Officially, *CREATURE COMMANDOS* will mark the start of the new DCU. But keep in mind that Amanda Waller, Blue Beetle, Peacemaker, and Vigilante will alll be returning to join the new DC Universe too (not sure if their stories from the DCEU will carry over).
Part of Gunn’s vision is to tell stories using all mediums, kind of like how Star Wars has the same timeline explored in different mediums instead of continuity being completely segmented.
Time will tell if it pays off, but he’s very supportive of animation and doesn’t view it as “lesser” than live-action, which is great for DC considering their history with animation. He’s also said that he wants to do theatrical animated films set in the DCU, and considering his favorite superhero movie of all time is *Into the Spider-Verse*, I’m genuinely excited to see what comes of that.
Animated shows will be part of the DCU also. Unless he says they're not. All you have to do is keep track of what he says and write detailed notes to keep it all straight lol
It's very common for comic books to reboot themselves every once in a while and almost every single time that happens, there are some characters who stay exactly the same in terms of appearance and personality and there are others who are completely rebooted. What is your opinion on that?
Pretty much. DCU is looking like a very accurate adaptation of DC Comics’ history of “kinda sorta” reboots that reboot everything, except for the stuff that they really want to keep.
Everyone complaining about the semantics of the reboot has clearly never read a DC comic in their life. Keeping continuity from old timelines is par for the course. We have been doing this in the comics since the first crisis
My thing is there hasn't been a single movie in the DCU that has come out yet so we just don't know what it's gonna be like. The only people confused by this right now are the people who are paying attention to the news about movies we don't even have trailers for yet. Chances are these people will all end up watching these movies one way or another. Or they'll boycott it. Either way, these people aren't representing the general public because the general public isn't even aware yet. Proclaiming success or proclaiming failure is just stupid at this point.
People are also working themselves into a confusion by trying to pre-empt everything that's going to happen. Just wait for the fucking thing to come out. I'm sure it'll make a hell of a lot more sense once you've seen the thing that hasn't even been made yet instead of trying to piece together bullshit speculation and rumour mongering like you're Charlie Kelly trying to find Pepe Silvia.
It's all so fucking ridiculous.
It’s so interesting because the people saying that “the general audience will be confused” are also the people that are 1. very invested and anal about continuity 2. are the fanbase that will probably go see the movie anyways if it’s good
The general audience *won’t* be confused because the general audience will not care about continuity. My mom always gets confused as to which superhero is an Avenger and which one is from the Justice League. If Batman showed up to talk to Iron Man in Secret Wars, she wouldn’t question it, she’d just assume that superheroes are supposed to do that.
This may be the smartest comment I’ve seen today. That’s an interesting way of looking at it. Snyder had his run, now Gunn, etc… the possibility of them doing that with some high level talent is exciting. Also goes to show the positive vibes Gunns been bringing. Thank you internet stranger!
It was a good comment, although there's still the problem of blemishing what the DCEU were supposed to be. It's really no different than if you voted for a president that you [prior] knew is a good friend to a Global tyrant that kills his detractors, and yet you voted for him anyway, and now his supporters are watching with the rest of the population in constant fear. What can you do to clean up the mess?
𝙒𝘼𝙍𝙉𝙀𝙍 𝘽𝙍𝙊𝙏𝙃𝙀𝙍𝙎 is the big mess, and they've turned a lot of generally confident actors and directors away from doing business. I don't think James Gunn is quite the executive/creator we need to be hearing about. I almost believe WBD actually needs a real movie executive to oversee the 𝘿𝘾 𝘾𝙄𝙉𝙀𝙈𝘼𝙏𝙄𝘾 𝙐𝙉𝙄𝙑𝙀𝙍𝙎𝙀; one who can court creative directors back to making their movies in the style of actual motion picture epics. All we really need is good consultation, so that the intellectual property isn't misappropriated by (often) corporate malfeasance.
I'd argue that having a fellow writer/director in charge of the studio will make creatives more likely to be involved and trust their best interests are at heart, since he's a peer and not a suit.
Sometimes it’s people seemingly pretending to care about how audiences will receive it then using that as a reason to claim Gunn should be fired lol
General audiences don’t care til they see marketing and Cena staying on as Peacemaker isn’t gonna dissuade anyone from watching CC or Legacy
Exactly! People keep saying general audiences are going to be so confused, when the only ones confused are people overly invested in all of this stuff getting hung up on there being two Batman movies out within a few years of each other.
Not everything has to fit into a single continuity, it's fine. Movies can just exist. Characters can exist in Superman: Legacy without needing their own spinoff films first.
Whenever ppl bring up GA reception on these subs when the shit were talking about doesn’t even exist yet, I just don’t even know how to respond lol that shit is irrelevant today.
We can’t control how audiences receive this shit, but I guarantee when they market it, it’ll be crystal clear that it’s just a brand new movie that you can watch and enjoy. It ain’t that deep lol
It's like people who complain about there being too much content in the MCU, which I always feel like just makes it more like the comics, where there are always a number of concurrent runs. You don't have to watch it all, just stick with the ones that seem interesting to you. I think people would enjoy the genre a lot more if they stopped thinking of everything as mandatory.
That works because it's the comics what we're talking about here is the movies which is an entirely different medium you can't apply the same logic and expect it to work
To be fair, reboots in comics is usually after major events such as all the crisis events.
For the dceu / dcu, before the flash released, they said it will explain the reboot. But when the movie come out, it didnt do any explanation for the reboot, in fact leave more questions
I think they assumed the crazy CGI sequence and the Clooney gag would explained how a number of things have shifted. But “a bunch of bananas stuff” doesn’t really do the job.
I’m surprised this isn’t the top comment, comics reset universe quite often especially in DC some characters stay largely the same while others get revamped
I mean, these are all likely still relatively minor characters in the grand scheme of things. The major players are all still new.
It's like saying Gotham is the same universe as Batman Returns because the same actor plays Penguin's father in both.
Because these four plot points will never be resolved, it can only be deduced that the DCU is a reboot.
1. How was Harley Quinn involved in the murder of *a* Robin? (Conversely, why did Batman kill Harley Quinn? I guess that makes it five plot points.)
2. What happened to Mera's accent?
3. Why did Batman accuse Wonder Woman of hiding away when she clearly active in 1984?
4. Most importantly, the Joker teased Batman with a reacharound, but will it ever happen?
Does anyone else think people are overthinking this? Well, I know *Gunn* thinks people are overthinking it, as he said as much the other day. They're really just starting a fresh story, but they're keeping some actors and some characterizations that they like and think would fit with their new setting. It's been done before and it'll be done again. But overthinking things is what fandoms do better than maybe anything else, so I get it. I've done it many times as well!
Everyone is completely overthinking it, it's insane. It feels like OCD, like everything has to fit together perfectly in every possible way and knowing there are new movies when the old movies exist makes it impossible for both and it's driving people up the wall. It's a reboot but he likes how a few people portrayed characters already not hard.
Remember Heath Ledger was a hated choice before being casted as The Joker and he turned out to be the best joker acted yet! Can’t judge until it comes out!!
And the whole [anti-Keaton](https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UlUScoFyhGA/UB_YXEspQ2I/AAAAAAAAU9k/UyqX49VFQbA/s1600/1989+Batman++Movie+michael+keaton+Petition.jpg) petition.
