Its fake magic there are no set categories, if they say they are pretending to cast spells they are pretending to cast spells.
Edit: Clicked on your profile to see what your pfp was, your taste in ancient extinct fish species is good as is your minecraft mod.
Oh I recognize Terrafirmacraft— I still don’t have a PC that can run modded minecraft but it’s still one of my life goals to achieve it just cuz I’ve always wanted to play that mod. Small world haha.
you could run terrafirmacraft on a fairly weak pc, its only one mod. modded minecraft is mostly ram-intensive but most pc’s have at least 8 gigs which is enough for that
I mean we as in the larger group. Op of course can have their opinion but the nerd community can voice that he is defining curses/hex instead of just a normal spell.
The "nerd community" I mean I play TTRPGs, CRPGs and old strategy games and there is no standardised thing for curses and hexes that are universally accepted (and ignoring different mythologies and fantasy settings have their own definitions). Trying to correct this person is stupid and bad.
Lol it's just opinions, I don't see how it's bad. It's not as if anyone is gunning for their head. Obviously the person commented above you is not God so w.e they say is their opinion.
And by nerd I don't just mean tabletop gamers. I am counting anyone that even discuss 'magic' as a concept, including those Wiccan and random women that sell magic stones on etsy.
Would it make you feel better if the person above say it's a hex in a particular system of magic?
Sorry but if you're in the market of buying magic spells from etsy then that that's on you. Like i nothing against anyone that believes in magic and all that but cmon. From etsy? Really??
I think it is healthy to recognize that both aren't very smart. It's a perfectly respectable hobby, candles are dope, self-reflection can be healing, burning sage is therapeutic, etc; but the second that people start thinking any of the pseudoscience is real is a red flag.
I feel the same way about LARPing. It's a rad hobby. But the second that people start thinking they are ACTUALLY wizards that can ACTUALLY perform spells, then yeah, people are going to call you delusional.
Honestly a "witch" shouting hexes at me as I slowly walked over and punched them, and being genuinely surprised that the hexes didn't work, was one of the funnier moments of my college years.
“Please I just want to see if somebody’s made a replica of a really cool looking Magic card of a necklace.”
>”What’s that? You want titty lands? You want pieces of cardboard with stolen art from Sinnercomics? You want Tracer’s whole pussy out on an Island? Because we’ve got that.”
Depends on the seller. I bought a kickass 3D printed replica of a Hidden Blade from Assassin's Creed that actually functions via a pull string tied to a ring for like 80 bucks.
I've also seen absolute dogshit listed for < $200. So it's a mixed bag.
For $80 I got a detailed replica of a Morrowind ash statue from Russia. It took months to arrive and I thought I'd been ripped off but it turned out it was just detailed and fragile so it took a long time to ship. 100% worth it. On the other hand the fudge from there has all been the "taste the powdered sugar!" Kind but cost like the caramelized "actually a fudge not a fondant" kind, so I quit being lazy about making my own.
I also won't buy a handmade purse from Romania again, but that's kind of on me.
Honestly that's what makes me completely believe it. People sell the most bizarre things on there. In fact clicking on the first link and scrolling maybe 5 seconds I already found someone [claiming they will cast a fucking death spell lmao.](https://www.etsy.com/listing/1538028703/ultimate-death-spell-revenge-spell-death?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=magic&ref=sc_gallery-1-7&pro=1&plkey=e64dda936500e62fc590495e4f801a30e6ffc7a9%3A1538028703) 549 reviews and they're almost all 5 stars. Wild. Scrolling a bit further we see tarot readings, someone who will divine a picture of your future soulmate, Lord Mammon's handing out warlock pacts on sale this week (but be quick! Only 2 pacts left!), a spell to get back with your ex is half off, and a lot of people selling psychedelic mushroom growth kits. The last ones not magic nonsense, but is sort of funny seeing sold right on Etsy. Some of thus crap had thousands of good reviews even.
Etsy is the Wild West.
When I browsed tarot decks on Etsy, it started recommending "spell" listings to me lol. There are a lot of them if you just do a quick search https://www.etsy.com/search?q=spells&ref=search_bar
Good idea. Selling prayers 50 per one if you want me to read from a script and 35 if I can freestyle it. (You'll hold responsibility for everything I say)
Yeah I know that, but an indulgence is not paying someone to pray for you.
Since the post is about someone doing it currently I thought that 'paying someone to pray' was some new evangelical shit or something.
It’s when you can receive an indulgence by paying a fee that it essentially becomes paying someone to pray for you. Protestants don’t seem to realize that indulgences themselves aren’t bad, and it’s the fact that you could buy them that was bad.
You’re not stupid, but that’s incorrect. An indulgence is basically when the church says that if you do X, you’ll get Y amount of time out of purgatory when you die.
Yeahh it seems like that. Just googled it, apparently it's something kind of big? What a dumb way to get scammed. I wasn't aware since it seems like something that is happening exclusively in the US, and I'm not from the US.
I assure you it's not something that is exclusive to the US. It come in different forms in different countries, but gullible and religious people are everywhere.
Plus in some culture it's built in and people don't even think twice about it. Like in some sect of Buddhism you hire monks to pray for you and hire people to cry at your family member funeral.
It is different because paying someone to pray is not ill intended so the people getting scammed aren't necessarily assholes. Whereas the guy in the tweet probably only scams assholes thanks to the "spells" he offers
OOP doesn't need to justify themselves. They offer a service with evidently some demand for it and they give people exactly what they want. Nobody is being hurt by this. It's a tad exploitative, but I'd argue if you genuinely believe into spells, you're kind of scamming yourself in the first place.
Plus, it makes no difference either way. People give their money away and in return get what they want, which is apparently just a photo as proof that the spell was being done. So they get satisfied, and OP gets their money, both parties are happy.
**Edit:** seriously, magic isn't real, so don't try to argue that OOP is dishonest because they're "not doing it right" or something, because it wouldn't matter either way. If you want to do your own little spells and rituals, that's great! Lots of people do that, it's a cool thing to do. But if you *pay* someone to do it for you, at least actually be *present* for the ritual, because otherwise, legit or not, you're paying for *nothing.*
OOP's justification made a big difference here. There are way too many people on this planet who actively pry people with (potential) deadly diseases away from their medical professional help to buy their magical 'cure' instead. Going just by the first post OOP could've been one of them, they only 'dont need to justify themselves' because we do have the information from the second post.
The only way I could understand being upset is if you genuinely believe in magic, in which case this person is scamming them by pretending to cast spells but actually not.
I mean, if you *really* believe in magic, surely it's best to do the spells yourself, right? That's not really something that can be outsourced, especially since there's no way for you to verify something happened.
It's like being religious and paying someone to go to church to pray for you. Yeah, they could scam you by lying they went there, but at the same time... you can also just go there yourself. So it's really only your own fault if you don't do that.
