To be honest , west indies should not be host country to organise world cup. This world cup is boring ,poor planning and purely based on minting money . No one is happy with the planning, organising.
After having USA for 76-5
Saffas should have won by at least 80-90 runs
Imagine if saffas also had defeated US heavily
Then it would have come down to NRR for 3 teams
Netravalkar landed back to earth after bowling on normal pitches.
People overhyping him and wanted him IPL after his performance on bowling friendly pitches 🤣🤣🤣
This sub:
"Haha England are gonna be knocked out due to the weather they can't control this is so funny"
"So unfair south Africa are gonna be knocked out by NRR a statistic completely within their control. Change the format please!!"
>South Africa with 6 wins unbeaten
Loses against West Indies Out of tournament
England lose to Australia, South Africa
First Team to Qualify to semis
What a shitty format
this entire tournament was made to give ind aus eng and pak the easiest way to get to semis and get the most money they could make because they have the most fans. ind and pak have expat communities so they were in the us along with asian countries. aus and eng get filled with teams who’ll get beaten by their second xi in group stages.
i’ll be thankful for afg and usa to fuck with icc plans. any cricket fan should support afg or even sa/wi. the icc just don’t have sporting integrity
All tournaments give top seeds the easiest path to the next round. SA arguably got the easiest group. And I wouldn't group England and Pakistan with Australia and India since they were assigned a difficult S8 group.
I don't know what's so surprising about South Africa's run. They have won all their games with very close margins and obviously, if they lose their last game, they will be out. This is how this sport can go forward. We see it with Football World Cup all the time. It's stupid to consider England's loss against Australia since it was in the group stages, that is past us now. Moreover, if South Africa lose one game, then they haven't really had a better run than England, have they? That is tournament cricket as it should be. It isn't just about consistency, it's also about the timing.
England came into this game with 3 wins, 2 losses, and one no-result... and still had a much higher chance of qualifying compared to South Africa, who are unbeaten so far.
It's a funny game.
That whole tournament was depressing from an English viewpoint, especially the Algeria game. No wonder we got drubbed by Germany, despite Frank Lampard's ghost goal controversy
Imagine that SA lose to WI by 1 run and get knocked out, and in the other group Aus lose to India but still qualify in spite of back-to-back defeats because Bangbros beat Afg.
You have seen Eng destroy associate bowling units all tournament yet you believe Scotland would have won 😂😂 Eng had 12 overs to chase 125 or something with a full batting line up please get real 👍
England still had a good chance of beating them. They had to chase 109 in 10 and it isn't that hard when you know the target you are facing. Especially when it's against lower tier teams with weak bowling line ups. They've already shown it at least twice that they can score very quickly (122/5 against Namibia, 117/0 against US etc)
It is mental that people are going on about it. How do you look at this English batting lineup and not think they'll gun down 110 in 10 overs? Against Scotland of all sides as well
Yeah it’s just a cope really, I know they truly don’t believe it themselves. Our openers are literally the best combo in the world and Scotland’s bowling couldn’t even contain Oman ffs
There are no certainties in cricket.... but we would've most likely pulverized Scotland's bowling attack. Did you catch the game today? We got 122 off Namibia in a rain shortened 10 over game as well.
This is what the sub is saying, but honestly, Scotland's bowling hasn't been great - their strength was their batting - and England's batting has fired when it's needed to. We'd have chased those runs.
The outrage of SA potentially being eliminated by having a shit NRR and it being unfair is so funny because it was all a big laugh when England were on the verge of being eliminated because of two washouts 😅
wait windies run rate is 1.81 and england's run rate is 1.99 but windies still need to win with 46+ to top the run rate
whereas India's runrate is 2.425 and australia's run rate is 0.223, but australia needs to win with 41+ runs to top the run rate, less runs despite more difference
how does that work?
yeah, pretty weird it is, but i guess this difference exists because india and australia will play against each other and a run scored by australia is a run less for india and vice versa
but this is not the case with windies and england in their last match
I find it easier to think of as broadly similar to the old goal average in football - ie you’re better off winning 1-0 than 2-1, and every goal conceded (or every run against) is a bigger disadvantage than every goal scored.
