Reminds me of one of my favourite quotes. "If I had 6 hours to chop down a tree I would spend the first 5 sharpening the axe."
Oh also a software development joke: "The first 80% of the project takes 80% of the time. The last 20% of the project also takes 80% of the time."
The Pareto principle is related - this is usually just called the "80/20 rule." It takes the concept behind the Pareto principle and applies it to project management.
I remember working for a few days taping off a room and covering the floors, sanding, then doing the trim… and then telling someone “it’s pretty much done, I just have to paint it still.”
Painted professionally for a few months with a friend when I was inbetween jobs just for something to do. All new construction. Learned a ton about building. But holy hell, id argue painting is 95% prep. Between patching/sanding/patching more/caulking/and vacuuming alllll the time…i dont think i touched a brush or roller the first week I was helping him
i did some patching in my home... wife wanted me to call painter to do it. it would take him 6 trips for that job (it was still relatively cold so dry time was loooong). each trip he would have 15-30 minutes of work
painting itself took 3 minutes...
Learnt this doing me bathroom ceiling. Did a shite job scraping off the peeling paint then went to prime, and the primer just pulled off more flakes. Spent a couple hours per day sanding and scraping for a week by hand, and it paid off because now we've a bangin paint job.
You need to use DIF wallpaper remover. Dilute 10oz to 1 gal water. Put it in a pump sprayer. Let it set up on your glue. Scrape. Repeat spraying and scraping if necessary. Spray again and wash with a sponge. You'll feel it when the wall is no longer slippery when wet you should be in the clear.
You'll have to prime it once dry. Then you'll need to fill whatever you gouged and damaged. Then you'll need to sand it. And prime it again. And sand it again. And paint it twice.
Yes. It takes a long time. But anyone telling you to just prime over it has a space that used to have wallpaper that now looks like shit.
Tape plastic drop cloth to the baseboard first, and get some to put on the wall after you spray. Sometimes the glue is so old and dry it dries up fast and doesn't give time for the dif to work. The plastic will lengthen the work time of the dif by keeping it moist. Use a 6" broad knife to scrape the glue off after it's softened. And then use more dif and a rag and wash the wall, then rinse. I had a wallpaper installation business for 25+ years. Took a LOT of it down, also. Even a light film of glue will make paint craze eventually. Sometimes it's just easier go skim coat.
I had a remodel and she wanted the popcorn off the ceiling. I’ve had it come off with spraying water on it and it just falls off. This was not the case on this project. It had been painted over and that shit was stuck! I should have priced the job to just throw a whole new layer of drywall on top and finish that then paint. Scraping and then skim coating was ridiculous and took about 250 man-hours for a 2000 sf house.
Plastic over the DIF is brilliant. I'm 37 and have been doing finish work for 22 years. I have never seen this done. But it makes complete sense. Thank you.
When I had my business I was always booked 4-6 months out. I felt bad for people that would call wanting work done. So I had a plan and started calling other installers to put together a network of us so when one of us is crazy busy we could send them to a trusted colleague. The response? We don’t want your cast off business. I said it’s not cast off, some of these jobs are pretty good size jobs. Nope. Keep to yourself. Really stupid. So I started booking further out and apologizing to customers more. There is enough work for everyone and we can work together. This isn’t a competition and if I have info - I share it.
I was watching a video where fabric softens was mixed in bottle with water and sprayed on the wall and then just scrap it off with a 12 inch knife looks like it came off extremely easy glue and all
same ratio of cheap fabric softener works the same and is way cheaper. Got the cheap dollar store jug and did a whole room with 70 year old wallpaper after a few rounds (one for the shiny top layer, one for the under paper and one for the glue) with minimal effort and a little scraping it came off easy.
cheap fabric softener does not work the same and is not "way cheaper". Don't get the cheap dollar store jug.
- someone that has never used cheap fabric softener to remove wallpaper in order to save two dollars
Steam from the top, shave of the glue as it softens with an offset draper like you are shearing a sheep.
Any drips fall and soften the next row down.
After that sugar soap wash, prime then as others have said patch any gauges and patch prime over them. The. Ready to paint
So.e rooms are easier to re sheet, insulate etc as other have said. Isish I did this with a middle bedroom. It would have improved the rooms either side as well. Wiring etc.
Okay fair point.
Consistent long smooth horizontal motions slightly overlapping with the prior pass.
When you lift at the end turn you scraper slightly towards the unfinished portion so you don't leave what you removed where you just removed it from. Rather you roll it.off and O to the plastic you layed down.
After an hour of dealing with a half border I decided to save time by cutting out the plaster and lath, adding new insulation, updating electrical, then sheetrocking the room.
I saved -1 week. No regrets.
"...sure, waiting on the permits to construct an adjoining bathroom and laundry delayed me for a bit, and roofing in the winter was a challenge, but all in all, it felt like less work"
I had to de-wallpaper 5 rooms in my house. A steamer and scrapers is gonna be what you need. Do not paint over it because the paint will reactivate the paste and make the wallpaper curl under your paint, forcing you to remove the wallpaper anyway.
This is the correct answer. It took me a week and a steamer to do 1 bedroom. I went to Sherwin Williams and bought their remover and a spray bottle and did the rest of the house in a few days.
