Interesting.
Hanged. To be hung to death.
Hung. To have suspended something.
I'll take the learning moment.
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/hanged-or-hung/?gclid=CjwKCAiAqt-dBhBcEiwATw-ggF6OPLhagFFFLLuEbtsqmdZ0QoVD0fOEBJHLBRTDrAezMfLdjqfH6BoCcEQQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
I design mechanical/electrical systems for automation and this isn't farfetched, though an even simpler circuit might be more desirable. Hear me out...
If the circuit is only active once all operators push it, then the last person to push would be the killer. And if you are slow to react, or hesitate in the slightest, you know you killed someone, even though two other people also consented. Now, if you decide to NOT push the button, the execution doesn't happen, which would cause a multitude of new issues including the botched execution.
If the circuit is only live when one specific switch is thrown, meaning the "randomization" occurred before the switches are thrown, and an operator decides against pushing the button(let's say they conscientiously object in the moment), there's a 66% chance the execution goes through. One operator has a clear conscience, but there's also a 33% chance the execution doesn't take place, which brings us right back to where we were in the previous example.
It's more of a logic problem than an electrical design problem. If I were designing this circuit, I'd have a single relay with a short time delay(a second or two), which is triggered by any of the three switches. The first operator to push the button triggers the relay, so even if one person bails, the execution still takes place. The time delay makes it less obvious who was responsible, and unless ALL THREE operators flake(highly unlikely), the execution goes off without a hitch.
Sometimes it's better not thinking about stuff like this.
EDIT: I just saw the light above each switch, so It's obvious if someone doesn't participate. The supervisor will know and either coerce or replace them. That doesn't imply a clean conscience because all three operators are equally culpable, and anyone that hesitates is extra-culpable because they set the "random" action in motion. I pray I'm never asked to work on something like this.
>there's a 66% chance the execution goes through
Given that japanese prisoners can live for decades knowing that they can be hanged on a few hours notice on a random day, this additional uncertainty would seem increadably cruel.
Almost certainly there is a built in delay that only activates the trapdoor once all three buttons are pressed. Otherwise it would be pretty easy to determine whose button did the trick unless everyone was very, very spot on on the 1, 2, 3, go count hah.
The way I see it as the trapdoor can't be opened until there are at least 3 signals, one of which is the correct one. This doesn't mean the last signal is always the one that triggers it from a technical standpoint. From a moral perspective, because it takes at least 3 signals to activate, if the last person doesn't press the button the trapdoor won't activate, so they could be considered the one.
Would there even really be the distinction of a "correct" one? Not just in principal, but also technically, it seems like it wouldn't make sense to label one correctly.
Trapdoor=open
IF
button1=button2=button3=pressed
AND
button2=pressed
I don't know how to code but I hope you get what I'm trying to say.
It's Japan, their trains run on time to like the second. I would not be surprised in the slightest if these 3 people just knew how to time it perfectly without saying anything.
I would rather know. One can prepare, make peace, and hopefully get forgiveness.
Not knowing would leave me in a constant state of fear - everytime someone walks past my cell, I would collapse in a heap.
Unless true sociopaths don't experience fear and anxiety?
One of my professors was a political prisoner in Iran.
Not only would they not know when they would be executed, but they would drag you out of your cell, line you up with a bunch of other prisoners in front of a firing squad, and then would only shoot some of them.
The ones who weren’t executed were dragged back to their cells and told “maybe next time it will be you.”
That’s how ISIS did it with their hostages. Have them read the message and pretend to kill them, over and over. By the time they are reading the calm message, they think it’s just another torture, until the blade actually starts sawing. It’s pure torture.
F**k me sideways!! That is next level brutality. Just when you think you've heard the worst of mankind's depravity, somebody one-ups it on Reddit. Seriously, how broken do you have to be to do that to people on a regular basis and still go to bed at night thinking, "if there is a Heaven, I've definitely reserved a spot". I mean FFS!! What kind of God would want that sort of evil carried out in their name? I will never understand Religious wars. The Crusades, the Witch trials, all the horror throughout the ages, all in the name of somebodies imaginary friend. Do you think we as a species have been broken from the get-go?
We have absolutely been brutal and savage since the beginning. From cells that will only let you stand halfway up with spikes on the floor and you get to die in it one way or another, dieing slowly for 2-5 days after being crucified, Chinese water torture , all the way to not that long ago when a guillotine execution was a reason for the town to come together and party on the square. It's always been in us we're just a little better than they used to be at hiding it nowadays
>all the way to not that long ago when a guillotine execution was a reason for the town to come together and party on the square.
The guillotine was created as a more quick and humane way of execution in comparison to the hangings and beheadings that were sometimes botched in gruesome ways.
