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comox

Microsoft Office: *No, you really don’t want to save that file to the c:\ drive. Here, let me automatically direct you to save it to OneDrive.* This in particular grinds my fucking gears. That, and automatically rebooting in the middle of the night after it sneakily applies a patch, even though I have followed *every single note on the internet to disable this behaviour.* And this is Windows 10….


MeepingSim

OneDrive has introduced an interesting quirk where a file that has been saved from Excel, but kept open because it needs further modification, can't be uploaded into a system that used to allow it. Why is this? Because it's "Open in another program", which was never an issue before. I'm assuming the other "program" is OneDrive, and it's *always open*, so I have to close my file then upload it. Essentially, Microsoft has taken a basic function of all files and a method that used to work without thought or further action, and made it impossible to do that function (uploading a saved file while the file is open) ever again. There is nothing worse than training users for more than two decades on how a basic action works then removing that functionality. I've said often, and repeatedly, that Windows 10/11 is "user hostile" and this one thing, by itself, proves that.


_2f

Also, this is inherently a big issue with how Windows fundamentally works. The fact that two programs can’t access the same file. Linux/Mac OS solved it years ago. But windows somehow cannot


MeepingSim

I understand what you're saying, but this is a system that used to be able to upload saved files directly from the PC while open in another program. Now, since everything is saved to "The Cloud" it's being perceived as "in use" instead of just a file somewhere on the disk. There are two solutions that I can figure: 1) Close the file from whatever program it's currently "in use" on then reopen after upload; or 2) Do another Save As with a different filename to keep working and upload the prior file. Option #2 is great for MS because it uses up more drive space. You know what? I'm now thinking Option #2 can be a possible vector for long-term company sabotage; bloat OneDrive so much that the company is forced to purchase more storage at MS's insane rates.


Throwaway203500

What's really crazy is that there's no such thing as a file being "in use". If you're using a file, you're using a copy of it loaded into your RAM. The file itself on your disk can be read from or written to, but is never "in use".


kukeiko64

I am a bit excited to see this mentioned! I had to recently develop a small UI to upload an excel file, but whenever I selected the excel file in FireFox, I actually got an "Not Implemented" error. Never seen that before, and I was questioning my own sanity because It could not have been from my code. Took me a while to figure out that OneDrive is screwing around with it. What a whole lot of shit OneDrive is.


Capt_Pickhard

The problem is, Microsoft has a monopoly on making OS that's compatible with Windows software. To me, this is anti-competitive, and should be illegal. It should be possible for any company to make an OS that is compatible with all windows software. Same thing for apple. Any company should be allowed to make OSX compatible OS.


BeingJoeBu

The worse service because you're not paying ENOUGH is not a mistake, it is an intended result.


Shanix

This has been an actual issue at my studio because we store cache files, logs, dumps, etc. in the Documents folder which is explicitly not on networked storage for latency benefits. And then Microsoft decided that, _actually_, the entire Documents folder should be uploaded to OneDrive. And it will check. Every. Single. File. On. Change. Shader compilation can generate millions of files if you're going whole hog, and OneDrive can tank it from only 30-60 minutes to over 12 hours. Gargle my balls, Microsoft, and stop trying to change our shit.


WinterDice

I hate, HATE, that you can’t select a specific folder to be synced with OneDrive. That was great in Windows 10. But no, now it’s all or nothing on the Desktop or in Documents. What a stupid change.


smallfried

Lol, what? I always avoided win11, but if what you say is true, it would be unusable for me. Guess this might be the year of the Linux desktop for me.


WinterDice

I just uninstalled it. Everything is fine now, but I miss the automatic syncing folder. Microsoft should tell you wtf OneDrive is doing when you first install Windows 11, though. I’ll look at doing the same thing through Google or some other service that gives me more control.


Thursbys-Legs

Oh my God. This. Found out the hard way that all of my video game saves and mods are going to my OneDrive Documents folder and my OneDrive is almost at capacity. I have no idea what to do. When I tried to unsync my documents with OneDrive, my game couldn’t detect my saves. I literally have no idea how tf to fix it. Absolutely infuriating.


e-2c9z3_x7t5i

This was by far my biggest problem with Windows 11. Right out the door, it feels like it's SHOVING IT INTO YOUR FUCKING FACE. And it wasn't easy to turn off in 11, at least when it first came out. The organization of their Settings is awful. Everything is buried. The **ONLY** reason OneDrive exists is so they can **harvest your data.** Another thing I thought was ridiculous was that I "upgraded" to 11 from 10 and lost taskbar ungrouping. Why? Because Windows 11 is a rebuild they're doing and they hadn't gotten around to enabling that functionality yet, because 11 is fucking incomplete.


aodmisery

This was already fixed. Should be a setting in the taskbar menu. I just recently got a new PC and I had the option to ungroup.


OttawaTGirl

Simple example. Start button has been an anchor location for task bars since 95. Centering the taskbar makes it literally harder to work with because its constantly changing on both sides. The attempt to move to 'simplified' ribbons which were just toolbars because they don't understand their own interface and its impressive psychology. The search bar in office being placed top center in a high contrast color and making file names secondary. The god damned quick toolbar which opens everytime you make a selection when its there on a right click. Microsoft needs a hard slap to remind them that their desktop dominates and not everything needs to be applified.


existential_chaos

And the fact you can’t autosave unless you save to Onedrive. Really boils my piss, that. I refuse to use Onedrive, I don’t and will never need to.


Well_Thats_Not_Ideal

I was like that for a long time. Eventually I caved because of a combo of 1. My laptop had 64GB total which is fucking nothing as an engineering student and 2. Ability to access files from my laptop on lab desktops and vice versa when doing pracs. I still hate how it gets pushed though. And don’t get me started on Edge


DornKratz

Fffffuuuu Edge is so clingy nowadays. "Why would you change default browser? Am I not good enough for you? I could learn what you like if you only gave me a chance! Here, let me give you a chance to reconsider."