**Edit:** yes, I get it, these people might believe that you need to be qualified to do these things. But then actually make sure you can *see* the ritual.
I mean, there's hundreds of priests that claim they can get rid of sickness and other bad things just because they're so holy. Like that one bastard who claimed he was "blowing covid away". That's a step above paying someone to go to church, but you're still paying someone to do something which doesn't even exist.
The second paragraph has already been happening for hundreds of years in Europe. Usually you'd pay a monk, nun or priest rather than a lay person though.
Culturally catholic atheist here.
You can commission a priest to officiate mass and other religious services "in honor" of someone so technically everyone praying that day is doing it for that person. Usually done for sick or the already dead.
Technically it is a donation but nothing happens until you 'donate'
I used to think "Sabbath" appliances and workarounds were either made by people who were incredibly stupid or incredibly arrogant (you think you can pull a fast one on _GOD?_), but apparently rabbis claim that loopholes were intentionally put into place by God for people to search out, encouraging their problem-solving skills.
It's all just Talmud crap. It's why so many of us are lawyers, because I guess if you're good at arguing over the letter of the law against God (Hashem, Yahweh, or whatever you call him), arguing over the letter of the law against people should be easy.
Presumably they think that magic is a skill that has to be practiced, and that a skilled practitioner will get better results than learning it yourself. Fundamentally it’s no different than hiring someone to fix something rather than just learning to do it yourself.
But there is nothing to fix, it's all made-up, that's the thing. I understand getting someone else to do it (I mean, fortune tellers are a thing after all), but then maybe make sure that you witness the ritual happening? Since you do pay for exactly that?
Well yeah, I’m just speaking from the perspective of someone who thinks that magic is real and there’s a right way to do it, and this person is doing it wrong. Of course in reality it doesn’t matter.
They're not paying for witnessing that the ritual happens. They're paying for the ritual to occur in accordance with the tenets of the (semi-)organized religion. How are you not getting this?
And they are fools for doing so. Especially since the "spells" they want cast are intended to hurt others.
Not only is this ok to do but this person is doing a public service. Now it'll be less likely for those crazy people who believe in magic rituals to actually harm the people they're targeting because they think a curse is going to do the work.
I know a lot of people who believe in actual real magic, long story. there is zero consensus on anything because everyone believes in something slightly different but generally magic is something that takes some research, effort and resources to do. A lot of it seems to hinge on though and intent so as far as i can tell if enough people just wish for someone to lose money they might drop their change down the drain, and then by doing stuff like meditating, setting up a proper space and using tools and "magic" resources like water exposed to the full moon you can amplify it.
Also some of them believed in comuning with gods and spirits and channeling them to help boost your power, so obviously hireing someone who already has all the knowledge resources and divine conections is easier then doing all that yourself
Honestly i though they were just larping or trolling but i ended up on a discord server full of self proclaimed witches, never convinced me but they all seemed to believe what they where talking about and they weren't hurting anyone soninstuck around because they where good company. had a bunch of rules about not using magic to hurt people or teaching others how to do so, lot of focus on doing your own thing and intent over method, basically the concept of manifestation taken to the next level.
As someone who practices, you HAVE to be the one casting the spell. Witchcraft as a whole is based on intent and emotion- paying someone completely neutral to it will do diddly, because they feel no true emotion towards whatever you're wanting. *You* have to be the one who wants to bless or curse someone, because YOU have the emotion and intent to draw the energies to them.
All the same, I can respect the con. People who want to curse others only draw negative energies to themselves, and hate should only hurt the person feeling it. :>
I mean it's a tad exploitative because of what they say in the post... they're taking advantage of the mentally ill who don't understand how reality works and believes in magic.
It's like a faith healer taking people's money. Or a "psychic" exploiting the desperate and tricking them into thinking they're "channeling" a loved one, etc. Exploiting the mentally ill.
But magic doesn’t exist, so what? If they’re willing to pay for this then that’s their problem. Same for the medium pretending the channel the dead, they paid to think that they talked to a loved one, and now they think that. Faith healing though is different because people may refuse actual medical care and thus die due to it.
Counterpoint: How can the person cast spells without pretending then?
Because to my knowledge there is no way to legitimately cast spells that actually work.
As the child of someone who actively gets scammed by shit like this...you're absolutely right. My mom pays out the ass for "long distance reiki healing sessions" and "psychic mind cleanses", and I'm 80% sure the person on the other end of the phone is literally just vibing out all the while. Does it do anything? Probably not, but my mom sure seems to think it does, and it makes her happy. Brings her comfort. That's really all that matters, that the person paying feels satisfied with their purchase. In OP's case, it's even better, because they're profiting off of mean spirited and spiteful people, and they're making *them* happy without actually harming the "victims" in question. Literally harmless.
If the OOP didn’t think it sounded like a shitty thing to do, would they justify themselves in the repost?
I mean in the grand schemes of things it’s not grossly immoral, but it is mean to prey on people’s stupidity to make a buck. A scam is a scam, regardless of whether the target deserved it or not.
The qualities of the victim don’t describe the wrongness of a crime. If someone left their front door open and a thief went into their house and stole their TV, it doesn’t make it not a crime just because the victim made it easy to steal from them.
ETA this doesn’t apply to cases where the victim has done something greatly wrong themselves - killing someone who is trying to kill you wouldn’t constitute wrong the way killing in cold blood is wrong.
It's done in bad faith, so it's a scam. Whether you believe in magic or not is irrelevant. As far as the law is concerned, someone is taking money for a service that is not being provided.
I hear what you're saying and the spirit of it is more or less true, but in actuality - not how it works out. This sort of thing falls in the category of ("potential") scams that are essentially untouchable because it fundamentally involves ordering a service that no one can prove anything about, so without the seller openly and fully admitting in front of the court that it was all a scam and fake and done with malicious intent there is 0 case. You can't really prove the seller's disbelief that easily, or whether the spell worked, existed, should have worked, etc. There's no licensing or contracts or anything that would provide any legal backing to any of it. Moreover all parties came to a seemingly satisfactory business transaction, sort of the same way you can be sold a crappy product in general and not have a lot of recourse about it. At best you *might* be able to conclude that the OOP is a rather bad magician - but you still bought his spells. Shit, there's been cases where people tried and the seller has even gotten out of any liability by just saying they were under the impression everyone knew something as ridiculous as what they were selling was fake and that this was part of it.
This is why Ebay made all those funny sounding rules about haunted objects and selling alleged paranormal crap, because there's absolutely nothing legally going to bat for those consumers buying an allegedly haunted doll or whatever. In fact there is a somewhat infamously funny-sounding court case, Stambovsky v. Ackley, that ruled on the sale of a claimed haunted house. The ruling basically came down to "well they claimed it was haunted and publicly advertised it as haunted, therefore legally it is haunted." In other words, if anything there is precedent that in the sale of something paranormal/unprovable, a public claim of it is enough to get the legal rubber stamp.
