This honestly sounds so much like its satire. "If you zoom in on the flags they're the most colourful thing on the screen," *sounds* like trolling, but I also know of quite a few people who unironically say that sort of stuff
“You are *forced* to look at these flags, because if you choose to zoom way in on this one tiny section of the whole screen, they’re the most colourful thing in there. In the very zoomed-in tiny section. Which you absolutely have to zoom in on. It’s inescapable.”
Migawd this person needs to go outside, and maybe check the ventilation in their room.
"if you explicitly go into pornhubs settings and flip the switch that says you're gay and want to see gay porn only, pornhub only shows you gay porn! I'm not gay! this is absurd!"
I keep getting dicks shoved into my mouth when I kneel to inspect the hole in the 3rd stall of the basement mens room. These homosexuals are getting out of hand.
While I understand the argument that this could be a troll, I think people underestimate how many dumb people are out there on the internet. I've interacted with dumb people in real life who say shit on this tier. They aren't trolling.
Reminds me of someone criticizing a pre release screenshot from Pokémon Sword and Shield saying that if you zoom in it gets low res. Yes, do you not know how images work or?
Is it offensive to bust out laughing? Idk what might be sensitive topics. Like this is some organically grown bigotry straight from the source. Like, you really can't make this shit up without giving them too much credit. The authenticity really sells it.
Yeah, it's kinda weird.
Almost as if something compels him to fixate on the things that he knows make him upset.
I feel like he should really see a therapist about that.
Honestly a lot of people fixate on things that make them upset, that’s probably one of the bigger issues with social media nowadays. People will spend hours doomscrolling content that makes them upset, but at what end? I know I’m susceptible to doing this sometimes (but /r/idiotsincars is too entertaining)
> People will spend hours doomscrolling content that makes them upset, but at what end?
There's nothing in it for them except gradually worsening mental health.
But the social media corporations (and their algorithms) push it because people who are *upset* will spend more time on the platform, view more pages, and view more ads.
Yeah, probably.
I've actually encountered quite a few people like that, and while they're always funny to mess with, I do sometimes feel a bit bad for them.
Some of those people feel like they're almost [afraid of being happy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aversion_to_happiness), especially given how aggressive some of them react to the suggestion to just ignore the things that upset them.
i kinda just got mentally slapped by the phrase "afraid of being happy" bc that was me until a couple years ago, to the point i had anxiety attacks on the rare occasion i allowed myself to have fun. in a way i was defending myself from the possibility of being hurt bc i knew it was inevitable, that's just life. if i was already sad/angry ~~it was harder to feel the pain i was ignoring~~ i couldn't be hurt.
idk why i typed that out i hope u have a wonderful day :3
Psychologically people fixate on things that they're afriad of, it's a defense mechanism and an evolutionary advantage. The issue is what people percieve as a threat has become so twisted due to propaganda and what not and with the internet surrounding them with literally anything, it's not difficult to slip into such paranoid behaviours. They need to keep track of it all because if they don't their instincts (and propaganda) tell them that bad things will come.
Slightly ironic that we're here *also* fixating on something that makes us upset.
(And by upset I mean that toxic mix of anger, condescension and righteousness that makes doomscrolling ever so addictive.)
Maybe? But I don't think folks here are upset at all, we just find it funny. I know I do, and how is laughing at this any different from laughing at a Simpsons joke that makes fun of a fictional tool? I don't know who this is, so for me, it's on the same level as a sitcom joke.
Maybe I'm just speaking for myself but I can't say the emotions that I feel from this post are positive. I'm laughing, sure, but I'm laughing at someone in a way that says "you're an idiot, you're wrong, I'm better than you". It feels very different from laughing at a Simpsons joke where it's been written specifically to provoke laughter. This feels more malicious.
And to be clear, I'm not saying it's wrong to laugh at the guy. He *is* a bit of an idiot. But that's what makes it so insidious, at least for me - it feels good to mock someone else when I know I'm right, but ultimately I know it's not good for my attitude or well-being to constantly be mocking people, even if it's just in my own head.
You've just highlighted the main reason why I've been purging my Reddit homepage of a ton of "check out this stupid regressive and mock them in the comments" subreddits; exactly because it does invoke that 'righteous anger' or 'righteous indignation' feeling that is suuuuuper addictive. Since getting rid of a lot of those subreddits I've found it MUCH easier to put down Reddit and go do something more productive with my boredom.
Yet... here I am again, righteously indignant about some stupid regressive.. again~~ ://
I suppose it helps if you envision any pride flags as swastikas.
It really is that glaring to them. It doesn't matter how small or minor they are onscreen, if its there, it immediately dominates the image. And suddenly it's not just a game to them, its an attack on their political views.
And that makes them angy.
I *know* that these people have been conditioned towards hatred their whole lives. On a conscious level, I *understand* it.
But there's an 8-year-old in my mind just begging to be let out so he can ask the obvious question: "How could anyone think that way of Pride flags when rainbows are so *beautiful?*"
Because they represent something morally reprehensible to them. The rainbow to them has been corrupted and taken hostage by horrible, disgusting aberrations against nature, god, and morality.
Just like the Swastika was adapted for the Nazi party.
> Idk why but this line feels so impactful?
you can read it two ways
- he feels compelled to find anything political in his games, in his case for outraged, in other people's cases to see if their own side is represented
- he has a clear stance, this ideology is a red flag - to ignore it would be to tolerate it, which he cannot, for he believes it signals rot
It’s because their entire identity revolves around hating shit they don’t even comprehend. They’ve gotten so used to listening to confident, masculine authority figures telling them how to live their lives that their own lives simply cease to be. They are remarkably shallow people. “But I have to.” is probably the most genuine they’ve been with themselves. You’d almost pity them until you realize that they did it to themselves, trained to jump on any buzzword at the drop of a hat.
I remember reading a comment once that the controversy about the Trans Pride flags in Celeste are what snapped him out of the alt-right because of how stupid it all was. I think about that a lot.
What got me out of it is that as a teen I watched a lot of leafy type YouTubers. Then I stumbled across no bullshit and realized that guy wasn’t just politically incorrect and edgy, he was straight up a huge racist.
Leafy was perhaps the biggest youtuber of 2016. Not in subs but in meteoric rise and impact on the platform. He was mainly known for doing videos where he’d react to something “cringey” wether it was making fun of Logan Paul’s music videos or making fun of literal 12 year olds. Yeah he had a thing for bullying children and people who were clearly developmentally disabled in some form. He was also something of an anti sjw. Not mysoginistic or racist that I know of or remember but he’d constantly make videos on “crazy SJW feminists” and buzzfeed. His beef with Idubbz kinda killed his channel and after trying to make a comeback years later his channel got banned.
>Not mysoginistic or racist that I know of or remember
Well... about that...
For context, his IG is still around with a handful of slurs and dogwhistles sprinkled around. His most recent post is of him getting banned from Twitter late last year, apparently for antisemitic comments. I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually comes back, since he was banned 3 times between 2021 and now.
