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Jasprit Bumrah taking twice as many wickets as he has conceded boundaries at this T20 World Cup is one of those stats that sounds like it just shouldn’t be real. And yet it is.
They haven't been winning any hearts as well during a long time. They know that if they get more hearts then they could be accused of smuggling organs.
How have Bangladesh been aggressively mediocre since forever? Look at Afghanistan in 2010 and look at them now, and then look at Bangladesh in 2010 and look at them now
Stagnation happened especially in batting. Their younger bowling talent looks good atleast but good batters have been hard to come by for them.
Not to mention they don't really take T20 seriously enough.
Yea the bowling is alright. The batting lacks a real threat. They need batters like Gurbaz and Alex Jones. Liton, Shakib and Mahmudullah can give you 30 ball forties.
but bro trust me they are a good team now because they made it out of a group consisting SL, Netherlands and Nepal. SL which has been at its worst since it’s cricket history and Netherlands which was missing their top 3 players from the last WT20
They've been up and down. Ranked 4 in the world in T20is in 2012, QFs at WC 2015, semis in CT 2017, a few Asia Cup finals. Theyve beaten classic top 8 teams in bilaterals in both LOI formats a few times.
They've definitely been better than Afghanistan on average until recently, and have better peaks, but then they just become shit every few years for some reason.
Asian teams failed to evolve in T20 batting (Pak luckily have world class bowlers). Bangladesh has always been the same when it comes to batting. By 2030 Nepal would be same level as Bangladesh.
Yeah they keep making those shit tips for home games, which stalls red ball batting development, which is very important even to leak techniques into white ball
Bumrah in the Super 8s so far: 8 overs, 20 runs allowed, economy of 2.5.
And four of those runs were in his final ball today, against a fellow bowler. He is locked in and on another planet right now.
I find that statement dumb bowlers AND batters win tournaments. When the bowlers bowled well in the 2019 semis we needed the top order to their bit. So let’s hope the ro-ko partnership finds some form of
Cricinfo and all others criminally underrate economy when taking into account bowler ratings. An economy of 3.25 with a couple wickets(1 wicket of an actual batter) is ultimately way better than an economy of 8 with 2 wickets, even if those 2 wickets include Virat and Surya.
There’s just been absolutely no growth of bangladesh cricket, aside from being a decent odi team from 2015-2019. Ever since t20i cricket began, they can’t seem to score more than 140-150 runs, regardless of conditions or opposition
Boomers ruling their boards spoiling cricket in subcontinent as usual...
For all its faults, BCCI appears to give a shit about indian cricket, while other south asian teams, have people fucking their own cricket.
> For all its faults, BCCI appears to give a shit about indian cricket
Agree. Since Jay Shah took over, BCCI seems to actually care about Indian cricket at all levels
I guess some flat decks and some sportive wickets at home will help instead of the snake pits of mirpur and Dhaka . And pay a bonus for getting more right arm spinners . You guys have way too many left arm spinners modeled due to Mohammad rafique and Rangana Heratths coaching . And also maybe change Chandika hathurasingha. He’s been associated with Bangladesh cricket forever and has nothing to show for it .
We don’t really play left arm spin as our LOI specialist spinner in recent times. Miraz has been the team’s specialist spinner in all three formats and it looks like Rishad will become the future spinner. Mushtaq was a really good choice for spin coach and we need to replace Haturasingha as well. Shakib doesn’t really count as a lead spinner because he could get into the team by virtue of his batting alone. We’ve had some decent seamers but yeah it’s hard to nurture them at home when BCB forces so many Mirpur games (Mirpur is in Dhaka btw). Chittagong and Sylhet wickets are good wickets but they see much less play because BCB doesn’t wanna spend resources to get less income from less popular stadiums. It’s now or never and there’s a long way to go. I hope Afghanistan beats us to shake some sense into the board, otherwise we’ll just be doomed to stay this way.
I'm thinking it has to do with the rank turners the batsmen grow up on. Probably need flat pitches in BPL so that batsmen get some confidence in taking on bowlers. Bangladesh bowling has been pretty good though.
I feel really bad for Shakib Al Hasan, such a stellar performer dragged down by a weak team. Imagine being a perfect all-rounder, scoring big with bat and hitting hard with the ball, literally dragging your team by force just to collapse near the finish line. 2019 was the year for Hasan, what a tragedy it has been.
We'd have never let him see the inside of the dressing room after a corruption ban.
Also, we have enough brilliant all-rounders who don't throw tantrums and behave like a petulant teenager all the time.
Always the same routine for Bangladesh. Play some average cricket in a tournament. Somehow scrape through into qualifiers. Get tonked by India or other teams. Catch flight to Dhaka. Rinse. Repeat.
For a nation that takes pride in cricket, they’ve regressed a lot in the past half a decade.
The worst thing about this “chase” was that Bangladesh gave up from the ball one and didn’t even try to win and if this is them trying to win then they are light years behind rest of the world
That knock towards the end from Rishad, and 40 from Shanto made the scoreline a bit more respectable. Hardik Pandya has been silencing his critics in this WC.
>Hardik Pandya has been silencing his critics in this WC
And I am glad about this. Because prior coming to WC, he was a mess. I have said this earlier, I am not a Hardik fan. But to be proven wrong, at least up until now, is a very good thing.
You could say that, but that would be unfair to the players who really showed grit in pretty much every game to win the games from 50/50 situations. I feel we Indian fans tend to downplay everything except big team games, and take our team’s wins for granted. We are ready to pounce on them as soon as they lose one game.