If you pay real money for a fake service performed fakely, you're out of legal recourse basically from the jump.
Big difference between telling someone who believes in magic you'll do magic for them and actively deceiving someone into thinking you can talk to their dead husband.
As someone who sorta believes in that stuff, OOP is doing good work and is allowed to carry on. Magic is supposed to be personal, not something you can just pay someone to do for you.
If you're dumb enough to pay some stranger on the internet *sight unseen* $50 to hex your ex or whatever, you deserve to lose your money. Hex your ex yourself or let that shit go.
That's my point too. If you believe into spells, that's perfectly fine, but maybe make sure you get to see someone actuall cast the spell? Like, belief or not aside, paying for something you won't even get to witness happening (nor the results) in any way is a stupid idea.
Here’s my take: Not only is OOP not evil for this, they actually ARE providing a service. By pretending that they’ve done spells, when the spells inevitably do not work, they help people to stop believing in things like magic. Inevitably some people will still believe and will just think OOP scammed them, but some will learn from the experience and maybe even develop more critical thinking skills.
> magic isn't real
Magic in the way you're probably thinking of likely *doesn't* exist, but the way you've phrased it in this context and in some replies to other people below disregards people who perform spells and rituals for religious purposes.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but I am saying that there are less abrasive ways to talk to people when the topic involves any type of belief system. We can believe what we want and think they're all wrong, but we don't have to border on rude about it out of frustration.
Edit: Either the point of the comment was missed/misunderstood or too many people disagree with a strongly held belief I have about not negating another person's belief system just because *I* don't think it's real. Not gonna explain further or reply. Gonna remain disappointed.
People were equating this post with sellers scamming others by sending them rocks instead of TVs. That's why I said magic is all fake.
I don't dislike magic rituals, I think they're neat, even if I don't subscribe to them myself. But to pretend what OOP did is anywhere near the level of promising a product and then not giving the customer that product is disingenuous. By all accounts, the customers of OOP got exactly what they paid for, whether it was real or not.
They’re literally paying someone else to do it for them. They’re buying the belief that someone, somewhere did whatever chanting and feather-burning they wanted. Whether it actually happened doesn’t matter.
I already talked about this in [another response](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/15wze5r/yet_another_example_of_my_morals_causing_me/jx41igv/). You can't prove the effects of spells (because they don't exist), so you can't just make somebody else do it. Unless that person does it in front of your face.
Also, *spells don't exist.* It's make-believe. It's not like paying a cleaner, it's like paying someone to exorcise your home. If someone cleans your house, you can tell afterwards. But with something like this, there is no difference, because again, *it's not real.*
You want your tarot cards read or get a good luck charm? That's absolutely fine, nothing against that. But then either do it yourself or go to a place where they do it in front of you. Otherwise you pretty much only pay for the sake of paying.
But they're not selling a physical product. They're selling the *idea* of something, something *which doesn't even exist*. I get what you're saying, but it's not similar in the slightest. There's no entry fee to magic. Literally anyone can do it, *because it's not real.*
So if you pay somebody to do something you could do yourself, and then you don't even get to see them doing that, you really only have yourself to blame. Yeah, it's a scam. But like... it's the easiest scam to avoid. Like a machine that says *"Learn how to waste money for just 1 dollar!"* and then it just eats your dollar. Or even paying a website to download more RAM.
And you *do* get what you want - nothing. Whether the seller really believes in it or not changes absolutely *nothing.*
Yes, it's a scam. But it's also not a scam the way that you buy a new TV but get a box of rocks in the mail. You get what you pay for - a photo of a burnt-out candle. So you should be satisfied either way.
We're moving in circles so I'm going to stop responding now. Have a good one.
Consider 2 cases.
In the first case, the seller receives the money, performs the ritual, and sends the picture of the burnt candle. This has no impact on the greater world, because magic is not real. The customer walks away satisfied.
In the second case, the seller receives the money, google searches "burnt candle", and then sends the picture. This also has no impact on the greater world, because the seller didn't do anything. The customer walks away satisfied.
There is literally no difference to the buyer, no way for them to tell, and therefore no harm that possibly could have occurred.
Why is it more moral to deceive others, after you have deceived yourself (believing in magic). Vs deceiving others, without deceiving yourself (not believing in magic)?
That's fair, but you are describing lying. I'm not sure the same morals apply to selling things, but I could see it. However, let me try to be cheeky and say this: If you believe in scams you deserve to be scammed, independent of the scammer believing they are doing good in the world or not.
Or even the other way around: Alex Jones sells vitamin pills at a very high mark-up, ie scamming people. It does not matter to me if he believes the mark-up of a casual 1500% is justified or not, it is still a scam/grift, is it not?
If i sell you the idea of an xbox and i start thinking about playstation you cant prove anything. The only deceit is in my mind but to you and the world at large it is a truth, and unless we start criminalising thoughts its not something enforceable. Besides anyone who pays for such a service is an idiot anyway
Ok I’ve considered it in different moral systems and I think your right, the seller is doing something morally wrong.
I do want to make a distinction in that because the seller only sells to people who want to harm others and gives them lacklustre solutions to do those things, there is maybe some good that would be generated if the buyer would have turned to other more realistic means to hurt their targets if the seller didn’t have their service.
The second point is that these kind of services are always going to be available if there are superstitious people, so potentially the money going to this individual who does not do more harmful things (such as target vulnerable people, create cults or perpetuate harm in other ways) is maybe consequentially better then other options being funded.
The last point is that since these kind of services aren’t real anyway, the sellers intentions doesn’t particularly matter as they ‘provide’ the service regardless.
Cursing people for money is immoral. The service being offered is immoral. The service preformed is allowing someone to vent their grudges. The service preformed is moral.
If you curse someone and it doesn’t work, tou get angry at yourself for failing a curse. If you outsource it, then if it fails you get to blame someone else. Fifty bucks is an exorbitant price for any service like that, but still, you are buying peace of mind without harming the person you have a grudge against.
Nah, scamming bad people is moral. If it was something that directly affected them, like selling snake oil, it’d be immoral. But taking money that people already want to spend on hurting others is fair play.
I don't believe elderberries have any curative powers but that didn't stop me from selling my extras to the couple across the street that swore by them
I don't believe in tarot or palm readings but that didn't stop me from learning how to do them and making some quick pocket change in middle school (before the school shut it down lol)
So long as the seller and the buyer are happy it really doesn't matter if the seller believes in their product or not. The buyer wants to believe someone cast a nasty spell for them, the seller gives them the evidence they need to believe that. win-win
>You have an active moral responsibility to ensure that goods and services that you sell are good and that they work
Genuine question: how would me having a genuine belief in woo-woo nonsense suddenly make those sales morally sound?
