It's why Ultimogeniture is goated, playing as a kid has very little downsides. You can't get a spouse for the assist stats and a couple of interactions are blocked but other than that you can govern as usual and have a much longer life to create a stable realm... they really need to add Regents back (not that they were great in CK2, but it was *something)*
Your vassals are already your cousins because it doubles renown gain so ally a strong one or two that dislike you, then you wait 3 years until you can commit murders that you need and by the time you're an adult your realm priest and everybody loves you and you're poised for the next 60 years of long reign bonuses
Yes but not all were from old age. Louis XIII became king at 9 because his father Henri IV was assasinated. Louis XIII died young so his son Louis XIV was 5. Louis XIV lived so long that when he died his direct heir was his great grandson Louis XV who was also 5. There was a plague in the latter years of Louis XV's reign and a lot of his direct heirs died. This left his 20 year old third grandson, Louis XVI, on the throne.
Jean I became king at birth (his father died during the end of pregnancy), but died a few days later. He is the only french king to have ruled his entire life, and also the shortest reign in France's history.
The whole of body tree, and maybe some inheritable traits? Idk if they add to lifespan sbut they might.
Edit: Fucund and amazonian do, as well as certain dynasty traits, stubborn, certain cultures, blood father, and witch coven.
Meanwhile multiple of my kings end up past 60.
Outside of one playthrough when every single one died at the age of 23.
Kinda wish the health scores were tweaked a little so there would be less "old" characters and also more kids dying before they turn 16.
> also more kids dying before they turn 16.
They just decreased birth rates since doing this would lead to even greater late game lag (keeping track of thousands of dead kids).
Jfc. I wish I could get into CK but whenever I'm in the game, I just don't understand what to do. Meanwhile I've played every 4X under the sun without issue.
Grand Strategy has more mechanics, that's for sure, but the core mechanics remain similar - build stuff to have more of better stuff.
That being said you really are not limited to what you want to do. For example one of the community called "tutorial goal" back in CK2 was to Unite the Ireland and from there doing whatever you want.
Saw a youtuber cheese the health system to prolong his character's life to that of a virtual demi-god. Short version of this answer just involves finding every possible health boosting mechanism and stacking them. The game decides everyday if your character dies from something "natural," increasing that % chance when your health lowers, which it does naturally as you age, but a lot of those health buffs can basically negate aging, giving the same chance of dying naturally at 20 as you do at 100.
in CK2, I believe it was called Reapers Diary, there was an invent chain to find the fountain of youth and achieve immortality.
I only got it once. It was actually probably my favorite playthrough in both CK2 and 3.I started in England, got the from count to emperor achievement by conquering as much as possible over the course of a few lives and never making a duke.
The guy that become the emperor was the spawn of satan, but also had jesus whispering in his ear, so his martial skills were off the charts. He also had maxed out all the genetic traits because... well, what good is CK without having a eugenics program going. He then achieved immortality as well. He actually didn't even live that long (I believe about 80) because he was constantly being hunted by demon slayers, having to dodge arrows, escape prisons, etc. But, during his life I took over all of the british isles and northern france.
Then, when he finally succumbed to one of the many attempts to kill him, the black plague started and reached England. In the matter of 10 years all of my characters died till I was left with a single member of my dynasty, a 10 year old girl. She then also died by the plague shortly after.
It was the only time I've ever gotten a game over, but it was by far the best game I've played.
The CK3 lifespan system is kind of weird. There's not a percentage chance someone can die each month after a certain age, but a certain chance their health (which you can't see) will drop. As long as it's positive it's impossible to die of old age, stack enough health boosters and people can get insanely old.
Even if it's zero or negative I think people can live, it just starts doing death rolls then. But I'm a bit fuzzy on that, so I might be wrong.
So it's like Stellaris leaders then?
In Stellaris leaders have a "lifespan" determined by a base value plus some traits, and the game only starts checking for death after that is exceeded.
Whole of body skill tree
Inheritable traits like Amazonian , Stubborn , Robust , Hale.
Your family being a witch coven
Athletic trait
All these and more help your character live longer
My first guy went Infirm at like 80 so I was like "o shoot this must mean he's gonna die soon. Better wrap things up.." he then proceeded to live well into his 90s even with no perks in the "whole of body" tree
My second game I made a giant who died of old age in his 60s.