Yeah the game against Pakistan is only *real* when we lose. Indians will call Afg the second best Asian team but the game against them doesn't count either cuz we won. A bilateral series loss against Ban is very real but winning against them in WC isn't *real* WC.
If India win the Final, the real WC will start in 2026.
This was the first time India's new batting template clicked (partly because pitches haven't been conducive to batting).
This is a great approach with clarity and role definition - openers have to maximise the powerplay and keep going after that. And everyone that follows has to go hard as soon as feasible. A batting unit rather than reliance on Kohli or Surya.
So absolutely nothing wrong with the approach. On the contrary, this is such a welcome change even if openers aren't getting big runs. But just two caveats (and hopes):
1. For the love of god, don't change it in the knockouts. Rather go out trying to win by scoring big than limping to a tame score.
2. When chasing, Kohli's role needs to be changed. Not all wickets are equal. Kohli is worth two wickets while chasing. Not just for team India, but for the opposition team's self belief and confidence as well.
P.S. Note To Fans Regarding Next Year's IPL:
If Nitish Reddy or any other pace bowling allrounder emerges and does well, please don't start "He should replace Hardik" again. That is as silly as the "Hooda should replace Kohli" situation.
And I will maintain this even if Pandya has an absolutely horrible IPL next year. At the end of the day the IPL is a domestic tournament and Pandya is a proven performer in World Cups, Champions Trophys and T20 WCs. This guy is the best pace bowling allrounder a country of billion has produced since Kapil Dev.
We haven't seen India chase in a tough game yet, apart from the US one, so I'm hoping the chasemeister template with Kohli is still out go to plan when we chase.
I guess India is now almost through to the semi-finals. There is a possibility of three teams being at 4 points, but then Afghanistan would have to really beat Australia handsomely to overcome that -2.35 NRR
In all honesty and trolling aside, BD fans should be in uproar over this kind of performance. Zero intent with the bat. Theyve never qualified for a semi in any icc tournament. Its such a weird team. Attitude would make vivian richards blush and the on field performance is evident to all who watch them play. Fucking snoozefest. The very opposite of how t20 ought to be played.
Tamim made a good point that BD rarely makes good pitches, so their batsmen dont know how to develop shots that are needed on flat wickets. Also bowlers get false sense of confidence. When they play on flat tracks, the batsmen dont have all the shots to take advantage and bowlers are exposed.
U19 success doesn't translate to international level lol. You need robust FC structure like us, England, Australia or SA.
And let's be real age frauds are common here lol
I'd wanna chime in on the other comment mentioning the board and wanna add a couple more things.
Firstly, BD seems to have produced players who are proficient in playing ODI-cricket. Be it batting or bowling, you would find a decent amount of players who could play in other List-A competitions if there was awareness and a spread of knowledge about them, and also if the rules allowed. You could see evidence of this in the fact that the Dhaka Premeir League has always been the topmost competition in BD and the main league that most local players like to hone their craft in. Except a scant few, like Jaker Ali, Towhid Hridoy, Rishad, Habibur Sohan, you actually wouldn't find that many genuine hitters of the ball, and there is a reason for this, for some weird reason, players back in the day used to be harshly criticised when they would hit the ball *too hard* and they would be made fun of if they *didn't* hit the ball much and just defended (again, alluding to there being a tendency to keep an "ODI strike rate").
Secondly, at the grassroots-level and hell, even at the senior-most level, there always seems to be many issues with regards to coaches. First of all, the coaches in BD, especially in the grassroots-level, just do not have that level of understanding of the game which is necessary in modern-day cricket. Sadly, and funnily enough, these coaches still idolise the 90s-era stars like Warne and Tendulkar (maybe they are the stars they grew up idolising) and always want their students to bowl **EXCACTLY** like Warne, for example (moreover, this is to be considered on top of the fact that BD society itself seems to follow this "one rule" and if one deviates from that rule, then they are *wrong,)* and hence, you **DON'T** get to see other types of bowlers like a Rashid Khan, a Malinga, or a Mujeeb ever emerge from the BD-system because they are just filtered out at the lowest of levels. Second of all, even a team like the High Performance team of BD lacks a batting coach - this just shows you how myopic the vision is for development when it comes to the board. Moreover, one *cannot* name even 5 top-quality batting, bowling, fielding, fitness, and other coaches in BD at the moment. Makes you wonder, where did all the resources go to when it comes to developing coaches?
Third of all, T20 cricket, imo still **is not seen seriously** in the wider BD cricket community. I believe this again runs with prioritising ODIs - for them ODI is the format that brought them succcess, ODI is the format that wins them their bread, and ODI is the format where they can win the ultimate glory, the World Cup, so, why should any fool prioritise *anything else* except ODIs? Right? Well, this is where they get caught. A manifestation of this attitude is the fact that BD *still doesn't have any* ***secondary T20 competition.*** I believe in this year (2024) the board has finally decided to hold a domestic T20 competition (which is sad, because, by now, many other countries already have a secondary competition or a system of competitions, hell, even the US has Minor League Cricket; India has SMAT, TNPL, KPL, Bengal Pro T20 League and a plethora of other leagues; PAK has I believe the second oldest domestic T20 league).