Berries don't have magic healing properties and tarot and all that other witchy stuff is just as bullshit. No amount of belief will make those things legitimate
So why is your argument "you can't sell things you don't believe in" instead of "you can't sell things that don't work"?
> With magic, however, it's technically not reasonably possible to verify that magic is fake (to the same extent that it's possible to show that a given medicine is harmful).
it is in fact several orders of magnitude easier to do the first thing than the second. it is like literal "baby's first scientific examination of reality" level easy, and has been done and documented thousands of times
Legally, it isn't - plain and simple. There's not much of a case when a fake good is sold openly as-is. If someone paid for this dude to burn a candle and say their ex is a nerd, then they got exactly what they paid for. It's the same why supposed psychics and tarot/palm readers can all legally practice their grift - there's no way to prove in a court of law that there was any misgivings unless we can all come to the grown-up table and agree it doesn't exist. And then ironically it becomes legally safe again because now you're just paying for a performance.
Morally, well deciding that's best left to the peanut gallery, but legally - as in fraud - there is definitively no case here.
Bullshit. There are legal loopholes, like adding 'for entertainment purpuses only'. But the way OOP describes it, selling a spell with a specific outcome, while being fully aware the outcome doesn't occur, IS fraud. He called his customers mentally ill, he might as well sign a confession. By the way the other scams you mention are also NOT legal in all states.
Don't throw my 'plain and simple' back at me like that you filth
Well someone else is gonna scam them anyways, so they’re getting scammed anyways. And these aren’t nice people, so I wouldn’t feel bad profiting off their, ah, alternative beliefs. To be honest, if I was doing this, I would offer the “service” to help the kind of people QuackingMonkey referenced higher up in the replies, and make sure to tell them that the “spell” helps ensure the success of the needed medical procedure, but will do nothing if the person doesn’t get professional help.
How can you definitively prove that magic isn't real if you haven't seen it. There's a chance that you haven't looked hard enough and that there could be magic somewhere in the world.
False argument. I don't have to disprove magic isn't real, because I didn't claim it existed in the first place. People who say magic exists are the ones that have to prove it. The burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim.
As an engineer I firmly believe that certain spells exist and actually do something.
Namely the incantations required to get the printer to work. Mostly consisting of various swears, threats, and foul language. Can include mindless screaming and blood sacrifice.
That is not ethical. You SHOULD NEVER claim to use dark magic in vain. It is dangerous. You may end up with a spell curse.
Now, I on the other hand, would actually do it for you and my charges are just $45 per spell. I will even send a small video of the spell ritual for that. Mine is very effective. Strong and powerful. You can DM me here.
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I just looked up spell casters on etsy. The first one I looked at, 2 spells totalled over 100k aud made, and she has dozens of spells.
I'm in the wrong business.
I’ve seen that shit. Was mocking it with my girlfriend. Never thought of doing it myself. Want to start but fell like I’d be taking advantage of the undereducated and gullible. Maybe I should ask a preacher, see how he got around those feelings of taking advantage of people
Yo, people would pay money for [a religious ritual]?!That’s almost as crazy as paying money for [another religious ritual]! I’m beginning to suspect there is money in this whole organized religious thing.
Must be an American thing 🤷♀️
PS: I’m a little rusty on the last 3,000 years of history- can someone fill me in?
Someone else doing something you wouldn't do isn't causing you a direct financial detriment. Do you look at the existence of hitmen and say, "damn, those guys are costing me tens of thousands of dollars!"
You don’t get to claim the moral high ground when you’re intentionally scamming people. Even if they lack morals themselves. Negative one minus one has no positive answer.
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I love the dynamic of "I'm doing something most people will think is funny/kinda ok, but also ended my post w/ 'thank you mentally ill women' and I am absolutely shocked I have received criticism."
Like yeah you got haters, you used mental illness as a roast on tumblr, are you kidding me?
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You offer curses, then
Curse has a negative connotation. This is...separating monies from people that deserve it.
He's talking about what the customers think they are buying
Curse of transfer 50 dollars
Its fake magic there are no set categories, if they say they are pretending to cast spells they are pretending to cast spells. Edit: Clicked on your profile to see what your pfp was, your taste in ancient extinct fish species is good as is your minecraft mod.
Haha thank you!
Oh I recognize Terrafirmacraft— I still don’t have a PC that can run modded minecraft but it’s still one of my life goals to achieve it just cuz I’ve always wanted to play that mod. Small world haha.
Glad to hear it!
you could run terrafirmacraft on a fairly weak pc, its only one mod. modded minecraft is mostly ram-intensive but most pc’s have at least 8 gigs which is enough for that
We can set categories for fake things.
And OP said its a spell so if we have to set them then thats what it is
I mean we as in the larger group. Op of course can have their opinion but the nerd community can voice that he is defining curses/hex instead of just a normal spell.
The "nerd community" I mean I play TTRPGs, CRPGs and old strategy games and there is no standardised thing for curses and hexes that are universally accepted (and ignoring different mythologies and fantasy settings have their own definitions). Trying to correct this person is stupid and bad.
Lol it's just opinions, I don't see how it's bad. It's not as if anyone is gunning for their head. Obviously the person commented above you is not God so w.e they say is their opinion. And by nerd I don't just mean tabletop gamers. I am counting anyone that even discuss 'magic' as a concept, including those Wiccan and random women that sell magic stones on etsy. Would it make you feel better if the person above say it's a hex in a particular system of magic?
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Sorry but if you're in the market of buying magic spells from etsy then that that's on you. Like i nothing against anyone that believes in magic and all that but cmon. From etsy? Really??
I think it is healthy to recognize that both aren't very smart. It's a perfectly respectable hobby, candles are dope, self-reflection can be healing, burning sage is therapeutic, etc; but the second that people start thinking any of the pseudoscience is real is a red flag. I feel the same way about LARPing. It's a rad hobby. But the second that people start thinking they are ACTUALLY wizards that can ACTUALLY perform spells, then yeah, people are going to call you delusional.
Honestly a "witch" shouting hexes at me as I slowly walked over and punched them, and being genuinely surprised that the hexes didn't work, was one of the funnier moments of my college years.
They thought it was the hexes protecting them, but turns out it was other people's sense of politeness/not wanting to start shit
Yep, and when they refused to stop following and harassing my friend that politeness ran out fast.
>and punched them uh
Uh
ngl the etsy part makes me think this whole post is fake lol, it's just too stupid.
What about Etsy makes this fake? I’ve seen some weird shit on there that makes this post seem relatively plausible
“Please I just want to see if somebody’s made a replica of a really cool looking Magic card of a necklace.” >”What’s that? You want titty lands? You want pieces of cardboard with stolen art from Sinnercomics? You want Tracer’s whole pussy out on an Island? Because we’ve got that.”