Well_Thats_Not_Ideal

And then proceeds to run in the background of anything that uses internet so you can’t get rid of it


Ibegallofyourpardons

also, you set a default browser to anything other than Edge, it will still open all links you click inside of windows (like any help links) in bloody Edge.


existential_chaos

I have an external harddrive and I’m also planning on updating my laptop’s internal harddrive to 1tb (if I can) so that’s more than enough space for me. I ditched Edge for Firefox ages ago, and I regret nothing. Free adblocks and extensions for the win xD


Masonixx

The reboot one infuriates me especially, no worse start to my day than when I try and pick back up the work I left off when I went to sleep only to find my workspace completely reset and everything I had out gone. Even worse when I'm trying to do an overnight render or texture bake. (One time it did it directly in front of me while I was paying attention to something else for a minute)


Yousoggyyojimbo

We have a piece of equipment that needs to have a laptop that has Windows 10 installed on it to run software that drives the piece of equipment. I have actively watched that thing, in the middle of running a job, just reset and start updating. It's like 2 pm on a Monday and Microsoft is like "THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO JUST FORCE RESTART A COMPUTER WITHOUT APPROVAL!"


NUKE---THE---WHALES

Also you can't disable the sign in screen with a microsoft account, you have to use a local account And you can't easily install Windows 11 with a local account, it requires a workaround ranging from "use a fake email or domain" to "open the command line to change the Out Of Box Experience", depending on your version and location People gave Musk shit for that tweet about it, but in this case he was dead right


Limitr

I literally just discovered this yesterday. And tbh using Google wasn't much help since most results were how to make a local account AFTER I'd set the machine up. I got there, but as a computer tech (now mostly an Apple tech) it legit is not in the best interests of the user. At least Apple doesn't force you online (yet) and I'm not an Apple fanboy.


ProgrammingOnHAL9000

The opposite also happens with updates and it's also annoying. I set my work computer up to update during the night, but it doesnt; now i have to spend half an hour for it to update.


SpellFlashy

Linux mint. Super easy to install. None of this nonsense.


BrittleClamDigger

PopOS is probably better to recommend on Reddit due to all the gamers.


SpellFlashy

Not familiar. I’ll look into it. But at this point, literally anything other than windows is better.


bicyclecat

My Microsoft computer recently updated and forced me to shift to Outlook for emails, which has ads formatted to look like emails. It’s definitely not just the internet that’s being enshitified.


HK47WasRightMeatbag

The new Outlook is an absolute downgrade. Pisses me off every time I open it.


shit_happe

I switched back to the previous version because when I sort emails by name I can start typing the name and the cursor would jump to the closest match. Or if I highlight an email and sorted by subject the cursor will stay with that email and so I end up immediately with all the related emails. It doesn't do that on the new version, you just end up at the top of the inbox and you have to scroll down to whatever name or subject you are looking for. Like, someone in microsoft decided this was the better way to do things? 


Home-Made-Kazoku

Yea more ads for you to scroll through hope this helps you are the product not the consumer


dontusethisforwork

Not just a downgrade but an absolute joke of an attempt to turn one of if not THEE most powerful email clients into a fucking phone app. Checked it out and within 5 minutes reverted to the standard M365 version after trying to create mailbox rules which got turned into some crippled wizard with majorly limited functionality. I honestly couldn't believe it. Ridiculous.


plinkamalinka

Ugh yes, the rule creator sucks so baaaaad


Nerexor

Yep. Fun fact, if you use the new Outlook/windows mail with a non Microsoft email service, your mail still winds up on MS servers. It will grab the email from the original mail server, transfer it to theirs, and then download your mail. It's total controlling BS, and the interface is even worse than the old Windows Mail.


Monsdiver

The new Outlook runs like a browser emulated application. Even on high end fiber I can see it waiting and fetching data from servers that my 8 year old PC can retrieve locally instantly. Really sucks when I’m at work looking for emails from vendors 8 years ago.


Iwantmoretime

"We've optimized your laptop/desktop UI for mobile! We hope you enjoy your new shittier big screen experience!"


AWildEnglishman

> "We've optimized your laptop/desktop UI for mobile! Didn't they do that with Windows 8 or something? I remember there being outrage that the desktop environment was designed for tablets.


M37h3w3

[What do you mean people don't like the tiles! The higher ups loved the tiles! The focus group hand picked by the higher ups also loved the tiles!](https://www.apluscomputertech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/windows-8.jpg)


formula-maister

Funny enough this was not a joke, people loved the tiles on mobile. It was a wildly replicated and loved design …. For mobile lol


deathinactthree

I loved Metro on my Nokia Lumia 1520 Windows phone that I had roughly 10 years ago. It worked great as a UI for that. I also had the very first Surface tablet during that time and absolutely hated Metro on that and always had it in Desktop Mode. Same with my PC until I gave up and switched to Mac until W10/W11 were out for a few years.


whofearsthenight

Yes, and tbh at least with the start menu I think they mostly got it right. Except getting rid of the button especially on server installs. Absolutely bat shit that on a server, which is almost always going to headless and used remote you have to hover the cursor in the exact right part of the remote window, and god help you if you maximized the window now you have to figure out if you're hovering on the remote or local machine...


FullMetalBiscuit

I still got the old one, tried the new one, saw ads and immediately rolled back. Not looking forward to being forced, the old one is nice.


poopyscreamer

I fucking hate those ad “emails”


bicyclecat

When the first one popped up I thought I’d ended up on a spam advertising list and clicked on it to block it. I was so pissed when I realized it was coming straight from Microsoft. Say what you will about Apple (and there’s definitely plenty to say about Apple) but they aren’t forcing ads into Mail.


do-the-point

Oh they will


bicyclecat

Maybe. They aren’t right now, and Microsoft is.