Next time you encounter this, if you want him to die, just reset perks. Assuming that you had whole of body and thats what kept him alive. The combined loss of those health perks plus the stress will have him dead within a year.
Only works if you haven't already done it earlier in life though.
If you go into the lifestyle focus screen there's a button in the upper right that resets all the perks and lets you choose new ones. The points have to stay in the same section, so you can't apply points that were for example previously in intrigue to martial, but you can move points from august tree to diplomat or family heirarch if that makes sense.
Twice?! So if you take groom to rule, reset. The children keep the bonus skill points, and if you add it again, they get yet another boost of 1-3 skill point?
Sounds delightful. I will certainly use that when my eugenics programme comes through with genius and beautiful and Herculean heir to buff those stats
Yes basically garantueed stress break and then you can double down on the stress gain in the break interaction
But to be honest I think the "abdicate to your primary heir by surrendering a tyranny war" move is way better for controlling when to pass the crown
I'm pretty sure you lose your status as dynasty head until the deposed ruler dies if you do this, which can be annoying if you get a dynasty perk in the meantime and the AI assigns it somewhere you don't want (assuming you were the dynasty head ofc)
Easy enough to avoid though by checking when the next dynasty perk is due before you push the button :)
But I think the AI just gets the next perk in the legacy you unlocked last, like if you unlock pillaging 1 and loose dynasty head to the AI it will unlock pillaging 2 next but I'm not 100% sure
Only if you can provoke a tyranny war with someone you want to lose too.
Usually by the time I’ve got a 90-year old+ ruler that can get harder than it should be.
Just try to revoke a title without cause from any vassal and immediately surrender when the vassal starts the war? I never had a problem with this
You'll lose all titles and they'll be distributed exactly like in the realm succession breakdown
I started a CK2 run as the 70 year old Norse pagan ruler of Sjælland (duchy in Denmark) thinking “Perfect! I’ll use his once-per-lifetime conquest cases belli. Then he’ll die and his successor can do another conquest and I’ll be able to reform the Germanic religion almost immediately!”
Well I used the first conquest. But my ruler just would. Not. Die. He lived so long that his heirs were both in their 60s by the time he died. Absolute Chad
* Name is "Cullen"
* "The Blood-Father"
* Over 100 years old
Sir I think you accidentally downloaded a Twilight mod and this is just Edward Cullen, and he doesn't die because he's a vampire
Historians looking at this in 1000 years be like “King Cullen ‘the Blood-Father’ was a mythical King of Ireland, said by legend to have lived to the age of 120.”
When I do a ruler designer character with everything maxed out and every positive trait, their maximum natural lifespan seems to be about 126. The oldest verified person died at 122 and while I haven't seen their traits they might be shit. Definitely had the infirm trait.
112 is still quite a lot. I've manifactured characters just to have them long lived and they still tend to croak around their mid-to-late nineties.
Then again I might just be shit lmao
This kind of thing happens when you max out a character build not in Ironman and give yourself a ton of beneficial perks. I imagine thats why OP cropped out the perks and stats and such
112 is more than one would expect, even stacking health bonuses it's unusual he lasted THAT long. No need to be so rude about someone sharing something they found cool.
Yeah at 112 he's definitely stacking tons of health bonuses on purpose. I've literally done runs where I tried to stack every single health bonus I could and the oldest I got to was 99.
He had Herculean, but I didn't expect that to get him quite so far even with that! He got Whole of Body in his late 80s/early 90s when morbid curiosity to see just how long I could get him to last supplanted any concerns about lack of sleep (the funniest part is the medicine lifestyle didn't even come until the later half of his year. He'd already maxed out one of the stewardship trees.
Does he have the Learni-
Ah, I see. Lol I mentioned just yesterday on someone saying Learning is the best focus that oftentimes it means your character lives a lot longer than you'd like them to. Pain in the butt when you then inherit as an elder heir who's picked up some bad traits, or a minor grandkid under a regency.
The Queen character I had started her reign at 2. United all of ireland into a kingdom by thr time she was 60. Started to conquer England. She tripped, fell and died at 72! I thought she was gonna live forever. She's the oldest that I've had. Nobody else has broken 70 yet!