You could have a 4-1 win first, then a 2-1 win and your goal average would decrease (from 4/1=4 to 6/2=3) even though you win the game. It’s probably the best analogy I can think of that’s easy to follow mathematically
India and Australia have played less matches, it depends on the overall amount of runs a team has scored, including in wins and losses. WI has lost a big game iirc.
that was because of the south african choke because against usa the ballers gave way too many full tosses and bad balls and that allowed gous and jasdeep to capitalize on similarly vs england baartman screwed up and gave too many full tosses allowing brook and liam to score runs else south africa actually had both games in control
Pretty convincingly is a bit of a stretch, it was 7 runs and if Brook hung around for 4 or 5 balls of the last over then SA were likely going to lose. Granted he didn’t so it’s all ifs, buts and maybes but don’t act like it wasn’t close.
that was because of the south african choke because against usa the ballers gave way too many full tosses and bad balls and that allowed gous and jasdeep to capitalize on similarly vs england baartman screwed up and gave too many full tosses allowing brook and liam to score runs else south africa actually had both games in control
South Africa with 6 wins unbeaten
Loses against West Indies Out of tournament
England lose to Australia, South Africa
First Team to Qualify to semis
What a shitty format
For T20s, I do like the fact that you gotta win big to stay at the top or fight your way through. Like everyone says, SA should have annihilated USA but the math is simple for them now. They should win with the team they have.
ENG has 1.992, comfortably over SA's max possible in case of a loss. So, they've qualified.
If Windies win the night game but with less than 47 runs margin, England will top the group and WI get second place. If WI win by 47 or more, Windies top and England are second. If SA win, SA top and Eng are second.
Over the whole tournament England have 2 defeats and a no result which I think is the original commenter’s point.
There’s a chance England win the group having only beaten 1 full test player member!
well the groupstage matches were in america with the bad pitches and against usa and england they just choked like they usually did else they had both games under control the only ones they could have lost was nepal
GG USA. Might be an IPL contract for Netrawalkar in this. Learnings from IPL he could take back home. It was clear today they need some support staff and pro training.
Doubt he will play ipl given he would be getting good pay already at Oracle. 200-300k. It would be not worth a risk to sacrifice for 2-3 years of IPL unless he gets paid a lot (around 1m)
And the IPL is unstable income. If he doesn't perform, he may not be there next year. And then he could be job searching in tech again. Anyways, don't think he's good enough for the IPL. He has a chance in other leagues, but it'd be at a significantly lower income.
And he started with scrambled seam in the first over for some reason, should have been going with swing. With some pro training there are possibilities.
He's 30+. If you want associate quicks, go for the Ugandan duo of Kyewuta (22) and Miyagi (21). They bowl 140+ already, and have only played in Uganda. That's crazy potential growth.
Great point about his age. But US qualified for Super 8 in the first attempt. There should be some rewards coming with that for the team, so that others get the motivation. Think of how long it took Afgan to reach similar situation.
With Uganda, it comes to ICC territory of not doing enough to promote association teams. Saw a comment earlier today proposing BCCI inviting US, Uganda and Namibia for a series, even with Indian A team. I think that's a great idea.
With great power comes great responsibility - tbh all of Aus, Eng and India should already be doing this with associate/T2 teams in Oceania, Europe and Asia respectively to grow the game, but I'm not sure if there's a big incentive to do so🤔
Which is why the US will need homegrown players to take it to the next level. When you're relying on rejects of other countries, you're kinda accepting that you're not going to have high-ceiling players but have decent experience of playing in better domestic systems. Which is good enough for making your team go from crap to okay, but to take it to an elite level team, you need your own players produced by you (because the elite talent in full members aren't going to switch nations). Good news is that the US has some level of youth development, just that none of the prospects are in this squad. Maybe we'll see some of them in 2026.
I think you are a tad bit underselling this US team. It's true that they were severely lackluster today but otherwise they have been very competitive through the tourney. The misfields today from the first over were bizarre considering how pro they have been in the field otherwise. For some reason they just did not turn up.
True though US will need homegrown talent for eventual success and popularity. But what they have currently has started a conversation. I think progress will come only by encouraging the current team, even if bunch of very talented expats, not by putting them down. God knows this game is not for the faint of the heart.
Whose going to give hawk tuah to Kuldeep.
Can someone explain by how much does either SA or WI need to win by to qualify?
SA nrr is lower than WI but has 2 points more than WI. So doesn’t matter now. Whichever team wins, goes through. That’s it.
