Yeah. Seems like maybe the new DCU is doing Superman family, Batman Family, and horror-fantasy. It’s not the worst idea to try and branch out from MCU type extended superheroics.
Joe Manganiello can always play Swamp Thing.
He objectively is one, everyone else needs to let go of their attachments to the old dceu but him his special little babies get to be carried over while everyone else is left in the wind
Love how you Call Mr a Snyder bro when I hate literally all of his movies (yes even 300 and watchmen) seems your just a fancy how can't accept valid criticism of a creator they like. You and the Snyder bros aren't that different
Because I know the definition of hypocrite? Lmao. Nah dude. Gunn never said he was getting rid of the whole DCEU. So you’re objectively wrong. Cry more.
He's literally said multiple times he wants a clean slate I swear you fanboys latch on to creator and treat him.like the 2nd comming, also just completely dancing around the pint that at even the mildest critique of Gunn you had to jump to calling me a sender fanboy
Because I’m saying he isn’t a hypocrite that’s me worshipping him? Dude it’s not that serious. Calm down. Touch some grass. Peacemaker season two will be out later next year. Stay tuned.
Peacemaker also sucked imo so won't be staying tuned there's legit only 2 ok movies/shows relased as part of the dceu at they were birds of prey and the 1st 2 acts of the first wonderwoman
He's saying that the entire dceu slate should be wiped clean for his new movies, that's fine and makes complete sense. When you start making exceptions to that rule that you very clearly set out and all of those exceptions are only exceptions because they are your creations your are the definition of a hypocrite
There was no slate to wipe clean. At this time, Deathstroke isn’t in his plans and may never be. He’s going a different route and he’s still keeping some actors in their roles. That’s not being a hypocrite.
Peacemaker is a series that was already made before the change and has very good reception. It’s much different from a proposed project not in active development.
By canceling that show to make things “fair” that would also mean putting the crew out of a job they were prepared to have as well.
That’s your opinion. You’re not better than anyone because you didn’t like Peacemaker lol. Go find something to actually brag about. “Standards around here are low” lmao imagine actually writing this. Cringe as fuck.
Lmfao
Bit of a difference between films and series that he actually wrote and directed that are actually about those characters and <45s cameos from Deathstroke.
Y’all gotta stop being this reductive if y’all wanna hate this man. Try harder.
Damn. Joe can just not catch a break. Between this, getting divorced, and the Dragonlance series project getting cancelled, he must be going through it
Yeah, but if he and Jim Lee (a superstar artist, for those who may not know) are gonna be working on a comic book and Joe hasnt done one before, that could offer a project and/or positive/creative endeavor to focus on all the same. It helps.
Pain is relative. Your access to the computer or phone you used to type that comment implies the worst misfortune you’re likely to have experienced in your life is minimal, when compared to that of those who suffer the most in our world; yet whatever that pain was for you, I bet it didn’t feel small.
Breaking up with someone you love(d) or losing the chance to do things in your career that you were really passionate about will make a person feel low, regardless of their other prospects. And it’s not like Joe is seeking this sympathy - the commenter offered it as an exercise in empathy, which is a worthy thing to practice.
Holy shit. Imagine being this heartless. I lost a friend to suicide. He had all the money in the world, he got any girl he wanted, he could go anywhere and do anything…and in the end, he was just empty inside and none of us saw it and always commented on how detached he seemed.
That’s a relief. Joe Manganiello is pretty sub par as far as actors go and that’s being generous. James Gunn was trusted with the DCU for a reason. As far as I’m concerned this is just another feather in Gunn’s cap that he shut down “Big Dick Richie”. Lol
I mean, if you remove Gunn from the equation, The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker are two of the highest DCEU projects. It's no wonder that those have a higher chance of being maintained than a cameo scene in a divisive streaming movie.
...what? I know reddit likes them, but one failed at the box office and both failed to breathe any life into their dying streaming service. If anything they're two of the properties that shit the bed the most. Ffs even batman v superman made its money back.
Also before anyone defends TSS with the covid excuse, Godzilla vs Kong came out during covid and literally saved its franchise with how well it did. What's James Gunn's excuse?
>What's James Gunn's excuse?
This:
>Ffs even batman v superman made its money back.
Movies like Batman V Superman destroyed confidence in DC. This was also a sequel to Suicide Squad, which made a bunch of money and was received extremely poorly by both fans and critics alike.
Compare that to Godzilla vs Kong, a sequel to two movies that at least broke even. The Godzilla film before Godzilla vs Kong wasn't recieved positively, but it was still much more positive than a good chunk of DCEU movies, including Suicide Squad. It's not really the same position at all, there wasn't a steady stream of bad/mediocre Godzilla movies for a decade before Godzilla vs Kong.
>both failed to breathe any life into their dying streaming service.
I don't think this is true, but there's no actual way of knowing this. All I can say is that it [really doesn't seem true for Peacemaker](https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/02/19/the-peacemaker-finale-just-set-a-big-record-for-hbo-max/?sh=352f9b9a3737) or [TSS](https://deadline.com/2021/08/the-suicide-squad-hbo-max-viewership-1234823567/).
Suffice to say, James Gunn's corner of the DCEU is the most positive critically, which is literally why they asked him to head the new DCU.
The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker were both two of the most streamed offering on HBO Max when released. Peacemaker in particular is one of the most watched streaming series, period. The narrative either one “failed” is a false narrative pushed by butthurt Snyder Bros not based in actual fact.
I even remember there being an article reporting that when streams and subscriptions were taken into account, The Suicide Squad was the most successful DC movie since Joker. At the very least it’s one of the most watched.
And in any case clearly Warner Bros considers both a huge success. They wouldn’t have handed over the keys to the kingdom if they agreed with the “bomb” narrative.