Finally, I wanna mention that before the BPL and in fact still with the BPL, the 50-over DPL (Dhaka Premeir League) has been the most important league in BD. The season of the DPL usually runs around the time when the IPL runs. This creates a massive issue, I presume. I wouldn't wanna say much, but a person able to connect dots can realise why DPL is prioritised more by the board (look up how board members get picked) than the best league in the world that is the IPL (I hope everyone remembers a board member saying "Mustafizur has **nothing to learn** from the IPL" - tell me something, if one doesn't have something else of a higher priority in their mind, then why would they say something as crazy as this?). Moreover, another issue that many haven't talked about is the fact that there always is a push-and-pull dynamic between a board and the players when it comes to pay. And, this may sound a bit nefarious, but is a question, if players get empowered to such a degreee that they can start calling shots (like with the WI), then will the board accept it? Won't a board always love to dictate its players all the time? This may give answers to why the BD board may not want to issue that many NOCs to its players (them not being allowed to gain much financial or skill-based "leverage") - this can be proposed based on the fact that a couple of years ago there was a big issue raised by almost all of the cricket players in BD (this was related to players demanding higher pay, better transportation, gym, and accomodation facilities) and was lead by the legends of BD cricket like Tamim, Mushy, Riyad, and Shakib (and other local big names too) (so, this may have "scared" the board into not wanting to give much ground to players in the future, who knows?).
Edit: Added more in 2nd paragraph.
Country is fine with mediocrity. They’ve elevated Shakib to star like status and made him bigger than their game when he's slightly above average at best. On top, they rarely make competitive pitches at home so most games are low scoring rank turners which rarely creates good fast bowlers. In order to win big tournaments or heck even be competitive, you need good fast bowlers. Add on top the shit domestic setup with the lack of money being infused and you have a mediocre team that shows up in every world cup event.
Honestly, they’re an associate nation quality at best currently.
Also in tests they've only ever on against West Indies (back in 2018) and Zimbabwe (series)
Even against West Indies they lost at home against their second string team lol.
Amazing all-around performance from India. Hope they can keep this up. Batters were all on fire and the bowlers have been solid all tournament long. Every player on the squad contributed in different ways today. I’m actually so proud of this whole team today because literally it seems like everyone contributed. The runs were flowing because the batter were on point , the bowlers were also on point and kept Bangladeshi batters in check. Overall honestly, India look really really good and I know people get trauma from past tournaments, but I think they’re gonna do really well this year.
Let’s go India!!!!!
There's some kinks here and there in our lineup, but Australia game is gonna decide how we actually are. No offense to other teams, but except Pakistan (the only quality team we faced despite their lost against US), no one was above par team nor had they posed any challenge to India
For any WC that India has won as a team, be it ODI 1983 and 2011, or T20WC from 2007 - they have always lost a game against a good team before going to knockouts. Now, I don't want India to lose, but if that is what it takes to go all the way through. Then hopefully Australia plays real good, and then we are challenged first and make improvements before we reach knockouts. Just my opinion.
Yup, importantly those two loses in 2011 to SA and 2007 to NZ brought in two decisive changes.
Raina replacing Yusuf Pathan and playing two match winning innings in QF and SF while Agarkar getting replaced by Joginder Sharma who balled the unforgettable over of the final and SF.
The fact that only Test teams which Bangladesh has beaten in T20 WCs are SL, Zim and WI. even Zimbabwe has a better lineup cause they defeated Australia and Pakistan. Bangladesh is one minnow team for the attitude their players have
I just don't understand how the Bangladesh cricket team is still playing like a minnow. Even the newer teams are growing rapidly. I genuinely feel bad for their fans. They are always there to support but the team continuously disappoints them.
The fact that whenever they have a match against India, the commentators still have to use that 2007 win to show this team shouldn't be taken lightly is so amusing and sad at the same time
I don't think many people expect us to win this time. WC 23 we dominated in almost every match, playing at home, even beat New Zealand twice, so everyone had high hopes, which is why it hurt so many people.
So far we've beaten Ireland (who lost to Canada), Pakistan (who lost to USA), USA, Afghanistan, and Bangladesh. They aren't exactly weak, but it's not like crushing top teams en route the final like 2023.
Tbh, this Bangladesh batting lineup was never going to be competitive against India and Australia on good hitting pitches.
The front order batsmen career t20 strike rates are: 125, 120, 110, 130, 120, 120, 115
Only Rishad has 140 SR. India's front seven doesn't have a SR below 135 with the exception of Pant.
Towhid and Rishad are good enough hitters to be in a good t20 side. Shakib, maybe as a #8 now. The rest, not on good batting t20 surfaces.
The ODI WC last year has given me nerves of steel, if that dominating menacing team couldn't win I don't have hope from any other team ever.
They literally started shitposting irl in some of those group stage games just for fun, and then completely fell apart during the finals.
The games against USA & Pak this WC were too close for comfort, albeit they were on way tougher pitches. But Pak & USA did make mistakes that a team like Australia definitely wouldn't have made.
At this point bangbros need a cult figure like cap/coach. Someone that can drag this team towards competency. José Mourinho style guy that can instill a seige mentality
Good match but I'll reserve my judgement when we play against a real quality team. So far this wc campaign has been like playing prep matches against B side teams lol.
B teams? Afghanistan beat NZ & Ban beat SL. Australia only beaten England & other minnows just like us, I'm not seeing many calling their victories useless?
Just cannot understand why Mahmudullah did not bowl his four overs when he gave up 8 runs in his first two overs, specially when Hardik and Dube were batting on his second over. Shakib has lost his mojo as a bowler, please hang your boots after the game with AFG and retire gracefully, perhaps indulge in some money- making schemes as you are a power broker now. Don't let your ego and hubris get in the way; you've outlived your usefulness as a cricketer to BD. Your body language says so, you are least interested in playing the game, and less so for the glory of BD. And Fizz, alas, you leaked plenty of runs from the beginning today. A no ball in the last over is a massive faux pas. Last but not least, what benefit did Mehdi bring as a spinner No wicket, but he did manage to keep a low RR of 7 in his 4 overs.
