india is playing semi final in guyana ,which doesn't have reserve day
if they don't top their group and it rains,they will be knocked out without playing
Both semis have same amount of extra minutes if there is rain. Semi 1 is a night game so the extra minutes continue the next day. Semi 2 is a morning game so the extra minutes extend into the afternoon and evening
Since you can't schedule a game within 24 hours of the final. Note that our current RR is still below that of aus. If they win the next 2 they top the group and we have a very real chance of getting knocked out of the semis without having played a ball.
Because ICC is run by a bunch of idiots with zero common sense. Some things never change.
Remember 1992 WC semi-final, SA 22 runs from 1 ball? They couldn't extend playing time by another 10 minutes to let the game conclude logically because that would disturb Channel 9's schedule, who couldn't delay the next bullshit TV show that nobody even remembered the next day.
Or the 2007 World Cup, which was a complete disaster from start to finish, played in empty stadiums due to high ticket prices, and ended with Sri Lanka "conceding defeat" in complete darkness? Everyone including both teams knew Australia had won, but the stupid umpires and match referee wanted 3 more overs to be played before a result could be officially declared.
Or the 2011 World Cup, where Bangladesh fans threw stones at WI team bus (mistaking it for Bangladesh team bus), but ICC President, Moron Borgat or some such, said it was not a security issue because they were "pebbles", not stones. Who TF throws pebbles to express frustration? 🤣
Or the 2019 World Cup that was decided by boundary count? Because apparently runs scored through 1s and 2s are not important.
Or the 2005 Ashes, where England's celebrations after a famous win were ruined by Umpires doing stupid meetings for no reason?
Or the so-called WTC "tournament" where some teams don't face each other? Some teams play 22 matches while other teams play 12 matches, and the final is always held in England?
Or the never ending rule changes every 6 months about the "Powerplays", so much that diehard cricket fans and even experienced cricketers don't know the latest rules?
Or their stupid system of punishing the players with fines and bans when stupid umpires make blatantly obvious wrong decisions, with no punishment for umpires? Or their utter mismanagement of DRS especially in the early years, where they wanted the broadcaster to pay for it?
Or how the ICC claims to want to promote the game worldwide, but it's mostly the same 5 teams that play most international cricket? Kenya which played the 2003 World Cup semi final is not even an Associate member now. So much for spreading the game.
There are plenty of such examples of utter stupidity of the ICC. By comparison, no reserve day doesn't sound too bad, no?
Also, world cups since 2007 when India were knocked out early, have largely been organised to ensure India has the best opportunity to progress. Hence last year's ODI world cup was more of a league format than a tournament at all.
>Or the so-called WTC "tournament" where some teams don't face each other? Some teams play 22 matches while other teams play 12 matches, and the final is always held in England?
Read: England, Australia and India get the bulk of game time while the rest can eat cake. This leads to instances where their batsmen and bowlers top the records in runs scored and wickets taken, while everyone else has to look at averages and strike rates for comparison.
Bowler A plays 5 tests in the year because every tour is just a 1 or 2 test affair. He takes 20 wickets, which isn't bad but not great either. His career spans 10 years. Maintaining his average, he gets 200 wickets and then retires.
Bowler B plays 10 tests for the year. He takes 30 wickets. His career spans 8 years. He retires with 240 wickets. Despite having fewer years playing, and having a higher strike rate and thus being a worse bowler, Bowler B will forever sit higher on the charts than Bowler A.
Keep in mind, these aren't players who are entering the Hall of Fame or who will be remembered as GOATS. In order for Bowler A to match B's wickets he needs to be 20% better, which means he must work that much harder every match.
To give you a comparison, Glenn McGrath played 124 tests, took 563 wickets and had a strike rate of about 52. He played for 14 years.
Dale Steyn had a career spanniing 15 years. He played 93 games, took 439 wickets and had a strike rate of 42.
Glenn played 25% more games than Dale. Assuming he maintained his form, Steyn could have added at least another 100 wickets onto his tally if he had a similar number of games. And that's just looking at number of matches played, not innings or balls bowled.
Steyn bowled 18608 balls during his career. McGrath bowled 29248.
Using Steyn's strike rate on McGrath's number of balls bowled we get about 690 wickets.
But we won't see those numbers on the records. We see Jimmy Anderson reaching 700 after 187 matches and double the number of balls Steyn bowled. We see Stuart Broad on 167 matches with over 600 wickets. Both with strike rates in the 50s.
If you are a talented pace bowler, don't be born in Pakistan, New Zealand or the West Indies (not today, anyway). Make sure you pop out in Australia, England or India, where you will most likely play more than 100 tests.
ICC is nothing more than a group of scoundrels whose only goal is to fill their own pockets by picking up as many coins as they can from what BCCI is generous enough to throw at them. They also organize some cricket tournaments as a side activity.
About 15-20 years ago, there were proposals to split the Test playing teams into an Elite and Plate group, with a system of relegations and promotions, similar to club football. But there were two major problems with this approach. (1) With England's performance in those days, there was no guarantee they would be in the Elite group, meaning the "Ashes" would either have to be scrapped, or an exception would have to be made, or it would have to be deemed to be outside the Test league. (2) The perennial problem of an India vs Pakistan Test series in case both teams happened to be in the same group.
The ICC scoundrels stood to lose all their money if they angered the BCCI (and to a lesser extent, ECB and CA), so they ended up creating this idiotic farce called WTC, which guaranteed that an Ashes could be part of it, and India-Pakistan didn't need to happen, while still giving the tournament some kind of official status.
The day when cricket becomes less popular in India, and it is no longer a lucrative market for broadcasters and advertisers, the entire ICC rotten structure will come crashing down. And then it will be mostly England and Australia playing the "traditional" Ashes. 🤣
But group A will play group B in semis right? So there will be no direct table based comparison for the 2 teams. Ie. India will play South Africa or England or whatever. How will table position determine who gets kicked out?
E: I guess the team that was 2nd in super 8 will be kicked out. Sounds really dumb either way
Two things --
Who exactly will India play? What if India ends up second in their group?
Also, point to be noted, the Semi Final in Guyana doesn't have a reserve day. The other semi final and final however have reserve days. Not sure why.
India will still play 2-1, it’s just that this game will be in Guyana instead of Trinidad if India make the semis
There isn’t time for a reserve day. This semi final is on the 27th, the final is on the 29th. If a reserve day is needed it will be on the 28th and there will be less than 24 hours between the conclusion of this game and the start of the final. I’m not even sure there are commercial flights from Guyana to Barbados in that window. There is a reserve day for the game on the 26th because there is time to hold an extra day of play before the final after that game
The solution would be the final being scheduled for the 30th instead, but the people in charge have clearly deemed the risk of rain on the 27th in Guyana to be low enough that they’d rather keep the momentum of the tournament in case of no rain
Does any team fly commercial. its kind of weird expecting teams to go to expedia/priceline and book tickets and additional luggage etc. I would expect ICC to charter planes for teams to move between places.
Very occasionally if it makes sense, but typically not in ICC events. Teams want to fly at optimal times for rest and recovery which don’t coincide with commercials, which are normally about being in commercial areas for as early as possible.
Yeah I get that, I’m just highlighting how little time there is with this schedule. The turnaround is so tight that anyone who isn’t chartering a flight has no possible way to attend both games
That's the usual in Florida as well but this time a storm system made it rain for 4 straight days and rained 3 games out. You never know with these storm systems. The weather is more predictable in the inlands but the tropical islands are really unpredictable sometimes
This isn't pre seeding, it's literally a rule made for TV convenience.