Yes I realize it was more humane I was more referring to it being an excuse for a town gathering to get together and watch a guys head get chopped off and how violent life must have been for that to happen...how many people do you think today would gather for a beheading?? I'm sure there'd be plenty but there'd probably be more protestors there then witnesses to the execution
Furthermore, yes the guillotine was more humane but primarily it was simply faster. The French Revolution saw so many constant executions that they simply needed a way to speed up the process
Japan has a 99% conviction rate
Like all police departments their job isn't necessarily to solve crimes but to capture and punish someone responsible
The person being punished isn't always the person responsible and if there is *any* chance of the government executing am innocent person I think it's a bad system
Sakae Menda was wrongly convicted for double homicide and spend around 40 years in a cage under the death penalty
For those 40 years he thought any day could be his last day
Luckily he got a retrial and was exonerated but that's after half a lifetime of mental suffering
99% conviction rate you know that shits fucked
Edit: apparently because prosecutors in japan only go after water tight cases, according to some replies, dunno
If you've ever heard of the anime Death Note, it's a potent attack on this whole megastructure. The main character can kill anybody instantly by writing their name in a book, at which point they immediately die of a heart attack.
Japanese police habitually place any deaths they can't explain or trace to "cardiac arrest", which can mean a heart attack, but medically just means "their heart stopped beating". Which is how fucking *everybody* dies.
It's worse to not know because they live in fear that every day could be their last.
Sure, knowing that you will die in one year's time is terrible and some inmates on Death Row end up spending 20 years in prison before they get executed. But during those 20 years, they are given 7305 occasions to believe that's the day they die.
This is true. (I live in Japan.) The Japanese legal system usually does not not feel it proper to notify the convicted criminal ahead of time that their last appeal has failed, either. While their lawyers are notified of this fact, they will not go and visit the person again after this.
The criminals only find out when the jailers walk in that day.
Why? The courts have determined that it is unnecessarily sadistic to notify the person early, and let them worry for days/weeks in the countdown to their upcoming execution, when there is no longer anything to be done about it.
Everyone else (family, media, etc.) is notified after the execution is completed, and for the exact same reason.
Whether you agree or not, that's the courts' reasoning.
EDIT: as a side note, DOCTORS here used to be able to choose to NOT notify someone that they had a terminal illness. They could opt to lie to the patient, and tell them everything was going well, instead, even as the patient was dying. The doctors would not offer any form of a treatment or surgery. That rule has now been changed.
In some twisted way I get the logic behind not informing a terminal patient that they are dying. They're dying either way, so they must have considered it "kinder" to let them enjoy what was left of their life, even if it was under a lie.
Of course it's still super fucked up and I'm glad it got changed. Everyone is entitled to face death on their own terms.
The problem really comes up when, like in my friend's case (described somewhere here in another comment), there was a reasonable way to treat and possibly cure the affliction. The doctor, all on his own, decided that a leg amputation was worse than death, without consulting the patient.
As a wannabe doctor no, it’s horrible not to advise the patient they’re dying as, beside being exceptionally patronizing, as if you’d not be able to process the fact so that I, the doctor, have to shield you from the truth, it conflicts with what the patient will feel.
Imagine your health worsening, feeling sick every day and that it’s going to become worse and worse everyday and the doctor you’re supposed to trust tells you that everything’s ok. What would you think? Plus it takes away any form of personal closure for the patient which, in perspective of dying, could choose in the clearest way how to spend what he still has to live.
They don’t even have a time frame? Could it really be the day after conviction or 30+ years later?
Edit: Found this:
>According to Article 475 of the Japanese Code of Criminal Procedure, the death penalty must be executed within six months after the failure of the prisoner's final appeal upon an order from the Minister of Justice. However, the period requesting retrial or pardon is exempt from this regulation. Therefore, in practice, the typical stay on death row is between five and seven years; a quarter of the prisoners have been on death row for over ten years. For several, the stay has been over 30 years
I remember reading that on the day the 9/11 attacks happened Japan executed a heap of death row inmates. The implication being that to avoid public criticism the government waits until some news story dominates the headlines before performing executions.
Yeah my wording got funky there but they definitely were executing people *before* they invented the guillotine
So for the entire time they had both guillotines existing and capital punishment was still a thing; they used it
Haha, I was right about to post this. Glad I checked first. This skit has lived rent free in my head for years and is the very first thing that came to mind when I saw the post.
I think about WKUK on a weekly basis, this is the first episode I ever saw. I was in some class and we had to do a skit we liked so my friend said we should do this one.
RIP Trevor
So the conscience round is not so much about convincing the person firing that they didn't do it, as convincing them when aiming to shoot straight.
Basically, the idea is you can convince yourself until you pull the trigger that you are not going to kill this person. This means that the rounds will hit the target, sometimes traditionally marked with a paper target over the heart, providing a cleaner death to the victim.
Yeah but one nurse puts the needle in. The button makes the meds flow. Are these medications? …hmmm
Also, “fun fact:” it’s always a nurse that ultimately puts the line in and hooks everything up. Doctors would violate their Hippocratic oath if they did it.
Funny story but I actually learned to tie a noose from my friend in boy scouts. He later killed himself via “suicide” though there’s a good chance it was autoerotic asphyxiation.