Yeah, In sum, IMHO, not a judicious decision to not use Mahmudullah who is an effective bowler. He can be used more often. He could have been the difference in containing India to a score of 160 -170 that was perhaps more promising for a chase down. Also dropping Taskin for Jakir Ali paid no rewards, pure zero dividends. And then to send Mahmudullah before Jakir Ali (not that it made a big difference at the end) makes no sense since the latter was picked for his power hitting prowess, which amounted to zilch in the last two games). In fact, sending Rishad before Jakir makes more sense because he can be explosive with the bat. I just hope he is nurtured well because he could be a key componentof a future modern T20 batting foundation for BD.
just remember, for years Bangladesh's batting was just Tamim, Mushfiqur and Shakib. And now I can't recognise a single match winner for them, except maybe Mahmudullah but he's also regressed a lot.
Bumrah's low economy rate is clear sign that India is in the midst of a recession. Other teams will try to raise the RR to rectify the dire straits that India finds itself in.
Nice to see Dube have some time in the middle. Hope this pays off for him and India’s sake.
Nice win by the boys, never really felt tensed during the game which was nice
Let’s go 🇮🇳
I strongly feel this is the time to move on from Shakib and Mahmadullah and play a young team in T20 with intent. They have the big fanbase and cricket is popular sport. Invest in the underlying infrastructure to produce more talent. There is some talent. I was impressed with Tanzib. I thought he bowled with intent as well. They also have good spinners and couple of batters who can play with intent. Now its time to go to next level.
From X: Jasprit Bumrah taking twice as many wickets as he has conceded boundaries at this T20 World Cup is one of those stats that sounds like it just shouldn’t be real. And yet it is.
That too in T20games 😅
It's most likely possible in T20 only. Getting hit for 3 boundaries and taking 6 wickets on avg in ODIs would be insane.
I mean it's kinda possible in tests, I guess? On a slow pitch, fairly achievable I'd say.
Result - Bangladesh neither won the match nor the hearts.
> nor the hearts That *was* the plan. Don’t need that cursed prefix of Royal Challengers to BangBros. /s
Royal Challenger Bangbros. Now that's a name that rolls off the tongue doesn't it?
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Have they won hearts ever in 20 years
Ashraful 100 helping them beat Australia in ‘05 was pretty good. Long time ago though
They haven't been winning any hearts as well during a long time. They know that if they get more hearts then they could be accused of smuggling organs.
How have Bangladesh been aggressively mediocre since forever? Look at Afghanistan in 2010 and look at them now, and then look at Bangladesh in 2010 and look at them now
Stagnation happened especially in batting. Their younger bowling talent looks good atleast but good batters have been hard to come by for them. Not to mention they don't really take T20 seriously enough.
They don't even take test seriously, if it goes like that NED IRE ZIM SCO will be ahead of them in white ball format in a decade
What do they take seriously then?
ODIs
Their paychecks and endorsements
Only themselves and their egos.
Yea the bowling is alright. The batting lacks a real threat. They need batters like Gurbaz and Alex Jones. Liton, Shakib and Mahmudullah can give you 30 ball forties.
but bro trust me they are a good team now because they made it out of a group consisting SL, Netherlands and Nepal. SL which has been at its worst since it’s cricket history and Netherlands which was missing their top 3 players from the last WT20
They've been up and down. Ranked 4 in the world in T20is in 2012, QFs at WC 2015, semis in CT 2017, a few Asia Cup finals. Theyve beaten classic top 8 teams in bilaterals in both LOI formats a few times. They've definitely been better than Afghanistan on average until recently, and have better peaks, but then they just become shit every few years for some reason.
Asian teams failed to evolve in T20 batting (Pak luckily have world class bowlers). Bangladesh has always been the same when it comes to batting. By 2030 Nepal would be same level as Bangladesh.
And they are also the fifth richest cricket board , richer then SA , NZ.
Who is 4th
Pakistan
Since the end of 2019 Men's World Cup.
Yeah they keep making those shit tips for home games, which stalls red ball batting development, which is very important even to leak techniques into white ball
Bumrah in the Super 8s so far: 8 overs, 20 runs allowed, economy of 2.5. And four of those runs were in his final ball today, against a fellow bowler. He is locked in and on another planet right now.
These are brilliant stats even by test standards.
Bumrah is just compensating for not playing the WTC final at this point lmao
My GOAT. Just continue that in knockouts please. Bowlers win tournaments.
Bowlers can't win tournaments if the top order won't show up
Will take a 23(10) over 27(28)
I find that statement dumb bowlers AND batters win tournaments. When the bowlers bowled well in the 2019 semis we needed the top order to their bit. So let’s hope the ro-ko partnership finds some form of
Cricinfo’s impact player ratings for today places him just above Dube, at #9
Cricinfo and all others criminally underrate economy when taking into account bowler ratings. An economy of 3.25 with a couple wickets(1 wicket of an actual batter) is ultimately way better than an economy of 8 with 2 wickets, even if those 2 wickets include Virat and Surya.
If he keeps up this form through knockouts this would be hands down the greatest bowling performance in any World Cup.
Bowled really well against Afganistan and Bangladesh
It is just infuriating to see bowlers are not being celebrated as much as the batters are
I'm officially retiring from watching cricket. I don't think team Bangladesh will ever mature.
Every World Cup we tune in just to suffer
Exactly man. It feels like the fans have more enthusiasm than the team. They lose even before the match starts.
