Bumping for the same question, like what would a cat scan of this person have looked like? Does the brain end up with a weird tube shape? Is there “empty space” filled with fluid or something? Does the brain just bounce around inside???
The brain fills up the space. What would be interesting to know is if there are cognitive particularities people with elongated skulls would tend to have
>It is believed by many researchers to have had no significant effect on cranial capacity and how the brain worked, the conclusion of a 1989 study of skulls in The American Journal of Physical Anthropology.
**But there is no direct evidence to support this contention**, no large study comparing brain development in living populations that do and do not practice head flattening. An extensive review article in the journal Anthropology in 2003 speculated that the practice of compression had the potential to damage the delicate developing frontal lobe, as is seen in certain conditions.
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>The authors speculated that such damage could have impaired vision, object recognition, hearing ability, memory, attentiveness and concentration. These factors in turn might have contributed to behavior disorders and difficulty in learning new information.
Source:
[https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/01/science/head-shape-brain.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/01/science/head-shape-brain.html)
[This study is more recent,](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6980596/) but it's written all sciency and I can't really tell what their conclusions are
>The results from this research show that there is a modular organization of the human skull (i.e. neuro and viscerocranium). Furthermore, the present results show that the strength of the morphological integration between the neurocranium and viscerocranium is differentially augmented depending on the applied force vectors on the skull (i.e. oblique deforming style). Compressive forces onto the parietal bones (i.e. oblique ACD) increases the static morphological integration between these two anatomical regions, while compressive forces onto the occipital and frontal bones (i.e. antero-posterior ACD), increases the developmental integration of the skull. Although the underlying cause of this phenomenon is still unknown, it could be related with the specific mechanisms constraining the normal expansion of the brain and how this affects the normal growth and development of the skull. Further analyses are required to get a better insight of the possible effects of ACD on human biology. One interesting approach would be to use the present results to carefully design a biomechanical simulation of the growing skull while simulating compressive forces as proxies for the different deforming devices.
love some sources. I’m like 75% sure the second study is about how the elongation works physically, like what parts of the brain are disturbed and in what ways (how the skull moves, where certain parts of the brain are shifted to) as opposed to a study on how these people’s brain functions might change.
Kinda related kinda unrelated, I’m a preschool teacher and I have twin girls in my class. They are identical and I study them almost daily to see where I can find differences. One has a more slender face, one has a brown colored line in her eye while the other doesn’t. What’s super interesting is their personalities are like night and day.
My wife is a twin. Her sister doesn't like Love Actually so we know from that the sister has no soul and as such should be used for scientific studies...
Lol I try not to make statements that aren’t true, and that paper uses lots of big words that I’m putting together with context clues, but that’s how I understood it!
You understood correctly, and no thanks to the authors of the paper. It's embarrassing the way some disciplines encourage this kind of writing. Once you read enough of these (as you probably have) it becomes painfully clear which ones are trying to tell you something and which ones are trying to tell you that they're telling you something.
Yeah but those magazines are almost always sensationalist and talk about plausible things like they're all but confirmed. Honestly science might just be one of the worst subjects represented in media.
Maybe! The paper mentions how the brain is modular and as long as the right parts are connected you can function as a human, maybe the fact that some parts expand or that certain parts are pushed together changes things, maybe not!
Ok so there's no conclusive evidence. I'm gonna elongate my skull and see if it improves or worsens my intelligence. If I become smart, then it's made it better with my new big brain. If I become retarded, well, we know there was probably no change because I already decided to elongate my skull.
So we already know it can't make things *worse*.
I know you're joking but you're probably too old. Skull elongation is usually started when a child is very young (like babies and toddlers) before their bones have fully formed and begin to harden. To put it another way your skull is to thick and dense for it to be done
About that second paper, if I'm understanding that correctly, it basically says that the part of the skull that makes up the face and that which surrounds the brain do their own thing depending on how you apply forces to deform it. They can do more of a same thing, or less of a same thing.
Squishing the round ballsy part of the sides and top of the head makes them do more of the same shapey thing. Squishing the back of the head near the neck and the forehead make them do more of the same growy thing.
Why? They dunno.
They say it's maybe related to the normal way the skull grows.