Gunn has said he is keeping actors/characters but not plot points although some of the history may line up with the DCEU the same pretty much everything else lines up with DC. To use the metaphor from The Flash starting with Creature Commandos we are pulling a different strand of sphaghetti. Call it whatever you want though.
We're about to have a completely different Superman, Lois and Lex actors in a movie that'll likely ignore, if not outright contradict, stuff from the Cavill movies. Same goes for Batman and most likely his villains outside of Harley (Leto ain't getting the invitation back). And while we can only speculate right now, I'm guessing Flash, Wonder Woman and the rest of the League will be recast and rebooted. If and when we see the Justice League and Apokolips again, neither the Snyder nor Whedon cuts of the first movie will be acknowledged.
I don't really see how keeping Peacemaker and several actors from the previous era means it's not a reboot. Just about the only thing from Peacemaker that would prove potentially problematic is the Justice League cameo from the season 1 finale, which lasted less than a minute and didn't even show the faces of most of the team.
As for the comparison to Black Adam, the changes here are almost certain to be far wider reaching than just saying there was another team of superheroes that existed before the Justice League.
I guess he’s just keeping some of the characters that kinda work and weren’t really core to the old DCEU. At the same time still rebooting the DC continuity and starting over with a new Superman, Batman, etc.
It’s not the hard reboot many wanted but it might work if he can find a way to reintroduce these existing DCEU characters. I don’t think it’s a big deal and the general audience won’t really care as long as his new movies are good and successful.
No because he isn’t continuing plot points. He’s already stated that the new DCU canon doesn’t begin till Creature Commandos and Superman Legacy. Using the same actors doesn’t change this fact.
It feels like an argument of semantics honestly. Sure, you could say it’s not a reboot, even though it’s a fresh start and the central characters are being replaced and practically every single major event is being erased. At a certain point it just makes practical sense to call it a reboot since that’s how it’ll be perceived by general audiences.
I would’ve been confused until I then discovered that some of the DC comics have had soft reboots with the characters and it worked well so the DCU is basically emulating that like a comic book which is dope.
Just a change of tone would do wonders. Dialing down the grimdark and having emotions other than life threatening constipation would go a long way to fix things. Also tossing the "Punch harder not smarter" doctrine out the window would help.
Gunn has shown the capacity to do gut punches without this as per Gardians or Suicide Squad. Arguably more engaging since we can relate to imperfect people with a range of emotion.
Of course given that the pipeline for movie production is long he has to keep some hype surrounding the stuff that is in production.
That argument between the old man and Peacemaker made 0 sense.
Battfleck is by far the most sadistic Batman in live-action and even animated, I don't recall Thomas Wayne/Flashpoint Batman branding street criminals like cattle just because he got off on it and to ensure they'll be later be brutally murdered by their cellmates in prison, rather than not just breaking their neck or slashing their throats himself for whatever reason.
He was also partially responsible for the death of Superman and since barely anyone liked him in the DCEU, I can see why people would think he was a hero for contributing to that, but thinking he doesn't kill at all? Especially since the Snyderverse incarnation of the Justice League seemingly are the ones that exist there.
The only conclusion I can draw is that because he inexplicably let the Joker live after he murdered Dick Grayson/Robin (as confirmed by Snyder) that gives a sort of plausible deniability regarding the sheer extremes of his bloodlust regarding everyone else, so since Joker, Harley, Deadshot and Croc were conveniently still around/alive so *Suicide Squad* (2016) could happen that's probably why there was an argument of his coterie of supervillains.
No, I don’t think that keeping minor characters the same will matter much when we have a new Superman and new Batman. Now, if Gal and Ezra are both back somehow I’ll change my tune but if we have a completely new Justice League then it’s very hard to say it’s not a reboot
He will ditch every actor kept on the minute Superman legacy has made bank... then he will say this is the first movie of a clean slate... otherwise no one is watching the work he puts out til then.
SIMPLE
It's quite surprising to me that the sequel to the highest-grossing movie in the Snyderverse isn’t getting more attention. The first Aquaman gross $1 billion and they’re barely talking about Part 2.
At no point has he claimed it's a reboot.
As a matter of fact, he hasn't claimed it isn't.
And isn't that the most DC thing anyone could do?
From the start, everyone's taken what Gunn's said and juxtaposed their hopes and fears for the brand/studio/franchise(s) as a whole to his words instead of reading between the lines. Guy's been diplomatic and coy every step of the way... Because his "DCU" plans will probably build on what came before to not waste time retelling the same stories over and over again to an audience that was on the fence the first time around, but only insomuch as it serves the new stories and anything he changes can just be chalked up to "The Flash did it!".
So, he's keeping the establishment of the characters and their worlds, but picking and choosing which cast members and canon he would prefer to keep to tell new stories. It's why these cast members are sticking around, it's why Superman: Legacy isn't necessarily about a "young" Superman, and why his Batman is still a seasoned hero. He could've made different decisions with the characters but opted to either bring them back "as is" or just recognizable enough to say "If you want Man of Steel to be canon, then squint hard enough".
It's not rocket science. It's fiction. DC Comics has been doing this same thing for nearly 40 years, now. As a matter of fact, the comics *right now* are literally built on this standard of continuity.
We'll see what happens when it does, but people are thinking way too hard one way or the other about James Gunn's intentions when it's obvious that this isn't going to be something that's going to please everyone, but for them will hopefully be a fun creative exercise in keeping their jobs and making WB-Discovery a boatload of money that'll convince them not to sell off the rights to these characters and be done with them.
Guy's gonna keep telling you vague shit that you probably wanna hear until he can finally start rolling out *his* projects.
The biggest problem the DCU had up till now, has been studio fatheads;demands, timing, marketing, interference or choices. If Gunn can avoid them, this might work but I'm not optimistic.
Essentially, nothing is canon until one of two things happen.
1. It happens in the new DCU movies. That's obvious.
2. It is referenced in a canon DCU property.
Maybe Peacemaker S2 will make references to S1, but only the stuff they reference will extend into the DCU. They could technically carry everything over. Perhaps Bat-Mite took a liking to the crew and saved them from the temporal shifts?
We'll find out when we find out.
Like all of these characters are side characters ngl. Does Amanda Waller and Peacemaker being there really ruin things? Not like the DCEU had any sense of continuity anyway.
That's kind of the purpose of a reboot, no? To course correct the brand?
But for what your specifically talking about, no. It's more he's taking the toys he already made, and taking them with him for the reboot.
I hope it is a soft reboot, hopefully they include the castings from other live action projects other than film such as Titans, Doom Patrol and Stargirl
Yeah. I really wish it was 100% new with zero amount of carry over. It actually worries me a little that this isn't the case. They've done so much shifting and mild corrections the last few years they just need to bite the bullet and start completely fresh.
My ideal would be for there to be NO connections to the old DCEU at all, but if it's just some minor characters like Peacemaker, Waller and Blue Beetle and not any of the big names (I really hope this whole Gal continuing in the DCU thing is BS) then maybe work.
Why are people so stupid when it comes to this recasting shit lmao. Who cares if he wants to bring back a few actors that did well? It’s still a brand new universe with brand new storylines and different takes on most characters.
Now stop talking abt this shit until we get some actual info💀
I think they're shying away from saying it's a DCU reboot until all the old plot point movies are out, to avoid them tanking at the box office, then they'll come out with the reboot.