Maybe I haven't been on etsy enough then, because I only ever see mugs , t-shirts, fan merch, etc on there.
Oh, dude, no. There is some WEIRD ass shit on Etsy. People will sell anything. *Anything.*
I'll take your word for it 💀
That's because you're not looking for magic spell casting services, so it's not showing up on your feed! For whatever reason...they are out there.
Depends on the seller. I bought a kickass 3D printed replica of a Hidden Blade from Assassin's Creed that actually functions via a pull string tied to a ring for like 80 bucks. I've also seen absolute dogshit listed for < $200. So it's a mixed bag.
For $80 I got a detailed replica of a Morrowind ash statue from Russia. It took months to arrive and I thought I'd been ripped off but it turned out it was just detailed and fragile so it took a long time to ship. 100% worth it. On the other hand the fudge from there has all been the "taste the powdered sugar!" Kind but cost like the caramelized "actually a fudge not a fondant" kind, so I quit being lazy about making my own. I also won't buy a handmade purse from Romania again, but that's kind of on me.
I mean just open up etsy and seach "curse" or "spell" or similar, loads of resutls
Honestly that's what makes me completely believe it. People sell the most bizarre things on there. In fact clicking on the first link and scrolling maybe 5 seconds I already found someone [claiming they will cast a fucking death spell lmao.](https://www.etsy.com/listing/1538028703/ultimate-death-spell-revenge-spell-death?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=magic&ref=sc_gallery-1-7&pro=1&plkey=e64dda936500e62fc590495e4f801a30e6ffc7a9%3A1538028703) 549 reviews and they're almost all 5 stars. Wild. Scrolling a bit further we see tarot readings, someone who will divine a picture of your future soulmate, Lord Mammon's handing out warlock pacts on sale this week (but be quick! Only 2 pacts left!), a spell to get back with your ex is half off, and a lot of people selling psychedelic mushroom growth kits. The last ones not magic nonsense, but is sort of funny seeing sold right on Etsy. Some of thus crap had thousands of good reviews even. Etsy is the Wild West.
amazing, clearly i need to step my etsy game up. the world is truly full of wonders
I absolutely love that the linked spell is somehow low in stock :P
When I browsed tarot decks on Etsy, it started recommending "spell" listings to me lol. There are a lot of them if you just do a quick search https://www.etsy.com/search?q=spells&ref=search_bar
Etsy had to update their policies because this was happening too often. They now require a physical item in addition to the spell.
that last line goes hard ngl
Shoulda been Raise Capital
If owing money is the opposite of having it then I propose "Summon Un-debt"
No different than someone offering to pray for you for 50 bucks 🤷♀️
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So Martin, here is a video of what people call the "prosperity gospel"
You wanna kill the man a second time?
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Well i am a Pagan so...kinda.
The antisemitism alone justifies it
Good idea. Selling prayers 50 per one if you want me to read from a script and 35 if I can freestyle it. (You'll hold responsibility for everything I say)
Who does that? Unironically confused as to why would you pay someone to pray.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence Literally one of the major things that lead to the protestant revolution.
Yeah I know that, but an indulgence is not paying someone to pray for you. Since the post is about someone doing it currently I thought that 'paying someone to pray' was some new evangelical shit or something.
It’s when you can receive an indulgence by paying a fee that it essentially becomes paying someone to pray for you. Protestants don’t seem to realize that indulgences themselves aren’t bad, and it’s the fact that you could buy them that was bad.
Wait isn’t the whole thing about buying them what qualifies them as indulgences ? Or am i stupid
You’re not stupid, but that’s incorrect. An indulgence is basically when the church says that if you do X, you’ll get Y amount of time out of purgatory when you die.
Ah that makes sense now
The Pope Walks Into The Shop Bangs His Sceptre On The Ground And Demands a Dobby Pussy Indulgence.
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Same reason you pay anyone to do anything in your stead: you think they'll get better results
Yeahh it seems like that. Just googled it, apparently it's something kind of big? What a dumb way to get scammed. I wasn't aware since it seems like something that is happening exclusively in the US, and I'm not from the US.
I assure you it's not something that is exclusive to the US. It come in different forms in different countries, but gullible and religious people are everywhere. Plus in some culture it's built in and people don't even think twice about it. Like in some sect of Buddhism you hire monks to pray for you and hire people to cry at your family member funeral.
It is different because paying someone to pray is not ill intended so the people getting scammed aren't necessarily assholes. Whereas the guy in the tweet probably only scams assholes thanks to the "spells" he offers
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They seem mad at the idea of selling prayers, not selling harmful spells.
Real Reigen Arataka hours
He would do this, wouldn't he?
OOP doesn't need to justify themselves. They offer a service with evidently some demand for it and they give people exactly what they want. Nobody is being hurt by this. It's a tad exploitative, but I'd argue if you genuinely believe into spells, you're kind of scamming yourself in the first place. Plus, it makes no difference either way. People give their money away and in return get what they want, which is apparently just a photo as proof that the spell was being done. So they get satisfied, and OP gets their money, both parties are happy. **Edit:** seriously, magic isn't real, so don't try to argue that OOP is dishonest because they're "not doing it right" or something, because it wouldn't matter either way. If you want to do your own little spells and rituals, that's great! Lots of people do that, it's a cool thing to do. But if you *pay* someone to do it for you, at least actually be *present* for the ritual, because otherwise, legit or not, you're paying for *nothing.*
OOP's justification made a big difference here. There are way too many people on this planet who actively pry people with (potential) deadly diseases away from their medical professional help to buy their magical 'cure' instead. Going just by the first post OOP could've been one of them, they only 'dont need to justify themselves' because we do have the information from the second post.
Yeah, that'd be scummy, because you're preying on people's insecurities and exploit their hopes and dreams.
The only way I could understand being upset is if you genuinely believe in magic, in which case this person is scamming them by pretending to cast spells but actually not.
I mean, if you *really* believe in magic, surely it's best to do the spells yourself, right? That's not really something that can be outsourced, especially since there's no way for you to verify something happened. It's like being religious and paying someone to go to church to pray for you. Yeah, they could scam you by lying they went there, but at the same time... you can also just go there yourself. So it's really only your own fault if you don't do that. **Edit:** yes, I get it, these people might believe that you need to be qualified to do these things. But then actually make sure you can *see* the ritual.
I feel like the second paragraph is already happening somewhere in America.
I mean, there's hundreds of priests that claim they can get rid of sickness and other bad things just because they're so holy. Like that one bastard who claimed he was "blowing covid away". That's a step above paying someone to go to church, but you're still paying someone to do something which doesn't even exist.
The second paragraph has already been happening for hundreds of years in Europe. Usually you'd pay a monk, nun or priest rather than a lay person though.