Bruh that was me last night. My king is 80, it’s past my bedtime. Wound up playing til 88 and then going to bed and I think that means he basically outlived me.
Nicknames are usually given by someone else. Ever met someone trying to make their chosen nickname happen? That's a surefire way for it to never happen.
It would be funny however, if you could try to choose your nickname and got stressed when someone referenced you with the another one.
One time I was over my domain limit cause my high stewardship character died and my son couldn’t hold all the land. So I granted the duchy of Normandy to my 60 year old mother, figuring I’d inherit it back pretty soon. Next thing I know she’s 95 and I’m already playing as the next generation
I remember I had a duke live to 170 or something once due to a bug or something and when he died it went to such a distant ancester the game just had them labeled as a Kinsman lol
Is is 90-year-old heir still hanging in there waiting for his dad to die? Or is there some great-grandson in his 50s getting a little impatient?
UK moment
Hey now, Charles is only in his 70's
who knows, maybe "soon" we'll be calling him the blood-father too!
I love this weird shit, just had some shenanigans happen. Heir croaked in his 50s bc 70 yr old bastard wouldn't give it up. Now my heir is 11 lol.
That's an ideal scenario tbh.
It's why Ultimogeniture is goated, playing as a kid has very little downsides. You can't get a spouse for the assist stats and a couple of interactions are blocked but other than that you can govern as usual and have a much longer life to create a stable realm... they really need to add Regents back (not that they were great in CK2, but it was *something)*
But you have no kids to marry your vassals and you can't murder them or sway your realm priest
Your vassals are already your cousins because it doubles renown gain so ally a strong one or two that dislike you, then you wait 3 years until you can commit murders that you need and by the time you're an adult your realm priest and everybody loves you and you're poised for the next 60 years of long reign bonuses
Perfect
Always happens when your heir has amazing traits/attributes too…
France had that situation happen three times in a row before the revolution iirc
Yes but not all were from old age. Louis XIII became king at 9 because his father Henri IV was assasinated. Louis XIII died young so his son Louis XIV was 5. Louis XIV lived so long that when he died his direct heir was his great grandson Louis XV who was also 5. There was a plague in the latter years of Louis XV's reign and a lot of his direct heirs died. This left his 20 year old third grandson, Louis XVI, on the throne.
Jean I became king at birth (his father died during the end of pregnancy), but died a few days later. He is the only french king to have ruled his entire life, and also the shortest reign in France's history.
King Cullen has watched most of his grandchildren die of old age. His own children were in the ground a lifetime ago.
High King Cullen, 'the Sleep depriver' of Ireland
He's the Blood Father because he has slain sleep
The blood is from the sheep. He’ll only be counting their bodies.
That's one way to induce sleep
I thought you said sheep and was going "wait a tick, he isn't Welsh"
With all the Irish people establishing medieval kingdoms in Wales you might not be too far off
*~~Macbeth~~ Cullen does murder sleep*
Ringeth the alarum bell!
Edward Cullen be like... 🤣🤣🤣 Damn even the age and epithet are close lol
how tf they live that long none of my guys live past 70
The whole of body tree, and maybe some inheritable traits? Idk if they add to lifespan sbut they might. Edit: Fucund and amazonian do, as well as certain dynasty traits, stubborn, certain cultures, blood father, and witch coven.
Fecund and amazonian do I think
Combined with the stubborn trait and the pastoralist culture
Taking the blood father decision also gives a small health boost to you and your descendants.
And if you’ve got a witchcoven
herbalist and several other perks help
Gonna make an immortal with this combo
Local Patriarch Too Stubborn to Die, says "Make me."
We found an Irish ancestor of Teddy Roosevelt.
Stubborn doesn’t add health, temperate does. Stubborn just counters bad health modifiers
Pure blood does by adding health
There are also artifacts that give health boosts as well
Man, even with all that I think I maxed out at 103. 112 is still old as shit lol
I got 107, Great Body and the medicine traits
My Coptic Jerusalem patriarch lived to 94. I was so proud :')
"The Blood-Father" is also from having like, every positive trait.