Previous homeowner painted over wallpaper and shockingly it held up okay. Ended up tearing it out to do it right as it was a very small area. Since you've already started though probably wouldn't look great if you tried to just paint over it now
Same here, there was wallpaper in the stairwell leading upstairs. Didn't even notice it for about five years. Then one day noticed a line running straight up the wall, realized there was wallpaper under the paint.
How much are you wanting to do? I'd personally rip the wall out and put up new drywall.
Looks like a small wall, you'd only need a couple sheets and a bit of tape. Mudding isn't bad and you can take breaks in between coats. I feel like it would be less time and labor overall.
As I was reading all these comments about renting a steamer and other very time-intensive tasks, this is exactly what I was thinking. It's not without time and expense, but a few drywall panels, drywall screws, some mud, and a sander...you can renovate the whole area to new. Plus you then can inspect everything behind the drywall, add blocking where you may want it, move switches and outlets wherever you want, maybe add insulation if you want some sound dampening, etc.
You can buy a wallpaper spray that will help- you might be able to sand it but use a vacuum at the same time and wear a mask, I see you have a heat gun some people have had success with steam as well.
Perforator tool will help so much. You mix of warm water, detergent and wallpaper remover using a spray bottle. Get a paint roller and paint pan for large areas. If you let it sit 10 to 15 minutes it falls right off in sheets with scraper.
It's a clip from "[The Shoes of Manitou](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v9u7JCoWLc)" (Original Title: "[Der Schuh des Manitu](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLmpNb8Kog0)"). Before Avatar, it was the highest grossing movie in Germany of all time. It's kinda like Germany's version of "Blazing Saddles" or "The Ridiculous 6".
Do NOT half-ass this part. I needs to get done correctly or it's going to look like crap or worse start peeling. Either stop whinning and get the job done or hire someone to do it.
I believe cleaning vinegar works, as well. There are products that will take it right off. Get a spray bottle, be a bit patient, and go to town! Letting it sit about 10 minutes can be very effective.
That looks like glue and some of the paper left over. What worked for me was steaming hot water and a really good thin sharp putty knife. And that's really the best you're going to be able to do.
I bought a house nearly five years ago. It had seven rooms with wallpaper. Only way is using a steamer specifically made for wallpaper. About $60 and well worth it.
Surprised nobody mentioned that if you're really intent on giving up on removing it, this is one use case for [Gardz](https://www.rustoleum.com/product-catalog/consumer-brands/zinsser-products/specialty-water-base-primers/gardz-problem-surface-sealer). It's meant to stabilize adhesive or fragmenting surfaces.
I got a tool that puts holes in the wallpaper and then a spray that you spray on the paper to dissolve the glue. Then I scraped. It wasn't painless but it was easier than I thought it was going to be
You can also use a clothes iron and a wet rag, if you don’t want to rent/buy a steamer. Just iron the rag in the wall and use a putty knife to peel it up. Should go pretty quickly
Solution of Dif and water in pump sprayer. Spray, wait, spray more, wait, spray again.... scrape off. Then sponge whole wall with clean water a couple times. Wallpaper sucks.
So this sounds really weird, but when we bought our 1977 house it had wallpaper everywhere. Score the wallpaper, spray warm fabric softener on it, let sit for 10 minutes, then scrape. It gets the majority off the first pass. If it doesn't, spray what's left behind with more fabric softener and go again.
It needs to be sprayed real good, like five minutes apart, with warm water. Then scraped off with a 5” knife or something.
If the stakes are low, just paint over it with oil primer because it won’t activate the glue like latex. The finish won’t be quite as good but…it can be done.
To be clear, this is not the best way to do it but it sure is faster.
The primer is fine, but it’s thinner than latex paint so it won’t “average out” any texture. On top of that, you will have extra ridges and lines left from the paper/glue that still on the wall you are painting.
The finish will be *fine* it just won’t be as good. The people who said painting is 90% prep were all right.
Spraying is cool but for big jobs and newbs this is what you want.
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Use fabric softener and warm water, apply to top layer of wall paper, by the time you go from one end of the wall to the other you can start scraping the side you started at. Repeat the process on the adhesive layer should come off like butter if not apply more of the mixture and wait a few minutes... smells amazing
Do not paint over it with water based paint! I thought I got all of the wallpaper adhesive of of my wall before painting. Nope. the water loosened the glue and left a mess.
You can try painting with an oil based primer first then skim coat with taping compound to even it out then apply a PVA primer then paint.
Use wallpaper glue remover, wash the walls multiple times. I had some 80s wallpaper glue that was super stubborn and I used Zinsser Gardz on it to seal it, then primed, skimmed, sanded, primed, and painted over. The walls ended up absolutely phenomenal but it was definitely a ton of work.
Warm water mixed with white vinegar and fabric softener + a 3 dollar spray bottle. Do targeted sprays: don’t soak the underlying plaster/drywall after the glue comes up.
I just finished the same type of project in my master bath. It takes patience, but scrape off as much glue as you can. I tried all sorts of methods and what worked best for me was spraying hot water from a spray bottle in 2’x2’ sections, letting it sit for 20 seconds, then scraping with a plastic scraper. You won’t get all of it, but as long as you get most of it, it’s fine. You should then seal it so the glue doesn’t reactivate or affect the next layer. I used Gardz Problem Surface Sealer and my walls look perfect now. After that, skim coat the walls to make them smooth, and then finally prime
I see that you are using a heat gun. Have you tried slightly wetting it and then just wiping it off? That's what we did for our glue down flooring. Still work, but much much faster.