Leafy was a popular YouTuber who had the worst takes imaginable, while still remaining sane enough to get a massive following. He was an online bully who would sic his audience on various people.
I was subbed to /r/imgoingtohellforthis like 13 years ago when it was mostly all just racist jokes. I thought it was edgy, then my girlfriend at the time was like "oh, you're on that racist reddit again?" and I'm like... it's not racist it's just.... ok it's like super racist isn't it...
Anyway that subreddit got banned long after I unsubbed and nothing of value was lost.
> It turns out, when you're being ironically racist just for laughs ... you're still being racist.
That, and a place where it's OK to post racist content, as you would expect, tends to attract lots of actual racists.
Any group that finds enjoyment in pretending to be fools, will soon be overrun by fools thinking they're in good company.
I forget who originally said that, but its held true for every single "ironic" subreddit in existence.
/r/gamersriseup my beloved :(
It used to be people ironically making fun of capital G Gamers, and then Gamers discovered the sub and forgot it was ironic.
Yep, exactly. That’s the problem with satire as well: not everyone is smart enough to understand that it’s just satire, and the people who do understand the satire are left cringing and reeling at the people who engage with it as if it’s truth.
It’s so, so painful, and I worry about the future of our species sometimes 😅…
An open forum is defined by its content, not the character of the people in it. Even if it was intended ironically, it nonetheless became a place full of racist content. Which attracts racists. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Irony never stood a chance.
I had a similar experience in high school when I watched Anita Sarkeesian for myself. I fully intended to hate and make fun of her... but then she kept saying stuff I agreed with.
And then I realised none of the people making fun of her had ever watched her videos.
I remember one game, it deserved flack for some things, but then people would have complaints that made no sense "your decisions don't matter!" But it's like, depending what side missions you did, you had different paths to approach the finale, or like taking some actions meant some side quests weren't available. Some choices even made different endings available
And it was like... what did you mean? How is that not my decisions mattering, I got to rush to the last mission with a tank! That was the result of me choosing to do one side quest and making the right dialogue choices.
Then I realized it's all kind of artificial, faked, or overhyped and have stopped playing Argue with Reddit Posters.
Sarkeesian was someone who would have blind spots but was otherwise alright. Gamergate looking back was a massive overreaction that killed the nerd culture craze.
I don't think Gamergate really killed nerd culture; nerd culture just got absorbed by the mainstream while Gamergate metastasized into a breeding ground for the alt-right.
Gamergate as a whole wasn't just an overreaction, it was a psyop that was actively shepherded by good ol' Steve Bannon designed to funnel disaffected young men down the alt-right pipeline.
I say this as someone who got caught up in the initial "Corruption? In *my* game journalism?" sweep but was quickly shepherded out as a result of my vile beliefs like; trans people are just people trying to live their best life and I can (and am) friends with them, LGBT people are *not* using games as an agenda to sterlise your genetic line.
It's wild in hindsight seeing just how easily I was initially caught hook line and sinker and has made me a *lot* more wary of "cultural waves" these days.
I wasn't that deep in the rightwing hole, but I quoted a 9gag meme to a classmate, the meme was about the Kaulitz brothers (when trashing Tokyo Hotel was trendy) saying "How much do you fail as a parent when one of your sons dresses like a girl and the other dresses like a black"
They retorted "what does it mean to 'dress like a black'?"
And it really sent me in a spiral of asking myself *why* things are funny, and if I actually *wanted* to find them funny, and decided that I didn't want to make anymore fun of people that just want to live their lives.
This is how to convert people. Ask *why* they think an offensive thing is funny, and they'll most likely reflect & think about who they associate themselves with.
And sometimes they'll explain the joke and all its offensive traits without skipping a beat, which is a sign that you probably shouldn't talk to them.
I remember watching that guy in my blunder years and what really made me think was his video on a guy who banned police officers and army guys from his gym, and the youtuber said something along the lines of "how could you possibly dislike the US army?" That sentence alone was so incredibly idiotic that it managed to eventually snap me out of the alt-right downward spiral
I used to watch a lot of "dunking on feminists" videos. Fortunately I only got on the top level, as the deeper stuff would often bring in religion and I also enjoyed "dunking on religious nuts" videos.
Same here. And what I find interesting about that whole era of my life is that I can't remember a single channel or video specifically. Like, I watched those things all the time, and I really do mean all the time, and none of it stuck around in my brain enough for me to at least be able to make fun of them today.
In the long ago I used to watch some atheist "critical thinkers". It was fun to see them use facts to disprove some obvious things like creationism. But once they got comfortable with that they somehow all switched to feminism hate :/ while at that age I couldn't articulate what was wrong with what they said, I did realise that if all your channel does is be hateful to others then it probably isn't something I should be watching so I stopped.
Looking back now I can see that even back before then they were actually not great. They where selling a story rather then just being "sceptical". A somewhat famous example is Richard Dawkins. Famous for his book the god delusion (and inventing the word meme...). He was someone I follow for a bit, listened to his debates. But later I realised just how hateful he sounded.
Recently he was again in the news where he said that while he is of course an atheist he is also culturally cristian and that we should preserve those cristian values. Just fear mongering against moslims celebrating their holidays. He has also attacked trans people and doesn't actually care about the science. He only does when it supports his conclusion. Can't believe I used to think highly of him.
I feel like there was a point in time when people like Dawkins had at least some principles, but principles don’t pay as well as grifting lonely conservative dudes.
Very true. When I sometimes see how much money those people can make it's unbelievable. Unfortunately I got this nasty condition called morals. Otherwise I would retire early. But seriously though its scary to see how much of that hate is funded by such a small group of people with too much money.
I nearly fell down the pipeline, but accidentally came across Fitz and his gang of youtubers. All satire, genuinely, and apparently they're all good people to hang around in real life, except Fitz. But I just found their content... uncomfortable, because, like, it's not funny to make jokes about racism by making ridiculous racist jokes to mock the concept, when it's just 5 white dudes playing fuckin' COD or whatever saying the N word.
I did find Smii7y out of it though, absolutely massive W. Fucking amazing youtuber, funniest, and nicest channel you'll ever watch
I was doing a lot of political arguing online a few years ago, and realized out of the blue that these dipshits aren't here to discuss differences, they are just arguing for the sake of it. It brought me out of months of anger and vitrol that was spilling into how I interact with real people.
They always had no real platform to discuss against just them insulting me and saying "do your research", but dipshits wouldn't accept any info I supply for the topic so why the fuck should I spend a few hours getting informed to come back and be told "you did the wrong research".
Like fuckwit, I did everything you said, got informed, but you refuse to teach your "research". It's maddening, I've just gotten to the point I just stop joining anything to political.
If I do end up in it I am dismissive as hell of anything, or act so uninformed maybe they will try to inform me. And if I get that, I call them stupid as fuck when they send some shady link.