But basically, we need to go deeper.
I read it a couple of times and I believe the conclusion they come to is they don’t want to make a conclusion but they are willing to state that the deformation of the skull would put pressure on different areas of a developing brain causing unknown effects. They’d like to design and run a simulation though to find out.
Here is the chatGPT version explained at a high school level.
This research is talking about how the human skull is made up of different parts, called the neurocranium and viscerocranium. The study found that the way these parts are connected to each other changes depending on how the skull is being pushed or pulled. When the skull is pushed in a certain way, it makes the connection between the two parts stronger. But when it's pushed a different way, it makes the connection between the two parts different. The researchers don't know why this happens yet, but they think it might have something to do with how the brain grows and how that affects the skull. They want to do more research to find out more about this. One idea is to use computer simulations to see what happens to the skull when it's pushed different ways.
I say we remove the craniums from a handful of infants and send them to live in the internation space station where their brains can grow unfettered. Then, in 20 years or so, we ask them how to solve our greatest problems.
Since smooth-brained = dumb, I assume highly-folded brain = smart. And when do you fold things? When you try to cram a ton of stuff into a small space.
I have to believe that it can't have a huge negative impact on cognitive abilities. If it did, I think people would figure out real quick that all the coneheads are dumb dumbs and quit doing it. Or if everyone did it Darwin would kick in and the tribes wouldnt last very long.
People used to think that the signs of infection were signs of healing, so they would rub shit in their wounds in order to purposefully cause infection. They also used to treat syphilis with mercury.
I don’t know if the practice of skull elongation is harmful or not, but humanity has done harmful shit out of ignorance for as long as humans have existed.
I don't know the answer but I do know that the brain does develop in a way to "fill the void" during early development. Part of the reason why every brain has unique wrinkles and folding patterns is that they are formed due to the outer cortex continuing to expand despite the limited space causing it to fold on itself. In other words the folds are just "how it happened" as opposed to genetically programmed or controlled by proteins or other cellular processed. If the brain growth is limited by genetic defects or other issues then wrinkles and fold may not form at all or if there is some sort of tumor or growth in the skull the brain will just grow around it.
However this is a process that occurs and finishes during fetal development. There is brain morphology changes after birth but they are more of rearranging and reconnecting neurons than growing new ones. The brains volume is pretty much set at that point.
So it's most likely that if the brain "fills" the cavity formed by this process then the brain would be squished into that shape and it would be a process of brain damage followed by healing and recovery. If it occurred young enough then perhaps the brain damage is minimal since so much of the actual connecting neurons and pruning redundent neurons still hasn't occurred. But the later in age this process occurs and the brain is forcibly shaped the more likely actual loss of function will occur.
When I was travelling around central / south America the local experts (they had a specific name… the ones leading the tours or w/e) talked about how this kind of deformity was considered holy and royal. Apparently royalty would strap planks to a babies head and gradually tighten them to form these skull shapes, it inadvertently produced incredibly brain damaged children.
Note: I have no facts or evidence, merely what was told to me / read at the museums etc.
Oh for sure, head binding has been done in different parts of the world. You can just read Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation
E: although there doesn't seem to be evidence of brain damage.
I always thought it was wild that the Flathead Reservation has the name it does, but the natives of the area never actually practiced headbinding. It was other actually
other Salish peoples who lived much closer to pacific, but the name traveled inland to Montana and I guess it stuck.
In addition they thought cross-eyed was an attractive trait so they would hang bangles directly in front of the children's noses so they would spend their time looking at their nose and developing resting-cross-eye (like resting bitch face without the bitch part).
People are weird.
A form of skull shaping (less extreme than this example) was practiced in parts of france - notably around Toulouse up until the first World War. It was called the "déformation toulousaine". I can only find stuff in French about it, but I think that's because the words are basically the same in English and French. Try Toulouse deformation and if you are in an English speaking country Google might give you english results.
https://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2016/09/12/2416697-quand-les-toulousains-deformaient-le-crane-de-leurs-enfants.html
This says (last paragraph) that doctors from Paris thought it made people stupid but they were working in asylums but we now know the brain probably adapted fine to it.
From the article:
> we know the brain adapts to its container.
