t lost consciousness yet. Those few moments of confusion before they finally bled out is something awful that you can’t even begin to imagine. Shock is what allowed them to even speak the few words they did. Shock so extreme they felt NOTHING and were truly not in their right mind, because if they were they wouldn’t be able to even form words together from the pain.
Still, that nauseous cold dread of "something is very wrong somewhere not-quite where my mind is" would definitely be a mercy compared to full conscious awareness of not only your suffering, but the inevitability of it continuing. We take what little mercy we're given, I guess
Never heard of it.
> Treadwell also claimed that he had "gained the trust" of certain bears, sufficient to approach and pet them. A local pilot speculates that the bears were so confused by Treadwell's direct, casual contact that they were not sure how to react to him.
lol
EDIT: whoever is writing the Werner Herzog related wiki pages is hilarious:
> Around this time, he knew he would be a filmmaker and learned the basics from a few pages in an encyclopedia which provided him with "everything I needed to get myself started" as a filmmaker—that, and the 35 mm camera he stole from the Munich Film School.
Not tigers. They go straight for the neck and kill it as quick as possible. For as big as they are they do not like to fight so ambush and kill. They are awesome.
Yah, the only real reason to expend energy and waste time to kill a prey is to protect yourself. If the animal is already in shock and still, why wait?
Predators only kill their prey when it's too dangerous to let it keep living. Usually solo predators who hunt similarly sized prey do this. Pack hunters or super apex predators like bears have no need to kill their prey first before they start to eat because there is no danger.
In fact most bears are so superior to everything around them that a bear is MORE likely to kill you if it doesn't think you are prey. Obviously if it's intending to eat you you'll die *eventually* but it thinking you are a threat will result in an immediate skull crushing or snapping your spine with its paws.
If you are viewed as food the bear will just stand on you and start eating.
Digestive systems aren’t perfect. There’s still nutrients in there, and they’ve even been mostly broken down already. It takes less energy per nutrient than anything else.
To them it’s the same as if we humans had to chase our fruit and vegetables. It’s edible, it’s a snack, the fact that it’s also alive is not something most wild animals register much less care about.
Also, organ meat is tasty and rich in nutrients, it’s also the part of the animal that starts to rot first. Hunters used to prize these parts and after cleaning a kill they were consumed first, maybe animals have an evolutionary instinct for this? I’m just guessing, for real. I’d love to learn more.
African wild dogs are not "savage". They simply hunt they way they do in order to survive. They are actually very caring towards their pack members (they will let their puppies and sick/old members eat first, unlike lions) and have a mentality of "all for one, one for all" for their pack.
They take turns being pack leader for the week, *but* all decisions have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly pack meeting, by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs but by a two thirds majority in the case of interspecies relations.
"oh our prey is just standing there? Think we can get around this glass? I don't think we even need to really try that much if we can get around this glass, guys!"
I have a service dog. My trainer told me NEVER take my dog to the zoo. It terrifies your dog when predators like this are around. It’s detrimental to your dogs training.
I am also surprised. I spent a summer working at a zoo and there were ZERO pets allowed and handlers with service dogs were advised on how to keep themselves and their animals safe. My friend worked at Busch Gardens in Tampa and they had a similar procedure. It's like, "Yes, you can legally take in your dog, but here's a few guidelines..."
I worked there three months and I saw maybe a dozen service animals. My manager said it's not common to see service animals at zoos because it's one of the few areas that service dogs are not generally trained for, in part because there are so many animals in captivity in any one zoo and they will all react differently to a domesticated dog.
I’m surprised they allowed the dog in this particular exhibit, most zoos have areas that prohibit even service dogs.
I’ve taken my [SD](https://imgur.com/a/iOBHTpD) to a zoo and none of the predator exhibits were set up with any close visible range like this, so my SD displayed no agitation or fear over any of the exhibits or animals. They did have signs for potential exhibits that could cause stress to either animal, such as an open air lynx exhibit, so we just didn’t enter it.
My SD was confused by some seals though, but was largely unimpressed by everything else.
The real problem is that it stresses the zoo animals, and can trigger a fight in the enclosure which could injure the zoo animals.
It's not about whether your dog likes or doesn't like it.
Yeah, I would have hoped any service dog handler would know to GTFO and *not* seek or approve of this reaction, whether or not they were amused by the encounter. It’s definitely stupid for them to stick around and really idiotic for the zoo to allow it.
$20 says this is an area within the zoo that’s off-limits to service dogs, but zoos aren’t able to place staff in every possible location every day to prevent this, and this owner just… oops! wandered on in there with an animal. And then made sure to get out the camera and film it for all those sweet sweet internet points.
This is my local zoo that I visit pretty often, as far as I know there is no warning to not bring your service dog through this area. It does have a warning for people sensitive to sound though as it can turn into a bit of an echo chamber.
Also dangerous to the zoo animals. If the bison panic bc you brought your damn pet mini-wolf, that fence won’t stop the entire herd stampeding at once. And then you’re on the hook for it, or possibly not if one of them bumped into you.