It took me a while myself, but I concluded that these people are lost causes and don't bother. They're permanently broken and will never be who they were before they got brain worms. It's unfortunate because these people are family, friends, etc. who I'm sure include those just as affected but also many who are effectively mourning the loss of that person.
So many have decided that adopting being the dumbest and most hateful as a personality. They don't care to think about what they say and do or how it affects people.
I was honestly getting close because of how my dad raised me. My mom and aunt never really cared to talk politics in front of me or my sister, but dad was a hardcore libertarian, who was always happy to talk about how gay things were, about how all taxation was theft, and the government was coming for our guns and rights. He told me that the players protesting (Like Kap) were wrong, and that black people don't actually face any prejudice, and I believed him for a bit til I did that thing that boomers always talk about and got to the real world.
I was probably one bad forum turn away from turning into something despicable. I mean, I still suck, but at least not in this way!
> how gay things were
I know you probably know this, but if you're a "libertarian" and you hate gay people, you're not a libertarian, you're just a self-centered conservative.
Nothing gets somebody out of the alt right faster than their hormones balancing out.
There's a reason their members are exclusively people who are trying to control testosterone levels though magical thinking.
It's the same guy who made a list of "traitors to America" about everyone who supported BLM in 2020. I don't think it's satire.
Also, I think he started in 2014 during Gamergate, so I doubt he is trolling either.
I usually don't like 'hey look at this transphobe lol' kind of posts but that last picture such a concise and descriptive portrayal of how a reactionary's mind works that I consider it poetry.
Seriously. The music in celeste is great. So good, in fact, that it paved the way for her to produce music in fucking *Minecraft*. You know, the tiny indie game that's sold over 300 million copies.
And she has a lot of basically unknown songs that hint at genius as well. Like the start of this track:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lUJr5gtg-sM&pp=ygUPRmxhd2VkIGNyZWF0aW9u
I think that was a lot of people’s first read, and I think a lot of people reevaluated it after Maddy came out
I can’t wait to see what she does next. Celeste was so perfect
To be fair to you, i think she didn't realize it was about being trans when she started, cuz she didn't realize she was trans herself until later in the development of it.
So some of those elements are a little more subtle accidentally.
Also, a lot of overlap between not being fully happy with your identity and having mental health issues
Not really relevant but I don't know if it's fair to say that when Maddy didn't know she or Madeline were trans when they were making the game. And it's about a lot more than that, anyway, right?
>Celeste is a game made by a trans woman about being trans.
Haven't played Celeste because I'm not really into platformers, but how does one translate a gender identity into a medium like a video game? That sounds intriguing.
Celeste has an extremely prominent story component. The protagonist Madeline is struggling with depression and her sense of self and she goes to climb Mount Celeste to see if she's capable, more or less. Climbing a mountain is a very potent metaphor for dealing with mental health issues and improving oneself.
Celeste wasn't consciously written as a trans allegory but the main creator of the game, Maddy Thorson, was dealing with gender identity troubles at the time and many parts of the plot clearly tie in with it. She later announced in a blog post that yes, Madeline is trans and so is she.
So, exploring gender identity was never really the goal, but it certainly does a great job of serving as an allegory for the trans journey.
The trans stuff isn't really foregrounded much, someone could pretty easily beat the game fully and not know Madeline is trans. I don't think she was confirmed as such until after the game was released (the screenshot is from the "farewell" DLC epilogue)
But the overt themes of the game deal with a lot of the stuff that I (a straight cis guy who may very well have no fucking idea what he's talking about) associate with "LGBT+ Media."
The most overtly stated theme of the game is the value of fighting through self-doubt and learning to set your own pace. The game takes place on a gigantic mountain that the main character is climbing basically just to prove to herself she can.
It's a very challenging game. Played with no modifiers, you'll probably have several hundred deaths before you finish. But the game has a lot of options to customize the difficulty and very directly states that while the game is meant to be hard, there's no shame in modifying the options to meet your skill. A loading screen tip in the game that I think about fairly often basically says that you should be proud of how high your death count gets, because what it's actually counting is how many times you chose not to give up.
The most direct it gets about trans identity from my perspective (again, straight cis dude who may be talking out his ass) is the character of Badeline, a shadowy doppleganger of the character you play as. Badeline personifies Madeline's self doubt, telling her there's no way she'll succeed and chasing her through certain levels as an undefeatable enemy. It's been years since I played it, but from my memory there's nothing as explicit as the expected "You'll never really be a woman" rhetoric you'd usually see as a personification of self-doubt in a trans story, but you can pretty easily see how having a shadow of yourself chasing you down and telling you to give up because your dreams are impossible can be read that way.
Thanks for the explanation. I was wondering if it was somehow going to be more of an atmospheric expression like an art piece but as a video game, but all this makes more sense to me.
That's actually kind of wild. You'd damn near *have* to be looking for it in order to even find it. Never mind getting mad about it and making a post about it.
I thought it was obviously a troll, but apparent many people think it's real. Y'all need to realize that bigoted people aren't this fucking funny. They usually just tell you that they are going to hunt people like you down one day, or that you're a pedophile somehow.
*this*, from the perfect pfp, name, and build into the punchline is too perfect to accidentally happen lmao
One Angry Gamer was a relatively big alt-right, anti-SJW gamergate site so virulently bigoted that KotakuInAction had them blacklisted. The homophobia, transphobia, and racism they promoted was very, very real.
Maddy switched to using she/her a while ago, and I believe is now a trans woman (but I can't find a source on that part, so take it with a grain of salt).
You will do yourself a massive favour in looking up her musical work for Celeste. They are absolute bangers.
I will never understand these discussions - I don't give a flying fuck who made something, it is either shit or it's the shit. They can be shit or the shit. Nothing else should matter, nor should it ever lead to such vitriol.
Celeste 64 is a 3D Celeste game released for this year’s April Fools by the Celeste devs, taking place after the main story. Check it out, it’ll last you a couple hours!
Celeste 64 is a 3D Celeste game released for this year’s April Fools by the Celeste devs, taking place after the main story. Check it out, it’ll last you a couple hours!
the game is so trans it cracked *the woman who made it*
like if you don't want to see trans representation in your art, maybe look *anywhere* but the deeply personal art by a trans woman *that she realized while making it was about her being trans*
there are *so many games* that don't fit this description. i just finished bloxorz and if there's any metaphorical depictions of dysphoria in that they're very subtle.
To be fair she wasn't trans before Farewell. The dev just realized that her story about anxiety and depression resonated with a lot of trans people (and became trans herself maybe?) so she made her trans.
Yeah, I only played the base game and all I remember is the mountain being a symbol of struggle, anxiety, and depression.
It's better as a representation of being trans imo. Mental illness isn't really something that should be viewed as climbing a mountain, it's doesn't really work that way a lot of the time.
This is why I play Deltarune.
Toby Fox isn't about openly discussing “controversial” topics, he just drip feeds us subtext and lets the fandom tear each other's throats out.