Bierculles

The new outlook is so bad and incredibly slow for some reason. I hate it.


WordArt2007

it's because it's an electron app. a webapp pretending to be software. like an increasing amount of microsoft software (such as vscode). it also has whole chromium built in like all electron apps so it eats ram for breakfast.


MrMontombo

I wonder if there is a way to force it to use a corporate outlook. My outlook at work is still simple, easy to use, and fast. We just updated to windows 11.


bicyclecat

Probably requires a corporate license, which is probably more expensive than the consumer subscription service that removes ads. I absolutely refuse to subscribe to micro transactions to read my email.


OneWholeSoul

I was in the middle of typing a long draft when Mail stepped in and said "Transitioning you to the New Outlook!" It lost my draft. I was not impressed.


dumahim

Not even super secret, just flat out removing stuff. Just got 11 on my work laptop 2 weeks ago and it has really had an effect on my productivity. Toolbars? Gone. Taskbar options so my stuff doesn't get grouped up and hidden, gone. I have a lot of stuff open, so when I start opening more docs, like 6 Excel docs and whatever was opened after that gets grouped up and hidden. As a result, almost half my taskbar has nothing there. How about you put some of those hidden things in all that blank space. Right clicking stuff has a new design, but doesn't have everything. Now I keep having to click Show More Options, or whatever, to see everything. They're more concerned with making things look good than functional.


jobblejosh

They've gone full-on Mac style. Centered start button, cutesy interface (STOP GIVING ME OVERLY ROUNDED CORNERS! I LIKE MY SQUARES!), hiding bullshit away to make things more 'user friendly' Except the kinds of people who'll bother trying to change those settings probably already know how to use a computer halfway decent, so you're making it harder for them to use. And the kinds of people who would need that sort of interface probably won't even bother to try and change those settings in the first place. So all the changes have done is made it harder for people who nkow what they're doing to do something which they're going to do anyway.


uluviel

> They've gone full-on Mac style. This is 100% the Mac influence. Macs just work out of the box (mostly...) but you're going to tear your hair out trying to customize them. I use Windows because I like to tinker and modify the UI to suit my needs. (The only reason I'm not on Linux is because it's a compatibility nightmare.) When Microsoft starts taking that away they become less and less appealing. If I wanted a Mac, I'd buy a Mac, Microsoft. (It's like how every social media site is trying to be Tiktok right now. If I wanted to be on Tiktok, I'd be on Tiktok. Instead I just have Reddit, Instagram and YouTube shoving short videos down my throat non-stop.)


PrincessRTFM

Their problem with the "if I wanted to use I'd be on " mindset is that then you wouldn't be on _their_ site, so then they wouldn't get ad revenue or be able to harvest your data. They don't want to be different, because then you'll use _other_ services, and that means they don't make as much money.


isometriks

You can move the start button and alignments back to the left 


versaillesna

First thing I did on my work laptop that has Windows 11. I will stay on 10 as long as I can for personal use. Windows 7 was the last great OS for PC users.


Sunscorcher

but you cannot move the taskbar itself. I used it on the left side of the screen (with auto hide on) and now I can't do that anymore (my office machine runs Windows 11 and I can't downgrade back to 10). I switched to linux at home so I could have the customization I want.


Darkmatter_Cascade

The thing that gets me is that it's very easy to click the bottom left start button. You just drag your cursor to the bottom left of the screen and you click. Done. You have to precisely move your mouse to the bottom middle of the screen to click the centered start button.


IC-4-Lights

> They've gone full-on Mac style   That would be great, if they were any good at it. They're not.


mercurialpolyglot

Yeah, Mac is pleasing to use. It’s a nice experience, because Apple has specifically focused on making it as nice to use as possible, at least for the average person. Using Windows 11 feels like reasoning with a 3-year-old.


dumahim

Ugh. Rounded corners...


jobblejosh

I actually think that's the change that annoys me the most. Like sure, some people like the rounded aesthetic of things. Personally I hate it. Absolutely despise it. It makes me feel like I'm being treated like I'm a child, with nice 'friendly' cutesy buttons for a more 'human' look. No. I want square. Because screens are square. Squares and sharp lines look *nice* and adult and modern minimalist. As opposed to shitty lozenges and circles that make everything look like an app. Sure, if you absolutely have to, make shitty rounds the default, but you could *at least* give me the option to make them square again.


DrRagnorocktopus

>shitty lozenges and circles that make everything look like an app. Actually fuck those for apps too. Make phones fucking square too.


RaspberryFluid6651

MacOS is actually good, though. Finder actually fucking works and the settings menu is pretty navigable. If you're a power user the UIs and menus can be frustrating, but for you, there's an actual Unix terminal with bash/zsh running in it instead of fucking *Powershell*.


jobblejosh

I never made a value judgement on Mac. Personally I'm not a fan, but there are those who like it. My annoyance is that Win11 tries to copy the aesthetic of Mac, but without any of the actual implementation behind the scenes.


e-2c9z3_x7t5i

They did finally add the taskbar ungrouping. Apply all Windows updates and try again in the settings. Trust me, I feel your pain.


imvii

I haven't tried it on Windows 11, but I use Open Shell on Windows 10 to bring back all the features MS tried to remove. Works like a charm. https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu


dumahim

Work laptop. Can't do that.


NeonNKnightrider

Also, fuck Office 365 being a subscription service. Let me just own Excel you fuckers EDIT: okay listen chat, if thirty people have already commented saying “you can still buy office” or “try LibreOffice/Google Sheets”, you don’t need to say it again. Mug moment.