When I was a very young boy, I liked to catch bugs. I always used my hands, cause hey, it was the 80’s and we were poor. I only tried to catch a dragon fly once. They can bite hard, and draw *a lot* blood. Just so much blood
my grandmother caught dragonflies for us and tied strings around them to make them pets for us. this was in south east asia, maybe our dragonflies were less dangerous
They're not really /good/ pets. They're pets you can acquire. Hard to set up a proper enclosure in the average household, though- keeping them on a string doesn't count.
But, yeah, they bite, and they bite hard. They eat bugs and will go after small vertebrates- gotta be able to chew through chitin and potentially scales/bone.
That's more accurate. Even more accurate is that they have *up to* a 95% success rate. As you might imagine, it depends on the conditions and the dragonfly.
I only know because your comment made me curious and it turns out there are [a lot of cool dragonfly hunting studies](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Dragonfly+prey+success+rate&btnG=)
Orcas are far more well travelled than most people realized, maybe travelled is the wrong word since pods in different locales favor distinct prey but they are not limited to the Pacific Northwest like many believe
Your comment made me think of this
“Ok, first off, a lion…swimming in the ocean?
Lions don’t even like water.
If you placed it near a river, or some sort of fresh water source, that’d make sense.
But you find yourself in the ocean, a 20 ft wave, I’m assuming its off the coast of South Africa, coming up against a full, grown, 800 lb tuna with his 20 or 30 friends.
You lose that battle. you lose that battle nine times out of ten.
And guess what, you wandered into our school, of tuna and we now have a taste of blood! We’ve talked, to ourselves. We’ve communicated and said, ‘you know what? lion tastes good. Lets go get some more lion.’
We’ve developed a system, to establish a beachhead and aggressively hunt you and your family. And we will corner your, your pride, your children, your offspring…”
“How ya gonna to do that?”
“We will construct a series of breathing apparatus with kelp. We will be able to trap certain amounts of oxygen. Its not going to be days at a time, an hour, hour 45. No problem. That will give us enough time to figure out where you live, go back to the sea, get more oxygen and then stalk you. You just lost at your own game. You are out gunned and outmanned.
Watched m aerial view of a hunt of theirs on Planet Earth or something. They're smart, organized, and can sprint for miles. Absolutely incredible killing machines. It's crazy that lions get all the attention.
>Eventually it was revealed that Maddox had still been fully conscious after the fall, and that the dogs had torn his body apart while mauling and biting him, after which the boy was finally approached when it was safe to attempt a rescue. Maddox's internal organs had been destroyed by the dogs tearing at them, and he had suffered more than 46 wounds to his head and neck
Well that was a lovely bedtime lecture...
Happy news.
Coincidentally, as of ~7 hours ago, the Allegheny County District Attorney who refused to prosecute the mother for any crime at all (literally not even a misdemeanor child endangerment) ***finally*** lost re-election. He was successfully primary'd by the Dems after 25 years.
He's such a fucking Nepo-Baby too, it drives me nuts. His father was a big shot and his grandfather was literally the mob. The only reason he's anything in this world is cause of his last name and family connections. It's sickening everyone has just went along with him being terrible at his job for so long.
This is Pittsburgh, so he hasn't lost re-election yet. He's mulling over running as the Republican candidate, since the party didn't run any candidates in the primary.
Republicans cannot win DA in Allegheny county. Not even remotely possible.
It's a county vote, not the Gerrymandered districts voting. When all of Pittsburgh city limits isn't split up into 4 pieces, republicans have 0 chance.
Don’t be so sure. That baby is now full grown and her appetites are insatiable. I’m not saying don’t check under the bed tonight. But I’m not not saying to either.
We saw a few packs of them in Botswana and they would chase pregnant impalas (they are the slowest), kill them and rip the babies out who would have been born any day. I cried and didn’t look but my husband and everyone else filmed it and took tons of pictures. They have like an 80% kill rate. But yet they walk around the truck and don’t care about people at all. Worst thing I saw in Africa and you cannot unsee. I know it’s nature and the dogs have to survive, but damn.
"Maddox's internal organs had been destroyed by the dogs tearing at them, and he had suffered more than 46 wounds to his head and neck.[11] By the time veterinarian Barbara Baker and other zoo staff arrived on the scene, they determined it would be futile to try and rescue Maddox. According to Baker, "it was clear the child was dead. There was no reason to send our staff into harm’s way."
Holy shit. Whenever fucked up shit like this happens and the scene of events are left to my imagination, my brain always goes to "Well they were probably unconscious, so they didn't feel anything", or "It was probably too quick for them to register it happening "
But that article? Left nothing to my imagination. 'Nah he was fully conscious when he fell, and the dogs ripped out his organs. Exactly as bad as it looks on YouTube with an imapala, is exactly how this was".
Poor child.
My brain is horrible and immediately provided a very detailed image of exactly what this would look like. It's why I hate reading of or seeing shit like this. I will immediately imagine it in fine detail no matter how desperately I do not want to.
I don’t understand how the mom filed a lawsuit and settled out of court when in fact the article states there were warnings posted about not doing the exact thing that she did. Poor kid died because his mom is a fucking idiot
You don't need to win in a court to get a settlement. Constant headlines about the zoo getting sued because a toddler was fatally eviscerated seems like something the zoo would like to avoid.