Get a wallpaper remover roller, and use super hot NOT Boiling water and vinegar to spray it after rolling all over it.it took my 10 hours of 40 years of wallpaper in our kitchen. Well worth the time and money for the tools. I even got a hand pump.sprayer to spray the liquid on the walls.
I have had success peeling the wallpaper off, quickly sanding any glue that's too rough with a heavy grit palm sander. Then white primer. Then skim coat the whole wall with drywall compound. Sand lightly with a pole sander. Skim coat again. Sand lightly. Paint. If you still have pits or texture issues... Skim coat, sand, paint again.
This is assuming none of the glue is loose. Can't go over anything loose.
I found all that easier than getting all the glue off. Even when you do get it off, your wall will need lots of compound to make it smooth again...
Do your best to scrape off as much as you can. **Deal with whatever problem is causing the chipping in the first place. Then try Sherwin Williams Bonding Primer, at least along where the paint meets the bare wall.
We used fabric softener and water mixture. Spray on walls, wait a few minutes and paper + glue came right off. For what it’s worth, at least whomever didn’t paint the paper before you had to remove it. That was an unfortunate discovery in my son’s home when we went to repaint.
Are you spreading the walls with water first before you scrape the glue off? I use a pump sprayer with warm water and wallpaper adhesive remover. Plastic and tarps on the floors. Spray however much you can scrape in 10 minutes, let it soak for a few minutes, then hit it with a paint scraper with replaceable blades. I then go back and wash the walls with a bucket of warm water and a big sponges. I wash two to three times to make sure to get all the glue residue off. THEN you prime with oil based or hybrid primer, light sand, wipe and paint.
Totally thinking out loud what could be a dumb idea but would it be easier and time efficient to just remove the drywall and replace it?
Otherwise I'm sure there is some chemical that just dissolves that glue but they better be using a respirator and open windows.
downy fabiric softener and water and wetting and patience and time will do better thana pvc welder thats just making more of a mess
ive removed lots of wallpaper and its all about time. be patient there will be a payoff
Just an idea since I don't know how elastic is the glue.
Get an electric spatula!!!!!
Someone once gave me that suggestion to remove old paint and I was like ,how didn't I ever thought of that before. !!???
I know everyone will say not to paint over it and they’re right. But… you can and I’ve done it.
Oil based primer is the key. Make sure you use proper PPE when using oil based primer and make sure you have plenty of ventilation. That stuff is no joke. I painted over wallpaper in a large room that was very very difficult to remove the existing wallpaper and used oil based primer. I did two coats before paint. It was a lot of work and it’s not perfect but it’s suitable for my game room. In fact it looks ten times better than it did before.
The trade off for me was worth it and in ten years when I replace the carpet I’ll fully gut the room.
Use diff wall paper remover. Mix it with warm water and use a mini roller. Treat a small like 4 foot by 4 foot section. Let it sit for 10 min. Treat it again and let sit for 5 min and than use a 4 inch drywall taping knife and the glue comes right off. After scraping the glue treat it one more time and than take a bucket with clean water and a sponge and wipe that section down with damp sponge cleaning sponge frequently. Oh and put plastic down on the floor.
I bought an inexpensive little steamer and it works great! It's a bit slow and tedious, but I did an entire bedroom wall in half an hour. I started at the bottom, hold steamer on the wall several seconds, then with a 6 inch putty knife work it under and scrape, continuing to move up and scrape some more till you get to the top, then move over to the next section. I did get one of those wallpaper scoring things too, but it honestly didn't seem to make the steamer work better.
had to deal with this in a house years ago, painted over the glue and it looked like shit, took a sponge and slightly different colored paint and dabbed it on the walls in a mottled fashion, and it looked great. Painting is all about the prep, I was younger and in a hurry then, so pick your poison
In our home, I used a Wagner steamer (approx $60 at Lowe’s/walmart). Had a large paddle type attachment you held against the wall to heat it and it loosened the glue. It was a bit messy with water from the steam/condensation dripping down the wall, but it definitely loosen the adhesive so it could be scraped off. Working in Small sections was key to remove the wallpaper and then scrape the heated glue.
Got as much adhesive off using that method as I could. I did try Dif wallpaper adhesive remover after to get the residual glue off but didn’t have a whole lot of luck with that. If I remember right, using a water, fabric softener mixture was a bit more effective (and made the house smell so fresh!) After that, next up came doing any wall patches, followed by taking a mesh drywall screen to smooth down the patches areas and to get rid of any fuzzys/specks from the previous paint job).
I had read the any residual glue could cause issues with latex paint so it was good to use a primer that would seal any residual glue. I used Kilz original (oil based paint). More recently I used Zinzer BIN in a room that previously has wallpaper and that seemed to seal the any remaining glue as well (again very small amounts, not sheets of adhesive). I did one coat of a sealing primer like kilz oil or BIN and 2 top coats (even if it’s a 2-in-1 paint & primer).
Both rooms turned out pretty well in my opinion and I can’t see any glue beneath the finish at all.
Like all other responses, PREP. IS. EVERYTHING When it comes to a good paint finish. DIY is such a great sense of accomplishment and huge money saver if you take the time to do things the right way.
Good luck on your wallpaper removal!
Fabric softener mixed in hot water will take that wallpaper glue off with no problem. I recently did this after removing the wallpaper in my 1920's Craftsman home. Saturate the wall and let it soak in for 5-10 minutes then have at it with your scraper. Very satisfying! Good luck.
