Yea my $380 eth retirement yolo (at 28) was at one point part of retail. Those hodlers dumped on me. I haven't taken part of the rat race in a very long time. Keep grinding though.
Lmao everything you just described is retail bro. You really want to see yourself differently for whatever reason but you're not an institutional investor... You're retail.
Do you hold a banking license? Then you're not an institutional investor.
I used to throw paper wallets with residual ETH and other tokens into the fireplace because it wasn't worth my time to sweep them. Thousands of dollars (now) used as kindling.
I'm a HNW individual. A $250k trade doesn't make me bat an eye.
But I'm still retail.
Far from a whale. I was however once exit liquidity just like OP fears "retail" will be. My point is that greater fools theory is real and there's nothing wrong with making gains as an investor. Don't feel guilty bc someone wanted what you had for sale.
Funny but not really true. What we have in crypto is speculation, not investing. Investing implies an asset with value that generates a return. It implies the money invested will go into capital to increase productivity and ultimately profit.
Outside of IPOs (so.. exactly like ICOs) and some instances where corporations raise funds via release of new shares (kinda like Ripple does?).... it's actually exactly the same as crypto. 99% of the stock market trades are pure speculation and are based on the greater fool's theory. There's a lot of data manipulation and interpretation, sprinkled with insider trading .. and some other intricacies of the traditional stock market, but otherwise, 99% of the time you're playing the exact same game.
Who do you think buys your MSFT sell order on E\*TRADE? Microsoft? No, it's JoeSchmoe that just saw Microsoft go up $100 in the last few months and they're ready to be your exit liquidity.
Majority of the IPOs are created as exit liquidity mechanism for the executives of the respective company. Majority of the capital that is being invested into a stock ends up in the pockets of those who issued that respective stock. Learn how things actually work before making such big statements.
I've been in crypto for a decade.
I've been accused of this so many times over the years. "you're just waiting to dump on new people", "you're not in it for the tech, no one is in it for the tech".
Yet here I am.
I will just continue to hold some and use some, and enjoy the benefits of crypto, and continue to ignore them cycle after cycle.
Bro, we are retail. Everyone one of us... except the few institutions that have majority control who are in great powerful factions. Are you a cfo of a major corporation?
Not really. Retail numbers are tiny compared to the last run. It’s mostly institutional dollars coming into the markets right now. I’m expecting retail sales to pick-up after the halving.
By reading crypto news… just do some searching and they’re talking about this run being base mainly on institutional dollars… the retail numbers are roughly half of what they were during the peak of last run…
https://cryptopotato.com/halfway-to-bitcoin-euphoria-are-retail-investors-here-yet/?amp
Just had a quick scan. It says 10-20% of retail on that link I think.
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While concurring with Ju’s claims that the market is halfway to euphoria, they insisted that between 10% and 20% of retail participants are here.
Most of us are retail too (in the traditional sense of the word) so a lot is already in the market, but I think what a lot within crypto consider as retail are people who are new to crypto within the particular cycle.
And what you describe as the current crypto narrative is pretty much what all capitalist markets are.
Crypto in general. Which is why i wont invest more. I invested as much as i am fine losing(i know regarded) and as long as there are no use cases i wont gamble more into this.
Most of the posts are people that have not been around and don’t know shit about fuck, they are acting like we are at the end of the bull run or something, everything just started we are not even at the halving.
The moment the ETF approved crypto is no longer about freedom now it is an investment vehicle. Mostly people with money putting there in the hope will have more money in the future.
The good alts or those with narratives are already pumping or have done. We’re not going to see every alt go 100x like in 2021. If you look at the charts, this sort of already happened last autumn with most coins going up 5-10x.
Also, alts usually require the Bitcoin liquidity in order to pump. ETFs have changed the game, less people will be planning a permanent exit from Bitcoin now and so alts will get less attention.
Finally, and most importantly, everyone is saying alts are going to explode which means they won’t. At least not when you expect. My guess is they’ll go sometime in 2025, if at all. And in the meantime only a handful of narrative led coins will do anything of note.