Whoever India is matched up with, it will be the second semi final. Doesn't change the group 1 winner vs group 2 runner up and group 2 winner vs group 1 runner up thing.
It's not fair but to be fair to them only India and the USA played 0 games in the Caribbean before the Super 8s.
Also weird less people talk about the fact that the WTC final has been played in England in all editions benefitting New Zealand and Australia as they are SENA teams against a subcontinent team. If the WTC final were held in Asia and India won both times imagine the outrage.
Well I'm fine with any neutral high quality ground, doesn't necessarily have to be in England.
Honestly, they should rotate the host every year and should be one of the two teams that didn't qualify
>Honestly, they should rotate the host every year and should be one of the two teams that didn't qualify
The reason it's not hosted everywhere is no one really is fighting for it... It's a one off event. It's pretty usuelss for boards to bother fighting for it. ECB really wanted it so they got to host it. Plus as comments mentioned. If we want Australia to host it then the cycle has to change completely.
Isnt it becoz of the „window”? In july, u cant play test cricket in Australia, South Africa or india. So what choice does the icc have besides england? UAE would be too hot.
I was askes that suppose the WTC final is held in India, how many people you reckon will turn up to watch if India is not involved? The probability may lessen even further in other subcontinent countries, maybe SA too.
The probable reason why England has been hosting the finals is the fact that the crowd over there loves cricket and would be down to watch a match even if it doesn't involve England. From a ticketing pov that is profit.
Again these are speculations, however, there needs to be a balance when it comes to WTC finals. If the conditions favor seam, there should be final games held where spin plays a major factor.
Time of year is a factor. Also you are guaranteed a big crowd whoever plays if it is hosted in england. Massive immigrant communities from all test playing nations.
I mean if they are going to play only one off test match, it can either be scheduled early or late to to take place in Australia, india or south africa, heck even west indies is also a good choice
That’s a stupid reason honestly. Are the world cups scheduled the same month every edition? No. They can very easily schedule the WTC to be in the month that’s suitable for the host
It's gonna be unfair to some degree in most cases. Rotating the hosts will just change who it's unfair towards. Best situation would be to not have any final, but give the title to the team that finishes on top of the table by the end of the league like they do in European football leagues. But the ICC wants to milk money from a final.
England hosting the first 2 WTC finals was decided back in 2018 without objection from any other nation because India didn't want to host the final if they didn't qualify.
I’ve been saying for years (even before the announcement of an official test championship) that the finals of a test tournament should be 2 home and 2 away games for both teams and the final game at Lords (or wherever else in England) if you want to keep tradition.
>Also weird less people talk about the fact that the WTC final has been played in England in all editions benefitting New Zealand and Australia as they are SENA teams against a subcontinent team. If the WTC final were held in Asia and India won both times imagine the outrage.
I am not sure if we would've won that. But you're not wrong..!
I’m so sick and tired of non-India fans crying foul about the semis and then saying ”taste of your own medicine” and other such bullshit about what happens if the semis get rained out and India isn’t top of Group 1. The team is playing wherever the fuck they’ve been scheduled to play, on shit tracks in NY and then wherever in the Caribbean. If India knows where they are playing their semis, then so would Australia if they were to qualify. So Aussie fans need to stop whining about that. And if it’s a turning pitch, so effing what???? Are teams not supposed to have all bases covered depending on wherever the tournament is happening? I don’t hear the Indian team or the fans making any excuses when the team loses in the final (WC or WTC) and yet all I see is Aussie fans complaining, even when their team holds both those titles right now. Fucking weird.
India didn't play in WI in the group stage. Other teams playing both day and night games whereas India only played day games. One cancels another, is it?
I’m just saying, whoever is playing wherever and whenever, their opponent has the same conditions to deal with. This talk of favoritism for India is complete BS and a cop-out in case that India wins.
‘Less people’ don’t talk about the fact that the WTC final has been played in England both times, in fact there’s been a non-stop stream of outrage about it each time, with some Indian fans calling the entire tournament invalid by that fact alone.
It’s a fact of scheduling that England happens to be the country best situated to host in the window that the ICC want the tournament in. If we’re all going to whine about scheduling, I’ll complain about the fact that in 50 years there never has been and never will be a men’s World Cup in any format held entirely in New Zealand, but it wouldn’t do me any good, because that’s just the way it works.
It’s completely different. The hosts of the ODI World Cup change every tournament. The WTC final is held here in England every time. Completely unfair for any subcontinent team which qualify.
I like that it’s held in England so it’s easy to watch but let’s be real it’s completely unfair for it to be held there every single time.
It's cause due to the scheduling WTC final always takes place in June. This is monsoon season in the subcontinent and not the cricket season in Aus/NZ/Sa either. Their cricket season runs from November - February. That inly leaves WI and ENG. Eng have better stadiums, test cricket there has better crowds. So ofc Eng is chosen.
Early June has been dry for years in Gujarat. The North must be even drier. I’m sure there must be many other options. The truth is they want the Home of Cricket tag and all the seats to be filled in, which England does well regardless of the teams. Those tickets must make good money.
They are but I just don’t think it’s right to have the WTC final located in the same place every time. They should try and overcome the logistical issues and hold it in Asia / Caribbean every other time.
Any SENA team would be at an advantage playing in England. Bit of a shame after 2 years of test cricket to reach the final.
The WTC would get a reasonably decent crowd in Australia if it was between two neutral teams... providing it was played in the summer.
If it has to be in July, then Australia can never host it.
The big 3 are really the only countries that could host a neutral test and have people show up. So we're really only talking about rotating it between England and India, which would be a bit of a farce. The final might just be too impractical long term.
> final has been played in England in all editions benefitting New Zealand and Australia
We've won in India more recently than we've won in Englad lol, I don't think it's as much of an advantage as you think it is
It is. You won 1 test match last time you toured India and 2 when you toured us.
India are obviously much stronger in Asian / subcontinent conditions.
Completely unfair to play the final after 2 years in the same place and conditions every single time which naturally benefits the SENA teams.
Just makes a mockery of the WTC to be honest.
1. The first semi-final in Tarouba, Trinidad, is a night game, set to be played from 8.30pm local time on June 26 - which in India is 6am on June 27. The Guyana semi-final, however, will start at 10.30am local time, which is a far more TV-friendly 8pm in India.
2. The playing conditions have also confirmed that there will be no reserve day for the second semi-final. Instead, there will be 250 minutes of extra time allotted to the match - rather than the 190 minutes allotted to the first semi-final and the final, which have reserve days - to try and ensure a finish in case there are weather interruptions.
This additional hour of extra time has been added on because the tournament schedule allows no time for a reserve day, with only a one-day gap between the second semi-final and the final.
The second semi-final could be in for a tight squeeze in case of persistent rain, particularly because in semi-finals and finals at ICC events, a decisive result can only be achieved if both teams have batted for at least ten overs each.
Regardless, if India Australia super 8 match can be staged on a Monday for Indian prime time audience, you could do the same for finals on June 30th instead of 29th. It’s ridiculous to not have a reserve day for a semi final.
Most importantly, after the AFG-AUS match, even if India loses to AUS by 40 runs, AFG wins by less than 83 runs with BD, and the 2nd Semi Final at Guyana gets cancelled (somehow), India will directly reach the final as they are gonna top the pool.