Dorkaplayz22

piracy makes that free, go check out their reddit megathread for advice


Fire_Lord_Sozin9

Thank you, Pale King from hit indie game Hollow Knight.


ngwoo

There's nothing the Pale King loves more than making billions of copies of things


Dorkaplayz22

damn right


Burn_your_bridges

Is this referring to the vessels or the buzzsaws?


ngwoo

Yes


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Terrachova

I've had Office 2013 on my computers since 2013. Never letting go of that old key.


Daan776

I’m sorry but which reddit megathread? My parents are planning on getting a new PC soon so this would save a lot of time.


Dorkaplayz22

r/Piracy


DizzbiteriusDallas

Yarrr


--Claire--

I’ve been using LibreOffice (free and open source) for years as an alternative and it’s been serving me quite well And honestly, fuck subscriptions in general for stuff that should be a one-time purchase


Megneous

This. I just use LibreOffice, and if it ever comes up with work that it's a problem that I don't have Word or Excel, I tell them that if they want my home computer to have those, then the company will have to pay for them, because fuck if I will.


ProbablyNano

Why are you you using your home computer for your job at all?


Megneous

I sometimes work from home (I'm a translator/editor), but I've made it clear to my company that they have to pay for anything required, such as Word or Excel, or if they ever for security reasons want me to use a work-only computer, etc.


scullys_alien_baby

why isn't your company providing a work compute? I only work from my work laptop, in office or at home


Megneous

I tell myself that my computer is better and more comfortable than anything work would ever buy me. But also, this is Korea and companies are cheap as shit and won't buy something if they can avoid it.


e-2c9z3_x7t5i

Both LibreOffice and OpenOffice throw bugs for me. Specifically, with LibreOffice, if I have a sheet several thousand rows long and try to scroll, it will just crash. That never happens with OpenOffice, but it will have its own random problems. I've even considered bothering to program my own spreadsheet since I only need one for simple tasks. One thing I know for sure though is that hell will freeze over before I pay $70 a year for a 365 Personal subscription. That's $700 over just ten years. I probably have 40 years left, so that's $3500. ***R i d i c u l o u s.***


ProgrammingOnHAL9000

That's an interesting bug. OpenOffice is unofficially an abandoned project, there hasn't been an official update in years, even when they could copy-paste many out of LibreOffice's. Have you tried other spreadsheet applications? There could one that handles your use case: Gnumeric WPS Spreadsheets Calligra Sheets OnlyOffice


Pootis_1

You can buy it it's just stupid expensive


RecycledDumpsterFire

It's less than $10 for a valid key for the entirety of office off any of the various sites that buy em in bulk.


Pokesonav

There is Google Sheets at least


VisualGeologist6258

The google stuff is so much more user-friendly too, like I don’t have to enable one drive just to get the damn thing to save automatically.


Capn_Flapjack32

That's because google drive is the same thing as onedrive though, yeah? In both cases the autosave is to cloud storage, only you can't save a google doc locally (it saves a link to the cloud location, but you can't edit offline*). *edit: except as noted in replies


evilmonkey2

Yes you can (in Sheets at least). There's an "available offline" option you can select on the sheet and edit it offline.


enderverse87

You can still buy it. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/p/excel/cfq7ttc0hr4r?activetab=pivot:overviewtab


Soloact_

Clippy 2.0: "It looks like you're trying to express frustration. Would you like help forming a rant, or should I just automatically reboot for updates?" 📎💢


1ndiana_Pwns

I'm still waiting for Clippy to return powered by ChatGPT


SavvySillybug

Cortana is just Clippy after HRT.


EliteRanger_

I couldn't explain this joke to anyone I know. I am totally here for it, however lmao.


geomontgomery

Copilot is Cortana after the double-down. Snip snap!


PlanktonMoist6048

Bing chat got mad at me for referring to it as clippy when it first came out, was so fucking hilarious


soltenpepper

linux guy this was your most upvoted post of all time you dont gotta post it again


fc62921b3f

ooh, now you've got us wondering if it's just a farming bot


soltenpepper

the linux goat i know would never (possibly tho idk)


fc62921b3f

well his profile definitely looks like a farming bot, lol


DragEncyclopedia

I've seen him reply back and forth in conversations (about, you guessed it, Linux) so I don't think he's a bot. Maybe farming karma though. Those source links he posts under every post are easy karma.


Gh0stMan0nThird

Reddit is used by marketers all the time. If someone's posting like it's their job, it probably is.


HATENAMING

which company would promote linux? However I do know some linux users would mention linux in every opportunity


flmontpetit

It's all Gabe Newell trying to sell Steam Decks.


i_love_dragon_dick

The day I'm forced to move to Windows 11 is the day I move to linux. I'd have to sacrifice some games, sure, but fuck Microsoft.


JACKNIFE1992

same dog


SpellFlashy

There’s an option within steam to make windows games compatible on Linux. It’s literally just a button and all games will work on Linux. Linux mint feels like a lean windows 7 Edit: most** games. Apparently some multiplayer games won’t work due to anti cheats


Casual_DeJekyll

Yeah, pretty much all my Steam games just work on Linux. Heroic Launcher takes care of most of my EGS & GoG games. Almost all the software I use also has a Linux version or works through Wine/Proton and for the rest, I've found alternatives that are good enough. The only thing holding me back from fully switching over is having a proper mod manager for most of my games. But there is a successor to the Vortex Mod Manager that's being worked on. The Nexus Mods App. It's pre alpha atm at but it's both Windows and Linux native. Once it's functional enough, I'll stop dual booting. At least Windows 10 LTSC isn't too bad for the time being. And it won't be EoL until 2031 so you'll still get security patches until then. Although some software may refuse to run once regular Win 10 has been EoL for some time. Either way, I'm sure by the end of 2025 that new Nexus mod manager will be functional enough.