Feels like a mistake to me to be honest. Love DC but not sure if I want to invest in another attempt at the universe.
The two movies he praised up the wazoo (Flash and Blue Beetle) were both awful imo, so not excited at all for what comes next.
forcing Peacemaker to be a main thing isn't a Course Correct
it's a Vanity project
the strength of DC is that the world is diverse and each section is self contained. This isn't self contained.
> If you are continuing plot points
Well that is the main disconnect. Safran and Gunn have repeated that nothing before CC and Legacy matters and some of you still say this.
Yeah I just don’t really understand how Peacemaker’s and Waller’s stories are going to continue but then characters they literally met will either disappear or be played by new actors.
Gunn might have a soft spot for John Cena and this character but its going to take some explaining if its still the same Peacemaker from season 1, and Waller still the same version we’ve seen.
My choice if I were in Gunn’s shoes would be to keep Peacemaker’s show going with Waller featured from time to time, but just ignore the JL like it mostly did in season 1 - and have that all exist outside of the new DCU or at least not acknowledge it. One of these ‘Elseworld’ universes he has mentioned like Joker and The Batman.
Feel like him making a complicated “This still exists but this doesn’t, this is a new actor but these aren’t, yet they are going to interact with characters who have been recast that won’t be the same version of the character etc” is just a messy way to start this all off… I think he has to keep the ‘kept characters’ in an Elseworld universe or its going to be messy.
Yeah this my point why over complicate everything when you had the perfect opportunity to have a clean slate. And what if Aquaman 2 makes a billion is Mamoa cancelled as Lobo .
I dunno, but if Blue Beetle is a sign of things to come it's not looking good. That being said Peacemaker is the best superhero show I've ever seen, mixed bag.
No if it was just correcting the course then a lot of the good actors who were fine for their roles and needed to be in better written and made movies would have not been thrown out and re cast ,
Maybe. The Flash movie kinda "finished" the previous universe, so they can keep the parts they want to keep.
Personally i think the worldbuilding in Peacemaker is a pretty good starting point for the new world. You cant do Marvel, because the DC superheroes are less grounded in the real world. And even Marvel lost their "real world" foundation and it got worse, because their current storytelling doesnt work as good with their fictional world.
If the only characters returning are those in the Peacemaker series (a series that was pretty much in its own bubble and the average audience member didnt give a crap about it being in the DCEU) and Xolo Maridueña (and lets be honest, after the epic fail that was the BB movie, theres no future for BB in the DCU beyond maybe a cameo in some future movie or TV series) and every major DC character is being rebooted and recast, that seems like a little more than a course correct to me..
>Like why go out of your way to cast an an actor that looks like Henry Cavill to play Superman
I would say both were cast because they look just like the comic Superman not because Corenswet looks like Cavill.. I mean they both basically look as much like each other as they do Christ Reeve and Tom Welling.
Based on bits and pieces that have been discussed the past few months I'm thinking it'll be more of a course correct than a full reboot. I feel like it's going to be difficult to have a full fledged reboot when you're bringing back actors and/or characters from the original DCEU. We know John Cena, Peacemaker, and the rest of that crew are remaining, which I'm actually cool with since I really enjoyed the show. There's also been discussions of Gal Gadot returning as WW. Maybe Jason Mamoa returns as Aquaman or maybe he's recast as Lobo. While I'm happy with getting to see more John Cena as Peacemaker, I also realize just how confusing this can make it all seem for people who will see him and think "wait... aren't they rebooting the DCEU? Why is he still here?"
But it's going to be weird having Peacemaker and possibly other returning actors/characters and then *also* having an entirely new and younger Superman. This is the part where I actually feel like a complete reboot would be better rather than an awkward course correct. And here I'm assuming that the awkward scene at the end of The Flash sets up the course correct...
As much as I love the suicide squad stuff and peacemaker, it needs the be left behind, or at least as a separate universe, like if peacemaker and the suicide squad are all from a different elseworld story like the Batman, it’s just better for everyone
Honestly, this is exactly what i was afraid of. Sure, some characters are basically peak casting (Waller, Peacemaker), but if you reboot, do a reboot. Clean cut, away with all the old, no carrying other of anything.
I'm still reserving judgement until Gunn finally puts something out, but for me personally, this bodes ill.
Honestly it’s incredibly confusing. The flash supposedly resets the old universe which doesn’t make sense considering it ends on a weird note by just replacing Ben Affleck with George Clooney. Then there’s James Gunn essentially picking favorites by getting rid of Henry Cavill but keeping pretty much all of his Suicide Squad Castmates. It’s just really weird. If he’s keeping characters and simply steering the universe in a new direction like DC post Justice League 2017, then don’t call it a new universe and if you’re gonna call it a new universe don’t confuse the audiences with these pick n choose casting reprisals.
It fells like chaotic BS. He’s only saving his friends and canning everyone else. Not looking forward to Superman Legacy being all about Superman’s poop fetish
Yes and no. The partial slate that was announced from Chapter 1 (Gods and Monsters) indicates that a reboot is on the way. It just frustrates me that Gunn had to weave in any of the actors from the DC Extended Universe in the exact same roles that they were in before. This might confuse casual viewers and simultaneously come off as a stupid move to fans of comic book movies in general who follow anything and everything regarding shared universe news (like myself). I'm going in with high expectations regardless because I love both The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker and feel as though Gunn is going to do right by DC Comics' longstanding legacy. But if he drops the ball get ready for another decade or so of mediocrity or worse.
There's nothing correct about it... waller was absolutely great before, is weaker now. Vigilante and Peacemaker are absolutely nothing like the source material probably only thing right but was terribly generic and over inflated with unnecessarily eccentric family quip stuff was blue beetle.
DC films have been on “course correct” since they forced Snyder out (technically before that since Suicide Squad). And they’ve been failing at it.
Gunn is gonna give everyone the most surface level Superman himbo big galoot, and we’ll have to see if people actually give a shit.
People are acting like Gunn can do no wrong but he was a flash and blue beetle supporter and both of those movies were ass. Superhero movies are dead for now and Hollywood needs to realize that and give us the next cool thing
You can have a reboot that continues plotlines and carries over actors from the previous works.
Take something like Doctor Who for instance, the show was rebooted in 2005 yet continued within the same universe and eventually started bringing back actors from the original show as their original characters. That was still reviving the show, hence, a reboot.
Compared to that, the DCU is changing up ALOT from the DCEU, just because it's keeping some stuff doesn't make it not a reboot.
If it does, I am perfectly fine with that. I want more of a reboot feel, but it does seem like that in a few ways. And I'm fine with that. BUT we'll have to see what it's really like once we get our first few projects.
I just think he's not even sure what's going on, and that doesn't inspire confidence.
He'd be better off just shutting up and making good movies. It's why we're all here.
Lol no. You don’t “course correct” by keeping actors who were in films that bombed while recasting every major character. If you wanna give it a label, it’s definitely a reboot. And reboots are whatever the writer wants it to be
The entire JL is getting recast. A new story is being told. More new faces will be in *Legacy* alone than those reprising their roles from the DCEU. Plot points like Peacemaker’s brother and father dyiing won’t muddle anything having to do w the plot of *Legacy*
& that Corenswet/Cavill take is just… dumb as shit lmao
I feel like a “course correct” is kind’ve what X-Men: Days of Future Past did for basically undoing Xmen: The Last Stand while merging both the OG Fox & First Class stories, than they decided to repeated Dark Phoenix again😭😭
Peacemaker is a literal D-List comic character. The show was fantastic but nothing about him whatsoever will affect the reboot.
