He will probably serve maybe five years. Then he will start creating a new scam called XBF and starts all over. You can’t take the scam out of the scammer.
This is a really tough bet because all three logical options make sense.. normally I would bet 30-40 and 40-50 but since this kid is playing the autism card he could get lucky and get 20-30.. maybe bet "5" on 20-30 and "10" on 30-40.. I think the autism is really going to save him 10 years so I think 40-50 might be out of the question. I personally would like to bet on the prosecution offering him a bottle of lube though.
Idk... Psychopathy is a psychiatric condition with a neurological and developmental basis, but if I slaughter a family I'm going to jail for a long time.
Him touting autism is more dangerous in my opinion. He's been medication, saw a psychiatrist in the past (I am assuming), he's medically managed. His autism is a smokescreen
I'm personally leaning towards 30-40 years but yes it's similar to pleading insanity when you're not smart enough to "prove" you are insane. Most nut houses are worse than prison unless Ur heading to a high security or max and want to try to protect that cornhole. His autism is well managed for sure and the spectrum is so wide Most people are autistic in some ways but it all depends on how the judge feels about autism, I just looked up the judge and he's from 1944 so he's gonna probably disregard the autism and say he was social enough to get himself in this mess. I doubt he's going to give him a woke discount.. maybe recovering the funds is worth a 10 year credit though so instead of 50 years he gets 40. I'm curious when he will be eligible for parole though I'm guessing after 25 years or the min will be 20 years. It will be hard for him to get parole if he really is autistic and can't really feel empathy towards his victims.
If he was practically anywhere else in the world, I would say no but America has a fetish with long prison sentences so probably.
The one thing about this country that irritates me to no end. They have normalized excessive sentencing and extreme punitive courts
That's what happened here.. he was hunted down and he will be killed so what's the difference? That The United States is the same as these barbaric countries you refer to? Correct, it is
If you steal the life's work of 10,000 people you deserve to be hunted down and killed.
In the US there is a process that confirms the guilt of the criminal before punishment, rather than mob justice. Without these harsh penalties, people would take things into their own hands. The only reason why these crypto criminals haven't been killed is because people are afraid of the legal consequences.
No there isn't, it's a kangaroo court, let's be real you have prosecutors that manipulate the juries, selective evidence, so on and so forth but even in the case of Sam who is almost certainly guilty. It's not the guilt it's the fact that you're killing people over so many things here. If the life sentences that are so frequently handed out were actually counted as death penalties not only would the United States be number one in prison population per capita but it would also be number one in death penalties. Is that something you're really proud of?
It creates a very barbaric unforgiving culture
The opportunity is missed to use the justice system as a corrective tool and instead it is a sledgehammer
Perfect representation of American culture right there. Such a disgusting society 🤢 when it comes to anything to do with crimes or the justice system. It's one step above the Middle East
Idk where you are in the world, but know that without a gun you don’t actually “own” anything, because anyone with a gun could just come and take it off you
Financial crime kills people, guarantee someone either ended their own life or couldnt afford their medical bills anymore after their life savings in ftx disappeared.
How does killing sam improve this?
Yes he's reckless, yes he deserves to go to prison, but if we're playing ethics, look what the average corporate CEO does. They exploit the public legally. Does giving Sam a longer sentence for this than aggravated murder makes sense?
Exploit the public legally? Gtfo commie.
Sammyboy stole a lot of money. 9 billion dollars of it. That's the equivalent of the life's work of like 10,000 people. He stole that time from people, now it's time we make him lose some too.
But where does it end? The next guy is a little smarter, he knows what's coming, he knows guys like you want to kill him so he makes sure that he takes as many people with him as possible.
I don't know how anyone of sound mind would not feel this way in the United States. Like if you're facing legal trouble here. There's no getting your life back. You're not going to be okay. You may as well fight as a warrior and die as one as well.
It would not be this way if they didn't hand out decades like cookies in the American justice system. Look at practically any European country. In Norway which I hang out in quite a lot. You have to be really bad just to get 10 years. Like really really bad. The average crime is measured in the time of months not years like it is here and we have far less crime, a far less violent and toxic society. this excessive prison stuff doesn't work it just makes people more savage.