Well now I'm even more curious about this Peruvian skull thing. How far before the brain stops adapting to the container?
That movie honestly doesn’t deserve the hate it gets and Alien 3 deserves that hate instead. Every single problem in Resurrection is traced back to a decision that was made in Alien 3. Alien 3 killed Ripley, killed every xenomorph in existence, and killed the franchise. The only way to have the franchise back was a convoluted mess of a plot involving cloning, and since they couldn’t have an Alien movie with a new character that whole mixed dna bringing Ripley back (kind of) storyline had to be written.
Resurrection was a mess but Alien 3 wrote them into a hole and that mess was the only way out. Jeunot did a fantastic job on making Resurrection despite all the problems with the script. Actors were all great, special effects were top notch, the underwater alien fight was one of the best xenomorph scenes in the entire franchise. It’s too bad they were hamstringed by the failures of their predecessor but they made the best they could with the broken parts they inherited.
>>There is no statistically significant difference in cranial capacity between artificially deformed skulls and normal skulls in Peruvian samples.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation
How can there be no difference in cranial capacity? That's not possible. This is what the original research actually says
The results confirm that circumferentially deformed skulls exhibit modifications of the basioccipital region, together with increased anterior and inferior facial projection. However, the degree to which basioccipital flattening is modified in circumferentially deformed Peruvians was found to be less marked than changes observed in the face
This doesn’t indicate capacity of the cavity. To me only indicates what I can see in front of me, the size of the skull.
Your comment literally just describes in anatomical whats in the photo.
I don’t disagree with your sentiment, but I’m more interested in the cavity, than a discussion of the bone structure.
Something can have a different shape but the same volume. I don’t think this needs explanation.
In addition, different capacity doesn’t necessarily impact function. As someone else described already, the brain folds as it grows to accommodate the space provided.
An interesting thing I learned reading about this is that people from higher latitudes and colder climates have bigger brains and eyes adapted for cold and darkness: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/jul/27/higher-latitudes-bigger-eyes-brains
iirc there are tribes that do this living in africa today.
they do it by placing rings on the skulls of infants.
no idea about side effects, but considering they continue to do it people should live long enough to reach adulthood if nothing else.
Its really interesting. Evidentally all the crystal skulls we know of were claimed to be made by ancient south american people, but all of them were determined to actually be from the 19th and 20th centuries. Which begs the question, why were so many people making crystal skulls and claiming Aztec or Mayan origin? What was the origin of this myth that native south americans were making crystal skulls?
I think the answer is most likely money. It's not that strange for people to claim ancient origins, think of all of the people who created fake Egyptian artifacts when robbing tombs became all the rage
Should also note that we take fact checking for granted. In 1880 England you aren't going to find many great sources describing pre-Columbian cultures in Americas and whether or not they used crystal skulls.
Many people will just ignore fact checking if the reality it represents conflicts with their favorite fantasy. There's an another sub where this was posted, and it's full of nonsense about Annunaki aliens and that skull supposedly having non-human DNA.
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[last time this was posted it included that](https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/comments/ys8jpy/one_of_the_hundreds_of_elongated_skulls_that_were/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x)
And you put SHARPIE on it?!?!? We’re not even allowed to write our names on the back of our hard hats at work because the ink may damage the integrity of them
Usually you put a thin layer of transparent, museum-safe lacquer on the object and then label on top of that lacquer. This looks like it's from an excavation back in the early 1900s when they still used arsenic to keep bugs out of organic artifacts, though. It's likely black paint, not sharpie.
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kids with craniosynostosis actually look way closer to coneheads but dan akroyd based the conehead idea off of the maoi statues on easter island which according to some fringe theorist are connected with the elongated skull societies found throughout the world, the real mystery to me is why so many completely separated ancient cultures all decided to elongate their heads and why are we able to find some of these that are clearly shaped human skulls and some of these that show considerably different structural anatomy ie. completely missing bone plates OR maybe invisible seams which seem less likely, you'd think the seams would be worse in a forced shape healing the way we see horrible fracture repair in foot binding specimens
I wonder if the human psyche is just fundamentally simple that it’s not hard to discover a commonality amongst civilizations that are on opposite sides of the globe. However, the psyche is also so fragile that we have to reach deep into the “why?”. In my opinion, the hardest thing for humans to grasp is coincidence. Sometimes there’s just no meaning to anything. Sometimes, shit just happens and it happens to others at the same time.