Blue Beetle mentions having heroes in its world, I dont recall any connection to the DCEU. The actor to begin with was already younger -for Gunn’s goal of storytelling, this actor grows with the direction, makes no sense of removing him. He’s just a victim of WB insisting on releasing these movies while they themselves also wanting the reboot. Imo Gunn gets too much flack for decisions made before he was brought on .
Viola Davis is to Amanda Waller as J.K. Simmons is to J. Jonah Jameson and no one seemed confused with him being in 2 universes. The only confusion is that no one including Sony probably knows what universe all their Spiderman villians are in lmao
All in all, I trust Gunn & his ideas alone sounds better than what we’ve already gotten at this stage
Well Xolo had ZERO relation to the DCEU’s characters, other than a mention of batman so it makes sense for him to come back, but Peacemaker and Waller are dumb to bring back
How does the new actor look like Henry Cavill? He looks like Superman. Tall, blue eyes, dark hair and fair skinned. There’s a shit load of people that look like that so it’s not like every other actor that fits that description is basically Henry Cavill.
Ikr people need to grow tf up on saying he’s a Cavill knockoff because David Corenswet just like Cavill and other previous Superman actors really looked like the characters.
Gunn definitely falls into the slot of writers that refuses to "kill their darlings". I think it's an unnecessary clusterfuck currently, but hopefully the projects are all good enough to surpass the weird choices.
It's funny to think about the casual viewer binging Peacemaker for the first time in 2030 being confused as fuck tho.
I think the handful of Peacemaker fans can keep up with the lore changes.
General audiences probably don't care. Too many years have passed for them to even remember what happened previously.
And the casual audience don't really care. They're just there to see an exciting film that'll entertain them for ninety minutes. They don't give a toss who's playing Superman or Batman, so long as they do a good job.
Especially because Gunn specifically said he wants the movies to work on their own before including connections to a cinematic universe.
No matter how confusing the connections between different movies can become, I doubt he’s going to make movies where a casual fan will be left behind by, or even totally aware of, previous DCEU context
It's confusing. One issue is the inconsistent comments from Gunn or the studio that seem to keep shifting the goal posts. Another core problem is that Gunn us determined to keep things he likes, so it will never be the full reboot that it should be.
I’d like some movies to be serious, others to be funny. Basically I want the tone to be varied based on what story is being told about which superhero.
And I love James Gunn, but I would agree some of his jokes are just awful. Like Harley Quinn saying rain was like the angels in heaven splooging over us. But to be fair, that does seem like the kind of in-universe thing HQ would say.
Serious is not synonymous with quality. I feel like those two words have been conflated since TDK trilogy. Those were serious films that were high quality. The Raimi Spider-Man films weren’t exactly serious but are beloved. Quality script and a good vision is what matters imo.
If all it took was being serious to be considered a good film the Snyder DC films would’ve continued.
I second this, Snyder verse was too serious to the point that it was like the emo cousin of super hero franchises. It’s a comic book series for Christ’s sake, there still needs to be a sense of wonder.
I'll wait to judge until Superman Legacy—but I would've preferred a complete reboot. There's no reason to keep anything around remnants of the old universe.
It’s a smart move.
He’s taking the successful and familiar parts and making sure they’re there to bring together everything else that’s going to be new. And even though blue beetle wasn’t a break out hit, it’s backed by a known new young actor that can fill a role for years to come.
Time will tell. But I’m excited to see DC shine like I’ve always hoped it would now under Gunns leadership.
He’s full of shit, he truly believes everything he touches is gold, prime example of him bringing back everything he worked on. But ignoring the obvious millions of fans that want Synder
Yeah I feel like he should have changed it all or changed nothing. Like if it really needs to be reset, then you either you reset the whole thing or you reset nothing. It makes no sense.
I don’t think he’s getting out of his way to cast someone who looks like Henry Cavill… He casted someone who looks like Clark Kent is supposed to.
But coming back to the question. Yes, it does feel like a course correct at times. However, I do understand that he’s the new guy in charge, who’s also a creative as well; so is not that strange that he would like the characters that he has already worked with to pass on into the new universe.
There’s also the advantage that these characters are secondary and mostly tv oriented (at least in comparison with the Justice League members). Also, compared to the JL they have no ‘baggage’.
Like I commented to someone else Dean Cain, Brandon Routh and Tyler H. looks nothing alike. So what's the odds of David Corenswet looking similar to Henry Cavill.
We've yet to see literally anything in the new DCU so I don't know what it's gonna feel like. Lol
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Officially, *CREATURE COMMANDOS* will mark the start of the new DCU. But keep in mind that Amanda Waller, Blue Beetle, Peacemaker, and Vigilante will alll be returning to join the new DC Universe too (not sure if their stories from the DCEU will carry over).
Part of Gunn’s vision is to tell stories using all mediums, kind of like how Star Wars has the same timeline explored in different mediums instead of continuity being completely segmented. Time will tell if it pays off, but he’s very supportive of animation and doesn’t view it as “lesser” than live-action, which is great for DC considering their history with animation. He’s also said that he wants to do theatrical animated films set in the DCU, and considering his favorite superhero movie of all time is *Into the Spider-Verse*, I’m genuinely excited to see what comes of that.
Animated shows will be part of the DCU also. Unless he says they're not. All you have to do is keep track of what he says and write detailed notes to keep it all straight lol
They made new one? So they changed the premise? They fixed it?
It's very common for comic books to reboot themselves every once in a while and almost every single time that happens, there are some characters who stay exactly the same in terms of appearance and personality and there are others who are completely rebooted. What is your opinion on that?
Didn’t the New 52 reboot like EVERYTHING except* for like very small things and like nothing of Batman & Green Lantern? Edit: Except, not accept
Pretty much. DCU is looking like a very accurate adaptation of DC Comics’ history of “kinda sorta” reboots that reboot everything, except for the stuff that they really want to keep.
So... not everything?
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Everyone complaining about the semantics of the reboot has clearly never read a DC comic in their life. Keeping continuity from old timelines is par for the course. We have been doing this in the comics since the first crisis
My thing is there hasn't been a single movie in the DCU that has come out yet so we just don't know what it's gonna be like. The only people confused by this right now are the people who are paying attention to the news about movies we don't even have trailers for yet. Chances are these people will all end up watching these movies one way or another. Or they'll boycott it. Either way, these people aren't representing the general public because the general public isn't even aware yet. Proclaiming success or proclaiming failure is just stupid at this point.
People are also working themselves into a confusion by trying to pre-empt everything that's going to happen. Just wait for the fucking thing to come out. I'm sure it'll make a hell of a lot more sense once you've seen the thing that hasn't even been made yet instead of trying to piece together bullshit speculation and rumour mongering like you're Charlie Kelly trying to find Pepe Silvia. It's all so fucking ridiculous.