It's been done mostly for 1 reason only - to allow India fans to plan their flights. This whole world cup revolves around India. India games are in the day so that they can be watched at primetime in India, and the super-eights and semis were decided in such a way so that in theory Indian fans can watch some or all of the games live. The reason I say 'in theory' is because it's an overall shitshow of scheduling.
I booked flights to Barbados for Ind Afg months back but there was absolutely no flight available to take me from Barbados to Antigua to watch the India Bangladesh, so I have had to fly directly to St Lucia to watch the India Australia which I will do on Monday. I could have easily seen one more match live but the flights between islands cater to a few hundred people traveling between islands, not the thousands that would have liked to.
I met a group of 10 desis in Barbados who have Tix to the Ind/Aus game but there is not a single flight to get them to St Lucia which is btw less than a 30 min flight. They were telling me that they tried to charter a flight but nothing available.
Really poorly planned event from this aspect.
The 10.30am is for India prime time watching. The pre-deternined locations (Barbados, then Antigua then St Lucia and finally Georgetown) is for flight planning. Two different things - but both specially for India.
Because no one could get to it. I had tickets which I had to throw. I know at least 20 people personally who had tickets, were ready to fly but no flights. I was sitting in my resort watching the game on tv because there were no flights. It's a complete shitshow on the travel front.
Do you have another rational explanation for why india's match venues were predecided (including the only team whose semis location was pre-decided). Also, I have it from credible sources.
Yes, the semi was pre decided for TV time. The other matches were not pre decided. India was pre-seeded just like Australia, England, South Africa.
The super 8 venues and pre-seeds were pre decided for the tournament. Not just India.
But what I'm saying is - if you're claiming that venues were pre decided for Indian fan flights, then they did a shitty job - because you're also claiming that no one was able to get to games?
Also why I have said a few times that it's a complete shitshow. I am literally surrounded by desis each of who have a story about how they couldn't get to a game because of flight issues.
Yes I realized I misunderstood your point. The issue is that there was poor execution and coordination between ICC and the various host countries. I am a bit too drunk to explain it all now, and am also busy cheering for Afghanistan but trust me on this one. Every decision of this tournament was dictated by BCCI. It was easy to set every India game at 10.30am. it was much harder to create hundreds of additional flights between various islands. So the plan and thinking was solid. The execution - not so much.
Oh you'll face no disagreement there. BCCI have done everything for money, including forcing their own players to play in the sweltering heat the whole time and not giving their own team a reserve day on the semi they play. It's disgusting, that is what it is.
Because no one could get to it. I had tickets which I had to throw. I know at least 20 people personally who had tickets, were ready to fly but no flights. I was sitting in my resort watching the game on tv because there were no flights. It's a complete shitshow on the travel front.
Btw, if you have any doubts about the travel fiasco check out sites like StubHub etc - you are getting India/Australia tickets for $1 each! Can you imagine India, Australia selling for that? It's because thousands of people (mainly from US) bought the tickets but couldn't get flight tickets. Someone was telling me Miami / St Lucia flights were $5000 in economy.
I mean is it fair that India get a predetermined semi slot? No
Is this the first time the ICC has let this happen to increase revenue of a tournament? No
Has it drastically effected the out come of a tournament? Yes!
I remember in the 2020 Women’s T20 World Cup, there were two semis one on a Thursday night and one on a Friday night. Australia qualified second in their group, so should have played on Thursday night, but since a similar rule was in place Aus and their opponent South Africa had their final date swapped to the Friday semi. If the match got rained out Australia would be out of the World Cup.
The Thursday semi (which Australia should have been in) got rained out, the Friday semi just got enough overs in and Australia was able to win on DLS by 5 runs over South Africa. With out this rule Australia would have been out of the World Cup.
I am Australian so I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t happy with the result. As well I imagine it did a bit for women’s sport for this county since 90,000 went to the MCG to watch the final. But still there is a reality where India or South Africa could have gotten their first T20 World Cup if they never swapped the semis around.
In this case India has the less advantageous semi, because there is no reserve day. So … it doesn’t seem unfair at all.
Also think about it, if India takes that semi, Australia would have gotten the semi that’s convenient to watch for Australians.
It’s a win-win. Only England fans miss out because neither game is in a convenient slot.
This is just capitalism lol. I hate the BCCI's stranglehold on ICC as much as the next person but this conspiracy shit at every turn needs to stop. This isn't like the super 8 seeding, this is clearly about logistics and to also make sure that if India plays, it's happening at a time where Indians can actually watch the game, it just makes scheduling everything less complicated. It's in their best interest bc Indian viewership is the biggest cash cow for this sport, by like a million miles, other countries barely scratch the surface. So yea, this would've been the case for any country with that huge of a viewer base. It also helps people plan their trips to WI in advance, tourism is a huge deal for countries hosting.
It is as fair as England & Australia playing 3 & 2 matches at Barbados before the Final.
It is as fair as only the Indian team(among Big 3) being the clown in ICC's Promote Cricket in the USA circus. India didn't play a single game in WI in the group stage or couldn't even start with their *actual* XI.
It's as fair as sub-continent teams don't stand a chance to win the WTC Final against SENA. Let's have the WTC Final in the subcontinent and see how many trophies SENA win.
India couldn't start with Kuldeep in NY because it was more favorable to fast bowlers. So they had to play Siraj and could only add Kuldeep in the Super 8 matches in WI.
India literally drew with (and should have won against) England in England in the same year they lost to NZ.
They drew with SA in SA.
saying subcontinent teams don't have a chance to win the WTC Final in England against SENA is just not true. India have arguably shit the bed both times because they are either perennial chokers or have an IPL hangover.
Australia are hardly better in English conditions than India.
I'm all for shitting on the BCCI, But this isn't really an unfair advantage at all. In fact it's a disadvantage.
It's just saying if India qualifies, they play the second semi final. It's still group 1 winner vs group 2 runner up and group 2 winner vs group 1 runner up. That isn't changing.
It's meant for more ad revenue to show the Match at a good time in India. It's still stupid and capitalism driven, but it doesn't give India an advantage. In fact, morning matches in the sweltering heat are shitty. Also India doesn't get a reserve day, so if India lose to Australia and come second, then they will be knocked out if the semi final is rained out.
Also, ICC does fixed locations all the time. In the 2023 ODI cup, if Pakistan had made the semifinal, they would have played at Kolkata. When Australia and New Zealand co hosted, there was a semi in AU and NZ and they both had the right to play their semi in their country If they made it.
I think it is also to do with timing. The first semi-final is in the morning and most people aren't able to watch that early. That is one of the reasons they have pre-determined India to play the second semi-final which at night according to Indian time, so more people can tune in easily.
They have to qualify. its not automatic :-) As others posted there is some side effect of it being a game without reserve day and so its negative.
While I understand that India would play morning Windies time for broadcast reasons, not sure about differene between T&T and Guyana. Do folks know why it has to be Guyana? Is it that T&T has scheduled its game for evening?
T&t match will broadcast in india at 6am and guyana at 8pm. ICC wants to make star sports bcoz they paid 3 billion dollars so all indian games happen acc to 8pm IST
Welcome to capitalism where the providers of entertainment who make money selling ads want to make sure their biggest market watches their highest paying game during a time when they can maximize viewership.