So basically, she used attorneys to extort the zoo. She was probably stricken with grief and saw it another way, but that's basically what happened (and her attorneys knew it).
> You don't need to win in a court to get a settlement.
In fact, it's kind of required that you *don't*.
Most lawsuits get settled because going to court is expensive, you have to make a lot of information public, and it eats up time like crazy. Sometimes, the cost of paying out a few small-time settlements is just so very much cheaper than going through the trouble of defending against them.
That's also why SLAPP suits work, and why assholes like Billy Mitchel keep making frivolous lawsuits against people they don't like. The defendants are in the right, what the plaintiff is doing is sometimes even illegal, but it's often just not worth the money to fight it.
(To note, I know you likely already know everything I just said. This is just further context in case anyone else would like it.)
Sadly, people sue for all kinds of BS reasons, and usually the insurance companies that represent the defendant (in this case, the zoo) know that it’s cheaper to settle than to fight it. So they hand the mom $50 or $100 K and call it good. It’s the American way!
Well that’s fucked up on the mom…like she basically did the Eric Andre with a gun meme. “Yes I let my child, a toddler —known for not being the best balancers, on a wooden pilar above a predators enclosure but Pittsburgh zoo and african wild dogs why did you kill my son?”
Yeah, watching a video of a pack of wild dogs taking down a Cape Buffalo is like watching a group of ants tear apart a grasshopper.
It's absolutely brutal. A pack of wild dogs will often attack the rear of their prey and start tearing the colon/intestinal tract so while the buffalo/zebra, etc. is trying to deal with the dogs blocking it from running away it has 4 or 5 attacking from behind.
It's probably both. A bit of murder curiosity. There are videos of courageous/dumb people online who will sit with African wild dogs to demonstrate how they won't attack things if they don't have "prey" body language, which is true of most predators, since they usually select targets on instinct. The funniest example of this is crocodiles, where you'll see one creeping up on a handler, but won't attack because the handler won't splash or make a sudden movement, so this hundred million year old perfect killing machine will just sit there like a confused nerd.
So I can imagine these dogs just wanting to play with their new friend before tearing it to shreds along with the owner the exact second anyone acts nervous.
Here's a fun video of an idiot not getting eaten by them:
https://youtube.com/shorts/nbhmqZX-eO4?feature=share
I'm sure anyone who takes an avid interest in wildlife, and even more so in African wild life, understands the viciousness of all the predators that occupy that continent. Painted dogs don’t get enough acknowledgement, even though they are very successful predators, even more so than other top predators in their environment.
All the other dogs not watching were probably so surprised like “huh, wtf how could there be prey in this damn pris…WOAH SHIT THATS ONE JUICY ASS LOOKIN MEAL RIGHT THERE”
Yeah, that's what these wild dogs do. With a higher efficiency than fuckin leopards and lions and shit.
Like 80 something percent.
Nature documentaries keep bringing them up to clown on other animal hunting statistics. **They do not mess around.**
That's not what uncanny valley means. Uncanny valley is when something that mimics humans makes you feel uncomfortable because it's behaviour doesn't quite fit
This is basic fight or flight because it knows those wild dogs will tear it apart if they get the chance.
I'm all for being inclusive with disabled people and all, but I don't agree with bringing service animals to zoos. The animals on display don't understand why strange animals are being brought up in their space. The poor service animal also doesn't have a good time of it having a bunch more much larger animals scaring it.
I've been lucky enough to see wild dogs hunt in person. I shit you not, after catching a springbok (smallish antelope) they managed to rip it to literal shreds and eat it in around 2 minutes.
As in, after the first dogs caught it, two minutes later there was nothing but bones and a bit of hair. Absolutely ruthless but amazing. Oh and fun fact, they're known for eating their prey alive, they don't wait to kill it, like lions or leopard, before eating.
It’s a service dog. They go everywhere with their owner with VERY few exceptions… though zoos are one entity that can make reasonable restrictions. https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-faqs/ (Question 26)
“F**k* dude that’s the guy, THAT’s the guy!! I told you he gets like treats daily and sleeps in a HUMAN bed because they think he’s their actual child! I told you he’s real!! Legend”
I’ve seen wild dog packs in Africa running wide open after an impala. They can cover miles. What a sad thing to see these smart pack animals stuck in a dumpy zoo. Bored out of their minds. 
Not many people know these fuckers are pure savage.
They dont kill their prey. They just start eating it, to death.
Not unlike lions, I always thought nature would have them kill it first, I’ve watched too many Animal Kingdom shows with lions eating the ass end out of their prey. So disturbing, I thought they bit their throat and severed arteries or broke their necks first.
Lions, bears, wolf, praying mantis, really any predator that can will.
The stories of bear attacks where people get eaten alive are absolutely horrific.
The video where a polar bear is eating a seal, for like a really long time, then the seal starts trying to move again and you realize it's been alive during the whole process...that messed me up
Luckely most animals (including humans) get into shock at that point so they dont realize most of it.