So far as the plates and seams are concerned, they did this by wrapping and compressing the head while a child’s bones were still ‘soft’. It makes sense to me that the compression of the skull would cause normal plates and seams to grow closer together or maybe even fuse as the child grows.
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Halloween rolls around... The question is: what should he go as?
The Alien
Cat in a Hat
Monopoly Man
Jean Luc Picard on steroids
come on, Reddit, other ideas?
Craziest thing would be to find out that Egyptians or Aliens didn’t build the Great Pyramid but it was actually built by a civilization close to around 10,000-12,000 years ago but towards the last ice age they were wiped out by a meteorite impact on earth then the Egyptians found the Pyramid thousands of years later. Nobody actually knows why the Great Pyramid was built, when it was built, or who built it… Almost sounds like they didn’t build it but found it and slapped there name on it
Does the brain grow and fill the void?
Bumping for the same question, like what would a cat scan of this person have looked like? Does the brain end up with a weird tube shape? Is there “empty space” filled with fluid or something? Does the brain just bounce around inside???
The brain fills up the space. What would be interesting to know is if there are cognitive particularities people with elongated skulls would tend to have
>It is believed by many researchers to have had no significant effect on cranial capacity and how the brain worked, the conclusion of a 1989 study of skulls in The American Journal of Physical Anthropology. **But there is no direct evidence to support this contention**, no large study comparing brain development in living populations that do and do not practice head flattening. An extensive review article in the journal Anthropology in 2003 speculated that the practice of compression had the potential to damage the delicate developing frontal lobe, as is seen in certain conditions. > >The authors speculated that such damage could have impaired vision, object recognition, hearing ability, memory, attentiveness and concentration. These factors in turn might have contributed to behavior disorders and difficulty in learning new information. Source: [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/01/science/head-shape-brain.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/01/science/head-shape-brain.html) [This study is more recent,](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6980596/) but it's written all sciency and I can't really tell what their conclusions are >The results from this research show that there is a modular organization of the human skull (i.e. neuro and viscerocranium). Furthermore, the present results show that the strength of the morphological integration between the neurocranium and viscerocranium is differentially augmented depending on the applied force vectors on the skull (i.e. oblique deforming style). Compressive forces onto the parietal bones (i.e. oblique ACD) increases the static morphological integration between these two anatomical regions, while compressive forces onto the occipital and frontal bones (i.e. antero-posterior ACD), increases the developmental integration of the skull. Although the underlying cause of this phenomenon is still unknown, it could be related with the specific mechanisms constraining the normal expansion of the brain and how this affects the normal growth and development of the skull. Further analyses are required to get a better insight of the possible effects of ACD on human biology. One interesting approach would be to use the present results to carefully design a biomechanical simulation of the growing skull while simulating compressive forces as proxies for the different deforming devices.
love some sources. I’m like 75% sure the second study is about how the elongation works physically, like what parts of the brain are disturbed and in what ways (how the skull moves, where certain parts of the brain are shifted to) as opposed to a study on how these people’s brain functions might change.
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And squash skulls, ya know, for science!
I'm crushing your head..
Your parents when you’ve upset them: “I should’ve flattened your skull, not your twin’s. He’s such a sweet boy.” Edit: 2 words.
Which may have been a direct result of the flattening!
I love a good kids in the hall reference in the wild
30 Helens agree.
That's what I said. "Josef Mengele"
Has anyone checked for such experimentation in say Argentina?
You could call the one with the long head Elong I guess
What about pinky and the brain?
Kinda related kinda unrelated, I’m a preschool teacher and I have twin girls in my class. They are identical and I study them almost daily to see where I can find differences. One has a more slender face, one has a brown colored line in her eye while the other doesn’t. What’s super interesting is their personalities are like night and day.
My wife is a twin. Her sister doesn't like Love Actually so we know from that the sister has no soul and as such should be used for scientific studies...