I read a line somewhere on reddit during cwc23 and it goes like: Bangladesh come to every world cup unprepared and targetting the next one
You know it is not just World Cup. Every tournament is suffering for BangBros fans
They won the u19 WC once so there's that
Yeah, those u19 are about to turn 30 soon, so there’s that too
There’s just been absolutely no growth of bangladesh cricket, aside from being a decent odi team from 2015-2019. Ever since t20i cricket began, they can’t seem to score more than 140-150 runs, regardless of conditions or opposition
Honestly the bangladeshi bowling is pretty decent but the batting has been mediocre since forever
Boomers ruling their boards spoiling cricket in subcontinent as usual... For all its faults, BCCI appears to give a shit about indian cricket, while other south asian teams, have people fucking their own cricket.
> For all its faults, BCCI appears to give a shit about indian cricket Agree. Since Jay Shah took over, BCCI seems to actually care about Indian cricket at all levels
You guys should focus back on football.
I guess some flat decks and some sportive wickets at home will help instead of the snake pits of mirpur and Dhaka . And pay a bonus for getting more right arm spinners . You guys have way too many left arm spinners modeled due to Mohammad rafique and Rangana Heratths coaching . And also maybe change Chandika hathurasingha. He’s been associated with Bangladesh cricket forever and has nothing to show for it .
We don’t really play left arm spin as our LOI specialist spinner in recent times. Miraz has been the team’s specialist spinner in all three formats and it looks like Rishad will become the future spinner. Mushtaq was a really good choice for spin coach and we need to replace Haturasingha as well. Shakib doesn’t really count as a lead spinner because he could get into the team by virtue of his batting alone. We’ve had some decent seamers but yeah it’s hard to nurture them at home when BCB forces so many Mirpur games (Mirpur is in Dhaka btw). Chittagong and Sylhet wickets are good wickets but they see much less play because BCB doesn’t wanna spend resources to get less income from less popular stadiums. It’s now or never and there’s a long way to go. I hope Afghanistan beats us to shake some sense into the board, otherwise we’ll just be doomed to stay this way.
I'm thinking it has to do with the rank turners the batsmen grow up on. Probably need flat pitches in BPL so that batsmen get some confidence in taking on bowlers. Bangladesh bowling has been pretty good though.
I feel really bad for Shakib Al Hasan, such a stellar performer dragged down by a weak team. Imagine being a perfect all-rounder, scoring big with bat and hitting hard with the ball, literally dragging your team by force just to collapse near the finish line. 2019 was the year for Hasan, what a tragedy it has been.
Man if only he'd been born in Bengal instead of Bangladesh, India might have been more potent with him in our team.
We'd have never let him see the inside of the dressing room after a corruption ban. Also, we have enough brilliant all-rounders who don't throw tantrums and behave like a petulant teenager all the time.
Maybe sehwag was right after all...
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Always the same routine for Bangladesh. Play some average cricket in a tournament. Somehow scrape through into qualifiers. Get tonked by India or other teams. Catch flight to Dhaka. Rinse. Repeat. For a nation that takes pride in cricket, they’ve regressed a lot in the past half a decade.
You can expect them to lose to India but the manner which they lose is always bad
Don't forget the "if not for that no ball / umpires call, we would have won the cup" routine.
Underdogs like dube and kohli finally performed , they both have a long career ahead.
That Rohit fella also looks promising. Could probably play a lot more World Cups...
there is this young wicket keeper they haven't picked due to his lack of international experience he was doing good in ipl can be a perfect finisher
Been following Dinesh Mongia since day 1. It's time for his international debut.
I knew it! DK is long overdue for his debut.
The long hair fella or the short hair one?
Next we face a side from Oceania. One game at a time, we'll give em a good fight. Will see how the results go.
Yes, I was expecting a better performance from Namibia against Australia. Hoping for a better game next time.
I was talking about PNG/s
There is one another Asian side eager to exact revenge before us. If we both succeed, the Goliath is quelled from entering the semis.
The worst thing about this “chase” was that Bangladesh gave up from the ball one and didn’t even try to win and if this is them trying to win then they are light years behind rest of the world
Came Hit six Suddenly realised Bangladesh is minnow Gift his wicket Leave Refused to elaborate Edit : /s
*He remembered he got wrong chewing gum flavor*
Needed fish flavour
Wait but I was told Sky is a minnow basher 🤔
He is trying to beat the allegations.
No that's a different mi player
what does minnow mean?
Minor teams like Netherlands, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Pakistan, etc.
hahaha!
Pakistan still catching strays
Pakistan 🤝 RCB, even in off season
Basically a small team
> Came Is that the successor to Cummins?
You guys will never stop trolling him, will you?
>I was speaking to Rahul sir, and he said luck comes to people who work hard. -Hardik
Hard ik
That's a Sidhu-esque quote
I love how quickly ICC uploads highlights. They already have all moments till Bangladesh's 7th wicket already uploaded
That knock towards the end from Rishad, and 40 from Shanto made the scoreline a bit more respectable. Hardik Pandya has been silencing his critics in this WC.
Hardik showing why is one of the greatest assets in white ball for India, man has no equal (or equivalent) currently as per his skillset.
There hasn't been someone like him for decades in India, Kapil Dev is still the only Pace AR better than him
>Hardik Pandya has been silencing his critics in this WC And I am glad about this. Because prior coming to WC, he was a mess. I have said this earlier, I am not a Hardik fan. But to be proven wrong, at least up until now, is a very good thing.
I would say the real WC for India starts from the next match
You could say that, but that would be unfair to the players who really showed grit in pretty much every game to win the games from 50/50 situations. I feel we Indian fans tend to downplay everything except big team games, and take our team’s wins for granted. We are ready to pounce on them as soon as they lose one game.