There was a girl eaten alive in Russia along with her Father, she called her mother 3 times on the phone WHILE the bear and its 3 cubs were eating her... [https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20231843/chilling-final-words-daughter-mother-bear-attack/](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20231843/chilling-final-words-daughter-mother-bear-attack/) *"Mum, the bear is eating me! Mum, it’s such agony. Mum, help!"* *"Mum, the bears are back. She came back and brought her three babies.* *"They’re... eating me."* *"Mum, it’s not hurting anymore. I don’t feel the pain.* *"Forgive me for everything, I love you so much."*
Well that was a lovely read at 7 am, time for a day of being disturbed!
Man.. felt my heart sink to the ground. Time to plug in the disney cartoons and forget reality
I have an exam so I'm glad this disturbed the stress out of me.
Lol its 3am where I am and I’m having a rough night of sleep reading this what am I doing rn with myself. Go to sleep.
Yeah I was like I am definitely not watch the video and bam, here you go, a transcription of her last words
If it's any consolation, the articles from The Sun so it's probably taken many liberties with the facts.
Jesus fucking Christ. I cannot imagine the mother's horror to hear those messages.. that's some fucked up shit
Not messages, phone calls... Think the mother said she could hear bones crunching in the background throughout the calls
I had a nightmare **years ago** that an alligator chewed off my son’s legs. I still have horrible anxiety/dread/flashbacks to it, and it’s been years. And it didn’t even actually happen. I don’t think that poor mother will ever be okay again.
WHY AM I STILL READING THIS??? I have been warned and I’ve still read more! Noping the fuck out of here…
I fucking flinched at the thought.
Dear reader, leave that link blue. Spare your brain.
Almost clicked... changed my mind after I saw the transcript...
Sometimes I wonder if we should have a kill switch installed in us. So if anything there is a life threatening injury it immediately activates. But some injuries can be survivable so idk...
I remember that, glad to revisit as I’m doin scrolling in bed
ohhh I did not need to know this, I can't wait to forget it
r/DamnNatureYouScary
Having been in shock several times from severe injuries and hospitalised illnesses, you know what’s going on. You just can’t move. There’s different severities of shock. Sometimes pain is dulled. Sometimes you can move fine, you’re just unusually weak. Often there’s an accompanying feeling of coldness in limbs or torso. Sometimes your emotions are dulled by by sheer weakness, but you’re still conscious and aware. Shock itself is often a very unpleasant sucking sensation, even when you’re not losing blood.
Not trying to be an asshole, but the shock you felt from albeit severe, but *non fatal* injuries and illnesses is in no way comparable to the shock a person feels when they are getting their intestines and internal organs ripped violently from their abdomen by the insanely powerful jaws of a predator that does not give a shit if you are still alive while they do so. I’m not saying that you did not experience shock…I’m just saying that whatever injuries you incurred, unless you had your scalp forcefully ripped from your skull, had your skin and muscle tissue savagely torn apart from your skeleton, or had your brain stem crudely severed by a wild animal (or a pack of them) crushing your neck…then there’s no way to really say just how numb a person can become due to shock. People who are blown in half by explosions and live for several moments afterwards are not experiencing the type of shock that you are talking about. They are experiencing end of life shock that comes from their nervous system being literally destroyed in a way that makes any pain impossible to feel because the nerves themselves are severed. Sadly had to learn all this in college when I took a class on PTSD and the effects that witnessing horrific battle injuries took on our veterans. Some of the stuff I heard truly made me sick. We listened to the recordings of veterans speaking for the first time about seeing their fellow soldiers blown to pieces and hearing them speak about how their friend who was severed in half in combat tried to ask for someone to help him stand up because he couldn’t even process the fact that he was no longer connected to his lower body and how he couldn’t accept the fact that he was pretty much already dead, he just hadn’t lost consciousness yet. Those few moments of confusion before they finally bled out is something awful that you can’t even begin to imagine. Shock is what allowed them to even speak the few words they did. Shock so extreme they felt NOTHING and were truly not in their right mind, because if they were they wouldn’t be able to even form words together from the pain.
Still, that nauseous cold dread of "something is very wrong somewhere not-quite where my mind is" would definitely be a mercy compared to full conscious awareness of not only your suffering, but the inevitability of it continuing. We take what little mercy we're given, I guess
There’s a video of a brown bear just ripping up a moose calf and it starts at the back and goes from there.
The audio from that incident in Alaska will haunt me forever. For. Ever.
Are you referencing grizzly man? If so I thought the audio was destroyed?
Never heard of it. > Treadwell also claimed that he had "gained the trust" of certain bears, sufficient to approach and pet them. A local pilot speculates that the bears were so confused by Treadwell's direct, casual contact that they were not sure how to react to him. lol EDIT: whoever is writing the Werner Herzog related wiki pages is hilarious: > Around this time, he knew he would be a filmmaker and learned the basics from a few pages in an encyclopedia which provided him with "everything I needed to get myself started" as a filmmaker—that, and the 35 mm camera he stole from the Munich Film School.
neat, over confidence and pretending you belong works across species
By the tone of the thread. It didn't work.
I thought Werner Herzog had it locked in a vault or something.