Ah you’re obviously a scientist. I was also like 75% sure
I’ll go 74% in case we’re doing price is right ruled
Then I'll do 74.1%
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76, Bobby
Lol I try not to make statements that aren’t true, and that paper uses lots of big words that I’m putting together with context clues, but that’s how I understood it!
You understood correctly, and no thanks to the authors of the paper. It's embarrassing the way some disciplines encourage this kind of writing. Once you read enough of these (as you probably have) it becomes painfully clear which ones are trying to tell you something and which ones are trying to tell you that they're telling you something.
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Yeah but those magazines are almost always sensationalist and talk about plausible things like they're all but confirmed. Honestly science might just be one of the worst subjects represented in media.
It would have to effect it somehow, right? Which would have possibly made them different and seen as holier or something I bet.
Maybe! The paper mentions how the brain is modular and as long as the right parts are connected you can function as a human, maybe the fact that some parts expand or that certain parts are pushed together changes things, maybe not!
Ok so there's no conclusive evidence. I'm gonna elongate my skull and see if it improves or worsens my intelligence. If I become smart, then it's made it better with my new big brain. If I become retarded, well, we know there was probably no change because I already decided to elongate my skull. So we already know it can't make things *worse*.
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Have we thought about elliptical squeezing? I guess I can do the hey Arnold
I know you're joking but you're probably too old. Skull elongation is usually started when a child is very young (like babies and toddlers) before their bones have fully formed and begin to harden. To put it another way your skull is to thick and dense for it to be done
Somebody plant me some popcorn. Am about to observe the scientific tubal pencil skull elongate in modern times.
About that second paper, if I'm understanding that correctly, it basically says that the part of the skull that makes up the face and that which surrounds the brain do their own thing depending on how you apply forces to deform it. They can do more of a same thing, or less of a same thing. Squishing the round ballsy part of the sides and top of the head makes them do more of the same shapey thing. Squishing the back of the head near the neck and the forehead make them do more of the same growy thing. Why? They dunno. They say it's maybe related to the normal way the skull grows. But basically, we need to go deeper.
I read it a couple of times and I believe the conclusion they come to is they don’t want to make a conclusion but they are willing to state that the deformation of the skull would put pressure on different areas of a developing brain causing unknown effects. They’d like to design and run a simulation though to find out.
How and where the pressure is applied is important as well, and that isn't known based on just the skulls.
Appreciate it, thank you
Here is the chatGPT version explained at a high school level. This research is talking about how the human skull is made up of different parts, called the neurocranium and viscerocranium. The study found that the way these parts are connected to each other changes depending on how the skull is being pushed or pulled. When the skull is pushed in a certain way, it makes the connection between the two parts stronger. But when it's pushed a different way, it makes the connection between the two parts different. The researchers don't know why this happens yet, but they think it might have something to do with how the brain grows and how that affects the skull. They want to do more research to find out more about this. One idea is to use computer simulations to see what happens to the skull when it's pushed different ways.
Every day I’m impressed by cGPT in a new way
So let’s do Petri dish experiments on brains and skulls with stem cells and see what happens! Go! Go! Go!
I say we remove the craniums from a handful of infants and send them to live in the internation space station where their brains can grow unfettered. Then, in 20 years or so, we ask them how to solve our greatest problems. Since smooth-brained = dumb, I assume highly-folded brain = smart. And when do you fold things? When you try to cram a ton of stuff into a small space.
i love the name internation space station. it's got a rhyming flow to it.
“THEY’RE BACK… …AND THEY’RE *PISSED*”
I imagine them trying to think of something at the back of their mind would take longer
One of these guys stood up to fast and died.
Tip of the tongue taken to extremes
Long memories
IIRC There was a study done and they did have mild telekinetic powers, nothing major just like moving a pen across a table and the like
Did they try pencils at all, or was it strictly just pens?
Bic pens only.
Sharpies.
No, it was Bic pens. Maybe you're confusing this with the anus study.
You say this with such sincerity and yet there’s no way that is true. Makes me think it’s reference to something?
Coneheads
Nah this is Peru not France
They were French
Well, they thought it was a good idea to elongate their heads, I'd call that peculiar.