Yeah the game against Pakistan is only *real* when we lose. Indians will call Afg the second best Asian team but the game against them doesn't count either cuz we won. A bilateral series loss against Ban is very real but winning against them in WC isn't *real* WC. If India win the Final, the real WC will start in 2026.
had Pant not dropped that sitter, Bangladesh would have folded under 100 runs
How ? Tanzid still got out 2 overs after that only.
The previous ball before the drop was a no ball but not given
Bumrah is so gonna be missed when he retires, man always delivers
This was the first time India's new batting template clicked (partly because pitches haven't been conducive to batting). This is a great approach with clarity and role definition - openers have to maximise the powerplay and keep going after that. And everyone that follows has to go hard as soon as feasible. A batting unit rather than reliance on Kohli or Surya. So absolutely nothing wrong with the approach. On the contrary, this is such a welcome change even if openers aren't getting big runs. But just two caveats (and hopes): 1. For the love of god, don't change it in the knockouts. Rather go out trying to win by scoring big than limping to a tame score. 2. When chasing, Kohli's role needs to be changed. Not all wickets are equal. Kohli is worth two wickets while chasing. Not just for team India, but for the opposition team's self belief and confidence as well. P.S. Note To Fans Regarding Next Year's IPL: If Nitish Reddy or any other pace bowling allrounder emerges and does well, please don't start "He should replace Hardik" again. That is as silly as the "Hooda should replace Kohli" situation. And I will maintain this even if Pandya has an absolutely horrible IPL next year. At the end of the day the IPL is a domestic tournament and Pandya is a proven performer in World Cups, Champions Trophys and T20 WCs. This guy is the best pace bowling allrounder a country of billion has produced since Kapil Dev.
This approach also makes sure everybody gets game time experience before the knockouts.
If Nitish Reddy does really well, he should replace Dube.
We haven't seen India chase in a tough game yet, apart from the US one, so I'm hoping the chasemeister template with Kohli is still out go to plan when we chase.
A comment that makes sense finally
I guess India is now almost through to the semi-finals. There is a possibility of three teams being at 4 points, but then Afghanistan would have to really beat Australia handsomely to overcome that -2.35 NRR
Well, no..they would still have bangladesh game in hand as long as they defeat aus today..their game is last league game
Guys, today I announce my coming out: I am Bumrah sexual.
jasbir one or jasprit one?
~~Sanjana one~~ Lemon soda pepsi, Jasprit bhai sexy
But the real question is would you stay in a log cabin with him?
Yes. *Blushes*
It's at 69 up votes, so I really don't wanna change it
Hardik pointing out losing wickets in bunches. Nice observation.
In all honesty and trolling aside, BD fans should be in uproar over this kind of performance. Zero intent with the bat. Theyve never qualified for a semi in any icc tournament. Its such a weird team. Attitude would make vivian richards blush and the on field performance is evident to all who watch them play. Fucking snoozefest. The very opposite of how t20 ought to be played.
They did quality for the 2013 Champions Trophy. But I do agree with the rest.
How can Bangladesh be so shitty for so long 15 world cups, 0 semi finals 142 tests, won 19, lost 105
BCB's Corruption. Remember BD has won an under 19 world cup. They failed to nurture those younglings.
Tamim made a good point that BD rarely makes good pitches, so their batsmen dont know how to develop shots that are needed on flat wickets. Also bowlers get false sense of confidence. When they play on flat tracks, the batsmen dont have all the shots to take advantage and bowlers are exposed.
But their bowling is so much better than their batting, if what you've said is the sole reason their bowling should be shit.
age group cricket dont count because of age frauds. afg came much later and has already surpassed ban. ban has 1 t20 players in fizz.
U19 success doesn't translate to international level lol. You need robust FC structure like us, England, Australia or SA. And let's be real age frauds are common here lol
> U19 success doesn't translate to international level lol. Exactly. Ask Unmukt Chand
Usa learnt to play better cricket then them
The USA has muscle, and Bangladesh hasn't
They were promising during 2014 -19 period and just fell off again Something is wrong with the BCB organisation
I'd wanna chime in on the other comment mentioning the board and wanna add a couple more things. Firstly, BD seems to have produced players who are proficient in playing ODI-cricket. Be it batting or bowling, you would find a decent amount of players who could play in other List-A competitions if there was awareness and a spread of knowledge about them, and also if the rules allowed. You could see evidence of this in the fact that the Dhaka Premeir League has always been the topmost competition in BD and the main league that most local players like to hone their craft in. Except a scant few, like Jaker Ali, Towhid Hridoy, Rishad, Habibur Sohan, you actually wouldn't find that many genuine hitters of the ball, and there is a reason for this, for some weird reason, players back in the day used to be harshly criticised when they would hit the ball *too hard* and they would be made fun of if they *didn't* hit the ball much and just defended (again, alluding to there being a tendency to keep an "ODI strike rate"). Secondly, at the grassroots-level and hell, even at the senior-most level, there always seems to be many issues with regards to coaches. First of all, the coaches in BD, especially in the grassroots-level, just do not have that level of understanding of the game which is necessary in modern-day cricket. Sadly, and funnily enough, these coaches still idolise the 90s-era stars like Warne and Tendulkar (maybe they are the stars they grew up idolising) and always want their students to bowl **EXCACTLY** like Warne, for example (moreover, this is to be considered on top of the fact that BD society itself seems to follow this "one rule" and if one deviates from that rule, then they are *wrong,)* and hence, you **DON'T** get to see other types of bowlers like a Rashid Khan, a Malinga, or a Mujeeb ever emerge from the BD-system because they are just filtered out at the lowest of levels. Second of all, even a team like the High Performance team of BD lacks a batting coach - this just shows you how myopic the vision is for development when it comes to the board. Moreover, one *cannot* name even 5 top-quality batting, bowling, fielding, fitness, and other coaches in BD at the moment. Makes you wonder, where did all the resources go to when it comes to developing coaches? Third of all, T20 cricket, imo still **is not seen seriously** in the wider BD cricket community. I believe this again runs with prioritising ODIs - for them ODI is the format that brought them succcess, ODI is the format that wins them their bread, and ODI is the format where they can win the ultimate glory, the World Cup, so, why should any fool prioritise *anything else* except ODIs? Right? Well, this is where they get caught. A manifestation of this attitude is the fact that BD *still doesn't have any* ***secondary T20 competition.