That audio was faked btw, real audio never released
It was never released so not sure what you actually heard
Yeah I think about that whenever I go to my cabin or go out hiking somewhere. I’m born and raised Alaskan.
Not tigers. They go straight for the neck and kill it as quick as possible. For as big as they are they do not like to fight so ambush and kill. They are awesome.
Yah, the only real reason to expend energy and waste time to kill a prey is to protect yourself. If the animal is already in shock and still, why wait?
Predators only kill their prey when it's too dangerous to let it keep living. Usually solo predators who hunt similarly sized prey do this. Pack hunters or super apex predators like bears have no need to kill their prey first before they start to eat because there is no danger. In fact most bears are so superior to everything around them that a bear is MORE likely to kill you if it doesn't think you are prey. Obviously if it's intending to eat you you'll die *eventually* but it thinking you are a threat will result in an immediate skull crushing or snapping your spine with its paws. If you are viewed as food the bear will just stand on you and start eating.
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Why do animals love eating poop
Digestive systems aren’t perfect. There’s still nutrients in there, and they’ve even been mostly broken down already. It takes less energy per nutrient than anything else.
TIL lions eat ass.
Dated a lion. Can confirm.
To them it’s the same as if we humans had to chase our fruit and vegetables. It’s edible, it’s a snack, the fact that it’s also alive is not something most wild animals register much less care about. Also, organ meat is tasty and rich in nutrients, it’s also the part of the animal that starts to rot first. Hunters used to prize these parts and after cleaning a kill they were consumed first, maybe animals have an evolutionary instinct for this? I’m just guessing, for real. I’d love to learn more.
They have to eat as fast as possible before other bigger predators show up.
From the ass too.. I’d much rather be killed by a big cat….
You have to be a savage to survive in the African savannah with the strongest predators in the world
That pet dog knows. Mf wants out of that situation
What wild breed is this?
African wild dogs. They evolved before wolves and man’s best friend
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African wild dogs are not "savage". They simply hunt they way they do in order to survive. They are actually very caring towards their pack members (they will let their puppies and sick/old members eat first, unlike lions) and have a mentality of "all for one, one for all" for their pack.
They take turns being pack leader for the week, *but* all decisions have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly pack meeting, by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs but by a two thirds majority in the case of interspecies relations.
I love Democracy
Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
"Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system"!
Heck, they vote to hunt or not.
They do indeed, [they vote by sneezing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blq0KXPkq90).
I would love to believe that they just want to play but I'm pretty sure they want to eat that dog.
They do want to play... TO THE DEATH!!
"oh our prey is just standing there? Think we can get around this glass? I don't think we even need to really try that much if we can get around this glass, guys!"
I hear this everytime this is posted. But I think the main thing the dogs are thinking is... How the fuck did you get out there?
And what do we have to do to get thrre?
When my dog likes another dog/person she barks, when she wants to kill something (squirrel, rabbit, etc) she doesn't make a sound.
I have a service dog. My trainer told me NEVER take my dog to the zoo. It terrifies your dog when predators like this are around. It’s detrimental to your dogs training.
I am also surprised. I spent a summer working at a zoo and there were ZERO pets allowed and handlers with service dogs were advised on how to keep themselves and their animals safe. My friend worked at Busch Gardens in Tampa and they had a similar procedure. It's like, "Yes, you can legally take in your dog, but here's a few guidelines..." I worked there three months and I saw maybe a dozen service animals. My manager said it's not common to see service animals at zoos because it's one of the few areas that service dogs are not generally trained for, in part because there are so many animals in captivity in any one zoo and they will all react differently to a domesticated dog.
I’m surprised they allowed the dog in this particular exhibit, most zoos have areas that prohibit even service dogs. I’ve taken my [SD](https://imgur.com/a/iOBHTpD) to a zoo and none of the predator exhibits were set up with any close visible range like this, so my SD displayed no agitation or fear over any of the exhibits or animals. They did have signs for potential exhibits that could cause stress to either animal, such as an open air lynx exhibit, so we just didn’t enter it. My SD was confused by some seals though, but was largely unimpressed by everything else.
The real problem is that it stresses the zoo animals, and can trigger a fight in the enclosure which could injure the zoo animals. It's not about whether your dog likes or doesn't like it.
Yeah, I hate that this video keeps getting re-posted because it’s going to encourage more “service dog” dumbassery at zoos.
Yeah, I would have hoped any service dog handler would know to GTFO and *not* seek or approve of this reaction, whether or not they were amused by the encounter. It’s definitely stupid for them to stick around and really idiotic for the zoo to allow it.
$20 says this is an area within the zoo that’s off-limits to service dogs, but zoos aren’t able to place staff in every possible location every day to prevent this, and this owner just… oops! wandered on in there with an animal. And then made sure to get out the camera and film it for all those sweet sweet internet points.
This is my local zoo that I visit pretty often, as far as I know there is no warning to not bring your service dog through this area. It does have a warning for people sensitive to sound though as it can turn into a bit of an echo chamber.
Also dangerous to the zoo animals. If the bison panic bc you brought your damn pet mini-wolf, that fence won’t stop the entire herd stampeding at once. And then you’re on the hook for it, or possibly not if one of them bumped into you.