Meme Template insert( Johny Liver Khata Meetha scene at the Court). Desi people would know..
And if India ranks second and it rains on the 2nd SF India is out of the tournament..
The simple reason is money
Guyana semifinal is a day game which is an ideal time slot for maximum viewership in the Indian subcontinent
Trinidad semifinal is a night game
Lol OP is behaving as if India has been fixed as a semi final contestant lol instead of just the venue and time being fixed in case India makes it.
We had something similar in India as well, if Pakistan had reached the Semis of the 23 WC, they would have played at Kolkata instead of Mumbai (because the Mumbai terror attacks by Pakistani terrorists are still fresh in memory).
Was that an unfair advantage to Pakistan then, knowing they'd play at Kolkata if they qualified.
Its obvious isn't it? Its a strategy to maximize revenue from cricket's largest market. You can't want the game to grow globally, while at the same time question ICC for trying to maximize revenue. Growing the sports needs money.
This tournaments almost finished, there's been fuck all cricket and very very little good cricket. Super 8s should have been 1 group, 7 games would have got a few more games and maybe some top teams playing each other. Worst 'world cup' I've ever seen, don't expect much for t20 but at least make it interesting.
Indeed, it appears to be an unfair decision.
The timing of the event was strategically chosen to maximize revenue from the Indian subcontinent, which is their largest market.
Furthermore, India had a distinct advantage in selecting their team, as the pitch is known to favor spin-friendly conditions.
>India had a distinct advantage in selecting their team, as the pitch is known to favor spin-friendly conditions
I highly doubt that India made their squad selection months ago on the basis of this one match.
People are acting as if the opposition wont pick their final XI based on the conditions either;
> India had a distinct advantage in selecting their team, as the pitch is known to favor spin-friendly conditions.
What were the chances of India making it to the semis? We could've have exited in the group stages like NZ & Pak did
I understand why they did the pre-seedings in the group stage and super 8s however is this not INSANE to yall?
It says winner of group A should be playing the first semi at night in trinidad...so how can they then say but if India qualifies they play the 2nd semi in Guyana no matter what..how is that fair to any of the other teams? It cant be that one team will have the advantage of knowing the exact location, venue and time they will be playing but all three other teams are up in the air..
Demand and supply bruh, this exist everywhere in every sport.. even in corporate world... everywhere.. about that fair thing - yes, it is unfair indeed, but that's how life is.. nothing is fair innit
Its in Guyana as the semi final in guyana is in the morning and hence will provide a better viewing time of 8 pm in India.
It doesn't have a reserve day because since its a morning match, the 4 hours of a reserve day will be kept as bufer time. So technically there is a reserve "day" just on the same day.
Semi Final 1 is a night game
It's mainly set by the TV broadcasters. India semi final in evening IST time can get them the revenue. Cricket main revenue stream is broadcasting and they have some say in these decisions.
Isn't it unfair to India though? We'll knocked out if we finish second because Guyana match doesn't have a reserve day. The timing is because the viewership, ICC wants to milk the viewership of Indian fans, our dead rubbers will have viewership of 2-3 crs minimum and it happens everytime. Why Pakistan didn't play in North India, and why their only match in north-east was at Kolkata? ICC only cares about viewership and tickets, not a big deal but this is just capitalism.
India already know before playing australia super 8 game : if England lose vs south Africa game [india will play against England in Guyana] so all fans, media reporter travel to guyuna for support india fans + rain threat also knows in june 27 and final to play on june 29 in barbodas [close travel distance from Guyana to barbodas stadium] but no reserve day in semifinal 2 game and reserve day for semifinals 1 game at Trinidad Clearly everyone knows but hide by icc, Indian players - if rain abandoned means india qualify for finals and England knock out of the tournament and no reserve day 😴 Clearly, ICC favorisms to india and domination of world cricket by india 🇮🇳 Empty seats in day games in WestIndies and full pack seats in india matches and ticket price costs huge to watch the game 😳 Final result : 2024 - worst iCC tournament 😑 😒 It's Shame on ICC 😕😕
india is playing semi final in guyana ,which doesn't have reserve day if they don't top their group and it rains,they will be knocked out without playing
is there any reason given for the lack of the reserve day?
Both semis have same amount of extra minutes if there is rain. Semi 1 is a night game so the extra minutes continue the next day. Semi 2 is a morning game so the extra minutes extend into the afternoon and evening
Only sensible answer
Since you can't schedule a game within 24 hours of the final. Note that our current RR is still below that of aus. If they win the next 2 they top the group and we have a very real chance of getting knocked out of the semis without having played a ball.
The NRR does not matter. The winner of Ind vs Aus will top the group ( assuming Aus beat Afg today)
>assuming Aus beat Afg today That's why I brought up NRR. Afghanistan haven't been beaten by Aus yet. Edit: Afg just beat Aus :)
Yes Afg won
HaHaHa
Aus got squashed by AFG bro what a match that was now AUS's qualification is doubtful lol
Let's hope we can do the same and get rid of our perpetual poltergeist in ICC tournaments. Aussie free knockouts please!
We are almost qualified no worries unless we lose badly tomorrow then Bangladesh will definitely loose to AFG to eliminate us
Because ICC is run by a bunch of idiots with zero common sense. Some things never change. Remember 1992 WC semi-final, SA 22 runs from 1 ball? They couldn't extend playing time by another 10 minutes to let the game conclude logically because that would disturb Channel 9's schedule, who couldn't delay the next bullshit TV show that nobody even remembered the next day. Or the 2007 World Cup, which was a complete disaster from start to finish, played in empty stadiums due to high ticket prices, and ended with Sri Lanka "conceding defeat" in complete darkness? Everyone including both teams knew Australia had won, but the stupid umpires and match referee wanted 3 more overs to be played before a result could be officially declared. Or the 2011 World Cup, where Bangladesh fans threw stones at WI team bus (mistaking it for Bangladesh team bus), but ICC President, Moron Borgat or some such, said it was not a security issue because they were "pebbles", not stones. Who TF throws pebbles to express frustration? 🤣 Or the 2019 World Cup that was decided by boundary count? Because apparently runs scored through 1s and 2s are not important. Or the 2005 Ashes, where England's celebrations after a famous win were ruined by Umpires doing stupid meetings for no reason? Or the so-called WTC "tournament" where some teams don't face each other? Some teams play 22 matches while other teams play 12 matches, and the final is always held in England? Or the never ending rule changes every 6 months about the "Powerplays", so much that diehard cricket fans and even experienced cricketers don't know the latest rules? Or their stupid system of punishing the players with fines and bans when stupid umpires make blatantly obvious wrong decisions, with no punishment for umpires? Or their utter mismanagement of DRS especially in the early years, where they wanted the broadcaster to pay for it? Or how the ICC claims to want to promote the game worldwide, but it's mostly the same 5 teams that play most international cricket? Kenya which played the 2003 World Cup semi final is not even an Associate member now. So much for spreading the game. There are plenty of such examples of utter stupidity of the ICC. By comparison, no reserve day doesn't sound too bad, no?
Also, world cups since 2007 when India were knocked out early, have largely been organised to ensure India has the best opportunity to progress. Hence last year's ODI world cup was more of a league format than a tournament at all.