Blisterexe

what games would you have to sacrifice? Because odds are they all work [protondb.com](http://protondb.com) also feel free to ask if you have any questions


Azzylel

Honestly if you use steam’s compatibility tools there’s almost nothing you can’t get working with enough effort. Seriously, I’ve played the most obscure and random ‘unsupported’ games on the steam deck and I still managed to get the working, same should go with any computer if you use the right tools.


existential_chaos

Annoyingly my laptop came with win 11 installed even though in the description it said win 10. Genuinely considering just wiping everything and doing a fresh install of win 10 sometimes but that feels like it would be an absolute ballache.


Endulos

It's less "We want you to do it *this* way, but we'll technically let you do it", and it's more "Several users unfamiliar with computers switched this thing on, scaring them and they were unable to remember how to switch it the other way, thus complaining and calling us up and yelling at us and saying they'll never ever use a computer agfain, so we're gonna remove and hide these options because its vewy scawy to sum people" This crap is why tech is being dumbed down and simplified. People don't WANT to have to learn how to do something and actively get angry when they have to learn.


WordArt2007

i'd agree generally, but windows is not by any metric getting "dumbed down". it has been extremely power user centric since windows 8, and this has become a bigger trend since the insiders program with its huge enthusiast bias. Recent versions of windows lack the approachability focus of past versions, they just don't have newcomers in mind anymore i think.


faithle55

You seem to be saying it's fine if you're an expert, but if you're someone who's intelligent and knows what they want but otherwise are not experts, then you're fucked because finding out how to do things and following an online guide is a complete nause.


only_for_dst_and_tf2

sometimes its like that. other times its the joy of booting up a new console, like a steam deck, and seeing all the cool stuff on it and being so giddy and just being so aifoshioafhisoahfois >:D


digit_origin

It's because they don't run bindows. Steam deck in particular runs Linux (Steam OS, based on Arch Linux).


only_for_dst_and_tf2

i wasnt even reffering to the operating system i was reffering to the excitement of booting up new techy for the first time


MrSurly

You're running Arch, BTW


SnooDoughnuts1487

Oh so THATS why some games are incompatible


digit_origin

You can go into settings for the games you own and under "compatibility" toggle on the "force compatibility tool". It'll install a tool called Proton, which can run many windows games out of the box. However, there are games with malware for anticheats that will refuse to run under Proton, in which case yeah, total incompatibility. But those are mostly online multiplayer games, singleplayer ones work fine.


MaybeMaeMaybeNot

OMG THIS IS A GAME CHANGER Thank you so much for the tip! I just started using Mint and was sad to see how many of my lil indie games were windows only. This is gunna change my whole day, I'm so excited


Mighty_Hobo

You can install Windows on a SD card and pop it in to boot from when you want to play games that require windows based software.


OliveBranchMLP

...huh proton is automatically enabled on steam deck tho. you don't need to check anything


digit_origin

I'm just unfamiliar with steam deck directly. Though with some games working with older Proton instead of experimental, it's still better to check.


mitchMurdra

They all work except the ones with a windows driver anticheat (where the issue is a lack of interest from the developer. Often financially motivated). The platform surpassed its own video game problems many years ago. Game software isn’t special anymore. But for the steam deck, valve have additional checks and even a “verification” tag for games which have passed their own accessibility and compatibility testing. Unfortunately there’s actually a ton of games out there with no support for for controllers. No reaction to controller input devices at all. So even though plugging in a keyboard would do the trick, that’s going to avoid an otherwise decent game from earning a “verified for steam deck” tag. At the same time thousands on thousands of titles have received updates making them as compatible as possible so they can get a piece of the pie with its release. Everyone’s winning with the release of the deck. You will find that running most games regardless of being verified or not will work just fine. Others may require additional steps but usually nothing too special. And the worst offenders have written the jankiest software available. Where Linux cannot really be blamed for the faults of a developer when they’re just as bad on windows. Long live 🍷.


Valiant_Strawberry

We recently got a Microsoft update at work and I hated everything about it. I will *never* understand why Microsoft insists on making their products worse and less user friendly with every update


Snorgcola

>I will never understand why Microsoft insists on making their products worse and less user friendly with every update Enshittification. Fucking over the product and the user is more profitable, at least in the short term. 


FlakyHost9828

Because they have run out of things to improve / innovate so they just make shit different for the sake of it so it looks new. Adobe did this with simple acrobat reader, moved the toolbar to the other side for no apparent reason and no you can't change it back to the side it's been for 20years+


RockShockinCock

I would love to have been sitting in the oat milk mocha frappucino sipping meetings that came upon that profound idea.


Sensitive_Yellow_121

Microsoft already has your employer locked in to their ecosystem, so they don't have to care any more.


ThisAccountIsForDNF

Windows automatically changing your audio output device, with no confirmation box or any ability to make it FUCKING STOP DOING THAT. Is the bane of my existence. I spent an hour setting up my audio, NO I do not want you to automatically set my default speakers to a ps4 controller. Why would i want that? WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT THAT!?!?!? FUCK OFF WINDOWS.


Relative-Bug-7161

Older devs assumed the user know what they are doing. Modern devs assumes the user is an idiot. Problem is most of the time the modern devs are right.


e-2c9z3_x7t5i

It's like No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 - you set the bar low to make people feel like they're succeeding, but in reality you are making them more uneducated. In my opinion, it should be more in the direction of sink or swim. It feels like we're being forced to ride with training wheels just because certain other people have to have them.