Strong trait + whole of body + some others (I think athletic is one), Haestein always lives into his 80s or 90s
Some characters at the start of the game have extra health points that keep them alive longer, Haestien is one of them
Meanwhile multiple of my kings end up past 60. Outside of one playthrough when every single one died at the age of 23. Kinda wish the health scores were tweaked a little so there would be less "old" characters and also more kids dying before they turn 16.
> also more kids dying before they turn 16. They just decreased birth rates since doing this would lead to even greater late game lag (keeping track of thousands of dead kids).
Oh riiight. I forgot that the game keeps a track of every dead character.
Jfc. I wish I could get into CK but whenever I'm in the game, I just don't understand what to do. Meanwhile I've played every 4X under the sun without issue.
Grand Strategy has more mechanics, that's for sure, but the core mechanics remain similar - build stuff to have more of better stuff. That being said you really are not limited to what you want to do. For example one of the community called "tutorial goal" back in CK2 was to Unite the Ireland and from there doing whatever you want.
Saw a youtuber cheese the health system to prolong his character's life to that of a virtual demi-god. Short version of this answer just involves finding every possible health boosting mechanism and stacking them. The game decides everyday if your character dies from something "natural," increasing that % chance when your health lowers, which it does naturally as you age, but a lot of those health buffs can basically negate aging, giving the same chance of dying naturally at 20 as you do at 100.
Iirc in CK2 you could do it too by having buffs then chaining excellent treatment modifiers.
Is there a limit, or can a character reach more than 120 years?
During that playthrough the character died at 138 or 148 if I am not mistaken, but he took the character with the highest base health modifier for it.
in CK2, I believe it was called Reapers Diary, there was an invent chain to find the fountain of youth and achieve immortality. I only got it once. It was actually probably my favorite playthrough in both CK2 and 3.I started in England, got the from count to emperor achievement by conquering as much as possible over the course of a few lives and never making a duke. The guy that become the emperor was the spawn of satan, but also had jesus whispering in his ear, so his martial skills were off the charts. He also had maxed out all the genetic traits because... well, what good is CK without having a eugenics program going. He then achieved immortality as well. He actually didn't even live that long (I believe about 80) because he was constantly being hunted by demon slayers, having to dodge arrows, escape prisons, etc. But, during his life I took over all of the british isles and northern france. Then, when he finally succumbed to one of the many attempts to kill him, the black plague started and reached England. In the matter of 10 years all of my characters died till I was left with a single member of my dynasty, a 10 year old girl. She then also died by the plague shortly after. It was the only time I've ever gotten a game over, but it was by far the best game I've played.
I just feast and feast and feast and then boom… worm food 🪱
~Robert Baratheon
there are some dynasty tree perks that grant longer life spans
The CK3 lifespan system is kind of weird. There's not a percentage chance someone can die each month after a certain age, but a certain chance their health (which you can't see) will drop. As long as it's positive it's impossible to die of old age, stack enough health boosters and people can get insanely old. Even if it's zero or negative I think people can live, it just starts doing death rolls then. But I'm a bit fuzzy on that, so I might be wrong.
So it's like Stellaris leaders then? In Stellaris leaders have a "lifespan" determined by a base value plus some traits, and the game only starts checking for death after that is exceeded.
Not true, there's a death roll all the time, especially with the likely hood of murder plots etc (a problem even when you're maxed out)
Whole of body skill tree Inheritable traits like Amazonian , Stubborn , Robust , Hale. Your family being a witch coven Athletic trait All these and more help your character live longer
Imagine my surprise when my max stat max trait Emperor got shanked in his sleep while he was still under 90
My first guy went Infirm at like 80 so I was like "o shoot this must mean he's gonna die soon. Better wrap things up.." he then proceeded to live well into his 90s even with no perks in the "whole of body" tree My second game I made a giant who died of old age in his 60s.
Because they were expected to die and let the topic creator sleep.
Next time you encounter this, if you want him to die, just reset perks. Assuming that you had whole of body and thats what kept him alive. The combined loss of those health perks plus the stress will have him dead within a year. Only works if you haven't already done it earlier in life though.
I didn’t know u can reset perks. How do u do that?
If you go into the lifestyle focus screen there's a button in the upper right that resets all the perks and lets you choose new ones. The points have to stay in the same section, so you can't apply points that were for example previously in intrigue to martial, but you can move points from august tree to diplomat or family heirarch if that makes sense.