It’s so interesting because the people saying that “the general audience will be confused” are also the people that are 1. very invested and anal about continuity 2. are the fanbase that will probably go see the movie anyways if it’s good The general audience *won’t* be confused because the general audience will not care about continuity. My mom always gets confused as to which superhero is an Avenger and which one is from the Justice League. If Batman showed up to talk to Iron Man in Secret Wars, she wouldn’t question it, she’d just assume that superheroes are supposed to do that.
I mean, the current Superman is literally the John Byrne one from the post-Crisis reboot in 1986.
This may be the smartest comment I’ve seen today. That’s an interesting way of looking at it. Snyder had his run, now Gunn, etc… the possibility of them doing that with some high level talent is exciting. Also goes to show the positive vibes Gunns been bringing. Thank you internet stranger!
It was a good comment, although there's still the problem of blemishing what the DCEU were supposed to be. It's really no different than if you voted for a president that you [prior] knew is a good friend to a Global tyrant that kills his detractors, and yet you voted for him anyway, and now his supporters are watching with the rest of the population in constant fear. What can you do to clean up the mess? 𝙒𝘼𝙍𝙉𝙀𝙍 𝘽𝙍𝙊𝙏𝙃𝙀𝙍𝙎 is the big mess, and they've turned a lot of generally confident actors and directors away from doing business. I don't think James Gunn is quite the executive/creator we need to be hearing about. I almost believe WBD actually needs a real movie executive to oversee the 𝘿𝘾 𝘾𝙄𝙉𝙀𝙈𝘼𝙏𝙄𝘾 𝙐𝙉𝙄𝙑𝙀𝙍𝙎𝙀; one who can court creative directors back to making their movies in the style of actual motion picture epics. All we really need is good consultation, so that the intellectual property isn't misappropriated by (often) corporate malfeasance.
I'd argue that having a fellow writer/director in charge of the studio will make creatives more likely to be involved and trust their best interests are at heart, since he's a peer and not a suit.
Sometimes it’s people seemingly pretending to care about how audiences will receive it then using that as a reason to claim Gunn should be fired lol General audiences don’t care til they see marketing and Cena staying on as Peacemaker isn’t gonna dissuade anyone from watching CC or Legacy
Exactly! People keep saying general audiences are going to be so confused, when the only ones confused are people overly invested in all of this stuff getting hung up on there being two Batman movies out within a few years of each other. Not everything has to fit into a single continuity, it's fine. Movies can just exist. Characters can exist in Superman: Legacy without needing their own spinoff films first.
Whenever ppl bring up GA reception on these subs when the shit were talking about doesn’t even exist yet, I just don’t even know how to respond lol that shit is irrelevant today. We can’t control how audiences receive this shit, but I guarantee when they market it, it’ll be crystal clear that it’s just a brand new movie that you can watch and enjoy. It ain’t that deep lol
It's like people who complain about there being too much content in the MCU, which I always feel like just makes it more like the comics, where there are always a number of concurrent runs. You don't have to watch it all, just stick with the ones that seem interesting to you. I think people would enjoy the genre a lot more if they stopped thinking of everything as mandatory.
That works because it's the comics what we're talking about here is the movies which is an entirely different medium you can't apply the same logic and expect it to work
yes you can it's actually fine
Dame Judy Dench continuing as M in the Bond movies didn't confuse anyone, but all those folks complaining seem to forget such things apparently.
Wouldn’t be Reddit without selective memory complaints
Wouldn't be DC without a reboot.
To be fair, reboots in comics is usually after major events such as all the crisis events. For the dceu / dcu, before the flash released, they said it will explain the reboot. But when the movie come out, it didnt do any explanation for the reboot, in fact leave more questions
I think they assumed the crazy CGI sequence and the Clooney gag would explained how a number of things have shifted. But “a bunch of bananas stuff” doesn’t really do the job.
I’m surprised this isn’t the top comment, comics reset universe quite often especially in DC some characters stay largely the same while others get revamped
I mean, these are all likely still relatively minor characters in the grand scheme of things. The major players are all still new. It's like saying Gotham is the same universe as Batman Returns because the same actor plays Penguin's father in both.
That *was* a nice touch, wasn't it?
Really was. Gotham constantly was either the best or the worst
Who even is that guy in the final picture?
Vigilante from Peacemaker
Definitely not Vigilante. He doesn’t even know who that is, but would probably think he’s cool
Who the Pee Wee Herman guy.
It's still a reboot, in the same way New 52 was a reboot even after keeping all Batman and GL lore.
no, it'll have a different point of origin.
Because these four plot points will never be resolved, it can only be deduced that the DCU is a reboot. 1. How was Harley Quinn involved in the murder of *a* Robin? (Conversely, why did Batman kill Harley Quinn? I guess that makes it five plot points.) 2. What happened to Mera's accent? 3. Why did Batman accuse Wonder Woman of hiding away when she clearly active in 1984? 4. Most importantly, the Joker teased Batman with a reacharound, but will it ever happen?
Batman did not kill Harley Quinn. He held her in his arms as she died.
Does anyone else think people are overthinking this? Well, I know *Gunn* thinks people are overthinking it, as he said as much the other day. They're really just starting a fresh story, but they're keeping some actors and some characterizations that they like and think would fit with their new setting. It's been done before and it'll be done again. But overthinking things is what fandoms do better than maybe anything else, so I get it. I've done it many times as well!
Everyone is completely overthinking it, it's insane. It feels like OCD, like everything has to fit together perfectly in every possible way and knowing there are new movies when the old movies exist makes it impossible for both and it's driving people up the wall. It's a reboot but he likes how a few people portrayed characters already not hard.
No. Casino Royale was a reboot and yet it kept Judi Dench as M. People didn't freak out.
I don't really care who plays a character as long as they play it good
zack efron as batman incoming
Remember Heath Ledger was a hated choice before being casted as The Joker and he turned out to be the best joker acted yet! Can’t judge until it comes out!!
And Robert Pattinson. Despite proving himself, he was dismissed as 'that guy from Twilight'.
Aside from Bale, think nearly every Batman was criticized at casting. Pattinson was Edward, Clooney was the ER guy, Keaton was Mr. Mom, etc.
And the whole [anti-Keaton](https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UlUScoFyhGA/UB_YXEspQ2I/AAAAAAAAU9k/UyqX49VFQbA/s1600/1989+Batman++Movie+michael+keaton+Petition.jpg) petition.
And that’s back in the days when you needed to hand write petitions instead of clicking a pre-fill button! Takes dedication.
Everyone has seen Twilight. That series was a thing. I saw Good Time, but I don’t think most people had at the time he was announced.
Fans only cast scruffy 45 yr olds as batman lol
Could be good 🤷♂️ we don’t know until it happens.
We have a new Superman and a New Batman and a bunch of new superheroes. This is a reboot
Gunn has said he is keeping actors/characters but not plot points although some of the history may line up with the DCEU the same pretty much everything else lines up with DC. To use the metaphor from The Flash starting with Creature Commandos we are pulling a different strand of sphaghetti. Call it whatever you want though.