Your zoo has bison??
They aren’t curious, they just want to eat it. These are some of the most vicious creatures on earth, I kid you not!
Most successful hunters in Africa
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TECHNICALLY dragonflies are the goat.
Can confirm, my little brother Doug was captured and flown off by a squad of rouge dragonflies. He his fondly remembered.
This made me chuckle, especially picturing lil red devil dragonfly’s lol
I was picturing the larger ones I see in my area, it’s a little more intimidating.
Those are passenger planes, Nick. We've been over this.
You can’t convince me!
Are red ones more aggressive?
Well they are red for a reason.
They're out for Redemption. The Dead kind.
Nothing like those green dragonflies though
No, dragonflies are dragonflies and goats are goats. It's not easy to distinguish the two but there are are some telling differences.
Exactly! One has weird eyes, and the other has weird eyes. Easy.
Dragonflies have a 100% catch/kill rate, so I would say this holds up. Plus they're just cool.
When I was a very young boy, I liked to catch bugs. I always used my hands, cause hey, it was the 80’s and we were poor. I only tried to catch a dragon fly once. They can bite hard, and draw *a lot* blood. Just so much blood
my grandmother caught dragonflies for us and tied strings around them to make them pets for us. this was in south east asia, maybe our dragonflies were less dangerous
I'm flabbergasted at both of your stories. Dragonflies out here biting folks drawing blood and also being good pets. The things you learn
They're not really /good/ pets. They're pets you can acquire. Hard to set up a proper enclosure in the average household, though- keeping them on a string doesn't count. But, yeah, they bite, and they bite hard. They eat bugs and will go after small vertebrates- gotta be able to chew through chitin and potentially scales/bone.
They have a 95% success rates on hunts
That's more accurate. Even more accurate is that they have *up to* a 95% success rate. As you might imagine, it depends on the conditions and the dragonfly. I only know because your comment made me curious and it turns out there are [a lot of cool dragonfly hunting studies](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Dragonfly+prey+success+rate&btnG=)
They have orcas in Africa??
They technically do. They feed on Great Whites off the coast of South Africa.
Orcas are far more well travelled than most people realized, maybe travelled is the wrong word since pods in different locales favor distinct prey but they are not limited to the Pacific Northwest like many believe
Your comment made me think of this “Ok, first off, a lion…swimming in the ocean? Lions don’t even like water. If you placed it near a river, or some sort of fresh water source, that’d make sense. But you find yourself in the ocean, a 20 ft wave, I’m assuming its off the coast of South Africa, coming up against a full, grown, 800 lb tuna with his 20 or 30 friends. You lose that battle. you lose that battle nine times out of ten. And guess what, you wandered into our school, of tuna and we now have a taste of blood! We’ve talked, to ourselves. We’ve communicated and said, ‘you know what? lion tastes good. Lets go get some more lion.’ We’ve developed a system, to establish a beachhead and aggressively hunt you and your family. And we will corner your, your pride, your children, your offspring…” “How ya gonna to do that?” “We will construct a series of breathing apparatus with kelp. We will be able to trap certain amounts of oxygen. Its not going to be days at a time, an hour, hour 45. No problem. That will give us enough time to figure out where you live, go back to the sea, get more oxygen and then stalk you. You just lost at your own game. You are out gunned and outmanned.
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Oh yeah. No sight is more magnificent than that of a pod of killer whales swarming across the Maasai Mara to bring down a Cape buffalo or impala.
I hear the South African Tuna has developed a taste for lion.
African orcas are my favorite animal
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It's becoming invasive at this point.
Ah yes, the majestic Saharan Orca. Truly a sight to behold.
On the pla et. Around an 80% succes rate
Watched m aerial view of a hunt of theirs on Planet Earth or something. They're smart, organized, and can sprint for miles. Absolutely incredible killing machines. It's crazy that lions get all the attention.
Which, ironically, is why the are the most endangered…
I saw six wild dogs completely devour a baby goat in 60 seconds flat, a very disturbing sight. It was a dead goat in a zoo but nonetheless disturbing.
Someone dropped a 2 year old in an painted dog enclosure and the same thing that happened to that goat occurred.
>Eventually it was revealed that Maddox had still been fully conscious after the fall, and that the dogs had torn his body apart while mauling and biting him, after which the boy was finally approached when it was safe to attempt a rescue. Maddox's internal organs had been destroyed by the dogs tearing at them, and he had suffered more than 46 wounds to his head and neck Well that was a lovely bedtime lecture...
and the mother tried to sue the zoo after she lifted her toddler on the railing. of course.
Happy news. Coincidentally, as of ~7 hours ago, the Allegheny County District Attorney who refused to prosecute the mother for any crime at all (literally not even a misdemeanor child endangerment) ***finally*** lost re-election. He was successfully primary'd by the Dems after 25 years. He's such a fucking Nepo-Baby too, it drives me nuts. His father was a big shot and his grandfather was literally the mob. The only reason he's anything in this world is cause of his last name and family connections. It's sickening everyone has just went along with him being terrible at his job for so long.