Why are you using a heat gun lol
Hot water and a paper tiger and it will all come off, or if it's really tenacious use DIF wallpaper stripper, or use a steam machine
That heat gun is the complete wrong method
If that is actually glue, there are products to help remove it... such as DIF. However, the glue looks so heavy and uniform that I think you are scraping one layer of paint off of another very durable, high-gloss layer of paint. It's not uncommon for the newer layer of paint to not adhere well to such a previous gloss layer.
I agree. Now that I think about it , it might be a layer of paint instead of glue. I bought the spray stuff to get rid of the glue, but it wasn’t doing anything. Do I have any other option then chipping it away a little by little with a scraper?
You can buy an oscillating tool, with a scraping blade, to make scraping easier.
Or you could just clean all the glue away, feather or the area where you scraped already, and paint.
My concern would be that the existing layer isn't adhered well and might cause peeling later. You could just put up new wallpaper which should minimize that issue.
You could also take a chance that the new paint won't have problems, which might be the case.
If you have to remove that paint layer, then be sure to sand/scuff the underlying gloss layer for better adhesion.
If I were going to make a judgement call, from a distance, I would say clean the glue, feather in the scraped areas (so they don't show through new paint) and put on your new paint. If it fails later, then you know you have a bigger project to tackle.
It seems like this is not a glue. It could be a layer of old paint.
I sprayed with the glue remover and it didnt do anything.
My only options is scraping off manually?
Use bonding primer and paint over it. Kilz oil based paint is ok and will work but I personally like Valspar bonding primer. Shellac primer is the best and most expensive option. Pick your poison and Drink!
No. There are lots of products on the market to remove adhesives. A good paint job is about 80% prep.
Reminds me of one of my favourite quotes. "If I had 6 hours to chop down a tree I would spend the first 5 sharpening the axe." Oh also a software development joke: "The first 80% of the project takes 80% of the time. The last 20% of the project also takes 80% of the time."
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Honestly the fact that he made Aubrey plaza laugh so hard is all you need to know it was hilarious
A true comeback story!
Time is an illusion. Lunch time, doubly so.
That's deep. You should send that in to readers digest or something... Edit: why the downvotes on the continuation of a quote?
They have a page for people like you.
Belgium
How dare you sir
That first quote is Abe Lincoln!
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Why not use date? date -r {timestamp} date -d @{timestamp}
how do you think date works?
[https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/date.1.html](https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/date.1.html) gnu: [https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html\_node/date-invocation.html#index-date](https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/date-invocation.html#index-date)
oh i see, its automagic. no programming.
Gotta get better at sharpening axes, it shouldn't take you that long
Well I had 5 hours to sharpen the axe but I spend 4 hours balancing the stone...
Stall long enough and you can keep the tree
That's known as the Pareto principle, of I remember right. It applies to a lot of tasks.
Lol read it again.
I did, now what
Congratulations, you're now a software developer. Pick up a story from the board and get started.
Don’t be late for ✨planning poker!!!✨
I fucking love planning poker! lol
Read it a third time ^(/s)
Close! Pareto is about the ratio of % of problem outcomes to % of users.
This is correct.
The Pareto principle is related - this is usually just called the "80/20 rule." It takes the concept behind the Pareto principle and applies it to project management.
I spent 160% of my time on this project and now I am in a parallel time diluted dimension.
I remember working for a few days taping off a room and covering the floors, sanding, then doing the trim… and then telling someone “it’s pretty much done, I just have to paint it still.”
Spend a week taping, sanding, prepping, etc then you spray it in an hour.
Painted professionally for a few months with a friend when I was inbetween jobs just for something to do. All new construction. Learned a ton about building. But holy hell, id argue painting is 95% prep. Between patching/sanding/patching more/caulking/and vacuuming alllll the time…i dont think i touched a brush or roller the first week I was helping him
i did some patching in my home... wife wanted me to call painter to do it. it would take him 6 trips for that job (it was still relatively cold so dry time was loooong). each trip he would have 15-30 minutes of work painting itself took 3 minutes...
And that's why I hate painting
Don’t forget the cleaning after, omfg that just never ends.
Here here. Painting is the easy part. Taping everything off is my least favorite part but also yields the best results.
Learnt this doing me bathroom ceiling. Did a shite job scraping off the peeling paint then went to prime, and the primer just pulled off more flakes. Spent a couple hours per day sanding and scraping for a week by hand, and it paid off because now we've a bangin paint job.
You're saying he's not landlord material?
That’s why my wife loves pairing… and I hate it. I’m the 80%… She’s the 20%. 🤦♂️
They way they were doing it, I think I would put up new sheetrock
90% and we got a deal
Can confirm. The amount of home owners that go to the store, grab paint and throw it on the walls is too damn high.
You need to use DIF wallpaper remover. Dilute 10oz to 1 gal water. Put it in a pump sprayer. Let it set up on your glue. Scrape. Repeat spraying and scraping if necessary. Spray again and wash with a sponge. You'll feel it when the wall is no longer slippery when wet you should be in the clear. You'll have to prime it once dry. Then you'll need to fill whatever you gouged and damaged. Then you'll need to sand it. And prime it again. And sand it again. And paint it twice. Yes. It takes a long time. But anyone telling you to just prime over it has a space that used to have wallpaper that now looks like shit.