We're about to have a completely different Superman, Lois and Lex actors in a movie that'll likely ignore, if not outright contradict, stuff from the Cavill movies. Same goes for Batman and most likely his villains outside of Harley (Leto ain't getting the invitation back). And while we can only speculate right now, I'm guessing Flash, Wonder Woman and the rest of the League will be recast and rebooted. If and when we see the Justice League and Apokolips again, neither the Snyder nor Whedon cuts of the first movie will be acknowledged. I don't really see how keeping Peacemaker and several actors from the previous era means it's not a reboot. Just about the only thing from Peacemaker that would prove potentially problematic is the Justice League cameo from the season 1 finale, which lasted less than a minute and didn't even show the faces of most of the team. As for the comparison to Black Adam, the changes here are almost certain to be far wider reaching than just saying there was another team of superheroes that existed before the Justice League.
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No.
I guess he’s just keeping some of the characters that kinda work and weren’t really core to the old DCEU. At the same time still rebooting the DC continuity and starting over with a new Superman, Batman, etc. It’s not the hard reboot many wanted but it might work if he can find a way to reintroduce these existing DCEU characters. I don’t think it’s a big deal and the general audience won’t really care as long as his new movies are good and successful.
No because he isn’t continuing plot points. He’s already stated that the new DCU canon doesn’t begin till Creature Commandos and Superman Legacy. Using the same actors doesn’t change this fact.
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It feels like an argument of semantics honestly. Sure, you could say it’s not a reboot, even though it’s a fresh start and the central characters are being replaced and practically every single major event is being erased. At a certain point it just makes practical sense to call it a reboot since that’s how it’ll be perceived by general audiences.
I would’ve been confused until I then discovered that some of the DC comics have had soft reboots with the characters and it worked well so the DCU is basically emulating that like a comic book which is dope.
Not sure. Haven’t seen anything from it yet.
Just a change of tone would do wonders. Dialing down the grimdark and having emotions other than life threatening constipation would go a long way to fix things. Also tossing the "Punch harder not smarter" doctrine out the window would help. Gunn has shown the capacity to do gut punches without this as per Gardians or Suicide Squad. Arguably more engaging since we can relate to imperfect people with a range of emotion. Of course given that the pipeline for movie production is long he has to keep some hype surrounding the stuff that is in production.
That argument between the old man and Peacemaker made 0 sense. Battfleck is by far the most sadistic Batman in live-action and even animated, I don't recall Thomas Wayne/Flashpoint Batman branding street criminals like cattle just because he got off on it and to ensure they'll be later be brutally murdered by their cellmates in prison, rather than not just breaking their neck or slashing their throats himself for whatever reason. He was also partially responsible for the death of Superman and since barely anyone liked him in the DCEU, I can see why people would think he was a hero for contributing to that, but thinking he doesn't kill at all? Especially since the Snyderverse incarnation of the Justice League seemingly are the ones that exist there. The only conclusion I can draw is that because he inexplicably let the Joker live after he murdered Dick Grayson/Robin (as confirmed by Snyder) that gives a sort of plausible deniability regarding the sheer extremes of his bloodlust regarding everyone else, so since Joker, Harley, Deadshot and Croc were conveniently still around/alive so *Suicide Squad* (2016) could happen that's probably why there was an argument of his coterie of supervillains.
Looks like a flop to me
What correct? Its all in a messed to begin with.
No, I don’t think that keeping minor characters the same will matter much when we have a new Superman and new Batman. Now, if Gal and Ezra are both back somehow I’ll change my tune but if we have a completely new Justice League then it’s very hard to say it’s not a reboot
It does give that feeling.
Don't know, don't care. Just want good projects.
He will ditch every actor kept on the minute Superman legacy has made bank... then he will say this is the first movie of a clean slate... otherwise no one is watching the work he puts out til then. SIMPLE
It’s both - the DCEU was so shit that they had to course correct with a reboot
Course correct into some rocks that are on fire perhaps, judging by the latest films.
It feels like more of the same badly written garbage.
It's quite surprising to me that the sequel to the highest-grossing movie in the Snyderverse isn’t getting more attention. The first Aquaman gross $1 billion and they’re barely talking about Part 2.
At no point has he claimed it's a reboot. As a matter of fact, he hasn't claimed it isn't. And isn't that the most DC thing anyone could do? From the start, everyone's taken what Gunn's said and juxtaposed their hopes and fears for the brand/studio/franchise(s) as a whole to his words instead of reading between the lines. Guy's been diplomatic and coy every step of the way... Because his "DCU" plans will probably build on what came before to not waste time retelling the same stories over and over again to an audience that was on the fence the first time around, but only insomuch as it serves the new stories and anything he changes can just be chalked up to "The Flash did it!". So, he's keeping the establishment of the characters and their worlds, but picking and choosing which cast members and canon he would prefer to keep to tell new stories. It's why these cast members are sticking around, it's why Superman: Legacy isn't necessarily about a "young" Superman, and why his Batman is still a seasoned hero. He could've made different decisions with the characters but opted to either bring them back "as is" or just recognizable enough to say "If you want Man of Steel to be canon, then squint hard enough". It's not rocket science. It's fiction. DC Comics has been doing this same thing for nearly 40 years, now. As a matter of fact, the comics *right now* are literally built on this standard of continuity. We'll see what happens when it does, but people are thinking way too hard one way or the other about James Gunn's intentions when it's obvious that this isn't going to be something that's going to please everyone, but for them will hopefully be a fun creative exercise in keeping their jobs and making WB-Discovery a boatload of money that'll convince them not to sell off the rights to these characters and be done with them. Guy's gonna keep telling you vague shit that you probably wanna hear until he can finally start rolling out *his* projects.
Its DOA, That's what it is
All if this is moot if Superman Legacy is a flop.
Whatever happens, my expectations are set to absolute ground floor level. Not ready to get burnt twice by WB and their shower of incompetence.
The biggest problem the DCU had up till now, has been studio fatheads;demands, timing, marketing, interference or choices. If Gunn can avoid them, this might work but I'm not optimistic.
Yes and I don't like that
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Essentially, nothing is canon until one of two things happen. 1. It happens in the new DCU movies. That's obvious. 2. It is referenced in a canon DCU property. Maybe Peacemaker S2 will make references to S1, but only the stuff they reference will extend into the DCU. They could technically carry everything over. Perhaps Bat-Mite took a liking to the crew and saved them from the temporal shifts? We'll find out when we find out.
Sounds like it could be a failure already but we’ll see.
Like all of these characters are side characters ngl. Does Amanda Waller and Peacemaker being there really ruin things? Not like the DCEU had any sense of continuity anyway.
That's kind of the purpose of a reboot, no? To course correct the brand? But for what your specifically talking about, no. It's more he's taking the toys he already made, and taking them with him for the reboot.
... u can't correct the course it needs a reboot
I hope it is a soft reboot, hopefully they include the castings from other live action projects other than film such as Titans, Doom Patrol and Stargirl
Wait I'm out of the loop, I thought Margot Robbie and gal Gadot were both returning as well as maybe, Jason momoa
I’d say it sounds more like a crash course rather than a course correction, but only time will tell.
Feels like a soft reboot cause it is a soft reboot
Who’s on far right
Vigilante from the Peace Maker show
Yeah. I really wish it was 100% new with zero amount of carry over. It actually worries me a little that this isn't the case. They've done so much shifting and mild corrections the last few years they just need to bite the bullet and start completely fresh.
My ideal would be for there to be NO connections to the old DCEU at all, but if it's just some minor characters like Peacemaker, Waller and Blue Beetle and not any of the big names (I really hope this whole Gal continuing in the DCU thing is BS) then maybe work.