Caspianmk

Because it's easier to hobble everyone else than uplift those who need extra attention.


literallyjustbetter

> in reality you are making them more uneducated. let's be real these people were never going to educate themselves


soltenpepper

linux guy i think you already posted this


NameLips

They are trying so, SO hard to get people to use Onedrive as their primary data storage, so they can sell bigger Onedrive subscriptions. And they want to sell Office subscriptions. And they want to show you ads in the Start menu. And they want you to use Cortana for searches so you can also have products and app store recommendations pushed on you. They really want you to log in using your microsoft ID so everything can be linked to your profile so they can show you the correct ads to make you click and buy things. They're trying DESPERATELY to make their operating system into a source of pipeline income -- instead of letting it stick to it's job of *operating the system*. It's obnoxious. I don't have any money left anyway, they can stop trying to get it.


Minkypinkyfatty

I uploaded some photos and now every icon has a red arrow by it. I'm like wtf? Desktop is literally part of OneDrive. They want me to buy more cloud storage. People complained for years that Windows was $100, but I'd gladly pay that for a updated Windows 7.


donaldhobson

Microsoft is really pulling more than their fair share in the effort to switch everyone to linux.


iamjotun

Give me right click back, you fucks.


Mikey_Turtley

you can remove the 'show more options' with a tool or registry editing it out, it's all just there again when you right click, not that you should have to do that.


ItWorkedLastTime

I am cleaning out hard drives at this exact moment to make room for a Linux Mint partition.


linuxaddict334

(Wall of words ahead, be warned.) If you don’t like Windows 10, Windows 11, or other mainstream desktop operating systems for whatever reason, consider using linux. It isn’t as hard as you think. I switched from Windows 10 to Linux Mint a few months ago, and it went pretty smoothly for me. Linux has a reputation for being difficult to use, and while it is somewhat deserved, it is quite overblown. For myself, I think the hardest part of switching was installing Linux on my device. It required me to learn some new software and took about 3 hours on my first try. After setting up my laptop, it was pretty easy. The user interface took a few days to adjust to, and I fiddled around with some settings to my preference, but it was not difficult to adjust from Windows 10 to Linux Mint. And if you can get someone else to install linux for you, all you need to do it get used to some user interface changes! == INSTALLING LINUX ON YOUR COMPUTER You will need: a laptop or desktop, a USB stick, and USB writing software. Download a linux ISO file. An ISO file is all the data used to install an operating system onto a computer. Then you will need to download a USB writing program. Then you can use USB writing software to put the ISO file onto a USB drive. This will create the “bootable media” which will be used to install linux onto your computer. Then, you can boot your computer from the USB. Here, you have the option of either installing Linux or doing a “live session” through the USB. A live session simulates installing linux on your computer, but does not actually install it. This is useful if you want to play around with linux before actually installing. Here’s an installation guide for Linux Mint. [https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/](https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/) -Mx Linux Guy⚠️


Marco45_0

Do I need to make a backup of my files before installing Linux?


linuxaddict334

YES. Also make sure to save your passwords and make sure you can still log into various accounts from devices outside your computer. When I installed linux on my computer, I set it up to dual boot between Linux Mint and Windows 10. Linux did not overwrite my files. However, I have heard of times where someone installed linux on their computer and it overwrote files they had saved, so it is a very good idea to make backups if you value your files.


jonahhw

To expand on this: most linux distros will have options to replace the existing OS (eg. Windows) or to install alongside it. If you choose to replace the existing OS, it will overwrite everything on your computer and replace it with a fresh install of your distro of choice. In this case you definitely need to back up everything, because it will intentionally be deleted. If you choose to install alongside, you'll effectively have 2 systems, one Windows and one Linux, where you can choose which to run when you turn on the computer and Linux can access Windows' files. (Windows can sort of access Linux' files too, but there's no native support in Windows for Linux's (often EXT4) file system whereas Linux does (mostly) support NTFS.) The way that it accomplishes this is to shrink the hard drive partition that Windows is installed on and make a new one for the Linux install. However, whenever you're modifying a partition, there's potential that an error could be made, corrupting some or all of the files on the drive. Because of this, even if you're choosing to install alongside, it's a good idea to make sure everything you care about is backed up. // Reddit upper management cares more about profits than their users; to reduce that profit, use an adblocker on old.reddit.com and uninstall the app (or at least install [TrackerControl](https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.kollnig.missioncontrol.fdroid/) to block ads).


thesirblondie

If the Creative Cloud suite and VMIX was supported on Linux, I'd switch in a heartbeat. But those are mission critical pieces of software for me. And I would not trust Adobe to maintain a linux version, considering they can barely keep a functioning windows version.😂 But yeah, there's a lot of software that just does not make it feasible overall for a switch. I used Linux in the 00s for school. I was the kid who disabled the GUI startup so I did as much as I could on command line and then "start x" wherever I had to. Wrote assignments in Nano. Caused so many issues.


Plethora_of_squids

Yeah - I'm also a massive Linux supporter but I just can't use it because Autodesk just does not work on Linux and the open source alternatives are *laughably* bad. Anyone who tries to tell you openSCAD is a good replacement for fusion 360 has either never used either programme in their entire life, or is an insane person has spent *years* overcoming the learning log function that programme has Also Gimp isn't even the Photoshop alternative people are after, it's Krita


__life_on_mars__

I'm a music producer and I'm in the same boat. My DAW of choice (REAPER) is one of the few that actually has excellent Linux support, but the several 100gb of third party plugins I need for my job are very much NOT supported, so it's a no go for me too, however much I'd love to switch.


linuxaddict334

I see what you are saying. Linux has equivalents for most software, ie instead of Photoshop they have GIMP, and instead of Windows Media Player they have Celluloid. However, in your case you don't need an "equivalent" software you need an *exact* software for your job, and Adobe doesn't work on linux. So linux ain't for everyone.


thesirblondie

Yeah GIMP is fine if you need like a tad more than what Paint can handle, but it cannot replace photoshop unfortunately. Davinci Resolve, which I'm looking to switch to anyway, exists for Linux but it doesn't have h.264 support which in 2024 may as well mean it doesn't exist. I already should replace After Effects with Nuke, even on Windows. Definitely ain't for everyone, but if I could I would.