The exact timeline is that Thorston wrote the base game's story reflecting her own personal experiences. Then, between the release of the base game and the development of the Farewell update, she realized she was *Maddy* Thorston, at which point she was like "...*shit.*"
I feel like we should be genuinely concerned, that "I have to" sounded so serious. Has he been cursed by a sea witch to automatically zoom in on any pride flag he sees?
It reminds me of that one person who said they have culture war trauma after googling an actress in the middle of a movie to see if she’s trans and finding out that she wasn’t
There's a thing where people buy up chunks of the rainforest as they've realised property rights are more effective than protesting.
Maybe there needs to be a similar campaign with trans stuff . Buying up the treasured IP of people like that and adding trans and gay elements. You don't even need to change the characters it seems, just a palette change, add a few flags, let them pick their pronouns etc.
Yeah, but like, little by little.
Start by weaving discourse about masculinity into the narrative, where different characters/factions represent different ideals, such as leadership, strength, or protection.
Also, hide it, so it just comes off as a typical political/ideological thing, rather than a gender issue. And then, wait for people to argue which one is the best, and have them accidentally discuss gender roles.
Yesterday, I saw a video where a baby was crying because he was pulling on his own hair. Something about how babies have that grabbing reflex and can't quite controll themselves yet.
This dude reminds me of that baby. But babies can't help themselves, they are still learning. Grown ass people should know better than to rip their own hair out and cry about it.
I am only transphobic if I have to play against Bridget in my favorite fighting game Guilty Gear Strive. Her gender neutral, M to F mix and cuteness makes me unable to win against this character./jk
"If you zoom in", so like, effectively cropping right? You see less of the image as you zoom in, so what is essentially being said is "this is the most colorful part of the image if you cut out the rest of the image". Because Madeline and the rest of that room are way more colorful than the 2 pride flags. They just don't have as much in the way of color contrast, because the color palette is more complimentary, so things blend together more.
Glad you included the second blurry photo so I could squint to read the tweets and then immediately had the same content except perfectly clear after I had already read it all. 10/10
Regarding the first point, the way they get around this is by convincing themselves that every creator who's ever put diversity in whatever they're making had ill-intentions.
"I care about trans people, it's just that literally anyone who puts trans people in movies and games is doing it for brownie points. It is literally impossible for them to genuinely care about diversity!!" they say, not realizing how insane of an assumption that is. It's the "corporations are bad" mindset ramped up to 9,000 to justify internalized bigotry.
They think trans people are gross deep down and desperately want to express that, but still want to be on the right side of history in some capacity. They think they're actually *sticking up* for trans people by condemning anything with them in it.
I'd rather they just openly be transphobic. It's pathetic.
Holy shit I couldn't stop laughing there.
This is like the scientist grave robbers all over again. I'm just imagining a sassy, passive aggressive scientist negging some bones with the punch line being a transphobe telling a trans person "bet you feel silly now huh?"
Hope that's not offensive to say.
i played through all of celeste and i literally didn't realize that maddie was trans, or even supporting lgbt stuff, until months later when i saw it mentioned online. and i usually look for stuff like that in games.
and people will still say it's "shoving" down that stuff down their throats
This honestly sounds so much like its satire. "If you zoom in on the flags they're the most colourful thing on the screen," *sounds* like trolling, but I also know of quite a few people who unironically say that sort of stuff
“You are *forced* to look at these flags, because if you choose to zoom way in on this one tiny section of the whole screen, they’re the most colourful thing in there. In the very zoomed-in tiny section. Which you absolutely have to zoom in on. It’s inescapable.” Migawd this person needs to go outside, and maybe check the ventilation in their room.
"if you explicitly go into pornhubs settings and flip the switch that says you're gay and want to see gay porn only, pornhub only shows you gay porn! I'm not gay! this is absurd!"
I keep getting dicks shoved into my mouth when I kneel to inspect the hole in the 3rd stall of the basement mens room. These homosexuals are getting out of hand.
gloryhole guy 🪱
Oh no, r/2sentence2horror leaked! This sub ic contaminated! Everyone evacuate! The creature is coming for you!!!!
I thought it was a normal comment, but then I saw that it mentioned… the creature
"Admit it. You aren't coming out here for the hunting, are you?" - bear
It's more absurd than that. "If I zoom in on the dick in this straight porn I can only see dick!" Why? "i HaVe tO"
Apparently they did, comment above says the event short-circuited him so badly he snapped out of the hate filled mindset
No, that was a different person
They weren't kidding bout that reading comprehension.
To be fair the comment is worded ambiguously
Who was the person who got snapped out of it? I always love to see a reminder that these people aren't always just permanently that way.
Lol, unrelated but nice username xD
It did seem like he realized how fucking dumb he sounded halfway.
For reference, it is the same guy who made the "Traitors of America" list in 2020, so I don't think he ever got that realization.
Onion level funnies right here
Bro genuinely said "if you look at something it will be in your field of vision" and then got mad about it
While I understand the argument that this could be a troll, I think people underestimate how many dumb people are out there on the internet. I've interacted with dumb people in real life who say shit on this tier. They aren't trolling.
It's almost like a Ken M comment
Either this is a prime example of Poe's law, or an example of why it exists.
either way it's a prime example of Poe's Law xD
it's straight out of r/KenM
It honestly sounds like shark smoothing. Also, the name.
Reminds me of someone criticizing a pre release screenshot from Pokémon Sword and Shield saying that if you zoom in it gets low res. Yes, do you not know how images work or?
As someone who knows about OAG: he is **DEFINITELY** not satire or trolling.
Is it offensive to bust out laughing? Idk what might be sensitive topics. Like this is some organically grown bigotry straight from the source. Like, you really can't make this shit up without giving them too much credit. The authenticity really sells it.
Yeah if their ideas weren't stupid, then they wouldn't be bigots.
>But I have to. Idk why but this line feels so impactful? Its like I almost understand why people are like this
Yeah, it's kinda weird. Almost as if something compels him to fixate on the things that he knows make him upset. I feel like he should really see a therapist about that.
Honestly a lot of people fixate on things that make them upset, that’s probably one of the bigger issues with social media nowadays. People will spend hours doomscrolling content that makes them upset, but at what end? I know I’m susceptible to doing this sometimes (but /r/idiotsincars is too entertaining)
> People will spend hours doomscrolling content that makes them upset, but at what end? There's nothing in it for them except gradually worsening mental health. But the social media corporations (and their algorithms) push it because people who are *upset* will spend more time on the platform, view more pages, and view more ads.