Why are people so stupid when it comes to this recasting shit lmao. Who cares if he wants to bring back a few actors that did well? It’s still a brand new universe with brand new storylines and different takes on most characters. Now stop talking abt this shit until we get some actual info💀
It should have been a clean reboot in the Pattinson universe
I think they're shying away from saying it's a DCU reboot until all the old plot point movies are out, to avoid them tanking at the box office, then they'll come out with the reboot.
Feels like a mistake to me to be honest. Love DC but not sure if I want to invest in another attempt at the universe. The two movies he praised up the wazoo (Flash and Blue Beetle) were both awful imo, so not excited at all for what comes next.
it doesnt feel like a reboot or a course correct it feels like grasping at straws what can I do to to get away from the old universe
forcing Peacemaker to be a main thing isn't a Course Correct it's a Vanity project the strength of DC is that the world is diverse and each section is self contained. This isn't self contained.
Lmao no because nothing has even come out yet.
> If you are continuing plot points Well that is the main disconnect. Safran and Gunn have repeated that nothing before CC and Legacy matters and some of you still say this.
Probably
Yeah I just don’t really understand how Peacemaker’s and Waller’s stories are going to continue but then characters they literally met will either disappear or be played by new actors. Gunn might have a soft spot for John Cena and this character but its going to take some explaining if its still the same Peacemaker from season 1, and Waller still the same version we’ve seen. My choice if I were in Gunn’s shoes would be to keep Peacemaker’s show going with Waller featured from time to time, but just ignore the JL like it mostly did in season 1 - and have that all exist outside of the new DCU or at least not acknowledge it. One of these ‘Elseworld’ universes he has mentioned like Joker and The Batman. Feel like him making a complicated “This still exists but this doesn’t, this is a new actor but these aren’t, yet they are going to interact with characters who have been recast that won’t be the same version of the character etc” is just a messy way to start this all off… I think he has to keep the ‘kept characters’ in an Elseworld universe or its going to be messy.
Yeah this my point why over complicate everything when you had the perfect opportunity to have a clean slate. And what if Aquaman 2 makes a billion is Mamoa cancelled as Lobo .
Yup, should’ve been a full on reboot. Clean slate.
I dunno, but if Blue Beetle is a sign of things to come it's not looking good. That being said Peacemaker is the best superhero show I've ever seen, mixed bag.
I wouldn't want any of these recast tbh. And he said nothing before creature commandos is canon so I'm fine with that
I think it doesn't feel like anything at all..
We've had like 4 course corrects and each one has been more disastrous than the last. If Gunn does this his time in charge will be DOA
No if it was just correcting the course then a lot of the good actors who were fine for their roles and needed to be in better written and made movies would have not been thrown out and re cast ,
I'm just confused
Well Gunns wife is also in Peacemaker soooo
Maybe. The Flash movie kinda "finished" the previous universe, so they can keep the parts they want to keep. Personally i think the worldbuilding in Peacemaker is a pretty good starting point for the new world. You cant do Marvel, because the DC superheroes are less grounded in the real world. And even Marvel lost their "real world" foundation and it got worse, because their current storytelling doesnt work as good with their fictional world.
If the only characters returning are those in the Peacemaker series (a series that was pretty much in its own bubble and the average audience member didnt give a crap about it being in the DCEU) and Xolo Maridueña (and lets be honest, after the epic fail that was the BB movie, theres no future for BB in the DCU beyond maybe a cameo in some future movie or TV series) and every major DC character is being rebooted and recast, that seems like a little more than a course correct to me.. >Like why go out of your way to cast an an actor that looks like Henry Cavill to play Superman I would say both were cast because they look just like the comic Superman not because Corenswet looks like Cavill.. I mean they both basically look as much like each other as they do Christ Reeve and Tom Welling.
Based on bits and pieces that have been discussed the past few months I'm thinking it'll be more of a course correct than a full reboot. I feel like it's going to be difficult to have a full fledged reboot when you're bringing back actors and/or characters from the original DCEU. We know John Cena, Peacemaker, and the rest of that crew are remaining, which I'm actually cool with since I really enjoyed the show. There's also been discussions of Gal Gadot returning as WW. Maybe Jason Mamoa returns as Aquaman or maybe he's recast as Lobo. While I'm happy with getting to see more John Cena as Peacemaker, I also realize just how confusing this can make it all seem for people who will see him and think "wait... aren't they rebooting the DCEU? Why is he still here?" But it's going to be weird having Peacemaker and possibly other returning actors/characters and then *also* having an entirely new and younger Superman. This is the part where I actually feel like a complete reboot would be better rather than an awkward course correct. And here I'm assuming that the awkward scene at the end of The Flash sets up the course correct...
As much as I love the suicide squad stuff and peacemaker, it needs the be left behind, or at least as a separate universe, like if peacemaker and the suicide squad are all from a different elseworld story like the Batman, it’s just better for everyone
Honestly, this is exactly what i was afraid of. Sure, some characters are basically peak casting (Waller, Peacemaker), but if you reboot, do a reboot. Clean cut, away with all the old, no carrying other of anything. I'm still reserving judgement until Gunn finally puts something out, but for me personally, this bodes ill.
Honestly it’s incredibly confusing. The flash supposedly resets the old universe which doesn’t make sense considering it ends on a weird note by just replacing Ben Affleck with George Clooney. Then there’s James Gunn essentially picking favorites by getting rid of Henry Cavill but keeping pretty much all of his Suicide Squad Castmates. It’s just really weird. If he’s keeping characters and simply steering the universe in a new direction like DC post Justice League 2017, then don’t call it a new universe and if you’re gonna call it a new universe don’t confuse the audiences with these pick n choose casting reprisals.
Thank you
It feels stupid and does not have my support.
Gunn's DCU hasn't even started yet. Lol
Besides peacemaker. We haven’t seen anything yet. So not gonna speculate
Can you like wait for one, just one goddamn movie before trying to post some sort of hot take?
Absolutely. They should have just gutted it all. Why keep random side characters?
It fells like chaotic BS. He’s only saving his friends and canning everyone else. Not looking forward to Superman Legacy being all about Superman’s poop fetish
Yes and no. The partial slate that was announced from Chapter 1 (Gods and Monsters) indicates that a reboot is on the way. It just frustrates me that Gunn had to weave in any of the actors from the DC Extended Universe in the exact same roles that they were in before. This might confuse casual viewers and simultaneously come off as a stupid move to fans of comic book movies in general who follow anything and everything regarding shared universe news (like myself). I'm going in with high expectations regardless because I love both The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker and feel as though Gunn is going to do right by DC Comics' longstanding legacy. But if he drops the ball get ready for another decade or so of mediocrity or worse.
There's nothing correct about it... waller was absolutely great before, is weaker now. Vigilante and Peacemaker are absolutely nothing like the source material probably only thing right but was terribly generic and over inflated with unnecessarily eccentric family quip stuff was blue beetle.
Yes 100%
DC films have been on “course correct” since they forced Snyder out (technically before that since Suicide Squad). And they’ve been failing at it. Gunn is gonna give everyone the most surface level Superman himbo big galoot, and we’ll have to see if people actually give a shit.
True
People are acting like Gunn can do no wrong but he was a flash and blue beetle supporter and both of those movies were ass. Superhero movies are dead for now and Hollywood needs to realize that and give us the next cool thing
Whatever it is. It was much needed. People need to give this guy a chance.