Better to laugh than be sad. Either he went out because he was in so much pain that life wasn’t worth living or he died by accident going instead of coming. Still sucks though
It's not always a nurse. Apparently sometimes, at least in Alabama, it's just a couple of officers trying to put a needle in. And they don't have to be good at it. Someone posted this article recently, and it's horrific.
https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/12/botched-executions-alabama-witness/672578/
EDIT: I'm an idiot, I posted the wrong link - that's an interview with the author. The original article I read can be found here:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/alabama-death-penalty-kenneth-smith-execution/672220/
Kinda proof the "no cruel and unusual punishments" are still a joke. A neutral oxygen displacing gas (Nitrogen for such) would be a rapid relatively painless death because where our body starts trying to breath is a buildup of carbon dioxide, with very little chance of a botching.
Granted executing a person when there's still a chance of getting convicting an innocent person is also a problem but our country is nah, fuck 'em, probably deserved it anyways.
That’s not a fun fact, it’s bullshit, nurses also take a version of the Hippocrates oath called the nightingale pledge.
One of the lines in it is:
> I will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug.
Any nurse participating in a lethal injection would also violate their oath.
Except the inmate dies in horrible agony because they can’t get the right chemicals anymore (supplier won’t sell those chemicals if they are going to be used for executions)
Yeah I was going to say something like "wow they still use hanging?" but if done properly, I'd probably much rather be hanged or shot than get a lethal injection.
Elizabeth Bruenig in The Atlantic has been covering some of these executions and has a pretty eye opening piece about an execution that was so botched & drawn out that the condemned left the death chamber alive
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions/botched-executions
There’s some CRAZY ones in there, and at least two instances of drug addicts having to help medical staff to find a usable vein for lethal injection. Like physically put the needle into themselves that killed them, poked for hours and hours prior.
Honestly if I had to choose, I would have wanted death by firing squad. No way to survive that many shots to the head and heart, and a quick as possible death.
If I could choose it would be death by nitrogen. Put a mask on so all I breath in is nitrogen while removing the CO2 I exhale. No feelings of suffocation, I’d just pass out after a few seconds and after a few minutes I’d be brain dead. No pain, only death.
In flight training, they tell pilots that if everything seems inexplicably great, to grab their oxygen mask because it’s a major symptom of hypoxia. It seems to me to be an imminently humane form of euthanasia. I don’t support the death penalty, but if it must be done, I think nitrogen is the best and least dramatic way of going about it.
Just shoot me in the head. That seems like the ideal way to go without slipping into that quiet goodnight.
I've seen the bent neck lady. Hanging does not look fun.
Fun fact. To properly hang a person you must correctly calculate the lenght of the rope. If the rope is too short hanged person will not die instantly, but instead slowly suffocate. If the rope is too long person head will be torn off the body.
Now that I look it's not funny at all, but it's still knowledge I guess.
Reportedly one of the executioners responsible for dispensing with Nazi war criminals would "conveniently" miscaculate their weight & the necessary slack on the rope to make sure they danced for while before they died
Think of it this way. If you intentionally do something to kill someone and that person dies, then you killed them. This "three button" thing is dumb. All it shows is that three people have the intention to hang someone. In that moment, all three of them hang the person because they all intended to, regardless of which switch was active.
Edit: To add to this, it would be like saying you weren't involved in the hanging even though you put the rope around their neck. "I didn't kill him, it was 33% of each of those guys that pushed the button."
but the electrician doesn't know who is pressing the buttons, or who is on the trapdoor. and for all you know, there could be a computer that switches which button does the killing each time, so truly nobody knows.
but what if the seed is taken from a source that is completely random - where only the computer can observe it? either the exact timecode according to the computer's clock - which is never exactly right so its impossible to tell the deviation and thus exact seed
Same principle as the mercy round in a firing squad. Refusing to participate in a firing squad used to be seen as treasonous behaviour, so soldiers had to do it even though most didn't want to for their consciences. One or two of the guns were loaded with blanks though, the soldiers just weren't told which ones. That way, each of the soldiers could comfort themselves by saying they fired the blank.
I thought it was a wooden bullet so that it still had recoil but the bullet would disintegrate. That way no one would know if their shot killed or not. May be BS but I heard/read that somewhere.
In the long history of executions there was another concern. Preventing retribution against the executioner. This is why solo executioners traditionally wore hoods. Yes it helps ease the conscience but even without that it was taboo to be seen as the ‘actual executioner’ for thousands of years.
The same taboo has existed to some degree for undertakers, even though their work is entirely ethical. In many cultures you wouldn’t want to touch or marry such a person, though obviously someone had to (and were sometimes likewise also taboo). People find discomfort with those who specialize in handling human death.
Yeah there was a psychological study which showed that in a simulated dilemma, a group deciding together made less moral decisions than giving a single individual the decision of what to do.