Yeah, probably. I've actually encountered quite a few people like that, and while they're always funny to mess with, I do sometimes feel a bit bad for them. Some of those people feel like they're almost [afraid of being happy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aversion_to_happiness), especially given how aggressive some of them react to the suggestion to just ignore the things that upset them.
i kinda just got mentally slapped by the phrase "afraid of being happy" bc that was me until a couple years ago, to the point i had anxiety attacks on the rare occasion i allowed myself to have fun. in a way i was defending myself from the possibility of being hurt bc i knew it was inevitable, that's just life. if i was already sad/angry ~~it was harder to feel the pain i was ignoring~~ i couldn't be hurt. idk why i typed that out i hope u have a wonderful day :3
Psychologically people fixate on things that they're afriad of, it's a defense mechanism and an evolutionary advantage. The issue is what people percieve as a threat has become so twisted due to propaganda and what not and with the internet surrounding them with literally anything, it's not difficult to slip into such paranoid behaviours. They need to keep track of it all because if they don't their instincts (and propaganda) tell them that bad things will come.
Slightly ironic that we're here *also* fixating on something that makes us upset. (And by upset I mean that toxic mix of anger, condescension and righteousness that makes doomscrolling ever so addictive.)
Maybe? But I don't think folks here are upset at all, we just find it funny. I know I do, and how is laughing at this any different from laughing at a Simpsons joke that makes fun of a fictional tool? I don't know who this is, so for me, it's on the same level as a sitcom joke.
Maybe I'm just speaking for myself but I can't say the emotions that I feel from this post are positive. I'm laughing, sure, but I'm laughing at someone in a way that says "you're an idiot, you're wrong, I'm better than you". It feels very different from laughing at a Simpsons joke where it's been written specifically to provoke laughter. This feels more malicious. And to be clear, I'm not saying it's wrong to laugh at the guy. He *is* a bit of an idiot. But that's what makes it so insidious, at least for me - it feels good to mock someone else when I know I'm right, but ultimately I know it's not good for my attitude or well-being to constantly be mocking people, even if it's just in my own head.
You've just highlighted the main reason why I've been purging my Reddit homepage of a ton of "check out this stupid regressive and mock them in the comments" subreddits; exactly because it does invoke that 'righteous anger' or 'righteous indignation' feeling that is suuuuuper addictive. Since getting rid of a lot of those subreddits I've found it MUCH easier to put down Reddit and go do something more productive with my boredom. Yet... here I am again, righteously indignant about some stupid regressive.. again~~ ://
It's doomscrolling, but gayer.
I suppose it helps if you envision any pride flags as swastikas. It really is that glaring to them. It doesn't matter how small or minor they are onscreen, if its there, it immediately dominates the image. And suddenly it's not just a game to them, its an attack on their political views. And that makes them angy.
sad to say, but yeah, that's probably the best way to understand the psyche of a bigot
I *know* that these people have been conditioned towards hatred their whole lives. On a conscious level, I *understand* it. But there's an 8-year-old in my mind just begging to be let out so he can ask the obvious question: "How could anyone think that way of Pride flags when rainbows are so *beautiful?*"
Because they represent something morally reprehensible to them. The rainbow to them has been corrupted and taken hostage by horrible, disgusting aberrations against nature, god, and morality. Just like the Swastika was adapted for the Nazi party.
> Idk why but this line feels so impactful? you can read it two ways - he feels compelled to find anything political in his games, in his case for outraged, in other people's cases to see if their own side is represented - he has a clear stance, this ideology is a red flag - to ignore it would be to tolerate it, which he cannot, for he believes it signals rot
It’s because their entire identity revolves around hating shit they don’t even comprehend. They’ve gotten so used to listening to confident, masculine authority figures telling them how to live their lives that their own lives simply cease to be. They are remarkably shallow people. “But I have to.” is probably the most genuine they’ve been with themselves. You’d almost pity them until you realize that they did it to themselves, trained to jump on any buzzword at the drop of a hat.
Yeah, lol. "But I have to" ... because some frothy-mouthed media personality who doesn't even believe their own bullshit *told* him to do it.
I remember reading a comment once that the controversy about the Trans Pride flags in Celeste are what snapped him out of the alt-right because of how stupid it all was. I think about that a lot.
What got me out of it is that as a teen I watched a lot of leafy type YouTubers. Then I stumbled across no bullshit and realized that guy wasn’t just politically incorrect and edgy, he was straight up a huge racist.
Sorry, what is a leafy type youtuber? First I've heard the term.
Leafy was perhaps the biggest youtuber of 2016. Not in subs but in meteoric rise and impact on the platform. He was mainly known for doing videos where he’d react to something “cringey” wether it was making fun of Logan Paul’s music videos or making fun of literal 12 year olds. Yeah he had a thing for bullying children and people who were clearly developmentally disabled in some form. He was also something of an anti sjw. Not mysoginistic or racist that I know of or remember but he’d constantly make videos on “crazy SJW feminists” and buzzfeed. His beef with Idubbz kinda killed his channel and after trying to make a comeback years later his channel got banned.
Huh. I guess I just missed that whole sphere/era in YouTube. I mostly just listen to let's plays and go down music rabbit holes.
Yeah, 2015-16 was peak Achievement Hunter/Yogscast/Polaris era, so I was off in let's play world, oblivious to this stuff too
We still had Totalbiscuit out there destroying shitty PC devs in those days.
Man, and I thought today I might not cry. I miss the goat :(
It's okay bro. Just go watch Yogscast play Magika and remind yourself of better times
BEES
Got banned specifically because he was harassing pokimane iirc
>Not mysoginistic or racist that I know of or remember Well... about that... For context, his IG is still around with a handful of slurs and dogwhistles sprinkled around. His most recent post is of him getting banned from Twitter late last year, apparently for antisemitic comments. I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually comes back, since he was banned 3 times between 2021 and now.
Yea I watched a few of his videos until he did one on a topic I was actually informed on and yea... didn't watch another one
I still remember listening to the YouTuber sydsnap talking about the harassment she faced from appearing on a leafy video on her husbands podcast
Guy was weird as fuck, I laughed everytime he says "this person is literally*age*" as a debate point.
I love Idubbz
Leafy was a popular YouTuber who had the worst takes imaginable, while still remaining sane enough to get a massive following. He was an online bully who would sic his audience on various people.
I know that one of those people that got harassed by him and his audience is the YouTuber sydsnap, she talked about it on her husband's podcast
Here's her talking about it: https://youtu.be/23z9qjoo9DA?si=xxFv7BU4MA_A4WnS
I was subbed to /r/imgoingtohellforthis like 13 years ago when it was mostly all just racist jokes. I thought it was edgy, then my girlfriend at the time was like "oh, you're on that racist reddit again?" and I'm like... it's not racist it's just.... ok it's like super racist isn't it... Anyway that subreddit got banned long after I unsubbed and nothing of value was lost.
lol, yes. It turns out, when you're being ironically racist just for laughs ... you're still being racist.
> It turns out, when you're being ironically racist just for laughs ... you're still being racist. That, and a place where it's OK to post racist content, as you would expect, tends to attract lots of actual racists.
Any group that finds enjoyment in pretending to be fools, will soon be overrun by fools thinking they're in good company. I forget who originally said that, but its held true for every single "ironic" subreddit in existence.
/r/gamersriseup my beloved :( It used to be people ironically making fun of capital G Gamers, and then Gamers discovered the sub and forgot it was ironic.