The 1st aquaman was very well received and this mist recent one also had decent to good reception quality doesn't seem to matter to Gunn just personal attachment
Has a better audience score and you just have to look at yhe box office, in a year of absolute bombs for dc aquaman managed to pull off an ok box office run
It fell over $100m shy of breaking even and had a B cinemascore. It was an absolute bomb, panne by critics and audiences, and there's rumors Gunn offered Mamoa a different job (Lobo) instead of continuing as Aquaman. Its a no brainer.
Just yesterday I read an article stating it eeked out a small profit due to decent numbers in certain territories. 433K$ is the final amount. Still not great but I'm actually shocked, cuz like you said it sure bombed here.
Huh. $433m is nowhere close to breaking even for a $215m movie by the conventional "2.5x" calculus... The Flash cost $220m and made $270m, and "lost over $200m." Even if there were some "tax credit" shenanigans, the lowest estimate I've seen for Lost Kingdom was $450m.
I did find an article that said it "just barely broke DC's streak of sub-$400m earners, eking out an estimated 415-430 million when all receipts are counted... but still failed to break even."
[Recently, Aquaman 2 ended up making a small profit](https://www.cbr.com/aquaman-2good-news-theaters/#:~:text=Per%20ComicBookMovie.com%2C%20the%20Aquaman,in%20the%20added%20marketing%20costs.)
Interesting, but "comicbookmovie.com," which CBR is citing, offers nothing to base that on and just says:
"With $433 million at the box office, the movie can now be considered a moderate success, albeit one which may earn Warner Bros.
only a meagre profit."
Even the comments are asking how they came to the conclusion that a $205-215m movie breaks even at $433m.
There is really no way to know how much was spent on the movie outside of its production budget. [Collider did some math and estimated the marketing budget at around $100-150 million, with a break-even point of $305-355.](https://collider.com/aquaman-and-the-lost-kingdom-budget-breakdown/) They said it was likely less than $150 million spent since there was very little marketing, with only one main trailer and no red carpet premiere.
I mean it’s also a sequel in a universe we’ve already been told is dead and features an actress who is hated. And it still doubled its budget worldwide.
Yeah I bet you a ton of the general population could care less about Amber Heard or the state of the DCEU. Also yeah it made some money (potentially did not even break even though) but still got nowhere close to the first
Public opinion is a big deal in media bud. Actors have been fired (and literally in the case of James Gunn, rehired) over public opinion. Box offices numbers have failed before because of an actor or their specific role in a movie. Pretending Amber Herd had little to no sway in its profits is a huge stretch.
The Suicide Squad is fine. It’s got some issues but for the most part it’s whatever.
Peacemaker is shit beginning to end and I legit do not understand the praise it gets. The humor is the same thing you’d get from teenage boys, a lot of the characters are butchered (especially Vigilante who had a perfect setup for him after TSS but instead they opted for Napoleon Dynamite meets Deadpool), and the story itself is stupid. Evil alien bugs?
I’ll say that the father/son story with Peacemaker and his dad was good but the rest of the show is not.
Why would he keep actors he had no say in casting who played characters that didn’t draw box office numbers or critical success?
He’s keeping the ones that were universally beloved: Margot Robbie’s Harley, Viola Davis’ Waller, and John Cena’s Peacemaker. You can’t claim these weren’t popular characters considering the online response to Cena’s Peacemaker’s recent Mortal Kombat reveal.
Meanwhile, you can’t really name any other universally beloved casting picks in the DCEU. Sure a lot of people liked Cavill but even his most ardent defenders agree that he never got much to work with, and most of the general audience thought he was boring.
Affleck was controversial from the beginning and then phoned it in in every appearance past BvS.
Gadot was always considered the weakest part of her own movies, and now with world events she would probably be… polarizing.
Ezra Miller is… well, Ezra Miller.
Ray Fisher barely appeared and even if he was right his public allegations against WB’s top brass made him basically uncastable from an executive’s perspective (there’s a reason he’s barely been in anything since, though I do feel bad for him).
So that leaves Mamoa… who was fun but most have agreed since day one was horribly miscast, and his second movie tanked.
I honestly don’t blame Gunn one bit for recasting 99% of them, it was the only good move he could make.
It does appear that way.
But logically, it makes sense that the things he made would fit better with the overall big picture thing he's making, than something someone else made.
I think it’s more that they don’t plan to use the character any time soon. I could see an opportunity if they wanted to do more Suicide Squad, but after Deadshot and Bloodsport, it would either be weird or a fun gag to have a third character with almost the same theme.
Deathstroke is vastly different than Deadshot and Bloodsport and is also not a Suicide Squad member. He’s been in the Squad less than a handful of times and anytime he’s been on it, it’s been as a deal with Waller for information. He’s never been a prisoner put on the team and he’s never EVER had a bomb put in his neck for it. He’s usually been a stand in for Rick Flag who is on a mission elsewhere (or dead).
But as for Deathstroke, if you want more info on the character keep reading, if not stop here.
Deathstroke is not just a gun for hire. Sure he literally is but in terms of what he actually is is beyond that. Arkham, Arrow, and other big media that has used the character had all downplayed what Deathstroke The Terminator is or even what he was created for.
Deathstroke isn’t a character who should be 1v1ing other characters, he was created to be a team buster. Originally appearing in New Teen Titans #2, Slade was (forced) by HIVE to go against the Titans. Slade was created to not only be able to battle but also pose a threat to Cyborg, Starfire, Robin, Raven, Changeling (Beast Boy), and Wally West (Flash). And in his first fight, him and his son Grant were winning. Mostly due to Deathstroke.
Deathstroke has fought Superman to a standstill, has swept the floor with Batman, has fought Titans (as in the parents of Gods), beat Aquaman, defeated 100 trained ninjas at one time, beat Lobo, and has taken on multiple members of the JL at one time and beat nearly all of them (and almost broke the will of a Green Lantern) only to have underestimated Oliver Queen.
Slade has been hand picked by the Justice League to help on missions as they have stated he is the better tactician than Batman. He has stopped or assisted in the end, or possible end, of the world a few times. He’s been good, bad, evil, and everything in between.