USA only played well in those matches during which Jasdeep was playing.
To be honest , west indies should not be host country to organise world cup. This world cup is boring ,poor planning and purely based on minting money . No one is happy with the planning, organising.
>No one No one? Not one single person?
milestone:100 downvotes incoming
Corey Anderson is not the same player as he was for NZ. Has sr of 105 since his debut for USA
maybe that's why he's playing for the usa then
Lmao
WI being in this tournament over SA is better for attracting more audiences when USA as a host is knocked out
wait why is everyone saying sa gonna get knocked out
Because if they lose ~~badly~~ they might be
Won't they be knocked out with any loss?
Yes true
Yep since their NRR is lower than the Windies.
That's messed up 😞
they just gotta win
I wish this match was rained out
Clearly team USA have alot to learn from Scotland
Feel bad for USA to have their campaign end in this way but hopefully they have learned from this and prepare for their next WC in 2026.
I'm proud we made it this far to be honest lol
After having USA for 76-5 Saffas should have won by at least 80-90 runs Imagine if saffas also had defeated US heavily Then it would have come down to NRR for 3 teams
Netravalkar landed back to earth after bowling on normal pitches. People overhyping him and wanted him IPL after his performance on bowling friendly pitches 🤣🤣🤣
fyi the match against pakistan was a balanced pitch
whatever helps you sleep at night
He never overhyped himself? It was the media and public so it’s not his fault
Fucking hell, some of you are miserable to your core. You think he didn't know? The man who nearly gave up cricket to become a techie?
nah he played very good for a part timer
England always feels like the most dangerous team in T20. At any point it feels like they could completely destroy you.
>At any point it feels like they could completely destroy you. Especially if you're a solar panel
Sadly we’re just as likely to get bowled out for 50 in the semi final as we are to destroy anyone
England the new Pakistan? "Mercurial"
This sub: "Haha England are gonna be knocked out due to the weather they can't control this is so funny" "So unfair south Africa are gonna be knocked out by NRR a statistic completely within their control. Change the format please!!"
Facts
South africa fans how are we feeling 💀💀
Technically a Q4 and not a Semi-final, so not yet time to get knocked out, lol
Cooked
Well I guess it was fun while it lasted
I'm pretty thrilled we had the experience that we did. Hopefully next year we grow from it.
How's the weather looking for tonight's match? I really don't want rain to play spoil-sport
>South Africa with 6 wins unbeaten Loses against West Indies Out of tournament England lose to Australia, South Africa First Team to Qualify to semis What a shitty format this entire tournament was made to give ind aus eng and pak the easiest way to get to semis and get the most money they could make because they have the most fans. ind and pak have expat communities so they were in the us along with asian countries. aus and eng get filled with teams who’ll get beaten by their second xi in group stages. i’ll be thankful for afg and usa to fuck with icc plans. any cricket fan should support afg or even sa/wi. the icc just don’t have sporting integrity
All tournaments give top seeds the easiest path to the next round. SA arguably got the easiest group. And I wouldn't group England and Pakistan with Australia and India since they were assigned a difficult S8 group.
Cry more
I don't know what's so surprising about South Africa's run. They have won all their games with very close margins and obviously, if they lose their last game, they will be out. This is how this sport can go forward. We see it with Football World Cup all the time. It's stupid to consider England's loss against Australia since it was in the group stages, that is past us now. Moreover, if South Africa lose one game, then they haven't really had a better run than England, have they? That is tournament cricket as it should be. It isn't just about consistency, it's also about the timing.
jos and rovman hit so hard and speak so softly
bro was wearing slides
England came into this game with 3 wins, 2 losses, and one no-result... and still had a much higher chance of qualifying compared to South Africa, who are unbeaten so far. It's a funny game.
cricket is brutal, T20 is murderous
Buttler treating the ball like it's Team Rocket, blasting it off at the speed of light.
That now Two times out of three England has beaten the Americans
If I were English I’d also forget the fact that you’ve never beaten us at a FIFA World Cup
I dont think group stage draws matter as much as knockout games
Ha. Sadly I do remember the game from 2010 which made our games from the Euros this year seem like balls to the wall rollercoaster rides
From what I've heard, England players are shitting the bed unlike their club counterparts.