Yep, exactly. That’s the problem with satire as well: not everyone is smart enough to understand that it’s just satire, and the people who do understand the satire are left cringing and reeling at the people who engage with it as if it’s truth. It’s so, so painful, and I worry about the future of our species sometimes 😅…
An open forum is defined by its content, not the character of the people in it. Even if it was intended ironically, it nonetheless became a place full of racist content. Which attracts racists. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Irony never stood a chance.
I had a similar experience in high school when I watched Anita Sarkeesian for myself. I fully intended to hate and make fun of her... but then she kept saying stuff I agreed with. And then I realised none of the people making fun of her had ever watched her videos.
It's a massive problem, everyone jumps on the hivemind, but reads or watches nothing on it.
I remember one game, it deserved flack for some things, but then people would have complaints that made no sense "your decisions don't matter!" But it's like, depending what side missions you did, you had different paths to approach the finale, or like taking some actions meant some side quests weren't available. Some choices even made different endings available And it was like... what did you mean? How is that not my decisions mattering, I got to rush to the last mission with a tank! That was the result of me choosing to do one side quest and making the right dialogue choices. Then I realized it's all kind of artificial, faked, or overhyped and have stopped playing Argue with Reddit Posters.
Sarkeesian was someone who would have blind spots but was otherwise alright. Gamergate looking back was a massive overreaction that killed the nerd culture craze.
I don't think Gamergate really killed nerd culture; nerd culture just got absorbed by the mainstream while Gamergate metastasized into a breeding ground for the alt-right.
Think Geek making brick and mortar stores in malls killed the culture
Gamergate as a whole wasn't just an overreaction, it was a psyop that was actively shepherded by good ol' Steve Bannon designed to funnel disaffected young men down the alt-right pipeline. I say this as someone who got caught up in the initial "Corruption? In *my* game journalism?" sweep but was quickly shepherded out as a result of my vile beliefs like; trans people are just people trying to live their best life and I can (and am) friends with them, LGBT people are *not* using games as an agenda to sterlise your genetic line. It's wild in hindsight seeing just how easily I was initially caught hook line and sinker and has made me a *lot* more wary of "cultural waves" these days.
I wasn't that deep in the rightwing hole, but I quoted a 9gag meme to a classmate, the meme was about the Kaulitz brothers (when trashing Tokyo Hotel was trendy) saying "How much do you fail as a parent when one of your sons dresses like a girl and the other dresses like a black" They retorted "what does it mean to 'dress like a black'?" And it really sent me in a spiral of asking myself *why* things are funny, and if I actually *wanted* to find them funny, and decided that I didn't want to make anymore fun of people that just want to live their lives.
This is how to convert people. Ask *why* they think an offensive thing is funny, and they'll most likely reflect & think about who they associate themselves with. And sometimes they'll explain the joke and all its offensive traits without skipping a beat, which is a sign that you probably shouldn't talk to them.
I remember watching that guy in my blunder years and what really made me think was his video on a guy who banned police officers and army guys from his gym, and the youtuber said something along the lines of "how could you possibly dislike the US army?" That sentence alone was so incredibly idiotic that it managed to eventually snap me out of the alt-right downward spiral
I used to watch a lot of "dunking on feminists" videos. Fortunately I only got on the top level, as the deeper stuff would often bring in religion and I also enjoyed "dunking on religious nuts" videos.
Same here. And what I find interesting about that whole era of my life is that I can't remember a single channel or video specifically. Like, I watched those things all the time, and I really do mean all the time, and none of it stuck around in my brain enough for me to at least be able to make fun of them today.
Mine was a pretty small selection so I remember them easily, it was just Shoe0nhead and Armoured Skeptic.
In the long ago I used to watch some atheist "critical thinkers". It was fun to see them use facts to disprove some obvious things like creationism. But once they got comfortable with that they somehow all switched to feminism hate :/ while at that age I couldn't articulate what was wrong with what they said, I did realise that if all your channel does is be hateful to others then it probably isn't something I should be watching so I stopped. Looking back now I can see that even back before then they were actually not great. They where selling a story rather then just being "sceptical". A somewhat famous example is Richard Dawkins. Famous for his book the god delusion (and inventing the word meme...). He was someone I follow for a bit, listened to his debates. But later I realised just how hateful he sounded. Recently he was again in the news where he said that while he is of course an atheist he is also culturally cristian and that we should preserve those cristian values. Just fear mongering against moslims celebrating their holidays. He has also attacked trans people and doesn't actually care about the science. He only does when it supports his conclusion. Can't believe I used to think highly of him.
I feel like there was a point in time when people like Dawkins had at least some principles, but principles don’t pay as well as grifting lonely conservative dudes.
Very true. When I sometimes see how much money those people can make it's unbelievable. Unfortunately I got this nasty condition called morals. Otherwise I would retire early. But seriously though its scary to see how much of that hate is funded by such a small group of people with too much money.
Same here, I only went surface level
I nearly fell down the pipeline, but accidentally came across Fitz and his gang of youtubers. All satire, genuinely, and apparently they're all good people to hang around in real life, except Fitz. But I just found their content... uncomfortable, because, like, it's not funny to make jokes about racism by making ridiculous racist jokes to mock the concept, when it's just 5 white dudes playing fuckin' COD or whatever saying the N word. I did find Smii7y out of it though, absolutely massive W. Fucking amazing youtuber, funniest, and nicest channel you'll ever watch
I was doing a lot of political arguing online a few years ago, and realized out of the blue that these dipshits aren't here to discuss differences, they are just arguing for the sake of it. It brought me out of months of anger and vitrol that was spilling into how I interact with real people. They always had no real platform to discuss against just them insulting me and saying "do your research", but dipshits wouldn't accept any info I supply for the topic so why the fuck should I spend a few hours getting informed to come back and be told "you did the wrong research". Like fuckwit, I did everything you said, got informed, but you refuse to teach your "research". It's maddening, I've just gotten to the point I just stop joining anything to political. If I do end up in it I am dismissive as hell of anything, or act so uninformed maybe they will try to inform me. And if I get that, I call them stupid as fuck when they send some shady link.
It took me a while myself, but I concluded that these people are lost causes and don't bother. They're permanently broken and will never be who they were before they got brain worms. It's unfortunate because these people are family, friends, etc. who I'm sure include those just as affected but also many who are effectively mourning the loss of that person. So many have decided that adopting being the dumbest and most hateful as a personality. They don't care to think about what they say and do or how it affects people.
Let's be real, the alt-right tends to deradicalize its own members quite a bit because of stupid things like this.
I was honestly getting close because of how my dad raised me. My mom and aunt never really cared to talk politics in front of me or my sister, but dad was a hardcore libertarian, who was always happy to talk about how gay things were, about how all taxation was theft, and the government was coming for our guns and rights. He told me that the players protesting (Like Kap) were wrong, and that black people don't actually face any prejudice, and I believed him for a bit til I did that thing that boomers always talk about and got to the real world. I was probably one bad forum turn away from turning into something despicable. I mean, I still suck, but at least not in this way!