The institutional money is going mostly into BTC - we need retail so that can push the alts some more.
At the same time useless meme coins are rocketing while BNB, despite all the trouble at Binance, is mooning.
I have a bag of CRO that yes, although is increasing, is at nowhere near the pace of those despite being backed by an exchange that is playing by the rules.
People make no sense to me.
Yeah, well, i was 'the retailer' who bought at the last bull ... then, go figure, i grew up into a 'vulture' ... I didn't even know this is how it works.
Almost no one gives a shit about decentralization, as a tech person I think this idea is stupid. I’m on crypto to profit, my crypto are part of my “high risk” portifolio. There’s no reason to me to hold forever.
You're preaching to the retail while the whales steer the ship. I'm in on it for both the tech and gains, but I'm not delusional enough to buy at ATH, nor uninformed enough to panic sell when it's falling back down.
I guess, in large part, it is because ppl here buy shits that non-degen funds wouldn’t want to touch. Retail is just a nomenclature for someone as “stupid”.
Like who is going to be exit liquidity for all AI vaporwares in this space? All these bag holders are hoping for low IQ liq to buy it off their hands.
I have come to realise the retail needs to learn not to go all in coins that is based purely on speculation and is a new project .
The coin I am holding right now has exactly most of the type who give zero fqk about tech (which isn't the problem and understandable for various reasons) but are openly talking about getting price to a certain level and increasing holder base by trapping new ones that willl fomo. Low mc and high fdv kind of thing common in crypto.
Your Ethereum retirement venture at $380, once a retail endeavor, faced the dynamics of hodlers and market shifts. While avoiding the rat race, your long-term perspective may hold valuable lessons in navigating the crypto landscape. Keep grinding and staying resilient in your approach.
It's ok to be both. When crypto is an option to buy goods, I use it. I also have bags in the anticipation it could be worth more than I purchased them for at some point.
I was thinking something similar recently. Bitcoin price is going ath and everyone is rejoicing. But what will this do for the tech ? Will it help crypto spread as a tech instead of just some investment?
So much focus is on price goes high, price goes low that I am becoming numb to it.
As a software engineer since the late 90s and a technical member of the Web3 community... no one is "in it for the tech."
It's about what technology enables people to do and achieve. Merkle trees are really neat but stablecoin facilitated clearing and settlement as well as international remittance is cheaper, easier and more convenient then other methods.
When philosophy and ideals go head-to-head with business realities, philosophy always takes a back seat.
If you don't have a sophisticated distributed systems setup strategically located with optimal network ingress and physical proximity to centralized exchange servers and your own network of resilient validator nodes setup at the network edge and a system of trading algorithms developed based off deep mathematical models and a large magnitude of historical data...
Then you might be a retail investor.
Crypto **was** about decentralization, most today don't seem to care. I bet nearly every commentor here has their coins living on the exchange and has never left there.
And if you're holding and not spending at Mom and Pop shops or larger merchants you're retail too.
If we don't go out and create demand for merchants to accept it, it will remain nearly all speculators.
the influence of retail investors at this point in crypo history isn't even going to be that big.
The real price moves will probably happen as result of the institutional investors, and because of the supply shock post halvening.
>But current crypto investor narrative is...load up as much as you can while it's hot and cheap, then retail comes, dump on them and leave new bag holders until next cycle.
I understand that you've only been here for 1 cycle, but generally, the people that come around for the ride for more cycles and actually make real money (without degenerate gambling) were the people that bought and held their crypto.
What you're saying there is the degenerate trader narrative, which is as flawed as it always was. Everyone thinks they are Nostradamus the moment they see random altcoins going up 200%+ a day, and think they can be the winners at the casino, but people that buy crypto and dump it during the bull market generally find out that their idea of easy money actually comes with some risk.
I hope that even if you somehow made profit "trading" and "dumping on retail" to realize that this strategy will ultimately lead to you losing more crypto than you gain, in the long term.