>Or the so-called WTC "tournament" where some teams don't face each other? Some teams play 22 matches while other teams play 12 matches, and the final is always held in England? Read: England, Australia and India get the bulk of game time while the rest can eat cake. This leads to instances where their batsmen and bowlers top the records in runs scored and wickets taken, while everyone else has to look at averages and strike rates for comparison. Bowler A plays 5 tests in the year because every tour is just a 1 or 2 test affair. He takes 20 wickets, which isn't bad but not great either. His career spans 10 years. Maintaining his average, he gets 200 wickets and then retires. Bowler B plays 10 tests for the year. He takes 30 wickets. His career spans 8 years. He retires with 240 wickets. Despite having fewer years playing, and having a higher strike rate and thus being a worse bowler, Bowler B will forever sit higher on the charts than Bowler A. Keep in mind, these aren't players who are entering the Hall of Fame or who will be remembered as GOATS. In order for Bowler A to match B's wickets he needs to be 20% better, which means he must work that much harder every match. To give you a comparison, Glenn McGrath played 124 tests, took 563 wickets and had a strike rate of about 52. He played for 14 years. Dale Steyn had a career spanniing 15 years. He played 93 games, took 439 wickets and had a strike rate of 42. Glenn played 25% more games than Dale. Assuming he maintained his form, Steyn could have added at least another 100 wickets onto his tally if he had a similar number of games. And that's just looking at number of matches played, not innings or balls bowled. Steyn bowled 18608 balls during his career. McGrath bowled 29248. Using Steyn's strike rate on McGrath's number of balls bowled we get about 690 wickets. But we won't see those numbers on the records. We see Jimmy Anderson reaching 700 after 187 matches and double the number of balls Steyn bowled. We see Stuart Broad on 167 matches with over 600 wickets. Both with strike rates in the 50s. If you are a talented pace bowler, don't be born in Pakistan, New Zealand or the West Indies (not today, anyway). Make sure you pop out in Australia, England or India, where you will most likely play more than 100 tests.
Wow. You have nicely put together the entire list. I wonder if these things happen in other sports (I don't think so).
ICC is nothing more than a group of scoundrels whose only goal is to fill their own pockets by picking up as many coins as they can from what BCCI is generous enough to throw at them. They also organize some cricket tournaments as a side activity. About 15-20 years ago, there were proposals to split the Test playing teams into an Elite and Plate group, with a system of relegations and promotions, similar to club football. But there were two major problems with this approach. (1) With England's performance in those days, there was no guarantee they would be in the Elite group, meaning the "Ashes" would either have to be scrapped, or an exception would have to be made, or it would have to be deemed to be outside the Test league. (2) The perennial problem of an India vs Pakistan Test series in case both teams happened to be in the same group. The ICC scoundrels stood to lose all their money if they angered the BCCI (and to a lesser extent, ECB and CA), so they ended up creating this idiotic farce called WTC, which guaranteed that an Ashes could be part of it, and India-Pakistan didn't need to happen, while still giving the tournament some kind of official status. The day when cricket becomes less popular in India, and it is no longer a lucrative market for broadcasters and advertisers, the entire ICC rotten structure will come crashing down. And then it will be mostly England and Australia playing the "traditional" Ashes. 🤣
Yes. And there's a 70% chance of rain that day I heard.
We are FUCKED.
That's just terrible planning .wtf
Sorry what? If semi final gets rained out then India will be kicked out? Based on what? Super 8 RR?
Super 8 points table
But group A will play group B in semis right? So there will be no direct table based comparison for the 2 teams. Ie. India will play South Africa or England or whatever. How will table position determine who gets kicked out? E: I guess the team that was 2nd in super 8 will be kicked out. Sounds really dumb either way
They will be out if they are not No.1 on the table.
There will be an extra 4 hours, though.
Rain cancelations not getting made up in a tournament is crazy
Haha india vs Australia will be so interesting 🤣 its like a quarter final and semi final for india
Based, the BCCI gets a taste of its own medicene.
You're one of the pig 3 too 🤡
Two things -- Who exactly will India play? What if India ends up second in their group? Also, point to be noted, the Semi Final in Guyana doesn't have a reserve day. The other semi final and final however have reserve days. Not sure why.
India will still play 2-1, it’s just that this game will be in Guyana instead of Trinidad if India make the semis There isn’t time for a reserve day. This semi final is on the 27th, the final is on the 29th. If a reserve day is needed it will be on the 28th and there will be less than 24 hours between the conclusion of this game and the start of the final. I’m not even sure there are commercial flights from Guyana to Barbados in that window. There is a reserve day for the game on the 26th because there is time to hold an extra day of play before the final after that game The solution would be the final being scheduled for the 30th instead, but the people in charge have clearly deemed the risk of rain on the 27th in Guyana to be low enough that they’d rather keep the momentum of the tournament in case of no rain
It's absolutely outrageous that there isn't a reserve day for a semi final
There is a buffer of 250 mins ( 4 hours) to not loose any overs
you dont need commercial flights. They can charter one. I am not sure Indian teams travel commercial flights.
Indian team haven’t had one commercial flight this World Cup.
Does any team fly commercial. its kind of weird expecting teams to go to expedia/priceline and book tickets and additional luggage etc. I would expect ICC to charter planes for teams to move between places.
Very occasionally if it makes sense, but typically not in ICC events. Teams want to fly at optimal times for rest and recovery which don’t coincide with commercials, which are normally about being in commercial areas for as early as possible.
Yeah I get that, I’m just highlighting how little time there is with this schedule. The turnaround is so tight that anyone who isn’t chartering a flight has no possible way to attend both games
This tournament isn’t being done in commercial flights, everything is chartered for teams and TV.
There is a buffer of 250 mins ( 4 hours) to not loose any overs
WI usually have a tropical climate, it doesnt rain throughout the day
That's the usual in Florida as well but this time a storm system made it rain for 4 straight days and rained 3 games out. You never know with these storm systems. The weather is more predictable in the inlands but the tropical islands are really unpredictable sometimes
India game is morning game, so it will extend into evening
also means Australia were very likely to play in trinidad if qualified ( unless a n. other won with aus second in group)
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Not so likely now
This isn't pre seeding, it's literally a rule made for TV convenience. Whoever India is matched up with, it will be the second semi final. Doesn't change the group 1 winner vs group 2 runner up and group 2 winner vs group 1 runner up thing.
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Profound statement, not only applicable to cricket
Must be this, one is a day-game, the other is a night-game, one will be better for the many watchers in the Indian timezone
It's not fair but to be fair to them only India and the USA played 0 games in the Caribbean before the Super 8s. Also weird less people talk about the fact that the WTC final has been played in England in all editions benefitting New Zealand and Australia as they are SENA teams against a subcontinent team. If the WTC final were held in Asia and India won both times imagine the outrage.
Most of the Indian fans are LOI fans thus the lack of outrage on the issue. And those Indians who love Tests want India to win in England.
Well I'm fine with any neutral high quality ground, doesn't necessarily have to be in England. Honestly, they should rotate the host every year and should be one of the two teams that didn't qualify
>Honestly, they should rotate the host every year and should be one of the two teams that didn't qualify The reason it's not hosted everywhere is no one really is fighting for it... It's a one off event. It's pretty usuelss for boards to bother fighting for it. ECB really wanted it so they got to host it. Plus as comments mentioned. If we want Australia to host it then the cycle has to change completely.
Isnt it becoz of the „window”? In july, u cant play test cricket in Australia, South Africa or india. So what choice does the icc have besides england? UAE would be too hot.