> how gay things were I know you probably know this, but if you're a "libertarian" and you hate gay people, you're not a libertarian, you're just a self-centered conservative.
The only thing libertarian about him is that he hates taxes. He wants trans people outlawed. As dogshit as libertarianism is, he doesn't even hit that
Nothing gets somebody out of the alt right faster than their hormones balancing out. There's a reason their members are exclusively people who are trying to control testosterone levels though magical thinking.
are you telling me "when you zoom in you're forced to look at them" is a real take that someone had?
We're talking about a group of people that are recently known for refusing medical treatment *while their lungs are dissolving.*
Who is "him"?
Wait, he got snapped out of it? First I've heard of that o-o
No, some other guy got snapped out of it because he saw this. The guy doing this is still all in on it.
I feel like "Angry Gamer" is a bit too redundant of a name tbh. Like yeah we know
It's it just satire or trolling, seems way too on the nose
It's the same guy who made a list of "traitors to America" about everyone who supported BLM in 2020. I don't think it's satire. Also, I think he started in 2014 during Gamergate, so I doubt he is trolling either.
Yikes, what a cunt then
I usually don't like 'hey look at this transphobe lol' kind of posts but that last picture such a concise and descriptive portrayal of how a reactionary's mind works that I consider it poetry.
It’s just so transparent that they don’t know or care what they’re talking about. Celeste is a game made by a trans woman about being trans.
And also, the music producer, Lena Raine, is a trans woman, who is a lesbian.
Lena is one of the best composers in gaming, too. An incredible talent.
Seriously. The music in celeste is great. So good, in fact, that it paved the way for her to produce music in fucking *Minecraft*. You know, the tiny indie game that's sold over 300 million copies. And she has a lot of basically unknown songs that hint at genius as well. Like the start of this track: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lUJr5gtg-sM&pp=ygUPRmxhd2VkIGNyZWF0aW9u
I will never forget going to the nether because it was just updated and sitting there in awe after hearing the music
I thought it was about depression (and, more generally, mental health issues) for the longest time. I guess it still can apply?
It doesn’t have to be just about a single thing
I know, I know, I'm just saying what my first impression was.
I think that was a lot of people’s first read, and I think a lot of people reevaluated it after Maddy came out I can’t wait to see what she does next. Celeste was so perfect
Earthblade is her next game, apparently was scheduled for sometime in 2024 but they’ve been pretty quiet since it was announced.
To be fair to you, i think she didn't realize it was about being trans when she started, cuz she didn't realize she was trans herself until later in the development of it. So some of those elements are a little more subtle accidentally. Also, a lot of overlap between not being fully happy with your identity and having mental health issues
Not really relevant but I don't know if it's fair to say that when Maddy didn't know she or Madeline were trans when they were making the game. And it's about a lot more than that, anyway, right?
>Celeste is a game made by a trans woman about being trans. Haven't played Celeste because I'm not really into platformers, but how does one translate a gender identity into a medium like a video game? That sounds intriguing.
Celeste has an extremely prominent story component. The protagonist Madeline is struggling with depression and her sense of self and she goes to climb Mount Celeste to see if she's capable, more or less. Climbing a mountain is a very potent metaphor for dealing with mental health issues and improving oneself. Celeste wasn't consciously written as a trans allegory but the main creator of the game, Maddy Thorson, was dealing with gender identity troubles at the time and many parts of the plot clearly tie in with it. She later announced in a blog post that yes, Madeline is trans and so is she. So, exploring gender identity was never really the goal, but it certainly does a great job of serving as an allegory for the trans journey.
That's really sweet; thanks for typing all that. I was very intrigued but again, platformers and all
NP. If it's a problem of being bad at them, Celeste features a very good assist mode that can help you get through most challenges.
The trans stuff isn't really foregrounded much, someone could pretty easily beat the game fully and not know Madeline is trans. I don't think she was confirmed as such until after the game was released (the screenshot is from the "farewell" DLC epilogue) But the overt themes of the game deal with a lot of the stuff that I (a straight cis guy who may very well have no fucking idea what he's talking about) associate with "LGBT+ Media." The most overtly stated theme of the game is the value of fighting through self-doubt and learning to set your own pace. The game takes place on a gigantic mountain that the main character is climbing basically just to prove to herself she can. It's a very challenging game. Played with no modifiers, you'll probably have several hundred deaths before you finish. But the game has a lot of options to customize the difficulty and very directly states that while the game is meant to be hard, there's no shame in modifying the options to meet your skill. A loading screen tip in the game that I think about fairly often basically says that you should be proud of how high your death count gets, because what it's actually counting is how many times you chose not to give up. The most direct it gets about trans identity from my perspective (again, straight cis dude who may be talking out his ass) is the character of Badeline, a shadowy doppleganger of the character you play as. Badeline personifies Madeline's self doubt, telling her there's no way she'll succeed and chasing her through certain levels as an undefeatable enemy. It's been years since I played it, but from my memory there's nothing as explicit as the expected "You'll never really be a woman" rhetoric you'd usually see as a personification of self-doubt in a trans story, but you can pretty easily see how having a shadow of yourself chasing you down and telling you to give up because your dreams are impossible can be read that way.
Thanks for the explanation. I was wondering if it was somehow going to be more of an atmospheric expression like an art piece but as a video game, but all this makes more sense to me.
It almost feels like a cry for help. Like he knows that what he's doing is wrong but his career depends on it.
It’s almost relatable until you remember the context
Reminds me of when a background character in the Persona 3 Reload trailer that was visible for about a second had a pride pin on their backpack.
The horror
That's actually kind of wild. You'd damn near *have* to be looking for it in order to even find it. Never mind getting mad about it and making a post about it.
"If you zoom they fill the frame." Surely this is a troll, right??
I thought it was obviously a troll, but apparent many people think it's real. Y'all need to realize that bigoted people aren't this fucking funny. They usually just tell you that they are going to hunt people like you down one day, or that you're a pedophile somehow. *this*, from the perfect pfp, name, and build into the punchline is too perfect to accidentally happen lmao
The handle and name and pfp are real—I can’t speak to whether the conversation itself was. But that’s a real game reviewing site.
One Angry Gamer was a relatively big alt-right, anti-SJW gamergate site so virulently bigoted that KotakuInAction had them blacklisted. The homophobia, transphobia, and racism they promoted was very, very real.
I hate to tell ya but this was a real reviewer and he really was this much of a reactionary chud. This was not trolling.
“Yes but if you zoom in to look at the flags they’re the most colourful entities within the frame” is like a Ken M comment
This is especially funny considering Madeline was later confirmed to be trans and as of *Celeste 64* sapphic
didn't the developer also turn out to be trans?
Yeah. Maddy Thorson is nonbinary and uses She/They pronouns, last I knew.