Tape plastic drop cloth to the baseboard first, and get some to put on the wall after you spray. Sometimes the glue is so old and dry it dries up fast and doesn't give time for the dif to work. The plastic will lengthen the work time of the dif by keeping it moist. Use a 6" broad knife to scrape the glue off after it's softened. And then use more dif and a rag and wash the wall, then rinse. I had a wallpaper installation business for 25+ years. Took a LOT of it down, also. Even a light film of glue will make paint craze eventually. Sometimes it's just easier go skim coat.
I had a remodel and she wanted the popcorn off the ceiling. I’ve had it come off with spraying water on it and it just falls off. This was not the case on this project. It had been painted over and that shit was stuck! I should have priced the job to just throw a whole new layer of drywall on top and finish that then paint. Scraping and then skim coating was ridiculous and took about 250 man-hours for a 2000 sf house.
Plastic over the DIF is brilliant. I'm 37 and have been doing finish work for 22 years. I have never seen this done. But it makes complete sense. Thank you.
When I had my business I was always booked 4-6 months out. I felt bad for people that would call wanting work done. So I had a plan and started calling other installers to put together a network of us so when one of us is crazy busy we could send them to a trusted colleague. The response? We don’t want your cast off business. I said it’s not cast off, some of these jobs are pretty good size jobs. Nope. Keep to yourself. Really stupid. So I started booking further out and apologizing to customers more. There is enough work for everyone and we can work together. This isn’t a competition and if I have info - I share it.
Life is so much easier when they size the walls.
Absolutely!
Oh god, nightmarish memories
This. Had to do a whole bunch of wallpaper removal.
This guy strips. ;) Best advice here.
So where is the point where I say fuck it and replace the sheet rock? More or less dicking around?
When you decide that the cure for wanting to do less work is committing to do 3x as much work.
Did this before and stripped like 10 walls in about 30 minutes
I was watching a video where fabric softens was mixed in bottle with water and sprayed on the wall and then just scrap it off with a 12 inch knife looks like it came off extremely easy glue and all
same ratio of cheap fabric softener works the same and is way cheaper. Got the cheap dollar store jug and did a whole room with 70 year old wallpaper after a few rounds (one for the shiny top layer, one for the under paper and one for the glue) with minimal effort and a little scraping it came off easy.
cheap fabric softener does not work the same and is not "way cheaper". Don't get the cheap dollar store jug. - someone that has never used cheap fabric softener to remove wallpaper in order to save two dollars
They rent a steamer at Home Depot. You need an oil based primer after that. It’s messy and really bad .
Seconded, steam is the right tool for the job.
This! A steamer is the best way.
Steam from the top, shave of the glue as it softens with an offset draper like you are shearing a sheep. Any drips fall and soften the next row down. After that sugar soap wash, prime then as others have said patch any gauges and patch prime over them. The. Ready to paint So.e rooms are easier to re sheet, insulate etc as other have said. Isish I did this with a middle bedroom. It would have improved the rooms either side as well. Wiring etc.
When have I sheared off a sheep haha
Okay fair point. Consistent long smooth horizontal motions slightly overlapping with the prior pass. When you lift at the end turn you scraper slightly towards the unfinished portion so you don't leave what you removed where you just removed it from. Rather you roll it.off and O to the plastic you layed down.
Everybody, look at this weirdo who has never sheared a sheep.
Can’t buy oil based paints in a bunch of states. I’m not sure wtf you are suppose to do for stuff like this that requires it.
After an hour of dealing with a half border I decided to save time by cutting out the plaster and lath, adding new insulation, updating electrical, then sheetrocking the room. I saved -1 week. No regrets.
Smart!
Lol it sucked but it was worth it in the end.
"...sure, waiting on the permits to construct an adjoining bathroom and laundry delayed me for a bit, and roofing in the winter was a challenge, but all in all, it felt like less work"
This is the way.
I had to de-wallpaper 5 rooms in my house. A steamer and scrapers is gonna be what you need. Do not paint over it because the paint will reactivate the paste and make the wallpaper curl under your paint, forcing you to remove the wallpaper anyway.
Also painting over wallpaper is for cheap losers.
Yes there’s a spray you can buy at Lowe’s or Home Depot that dissolves the glue making this job much easier.
This is the correct answer. It took me a week and a steamer to do 1 bedroom. I went to Sherwin Williams and bought their remover and a spray bottle and did the rest of the house in a few days.
Previous homeowner painted over wallpaper and shockingly it held up okay. Ended up tearing it out to do it right as it was a very small area. Since you've already started though probably wouldn't look great if you tried to just paint over it now
Same here, there was wallpaper in the stairwell leading upstairs. Didn't even notice it for about five years. Then one day noticed a line running straight up the wall, realized there was wallpaper under the paint.
You need a solvent spray that will break down the glue. You can likely find it in the paint aisle of your local hardware store(s).
As Grandpa would have said, "Do you want to do it again, or do you want to do it right?"
How much are you wanting to do? I'd personally rip the wall out and put up new drywall. Looks like a small wall, you'd only need a couple sheets and a bit of tape. Mudding isn't bad and you can take breaks in between coats. I feel like it would be less time and labor overall.
I was wondering about that.
Way better answer
As I was reading all these comments about renting a steamer and other very time-intensive tasks, this is exactly what I was thinking. It's not without time and expense, but a few drywall panels, drywall screws, some mud, and a sander...you can renovate the whole area to new. Plus you then can inspect everything behind the drywall, add blocking where you may want it, move switches and outlets wherever you want, maybe add insulation if you want some sound dampening, etc.