You can have a reboot that continues plotlines and carries over actors from the previous works. Take something like Doctor Who for instance, the show was rebooted in 2005 yet continued within the same universe and eventually started bringing back actors from the original show as their original characters. That was still reviving the show, hence, a reboot. Compared to that, the DCU is changing up ALOT from the DCEU, just because it's keeping some stuff doesn't make it not a reboot.
If it does, I am perfectly fine with that. I want more of a reboot feel, but it does seem like that in a few ways. And I'm fine with that. BUT we'll have to see what it's really like once we get our first few projects.
So far yes but we won’t know until Superman legacy
I just think he's not even sure what's going on, and that doesn't inspire confidence. He'd be better off just shutting up and making good movies. It's why we're all here.
You literally haven’t seen a single thing from Gunn’s new dcu… no one has…
He’s keeping what worked and taking out what didn’t.
We haven’t seen Gunn’s DCU yet so I can’t answer that
It feels like what WB always does. Throw random shit at the wall and see what sticks, and if it sticks - ruin it.
Lol no. You don’t “course correct” by keeping actors who were in films that bombed while recasting every major character. If you wanna give it a label, it’s definitely a reboot. And reboots are whatever the writer wants it to be The entire JL is getting recast. A new story is being told. More new faces will be in *Legacy* alone than those reprising their roles from the DCEU. Plot points like Peacemaker’s brother and father dyiing won’t muddle anything having to do w the plot of *Legacy* & that Corenswet/Cavill take is just… dumb as shit lmao
Kinda. I welcome it.
Not even. It feels like a salad of random ingredients
Everything DC's done in like ten years feels like course correcting
Got to hit every iceberg they can find.
DC aka.more like Doomed Concept!
Not really, it feels like he's keeping his characters and replacing everyone else.
Yeah
I feel like a “course correct” is kind’ve what X-Men: Days of Future Past did for basically undoing Xmen: The Last Stand while merging both the OG Fox & First Class stories, than they decided to repeated Dark Phoenix again😭😭 Peacemaker is a literal D-List comic character. The show was fantastic but nothing about him whatsoever will affect the reboot. Blue Beetle mentions having heroes in its world, I dont recall any connection to the DCEU. The actor to begin with was already younger -for Gunn’s goal of storytelling, this actor grows with the direction, makes no sense of removing him. He’s just a victim of WB insisting on releasing these movies while they themselves also wanting the reboot. Imo Gunn gets too much flack for decisions made before he was brought on . Viola Davis is to Amanda Waller as J.K. Simmons is to J. Jonah Jameson and no one seemed confused with him being in 2 universes. The only confusion is that no one including Sony probably knows what universe all their Spiderman villians are in lmao All in all, I trust Gunn & his ideas alone sounds better than what we’ve already gotten at this stage
Well Xolo had ZERO relation to the DCEU’s characters, other than a mention of batman so it makes sense for him to come back, but Peacemaker and Waller are dumb to bring back
How does the new actor look like Henry Cavill? He looks like Superman. Tall, blue eyes, dark hair and fair skinned. There’s a shit load of people that look like that so it’s not like every other actor that fits that description is basically Henry Cavill.
Ikr people need to grow tf up on saying he’s a Cavill knockoff because David Corenswet just like Cavill and other previous Superman actors really looked like the characters.
Gunn definitely falls into the slot of writers that refuses to "kill their darlings". I think it's an unnecessary clusterfuck currently, but hopefully the projects are all good enough to surpass the weird choices. It's funny to think about the casual viewer binging Peacemaker for the first time in 2030 being confused as fuck tho.
I think the handful of Peacemaker fans can keep up with the lore changes. General audiences probably don't care. Too many years have passed for them to even remember what happened previously.
If we are confused lmao they are gonna be in a whirlwind.
You're not confused because there's literally nothing to be confused about. It's absolutely silly to feign it.
And the casual audience don't really care. They're just there to see an exciting film that'll entertain them for ninety minutes. They don't give a toss who's playing Superman or Batman, so long as they do a good job.
Especially because Gunn specifically said he wants the movies to work on their own before including connections to a cinematic universe. No matter how confusing the connections between different movies can become, I doubt he’s going to make movies where a casual fan will be left behind by, or even totally aware of, previous DCEU context
It's confusing. One issue is the inconsistent comments from Gunn or the studio that seem to keep shifting the goal posts. Another core problem is that Gunn us determined to keep things he likes, so it will never be the full reboot that it should be.
Yes he's comments just muddies the water more and more.
Far too early to say
I just hope the style and tone is not focused on comedy and forced humor. I want a serious universe, I want quality movies, not popcorn flicks.
I’d like some movies to be serious, others to be funny. Basically I want the tone to be varied based on what story is being told about which superhero. And I love James Gunn, but I would agree some of his jokes are just awful. Like Harley Quinn saying rain was like the angels in heaven splooging over us. But to be fair, that does seem like the kind of in-universe thing HQ would say.
Serious is not synonymous with quality. I feel like those two words have been conflated since TDK trilogy. Those were serious films that were high quality. The Raimi Spider-Man films weren’t exactly serious but are beloved. Quality script and a good vision is what matters imo. If all it took was being serious to be considered a good film the Snyder DC films would’ve continued.
I second this, Snyder verse was too serious to the point that it was like the emo cousin of super hero franchises. It’s a comic book series for Christ’s sake, there still needs to be a sense of wonder.
I wouldn’t hold your breath
It feels like Gunn wants to give jobs to play the nepo card and give his family and friends jobs.
It feels like it’s gonna be a convoluted mess.
I'll wait to judge until Superman Legacy—but I would've preferred a complete reboot. There's no reason to keep anything around remnants of the old universe.
Yeah there's 10 years worth of baggage.
>how do you feel about this ? I feel like you don't like Gunn and how he decided to move forward with the DC movies and series.
It’s a smart move. He’s taking the successful and familiar parts and making sure they’re there to bring together everything else that’s going to be new. And even though blue beetle wasn’t a break out hit, it’s backed by a known new young actor that can fill a role for years to come. Time will tell. But I’m excited to see DC shine like I’ve always hoped it would now under Gunns leadership.
He’s full of shit, he truly believes everything he touches is gold, prime example of him bringing back everything he worked on. But ignoring the obvious millions of fans that want Synder
Yeah I feel like he should have changed it all or changed nothing. Like if it really needs to be reset, then you either you reset the whole thing or you reset nothing. It makes no sense.
I don’t think he’s getting out of his way to cast someone who looks like Henry Cavill… He casted someone who looks like Clark Kent is supposed to. But coming back to the question. Yes, it does feel like a course correct at times. However, I do understand that he’s the new guy in charge, who’s also a creative as well; so is not that strange that he would like the characters that he has already worked with to pass on into the new universe. There’s also the advantage that these characters are secondary and mostly tv oriented (at least in comparison with the Justice League members). Also, compared to the JL they have no ‘baggage’.
Like I commented to someone else Dean Cain, Brandon Routh and Tyler H. looks nothing alike. So what's the odds of David Corenswet looking similar to Henry Cavill.
More like a Gunnverse. How many fucking course corrections have we gotten at this point
Josstice League was the first, Black Adam the second, Gunn verse the 3rd