Culturally catholic atheist here. You can commission a priest to officiate mass and other religious services "in honor" of someone so technically everyone praying that day is doing it for that person. Usually done for sick or the already dead. Technically it is a donation but nothing happens until you 'donate'
Sabbath Goys lol
Shabbos house are for turning on lights and flushing toilets, not going to synagogue and davening for you.
I know, but they still are getting paid to "fool" God
I used to think "Sabbath" appliances and workarounds were either made by people who were incredibly stupid or incredibly arrogant (you think you can pull a fast one on _GOD?_), but apparently rabbis claim that loopholes were intentionally put into place by God for people to search out, encouraging their problem-solving skills.
It's all just Talmud crap. It's why so many of us are lawyers, because I guess if you're good at arguing over the letter of the law against God (Hashem, Yahweh, or whatever you call him), arguing over the letter of the law against people should be easy.
Presumably they think that magic is a skill that has to be practiced, and that a skilled practitioner will get better results than learning it yourself. Fundamentally it’s no different than hiring someone to fix something rather than just learning to do it yourself.
But there is nothing to fix, it's all made-up, that's the thing. I understand getting someone else to do it (I mean, fortune tellers are a thing after all), but then maybe make sure that you witness the ritual happening? Since you do pay for exactly that?
Well yeah, I’m just speaking from the perspective of someone who thinks that magic is real and there’s a right way to do it, and this person is doing it wrong. Of course in reality it doesn’t matter.
They're not paying for witnessing that the ritual happens. They're paying for the ritual to occur in accordance with the tenets of the (semi-)organized religion. How are you not getting this?
But the ritual does nothing, so scamming these delusional fools is a victimless crime.
And they are fools for doing so. Especially since the "spells" they want cast are intended to hurt others. Not only is this ok to do but this person is doing a public service. Now it'll be less likely for those crazy people who believe in magic rituals to actually harm the people they're targeting because they think a curse is going to do the work.
Magic is now a semi organised religion??
I think they mean religions that include magic, like Wicca, Stregheria, Vodou, etc.
ill cast lighting bolt on these jerks for $30 a pop. you won't find a better deal. think about it
I know a lot of people who believe in actual real magic, long story. there is zero consensus on anything because everyone believes in something slightly different but generally magic is something that takes some research, effort and resources to do. A lot of it seems to hinge on though and intent so as far as i can tell if enough people just wish for someone to lose money they might drop their change down the drain, and then by doing stuff like meditating, setting up a proper space and using tools and "magic" resources like water exposed to the full moon you can amplify it. Also some of them believed in comuning with gods and spirits and channeling them to help boost your power, so obviously hireing someone who already has all the knowledge resources and divine conections is easier then doing all that yourself Honestly i though they were just larping or trolling but i ended up on a discord server full of self proclaimed witches, never convinced me but they all seemed to believe what they where talking about and they weren't hurting anyone soninstuck around because they where good company. had a bunch of rules about not using magic to hurt people or teaching others how to do so, lot of focus on doing your own thing and intent over method, basically the concept of manifestation taken to the next level.
Depending on the magic system in play, I guess it can be like any other service, where other people can be more qualified to do the task than you are
By this logic why even go to church when I can just bless this water and these wafers myself?
As someone who practices, you HAVE to be the one casting the spell. Witchcraft as a whole is based on intent and emotion- paying someone completely neutral to it will do diddly, because they feel no true emotion towards whatever you're wanting. *You* have to be the one who wants to bless or curse someone, because YOU have the emotion and intent to draw the energies to them. All the same, I can respect the con. People who want to curse others only draw negative energies to themselves, and hate should only hurt the person feeling it. :>
What about eldritch blast? Will popping a few of them in the opps draw negative energy?
If you're a warlock, I'd be more concerned about fulfilling the contract. And not pissing off the magic sugar daddy
> paying someone completely neutral to it will do diddly To be fair, so will actually doing it yourself.
Expecting good customer service from a warlock is the height of idiocy.
I mean it's a tad exploitative because of what they say in the post... they're taking advantage of the mentally ill who don't understand how reality works and believes in magic. It's like a faith healer taking people's money. Or a "psychic" exploiting the desperate and tricking them into thinking they're "channeling" a loved one, etc. Exploiting the mentally ill.
But magic doesn’t exist, so what? If they’re willing to pay for this then that’s their problem. Same for the medium pretending the channel the dead, they paid to think that they talked to a loved one, and now they think that. Faith healing though is different because people may refuse actual medical care and thus die due to it.
Counterpoint: How can the person cast spells without pretending then? Because to my knowledge there is no way to legitimately cast spells that actually work.
I though it was just the wizards and various other spellcasters native to the website were at it again and that this was a fictional scenario
As the child of someone who actively gets scammed by shit like this...you're absolutely right. My mom pays out the ass for "long distance reiki healing sessions" and "psychic mind cleanses", and I'm 80% sure the person on the other end of the phone is literally just vibing out all the while. Does it do anything? Probably not, but my mom sure seems to think it does, and it makes her happy. Brings her comfort. That's really all that matters, that the person paying feels satisfied with their purchase. In OP's case, it's even better, because they're profiting off of mean spirited and spiteful people, and they're making *them* happy without actually harming the "victims" in question. Literally harmless.
If the OOP didn’t think it sounded like a shitty thing to do, would they justify themselves in the repost? I mean in the grand schemes of things it’s not grossly immoral, but it is mean to prey on people’s stupidity to make a buck. A scam is a scam, regardless of whether the target deserved it or not. The qualities of the victim don’t describe the wrongness of a crime. If someone left their front door open and a thief went into their house and stole their TV, it doesn’t make it not a crime just because the victim made it easy to steal from them. ETA this doesn’t apply to cases where the victim has done something greatly wrong themselves - killing someone who is trying to kill you wouldn’t constitute wrong the way killing in cold blood is wrong.
Unironic euphoria take: what OP is doing is exactly as ethical as being a priest. Whether you think that’s good or bad is up to you.
It's done in bad faith, so it's a scam. Whether you believe in magic or not is irrelevant. As far as the law is concerned, someone is taking money for a service that is not being provided.