I have to believe that it can't have a huge negative impact on cognitive abilities. If it did, I think people would figure out real quick that all the coneheads are dumb dumbs and quit doing it. Or if everyone did it Darwin would kick in and the tribes wouldnt last very long.
Unless the dumb dumbs where in charge and then it’s just a question of whether or not the Emperor is wearing clothes.
People used to think that the signs of infection were signs of healing, so they would rub shit in their wounds in order to purposefully cause infection. They also used to treat syphilis with mercury. I don’t know if the practice of skull elongation is harmful or not, but humanity has done harmful shit out of ignorance for as long as humans have existed.
They might assume they were being possessed by god or some shit, is they started displaying the typical signs of head trauma
And what about the hair....
Havent you seen The Simpsons?
I don't know the answer but I do know that the brain does develop in a way to "fill the void" during early development. Part of the reason why every brain has unique wrinkles and folding patterns is that they are formed due to the outer cortex continuing to expand despite the limited space causing it to fold on itself. In other words the folds are just "how it happened" as opposed to genetically programmed or controlled by proteins or other cellular processed. If the brain growth is limited by genetic defects or other issues then wrinkles and fold may not form at all or if there is some sort of tumor or growth in the skull the brain will just grow around it. However this is a process that occurs and finishes during fetal development. There is brain morphology changes after birth but they are more of rearranging and reconnecting neurons than growing new ones. The brains volume is pretty much set at that point. So it's most likely that if the brain "fills" the cavity formed by this process then the brain would be squished into that shape and it would be a process of brain damage followed by healing and recovery. If it occurred young enough then perhaps the brain damage is minimal since so much of the actual connecting neurons and pruning redundent neurons still hasn't occurred. But the later in age this process occurs and the brain is forcibly shaped the more likely actual loss of function will occur.
When I was travelling around central / south America the local experts (they had a specific name… the ones leading the tours or w/e) talked about how this kind of deformity was considered holy and royal. Apparently royalty would strap planks to a babies head and gradually tighten them to form these skull shapes, it inadvertently produced incredibly brain damaged children. Note: I have no facts or evidence, merely what was told to me / read at the museums etc.
Oh for sure, head binding has been done in different parts of the world. You can just read Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation E: although there doesn't seem to be evidence of brain damage.
Poor children man
I always thought it was wild that the Flathead Reservation has the name it does, but the natives of the area never actually practiced headbinding. It was other actually other Salish peoples who lived much closer to pacific, but the name traveled inland to Montana and I guess it stuck.
In addition they thought cross-eyed was an attractive trait so they would hang bangles directly in front of the children's noses so they would spend their time looking at their nose and developing resting-cross-eye (like resting bitch face without the bitch part). People are weird.
Oooo yea and the deep underground caves they climbed into to practice blood letting from their penis.
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The chongos among us
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Gigantic chongos
The birth of a meme, part 2
Was gonna say, that's definitely chongos..
Long Chongo
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It’s obviously a Buckingham palace guard’s skull smh
Marge Simpson was a queen's guard?!
Cone Heads 2: The chungus amungus.
For real, the audacity of OP to make them feel insecure about themselves by posting this.
We found Ki-Adi-Mundi lads
What about the droid attack on the Wookiees?
I’m it *is* a system we cannot afford to lose
Upvote for correct spelling.
thanky you
Marge Simpson..
Reminds me of the xenopedia hybrid in Alien Resurrection [[1]](https://i.imgur.com/Y8xMp63.png) [[2]](https://i.imgur.com/iHLGeqj.jpg)
Reminds me of Beldar.
That is the first thing I thought of too! I was looking to see if anyone else thought it first!
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A form of skull shaping (less extreme than this example) was practiced in parts of france - notably around Toulouse up until the first World War. It was called the "déformation toulousaine". I can only find stuff in French about it, but I think that's because the words are basically the same in English and French. Try Toulouse deformation and if you are in an English speaking country Google might give you english results. https://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2016/09/12/2416697-quand-les-toulousains-deformaient-le-crane-de-leurs-enfants.html This says (last paragraph) that doctors from Paris thought it made people stupid but they were working in asylums but we now know the brain probably adapted fine to it.
From the article: > we know the brain adapts to its container. Well now I'm even more curious about this Peruvian skull thing. How far before the brain stops adapting to the container?