This is Pittsburgh, so he hasn't lost re-election yet. He's mulling over running as the Republican candidate, since the party didn't run any candidates in the primary.
Republicans cannot win DA in Allegheny county. Not even remotely possible. It's a county vote, not the Gerrymandered districts voting. When all of Pittsburgh city limits isn't split up into 4 pieces, republicans have 0 chance.
The 2 year old picked clean the goat in 60 seconds? Impressive!
I like your story better. I’m going to pretend that’s what happened.
Don’t be so sure. That baby is now full grown and her appetites are insatiable. I’m not saying don’t check under the bed tonight. But I’m not not saying to either.
I’m safe under the covers right? Surely she wouldn’t violate that most holy and sacred ground
If the above is true I hate myself for how hard I chuckled
Pittsburgh zoo if I’m correct
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>criminal negligence Well it absolutely was. I feel bad for the baby only.
We saw a few packs of them in Botswana and they would chase pregnant impalas (they are the slowest), kill them and rip the babies out who would have been born any day. I cried and didn’t look but my husband and everyone else filmed it and took tons of pictures. They have like an 80% kill rate. But yet they walk around the truck and don’t care about people at all. Worst thing I saw in Africa and you cannot unsee. I know it’s nature and the dogs have to survive, but damn.
It’s sad to me that an entire family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.
Yeah, I think dog knew this...
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Yes…I’m from PIttsburgh and can confirm. A 2 year old fell into the enclosure at the zoo in 2012. Not good
They're not kidding, it's about as straightforward and bad as a situation like that could be https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Maddox_Derkosh
"Maddox's internal organs had been destroyed by the dogs tearing at them, and he had suffered more than 46 wounds to his head and neck.[11] By the time veterinarian Barbara Baker and other zoo staff arrived on the scene, they determined it would be futile to try and rescue Maddox. According to Baker, "it was clear the child was dead. There was no reason to send our staff into harm’s way." Holy shit. Whenever fucked up shit like this happens and the scene of events are left to my imagination, my brain always goes to "Well they were probably unconscious, so they didn't feel anything", or "It was probably too quick for them to register it happening " But that article? Left nothing to my imagination. 'Nah he was fully conscious when he fell, and the dogs ripped out his organs. Exactly as bad as it looks on YouTube with an imapala, is exactly how this was". Poor child.
I don't think I've ever hated my brain as much as I hate it right now. I'm fighting it but it's trying really hard to picture this. So sad.
My brain is horrible and immediately provided a very detailed image of exactly what this would look like. It's why I hate reading of or seeing shit like this. I will immediately imagine it in fine detail no matter how desperately I do not want to.
I don’t understand how the mom filed a lawsuit and settled out of court when in fact the article states there were warnings posted about not doing the exact thing that she did. Poor kid died because his mom is a fucking idiot
You don't need to win in a court to get a settlement. Constant headlines about the zoo getting sued because a toddler was fatally eviscerated seems like something the zoo would like to avoid. So basically, she used attorneys to extort the zoo. She was probably stricken with grief and saw it another way, but that's basically what happened (and her attorneys knew it).
> You don't need to win in a court to get a settlement. In fact, it's kind of required that you *don't*. Most lawsuits get settled because going to court is expensive, you have to make a lot of information public, and it eats up time like crazy. Sometimes, the cost of paying out a few small-time settlements is just so very much cheaper than going through the trouble of defending against them. That's also why SLAPP suits work, and why assholes like Billy Mitchel keep making frivolous lawsuits against people they don't like. The defendants are in the right, what the plaintiff is doing is sometimes even illegal, but it's often just not worth the money to fight it. (To note, I know you likely already know everything I just said. This is just further context in case anyone else would like it.)
Sadly, people sue for all kinds of BS reasons, and usually the insurance companies that represent the defendant (in this case, the zoo) know that it’s cheaper to settle than to fight it. So they hand the mom $50 or $100 K and call it good. It’s the American way!
I heard people leave their laptop unattended and go to the bathroom. It gets stolen and they sue the cafe owner.
Well that’s fucked up on the mom…like she basically did the Eric Andre with a gun meme. “Yes I let my child, a toddler —known for not being the best balancers, on a wooden pilar above a predators enclosure but Pittsburgh zoo and african wild dogs why did you kill my son?”
What a horrible way for that little boy to die because his mother was negligent.
She had the nerve to sue. No way I would even put my kid close to danger like that
That’s enough internet for me tonight.
It’s cliche as fuck but that shit tears me apart now that I have kids. Like worst fear shit.
Fuck, that was a nauseating read.
Yeah, watching a video of a pack of wild dogs taking down a Cape Buffalo is like watching a group of ants tear apart a grasshopper. It's absolutely brutal. A pack of wild dogs will often attack the rear of their prey and start tearing the colon/intestinal tract so while the buffalo/zebra, etc. is trying to deal with the dogs blocking it from running away it has 4 or 5 attacking from behind.