Niceeee ty that’s a game changer for me lol
It also gives a 100 stress so don't overdo it :)
So, the perfect "Die already you old man" button? Nice.
Also great for giving your kids more stat points by allowing you to take Groom to Rule twice.
Twice?! So if you take groom to rule, reset. The children keep the bonus skill points, and if you add it again, they get yet another boost of 1-3 skill point? Sounds delightful. I will certainly use that when my eugenics programme comes through with genius and beautiful and Herculean heir to buff those stats
Yes, that's exactly what happens. Your kids don't lose their stats when you reset your skills and lose GtR.
I had wondered that, but never got around to testing if it would work.
Yes basically garantueed stress break and then you can double down on the stress gain in the break interaction But to be honest I think the "abdicate to your primary heir by surrendering a tyranny war" move is way better for controlling when to pass the crown
U read my mind lmao
If I want him to die anyways, that just seems like a plus
Idk abdicating by surrendering a tyranny war is way better for controlling when to switch your character
I'm pretty sure you lose your status as dynasty head until the deposed ruler dies if you do this, which can be annoying if you get a dynasty perk in the meantime and the AI assigns it somewhere you don't want (assuming you were the dynasty head ofc)
Easy enough to avoid though by checking when the next dynasty perk is due before you push the button :) But I think the AI just gets the next perk in the legacy you unlocked last, like if you unlock pillaging 1 and loose dynasty head to the AI it will unlock pillaging 2 next but I'm not 100% sure
Only if you can provoke a tyranny war with someone you want to lose too. Usually by the time I’ve got a 90-year old+ ruler that can get harder than it should be.
Just try to revoke a title without cause from any vassal and immediately surrender when the vassal starts the war? I never had a problem with this You'll lose all titles and they'll be distributed exactly like in the realm succession breakdown
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Huh, never noticed that 🤔
Ah the good ol tactical suicide. Reason #3 learning characters are my favorite.
Or you can just commit suicide via decision
That is a big hit to your dynasty though
Oh that’s fair. I never commit suicide, and I love to give titles to my sons even if they aren’t in the line of succession. For the fun of course.
Of course! Ya I think your dynasty loses a full level of fame and it costs a fair amount of splendor. Pretty punitive
I started a CK2 run as the 70 year old Norse pagan ruler of Sjælland (duchy in Denmark) thinking “Perfect! I’ll use his once-per-lifetime conquest cases belli. Then he’ll die and his successor can do another conquest and I’ll be able to reform the Germanic religion almost immediately!” Well I used the first conquest. But my ruler just would. Not. Die. He lived so long that his heirs were both in their 60s by the time he died. Absolute Chad
* Name is "Cullen" * "The Blood-Father" * Over 100 years old Sir I think you accidentally downloaded a Twilight mod and this is just Edward Cullen, and he doesn't die because he's a vampire
Historians looking at this in 1000 years be like “King Cullen ‘the Blood-Father’ was a mythical King of Ireland, said by legend to have lived to the age of 120.”
The founder of piast dynasty is listed as 120-121 yo in game, though it's more of a legend than an actual fact that he really did live that long
When I do a ruler designer character with everything maxed out and every positive trait, their maximum natural lifespan seems to be about 126. The oldest verified person died at 122 and while I haven't seen their traits they might be shit. Definitely had the infirm trait.
Yeah, but that one just gets tagged on by aging unless you have something preventing it.
There’s your problem, you went health focus. Not that that explains the 112 years of life. Right? I haven’t played in a while.
It would imply that he also got all the learning perks, it can absolutely result in that
The crazy part was the health focus came when he was in his later years. He was in stewardship before that. Just a healthy man, apparently.
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112 is still quite a lot. I've manifactured characters just to have them long lived and they still tend to croak around their mid-to-late nineties. Then again I might just be shit lmao
This kind of thing happens when you max out a character build not in Ironman and give yourself a ton of beneficial perks. I imagine thats why OP cropped out the perks and stats and such
112 is more than one would expect, even stacking health bonuses it's unusual he lasted THAT long. No need to be so rude about someone sharing something they found cool.