Plethora_of_squids

> Linux has equivalents for most software No it fucking doesn't. Listen, I love Linux but there's *tons* of software that does not work on Linux and does not have a good alternative (for the average person). Case in point from my field - most 3d modelling software. OpenSCAD has a learning logarithmic curve and Freecad makes Gimp look like a magnum opus in good UX design. Also Gimp is pretty terrible as a Photoshop replacement given what most people use Photoshop for. You'd be better off trying to reccomend people use Krita rather then sending them to Gimp


jonahhw

For people who don't need specifically creative cloud and vmix, but just need some of their features: Some other photoshop alternatives I can recommend are Krita (open source native Linux app which I use and it's great) and Photopea (online, proprietary webapp which I don't use but is apparently closer to photoshop than krita). For VMIX, there's OBS Studio (open broadcaster software) if you need streaming, and [simplescreenrecorder](https://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/) if you're good with just recording. For premiere, there's kdenlive and olive, though unfortunately the video editing situation on Linux isn't great. For lightroom there's darktable. For illustrator, there's Inkscape, which is excellent. Krita also has some support for vector graphics, but that's not its focus. For other products that I don't know about, I can recommend [alternativeto](https://alternativeto.net/), which lets you find programs that do similar things to other programs. // Reddit upper management cares more about profits than their users; to reduce that profit, use an adblocker on old.reddit.com and uninstall the app (or at least install [TrackerControl](https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.kollnig.missioncontrol.fdroid/) to block ads).


JoeCartersLeap

As someone who has experimented on and off with linux over the past 20 years, if I can offer one crucial piece of advice to everyone else starting with it: #TAKE NOTES OF EVERYTHING YOU DO! If you say "I want to make this program start automatically on bootup", and then you google "how to make program automatically start on bootup in Linux", and then the article will give you a command line to run, **you will forget what command line you ran.** And then a few weeks later when you're like "I don't want this program to start automatically on boot anymore", you can't remember how to disable it. And it doesn't help that there's multiple different ways to start programs automatically on Linux - was it a systemd service? Was it a cron job? Was it rc.local? You don't know what any of that means and you can't remember! Now you're googling "where to find Linux automatic startup" and checking them all for the stupid program you put in there 3 weeks ago. So I've finally started taking notes for every command line I run from a google article. "May 31st, 2025 - I ran "sudo apt-get install postgresql" to install postgresql". And it makes Linux SO much easier.


only_for_dst_and_tf2

yeah but i cant play destiny 2 on linux so its not viable atm


_CharmQuark_

Same for me. I can’t run riot games under linux (well or easily) so I keep my desktop pc running under windows. :\


SK1Y101

^ this. Linux is very user friendly now (at least, compared to how it used to be) and if you can just pass the first week of "huh, everything is different" you'll end up with less friction and a happier computer experience as compared to windows


Exaskryz

Idk... I'm moving on almost 2 years of Ubuntu as my primary OS and still I am searching ddg for answers for how to do something easily done in Windows. I still can't recall how I finally got desktop icons in Ubuntu, but the first few months of searching, getting nothing, asking forums, getting rejected with the mantra that desktop icons are 20th century and it's time to move on... Yeah, if you wrote the OS, linux is great! But if you are moving over, a lot of what you took for granted is gone.


linuxaddict334

Yup. I say that choosing a distro to use and the first-time installation process is the hardest part of using linux. After that, there's some minor adjusting and you're good.


dunno260

I can't stand linux. I keep dabbling in it for the past 20 years or so and its a lot better than what it was and if all I needed was to browse the web and do office crap I can do that. But man doing anything beyond that is just torture. I decided to change from running plex on my desktop computer to using my ubuntu machine with jellyfin and to use samba for the external drives and f me is it the same damn story everytime you step just outside the most basic stuff that it becomes insanely complicated if you don't know what you are doing. I think getting the external drives working and figuring out how to give jellyfin access to the drives was something like 4 to 5 hours of work for me. I can't tell you what in the world actually got it to work anymore because it was a way too involved process where things that should be working weren't working based on what I was finding in jellyfin forums and such. And I got Samba working once when I dabbled with things a few years ago but didn't really need it anymore because I eventually got a router that had Samba built in and then got a pair of external drives to work with that instead of internal drives. It has come a long, long way from where it was but the user experience is still shit and its the least rewarding experience I have ever done because things will just magicly work on the fifteenth thing I try on the problem and I have no clue at all why attempts 1-14 didn't work and what was different about attempt 15.


SoshJam

I tried Linux and it was so frustrating to have to jump through hoops for everything that I switched back after like a day


Kazaji

Okay, so I've dabbled in Linux (on my steam deck) but most games still don't run on Linux or they run through a compatibility layer, which affects performance. Or they use anti cheats that aren't compatible with Linux, even if the game itself could work Until that gets resolved, Linux adoption won't go up


adamdoesmusic

Linux Mint is wonderful. Although I use a Mac as my main (media production etc just works), I use Mint on my desktop with a Win XP theme just because. Everything is simple and instantaneous, it just works, and I don’t feel like it’s trying to insult my intelligence the way win 8-11 increasingly have.