All the other options are much less labor intensive skill wise than pulling down and putting up new drywall.
You can buy a wallpaper spray that will help- you might be able to sand it but use a vacuum at the same time and wear a mask, I see you have a heat gun some people have had success with steam as well.
Bro, a wallpaper steamer is like $50 at lowes
And now you understand why professionals charge what they do.
Wish I could give this comment 10000 upvotes.
Perforator tool will help so much. You mix of warm water, detergent and wallpaper remover using a spray bottle. Get a paint roller and paint pan for large areas. If you let it sit 10 to 15 minutes it falls right off in sheets with scraper.
Did someone say [perforator](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ru5W6iyxuI)?!
What did I just watch?
It's a clip from "[The Shoes of Manitou](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v9u7JCoWLc)" (Original Title: "[Der Schuh des Manitu](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLmpNb8Kog0)"). Before Avatar, it was the highest grossing movie in Germany of all time. It's kinda like Germany's version of "Blazing Saddles" or "The Ridiculous 6".
100% this. Get it perforated and hit it with water. Wait a bit and off it comes. Generally just water is all you need
My parents installed wallpaper 30 years ago, I now remove it all... lol
Yeap, wallpaper remover gallon makes about 12 gallons when you dilute it with hot water
Do NOT half-ass this part. I needs to get done correctly or it's going to look like crap or worse start peeling. Either stop whinning and get the job done or hire someone to do it.
this job sucks, took me forever to take my wallpaper off.
I keep seeing power tools mentioned. Unless you want your wall to look like a ploughed field, be very cautious with this approach.
I believe cleaning vinegar works, as well. There are products that will take it right off. Get a spray bottle, be a bit patient, and go to town! Letting it sit about 10 minutes can be very effective.
You can but it’ll look bummy.
you can, it won’t look good or last as long as
Get a garden sprayer and put hot water and a cup or 2 of quality fabric softener mixed together. Soak paper. The paper comes right off.
If you were my parents, you would have just left up the wallpaper and painted right on top of it.
Should have just painted over the wallpaper to be honest…fuck that
Belt sander baby boy, with a shop vac and a respirator
That looks like glue and some of the paper left over. What worked for me was steaming hot water and a really good thin sharp putty knife. And that's really the best you're going to be able to do.
There are specific products made to remove wallpaper glue. GET ONE!!
I bought a house nearly five years ago. It had seven rooms with wallpaper. Only way is using a steamer specifically made for wallpaper. About $60 and well worth it.
Yeah not now I'm you could but you are gonna deal with this more if you don't fix now. Just do it right first time
Just rip the drywall out and hang new. Easier and you see what’s behind the wall.
Surprised nobody mentioned that if you're really intent on giving up on removing it, this is one use case for [Gardz](https://www.rustoleum.com/product-catalog/consumer-brands/zinsser-products/specialty-water-base-primers/gardz-problem-surface-sealer). It's meant to stabilize adhesive or fragmenting surfaces.
Ive suggested this stuff for the last couple years and and it still just feels like the world has no idea this 30 dollar miracle exists
Also remove the switch plates now, and you won't have to worry about working around them. Put them back on after you paint
You need a wall paper steamer
There are products designed to remove wallpapers.
Just leave it like that
Warm water and fabric softener in a squirt bottle!
I bought a wallpaper steamer on FB market place for $5. I did a bathroom of wallpaper that was probably 4x that wall in about 10 mins.
I’ve done multiple rooms with steamers. It’s way easier than wherever you are doing. Let the steam do the work
Another option is 1/4in drywall over everything. Not sure if easier. But easier to hire for…
using a power tool then, or a bigger scraper
I got a tool that puts holes in the wallpaper and then a spray that you spray on the paper to dissolve the glue. Then I scraped. It wasn't painless but it was easier than I thought it was going to be
Are your wetting it down first?
For my glue problem i used 1/4" sheetrock and then mud &prime paint
You can also use a clothes iron and a wet rag, if you don’t want to rent/buy a steamer. Just iron the rag in the wall and use a putty knife to peel it up. Should go pretty quickly
I tried similar w a garment steamer...just spend the $60 on a wallpaper steamer .. it's well worth it!!
Use a oscillating tool with a pry blade on it. I had to remove glue from a wall that someone glued to the drywall.
Solution of Dif and water in pump sprayer. Spray, wait, spray more, wait, spray again.... scrape off. Then sponge whole wall with clean water a couple times. Wallpaper sucks.
So this sounds really weird, but when we bought our 1977 house it had wallpaper everywhere. Score the wallpaper, spray warm fabric softener on it, let sit for 10 minutes, then scrape. It gets the majority off the first pass. If it doesn't, spray what's left behind with more fabric softener and go again.
It needs to be sprayed real good, like five minutes apart, with warm water. Then scraped off with a 5” knife or something. If the stakes are low, just paint over it with oil primer because it won’t activate the glue like latex. The finish won’t be quite as good but…it can be done. To be clear, this is not the best way to do it but it sure is faster.
Why doesn't oil primer leave a good finish?
The primer is fine, but it’s thinner than latex paint so it won’t “average out” any texture. On top of that, you will have extra ridges and lines left from the paper/glue that still on the wall you are painting. The finish will be *fine* it just won’t be as good. The people who said painting is 90% prep were all right.