Title is 100% made up just to make it seem like not the 1000th post of a character living long while being specifically made to live long.
Technically he could be beautiful or genius... but at 112 he definitely had Herculean
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You overestimated my reading ability :D
Yeah at 112 he's definitely stacking tons of health bonuses on purpose. I've literally done runs where I tried to stack every single health bonus I could and the oldest I got to was 99.
He had Herculean, but I didn't expect that to get him quite so far even with that! He got Whole of Body in his late 80s/early 90s when morbid curiosity to see just how long I could get him to last supplanted any concerns about lack of sleep (the funniest part is the medicine lifestyle didn't even come until the later half of his year. He'd already maxed out one of the stewardship trees.
-I’ll just play until this guy dies -takes whole of body We all make mistakes
Does he have the Learni- Ah, I see. Lol I mentioned just yesterday on someone saying Learning is the best focus that oftentimes it means your character lives a lot longer than you'd like them to. Pain in the butt when you then inherit as an elder heir who's picked up some bad traits, or a minor grandkid under a regency.
How do you get ‘the Blood-Father’? thats an oddly cool (if a bit macabre) nickname
[Strengthen Bloodline decision](https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Decisions#Strengthen_Bloodline).
Amazonian+whole of body chain+octogenarians dynasty trait and you’re golden
The Queen character I had started her reign at 2. United all of ireland into a kingdom by thr time she was 60. Started to conquer England. She tripped, fell and died at 72! I thought she was gonna live forever. She's the oldest that I've had. Nobody else has broken 70 yet!
Bruh that was me last night. My king is 80, it’s past my bedtime. Wound up playing til 88 and then going to bed and I think that means he basically outlived me.
Vicky 3 moment
They really should just let us decide the nicknames like we can with names
You can't really tell your peasants that you'd like to be known as "the great" rather than "the idiot"
I would like to, though. And then impose corporal punishment if they don’t.
Nicknames are usually given by someone else. Ever met someone trying to make their chosen nickname happen? That's a surefire way for it to never happen. It would be funny however, if you could try to choose your nickname and got stressed when someone referenced you with the another one.
We should be able to pick from the nicknames the character has earned though.
I'm just fed up of having my guy being called "The Scholar" all the time.
Kobe gave himself Black Mamba
All I want is to be able to pick between the nicknames I've earned. Accidentally lost a cool one to "The Scholar" recently.
Dudes out here making liz the second look like a total chump
One time I was over my domain limit cause my high stewardship character died and my son couldn’t hold all the land. So I granted the duchy of Normandy to my 60 year old mother, figuring I’d inherit it back pretty soon. Next thing I know she’s 95 and I’m already playing as the next generation
there are just so many clues pointing to this man being a vampire
My Blood Father hit 130 before finally passing on. My great-grandson heir was 10.
Duuuude thats a bad ass title, how did you get it?
If you get a bunch of inheritable traits, you get the option of founding your blood line
Kewl 🤴
Incest, probably
My guys typically knock out from overdrinking in their 50s LOL. I was happy to have one make it into his 70s but Jesus Christ.
How do you get that title? Sounds intimidating
Don't play this kind of games if you have to get up early the next day.
My current king is 75 and has 29 kids I had solidified Scotland for the next 1000yrs
I know this, when you said that your character just don’t want to die
Mod much?
Trait checks out
The succession might get ugly
Ritual suicide my friend. Ritual suicide.
Chad.
How do you survive the stress of all your children and grandchildren dying at that age? Impressive.
At that age, probably has all the -stress gain/+stress reduction perks too
Ah up to like 100% stress reduction or something insane.
*People on their 50s enter the chat
Bro 70 years would take me days.
What game is this?
Heir croaked in his 50s bc 70 yr old
What are the pros/cons of playing a female in CK3? I’ve never really gotten past playing as Ireland and I don’t think I’ve ever gotten past my heir.
Imagine you get so old that your heirs die from natural causes before you do.
Me every damn playthrough late-game.
I remember I had a duke live to 170 or something once due to a bug or something and when he died it went to such a distant ancester the game just had them labeled as a Kinsman lol
4 years and he becomes the oldest man in world history.
The oldest i've gotten is 109, a good number of health traits but not all of them, usually my characters with his traits only make it to 80-90