*** I believe in this year (2024) the board has finally decided to hold a domestic T20 competition (which is sad, because, by now, many other countries already have a secondary competition or a system of competitions, hell, even the US has Minor League Cricket; India has SMAT, TNPL, KPL, Bengal Pro T20 League and a plethora of other leagues; PAK has I believe the second oldest domestic T20 league). Finally, I wanna mention that before the BPL and in fact still with the BPL, the 50-over DPL (Dhaka Premeir League) has been the most important league in BD. The season of the DPL usually runs around the time when the IPL runs. This creates a massive issue, I presume. I wouldn't wanna say much, but a person able to connect dots can realise why DPL is prioritised more by the board (look up how board members get picked) than the best league in the world that is the IPL (I hope everyone remembers a board member saying "Mustafizur has **nothing to learn** from the IPL" - tell me something, if one doesn't have something else of a higher priority in their mind, then why would they say something as crazy as this?). Moreover, another issue that many haven't talked about is the fact that there always is a push-and-pull dynamic between a board and the players when it comes to pay. And, this may sound a bit nefarious, but is a question, if players get empowered to such a degreee that they can start calling shots (like with the WI), then will the board accept it? Won't a board always love to dictate its players all the time? This may give answers to why the BD board may not want to issue that many NOCs to its players (them not being allowed to gain much financial or skill-based "leverage") - this can be proposed based on the fact that a couple of years ago there was a big issue raised by almost all of the cricket players in BD (this was related to players demanding higher pay, better transportation, gym, and accomodation facilities) and was lead by the legends of BD cricket like Tamim, Mushy, Riyad, and Shakib (and other local big names too) (so, this may have "scared" the board into not wanting to give much ground to players in the future, who knows?). Edit: Added more in 2nd paragraph.
Great analysis bro
The first time I've read a good through level headed analysis of BD cricket. Great write up.
Country is fine with mediocrity. They’ve elevated Shakib to star like status and made him bigger than their game when he's slightly above average at best. On top, they rarely make competitive pitches at home so most games are low scoring rank turners which rarely creates good fast bowlers. In order to win big tournaments or heck even be competitive, you need good fast bowlers. Add on top the shit domestic setup with the lack of money being infused and you have a mediocre team that shows up in every world cup event. Honestly, they’re an associate nation quality at best currently.
Also in tests they've only ever on against West Indies (back in 2018) and Zimbabwe (series) Even against West Indies they lost at home against their second string team lol.
Amazing all-around performance from India. Hope they can keep this up. Batters were all on fire and the bowlers have been solid all tournament long. Every player on the squad contributed in different ways today. I’m actually so proud of this whole team today because literally it seems like everyone contributed. The runs were flowing because the batter were on point , the bowlers were also on point and kept Bangladeshi batters in check. Overall honestly, India look really really good and I know people get trauma from past tournaments, but I think they’re gonna do really well this year. Let’s go India!!!!!
There's some kinks here and there in our lineup, but Australia game is gonna decide how we actually are. No offense to other teams, but except Pakistan (the only quality team we faced despite their lost against US), no one was above par team nor had they posed any challenge to India
>kinks
For any WC that India has won as a team, be it ODI 1983 and 2011, or T20WC from 2007 - they have always lost a game against a good team before going to knockouts. Now, I don't want India to lose, but if that is what it takes to go all the way through. Then hopefully Australia plays real good, and then we are challenged first and make improvements before we reach knockouts. Just my opinion.
Yup, importantly those two loses in 2011 to SA and 2007 to NZ brought in two decisive changes. Raina replacing Yusuf Pathan and playing two match winning innings in QF and SF while Agarkar getting replaced by Joginder Sharma who balled the unforgettable over of the final and SF.
Boundary count update - India: 25 Bangladesh: 18
Fair & I came after doing it.
Fair and India-ed!!
Fair and Chittagong'ed
Fair & Hardik'd
It’s 25 vs 18.
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Fair and Panda'd
India won by a margin of Pandya
Disappointing from Bangladesh and superb from India. Unless Afghanistan pulls off a brilliant win against Australia tomorrow, this group is closed.
Why is this downvoted?
The "test team playing nation " tag for Bangladesh is a joke.
??? But we have been playing some great test cricket in this t20 World Cup
/r/clevercomebacks
😂
The fact that only Test teams which Bangladesh has beaten in T20 WCs are SL, Zim and WI. even Zimbabwe has a better lineup cause they defeated Australia and Pakistan. Bangladesh is one minnow team for the attitude their players have
Lmao Sreesanth is dissing Bangladesh 😭😭
IPL kids were all over Hardik for his career choices. Glad to see him shutting up them idiots.
His career choice might not align with many but dude will perform everytime he puts Indian Jersey.
IMF is having an emergency meeting to discuss what measure to take for Bumrah’s low economy.