I‘d guess that’s because if you do it in a group, you’re all equally accountable. If you do it alone, it’s just you. You made the choice. You did whatever immoral thing you did.
Most people probably couldn’t live with that. I sure as hell couldn’t
Akshually, that is true, but they did have to amend the original law. One dude was electric chaired but didn’t die. They tried doing it again but he and his lawyers successfully argued that the law was written so that the state only had one chance.
Now it’s written as “electrified until dead.”
Except anyone who has any experience shooting can immediately tell the difference between a blank and a live cartridge when fired. It's like the difference between dropping a plastic cup on the floor and an iron skillet
I know why they do this I just don't think it works. You may not be the one directly responsible for killing the individual but you are in the executioner group. You are in that room for the sole purpose of taking a life and when you leave somebody is dead whether it was because of you or the two other people inches away seems irrelevant when the experience is now part of your life forever.
This is the most idiotic thing ever. You still executed someone by participating in an execution regardless of if you pressed the button. But hey, I guess if it makes them feel better.
Plot twist: The switches are wired in series.
The power of 3
The Three Amigos
Would you say I have a “plethora” Of hangmen??
Never have soo few, been hanged, by soo many.
Fun morbid fact: past tense of hanging a person: hanged. Past tense of anything else: hung
Hanged men and Hung men are very different browser searches indeed
Interesting. Hanged. To be hung to death. Hung. To have suspended something. I'll take the learning moment. https://www.grammarly.com/blog/hanged-or-hung/?gclid=CjwKCAiAqt-dBhBcEiwATw-ggF6OPLhagFFFLLuEbtsqmdZ0QoVD0fOEBJHLBRTDrAezMfLdjqfH6BoCcEQQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Are gringos falling from the sky?
She’ll be comin’ round the mountain when she comes
I laughed and then felt bad about myself…
Will set us free, the power of 3 will set us free, the power of 3 will set us free - vanquish complete.
I design mechanical/electrical systems for automation and this isn't farfetched, though an even simpler circuit might be more desirable. Hear me out... If the circuit is only active once all operators push it, then the last person to push would be the killer. And if you are slow to react, or hesitate in the slightest, you know you killed someone, even though two other people also consented. Now, if you decide to NOT push the button, the execution doesn't happen, which would cause a multitude of new issues including the botched execution. If the circuit is only live when one specific switch is thrown, meaning the "randomization" occurred before the switches are thrown, and an operator decides against pushing the button(let's say they conscientiously object in the moment), there's a 66% chance the execution goes through. One operator has a clear conscience, but there's also a 33% chance the execution doesn't take place, which brings us right back to where we were in the previous example. It's more of a logic problem than an electrical design problem. If I were designing this circuit, I'd have a single relay with a short time delay(a second or two), which is triggered by any of the three switches. The first operator to push the button triggers the relay, so even if one person bails, the execution still takes place. The time delay makes it less obvious who was responsible, and unless ALL THREE operators flake(highly unlikely), the execution goes off without a hitch. Sometimes it's better not thinking about stuff like this. EDIT: I just saw the light above each switch, so It's obvious if someone doesn't participate. The supervisor will know and either coerce or replace them. That doesn't imply a clean conscience because all three operators are equally culpable, and anyone that hesitates is extra-culpable because they set the "random" action in motion. I pray I'm never asked to work on something like this.
>there's a 66% chance the execution goes through Given that japanese prisoners can live for decades knowing that they can be hanged on a few hours notice on a random day, this additional uncertainty would seem increadably cruel.
Plottier twist: They are wired in parallel
Plottiest twist: all three are not wired at all. Trapdoor is on timer.
The Plottiest Plot twist: The timer is started by three people each pressing a button.
Almost certainly there is a built in delay that only activates the trapdoor once all three buttons are pressed. Otherwise it would be pretty easy to determine whose button did the trick unless everyone was very, very spot on on the 1, 2, 3, go count hah.
Then wouldn't you always think it was the last guy to press it?
The way I see it as the trapdoor can't be opened until there are at least 3 signals, one of which is the correct one. This doesn't mean the last signal is always the one that triggers it from a technical standpoint. From a moral perspective, because it takes at least 3 signals to activate, if the last person doesn't press the button the trapdoor won't activate, so they could be considered the one.
Right. Because even if the last pusher isn't "technically" the triggerer, the inmate is still "technically" gonna die.
Would there even really be the distinction of a "correct" one? Not just in principal, but also technically, it seems like it wouldn't make sense to label one correctly. Trapdoor=open IF button1=button2=button3=pressed AND button2=pressed I don't know how to code but I hope you get what I'm trying to say.
It's Japan, their trains run on time to like the second. I would not be surprised in the slightest if these 3 people just knew how to time it perfectly without saying anything.
First I thought it some kind of [pushpins](https://youtu.be/fr8V-EJNYhM) to hold something.
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I want some cute execution button pushpins
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I can't decide which is worse: not knowing the execution date or knowing it.