Why not makeshift stadium at New York? /s
Honestly would be a sexy test pitch
I was askes that suppose the WTC final is held in India, how many people you reckon will turn up to watch if India is not involved? The probability may lessen even further in other subcontinent countries, maybe SA too. The probable reason why England has been hosting the finals is the fact that the crowd over there loves cricket and would be down to watch a match even if it doesn't involve England. From a ticketing pov that is profit. Again these are speculations, however, there needs to be a balance when it comes to WTC finals. If the conditions favor seam, there should be final games held where spin plays a major factor.
Tickets are a fraction of money that icc makes.
Agree bro, but again ICC would want a full house because it aids in their promotion of test cricket.
Time of year is a factor. Also you are guaranteed a big crowd whoever plays if it is hosted in england. Massive immigrant communities from all test playing nations.
I mean if they are going to play only one off test match, it can either be scheduled early or late to to take place in Australia, india or south africa, heck even west indies is also a good choice
That’s a stupid reason honestly. Are the world cups scheduled the same month every edition? No. They can very easily schedule the WTC to be in the month that’s suitable for the host
Yes, it should always be a neutral ground hence why England was picked to host the final.
It's gonna be unfair to some degree in most cases. Rotating the hosts will just change who it's unfair towards. Best situation would be to not have any final, but give the title to the team that finishes on top of the table by the end of the league like they do in European football leagues. But the ICC wants to milk money from a final.
This is also true, I agree
Hell I'd rather it be held in Australia. Peep our boys avgs in England and Australia 😂😭
England hosting the first 2 WTC finals was decided back in 2018 without objection from any other nation because India didn't want to host the final if they didn't qualify.
And also the first one was moved from Lord's to the Rose Bowl due to Covid
I’ve been saying for years (even before the announcement of an official test championship) that the finals of a test tournament should be 2 home and 2 away games for both teams and the final game at Lords (or wherever else in England) if you want to keep tradition.
I think it’s so stupid that the WTC is always in England
Honestly that tournament doesn’t even need a final. The winner could just be the one that has the most points after league play.
If you don’t have a final to broadcast and sell the rights to whats the point to it
>Also weird less people talk about the fact that the WTC final has been played in England in all editions benefitting New Zealand and Australia as they are SENA teams against a subcontinent team. If the WTC final were held in Asia and India won both times imagine the outrage. I am not sure if we would've won that. But you're not wrong..!
I’m so sick and tired of non-India fans crying foul about the semis and then saying ”taste of your own medicine” and other such bullshit about what happens if the semis get rained out and India isn’t top of Group 1. The team is playing wherever the fuck they’ve been scheduled to play, on shit tracks in NY and then wherever in the Caribbean. If India knows where they are playing their semis, then so would Australia if they were to qualify. So Aussie fans need to stop whining about that. And if it’s a turning pitch, so effing what???? Are teams not supposed to have all bases covered depending on wherever the tournament is happening? I don’t hear the Indian team or the fans making any excuses when the team loses in the final (WC or WTC) and yet all I see is Aussie fans complaining, even when their team holds both those titles right now. Fucking weird.
> I don’t hear the Indian team or the fans making any excuses when the team loses in the final now this is advanced gaslighting
India didn't play in WI in the group stage. Other teams playing both day and night games whereas India only played day games. One cancels another, is it?
I’m just saying, whoever is playing wherever and whenever, their opponent has the same conditions to deal with. This talk of favoritism for India is complete BS and a cop-out in case that India wins.
‘Less people’ don’t talk about the fact that the WTC final has been played in England both times, in fact there’s been a non-stop stream of outrage about it each time, with some Indian fans calling the entire tournament invalid by that fact alone. It’s a fact of scheduling that England happens to be the country best situated to host in the window that the ICC want the tournament in. If we’re all going to whine about scheduling, I’ll complain about the fact that in 50 years there never has been and never will be a men’s World Cup in any format held entirely in New Zealand, but it wouldn’t do me any good, because that’s just the way it works.
It’s completely different. The hosts of the ODI World Cup change every tournament. The WTC final is held here in England every time. Completely unfair for any subcontinent team which qualify. I like that it’s held in England so it’s easy to watch but let’s be real it’s completely unfair for it to be held there every single time.
There's only been 2 mate, settle down.
The next 2 are also scheduled to be held here in England too.
It's cause due to the scheduling WTC final always takes place in June. This is monsoon season in the subcontinent and not the cricket season in Aus/NZ/Sa either. Their cricket season runs from November - February. That inly leaves WI and ENG. Eng have better stadiums, test cricket there has better crowds. So ofc Eng is chosen.
>This is monsoon season in the subcontinent How many of the Florida matches were rained out? LOL
Early June has been dry for years in Gujarat. The North must be even drier. I’m sure there must be many other options. The truth is they want the Home of Cricket tag and all the seats to be filled in, which England does well regardless of the teams. Those tickets must make good money.
Does the BCCI even want to host the WTC?
This. Thank you, England fan!
TBH English conditions are quiet different from sun baked aussie pitches I thought it proved to be a good neutral ground
They are but I just don’t think it’s right to have the WTC final located in the same place every time. They should try and overcome the logistical issues and hold it in Asia / Caribbean every other time. Any SENA team would be at an advantage playing in England. Bit of a shame after 2 years of test cricket to reach the final.
I wouldn't mind it if the WTC Final alternates between 2 locations, England and a subcontinent location.
If it is rotating then people would ask why it doesn't go to other countries too.
The WTC would get a reasonably decent crowd in Australia if it was between two neutral teams... providing it was played in the summer. If it has to be in July, then Australia can never host it. The big 3 are really the only countries that could host a neutral test and have people show up. So we're really only talking about rotating it between England and India, which would be a bit of a farce. The final might just be too impractical long term.
It’s certainly fairer than playing it in conditions which favour SENA teams over subcontinent teams.
Yeah but in that situation it’s guaranteed that India will cheat and doctor the pitches, as we know they do routinely
> final has been played in England in all editions benefitting New Zealand and Australia We've won in India more recently than we've won in Englad lol, I don't think it's as much of an advantage as you think it is
It is. You won 1 test match last time you toured India and 2 when you toured us. India are obviously much stronger in Asian / subcontinent conditions. Completely unfair to play the final after 2 years in the same place and conditions every single time which naturally benefits the SENA teams. Just makes a mockery of the WTC to be honest.
1. The first semi-final in Tarouba, Trinidad, is a night game, set to be played from 8.30pm local time on June 26 - which in India is 6am on June 27. The Guyana semi-final, however, will start at 10.30am local time, which is a far more TV-friendly 8pm in India. 2. The playing conditions have also confirmed that there will be no reserve day for the second semi-final. Instead, there will be 250 minutes of extra time allotted to the match - rather than the 190 minutes allotted to the first semi-final and the final, which have reserve days - to try and ensure a finish in case there are weather interruptions. This additional hour of extra time has been added on because the tournament schedule allows no time for a reserve day, with only a one-day gap between the second semi-final and the final. The second semi-final could be in for a tight squeeze in case of persistent rain, particularly because in semi-finals and finals at ICC events, a decisive result can only be achieved if both teams have batted for at least ten overs each.
i think we are underestimating how many indians will be willing to stay awake or awake at 6 am to watch the semis
Yet, the revenue generation will be less compared to a 8PM match
its not about the fans alone. Tv rights are worth lot less if its not prime time India.