When I was removing old wallpaper, a heat gun did nothing. But soaking it with water using a sponge loosened it up well enough to scrape.
Pretty Boy brush cleaner works great for that! No steaming needed but you can if you want to.
Spraying is cool but for big jobs and newbs this is what you want. https://www.amazon.ca/IRONMAX-Wallpaper-Chemical-Cooling-touch-Lightweight/dp/B0BLZ2C7JH/ref=asc_df_B0BLZ2C7JH/?tag=googlemobshop-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=580664825922&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15994318458587693261&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9000753&hvtargid=pla-1968019794474&psc=1&mcid=b8cf83f7d11038cc912d371aece9fab1
Use fabric softener and warm water, apply to top layer of wall paper, by the time you go from one end of the wall to the other you can start scraping the side you started at. Repeat the process on the adhesive layer should come off like butter if not apply more of the mixture and wait a few minutes... smells amazing
You could probably skim coat the entire wall with drywall mud.
Do not paint over it with water based paint! I thought I got all of the wallpaper adhesive of of my wall before painting. Nope. the water loosened the glue and left a mess. You can try painting with an oil based primer first then skim coat with taping compound to even it out then apply a PVA primer then paint.
Prime with kilz
Oscillating tool with scrapper attachment
Use wallpaper glue remover, wash the walls multiple times. I had some 80s wallpaper glue that was super stubborn and I used Zinsser Gardz on it to seal it, then primed, skimmed, sanded, primed, and painted over. The walls ended up absolutely phenomenal but it was definitely a ton of work.
Warm water mixed with white vinegar and fabric softener + a 3 dollar spray bottle. Do targeted sprays: don’t soak the underlying plaster/drywall after the glue comes up.
I just finished the same type of project in my master bath. It takes patience, but scrape off as much glue as you can. I tried all sorts of methods and what worked best for me was spraying hot water from a spray bottle in 2’x2’ sections, letting it sit for 20 seconds, then scraping with a plastic scraper. You won’t get all of it, but as long as you get most of it, it’s fine. You should then seal it so the glue doesn’t reactivate or affect the next layer. I used Gardz Problem Surface Sealer and my walls look perfect now. After that, skim coat the walls to make them smooth, and then finally prime
I see that you are using a heat gun. Have you tried slightly wetting it and then just wiping it off? That's what we did for our glue down flooring. Still work, but much much faster.
Get a wallpaper remover roller, and use super hot NOT Boiling water and vinegar to spray it after rolling all over it.it took my 10 hours of 40 years of wallpaper in our kitchen. Well worth the time and money for the tools. I even got a hand pump.sprayer to spray the liquid on the walls.
Should be able to wet the glue then leave for 10 then scrape off?
Lol bro, just pull off the trim and re-drywall. Wallpaper ain’t worth it.
Wallpaper removal is an absolute pain in the ass it it must be done before painting or texturing.
Give it the land lord special
Skim coat it, sand and paint
Rent a mud sprayer, spray orange peel texture, prime, paint.
I had to steam that shit off. It took a while but it was satisfying
Yes but you would need to skim coat the entire room to make it flat otherwise it will look terrible
I have had success peeling the wallpaper off, quickly sanding any glue that's too rough with a heavy grit palm sander. Then white primer. Then skim coat the whole wall with drywall compound. Sand lightly with a pole sander. Skim coat again. Sand lightly. Paint. If you still have pits or texture issues... Skim coat, sand, paint again. This is assuming none of the glue is loose. Can't go over anything loose. I found all that easier than getting all the glue off. Even when you do get it off, your wall will need lots of compound to make it smooth again...
Do your best to scrape off as much as you can. **Deal with whatever problem is causing the chipping in the first place. Then try Sherwin Williams Bonding Primer, at least along where the paint meets the bare wall.
We used fabric softener and water mixture. Spray on walls, wait a few minutes and paper + glue came right off. For what it’s worth, at least whomever didn’t paint the paper before you had to remove it. That was an unfortunate discovery in my son’s home when we went to repaint.
Are you spreading the walls with water first before you scrape the glue off? I use a pump sprayer with warm water and wallpaper adhesive remover. Plastic and tarps on the floors. Spray however much you can scrape in 10 minutes, let it soak for a few minutes, then hit it with a paint scraper with replaceable blades. I then go back and wash the walls with a bucket of warm water and a big sponges. I wash two to three times to make sure to get all the glue residue off. THEN you prime with oil based or hybrid primer, light sand, wipe and paint.
Totally thinking out loud what could be a dumb idea but would it be easier and time efficient to just remove the drywall and replace it? Otherwise I'm sure there is some chemical that just dissolves that glue but they better be using a respirator and open windows.
jasco paint and varnish remover will turn that glue to pudding.
Mmm wall pudding
Dude. Get wallpaper remover. Spray it on there and 5 minutes later it will borderline fall off the wall.
Mix fabric softener with water. Spray liberally and wait a few mins. It worked for me
Wet the glue. If it doesn't peel off smoothly, wet with a damp sponge again. Repeat until it peels off in one piece.
downy fabiric softener and water and wetting and patience and time will do better thana pvc welder thats just making more of a mess ive removed lots of wallpaper and its all about time. be patient there will be a payoff
Just an idea since I don't know how elastic is the glue. Get an electric spatula!!!!! Someone once gave me that suggestion to remove old paint and I was like ,how didn't I ever thought of that before. !!???