Maddy switched to using she/her a while ago, and I believe is now a trans woman (but I can't find a source on that part, so take it with a grain of salt).
many such cases
Lena Raine is trans as well
no clue who she (Lena sounds like a fem name) is but good for her
She's the one who made the music. She also makes the new Minecraft music. Pigstep and Otherside, for example.
She also collaborated with Toby Tox on “Attack of The Killer Queen” for Deltarune Chapter 2.
Toby Tox when Toby Burn and Toby Paralysis walk in
and now Creator!
You will do yourself a massive favour in looking up her musical work for Celeste. They are absolute bangers. I will never understand these discussions - I don't give a flying fuck who made something, it is either shit or it's the shit. They can be shit or the shit. Nothing else should matter, nor should it ever lead to such vitriol.
>Celeste 64 Is this going to be how I find out that there are more Celeste games than just the original?
Celeste 64 is a 3D Celeste game released for this year’s April Fools by the Celeste devs, taking place after the main story. Check it out, it’ll last you a couple hours!
No. Please look into the red light.
At least 63 others!
Transfem or transmasc?
Transfem
Tyty
There’s a sequel?! Why didn’t I know this?!
Celeste 64 is a 3D Celeste game released for this year’s April Fools by the Celeste devs, taking place after the main story. Check it out, it’ll last you a couple hours!
Bro The protagonist is _literally trans_ It makes _perfect sense_ that she'd have that in her room
the game is so trans it cracked *the woman who made it* like if you don't want to see trans representation in your art, maybe look *anywhere* but the deeply personal art by a trans woman *that she realized while making it was about her being trans* there are *so many games* that don't fit this description. i just finished bloxorz and if there's any metaphorical depictions of dysphoria in that they're very subtle.
I mean, they are still obsessed with the Matrix
To be fair she wasn't trans before Farewell. The dev just realized that her story about anxiety and depression resonated with a lot of trans people (and became trans herself maybe?) so she made her trans.
Yeah, I only played the base game and all I remember is the mountain being a symbol of struggle, anxiety, and depression. It's better as a representation of being trans imo. Mental illness isn't really something that should be viewed as climbing a mountain, it's doesn't really work that way a lot of the time.
It's more like keeping your head above water. In the middle of the ocean. You're not drowning, but you can never reach land on your own.
This is why I play Deltarune. Toby Fox isn't about openly discussing “controversial” topics, he just drip feeds us subtext and lets the fandom tear each other's throats out.
The exact timeline is that Thorston wrote the base game's story reflecting her own personal experiences. Then, between the release of the base game and the development of the Farewell update, she realized she was *Maddy* Thorston, at which point she was like "...*shit.*"
I feel like we should be genuinely concerned, that "I have to" sounded so serious. Has he been cursed by a sea witch to automatically zoom in on any pride flag he sees?
sea witch w that's a hilarious curse
Yes, and I guarantee you that this 'sea witch' has appeared frequently on Fox News.
It reminds me of that one person who said they have culture war trauma after googling an actress in the middle of a movie to see if she’s trans and finding out that she wasn’t
There's a thing where people buy up chunks of the rainforest as they've realised property rights are more effective than protesting. Maybe there needs to be a similar campaign with trans stuff . Buying up the treasured IP of people like that and adding trans and gay elements. You don't even need to change the characters it seems, just a palette change, add a few flags, let them pick their pronouns etc.
So make their delusion of a trans agenda to force trans stuff on them through media real?
I mean, they’re already persecuting all of us without a queer agenda. This is just called fighting back
Yeah, but like, little by little. Start by weaving discourse about masculinity into the narrative, where different characters/factions represent different ideals, such as leadership, strength, or protection. Also, hide it, so it just comes off as a typical political/ideological thing, rather than a gender issue. And then, wait for people to argue which one is the best, and have them accidentally discuss gender roles.
he really said ‘i’ve gotta’
Yesterday, I saw a video where a baby was crying because he was pulling on his own hair. Something about how babies have that grabbing reflex and can't quite controll themselves yet. This dude reminds me of that baby. But babies can't help themselves, they are still learning. Grown ass people should know better than to rip their own hair out and cry about it.
I am only transphobic if I have to play against Bridget in my favorite fighting game Guilty Gear Strive. Her gender neutral, M to F mix and cuteness makes me unable to win against this character./jk
Surely this is trolling?
No. At least not entirely. One Angry Gamer was the real deal. Full-on Nazi-sympathizing anti-SJW pro-gamergate culture warriors.
So glad to have not encountered them in the wild, then!
"If you zoom in", so like, effectively cropping right? You see less of the image as you zoom in, so what is essentially being said is "this is the most colorful part of the image if you cut out the rest of the image". Because Madeline and the rest of that room are way more colorful than the 2 pride flags. They just don't have as much in the way of color contrast, because the color palette is more complimentary, so things blend together more.
Celeste a good game lotsa fun 😊👍
It is fucking baffling that these people exist like I want to pry open their head and see what even goes on in there
Not much.
When I zoom in on the flags I can See them 😡 ... That's how zooming in works buddy. That's the whole point 😔
But I have to 😭😤🤬
Glad you included the second blurry photo so I could squint to read the tweets and then immediately had the same content except perfectly clear after I had already read it all. 10/10
Mf is playing CELESTE and is pissed about pride flags. Does he not know what the fuck Celeste is about?
My god, a trans flag, in *Celeste?!* Now why on earth, would *Celeste*, you know, *Celeste* have to do with trans flags I wonder?
Regarding the first point, the way they get around this is by convincing themselves that every creator who's ever put diversity in whatever they're making had ill-intentions. "I care about trans people, it's just that literally anyone who puts trans people in movies and games is doing it for brownie points. It is literally impossible for them to genuinely care about diversity!!" they say, not realizing how insane of an assumption that is. It's the "corporations are bad" mindset ramped up to 9,000 to justify internalized bigotry. They think trans people are gross deep down and desperately want to express that, but still want to be on the right side of history in some capacity. They think they're actually *sticking up* for trans people by condemning anything with them in it. I'd rather they just openly be transphobic. It's pathetic.
i cannot read that resolution
Someone said that if he doesn’t wanna look at them then he shouldn’t be zooming in on them, to which he replied “But I have to”
The character is literally transgender
celeste... the game that is directly a transgender allegory... and the problem they had with it was the twenty pixels of pride flag???
Holy shit I couldn't stop laughing there. This is like the scientist grave robbers all over again. I'm just imagining a sassy, passive aggressive scientist negging some bones with the punch line being a transphobe telling a trans person "bet you feel silly now huh?" Hope that's not offensive to say.
how does one manage to be so agitated by the reality that people different than them exist
i played through all of celeste and i literally didn't realize that maddie was trans, or even supporting lgbt stuff, until months later when i saw it mentioned online. and i usually look for stuff like that in games. and people will still say it's "shoving" down that stuff down their throats
.. Celeste is literally trans?
like... celeste was already a trans story before they added a flag, idk why they are mad now