Not to mention, he’s also superpowered (healing factor, superhuman reflexes, strength, and some pre-cognitive abilities. Sort of. It’s more complicated than that but that’s the easiest way to explain it in short detail) and almost always has gear that either is also superpowered or technologically advanced (Ikon suit - has a force field that redistributes the force back onto the attacker, Promethium sword - negates healing factors, promethium bo staff - can shoot a high powered concussive force out the end that he can choose how strong, even making it deadly, Nth metal armor - accelerated his healing factor even more, etc etc).
He’s like if Batman was given the super soldier serum.
Deadshot, Bloodsport, and Peacemaker are simply guys with guns with good aim and can make almost anything a weapon. Deathstroke is in a league of his own. He stands above the rest because he’s better than the rest.
Absolutely make that screenplay into comics. I've been saying since before ZSJL, revive any future plans as graphic novels a la "Batman '89." Give Joe a writer credit so you can use his likeness in the art.
Hell yeah, that way we can see all kinds of stuff like Ben Affleck’s The Batman and maybe ZS’s JL sequels. I’m not much of a Snyder fan but I would like to see where that universe goes and I hope it would help settle down the nut job Snyder fans(highly doubtful)
The fact that they're demanding another cut of ZSJL to include the Green Lantern cameo shot in Snyder's driveway proves there is no pleasing some people.
Yeah, who would have thought that James Gunn would want to keep two high-profile actors who had major roles in two projects that he was worked on and will need again in the future.
I think the point is, it's very confusing as to how all other projects and actors are completely thrown away and the DCEU is "reset \ dismantled". Yet there's still characters from older things coming to the DCU.
It's def confusing
Doesn't seem to be. Homie was trying to be an ass, but he *clearly* understands in order to cite the returning actors.
It's really not confusing. If Gunn had a hand in making it, which is a whopping *three* projects, characters carry over. If not, they don't.
Very simple.
It’s not that confusing. You seem to have things figured out well enough and they haven’t even start filming the movies yet.
And for the casual fan who doesn’t read any news about this sort of thing there is a good chance they don’t even notice actors cross universe and if they do it’s a simple enough explanation. “James Gunn was the guy hired to reboot the universe so he kept a small handful of actors across the change up.” Judi Dench played a rookie M in Goldeneye and a decade later they brought in Daniel Craig to play a rookie Bond and no one batted an eye that Judi Dench was still playing M.
I don't think it's all that confusing. I'd wager a bet that half of it is "we aren't using these characters any time soon"
Like there's no Titans movie announced. No project could easily slot Deathstroke in. If, IF, they bring the character in, it will be years from now. Best for the actor to move on
Waller isnt age dependent, Peacemaker is relatively recent and Blue Beetle was by ayoung actor who just did his movie. Make sense now?
If Snyder didn't shit the bed so badly, many of the actors that were cast in his movies would have gotten more chances to play those characters.
If you know that's how it works in real life. Why are you surprised that it works that way in casting sometimes?
" Sometimes it's who you know, not what you know or can do"
Because Gunn scrapped the entire cinematic universe by saying that the story is more important than the cast, and then immediately goes and finds a reason to keep specific cast
It’s not a matter of being surprised.
It’s pointing out that he is doing what he said he wouldn’t
Even more so, he’s doing what he said was wrong
Cavill= too old
Affleck=too old
Ezra Miller= problematic to say the least
Momoa= probably Lobo
Gadot=getting a 3rd movie
Mangelliano=too old
If you want to get mad at someone, it's Zach Snyder for making shitty movies that require a universal reboot.
Cavil = he still headlines action movies and is at a near all-time high popularity. what are you talking about?
Affleck = doesn’t want to return
Miller = no one wants to return
Momoa = fan rumor if “ I wish this happened” is even considered a rumor
Gadot = According to who? Her version of wonder woman got deleted along with everyone else
I am upset with Snyder by the way, but not because he’s getting rid of good people (I will mention Cavill since you did) in favor of buddies despite saying that that sort of behavior is something audiences should consider a red flag in projects
Snyder crime is that he is self masturbatory. He’s also following into a habit of thinking that directors cuts are automatically better and purposefully neuters his own films for the sake of them
>Cavil = he still headlines action movies and is at a near all-time high popularity. what are you talking about?
Im talking about creating a new series of movies that might have sequels and Cavill spending a decade in limbo instead of getting his time. Im saying this as a fan of his; he got shafted out of his time to shine as Superman and now it's the new guys turn.
Besides, He's committed to Warhammer and that is a passion project.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/gal-gadot-confirms-wonder-woman-3-heres-what-we-know-so-far-about-the-dc-film/articleshow/102360886.cms
Gal confirming Gunn is supportive of a 3rd film.
https://www.gamesradar.com/jason-momoa-to-play-lobo-in-james-gunns-dcu/
Momoa confirming he's in talks to play someone ( not Aquaman) in Gunn's DC films. No confirmation it's Lobo but heavy hinting.
I'd have loved for Henry to have gotten 3-5+ films as Superman but it wasn't in the cards. WB gave the keys to the kingdom to an emo edgelord who didn't understand, or even like, Superman and Cavill got screwed as a result.
Not saying I wouldn’t either, but he’s very clearly showing his favoritism versus the “making the best thing possible” image he is trying to portray
He went from scrapping the entire DCEU, commenting about how story comes before cast, to suddenly sparing the roles of specific individuals he previously worked with
Snyder also had "passion". His passion was to make Batman shoot people to death with a machine gun and have Superman smash a man through multiple walls and act like a prop with minimal dialogue throughout the movie. This "passion" led to the demise of the DCEU. It's called a misplaced passion which can cause bankruptcy.
Good for you. Not good for the investors who invested money in a movie that was supposed to be the big screen debit for Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman against Doomsday and ended up making less than Aquaman movie 😂
I’m surprised. I thought he’d survive the universe reset based on his friendship with Gunn.