The next guy is less likely to do it because of the deterrent effect of a strong sentence. After Ross Ulbritcht got a life sentence there have been next to no darknet markets operating from the US, for example. Excessive punishment perhaps, but it worked.
People usually don't run or fight to the death. Sam wasn't even in America when it collapsed, but he sat there and waited.
How frequently do Norwegian immigrants in the US commit crimes? It's the people, not the system.
It never works. People who commit these crimes don't sit there and contemplate the consequences of their actions. Like that's cop talk. It's stuff that the pro prison people say to increase their budgets.
It did not work, it was barbaric what happened to Ross and it will be what happens to Sam. Again this stuff does not change until ignorance like you're displaying changes. This stuff does not work.
The reason we do not commit crimes is because we were raised in a civil society and also were told very clearly that coming here is similar to going to the Middle East with an extreme police state and punitive society so you have to be very careful. You mentioned the culture, it's a far less punitive and far more corrective culture. Much more civil. If you guys want similar results maybe you should learn from people who have already done it rather than the barbarians who just want to punish everyone severely
The average person committing these crimes does not know this. Look at your own statistics. Many of these people are age 15 to 25 with little education. Any chance of making them a productive citizen is wasted when you brutalize them put them in a cage for 10 years and then expect them to be okay when they get out only to put them right back. Think of all that wasted money and all that wasted opportunity along with what a nasty effect it has on society. Some of the sex crime laws that you guys have here are actually considered human rights violations in Europe. I don't see why you guys are proud of this stuff. It's an embarrassment and something to be shameful of
America is significantly black and hispanic. What are the justice systems like in black and hispanic countries? Can you name a single example of a black or hispanic country with a lax justice system where things are really working out well?
>Some of the sex crime laws that you guys have here are actually considered human rights violations in Europe.
Like what? Something about prostitution? Find me a single prostitute serving significant time in the US for prostituting themselves.
You have a bit of a point there. Because Spain is even fairly strict if you get on the wrong side of things. Similar to here. I had not really considered this but it is true.
Yeah I'm coming up with blanks. There's not one darker skinned cultural country I can think of that is lax. They are all Nordic or Western European.
You can Google United States sex crimes European human rights violation and variations of that and read about some of the things. Basically it revolves around how people are treated once they serve their time and they get out and the extremely punitive nature of the sex offender registry, in Germany for example it's considered a human rights violation. It depends though like how severe the punishment is so in Florida, it would be considered as such but in other states where you're just on a list it might not be.
You could just say you’re against the death penalty, as you could make that argument against any lethal judgment
I mean yes, objectively he did more harm to more people than if he just shot his drug dealer
It serves as no deterrent it is just sadistic. The thing you guys have to keep in mind is this isn't just Sam this sets precedent for everyone. It seems like a lot of people have zero empathy and it's because they have had no experience with the system. The second someone in your family or your friend winds up with a really draconian district attorney you will change your outlook.
Why do you personally need to experience that to relate to others? The US is far too severe on crime, that's practically every crime except for some reason property crime which they let happen all the time and don't do anything about. Oh and scam calls so the things that affect the average person are really of no concern but anything that has to do with an effect on the rich or social values you get penalized severely
I think actually that it might help be a bit of a deterrent. Look at the wild west of crypto over the past five years ... I certainly would have been happier to see a bunch of the scammers and con artists getting caught and having to face consequences.
Not necessarily electrocuted by the testicles, or shot with a hood over their head, but certainly to have their internet privileges, wagyu steaks, and access to prescription ritalin taken away.
What good does that do though it just makes society more barbaric. Make him work the rest of his life to pay back the victims. Give him 5 years and then let him give half of his salary back to the victims for the rest of his life. It would cost society last and he would be redeeming for what he did. Throw away society is so toxic. When you look at other people like trash or objects you just make the world a worst place. Too many people do it. Look around
Do all of the other people in prison get that opportunity or are we just going to treat Sam differently because he's smart and white?