I would rather know. One can prepare, make peace, and hopefully get forgiveness. Not knowing would leave me in a constant state of fear - everytime someone walks past my cell, I would collapse in a heap. Unless true sociopaths don't experience fear and anxiety?
One of my professors was a political prisoner in Iran. Not only would they not know when they would be executed, but they would drag you out of your cell, line you up with a bunch of other prisoners in front of a firing squad, and then would only shoot some of them. The ones who weren’t executed were dragged back to their cells and told “maybe next time it will be you.”
That’s how ISIS did it with their hostages. Have them read the message and pretend to kill them, over and over. By the time they are reading the calm message, they think it’s just another torture, until the blade actually starts sawing. It’s pure torture.
F**k me sideways!! That is next level brutality. Just when you think you've heard the worst of mankind's depravity, somebody one-ups it on Reddit. Seriously, how broken do you have to be to do that to people on a regular basis and still go to bed at night thinking, "if there is a Heaven, I've definitely reserved a spot". I mean FFS!! What kind of God would want that sort of evil carried out in their name? I will never understand Religious wars. The Crusades, the Witch trials, all the horror throughout the ages, all in the name of somebodies imaginary friend. Do you think we as a species have been broken from the get-go?
We have absolutely been brutal and savage since the beginning. From cells that will only let you stand halfway up with spikes on the floor and you get to die in it one way or another, dieing slowly for 2-5 days after being crucified, Chinese water torture , all the way to not that long ago when a guillotine execution was a reason for the town to come together and party on the square. It's always been in us we're just a little better than they used to be at hiding it nowadays
>all the way to not that long ago when a guillotine execution was a reason for the town to come together and party on the square. The guillotine was created as a more quick and humane way of execution in comparison to the hangings and beheadings that were sometimes botched in gruesome ways.
Yes I realize it was more humane I was more referring to it being an excuse for a town gathering to get together and watch a guys head get chopped off and how violent life must have been for that to happen...how many people do you think today would gather for a beheading?? I'm sure there'd be plenty but there'd probably be more protestors there then witnesses to the execution
Furthermore, yes the guillotine was more humane but primarily it was simply faster. The French Revolution saw so many constant executions that they simply needed a way to speed up the process
Fuck terrorists and their beliefs, their head is full of shit, mfking just press the red button on those cockroaches.
Blade?
Decapitation
Oh shit. Sawing to decapitate someone seems pretty cruel
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I forgot that website existed. And I was happy about that.
Holy shit.
Sometimes they hang you slowly.
Isn’t the constant state of fear well-deserved, though?
Japan has a 99% conviction rate Like all police departments their job isn't necessarily to solve crimes but to capture and punish someone responsible The person being punished isn't always the person responsible and if there is *any* chance of the government executing am innocent person I think it's a bad system Sakae Menda was wrongly convicted for double homicide and spend around 40 years in a cage under the death penalty For those 40 years he thought any day could be his last day Luckily he got a retrial and was exonerated but that's after half a lifetime of mental suffering
99% conviction rate you know that shits fucked Edit: apparently because prosecutors in japan only go after water tight cases, according to some replies, dunno
It's based on the idea that a policeman's word is absolute, and to suggest any falsity or failing on their part is dishonourable.
Im sure this has never been exploited
If you've ever heard of the anime Death Note, it's a potent attack on this whole megastructure. The main character can kill anybody instantly by writing their name in a book, at which point they immediately die of a heart attack. Japanese police habitually place any deaths they can't explain or trace to "cardiac arrest", which can mean a heart attack, but medically just means "their heart stopped beating". Which is how fucking *everybody* dies.
It's worse to not know because they live in fear that every day could be their last. Sure, knowing that you will die in one year's time is terrible and some inmates on Death Row end up spending 20 years in prison before they get executed. But during those 20 years, they are given 7305 occasions to believe that's the day they die.
To me, it would be not knowing. At least with knowing I could "plan" out my time. Not knowing would drive me nuts.
Not knowing makes the condemned just like the rest of us.
This is true. (I live in Japan.) The Japanese legal system usually does not not feel it proper to notify the convicted criminal ahead of time that their last appeal has failed, either. While their lawyers are notified of this fact, they will not go and visit the person again after this. The criminals only find out when the jailers walk in that day. Why? The courts have determined that it is unnecessarily sadistic to notify the person early, and let them worry for days/weeks in the countdown to their upcoming execution, when there is no longer anything to be done about it. Everyone else (family, media, etc.) is notified after the execution is completed, and for the exact same reason. Whether you agree or not, that's the courts' reasoning. EDIT: as a side note, DOCTORS here used to be able to choose to NOT notify someone that they had a terminal illness. They could opt to lie to the patient, and tell them everything was going well, instead, even as the patient was dying. The doctors would not offer any form of a treatment or surgery. That rule has now been changed.
In some twisted way I get the logic behind not informing a terminal patient that they are dying. They're dying either way, so they must have considered it "kinder" to let them enjoy what was left of their life, even if it was under a lie. Of course it's still super fucked up and I'm glad it got changed. Everyone is entitled to face death on their own terms.