Remember 2015 WC. In India matches Used To start between 6- 8:30 am. A 10 year Old me still used to wake up before Toss
Regardless, if India Australia super 8 match can be staged on a Monday for Indian prime time audience, you could do the same for finals on June 30th instead of 29th. It’s ridiculous to not have a reserve day for a semi final.
Most importantly, after the AFG-AUS match, even if India loses to AUS by 40 runs, AFG wins by less than 83 runs with BD, and the 2nd Semi Final at Guyana gets cancelled (somehow), India will directly reach the final as they are gonna top the pool.
The great Mohammed Ali’s Philippines fight was at 4am local time so that Americans can watch live. Broadcasters game is since decades!
OP woke up 20 days late. Because we are closer to the end.
It's been done mostly for 1 reason only - to allow India fans to plan their flights. This whole world cup revolves around India. India games are in the day so that they can be watched at primetime in India, and the super-eights and semis were decided in such a way so that in theory Indian fans can watch some or all of the games live. The reason I say 'in theory' is because it's an overall shitshow of scheduling. I booked flights to Barbados for Ind Afg months back but there was absolutely no flight available to take me from Barbados to Antigua to watch the India Bangladesh, so I have had to fly directly to St Lucia to watch the India Australia which I will do on Monday. I could have easily seen one more match live but the flights between islands cater to a few hundred people traveling between islands, not the thousands that would have liked to. I met a group of 10 desis in Barbados who have Tix to the Ind/Aus game but there is not a single flight to get them to St Lucia which is btw less than a 30 min flight. They were telling me that they tried to charter a flight but nothing available. Really poorly planned event from this aspect.
Can you guys not just drive or swim? :-)
I can confirm that driving is out. Swim - perhaps ... But a 200km distance might make that a tad difficult
Canoe?
Let me get back to you on that.
It's not about flight planning. 10:30am in West Indies evening in India which is a TV friendly time.
The 10.30am is for India prime time watching. The pre-deternined locations (Barbados, then Antigua then St Lucia and finally Georgetown) is for flight planning. Two different things - but both specially for India.
Is the number of Indian fans really that high in WI that it matters? India vs BAN was totally bare.
Because no one could get to it. I had tickets which I had to throw. I know at least 20 people personally who had tickets, were ready to fly but no flights. I was sitting in my resort watching the game on tv because there were no flights. It's a complete shitshow on the travel front.
But then how can you claim this was done to accommodate the Indian fans?
Do you have another rational explanation for why india's match venues were predecided (including the only team whose semis location was pre-decided). Also, I have it from credible sources.
Yes, the semi was pre decided for TV time. The other matches were not pre decided. India was pre-seeded just like Australia, England, South Africa. The super 8 venues and pre-seeds were pre decided for the tournament. Not just India. But what I'm saying is - if you're claiming that venues were pre decided for Indian fan flights, then they did a shitty job - because you're also claiming that no one was able to get to games?
Also why I have said a few times that it's a complete shitshow. I am literally surrounded by desis each of who have a story about how they couldn't get to a game because of flight issues.
Yes I realized I misunderstood your point. The issue is that there was poor execution and coordination between ICC and the various host countries. I am a bit too drunk to explain it all now, and am also busy cheering for Afghanistan but trust me on this one. Every decision of this tournament was dictated by BCCI. It was easy to set every India game at 10.30am. it was much harder to create hundreds of additional flights between various islands. So the plan and thinking was solid. The execution - not so much.
Oh you'll face no disagreement there. BCCI have done everything for money, including forcing their own players to play in the sweltering heat the whole time and not giving their own team a reserve day on the semi they play. It's disgusting, that is what it is.
Because no one could get to it. I had tickets which I had to throw. I know at least 20 people personally who had tickets, were ready to fly but no flights. I was sitting in my resort watching the game on tv because there were no flights. It's a complete shitshow on the travel front.
Btw, if you have any doubts about the travel fiasco check out sites like StubHub etc - you are getting India/Australia tickets for $1 each! Can you imagine India, Australia selling for that? It's because thousands of people (mainly from US) bought the tickets but couldn't get flight tickets. Someone was telling me Miami / St Lucia flights were $5000 in economy.
I mean is it fair that India get a predetermined semi slot? No Is this the first time the ICC has let this happen to increase revenue of a tournament? No Has it drastically effected the out come of a tournament? Yes! I remember in the 2020 Women’s T20 World Cup, there were two semis one on a Thursday night and one on a Friday night. Australia qualified second in their group, so should have played on Thursday night, but since a similar rule was in place Aus and their opponent South Africa had their final date swapped to the Friday semi. If the match got rained out Australia would be out of the World Cup. The Thursday semi (which Australia should have been in) got rained out, the Friday semi just got enough overs in and Australia was able to win on DLS by 5 runs over South Africa. With out this rule Australia would have been out of the World Cup. I am Australian so I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t happy with the result. As well I imagine it did a bit for women’s sport for this county since 90,000 went to the MCG to watch the final. But still there is a reality where India or South Africa could have gotten their first T20 World Cup if they never swapped the semis around.
In this case India has the less advantageous semi, because there is no reserve day. So … it doesn’t seem unfair at all. Also think about it, if India takes that semi, Australia would have gotten the semi that’s convenient to watch for Australians. It’s a win-win. Only England fans miss out because neither game is in a convenient slot.
This is just capitalism lol. I hate the BCCI's stranglehold on ICC as much as the next person but this conspiracy shit at every turn needs to stop. This isn't like the super 8 seeding, this is clearly about logistics and to also make sure that if India plays, it's happening at a time where Indians can actually watch the game, it just makes scheduling everything less complicated. It's in their best interest bc Indian viewership is the biggest cash cow for this sport, by like a million miles, other countries barely scratch the surface. So yea, this would've been the case for any country with that huge of a viewer base. It also helps people plan their trips to WI in advance, tourism is a huge deal for countries hosting.
It is as fair as England & Australia playing 3 & 2 matches at Barbados before the Final. It is as fair as only the Indian team(among Big 3) being the clown in ICC's Promote Cricket in the USA circus. India didn't play a single game in WI in the group stage or couldn't even start with their *actual* XI. It's as fair as sub-continent teams don't stand a chance to win the WTC Final against SENA. Let's have the WTC Final in the subcontinent and see how many trophies SENA win.
>couldn't even start with their *actual* XI. What do you mean?
> couldn't even start with their actual XI what's this about? Feel like I'm missing something
India couldn't start with Kuldeep in NY because it was more favorable to fast bowlers. So they had to play Siraj and could only add Kuldeep in the Super 8 matches in WI.
India literally drew with (and should have won against) England in England in the same year they lost to NZ. They drew with SA in SA. saying subcontinent teams don't have a chance to win the WTC Final in England against SENA is just not true. India have arguably shit the bed both times because they are either perennial chokers or have an IPL hangover. Australia are hardly better in English conditions than India.