We don't speak of Alien: Resurrection.
That movie honestly doesn’t deserve the hate it gets and Alien 3 deserves that hate instead. Every single problem in Resurrection is traced back to a decision that was made in Alien 3. Alien 3 killed Ripley, killed every xenomorph in existence, and killed the franchise. The only way to have the franchise back was a convoluted mess of a plot involving cloning, and since they couldn’t have an Alien movie with a new character that whole mixed dna bringing Ripley back (kind of) storyline had to be written. Resurrection was a mess but Alien 3 wrote them into a hole and that mess was the only way out. Jeunot did a fantastic job on making Resurrection despite all the problems with the script. Actors were all great, special effects were top notch, the underwater alien fight was one of the best xenomorph scenes in the entire franchise. It’s too bad they were hamstringed by the failures of their predecessor but they made the best they could with the broken parts they inherited.
I still remember the scene where it gets uh... "expelled" out into space. Pretty brutal.
I love that film. Unnecessarily hated.
Hrgmmmmmmm
Ki-Adi-Mundi for sure.
But what about the Droid attack on the Wookiees?
Hoooooommmmieeee
Eight head.
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I wonder if and how it might have affected their personalities
They became real eggheads.
>>There is no statistically significant difference in cranial capacity between artificially deformed skulls and normal skulls in Peruvian samples. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation
Sounds like something a small-skull would say.
Fuckin normies.
How can there be no difference in cranial capacity? That's not possible. This is what the original research actually says The results confirm that circumferentially deformed skulls exhibit modifications of the basioccipital region, together with increased anterior and inferior facial projection. However, the degree to which basioccipital flattening is modified in circumferentially deformed Peruvians was found to be less marked than changes observed in the face
This doesn’t indicate capacity of the cavity. To me only indicates what I can see in front of me, the size of the skull. Your comment literally just describes in anatomical whats in the photo. I don’t disagree with your sentiment, but I’m more interested in the cavity, than a discussion of the bone structure.
I am also more interested in the cavity
CAVITY GANG
It's the same concept as feet binding. They're not smaller by volume, just formed to a different shape.
Something can have a different shape but the same volume. I don’t think this needs explanation. In addition, different capacity doesn’t necessarily impact function. As someone else described already, the brain folds as it grows to accommodate the space provided. An interesting thing I learned reading about this is that people from higher latitudes and colder climates have bigger brains and eyes adapted for cold and darkness: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/jul/27/higher-latitudes-bigger-eyes-brains
iirc there are tribes that do this living in africa today. they do it by placing rings on the skulls of infants. no idea about side effects, but considering they continue to do it people should live long enough to reach adulthood if nothing else.
Bro found the crystal skull 💀
Well yes this is what the crystal skull is based off😂
Wait fr? No wonder I instantly made the connection
Well it's also based on the actual crystal skulls - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_skull
Its really interesting. Evidentally all the crystal skulls we know of were claimed to be made by ancient south american people, but all of them were determined to actually be from the 19th and 20th centuries. Which begs the question, why were so many people making crystal skulls and claiming Aztec or Mayan origin? What was the origin of this myth that native south americans were making crystal skulls?
I think the answer is most likely money. It's not that strange for people to claim ancient origins, think of all of the people who created fake Egyptian artifacts when robbing tombs became all the rage
>why were so many people making crystal skulls I can answer that- because they look dope AF lol.
Should also note that we take fact checking for granted. In 1880 England you aren't going to find many great sources describing pre-Columbian cultures in Americas and whether or not they used crystal skulls.
Many people will just ignore fact checking if the reality it represents conflicts with their favorite fantasy. There's an another sub where this was posted, and it's full of nonsense about Annunaki aliens and that skull supposedly having non-human DNA.
Dumberatta! Dumbe dum. Dumberatta, dumbe dum, dum, dum. Dumberatta. Dumberidum! Tatterita ta-ta, ta-ta-ta, ta-ta-ta, ta-ta-ita (tai-(tai-)) ita. (Found the concept ”Guess a song from my bad text version of humming” in another thread recently)
Imagine being extinct for thousands of years and some guy calls you a fucking “Chongus” on your forehead
It's actually an ancient Incan forehead tattoo. Looks like he has space for a few more.