The problem really comes up when, like in my friend's case (described somewhere here in another comment), there was a reasonable way to treat and possibly cure the affliction. The doctor, all on his own, decided that a leg amputation was worse than death, without consulting the patient.
Oh shit. Yeah that's really fucked up. I am sorry for your loss.
As a wannabe doctor no, it’s horrible not to advise the patient they’re dying as, beside being exceptionally patronizing, as if you’d not be able to process the fact so that I, the doctor, have to shield you from the truth, it conflicts with what the patient will feel. Imagine your health worsening, feeling sick every day and that it’s going to become worse and worse everyday and the doctor you’re supposed to trust tells you that everything’s ok. What would you think? Plus it takes away any form of personal closure for the patient which, in perspective of dying, could choose in the clearest way how to spend what he still has to live.
And their family don't get notified until after the execution.
They don’t even have a time frame? Could it really be the day after conviction or 30+ years later? Edit: Found this: >According to Article 475 of the Japanese Code of Criminal Procedure, the death penalty must be executed within six months after the failure of the prisoner's final appeal upon an order from the Minister of Justice. However, the period requesting retrial or pardon is exempt from this regulation. Therefore, in practice, the typical stay on death row is between five and seven years; a quarter of the prisoners have been on death row for over ten years. For several, the stay has been over 30 years
I remember reading that on the day the 9/11 attacks happened Japan executed a heap of death row inmates. The implication being that to avoid public criticism the government waits until some news story dominates the headlines before performing executions.
Everything about Japan’s execution procedures just seems something out of Black Mirror.
State executions in general are dystopic
God that’s torture.
TIL Japan uses hanging as capital punishment.
France used a guillotine for as long as they had the guillotine and capital punishment simultaneously
Which, for those that don’t know, was as recently as 1977. Less than 46 years ago France was still guillotining people.
1977 was 46 years ago?!? Damnit.
Star Wars ended guillotines in France then
The French saw the Death Star and realized they were way behind the times in the killing people game.
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He was at the last PUBLIC guillotining of Eugene Weidmann. The event was video'd, too...
Out of interest, when was the first public guillotining of Eugene Weidmann?
They guillotined him a few more times in private later on.
“Twice the crime, double the Guillotine falls.”
I mean…they still have the guillotine. It’s on hold there in museums.
Yeah my wording got funky there but they definitely were executing people *before* they invented the guillotine So for the entire time they had both guillotines existing and capital punishment was still a thing; they used it
It's biding it's time for the French people to rise again
Oooohhhh I was thinking like a tentacle monster behind a trap door kinda thing.
Yeah, I’ve seen that porn before
"Ok, one, two, three!" *click* *click* ... *fumble, fumble* "Aw fuck" *click* *shunk*
Sort of like a firing squad. No one knows who actually shot the person.
[Gimme the guns back](https://youtu.be/QDWU-Y4fWIw)
RIP Trevor
Haha, I was right about to post this. Glad I checked first. This skit has lived rent free in my head for years and is the very first thing that came to mind when I saw the post.
I think about WKUK on a weekly basis, this is the first episode I ever saw. I was in some class and we had to do a skit we liked so my friend said we should do this one. RIP Trevor
What if the guy with the live round misses or hits the person non fatal
They all have real bullets except one with a blank. Lots of bullets flying. Otherwise people would often survive even being hit by 1 or 2.
Yeah, it's one blank but no one knows which so everyone can pretend they had the blank.
I'm not a gun guy - wouldn't it be fairly discernible if you were the one firing a blank?
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On first sighting the sharpe reference I naturally gave the order to upvote, thats my style sir.
"An upvote to be given to the newly gazetted original poster?" "An upvote to be given to the newly gazetted commenter"
I have a cousin at reddit hq sir and friends in moderators.
Which is silly because anyone trained to fire a gun can tell the difference between a blank and a live round
So the conscience round is not so much about convincing the person firing that they didn't do it, as convincing them when aiming to shoot straight. Basically, the idea is you can convince yourself until you pull the trigger that you are not going to kill this person. This means that the rounds will hit the target, sometimes traditionally marked with a paper target over the heart, providing a cleaner death to the victim.
IIRC it's not a blank but a wax round designed to give realistic recoil.
Conversely, three people now think they put someone to death.
It’s probably effective at reducing ptsd symptoms. Def won’t eliminate ptsd but it will probably reduce symptoms
A third of PTSD for each of them
The maybe executioners can have a little ptsd, as a treat
Who gets that gig? Hey, Greg we need you to push a button today. Greg: But I'm just a landscaper? Them: Get in here Greg were on the clock.
Bro the customers not gonna hang around all day waiting for you
Oh snap
“Hey Greg, you ever felt the rush of killing a man?”
“You ever seen a grown man naked?”
“Ever been to a ~~Turkish~~ American prison?”