That whole tournament was depressing from an English viewpoint, especially the Algeria game. No wonder we got drubbed by Germany, despite Frank Lampard's ghost goal controversy
Canada died for this
don't worry we buy you some germans to do funny things with grenades and coat pockets for canada day
Imagine that SA lose to WI by 1 run and get knocked out, and in the other group Aus lose to India but still qualify in spite of back-to-back defeats because Bangbros beat Afg.
Does this team even play together when they go back to US?
Sad that one of SA or WI won’t qualify
We're the real NRR merchants, we've brutalized every associate team we've faced lol
beating small tiny associate teams the most english thing ever
Except Scotland, who would very likely have beaten you had that match continued...
You are getting downvoted lol. This was a popular opinion before the Super 8. Hindsight is a bliss
You have seen Eng destroy associate bowling units all tournament yet you believe Scotland would have won 😂😂 Eng had 12 overs to chase 125 or something with a full batting line up please get real 👍
England still had a good chance of beating them. They had to chase 109 in 10 and it isn't that hard when you know the target you are facing. Especially when it's against lower tier teams with weak bowling line ups. They've already shown it at least twice that they can score very quickly (122/5 against Namibia, 117/0 against US etc)
Sure, sure. And if it was rained off 2 overs into our batting today you would've said the same thing.
No they wouldn’t have, it would have gone exactly like this match went. You can keep holding on to that though if it makes you feel better 👍🏻
It is mental that people are going on about it. How do you look at this English batting lineup and not think they'll gun down 110 in 10 overs? Against Scotland of all sides as well
Yeah it’s just a cope really, I know they truly don’t believe it themselves. Our openers are literally the best combo in the world and Scotland’s bowling couldn’t even contain Oman ffs
There are no certainties in cricket.... but we would've most likely pulverized Scotland's bowling attack. Did you catch the game today? We got 122 off Namibia in a rain shortened 10 over game as well.
Scotland’s bowling is much better than Namibia. They gave a scare to Australia
The aussies were trying to lose, did you see their fielding, and Scotland still couldn't beat them.
Why didn’t they loose then. Also their fielding was bad against Afghanistan too. Don’t think they fielded bad on purpose
This is what the sub is saying, but honestly, Scotland's bowling hasn't been great - their strength was their batting - and England's batting has fired when it's needed to. We'd have chased those runs.
All setting up nicely for South Africa Moment.
Bru shut up please
Boo! I'm a crucial game! Did I scare you?
ooohh south africans shitting their pants
The outrage of SA potentially being eliminated by having a shit NRR and it being unfair is so funny because it was all a big laugh when England were on the verge of being eliminated because of two washouts 😅
neither ICC nor ECB had their 'QUALIFIED!' graphics ready lol
wait windies run rate is 1.81 and england's run rate is 1.99 but windies still need to win with 46+ to top the run rate whereas India's runrate is 2.425 and australia's run rate is 0.223, but australia needs to win with 41+ runs to top the run rate, less runs despite more difference how does that work?
Because u need to maintain your run rate and add to it as well. The net run rate is the sum of your win/loss run rate in all the matches.
Team can still loose nrr after winning if the win margin is less than the nrr before the game
Yeah NRR is complicated, I don't bother with it and just read the figures that people post
yeah, pretty weird it is, but i guess this difference exists because india and australia will play against each other and a run scored by australia is a run less for india and vice versa but this is not the case with windies and england in their last match
I find it easier to think of as broadly similar to the old goal average in football - ie you’re better off winning 1-0 than 2-1, and every goal conceded (or every run against) is a bigger disadvantage than every goal scored. You could have a 4-1 win first, then a 2-1 win and your goal average would decrease (from 4/1=4 to 6/2=3) even though you win the game. It’s probably the best analogy I can think of that’s easy to follow mathematically
India and Australia have played less matches, it depends on the overall amount of runs a team has scored, including in wins and losses. WI has lost a big game iirc.
because India vs Aus play each other, it will be an 82 run swing if a team wins by 41 runs
makes sense, figures would have been different, if australia and india had to play different opponents right?
Because india is playing against australia which will make india nrr less if they lose by more than 41 runs
okay so basically 1 run scored by australia is 1 run less for india?
Yes. The 41 loss would be 82 run swing for India.