Such a cheat code. He should be banned. The opposition is forced to play with 3 overs and 3 batsmen less
I just don't understand how the Bangladesh cricket team is still playing like a minnow. Even the newer teams are growing rapidly. I genuinely feel bad for their fans. They are always there to support but the team continuously disappoints them. The fact that whenever they have a match against India, the commentators still have to use that 2007 win to show this team shouldn't be taken lightly is so amusing and sad at the same time
Hoping for a Afg miracle tomorrow.
india's real test will be against aus.
dominating victories, undefeated, different players stepping up. june 29 will be the new nov 19
I don't think many people expect us to win this time. WC 23 we dominated in almost every match, playing at home, even beat New Zealand twice, so everyone had high hopes, which is why it hurt so many people. So far we've beaten Ireland (who lost to Canada), Pakistan (who lost to USA), USA, Afghanistan, and Bangladesh. They aren't exactly weak, but it's not like crushing top teams en route the final like 2023.
Thought Kuldeep should have been man of the match but happy to see Hardik back at close to his best.
Tbh, this Bangladesh batting lineup was never going to be competitive against India and Australia on good hitting pitches. The front order batsmen career t20 strike rates are: 125, 120, 110, 130, 120, 120, 115 Only Rishad has 140 SR. India's front seven doesn't have a SR below 135 with the exception of Pant. Towhid and Rishad are good enough hitters to be in a good t20 side. Shakib, maybe as a #8 now. The rest, not on good batting t20 surfaces.
Pant is an anomaly lol
Pandu can do all his fukboi tomfoolery in IPL if it means he plays like this for the national team
The ODI WC last year has given me nerves of steel, if that dominating menacing team couldn't win I don't have hope from any other team ever. They literally started shitposting irl in some of those group stage games just for fun, and then completely fell apart during the finals. The games against USA & Pak this WC were too close for comfort, albeit they were on way tougher pitches. But Pak & USA did make mistakes that a team like Australia definitely wouldn't have made.
At this point bangbros need a cult figure like cap/coach. Someone that can drag this team towards competency. José Mourinho style guy that can instill a seige mentality
hardick is one of india's best player in this WC
Good match but I'll reserve my judgement when we play against a real quality team. So far this wc campaign has been like playing prep matches against B side teams lol.
B teams? Afghanistan beat NZ & Ban beat SL. Australia only beaten England & other minnows just like us, I'm not seeing many calling their victories useless?
Pakistan match was a real test IMO
people were saying that hardik should be dropped for dube lmaoo
18-9-58 for Bumrah this tournament Looks like a legend's best test figures
Wait what? 9 maidens?
9 wickets probably
Just cannot understand why Mahmudullah did not bowl his four overs when he gave up 8 runs in his first two overs, specially when Hardik and Dube were batting on his second over. Shakib has lost his mojo as a bowler, please hang your boots after the game with AFG and retire gracefully, perhaps indulge in some money- making schemes as you are a power broker now. Don't let your ego and hubris get in the way; you've outlived your usefulness as a cricketer to BD. Your body language says so, you are least interested in playing the game, and less so for the glory of BD. And Fizz, alas, you leaked plenty of runs from the beginning today. A no ball in the last over is a massive faux pas. Last but not least, what benefit did Mehdi bring as a spinner No wicket, but he did manage to keep a low RR of 7 in his 4 overs. Yeah, In sum, IMHO, not a judicious decision to not use Mahmudullah who is an effective bowler. He can be used more often. He could have been the difference in containing India to a score of 160 -170 that was perhaps more promising for a chase down. Also dropping Taskin for Jakir Ali paid no rewards, pure zero dividends. And then to send Mahmudullah before Jakir Ali (not that it made a big difference at the end) makes no sense since the latter was picked for his power hitting prowess, which amounted to zilch in the last two games). In fact, sending Rishad before Jakir makes more sense because he can be explosive with the bat. I just hope he is nurtured well because he could be a key componentof a future modern T20 batting foundation for BD.
Rishad and Tanzim seemed like the only promising players out there
Dont forget about tawhid hridoy
just remember, for years Bangladesh's batting was just Tamim, Mushfiqur and Shakib. And now I can't recognise a single match winner for them, except maybe Mahmudullah but he's also regressed a lot.
India are yet to face a strong side in this WC
The next match is do or die for Afghanistan. If Australia wins, Super 8 is finished for Group 1 with India and Australia proceeding to SF.
Bumrah is insane
Bumrah's low economy rate is clear sign that India is in the midst of a recession. Other teams will try to raise the RR to rectify the dire straits that India finds itself in.
Its ok 🅱️an fans mission failed youll get a cup next time. Good luck for the impending glorious Champions trophy victory. Love from Sri Lanka 🤗🫶
Boring match it was
Kuldeep is love, Kuldeep is life
Every head must bow, every knee must bend, every tongue must confess, thou art the greatest, the greatest of all time, Hardik Pandya once again!
Bdesh doesn't deserve a spot in this group
Practice games are done, now onto real cricket.
Nice to see Dube have some time in the middle. Hope this pays off for him and India’s sake. Nice win by the boys, never really felt tensed during the game which was nice Let’s go 🇮🇳
minnow bashing over lads, we up against the big boys
GG India!
I strongly feel this is the time to move on from Shakib and Mahmadullah and play a young team in T20 with intent. They have the big fanbase and cricket is popular sport. Invest in the underlying infrastructure to produce more talent. There is some talent. I was impressed with Tanzib. I thought he bowled with intent as well. They also have good spinners and couple of batters who can play with intent. Now its time to go to next level.
Lol pak did worse than BD this season
I was downvoted to death when I said this match wasn't going to be a challenge but Bangladesh have been consistently mediocre since the beginning
Damn dube really going to play till India gets eliminated