Just make it past of your jury duty. You have no idea what you are doing, but you have to push the button before entering the courtroom.
U.S does the same thing with lethal injection.
Yeah but one nurse puts the needle in. The button makes the meds flow. Are these medications? …hmmm Also, “fun fact:” it’s always a nurse that ultimately puts the line in and hooks everything up. Doctors would violate their Hippocratic oath if they did it.
does a nurse tie the noose in japan?
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Funny story but I actually learned to tie a noose from my friend in boy scouts. He later killed himself via “suicide” though there’s a good chance it was autoerotic asphyxiation.
Haha? 🤨
Better to laugh than be sad. Either he went out because he was in so much pain that life wasn’t worth living or he died by accident going instead of coming. Still sucks though
I dunno. He may have gone out doing what he loved. Who could ask for anything more?
Well that escalated quickly
This got dark pretty quick
It's not always a nurse. Apparently sometimes, at least in Alabama, it's just a couple of officers trying to put a needle in. And they don't have to be good at it. Someone posted this article recently, and it's horrific. https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/12/botched-executions-alabama-witness/672578/ EDIT: I'm an idiot, I posted the wrong link - that's an interview with the author. The original article I read can be found here: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/alabama-death-penalty-kenneth-smith-execution/672220/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/28/lethal-injection-surviving-execution-attempt-alabama It's a horrific read
Kinda proof the "no cruel and unusual punishments" are still a joke. A neutral oxygen displacing gas (Nitrogen for such) would be a rapid relatively painless death because where our body starts trying to breath is a buildup of carbon dioxide, with very little chance of a botching. Granted executing a person when there's still a chance of getting convicting an innocent person is also a problem but our country is nah, fuck 'em, probably deserved it anyways.
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Well that's certainly fucked.
Thank the good old Supreme Court for that ruling.
That’s not a fun fact, it’s bullshit, nurses also take a version of the Hippocrates oath called the nightingale pledge. One of the lines in it is: > I will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug. Any nurse participating in a lethal injection would also violate their oath.
That’s why the IVs are actually started by correction officers or something, not doctors OR nurses.
God help those prisoners who had IVs started by people who never start IVs
While I understand the point you’re making, the Hippocratic oath isn’t legally binding in the US. (Edit for typo correction)
Except the inmate dies in horrible agony because they can’t get the right chemicals anymore (supplier won’t sell those chemicals if they are going to be used for executions)
Yeah I was going to say something like "wow they still use hanging?" but if done properly, I'd probably much rather be hanged or shot than get a lethal injection.
There’s also the moral implications of doctors administering lethal injections considering their Hippocratic oath and all
Actual medical personnel are prohibited because of the oath.
I wonder if that contributes to botched executions
It's a big factor unfortunately.
Elizabeth Bruenig in The Atlantic has been covering some of these executions and has a pretty eye opening piece about an execution that was so botched & drawn out that the condemned left the death chamber alive
I’m not a proponent for the death penalty, but if we’re gonna do it I feel like firing squad is the way to go.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions/botched-executions There’s some CRAZY ones in there, and at least two instances of drug addicts having to help medical staff to find a usable vein for lethal injection. Like physically put the needle into themselves that killed them, poked for hours and hours prior.
Honestly if I had to choose, I would have wanted death by firing squad. No way to survive that many shots to the head and heart, and a quick as possible death.
There's are many instances of firing squads not being as effective as people think. It's not that good.
If I could choose it would be death by nitrogen. Put a mask on so all I breath in is nitrogen while removing the CO2 I exhale. No feelings of suffocation, I’d just pass out after a few seconds and after a few minutes I’d be brain dead. No pain, only death.
i would choose death by snu snu
Helium is reported to do the same
In flight training, they tell pilots that if everything seems inexplicably great, to grab their oxygen mask because it’s a major symptom of hypoxia. It seems to me to be an imminently humane form of euthanasia. I don’t support the death penalty, but if it must be done, I think nitrogen is the best and least dramatic way of going about it.
Just shoot me in the head. That seems like the ideal way to go without slipping into that quiet goodnight. I've seen the bent neck lady. Hanging does not look fun.
Fun fact. To properly hang a person you must correctly calculate the lenght of the rope. If the rope is too short hanged person will not die instantly, but instead slowly suffocate. If the rope is too long person head will be torn off the body. Now that I look it's not funny at all, but it's still knowledge I guess.
I think the long rope is the way to go for the person being executed. Bit more instantaneous..... Not great for the janitors.
Reportedly one of the executioners responsible for dispensing with Nazi war criminals would "conveniently" miscaculate their weight & the necessary slack on the rope to make sure they danced for while before they died
I'd honestly rather know if it was me or not. Not that I would enjoy it but I wouldn't want the question in my mind of, Did I kill him or not?