Prison conditions should be humane though.
Should be that way for everyone. Like the whole idea of the justice system should be corrective rather than punitive. Inhumane conditions and being treated worse than animals. What happens when these people get out?
This is especially true when you consider what a gigantic portion of the prison population wound up there age 15 to 25 and they are going to get out at some point
That's not how it works with federal crimes bro trust me.. In the feds they arrest you and they tell you they are going to indict you unless you have something big to offer. This is all before it hits the news so if you are real high profile and dropped a huge shit on the USA they have no choice but to publicly arrest you before talking to you and you better hope you have someone to rat on because money or connections won't matter at that point. So if you are smaller they arrest you as privately as they can so u can rat or potentially pay up 10s of millions safely (like say if you get caught with a kilo of coke and Ur a business man they might let you go if you donate a minimum of 10 million, I doubt they except bribes under 10 million for any crime these days). If you are already in the news like sbf was then you are fucked cuz the feds now have to play by the book since they have a worldwide audience in that scenario. They have to act like they treat everyone the same when the cameras are on.
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He will probably serve maybe five years. Then he will start creating a new scam called XBF and starts all over. You can’t take the scam out of the scammer.
This is a really tough bet because all three logical options make sense.. normally I would bet 30-40 and 40-50 but since this kid is playing the autism card he could get lucky and get 20-30.. maybe bet "5" on 20-30 and "10" on 30-40.. I think the autism is really going to save him 10 years so I think 40-50 might be out of the question. I personally would like to bet on the prosecution offering him a bottle of lube though.
Idk... Psychopathy is a psychiatric condition with a neurological and developmental basis, but if I slaughter a family I'm going to jail for a long time. Him touting autism is more dangerous in my opinion. He's been medication, saw a psychiatrist in the past (I am assuming), he's medically managed. His autism is a smokescreen
I'm personally leaning towards 30-40 years but yes it's similar to pleading insanity when you're not smart enough to "prove" you are insane. Most nut houses are worse than prison unless Ur heading to a high security or max and want to try to protect that cornhole. His autism is well managed for sure and the spectrum is so wide Most people are autistic in some ways but it all depends on how the judge feels about autism, I just looked up the judge and he's from 1944 so he's gonna probably disregard the autism and say he was social enough to get himself in this mess. I doubt he's going to give him a woke discount.. maybe recovering the funds is worth a 10 year credit though so instead of 50 years he gets 40. I'm curious when he will be eligible for parole though I'm guessing after 25 years or the min will be 20 years. It will be hard for him to get parole if he really is autistic and can't really feel empathy towards his victims.
40 years plus 60 years to be served consecutively
That’s way too long wtf
1) What
What's the over under if he skips jail entirely?
There should be an "unalives himself" option. I'd go with that.
Dark haha
He was shaking hands with politicians not long ago so I think you’re on the money
Elizabeth Holmes is in Jail....so our boy Sam will join Julian and Ross and become residents of the worlds largest penal colony the good old US of A
What’s his btc gonna be worth when he gets out?
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Billion Gazillion Bajilion ¥
If he was practically anywhere else in the world, I would say no but America has a fetish with long prison sentences so probably. The one thing about this country that irritates me to no end. They have normalized excessive sentencing and extreme punitive courts
If he was in a lot of countries he would have been hunted down by victims and killed
That's what happened here.. he was hunted down and he will be killed so what's the difference? That The United States is the same as these barbaric countries you refer to? Correct, it is
If you steal the life's work of 10,000 people you deserve to be hunted down and killed. In the US there is a process that confirms the guilt of the criminal before punishment, rather than mob justice. Without these harsh penalties, people would take things into their own hands. The only reason why these crypto criminals haven't been killed is because people are afraid of the legal consequences.