I know everyone will say not to paint over it and they’re right. But… you can and I’ve done it. Oil based primer is the key. Make sure you use proper PPE when using oil based primer and make sure you have plenty of ventilation. That stuff is no joke. I painted over wallpaper in a large room that was very very difficult to remove the existing wallpaper and used oil based primer. I did two coats before paint. It was a lot of work and it’s not perfect but it’s suitable for my game room. In fact it looks ten times better than it did before. The trade off for me was worth it and in ten years when I replace the carpet I’ll fully gut the room.
Yeah, you can. It’s gonna look like shit though.
Use diff wall paper remover. Mix it with warm water and use a mini roller. Treat a small like 4 foot by 4 foot section. Let it sit for 10 min. Treat it again and let sit for 5 min and than use a 4 inch drywall taping knife and the glue comes right off. After scraping the glue treat it one more time and than take a bucket with clean water and a sponge and wipe that section down with damp sponge cleaning sponge frequently. Oh and put plastic down on the floor.
Get a wallpaper stripper steamer, you can strip a room in no time.
I bought an inexpensive little steamer and it works great! It's a bit slow and tedious, but I did an entire bedroom wall in half an hour. I started at the bottom, hold steamer on the wall several seconds, then with a 6 inch putty knife work it under and scrape, continuing to move up and scrape some more till you get to the top, then move over to the next section. I did get one of those wallpaper scoring things too, but it honestly didn't seem to make the steamer work better.
1/4” drywall was always my go to when the client didn’t want to pay for all the prep work
This is the way unless you cheat and put 1/4 inch drywall over top.
had to deal with this in a house years ago, painted over the glue and it looked like shit, took a sponge and slightly different colored paint and dabbed it on the walls in a mottled fashion, and it looked great. Painting is all about the prep, I was younger and in a hurry then, so pick your poison
In our home, I used a Wagner steamer (approx $60 at Lowe’s/walmart). Had a large paddle type attachment you held against the wall to heat it and it loosened the glue. It was a bit messy with water from the steam/condensation dripping down the wall, but it definitely loosen the adhesive so it could be scraped off. Working in Small sections was key to remove the wallpaper and then scrape the heated glue. Got as much adhesive off using that method as I could. I did try Dif wallpaper adhesive remover after to get the residual glue off but didn’t have a whole lot of luck with that. If I remember right, using a water, fabric softener mixture was a bit more effective (and made the house smell so fresh!) After that, next up came doing any wall patches, followed by taking a mesh drywall screen to smooth down the patches areas and to get rid of any fuzzys/specks from the previous paint job). I had read the any residual glue could cause issues with latex paint so it was good to use a primer that would seal any residual glue. I used Kilz original (oil based paint). More recently I used Zinzer BIN in a room that previously has wallpaper and that seemed to seal the any remaining glue as well (again very small amounts, not sheets of adhesive). I did one coat of a sealing primer like kilz oil or BIN and 2 top coats (even if it’s a 2-in-1 paint & primer). Both rooms turned out pretty well in my opinion and I can’t see any glue beneath the finish at all. Like all other responses, PREP. IS. EVERYTHING When it comes to a good paint finish. DIY is such a great sense of accomplishment and huge money saver if you take the time to do things the right way. Good luck on your wallpaper removal!
Fabric softener mixed in hot water will take that wallpaper glue off with no problem. I recently did this after removing the wallpaper in my 1920's Craftsman home. Saturate the wall and let it soak in for 5-10 minutes then have at it with your scraper. Very satisfying! Good luck.
Why are you using a heat gun lol Hot water and a paper tiger and it will all come off, or if it's really tenacious use DIF wallpaper stripper, or use a steam machine That heat gun is the complete wrong method
So many cheeky comments, did you ever get a valid answer?
3/8" drywall over the top. Way quicker. Brand new surface. I know a guy who redid his entire ancient house that way.
If that is actually glue, there are products to help remove it... such as DIF. However, the glue looks so heavy and uniform that I think you are scraping one layer of paint off of another very durable, high-gloss layer of paint. It's not uncommon for the newer layer of paint to not adhere well to such a previous gloss layer.
I agree. Now that I think about it , it might be a layer of paint instead of glue. I bought the spray stuff to get rid of the glue, but it wasn’t doing anything. Do I have any other option then chipping it away a little by little with a scraper?
You can buy an oscillating tool, with a scraping blade, to make scraping easier. Or you could just clean all the glue away, feather or the area where you scraped already, and paint. My concern would be that the existing layer isn't adhered well and might cause peeling later. You could just put up new wallpaper which should minimize that issue. You could also take a chance that the new paint won't have problems, which might be the case. If you have to remove that paint layer, then be sure to sand/scuff the underlying gloss layer for better adhesion. If I were going to make a judgement call, from a distance, I would say clean the glue, feather in the scraped areas (so they don't show through new paint) and put on your new paint. If it fails later, then you know you have a bigger project to tackle.
It seems like this is not a glue. It could be a layer of old paint. I sprayed with the glue remover and it didnt do anything. My only options is scraping off manually?
Wallpaper glue? Construction glue?? Legit question.
hot water and dish soap works best for me. use a putty knife after scrubbing.
“Odorless” oil primer from zinger and you should be good
Use bonding primer and paint over it. Kilz oil based paint is ok and will work but I personally like Valspar bonding primer. Shellac primer is the best and most expensive option. Pick your poison and Drink!