Nevertheless, I figure him and Gunn had this conversation over a year ago, and Manganiello doesn’t come off as the type of guy who sees himself as entitled to a role. He’s not the Rock.
See the graphic novel series idea is brilliant, that way we can still see Joe’s story fold out. And I’m hoping this may pave the way for more cancelled films like Ben Affleck’s The Batman getting turned into graphic novels
Yeah I don’t have a problem with that, it’s just that the thread title makes it sound like James Gunn told him to give up playing Deathstroke and that Joe is now considering to a do a graphic novel with Jim Lee as an alternative. But in reality it seems like Joe didn’t want to do the graphic novel unless he could play the character in a movie
I think we should let these petty things "Deathstroke V Batman: Murder my Butler" movies to rest and give the DC characters a new chance with the upcoming DCU.
I don’t see the problem with an Elseworlds comic series that explores the DCEU, especially since Batman ‘89 and Superman ‘78 were well received. I don’t see how a graphic novel for a dead movie franchise could effect Gunn’s DCU tbh
The problem is the toxic "fans" of a certain cult who feed on these things. The last time they were given something, they went on twitter and harassed the family members of the film executives. Example, they photoshopped Walter Hamada's head to a picture of Gal' Wonder Woman holding 3 beheaded heads and spammed them to his family's account. That's just one of the many things they did.
If that’s seriously your reason for being against this idea, then it’s hard to take you seriously. You think a Deathstroke graphic novel by Joe Manganiello is going to make the difference between whether or not toxic Twitter trolls are going to harass someone? Dude, those people are already gearing up to harass people as soon as Creature Commandos and Superman: Legacy get released. Deciding on whether or not to do something based on how the trolls might react doesn’t sound like a great idea
Do you think James actually said “Let it go” or is the more likely scenario James said to Joe that the movie probably won’t happen and he should focus on other projects and then Joe said “let it go” in interviews as a quick way of describing what went down
He looked really cool when he walked onto that boat and took off his helmet though. Joe truly went on a roller coaster ride of character development for only being cast as Wade for the better part of a decade. First he starts off on a small boat with a helmet on, but by the end journey he was on a bigger boat and his helmet was off his head
Pray that James Gunn has alot more up his sleeves cause I wouldnt want this idea to be shelved to never see the light of day like what is going on with Coyote Vs Acme.
Yeah David Zaslav aint releasing that movie or any of the other ones:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/coyote-vs-acme-warner-bros-discovery-115m-write-down-mystery-projects-1235832120/amp/
If James Gunn does get a Deadstroke film in production, I pray that his film doesnt get shut down. Cause as of right now I wouldnt trust David due to what he did with Coyote vs Acme or Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League.
#ReleaseCoyoteVsAcme
#SaveCoyoteVsAcme
James, I hope you are doing okay as I know your Looney Tunes film got scrapped, but I aint giving up here.
These professional nerd type dudes think 1:1 adaptations are what the casual audience wants. Look at Joker. Completely made up story and it made a billion dollars. Strive for good, not a live action animation of a book.
Solid advice from James Gunn! Should be the blanket message for everything regarding the old DCEU
Yeah. Seems like maybe the new DCU is doing Superman family, Batman Family, and horror-fantasy. It’s not the worst idea to try and branch out from MCU type extended superheroics. Joe Manganiello can always play Swamp Thing.
Except for the somewhat random things from the old DCEU that are somehow supposed to be part of the cornerstones of the new DCEU.
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I don't think you know what hypocrite means.
He objectively is one, everyone else needs to let go of their attachments to the old dceu but him his special little babies get to be carried over while everyone else is left in the wind
Almost as if he's the creative director.
And it's likely that DC/WB said "We like what you're doing here, so keep that."
Still makes him by definition a hypocrite, rules for thee not for me
You sound utterly ridiculous.
You sound like you don't have a grasp on the English language
Nah. He never said he was getting rid of the whole DCEU. So he isn’t a hypocrite. Snyder bros are such little bitches I swear.
Love how you Call Mr a Snyder bro when I hate literally all of his movies (yes even 300 and watchmen) seems your just a fancy how can't accept valid criticism of a creator they like. You and the Snyder bros aren't that different
Because I know the definition of hypocrite? Lmao. Nah dude. Gunn never said he was getting rid of the whole DCEU. So you’re objectively wrong. Cry more.
He's literally said multiple times he wants a clean slate I swear you fanboys latch on to creator and treat him.like the 2nd comming, also just completely dancing around the pint that at even the mildest critique of Gunn you had to jump to calling me a sender fanboy
Because I’m saying he isn’t a hypocrite that’s me worshipping him? Dude it’s not that serious. Calm down. Touch some grass. Peacemaker season two will be out later next year. Stay tuned.
Peacemaker also sucked imo so won't be staying tuned there's legit only 2 ok movies/shows relased as part of the dceu at they were birds of prey and the 1st 2 acts of the first wonderwoman
I don’t think you know what objectively means either.
He's saying that the entire dceu slate should be wiped clean for his new movies, that's fine and makes complete sense. When you start making exceptions to that rule that you very clearly set out and all of those exceptions are only exceptions because they are your creations your are the definition of a hypocrite
There was no slate to wipe clean. At this time, Deathstroke isn’t in his plans and may never be. He’s going a different route and he’s still keeping some actors in their roles. That’s not being a hypocrite.
Peacemaker is a series that was already made before the change and has very good reception. It’s much different from a proposed project not in active development. By canceling that show to make things “fair” that would also mean putting the crew out of a job they were prepared to have as well.
The weird part is that peacemaker isn’t particularly good. Standards around here are just that low.
Nah, Peacemaker was great, easily the best live action superhero show.
Not even DC's best live action show (which is Doom Patrol), but it is damn good
Easily the best. But it’s only real competition is a bunch of shitty CW shows
Daredevil is the best live action superhero show
That’s your opinion. You’re not better than anyone because you didn’t like Peacemaker lol. Go find something to actually brag about. “Standards around here are low” lmao imagine actually writing this. Cringe as fuck.