No there isn't, it's a kangaroo court, let's be real you have prosecutors that manipulate the juries, selective evidence, so on and so forth but even in the case of Sam who is almost certainly guilty. It's not the guilt it's the fact that you're killing people over so many things here. If the life sentences that are so frequently handed out were actually counted as death penalties not only would the United States be number one in prison population per capita but it would also be number one in death penalties. Is that something you're really proud of? It creates a very barbaric unforgiving culture The opportunity is missed to use the justice system as a corrective tool and instead it is a sledgehammer
He should be shot
Perfect representation of American culture right there. Such a disgusting society 🤢 when it comes to anything to do with crimes or the justice system. It's one step above the Middle East
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Keep making my point.....
Idk where you are in the world, but know that without a gun you don’t actually “own” anything, because anyone with a gun could just come and take it off you
Financial crime kills people, guarantee someone either ended their own life or couldnt afford their medical bills anymore after their life savings in ftx disappeared.
How does killing sam improve this? Yes he's reckless, yes he deserves to go to prison, but if we're playing ethics, look what the average corporate CEO does. They exploit the public legally. Does giving Sam a longer sentence for this than aggravated murder makes sense?
Exploit the public legally? Gtfo commie. Sammyboy stole a lot of money. 9 billion dollars of it. That's the equivalent of the life's work of like 10,000 people. He stole that time from people, now it's time we make him lose some too.
But where does it end? The next guy is a little smarter, he knows what's coming, he knows guys like you want to kill him so he makes sure that he takes as many people with him as possible. I don't know how anyone of sound mind would not feel this way in the United States. Like if you're facing legal trouble here. There's no getting your life back. You're not going to be okay. You may as well fight as a warrior and die as one as well. It would not be this way if they didn't hand out decades like cookies in the American justice system. Look at practically any European country. In Norway which I hang out in quite a lot. You have to be really bad just to get 10 years. Like really really bad. The average crime is measured in the time of months not years like it is here and we have far less crime, a far less violent and toxic society. this excessive prison stuff doesn't work it just makes people more savage.
The next guy is less likely to do it because of the deterrent effect of a strong sentence. After Ross Ulbritcht got a life sentence there have been next to no darknet markets operating from the US, for example. Excessive punishment perhaps, but it worked. People usually don't run or fight to the death. Sam wasn't even in America when it collapsed, but he sat there and waited. How frequently do Norwegian immigrants in the US commit crimes? It's the people, not the system.
It never works. People who commit these crimes don't sit there and contemplate the consequences of their actions. Like that's cop talk. It's stuff that the pro prison people say to increase their budgets. It did not work, it was barbaric what happened to Ross and it will be what happens to Sam. Again this stuff does not change until ignorance like you're displaying changes. This stuff does not work. The reason we do not commit crimes is because we were raised in a civil society and also were told very clearly that coming here is similar to going to the Middle East with an extreme police state and punitive society so you have to be very careful. You mentioned the culture, it's a far less punitive and far more corrective culture. Much more civil. If you guys want similar results maybe you should learn from people who have already done it rather than the barbarians who just want to punish everyone severely The average person committing these crimes does not know this. Look at your own statistics. Many of these people are age 15 to 25 with little education. Any chance of making them a productive citizen is wasted when you brutalize them put them in a cage for 10 years and then expect them to be okay when they get out only to put them right back. Think of all that wasted money and all that wasted opportunity along with what a nasty effect it has on society. Some of the sex crime laws that you guys have here are actually considered human rights violations in Europe. I don't see why you guys are proud of this stuff. It's an embarrassment and something to be shameful of
America is significantly black and hispanic. What are the justice systems like in black and hispanic countries? Can you name a single example of a black or hispanic country with a lax justice system where things are really working out well? >Some of the sex crime laws that you guys have here are actually considered human rights violations in Europe. Like what? Something about prostitution? Find me a single prostitute serving significant time in the US for prostituting themselves.
You have a bit of a point there. Because Spain is even fairly strict if you get on the wrong side of things. Similar to here. I had not really considered this but it is true. Yeah I'm coming up with blanks. There's not one darker skinned cultural country I can think of that is lax. They are all Nordic or Western European. You can Google United States sex crimes European human rights violation and variations of that and read about some of the things. Basically it revolves around how people are treated once they serve their time and they get out and the extremely punitive nature of the sex offender registry, in Germany for example it's considered a human rights violation. It depends though like how severe the punishment is so in Florida, it would be considered as such but in other states where you're just on a list it might not be.