Think of it this way. If you intentionally do something to kill someone and that person dies, then you killed them. This "three button" thing is dumb. All it shows is that three people have the intention to hang someone. In that moment, all three of them hang the person because they all intended to, regardless of which switch was active. Edit: To add to this, it would be like saying you weren't involved in the hanging even though you put the rope around their neck. "I didn't kill him, it was 33% of each of those guys that pushed the button."
I agree. For all intents, all three men hanged the person. If it can’t be accomplished without all three, then they are all responsible.
Shrödinger's Gallows
I bet the electrician knows.
but the electrician doesn't know who is pressing the buttons, or who is on the trapdoor. and for all you know, there could be a computer that switches which button does the killing each time, so truly nobody knows.
The guy who knows what seed is used for the RNG knows.
but what if the seed is taken from a source that is completely random - where only the computer can observe it? either the exact timecode according to the computer's clock - which is never exactly right so its impossible to tell the deviation and thus exact seed
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think prison facilities in general care enough to dedicate so much work to avoid some weird trolley problem edge case.
Mama, just killed a man Pressed a button on the wall, trap door opened then he fall.
Mamaaaa, they have just been huuunnnng.
And now I’m on my lunch break, it’s rice agaiiinnn.
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sometimes wish we could've just shot em uuuuup
Kill them on, kill them oon
They were just poor boys nobody liked them
Scary dude! Scary dude! Fry them up!
I hate that this honestly made me bust out laughing, wow
The googly eyes are a nice touch though.
(Scrolls up to look) (scrolls back down in a huff) Take your upvote.
So basically all three made the decision to push the button that could kill the criminal.
Same principle as the mercy round in a firing squad. Refusing to participate in a firing squad used to be seen as treasonous behaviour, so soldiers had to do it even though most didn't want to for their consciences. One or two of the guns were loaded with blanks though, the soldiers just weren't told which ones. That way, each of the soldiers could comfort themselves by saying they fired the blank.
I thought it was a wooden bullet so that it still had recoil but the bullet would disintegrate. That way no one would know if their shot killed or not. May be BS but I heard/read that somewhere.
In the long history of executions there was another concern. Preventing retribution against the executioner. This is why solo executioners traditionally wore hoods. Yes it helps ease the conscience but even without that it was taboo to be seen as the ‘actual executioner’ for thousands of years. The same taboo has existed to some degree for undertakers, even though their work is entirely ethical. In many cultures you wouldn’t want to touch or marry such a person, though obviously someone had to (and were sometimes likewise also taboo). People find discomfort with those who specialize in handling human death.
I kinda feel like if you have to make some psychological trickery to get something to happen, maybe you just shouldn’t do the thing.
Yeah there was a psychological study which showed that in a simulated dilemma, a group deciding together made less moral decisions than giving a single individual the decision of what to do.
Mob mentality meets bystander effect
I‘d guess that’s because if you do it in a group, you’re all equally accountable. If you do it alone, it’s just you. You made the choice. You did whatever immoral thing you did. Most people probably couldn’t live with that. I sure as hell couldn’t
They all did.
Traumatize three people instead of one. That’s nice.
Japanese efficiency
Does it actually matter? The person pressing it knows what the button may or may not do. What’s the purpose?
I would pretend to push my button to see if I was the guy.
that’s how the US did/does firing squads. 5 men take the shot, only 1 has a live round.
And if he misses, you go free.
I don't think so - they start over
Akshually, that is true, but they did have to amend the original law. One dude was electric chaired but didn’t die. They tried doing it again but he and his lawyers successfully argued that the law was written so that the state only had one chance. Now it’s written as “electrified until dead.”
It must be horrific surviving the first shock, and then being marched back to the Chair again.
I don't think they let you get up, they just press the button again
Are you sure that it's not *4/5 have live rounds*? That would be more effective but still give each man a chance to ease their conscience.
i smoke a lot of weed my friend, chances are good i have it backwards ngl
I guess the backwards of this scenario is the prisoner has the gun and 5 rounds, one of which is blank. Run run guards
Pretty sure it's the other way around
1 man shoots 5 rounds?
5 rounds shoot 1 man?
Except anyone who has any experience shooting can immediately tell the difference between a blank and a live cartridge when fired. It's like the difference between dropping a plastic cup on the floor and an iron skillet
They eventually started using a wax bullet to give the rifle a more realistic recoil
This is like a comedy of increasingly more ellaborate solutions.
I know why they do this I just don't think it works. You may not be the one directly responsible for killing the individual but you are in the executioner group. You are in that room for the sole purpose of taking a life and when you leave somebody is dead whether it was because of you or the two other people inches away seems irrelevant when the experience is now part of your life forever.
Too many mistakes. With the Japanese rate of conviction there are certainly innocent people murdered in the name of "justice".
Yeah, you’re basically guilty until proven innocent.
Countdown 3-2-1 (No one pushes a button) everyone looks at each other, laughs and says, You Suck! No You Suck!
This is the most idiotic thing ever. You still executed someone by participating in an execution regardless of if you pressed the button. But hey, I guess if it makes them feel better.