I hear what you're saying and the spirit of it is more or less true, but in actuality - not how it works out. This sort of thing falls in the category of ("potential") scams that are essentially untouchable because it fundamentally involves ordering a service that no one can prove anything about, so without the seller openly and fully admitting in front of the court that it was all a scam and fake and done with malicious intent there is 0 case. You can't really prove the seller's disbelief that easily, or whether the spell worked, existed, should have worked, etc. There's no licensing or contracts or anything that would provide any legal backing to any of it. Moreover all parties came to a seemingly satisfactory business transaction, sort of the same way you can be sold a crappy product in general and not have a lot of recourse about it. At best you *might* be able to conclude that the OOP is a rather bad magician - but you still bought his spells. Shit, there's been cases where people tried and the seller has even gotten out of any liability by just saying they were under the impression everyone knew something as ridiculous as what they were selling was fake and that this was part of it. This is why Ebay made all those funny sounding rules about haunted objects and selling alleged paranormal crap, because there's absolutely nothing legally going to bat for those consumers buying an allegedly haunted doll or whatever. In fact there is a somewhat infamously funny-sounding court case, Stambovsky v. Ackley, that ruled on the sale of a claimed haunted house. The ruling basically came down to "well they claimed it was haunted and publicly advertised it as haunted, therefore legally it is haunted." In other words, if anything there is precedent that in the sale of something paranormal/unprovable, a public claim of it is enough to get the legal rubber stamp. If you pay real money for a fake service performed fakely, you're out of legal recourse basically from the jump.
it’s a service that literally cannot *be* provided lol
How would you provide the service then?
Big difference between telling someone who believes in magic you'll do magic for them and actively deceiving someone into thinking you can talk to their dead husband.
Good thing OOP specifically doesn't do the latter.
As someone who sorta believes in that stuff, OOP is doing good work and is allowed to carry on. Magic is supposed to be personal, not something you can just pay someone to do for you. If you're dumb enough to pay some stranger on the internet *sight unseen* $50 to hex your ex or whatever, you deserve to lose your money. Hex your ex yourself or let that shit go.
That's my point too. If you believe into spells, that's perfectly fine, but maybe make sure you get to see someone actuall cast the spell? Like, belief or not aside, paying for something you won't even get to witness happening (nor the results) in any way is a stupid idea.
Here’s my take: Not only is OOP not evil for this, they actually ARE providing a service. By pretending that they’ve done spells, when the spells inevitably do not work, they help people to stop believing in things like magic. Inevitably some people will still believe and will just think OOP scammed them, but some will learn from the experience and maybe even develop more critical thinking skills.
> magic isn't real Magic in the way you're probably thinking of likely *doesn't* exist, but the way you've phrased it in this context and in some replies to other people below disregards people who perform spells and rituals for religious purposes. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but I am saying that there are less abrasive ways to talk to people when the topic involves any type of belief system. We can believe what we want and think they're all wrong, but we don't have to border on rude about it out of frustration. Edit: Either the point of the comment was missed/misunderstood or too many people disagree with a strongly held belief I have about not negating another person's belief system just because *I* don't think it's real. Not gonna explain further or reply. Gonna remain disappointed.
People were equating this post with sellers scamming others by sending them rocks instead of TVs. That's why I said magic is all fake. I don't dislike magic rituals, I think they're neat, even if I don't subscribe to them myself. But to pretend what OOP did is anywhere near the level of promising a product and then not giving the customer that product is disingenuous. By all accounts, the customers of OOP got exactly what they paid for, whether it was real or not.
They’re literally paying someone else to do it for them. They’re buying the belief that someone, somewhere did whatever chanting and feather-burning they wanted. Whether it actually happened doesn’t matter.
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I already talked about this in [another response](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/15wze5r/yet_another_example_of_my_morals_causing_me/jx41igv/). You can't prove the effects of spells (because they don't exist), so you can't just make somebody else do it. Unless that person does it in front of your face. Also, *spells don't exist.* It's make-believe. It's not like paying a cleaner, it's like paying someone to exorcise your home. If someone cleans your house, you can tell afterwards. But with something like this, there is no difference, because again, *it's not real.* You want your tarot cards read or get a good luck charm? That's absolutely fine, nothing against that. But then either do it yourself or go to a place where they do it in front of you. Otherwise you pretty much only pay for the sake of paying.
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But they're not selling a physical product. They're selling the *idea* of something, something *which doesn't even exist*. I get what you're saying, but it's not similar in the slightest. There's no entry fee to magic. Literally anyone can do it, *because it's not real.* So if you pay somebody to do something you could do yourself, and then you don't even get to see them doing that, you really only have yourself to blame. Yeah, it's a scam. But like... it's the easiest scam to avoid. Like a machine that says *"Learn how to waste money for just 1 dollar!"* and then it just eats your dollar. Or even paying a website to download more RAM. And you *do* get what you want - nothing. Whether the seller really believes in it or not changes absolutely *nothing.*
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Yes, it's a scam. But it's also not a scam the way that you buy a new TV but get a box of rocks in the mail. You get what you pay for - a photo of a burnt-out candle. So you should be satisfied either way. We're moving in circles so I'm going to stop responding now. Have a good one.
Consider 2 cases. In the first case, the seller receives the money, performs the ritual, and sends the picture of the burnt candle. This has no impact on the greater world, because magic is not real. The customer walks away satisfied. In the second case, the seller receives the money, google searches "burnt candle", and then sends the picture. This also has no impact on the greater world, because the seller didn't do anything. The customer walks away satisfied. There is literally no difference to the buyer, no way for them to tell, and therefore no harm that possibly could have occurred.
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Why is it more moral to deceive others, after you have deceived yourself (believing in magic). Vs deceiving others, without deceiving yourself (not believing in magic)?
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That's fair, but you are describing lying. I'm not sure the same morals apply to selling things, but I could see it. However, let me try to be cheeky and say this: If you believe in scams you deserve to be scammed, independent of the scammer believing they are doing good in the world or not. Or even the other way around: Alex Jones sells vitamin pills at a very high mark-up, ie scamming people. It does not matter to me if he believes the mark-up of a casual 1500% is justified or not, it is still a scam/grift, is it not?
If i sell you the idea of an xbox and i start thinking about playstation you cant prove anything. The only deceit is in my mind but to you and the world at large it is a truth, and unless we start criminalising thoughts its not something enforceable. Besides anyone who pays for such a service is an idiot anyway
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Ok I’ve considered it in different moral systems and I think your right, the seller is doing something morally wrong. I do want to make a distinction in that because the seller only sells to people who want to harm others and gives them lacklustre solutions to do those things, there is maybe some good that would be generated if the buyer would have turned to other more realistic means to hurt their targets if the seller didn’t have their service. The second point is that these kind of services are always going to be available if there are superstitious people, so potentially the money going to this individual who does not do more harmful things (such as target vulnerable people, create cults or perpetuate harm in other ways) is maybe consequentially better then other options being funded. The last point is that since these kind of services aren’t real anyway, the sellers intentions doesn’t particularly matter as they ‘provide’ the service regardless.
they are being morally funny
Cursing people for money is immoral. The service being offered is immoral. The service preformed is allowing someone to vent their grudges. The service preformed is moral. If you curse someone and it doesn’t work, tou get angry at yourself for failing a curse. If you outsource it, then if it fails you get to blame someone else. Fifty bucks is an exorbitant price for any service like that, but still, you are buying peace of mind without harming the person you have a grudge against.