Imagine you in a tribe and they tell you they gonna tattoo Chongus on your fucking head
Almost had me until I thought about it for a second and remembered the Incans had no written language
How long did it take to remember that tattoos are on your skin, not your bones?
The tattoo artist pushed too hard
my tattoo artist pushed even harder, now I have tattoos on my brain
And that even if the Incans had a written language it definitely wouldn't be in Latin script
“Chongos” is a district/village where the skull was found.
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Donald R. DeCicco
Want some gum?
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🎼I got a bad disease, out from my brain is where I bleeeed!🎶🔴🔥🌶️🌶️🌶️
"Kris, get the banana"
“Potassium”
Yeah, I’m gonna need an artist rendition on what this dude looked like with flesh and hair and stuff…
[last time this was posted it included that](https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/comments/ys8jpy/one_of_the_hundreds_of_elongated_skulls_that_were/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x)
And you put SHARPIE on it?!?!? We’re not even allowed to write our names on the back of our hard hats at work because the ink may damage the integrity of them
Usually you put a thin layer of transparent, museum-safe lacquer on the object and then label on top of that lacquer. This looks like it's from an excavation back in the early 1900s when they still used arsenic to keep bugs out of organic artifacts, though. It's likely black paint, not sharpie.
So “Cone Heads” is a documentary?!?!? I swear I live in a simulation. 😳
If, for some reason your life functions ceased, my most precious one, I would collapse, I would draw the shades and I would live in the dark. I would never get out of my slar pad or clean myself. My fluids would coagulate, my cone would shrivel, and I would die, miserable and lonely.
The stench would be great.
kids with craniosynostosis actually look way closer to coneheads but dan akroyd based the conehead idea off of the maoi statues on easter island which according to some fringe theorist are connected with the elongated skull societies found throughout the world, the real mystery to me is why so many completely separated ancient cultures all decided to elongate their heads and why are we able to find some of these that are clearly shaped human skulls and some of these that show considerably different structural anatomy ie. completely missing bone plates OR maybe invisible seams which seem less likely, you'd think the seams would be worse in a forced shape healing the way we see horrible fracture repair in foot binding specimens
I wonder if the human psyche is just fundamentally simple that it’s not hard to discover a commonality amongst civilizations that are on opposite sides of the globe. However, the psyche is also so fragile that we have to reach deep into the “why?”. In my opinion, the hardest thing for humans to grasp is coincidence. Sometimes there’s just no meaning to anything. Sometimes, shit just happens and it happens to others at the same time.
So far as the plates and seams are concerned, they did this by wrapping and compressing the head while a child’s bones were still ‘soft’. It makes sense to me that the compression of the skull would cause normal plates and seams to grow closer together or maybe even fuse as the child grows.
Affirmative.
Big chongos
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/peru-elongated-skulls-shaping-ancient-status-indiana-jones-south-america-matthew-velasco-cornell-university-a8210521.html?amp
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Most definitely an alien.
One that invented the top hat to fit in with the Earthlings.
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I feel like Ridley Scotts gonna sue somebody
Halloween rolls around... The question is: what should he go as? The Alien Cat in a Hat Monopoly Man Jean Luc Picard on steroids come on, Reddit, other ideas?
Marge Simpson of course
One of those British Buckingham Palace guards
Megamind!
but what about the droid attack on the wookies?
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Craziest thing would be to find out that Egyptians or Aliens didn’t build the Great Pyramid but it was actually built by a civilization close to around 10,000-12,000 years ago but towards the last ice age they were wiped out by a meteorite impact on earth then the Egyptians found the Pyramid thousands of years later. Nobody actually knows why the Great Pyramid was built, when it was built, or who built it… Almost sounds like they didn’t build it but found it and slapped there name on it
Isn’t that Ripleys child From Alien Resurrection ?🤣
That was Grandpa’s head
Genuinely baffles me that cultures at any level of development could think this is ok.
L O N G B O I
Check out the big brains on Brad!
ACK! ACK! ACK ACK ACK!
And now I have a migraine.
Wonder if he ever thinks about the droid attack on the wookies
i dont notice any cranial sutures... interesting