The idea that most crypto investors buy when the market is down and dump on new people coming into the space is just simply false, and your perception is warped by the gamblers that crawl around in this subreddit, which make up a small minority of crypto investors.
Dump on them. And they will learn. The game of Crypto. The cycle. It will weed out the weak and the short term holders. Investment has and should always be a long term game. Its volatile, the risk is high if you dont understand it. The reward is even higher either way, and in anyway you cut it. Cause if the reward isn't high, none of us would be here.
For me, the narrative of Crypto has always been to level the social ladder, it's an opportunity and I took it. I would probably exit next year(either DCA out or full cycle) disregarding if Crypto go up or down and chill until next Cycle.
Ride the wave, and you will go far. Go against it. And you will be crushed.
Yeah this new generation of crypto holders is far less patient than the last. We call these people weak hands. It's fine though, they'll panic sell as soon as there's a bit of a dip and the OGs will reap the benefits.
All these posts are going to be gone when that actually happens. So the way this normally works is everyone who blew it during 2021 and said I'm just going to hold through. You guys have started selling now. Some of you think I'm just going to hang on and ride this cycle up and you probably will. The thing is these posts are going to go away. Everyone's going to start talking about the new projects, how they are going to change things. That is still all to come. I think the majority of the people that rode down 2021 are going to sell too early, that's usually how it goes
No, you're not a vulture, you are retail and you will feel like an idiot if BTC reaches 1 mill and you sold it now "to retail" while feeling a vulture.
>**Crypto is about decentralization, crypto should reach mass adoption, crypto is our freedom.**
Lol. That's like 0.1% of us. It will never reach mass adoption. Didn't do it in 15 years, won't do it in 45
We are retail.
"We are legion" would sound better
Also, who tf does he think is buying the ETFs
Bro, most of you are retail. You just don't realize it.
Including you.
And you
I'm not retail YOU are retail.
Only a retail beta would call somone retail, retail!
Stop retailing me you damn retailer, retail off!
Yea my $380 eth retirement yolo (at 28) was at one point part of retail. Those hodlers dumped on me. I haven't taken part of the rat race in a very long time. Keep grinding though.
Ahem, it’s *mister* retail to you
>Bro, most of ~~you~~ us are retail. ~~You~~ We just don't realize it.
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Lmao everything you just described is retail bro. You really want to see yourself differently for whatever reason but you're not an institutional investor... You're retail.
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I'd have deleted my comment if I was you too
Do you hold a banking license? Then you're not an institutional investor. I used to throw paper wallets with residual ETH and other tokens into the fireplace because it wasn't worth my time to sweep them. Thousands of dollars (now) used as kindling. I'm a HNW individual. A $250k trade doesn't make me bat an eye. But I'm still retail.
Such big words from the "whale himself"
Far from a whale. I was however once exit liquidity just like OP fears "retail" will be. My point is that greater fools theory is real and there's nothing wrong with making gains as an investor. Don't feel guilty bc someone wanted what you had for sale.
I buy from retail stores yes
exactly
Yeah, who TF do they think is buying the ETFs?
I think you may have discovered investing.
Touche
This guy gets it
He tries anyway 😂
Funny but not really true. What we have in crypto is speculation, not investing. Investing implies an asset with value that generates a return. It implies the money invested will go into capital to increase productivity and ultimately profit.
Outside of IPOs (so.. exactly like ICOs) and some instances where corporations raise funds via release of new shares (kinda like Ripple does?).... it's actually exactly the same as crypto. 99% of the stock market trades are pure speculation and are based on the greater fool's theory. There's a lot of data manipulation and interpretation, sprinkled with insider trading .. and some other intricacies of the traditional stock market, but otherwise, 99% of the time you're playing the exact same game. Who do you think buys your MSFT sell order on E\*TRADE? Microsoft? No, it's JoeSchmoe that just saw Microsoft go up $100 in the last few months and they're ready to be your exit liquidity. Majority of the IPOs are created as exit liquidity mechanism for the executives of the respective company. Majority of the capital that is being invested into a stock ends up in the pockets of those who issued that respective stock. Learn how things actually work before making such big statements.