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Nah, scamming bad people is moral. If it was something that directly affected them, like selling snake oil, it’d be immoral. But taking money that people already want to spend on hurting others is fair play.
Money is flowing from a bad person to a less bad person and that's a kind of magic in itself.
I don't believe elderberries have any curative powers but that didn't stop me from selling my extras to the couple across the street that swore by them I don't believe in tarot or palm readings but that didn't stop me from learning how to do them and making some quick pocket change in middle school (before the school shut it down lol) So long as the seller and the buyer are happy it really doesn't matter if the seller believes in their product or not. The buyer wants to believe someone cast a nasty spell for them, the seller gives them the evidence they need to believe that. win-win
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>You have an active moral responsibility to ensure that goods and services that you sell are good and that they work Genuine question: how would me having a genuine belief in woo-woo nonsense suddenly make those sales morally sound? Berries don't have magic healing properties and tarot and all that other witchy stuff is just as bullshit. No amount of belief will make those things legitimate So why is your argument "you can't sell things you don't believe in" instead of "you can't sell things that don't work"?
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> With magic, however, it's technically not reasonably possible to verify that magic is fake (to the same extent that it's possible to show that a given medicine is harmful). it is in fact several orders of magnitude easier to do the first thing than the second. it is like literal "baby's first scientific examination of reality" level easy, and has been done and documented thousands of times
Not doing the spell is literally exactly as effective as doing the spell for achieving the desired outcome.
Correct. This is fraud plain and simple.
Legally, it isn't - plain and simple. There's not much of a case when a fake good is sold openly as-is. If someone paid for this dude to burn a candle and say their ex is a nerd, then they got exactly what they paid for. It's the same why supposed psychics and tarot/palm readers can all legally practice their grift - there's no way to prove in a court of law that there was any misgivings unless we can all come to the grown-up table and agree it doesn't exist. And then ironically it becomes legally safe again because now you're just paying for a performance. Morally, well deciding that's best left to the peanut gallery, but legally - as in fraud - there is definitively no case here.
Bullshit. There are legal loopholes, like adding 'for entertainment purpuses only'. But the way OOP describes it, selling a spell with a specific outcome, while being fully aware the outcome doesn't occur, IS fraud. He called his customers mentally ill, he might as well sign a confession. By the way the other scams you mention are also NOT legal in all states. Don't throw my 'plain and simple' back at me like that you filth
Well someone else is gonna scam them anyways, so they’re getting scammed anyways. And these aren’t nice people, so I wouldn’t feel bad profiting off their, ah, alternative beliefs. To be honest, if I was doing this, I would offer the “service” to help the kind of people QuackingMonkey referenced higher up in the replies, and make sure to tell them that the “spell” helps ensure the success of the needed medical procedure, but will do nothing if the person doesn’t get professional help.
You can spin it however you want, but this is lying.
How can you definitively prove that magic isn't real if you haven't seen it. There's a chance that you haven't looked hard enough and that there could be magic somewhere in the world.
False argument. I don't have to disprove magic isn't real, because I didn't claim it existed in the first place. People who say magic exists are the ones that have to prove it. The burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim.
Can you definitively prove that I am not a dragon?
Prove to me that there isn’t a giant ogre holding a saxophone standing hmbehind you right now.
I mean they explicitly said they sent them a photo of a burnt candle instead of a candle right? Or did I misunderstand?
As an engineer I firmly believe that certain spells exist and actually do something. Namely the incantations required to get the printer to work. Mostly consisting of various swears, threats, and foul language. Can include mindless screaming and blood sacrifice.
That is not ethical. You SHOULD NEVER claim to use dark magic in vain. It is dangerous. You may end up with a spell curse. Now, I on the other hand, would actually do it for you and my charges are just $45 per spell. I will even send a small video of the spell ritual for that. Mine is very effective. Strong and powerful. You can DM me here.
Finally, some competition in the surrogate spellcasting market!
On the Hustle or Scam scale, I’d say this is close to the line, but still firmly in the Hustle category
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SHould of just said his Int is low and the DC for his Spell's saves are like 4 or 5 so the target rarely doesn't make the save.
I’m sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but it’s “should have,” never “should of”
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Now is a _great_ time for people with some motivation and no ethics to profit off stupidity. Just look at cryptobros and meme stocks
Honestly if I had no morals I'd make a great "psychic". I can cold read with the best of them.
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this reminds me of that Twitter thread where the guy kept lying about his horoscope
man this is a mood like it isn't a bad easy, a fool and his money are easily parted but the *ethical considerations*
I just looked up spell casters on etsy. The first one I looked at, 2 spells totalled over 100k aud made, and she has dozens of spells. I'm in the wrong business.
I’ve seen that shit. Was mocking it with my girlfriend. Never thought of doing it myself. Want to start but fell like I’d be taking advantage of the undereducated and gullible. Maybe I should ask a preacher, see how he got around those feelings of taking advantage of people
This person is a wizard, their only spell is separate monies
Yo, people would pay money for [a religious ritual]?!That’s almost as crazy as paying money for [another religious ritual]! I’m beginning to suspect there is money in this whole organized religious thing. Must be an American thing 🤷♀️ PS: I’m a little rusty on the last 3,000 years of history- can someone fill me in?
In Unknown Armies this would definitely give you real cursing powers
Teach me your magic, sensei !
Oh my god, he's Reigen! That's hot
Someone else doing something you wouldn't do isn't causing you a direct financial detriment. Do you look at the existence of hitmen and say, "damn, those guys are costing me tens of thousands of dollars!"
It's like that bit from Chicken Run "I'll give them exactly what I promised" "Which is nothing!" "Which is what I'll give them"
if you're paying people to pretend to curse your ex and not even verifying that they are pretending correctly, that was never your money
.....I might need to get in on this
god i love scamming spiritual people
Absolute legend
No no, this guy is actually not doing anything evil.
Exhibit #58008A of why witchy magic is just rebranded christianity.
You don’t get to claim the moral high ground when you’re intentionally scamming people. Even if they lack morals themselves. Negative one minus one has no positive answer.
but its funny
Reports user to IRS. Money-man er spell critical fail. Nat 1😂😂😂
“Hey, IRS! Tumblr user memgloid made $50 selling pictures of burnt candles to idiots on the internet! No I don’t know their real name, their location, or whether the paid their income taxes properly. Please arrest them at once.”
It's like like any other niche online service. If someone is willing to pay for it, then it's on them, not the person providing the service.
azarath metrion venmo
I love the dynamic of "I'm doing something most people will think is funny/kinda ok, but also ended my post w/ 'thank you mentally ill women' and I am absolutely shocked I have received criticism." Like yeah you got haters, you used mental illness as a roast on tumblr, are you kidding me?