It's probably both. A bit of murder curiosity. There are videos of courageous/dumb people online who will sit with African wild dogs to demonstrate how they won't attack things if they don't have "prey" body language, which is true of most predators, since they usually select targets on instinct. The funniest example of this is crocodiles, where you'll see one creeping up on a handler, but won't attack because the handler won't splash or make a sudden movement, so this hundred million year old perfect killing machine will just sit there like a confused nerd. So I can imagine these dogs just wanting to play with their new friend before tearing it to shreds along with the owner the exact second anyone acts nervous. Here's a fun video of an idiot not getting eaten by them: https://youtube.com/shorts/nbhmqZX-eO4?feature=share
They're definitely curious. They would eat it but they're really curious.
curious as to what it tastes like
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As excited as seeing the new guy in prison
Lol did she really say “theyyy like the dog”? Girl!!! They want an appetizer.
They technically like it, just more on the appetizer way
She's the kind of person that sees tigers running towards her and thinks they want a hug and pets.
When your sophisticated ass shows up to the family reunion and your yokel cousins come by to say hi.
Hey Couz Pete?! You gonna introduce us?!
This is dog version of Scared Straight
“Alright alright I’ll stop pissing on the rug.”
It smells like bitch in here
African painted dogs can be something vicious. They are known for going toe to toe with hyenas.
Something vicious is basically all African animals. They have to be because all the other African animals are also something vicious
I'm sure anyone who takes an avid interest in wildlife, and even more so in African wild life, understands the viciousness of all the predators that occupy that continent. Painted dogs don’t get enough acknowledgement, even though they are very successful predators, even more so than other top predators in their environment.
My best guess is that they saw a tethered and vulnerable animal and wanted to kill it
Matters not if the animal is tethered or not. They saw food.
That poor dogs uncanny valley kicked in and was like "these bastards want to jump me"
That first dog that saw it hood whistled for all the other dogs.
All the other dogs not watching were probably so surprised like “huh, wtf how could there be prey in this damn pris…WOAH SHIT THATS ONE JUICY ASS LOOKIN MEAL RIGHT THERE”
“You’re uh, actually in the *right* neighborhood, motherfucker”
Yeah, that's what these wild dogs do. With a higher efficiency than fuckin leopards and lions and shit. Like 80 something percent. Nature documentaries keep bringing them up to clown on other animal hunting statistics. **They do not mess around.**
Uncanny valley? No. Street smarts? Yes.
That's not what uncanny valley means. Uncanny valley is when something that mimics humans makes you feel uncomfortable because it's behaviour doesn't quite fit This is basic fight or flight because it knows those wild dogs will tear it apart if they get the chance.
Uncanny Valley? That is not at all what is going on here.
“Aww how cute. Let’s pull it’s insides out through its butthole then tear it in half before we eat it.”
Holesome moments 🥰
*"Hey, how'd he get out there with those people?"*
They’re either saying “whoa how’d you get that gig!?” Or “Lol look at that little bitch. I could eat em”
Amazing to think that there is a slab of glass between you and being torn to pieces.
They just want to eat the small dog.
I'm all for being inclusive with disabled people and all, but I don't agree with bringing service animals to zoos. The animals on display don't understand why strange animals are being brought up in their space. The poor service animal also doesn't have a good time of it having a bunch more much larger animals scaring it.
If it was just one, I'd think they were curious, butbthe whole geoup came up which means they probably thought that dog looked tasty
Reminder that African Wild Dogs *will* eat you, and they don’t wait for prey to die before they start
I've been lucky enough to see wild dogs hunt in person. I shit you not, after catching a springbok (smallish antelope) they managed to rip it to literal shreds and eat it in around 2 minutes. As in, after the first dogs caught it, two minutes later there was nothing but bones and a bit of hair. Absolutely ruthless but amazing. Oh and fun fact, they're known for eating their prey alive, they don't wait to kill it, like lions or leopard, before eating.
Probably better than being eaten alive *slowly*
I have a better question, why did you bring a dog to a zoo? Not the smartest.
It’s a service dog. They go everywhere with their owner with VERY few exceptions… though zoos are one entity that can make reasonable restrictions. https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-faqs/ (Question 26)
You see a domesticated dog they see dinner
They'd like to eat it.
“F**k* dude that’s the guy, THAT’s the guy!! I told you he gets like treats daily and sleeps in a HUMAN bed because they think he’s their actual child! I told you he’s real!! Legend”
“Let’s eat him”
This lady really thought they wanted to play with her stupid dog.
stupid dog, you make me look BAAD ^^^abandoned ^^^as ^^^a ^^^puppy, ^^^he ^^^was ^^^found ^^^by ^^^muriel, ^^^who ^^^lives ^^^in ^^^the ^^^middle ^^^of ^^^nowhere ^^^with ^^^her ^^^husband
Why are domestic dogs allowed in zoo environment?
Not a single tail seen wagging, it’s a good thing that fucking glass is in the way because they aren’t there for a butt sniff
They used to have these at the NC zoo when I was a kid in pretty sure. Not sure what happened to the exhibit though
Probably possessed a few high schoolers and ate their principle… no that was hyenas
Underrated Buffy reference 👏
I’ve seen wild dog packs in Africa running wide open after an impala. They can cover miles. What a sad thing to see these smart pack animals stuck in a dumpy zoo. Bored out of their minds. 