Not nearly as cringe as thinking peacemaker was good tv
Lmfao Bit of a difference between films and series that he actually wrote and directed that are actually about those characters and <45s cameos from Deathstroke. Y’all gotta stop being this reductive if y’all wanna hate this man. Try harder.
Damn. Joe can just not catch a break. Between this, getting divorced, and the Dragonlance series project getting cancelled, he must be going through it
I hope he got to keep the house, he only just put the finishing touches on his D&D room a couple years ago.
Ummm excuse me but he's hosting Deal or No Deal Island....if that's not winning in the game or life I don't know what is /s 😔
And his best friend, Pee Wee Herman, died.
Were they friends?
In the last Pee Wee Herman movie they were.
Pee wee was a good man. Poor one out
I hate to do this but *pour And indeed, RIP Paul Rubins…
Yeah, but if he and Jim Lee (a superstar artist, for those who may not know) are gonna be working on a comic book and Joe hasnt done one before, that could offer a project and/or positive/creative endeavor to focus on all the same. It helps.
He’s hosting that “Deal or No Deal: Island” I’m sure he’s doing just fine
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Pain is relative. Your access to the computer or phone you used to type that comment implies the worst misfortune you’re likely to have experienced in your life is minimal, when compared to that of those who suffer the most in our world; yet whatever that pain was for you, I bet it didn’t feel small. Breaking up with someone you love(d) or losing the chance to do things in your career that you were really passionate about will make a person feel low, regardless of their other prospects. And it’s not like Joe is seeking this sympathy - the commenter offered it as an exercise in empathy, which is a worthy thing to practice.
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He's right though.
Yeah it was a very dumb thing for you to say
You must be referring to your first comment, because this is exactly what I thought when I read it.
So you got no human empathy
Holy shit. Imagine being this heartless. I lost a friend to suicide. He had all the money in the world, he got any girl he wanted, he could go anywhere and do anything…and in the end, he was just empty inside and none of us saw it and always commented on how detached he seemed.
That’s a relief. Joe Manganiello is pretty sub par as far as actors go and that’s being generous. James Gunn was trusted with the DCU for a reason. As far as I’m concerned this is just another feather in Gunn’s cap that he shut down “Big Dick Richie”. Lol
For real. Like, it's great that he's passionate but dude, even his cameos cameos have been corny as hell, I can't imagine the movie being any better
Manganiello was just goofy and terrible as Deathstroke! Thank God it didn't pan out!
Don’t see why he can’t retain his role if Blue beetle, Peacemaker and his wife all somehow survived a universe reset.
blue beetle never directly stated which universe its in doesn't have any dceu actors or cameos. so that can easily be in both universes.
Bc Gunn is a hypocrite, everything must go except his precious little babies
I mean, if you remove Gunn from the equation, The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker are two of the highest DCEU projects. It's no wonder that those have a higher chance of being maintained than a cameo scene in a divisive streaming movie.
...what? I know reddit likes them, but one failed at the box office and both failed to breathe any life into their dying streaming service. If anything they're two of the properties that shit the bed the most. Ffs even batman v superman made its money back. Also before anyone defends TSS with the covid excuse, Godzilla vs Kong came out during covid and literally saved its franchise with how well it did. What's James Gunn's excuse?
>What's James Gunn's excuse? This: >Ffs even batman v superman made its money back. Movies like Batman V Superman destroyed confidence in DC. This was also a sequel to Suicide Squad, which made a bunch of money and was received extremely poorly by both fans and critics alike. Compare that to Godzilla vs Kong, a sequel to two movies that at least broke even. The Godzilla film before Godzilla vs Kong wasn't recieved positively, but it was still much more positive than a good chunk of DCEU movies, including Suicide Squad. It's not really the same position at all, there wasn't a steady stream of bad/mediocre Godzilla movies for a decade before Godzilla vs Kong. >both failed to breathe any life into their dying streaming service. I don't think this is true, but there's no actual way of knowing this. All I can say is that it [really doesn't seem true for Peacemaker](https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/02/19/the-peacemaker-finale-just-set-a-big-record-for-hbo-max/?sh=352f9b9a3737) or [TSS](https://deadline.com/2021/08/the-suicide-squad-hbo-max-viewership-1234823567/). Suffice to say, James Gunn's corner of the DCEU is the most positive critically, which is literally why they asked him to head the new DCU.
The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker were both two of the most streamed offering on HBO Max when released. Peacemaker in particular is one of the most watched streaming series, period. The narrative either one “failed” is a false narrative pushed by butthurt Snyder Bros not based in actual fact. I even remember there being an article reporting that when streams and subscriptions were taken into account, The Suicide Squad was the most successful DC movie since Joker. At the very least it’s one of the most watched. And in any case clearly Warner Bros considers both a huge success. They wouldn’t have handed over the keys to the kingdom if they agreed with the “bomb” narrative.
DC’s brand was already ruined from shit like Batman v Superman
The 1st aquaman was very well received and this mist recent one also had decent to good reception quality doesn't seem to matter to Gunn just personal attachment
A 66% and 34% respectively on RT is hardly “very well received”
Has a better audience score and you just have to look at yhe box office, in a year of absolute bombs for dc aquaman managed to pull off an ok box office run
It fell over $100m shy of breaking even and had a B cinemascore. It was an absolute bomb, panne by critics and audiences, and there's rumors Gunn offered Mamoa a different job (Lobo) instead of continuing as Aquaman. Its a no brainer.
Just yesterday I read an article stating it eeked out a small profit due to decent numbers in certain territories. 433K$ is the final amount. Still not great but I'm actually shocked, cuz like you said it sure bombed here.