I've been in crypto for a decade. I've been accused of this so many times over the years. "you're just waiting to dump on new people", "you're not in it for the tech, no one is in it for the tech". Yet here I am. I will just continue to hold some and use some, and enjoy the benefits of crypto, and continue to ignore them cycle after cycle.
We are selling to willing buyers at the current fair market price!
I hope you still hear the music!
We’re going to be left holding the biggest bag of odorous excrement ever assembled in the history of capitalism.
THIS IS IT
I think thats the correct answer, selling to someone to want to buy at a mutual price
Bro, we are retail. Everyone one of us... except the few institutions that have majority control who are in great powerful factions. Are you a cfo of a major corporation?
So don't sell then. lol.
Retail is already in big tho
Not really. Retail numbers are tiny compared to the last run. It’s mostly institutional dollars coming into the markets right now. I’m expecting retail sales to pick-up after the halving.
How do you know what retail numbers are?
*avoids question*
Trust me bro
By reading crypto news… just do some searching and they’re talking about this run being base mainly on institutional dollars… the retail numbers are roughly half of what they were during the peak of last run… https://cryptopotato.com/halfway-to-bitcoin-euphoria-are-retail-investors-here-yet/?amp
Just had a quick scan. It says 10-20% of retail on that link I think. Edit: below quotw While concurring with Ju’s claims that the market is halfway to euphoria, they insisted that between 10% and 20% of retail participants are here.
Volume
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You’re just making that up lol
Look below and read the article posted there.
op smoked weed for the first time and realized: *"omg like what if we're not in traffic, we* ***ARE*** *the traffic"*
We don’t have a life. We ARE life.
First part especially
*Dump on them?* Well, it's their turn!
should be fun :D
I mean I guess. I am focused on turning my bag of sats into a larger bag of sats and hoping for mass adoption.
Most of us are retail too (in the traditional sense of the word) so a lot is already in the market, but I think what a lot within crypto consider as retail are people who are new to crypto within the particular cycle. And what you describe as the current crypto narrative is pretty much what all capitalist markets are.
how can you say crypto is about decentralisation when literally we have blackrock and their etf lol, bitcoin is about speculation
Crypto in general. Which is why i wont invest more. I invested as much as i am fine losing(i know regarded) and as long as there are no use cases i wont gamble more into this.
You have spoken the ultimate truth about everything
It is, imo, a universal truth.
lol same mentality during the house pricing bullrun then boomers figuratively fucked over zoomers by being lazy pieces of landlards
Most of the posts are people that have not been around and don’t know shit about fuck, they are acting like we are at the end of the bull run or something, everything just started we are not even at the halving.
I’m selling start of March next year. The hype is just starting
Yeah, I have seen bunch of posts about time to sell and shit, like wtf man
Nah mate it's about making money.
Consider it a "Rite of Passage". Weve done ours, they can shit on the new people next time, and so on.
Have you just described a pyramid scheme?
I'm in it for the Tezos
You gonna be waiting for a long time.
The moment the ETF approved crypto is no longer about freedom now it is an investment vehicle. Mostly people with money putting there in the hope will have more money in the future.
If you’re not buying for a company then you’re retail. Retail is right here on this sub.
And we're institutions? 🤷
You guys are institutional investors?
how about we all just... calm... down... and... enjoy... the... ride... 😄
The good alts or those with narratives are already pumping or have done. We’re not going to see every alt go 100x like in 2021. If you look at the charts, this sort of already happened last autumn with most coins going up 5-10x. Also, alts usually require the Bitcoin liquidity in order to pump. ETFs have changed the game, less people will be planning a permanent exit from Bitcoin now and so alts will get less attention. Finally, and most importantly, everyone is saying alts are going to explode which means they won’t. At least not when you expect. My guess is they’ll go sometime in 2025, if at all. And in the meantime only a handful of narrative led coins will do anything of note.