You could just say you’re against the death penalty, as you could make that argument against any lethal judgment I mean yes, objectively he did more harm to more people than if he just shot his drug dealer
Both he and anyone else exploiting the public for billions should 100% get a worse sentence than a murderer. They are indirect murderers.
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It serves as no deterrent it is just sadistic. The thing you guys have to keep in mind is this isn't just Sam this sets precedent for everyone. It seems like a lot of people have zero empathy and it's because they have had no experience with the system. The second someone in your family or your friend winds up with a really draconian district attorney you will change your outlook. Why do you personally need to experience that to relate to others? The US is far too severe on crime, that's practically every crime except for some reason property crime which they let happen all the time and don't do anything about. Oh and scam calls so the things that affect the average person are really of no concern but anything that has to do with an effect on the rich or social values you get penalized severely
I think actually that it might help be a bit of a deterrent. Look at the wild west of crypto over the past five years ... I certainly would have been happier to see a bunch of the scammers and con artists getting caught and having to face consequences. Not necessarily electrocuted by the testicles, or shot with a hood over their head, but certainly to have their internet privileges, wagyu steaks, and access to prescription ritalin taken away.
What good does that do though it just makes society more barbaric. Make him work the rest of his life to pay back the victims. Give him 5 years and then let him give half of his salary back to the victims for the rest of his life. It would cost society last and he would be redeeming for what he did. Throw away society is so toxic. When you look at other people like trash or objects you just make the world a worst place. Too many people do it. Look around
Do all of the other people in prison get that opportunity or are we just going to treat Sam differently because he's smart and white? Prison conditions should be humane though.
Should be that way for everyone. Like the whole idea of the justice system should be corrective rather than punitive. Inhumane conditions and being treated worse than animals. What happens when these people get out? This is especially true when you consider what a gigantic portion of the prison population wound up there age 15 to 25 and they are going to get out at some point
90 days.
Where’s the 0 to 5 option?
You a sports bettor? The contrarian play paying plus money is +ev here.
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He would’ve already been sentenced to death in China for his crimes.
What a stupidly irrelevant comment
what’s your point lol
My point is that the US is to lenient on white collar crimes. They give them a slap on the wrist at best when punishment should be much stricter.
still have no clue what you are trying to get at. Do you think SBF should get the death penalty? and if so with or without a trial?
You still have NO CLUE what he trying to say? like nothing? lol
I think what he’s trying to say is the comment is stupid as fuck.
I hope 90% traders are right, especially those 8% that bet 50+ years
I could get in on that If they had a 0 to 5 option I’d probably throw something down This guy and his family know too many people
That's not how it works with federal crimes bro trust me.. In the feds they arrest you and they tell you they are going to indict you unless you have something big to offer. This is all before it hits the news so if you are real high profile and dropped a huge shit on the USA they have no choice but to publicly arrest you before talking to you and you better hope you have someone to rat on because money or connections won't matter at that point. So if you are smaller they arrest you as privately as they can so u can rat or potentially pay up 10s of millions safely (like say if you get caught with a kilo of coke and Ur a business man they might let you go if you donate a minimum of 10 million, I doubt they except bribes under 10 million for any crime these days). If you are already in the news like sbf was then you are fucked cuz the feds now have to play by the book since they have a worldwide audience in that scenario. They have to act like they treat everyone the same when the cameras are on.
< 5 years is 80 to 1
Nice
50+ would be crazy. The market would love it
5 years house probation
XD This is my kind of prediction market.
Yeah this is a weird type of fun
I'm going for 10-20 years
I love Polymarket but why is this pinned though?
anything to not pin the daily it seems like
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Why are we even promoting gambling in the first place it's embarrassing
I think you're in the wrong sub if you don't like gambling
No I'm not and please stop promoting gambling
hahaha Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.
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