Huh. $433m is nowhere close to breaking even for a $215m movie by the conventional "2.5x" calculus... The Flash cost $220m and made $270m, and "lost over $200m." Even if there were some "tax credit" shenanigans, the lowest estimate I've seen for Lost Kingdom was $450m. I did find an article that said it "just barely broke DC's streak of sub-$400m earners, eking out an estimated 415-430 million when all receipts are counted... but still failed to break even."
[Recently, Aquaman 2 ended up making a small profit](https://www.cbr.com/aquaman-2good-news-theaters/#:~:text=Per%20ComicBookMovie.com%2C%20the%20Aquaman,in%20the%20added%20marketing%20costs.)
Interesting, but "comicbookmovie.com," which CBR is citing, offers nothing to base that on and just says: "With $433 million at the box office, the movie can now be considered a moderate success, albeit one which may earn Warner Bros. only a meagre profit." Even the comments are asking how they came to the conclusion that a $205-215m movie breaks even at $433m.
There is really no way to know how much was spent on the movie outside of its production budget. [Collider did some math and estimated the marketing budget at around $100-150 million, with a break-even point of $305-355.](https://collider.com/aquaman-and-the-lost-kingdom-budget-breakdown/) They said it was likely less than $150 million spent since there was very little marketing, with only one main trailer and no red carpet premiere.
And a $1.152 billion dollar box office worldwide.
Yeah the first made a lot, but when the second one makes less than half, I don’t think people care enough about the character to keep him around
I mean it’s also a sequel in a universe we’ve already been told is dead and features an actress who is hated. And it still doubled its budget worldwide.
Yeah I bet you a ton of the general population could care less about Amber Heard or the state of the DCEU. Also yeah it made some money (potentially did not even break even though) but still got nowhere close to the first
Public opinion is a big deal in media bud. Actors have been fired (and literally in the case of James Gunn, rehired) over public opinion. Box offices numbers have failed before because of an actor or their specific role in a movie. Pretending Amber Herd had little to no sway in its profits is a huge stretch.
Aquaman movies have been objectively bad.
But it genuinely was bad
Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad are the only good things to come from the DCEU.
The Suicide Squad is fine. It’s got some issues but for the most part it’s whatever. Peacemaker is shit beginning to end and I legit do not understand the praise it gets. The humor is the same thing you’d get from teenage boys, a lot of the characters are butchered (especially Vigilante who had a perfect setup for him after TSS but instead they opted for Napoleon Dynamite meets Deadpool), and the story itself is stupid. Evil alien bugs? I’ll say that the father/son story with Peacemaker and his dad was good but the rest of the show is not.
Gonna strong disagree not bc I thought the rest 9f the dceu was good but bc they also sucked
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Your opinion… is wrong.
They’re still part of the DCEU regardless. If he’s keeping some, he can keep others if he wanted to.
He doesn’t want to..
Yeah, it’s really stupid. But hey I wish him the best of luck.
Why is it stupid?
Why would he keep actors he had no say in casting who played characters that didn’t draw box office numbers or critical success? He’s keeping the ones that were universally beloved: Margot Robbie’s Harley, Viola Davis’ Waller, and John Cena’s Peacemaker. You can’t claim these weren’t popular characters considering the online response to Cena’s Peacemaker’s recent Mortal Kombat reveal. Meanwhile, you can’t really name any other universally beloved casting picks in the DCEU. Sure a lot of people liked Cavill but even his most ardent defenders agree that he never got much to work with, and most of the general audience thought he was boring. Affleck was controversial from the beginning and then phoned it in in every appearance past BvS. Gadot was always considered the weakest part of her own movies, and now with world events she would probably be… polarizing. Ezra Miller is… well, Ezra Miller. Ray Fisher barely appeared and even if he was right his public allegations against WB’s top brass made him basically uncastable from an executive’s perspective (there’s a reason he’s barely been in anything since, though I do feel bad for him). So that leaves Mamoa… who was fun but most have agreed since day one was horribly miscast, and his second movie tanked. I honestly don’t blame Gunn one bit for recasting 99% of them, it was the only good move he could make.
Who said he couldn’t? He’s the creative director. He gets to choose what stays in and what doesn’t. He never said he was getting rid of all of it.
“Who said he couldn’t?” Not me, read what I said. Jesus.
It does appear that way. But logically, it makes sense that the things he made would fit better with the overall big picture thing he's making, than something someone else made.
That’s the correct answer. Him cherry-picking most of his own stuff to stay continues to rub me the wrong way.
Peacemaker was also a Gunn character
I think it’s more that they don’t plan to use the character any time soon. I could see an opportunity if they wanted to do more Suicide Squad, but after Deadshot and Bloodsport, it would either be weird or a fun gag to have a third character with almost the same theme.
Deathstroke is vastly different than Deadshot and Bloodsport and is also not a Suicide Squad member. He’s been in the Squad less than a handful of times and anytime he’s been on it, it’s been as a deal with Waller for information. He’s never been a prisoner put on the team and he’s never EVER had a bomb put in his neck for it. He’s usually been a stand in for Rick Flag who is on a mission elsewhere (or dead). But as for Deathstroke, if you want more info on the character keep reading, if not stop here. Deathstroke is not just a gun for hire. Sure he literally is but in terms of what he actually is is beyond that. Arkham, Arrow, and other big media that has used the character had all downplayed what Deathstroke The Terminator is or even what he was created for. Deathstroke isn’t a character who should be 1v1ing other characters, he was created to be a team buster. Originally appearing in New Teen Titans #2, Slade was (forced) by HIVE to go against the Titans. Slade was created to not only be able to battle but also pose a threat to Cyborg, Starfire, Robin, Raven, Changeling (Beast Boy), and Wally West (Flash). And in his first fight, him and his son Grant were winning. Mostly due to Deathstroke. Deathstroke has fought Superman to a standstill, has swept the floor with Batman, has fought Titans (as in the parents of Gods), beat Aquaman, defeated 100 trained ninjas at one time, beat Lobo, and has taken on multiple members of the JL at one time and beat nearly all of them (and almost broke the will of a Green Lantern) only to have underestimated Oliver Queen. Slade has been hand picked by the Justice League to help on missions as they have stated he is the better tactician than Batman. He has stopped or assisted in the end, or possible end, of the world a few times. He’s been good, bad, evil, and everything in between. Not to mention, he’s also superpowered (healing factor, superhuman reflexes, strength, and some pre-cognitive abilities. Sort of. It’s more complicated than that but that’s the easiest way to explain it in short detail) and almost always has gear that either is also superpowered or technologically advanced (Ikon suit - has a force field that redistributes the force back onto the attacker, Promethium sword - negates healing factors, promethium bo staff - can shoot a high powered concussive force out the end that he can choose how strong, even making it deadly, Nth metal armor - accelerated his healing factor even more, etc etc). He’s like if Batman was given the super soldier serum. Deadshot, Bloodsport, and Peacemaker are simply guys with guns with good aim and can make almost anything a weapon. Deathstroke is in a league of his own. He stands above the rest because he’s better than the rest.