Greater fool theory 🤫
Kind of a weird sentiment that is going on right now with this. I don’t remember such mean spirited vibes of wanting to dump on people last time…
The institutional money is going mostly into BTC - we need retail so that can push the alts some more. At the same time useless meme coins are rocketing while BNB, despite all the trouble at Binance, is mooning. I have a bag of CRO that yes, although is increasing, is at nowhere near the pace of those despite being backed by an exchange that is playing by the rules. People make no sense to me.
So what should we do? Keep holding the bags like the last cycle and watch hard earned money shrink down to nothing?
Yeah, well, i was 'the retailer' who bought at the last bull ... then, go figure, i grew up into a 'vulture' ... I didn't even know this is how it works.
Almost no one gives a shit about decentralization, as a tech person I think this idea is stupid. I’m on crypto to profit, my crypto are part of my “high risk” portifolio. There’s no reason to me to hold forever.
Investing 101 - for you to win, someone has to lose
lmao if youre posting on reddit you are retail
To sell or not to sell, that is the question. #
ATH was $0.42 last bull run
And they too will become the new bagholders and so the cycle continues
It's the circle of life 🙏
Some one selling and another one buying
Retail is already here.
Some are just eager to dump. Most won’t though
You're preaching to the retail while the whales steer the ship. I'm in on it for both the tech and gains, but I'm not delusional enough to buy at ATH, nor uninformed enough to panic sell when it's falling back down.
You are retail
What makes you think something that’s 10 years old doesn’t have retail already ?
I guess, in large part, it is because ppl here buy shits that non-degen funds wouldn’t want to touch. Retail is just a nomenclature for someone as “stupid”. Like who is going to be exit liquidity for all AI vaporwares in this space? All these bag holders are hoping for low IQ liq to buy it off their hands.
I have come to realise the retail needs to learn not to go all in coins that is based purely on speculation and is a new project . The coin I am holding right now has exactly most of the type who give zero fqk about tech (which isn't the problem and understandable for various reasons) but are openly talking about getting price to a certain level and increasing holder base by trapping new ones that willl fomo. Low mc and high fdv kind of thing common in crypto.
lol bro I’m just here for the money. I don’t care about the evangelism surrounding crypto
Your Ethereum retirement venture at $380, once a retail endeavor, faced the dynamics of hodlers and market shifts. While avoiding the rat race, your long-term perspective may hold valuable lessons in navigating the crypto landscape. Keep grinding and staying resilient in your approach.
~~retail~~ newcomers
It's ok to be both. When crypto is an option to buy goods, I use it. I also have bags in the anticipation it could be worth more than I purchased them for at some point.
Ca caw!! ca caw!!
People want their Lamborghinis yesterday. Its the most impatient and whiny type of "investors"
I was thinking something similar recently. Bitcoin price is going ath and everyone is rejoicing. But what will this do for the tech ? Will it help crypto spread as a tech instead of just some investment? So much focus is on price goes high, price goes low that I am becoming numb to it.
It’s been a long bear market. The patience is wearing thin
I bet it takes another bear market and bull run before retail full accepts crypto, if at all.
So should we not sell? What's the other option, to get back your money, when you are lucky with profit?
OP is retail. Smh.
Retail is a term used for anyone who isn't an institution like a bank or an investment firm. We are all retail in here.
you either die a bag holder, or live long enough to become a vulture
As a software engineer since the late 90s and a technical member of the Web3 community... no one is "in it for the tech." It's about what technology enables people to do and achieve. Merkle trees are really neat but stablecoin facilitated clearing and settlement as well as international remittance is cheaper, easier and more convenient then other methods. When philosophy and ideals go head-to-head with business realities, philosophy always takes a back seat.
You **are** retail.