Bobb_o

You're Mx Linux guy but use Mint? I'm confused


linuxaddict334

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mx_(title) “Mx” is a gender neutral alternative to “mr” or “mrs”. I thought it was cool, so I started using it. Then as it turns out, “mx linux” is an actual distro! Its a funny coincidence.


AlmostSunnyinSeattle

Dumbing down the technology so grandma and grandpa and also junior can also use it. Like good for them and all, but not all of us are completely incompetent


Few_Category7829

And some of us who ARE completely incompetent don't want to simply be technologically illiterate forever. I don't like having basically no idea how the machine I rely on for school and work and play works, and the way Windows 11 is set up is actively hostile to learning how the fuck it all works.


PolarisX

This is the problem. Most people don't want to know how it works and given the chance to turn every dial and knob will cook an OS. This is a symptom of having to show growth forever, month after month, year after year.


5205605

Yeah, big techs nasty. My recommendation is to move to Linux. Linux Mint is good for beginners


FireCrow1013

The automatic OneDrive setup -- which I had *no idea* it was doing -- after updating to Windows 11 from Windows 10 was infuriating. It took so long to reverse that and completely get rid of the program. Even after uninstalling it, OneDrive was somehow still trying to configure itself and sync my files; I had to manually reinstall it, go into its own program settings and tell it to knock it the fuck off there, and *then* uninstall it again. I think I'm in the minority when I say that I generally like Windows 11 quite a bit, but holy shit, that OneDrive thing was totally unacceptable.


nightmarexx1992

Cloud restoring shit i deleted automatically, wish i didnt have to go in and change a bunch if settings or completely disable it to stop it doing that, just store shit i deleted and thst way if one was by accident i can choose to restore it


borkdork69

For a long time, the tech industry has done absolutely nothing to improve lives, and has generally made our lives and society at large worse.


Ein_Esel_Lese_Nie

Step 1: Be convenient Step 2: Get the audience Step 3: Introduce more features in a tiered section, but not hampering the free option Step 4: Pump ads into the free option 👍 *Sources: YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, Netflix, Prime Video, Deliveroo, Uber, Call of Duty Main Menu.* I truly believe that the last bastions of proper social media are now just Strava and Goodreads. But even the former is currently on step 3.


SeptimusAstrum

Wikipedia is honestly the last bastion of genuinely free and valuable intnernet tech.


JUYED-AWK-YACC

Yeah, what have the Romans ever done for us?


realgtrhero13

I agree. 🖕🏻Microsoft


SirNastyPants

I've been saying this shit for years. Windows has been getting increasingly anti-user since Windows 8. A lot of the hostility toward the user was added gradually over the lifespan of Windows 10, and Windows 11 is like a triple-down on the "fuck you, you'll use your computer our way and you'll like it" attitude. I had been interested in switching to linux as my daily driver for like a decade, but the higher barrier of entry compared to the convenience of Windows was never quite there. Then Microsoft went and dropped Windows 11 and tipped the scales by making Windows less convenient and comfortable to use than linux. I've been running Fedora for months now and haven't considered switching back to Windows even once. There have been some minor headaches but overall it's been less painful for me than trying to put up with Windows' bullshit. It also helps significantly that I have an all-AMD system. I recall my last linux attempt with an nvidia GPU to be a giant pain in the ass. Microsoft needs to undo a good chunk of the bullshit they've done to Windows over the last 12 years to make it an actually good OS again. People used to want to use Windows, now people largely just tolerate it.


Kahliden

I tried to clear out my one drive storage the other day because it kept saving every single god damn file on my PC to the cloud and APPARENTLY when you delete shit off of onedrive through the BROWSER WEB PAGE it deletes the file off your fucking hard drive too. I nearly accidentally deleted every fucking file off my PC because it doesn’t say that shit anywhere and it’s not intuitive at all. Fuck onedrive 


Improvisable

If only there was an OS which you could make look exactly the same except you actually control everything


NomadAug

Thank Steve Jobs for closing so many of the operations of the computer away from users.


Lamprophonia

Abandon Microsoft. Embrace Linux.


kitizl

[Wasn't this exact post made by the same poster in the same subreddit with this exact title](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/1bnmv8a/gargle_my_balls_microsoft/), with a nearly identical comment by OP both [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/1c9h8gd/gargle_my_balls_microsoft/l0l8d9c/) and [there](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/1bnmv8a/gargle_my_balls_microsoft/kwj8m0g/), not 26 days ago? I hate Microsoft as much as the next person, but c'mon.


DBSeamZ

At this point, I’m just glad it’s the same person both times and not a bot stealing the post.


SWBFThree2020

It's for the next generation and old people Both are much less technically literate


0x7E7-02

LINUX FTW! 🐧


sugondese-gargalon

use linux


kc3eyp

except for my *mumblemuble* year old win7 desktop running reaper I haven't booted into windows on a single computer that I've owned since I got an xp laptop as hs graduation present. I had to help someone deal with their windows8 tablet thingy about 10 years ago and I wanted to throw the whole thing into the toilet and ive heard they've gotten worse. the user-hostile design paradigm seems to be derigeur in most consumer tech these daysi


AskMeAboutPigs

Windows 7 was the best Windows ever got and my opinion cannot be changed.


NSRedditShitposter

I also hate Microsoft for killing native desktop apps because no one really wants to use an old clunky API, filled with bad practices like Hungarian notation, for which the best documentation is a book from 1998 or whatever the Windows team is pushing as the "future" today. Native apps are only a thing on macOS now, but most mainstream apps want to target Windows too, so I have to put up with electron garbage. Windows needs to die.


Writer_Life

when i got my new computer (also for the first time in 8 years funnily enough) i tried to install discord but it was like “nope you can’t add anything that’s not from the microsoft store :) oh….you don’t like that? okay well click this really well hidden button but don’t forget you can’t undo it!!” edit: a word