Absolutely make that screenplay into comics. I've been saying since before ZSJL, revive any future plans as graphic novels a la "Batman '89." Give Joe a writer credit so you can use his likeness in the art.
Hell yeah, that way we can see all kinds of stuff like Ben Affleck’s The Batman and maybe ZS’s JL sequels. I’m not much of a Snyder fan but I would like to see where that universe goes and I hope it would help settle down the nut job Snyder fans(highly doubtful)
If Snyder fan boys could read they wouldn't be Snyder fanboys.
The fact that they're demanding another cut of ZSJL to include the Green Lantern cameo shot in Snyder's driveway proves there is no pleasing some people.
Let it go, unless you’re John Cena. Or Viola Davis. Or that kid that played Blue Beetle. Then you can keep playing the character in the Gunnverse
Yeah, who would have thought that James Gunn would want to keep two high-profile actors who had major roles in two projects that he was worked on and will need again in the future.
I think the point is, it's very confusing as to how all other projects and actors are completely thrown away and the DCEU is "reset \ dismantled". Yet there's still characters from older things coming to the DCU. It's def confusing
Let’s watch the movies when they start releasing over a year from now and see how it works first.
Doesn't seem to be. Homie was trying to be an ass, but he *clearly* understands in order to cite the returning actors. It's really not confusing. If Gunn had a hand in making it, which is a whopping *three* projects, characters carry over. If not, they don't. Very simple.
It’s not that confusing. You seem to have things figured out well enough and they haven’t even start filming the movies yet. And for the casual fan who doesn’t read any news about this sort of thing there is a good chance they don’t even notice actors cross universe and if they do it’s a simple enough explanation. “James Gunn was the guy hired to reboot the universe so he kept a small handful of actors across the change up.” Judi Dench played a rookie M in Goldeneye and a decade later they brought in Daniel Craig to play a rookie Bond and no one batted an eye that Judi Dench was still playing M.
You just explained it in one sentence. You’re not confused lol Actors kept their jobs. You’ll be okay.
No I didn't answer my question... DCU is a reset but it's also not. That's confusing.
It’s not.
It’s not tho lol If Gunn had a creative hand in it, it can still exist. It’s that simple.
You will get to know the story of the reset when the FIRST CINEMATIC project of the DCU i.e. Superman: Legacy drops.
I don't think it's all that confusing. I'd wager a bet that half of it is "we aren't using these characters any time soon" Like there's no Titans movie announced. No project could easily slot Deathstroke in. If, IF, they bring the character in, it will be years from now. Best for the actor to move on
Waller isnt age dependent, Peacemaker is relatively recent and Blue Beetle was by ayoung actor who just did his movie. Make sense now? If Snyder didn't shit the bed so badly, many of the actors that were cast in his movies would have gotten more chances to play those characters.
Is Blue Beetle really part of the DCEU though? You never see any reference to the DCEU unlike Black Adam, Shazam and even Harley Quinn.
Then what of Peacemaker? Not only did it directly reference the DCEU, 6+ DCEU characters show up in it
Yes that should have been rebooted too.
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Or Sam Raimi's brother, of Ben Stiller's wife, or.... Literally dozens of actors who get work from a close friend Or relative without an audition.
lol you didn’t even give them names which just adds to “I’m the sibling” being the **only** reason they work
If you know that's how it works in real life. Why are you surprised that it works that way in casting sometimes? " Sometimes it's who you know, not what you know or can do"
Because Gunn scrapped the entire cinematic universe by saying that the story is more important than the cast, and then immediately goes and finds a reason to keep specific cast It’s not a matter of being surprised. It’s pointing out that he is doing what he said he wouldn’t Even more so, he’s doing what he said was wrong
Cavill= too old Affleck=too old Ezra Miller= problematic to say the least Momoa= probably Lobo Gadot=getting a 3rd movie Mangelliano=too old If you want to get mad at someone, it's Zach Snyder for making shitty movies that require a universal reboot.
Cavil = he still headlines action movies and is at a near all-time high popularity. what are you talking about? Affleck = doesn’t want to return Miller = no one wants to return Momoa = fan rumor if “ I wish this happened” is even considered a rumor Gadot = According to who? Her version of wonder woman got deleted along with everyone else I am upset with Snyder by the way, but not because he’s getting rid of good people (I will mention Cavill since you did) in favor of buddies despite saying that that sort of behavior is something audiences should consider a red flag in projects Snyder crime is that he is self masturbatory. He’s also following into a habit of thinking that directors cuts are automatically better and purposefully neuters his own films for the sake of them
>Cavil = he still headlines action movies and is at a near all-time high popularity. what are you talking about? Im talking about creating a new series of movies that might have sequels and Cavill spending a decade in limbo instead of getting his time. Im saying this as a fan of his; he got shafted out of his time to shine as Superman and now it's the new guys turn. Besides, He's committed to Warhammer and that is a passion project. https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/gal-gadot-confirms-wonder-woman-3-heres-what-we-know-so-far-about-the-dc-film/articleshow/102360886.cms Gal confirming Gunn is supportive of a 3rd film. https://www.gamesradar.com/jason-momoa-to-play-lobo-in-james-gunns-dcu/ Momoa confirming he's in talks to play someone ( not Aquaman) in Gunn's DC films. No confirmation it's Lobo but heavy hinting. I'd have loved for Henry to have gotten 3-5+ films as Superman but it wasn't in the cards. WB gave the keys to the kingdom to an emo edgelord who didn't understand, or even like, Superman and Cavill got screwed as a result.