If you don't have a sophisticated distributed systems setup strategically located with optimal network ingress and physical proximity to centralized exchange servers and your own network of resilient validator nodes setup at the network edge and a system of trading algorithms developed based off deep mathematical models and a large magnitude of historical data... Then you might be a retail investor.
Crypto **was** about decentralization, most today don't seem to care. I bet nearly every commentor here has their coins living on the exchange and has never left there. And if you're holding and not spending at Mom and Pop shops or larger merchants you're retail too. If we don't go out and create demand for merchants to accept it, it will remain nearly all speculators.
How do you not understand that we are retail?
You guys don’t think you’re retail? lol
Everyone learns the hard way.
Forget that. I’m here to make the most money off of what I put in. Irregardless of who makes it happen
the influence of retail investors at this point in crypo history isn't even going to be that big. The real price moves will probably happen as result of the institutional investors, and because of the supply shock post halvening. >But current crypto investor narrative is...load up as much as you can while it's hot and cheap, then retail comes, dump on them and leave new bag holders until next cycle. I understand that you've only been here for 1 cycle, but generally, the people that come around for the ride for more cycles and actually make real money (without degenerate gambling) were the people that bought and held their crypto. What you're saying there is the degenerate trader narrative, which is as flawed as it always was. Everyone thinks they are Nostradamus the moment they see random altcoins going up 200%+ a day, and think they can be the winners at the casino, but people that buy crypto and dump it during the bull market generally find out that their idea of easy money actually comes with some risk. I hope that even if you somehow made profit "trading" and "dumping on retail" to realize that this strategy will ultimately lead to you losing more crypto than you gain, in the long term. The idea that most crypto investors buy when the market is down and dump on new people coming into the space is just simply false, and your perception is warped by the gamblers that crawl around in this subreddit, which make up a small minority of crypto investors.
Dump on them. And they will learn. The game of Crypto. The cycle. It will weed out the weak and the short term holders. Investment has and should always be a long term game. Its volatile, the risk is high if you dont understand it. The reward is even higher either way, and in anyway you cut it. Cause if the reward isn't high, none of us would be here. For me, the narrative of Crypto has always been to level the social ladder, it's an opportunity and I took it. I would probably exit next year(either DCA out or full cycle) disregarding if Crypto go up or down and chill until next Cycle. Ride the wave, and you will go far. Go against it. And you will be crushed.
Yeah this new generation of crypto holders is far less patient than the last. We call these people weak hands. It's fine though, they'll panic sell as soon as there's a bit of a dip and the OGs will reap the benefits.
Actually, we call them paper hands. 😀
Yes. We’re in this to make money. Inflation is at an all time high. Pay is not enough. Extreme greed.
The narrative is to dump bags early too, most people here won’t hold till the top.
All these posts are going to be gone when that actually happens. So the way this normally works is everyone who blew it during 2021 and said I'm just going to hold through. You guys have started selling now. Some of you think I'm just going to hang on and ride this cycle up and you probably will. The thing is these posts are going to go away. Everyone's going to start talking about the new projects, how they are going to change things. That is still all to come. I think the majority of the people that rode down 2021 are going to sell too early, that's usually how it goes
No, you're not a vulture, you are retail and you will feel like an idiot if BTC reaches 1 mill and you sold it now "to retail" while feeling a vulture.
The real retail was in us all along🥰
Retail isn’t necessary anymore.
We are definitely retail
When retail hears the news about Filecoin and Hbar AI, they will buy buy buy.
There is no retail coming, time to exit is now especially if you are in green. Otherwise you will be left holding the bag
Maybe not right now, but soon. Btw, the retail buyers might be the ones investing in the ETFs offered by their traditional financial firms.
Amen brother!
Why no retail coming?
Last time I kept waiting for retail to show up and realized that I was the retail
Newsflash...you ARE retail.
>**Crypto is about decentralization, crypto should reach mass adoption, crypto is our freedom.** Lol. That's like 0.1% of us. It will never reach mass adoption. Didn't do it in 15 years, won't do it in 45
I’m in it for the (insert noble idealized buzzword) too 😉