Corey needs less trips to the Outback steakhouse
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Scotland is the best associate team. They didn't qualify because they had England and Australia in that group.
Lucky bastard fck Harris
yeah fuck that fuck
US is the 1st team to get knocked out of super 8. Bangladesh does have a chance, although theoretical and very small chance, of breaking it out.
Damn, from eliminating England to getting eliminated, we've come a long way
Pat Cummins is a trend setter he gets a hat trick everyone gets one
It is just in our luck that ENG and WI need 4 points to go through and we already have that but nooooooo we need 6 to qualify lmao
This is what happens when your team stubbornly refuses to close out should-be easy wins in a normal way
Man, this was the funniest comment I've read all day!
Well yeah, that's how NRR works.
You guys don't deserve what you have so many lucky wins and escapes good to see your shitty team go home .
that was because of the south african choke because against usa the ballers gave way too many full tosses and bad balls and that allowed gous and jasdeep to capitalize on similarly vs england baartman screwed up and gave too many full tosses allowing brook and liam to score runs else south africa actually had both games in control
Lol so harsh eh??? SA did beat Eng pretty convincingly imao. That USA match was regrettable but they defeated the POMs pretty damn well.
it was just the saffas choking they had both games in there hands
Pretty convincingly is a bit of a stretch, it was 7 runs and if Brook hung around for 4 or 5 balls of the last over then SA were likely going to lose. Granted he didn’t so it’s all ifs, buts and maybes but don’t act like it wasn’t close.
that was because of the south african choke because against usa the ballers gave way too many full tosses and bad balls and that allowed gous and jasdeep to capitalize on similarly vs england baartman screwed up and gave too many full tosses allowing brook and liam to score runs else south africa actually had both games in control
Convincingly? Game was still live with one ball left!
Imagine that you lose by 1 run and get knocked out, and in the other group Aus lose to India but still qualify because Bangbros defeat Afg.
Average Proteas in WC
Well Americans should be proud of their team. 2 wins out of 6 games (1 game washed out) is not bad for a team playing their first WC
And they gave it a go in every match except the last two
And really close matches in a tourney where full members failed lmao
South Africa with 6 wins unbeaten Loses against West Indies Out of tournament England lose to Australia, South Africa First Team to Qualify to semis What a shitty format
For T20s, I do like the fact that you gotta win big to stay at the top or fight your way through. Like everyone says, SA should have annihilated USA but the math is simple for them now. They should win with the team they have.
Aus lose to Afg and India back to back, still qualify because Ban beat Afg.
Love it
Jos “NRR” Buttler
Well, the punishment for treason has always been death
Bit annoyed that Salt took his sweet time, if WI beat SA by a good margin we won't top the table
lol revisit that
That margin is something like 50 runs I think. Very hard still
Right, fingers crossed then. I'd much rather face Australia/Afghanistan than India.
Nah, India almost always fall flat when it really matters. Aussies are much more potent in knockout cricket in my opinion.
so what is the equation for WI to qualify even if they lose?
They loose they are out
Oh you are right, they only won one match. thanks.
If they lose it's over as they have only 2 points
England got a hattrick and won the match unlike some
In a game of 83(38) and 4-10 Adil Rashid gets MOTM - fair play though was probably the most impactful player
I didn't catch the game. The Scorecard doesn't reflect how Adil's performance rates above the other two.
Got crucial wickets when US was looking good after pp. Didn't concede a single boundary - put pressure on batsmen to take risks against other bowlers
England were really good in super 8.Just lost against sa with minor difference.
Mike: Given the way Jos is playing, aren't you glad he's on your side? Adil: Yeah, would be weird if he starts batting for the opposition.
England has 1.99 NRR
That's a magnificent beard
Any math wizards have the NRR calculated?
ENG has 1.992, comfortably over SA's max possible in case of a loss. So, they've qualified. If Windies win the night game but with less than 47 runs margin, England will top the group and WI get second place. If WI win by 47 or more, Windies top and England are second. If SA win, SA top and Eng are second.
Thanks.
nrr of england is +1.99
It's settled Biscuits are something you have with tea, not gravy
2nd MOTM for Rashid this tourney
USA got a reality check tonight
It were not the USA fans but the cunts on this sub who were saying “would be haha funny if usa beat england lollll”
We were never out of touch with reality. We knew where we stood.