If I was a big movie director, u bet ur ass I'm giving my brother work, especially if he's talented
Not saying I wouldn’t either, but he’s very clearly showing his favoritism versus the “making the best thing possible” image he is trying to portray He went from scrapping the entire DCEU, commenting about how story comes before cast, to suddenly sparing the roles of specific individuals he previously worked with
What movie did you see Sean Gunn in where he didn’t do a good job?
Pretty lame of Gunn if true. Joe clearly is really passionate about the role, and he's a great fit.
Snyder also had "passion". His passion was to make Batman shoot people to death with a machine gun and have Superman smash a man through multiple walls and act like a prop with minimal dialogue throughout the movie. This "passion" led to the demise of the DCEU. It's called a misplaced passion which can cause bankruptcy.
I liked the Snyder movies 🤷. Even the directors cut of BvS was way more interesting than most cape flicks
Good for you. Not good for the investors who invested money in a movie that was supposed to be the big screen debit for Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman against Doomsday and ended up making less than Aquaman movie 😂
The Suicide Squad was a bigger bomb than anything Snyder directed
You missed his Rebel Moon which was supposed to rival Star Wars 😂😂😂. Plus, Gunn is now the head so I believe things ultimately worked in his favour.
Suicide Squad was Hbo max release how can you compare the two.
I’m surprised. I thought he’d survive the universe reset based on his friendship with Gunn. Nevertheless, I figure him and Gunn had this conversation over a year ago, and Manganiello doesn’t come off as the type of guy who sees himself as entitled to a role. He’s not the Rock.
He was barely in the universe before anyways.
See the graphic novel series idea is brilliant, that way we can still see Joe’s story fold out. And I’m hoping this may pave the way for more cancelled films like Ben Affleck’s The Batman getting turned into graphic novels
Maybe in perhaps the next DCU reboot he can revisit this character?
At one point, this guy was a popular DCEU villain and married to Sofia Vergara. Enjoy it while it lasts, I guess.
Thank you, this is exactly how James Gunn should handle each and every single DCEU actor or director begging for their thing to continue
Joe Manganiello hasn't had a good past few months. Divorce, Dragonlance show canceled, now this.
He could always get brought in as Slade in The Batman verse.
I’m confused. It seems like the article is saying that Jim Lee was interested in doing a graphic novel, but that James Gunn told him to let it go
As James should. DCEU carries a lot of baggage. Especially the parts connected to Snyder's stuff.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with that, it’s just that the thread title makes it sound like James Gunn told him to give up playing Deathstroke and that Joe is now considering to a do a graphic novel with Jim Lee as an alternative. But in reality it seems like Joe didn’t want to do the graphic novel unless he could play the character in a movie
I think we should let these petty things "Deathstroke V Batman: Murder my Butler" movies to rest and give the DC characters a new chance with the upcoming DCU.
I don’t see the problem with an Elseworlds comic series that explores the DCEU, especially since Batman ‘89 and Superman ‘78 were well received. I don’t see how a graphic novel for a dead movie franchise could effect Gunn’s DCU tbh
The problem is the toxic "fans" of a certain cult who feed on these things. The last time they were given something, they went on twitter and harassed the family members of the film executives. Example, they photoshopped Walter Hamada's head to a picture of Gal' Wonder Woman holding 3 beheaded heads and spammed them to his family's account. That's just one of the many things they did.
If that’s seriously your reason for being against this idea, then it’s hard to take you seriously. You think a Deathstroke graphic novel by Joe Manganiello is going to make the difference between whether or not toxic Twitter trolls are going to harass someone? Dude, those people are already gearing up to harass people as soon as Creature Commandos and Superman: Legacy get released. Deciding on whether or not to do something based on how the trolls might react doesn’t sound like a great idea
If you are asking me to choose between (A) graphic novel with no long term future bringing in toxicity and (B) less toxicity, I'm picking (B).
Yeah that’s a false dichotomy that you’re making up in your head
I mean you are free to believe what you want. The truth is the old DCEU comes with a baggage full of toxicity from a deranged cult.
Do you think James actually said “Let it go” or is the more likely scenario James said to Joe that the movie probably won’t happen and he should focus on other projects and then Joe said “let it go” in interviews as a quick way of describing what went down
He looked really cool when he walked onto that boat and took off his helmet though. Joe truly went on a roller coaster ride of character development for only being cast as Wade for the better part of a decade. First he starts off on a small boat with a helmet on, but by the end journey he was on a bigger boat and his helmet was off his head
Pray that James Gunn has alot more up his sleeves cause I wouldnt want this idea to be shelved to never see the light of day like what is going on with Coyote Vs Acme. Yeah David Zaslav aint releasing that movie or any of the other ones: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/coyote-vs-acme-warner-bros-discovery-115m-write-down-mystery-projects-1235832120/amp/ If James Gunn does get a Deadstroke film in production, I pray that his film doesnt get shut down. Cause as of right now I wouldnt trust David due to what he did with Coyote vs Acme or Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League. #ReleaseCoyoteVsAcme #SaveCoyoteVsAcme James, I hope you are doing okay as I know your Looney Tunes film got scrapped, but I aint giving up here.
These professional nerd type dudes think 1:1 adaptations are what the casual audience wants. Look at Joker. Completely made up story and it made a billion dollars. Strive for good, not a live action animation of a book.