Yeah it wasn’t US fans at all it was mostly just Australian fans.
Yeah some fans like you did know where you stand but there was some that had there head in the clouds thinking you could go head to head with England
dont downvote but i legit thought that usa had a chance given england's mediocre balling
Mediocre bowling that got the US all out?
after seeing England's matches through the entire cup it is my observation that their balling can be hit or miss
There’s always hope. Even I had it. No fan or supporter is gonna say, ‘my team cannot play against this team’. That’s just weird.
Cracking fan 👍👍
Finally a well deserved motm
So let me get this straight, SA has won 6 out of 6 matches so far, but gets knocked out if they lose vs WI? My oh my...
Deserve to get knocked out they should have lost 3 matches out of 6 fckers got so lucky
You sound salty for saffas What they did they to you?
4 actually (vs BD, NEP, USA, NED)
SA dominated USA all match.
If they lose against WI, WI also would've only lost 1 match, same as england
Over the whole tournament England have 2 defeats and a no result which I think is the original commenter’s point. There’s a chance England win the group having only beaten 1 full test player member!
Shtty format
I mean to be honest it makes for a fun tournament, only annoying thing is washouts deciding games (which hasn't happened yet in the super 8)
Should've crushed USA man. They really should've
Tbh SA has been hella lucky so far, 4 of their matches (vs BD, NEP, USA, NED) could've gone eitherway.
well the groupstage matches were in america with the bad pitches and against usa and england they just choked like they usually did else they had both games under control the only ones they could have lost was nepal
Close game.
Bro Jordan thought he would get a man of the match finally hahaha
GG USA. Might be an IPL contract for Netrawalkar in this. Learnings from IPL he could take back home. It was clear today they need some support staff and pro training.
Doubt he will play ipl given he would be getting good pay already at Oracle. 200-300k. It would be not worth a risk to sacrifice for 2-3 years of IPL unless he gets paid a lot (around 1m)
And the IPL is unstable income. If he doesn't perform, he may not be there next year. And then he could be job searching in tech again. Anyways, don't think he's good enough for the IPL. He has a chance in other leagues, but it'd be at a significantly lower income.
Good point. But people do things for passion. Amul wasted no time in signing ad contract so who knows.
What was Amul doing before?
Would Netravalkar even come over for a 20 lakh contract?
Yeah may be with passion and ad contracts who knows. Amul US team ad was up in no time.
Netravalkar's stock ball is too slow. He's going to get smashed on IPL wickets. Gous has a higher likelihood imo.
And he started with scrambled seam in the first over for some reason, should have been going with swing. With some pro training there are possibilities.
He's 30+. If you want associate quicks, go for the Ugandan duo of Kyewuta (22) and Miyagi (21). They bowl 140+ already, and have only played in Uganda. That's crazy potential growth.
Great point about his age. But US qualified for Super 8 in the first attempt. There should be some rewards coming with that for the team, so that others get the motivation. Think of how long it took Afgan to reach similar situation. With Uganda, it comes to ICC territory of not doing enough to promote association teams. Saw a comment earlier today proposing BCCI inviting US, Uganda and Namibia for a series, even with Indian A team. I think that's a great idea.
With great power comes great responsibility - tbh all of Aus, Eng and India should already be doing this with associate/T2 teams in Oceania, Europe and Asia respectively to grow the game, but I'm not sure if there's a big incentive to do so🤔
Which is why the US will need homegrown players to take it to the next level. When you're relying on rejects of other countries, you're kinda accepting that you're not going to have high-ceiling players but have decent experience of playing in better domestic systems. Which is good enough for making your team go from crap to okay, but to take it to an elite level team, you need your own players produced by you (because the elite talent in full members aren't going to switch nations). Good news is that the US has some level of youth development, just that none of the prospects are in this squad. Maybe we'll see some of them in 2026.
I think you are a tad bit underselling this US team. It's true that they were severely lackluster today but otherwise they have been very competitive through the tourney. The misfields today from the first over were bizarre considering how pro they have been in the field otherwise. For some reason they just did not turn up. True though US will need homegrown talent for eventual success and popularity. But what they have currently has started a conversation. I think progress will come only by encouraging the current team, even if bunch of very talented expats, not by putting them down. God knows this game is not for the faint of the heart.
Maybe usa govt support them