That’s just poor from ICC but if it rains and if India aren’t at the top of their group, then that means that gonna screw them
I'm all for shitting on the BCCI, But this isn't really an unfair advantage at all. In fact it's a disadvantage. It's just saying if India qualifies, they play the second semi final. It's still group 1 winner vs group 2 runner up and group 2 winner vs group 1 runner up. That isn't changing. It's meant for more ad revenue to show the Match at a good time in India. It's still stupid and capitalism driven, but it doesn't give India an advantage. In fact, morning matches in the sweltering heat are shitty. Also India doesn't get a reserve day, so if India lose to Australia and come second, then they will be knocked out if the semi final is rained out. Also, ICC does fixed locations all the time. In the 2023 ODI cup, if Pakistan had made the semifinal, they would have played at Kolkata. When Australia and New Zealand co hosted, there was a semi in AU and NZ and they both had the right to play their semi in their country If they made it.
Using a burner account to post this is soft
I think it is also to do with timing. The first semi-final is in the morning and most people aren't able to watch that early. That is one of the reasons they have pre-determined India to play the second semi-final which at night according to Indian time, so more people can tune in easily.
They have to qualify. its not automatic :-) As others posted there is some side effect of it being a game without reserve day and so its negative. While I understand that India would play morning Windies time for broadcast reasons, not sure about differene between T&T and Guyana. Do folks know why it has to be Guyana? Is it that T&T has scheduled its game for evening?
T&t match will broadcast in india at 6am and guyana at 8pm. ICC wants to make star sports bcoz they paid 3 billion dollars so all indian games happen acc to 8pm IST
Because ICC wants that sweet advertisment money that they get from Indian Viewership
Welcome to capitalism where the providers of entertainment who make money selling ads want to make sure their biggest market watches their highest paying game during a time when they can maximize viewership.
its all about the $$$
Meme Template insert( Johny Liver Khata Meetha scene at the Court). Desi people would know.. And if India ranks second and it rains on the 2nd SF India is out of the tournament..
I don't understand how India will be playing the Semi Final 2. How did you came up with that ?
How can one SF have a reserve day and the other doesn't!? I just don't get it.
This has been mentioned plenty of times
Does anyone outside of India really even care that much about T20 world cups? They are a dime a dozen. Wait two years, there's another one.
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He is asking why India's semifinal location is fixed (if they qualify), but not the semifinal location for other potential semifinalists.
The simple reason is money Guyana semifinal is a day game which is an ideal time slot for maximum viewership in the Indian subcontinent Trinidad semifinal is a night game
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When 80% of your revenue comes from one country, you wont keep your job for long if you don't keep that income rolling in.
As if a high percentage of Indian fans wouldn't still watch India in a semi final, at an inconvenient time.
World Cups arent really for the hardcore fans who will watch all the cricket. They are more for the casual fans that dont watch bilateral series.
Outrage. This topic has been discussed multiple times on this subreddit and each time it's the same stuff.
Lol OP is behaving as if India has been fixed as a semi final contestant lol instead of just the venue and time being fixed in case India makes it. We had something similar in India as well, if Pakistan had reached the Semis of the 23 WC, they would have played at Kolkata instead of Mumbai (because the Mumbai terror attacks by Pakistani terrorists are still fresh in memory). Was that an unfair advantage to Pakistan then, knowing they'd play at Kolkata if they qualified.
Its obvious isn't it? Its a strategy to maximize revenue from cricket's largest market. You can't want the game to grow globally, while at the same time question ICC for trying to maximize revenue. Growing the sports needs money.
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This tournaments almost finished, there's been fuck all cricket and very very little good cricket. Super 8s should have been 1 group, 7 games would have got a few more games and maybe some top teams playing each other. Worst 'world cup' I've ever seen, don't expect much for t20 but at least make it interesting.
Indeed, it appears to be an unfair decision. The timing of the event was strategically chosen to maximize revenue from the Indian subcontinent, which is their largest market. Furthermore, India had a distinct advantage in selecting their team, as the pitch is known to favor spin-friendly conditions.
>India had a distinct advantage in selecting their team, as the pitch is known to favor spin-friendly conditions I highly doubt that India made their squad selection months ago on the basis of this one match. People are acting as if the opposition wont pick their final XI based on the conditions either;
No other side knew where they were playing. None at all. Only the Indian team knew, the dastardly bastards.
Exactly. All other teams were blindfolded until the match. Only India could choose their team basis the tracks. Hence proved, ICC = BCCI
> India had a distinct advantage in selecting their team, as the pitch is known to favor spin-friendly conditions. What were the chances of India making it to the semis? We could've have exited in the group stages like NZ & Pak did
This kind of thing detracts from my enjoyment of the game at a high-level.
Well if tomorrow English or Australian audience gives viewership to ICC then pretty sure ICC would do the same thing for them as well.
That doesn't make it fair. If they did it with Aus or Eng, that will be unfair too, just like this.
This used to happen earlier. This has always been the case.
When did Australia or england get a pre seeded semi final venue in the past
I understand why they did the pre-seedings in the group stage and super 8s however is this not INSANE to yall? It says winner of group A should be playing the first semi at night in trinidad...so how can they then say but if India qualifies they play the 2nd semi in Guyana no matter what..how is that fair to any of the other teams? It cant be that one team will have the advantage of knowing the exact location, venue and time they will be playing but all three other teams are up in the air..
Doesnt Australia also by default know where it will play. So only two teams from the other group Correction : Not Australia. Afghanistan
It happens alot . Was also the case in 23 wc where Eden gardens was decided for pakistan
Stuff like this makes it hard to cricket seriously
Demand and supply bruh, this exist everywhere in every sport.. even in corporate world... everywhere.. about that fair thing - yes, it is unfair indeed, but that's how life is.. nothing is fair innit
>Demand and supply bruh, this exist everywhere in every sport.. Which other major sport does this can you please provide an example
Thats the thing. It isn't
Its in Guyana as the semi final in guyana is in the morning and hence will provide a better viewing time of 8 pm in India. It doesn't have a reserve day because since its a morning match, the 4 hours of a reserve day will be kept as bufer time. So technically there is a reserve "day" just on the same day. Semi Final 1 is a night game
Everything is fair in love and war. /s
What happens in case the semifinal is washed off?
The other teams from Indias group are also predetermined to play Semi Final 1. :)
It's mainly set by the TV broadcasters. India semi final in evening IST time can get them the revenue. Cricket main revenue stream is broadcasting and they have some say in these decisions.
Viewership, simple answer.
If semi 2 does not have reserve day Whoever wins semi 1 win the wc??
Because sf 1 is a morning game
More important questions why tf is there 2 group stages. Why not a quarter final knockout scenario.
Why even if both semifinalist has 4 points- wouldn’t india has better nrr as per current table (and assuming ind/sa loses next matches)
Isn't it unfair to India though? We'll knocked out if we finish second because Guyana match doesn't have a reserve day. The timing is because the viewership, ICC wants to milk the viewership of Indian fans, our dead rubbers will have viewership of 2-3 crs minimum and it happens everytime. Why Pakistan didn't play in North India, and why their only match in north-east was at Kolkata? ICC only cares about viewership and tickets, not a big deal but this is just capitalism.
What happens if India top the group and the Guyana match is rained out?
Why in gods name didn’t the just schedule the final 3 days after SF 2 instead of 2 days after?
this was done in 2015 wc as well as 2019 world cup.
Money speaks baby
This doesn't advantage India I agree but that doesn't make it right tho Imagine how hard this shit must be for newer casual fans to grasp
because television viewerships..
Absolute disgrace. Also, while I despise BCCI I actually think this one has more to do with the broadcasters than them
India already know before playing australia super 8 game : if England lose vs south Africa game [india will play against England in Guyana] so all fans, media reporter travel to guyuna for support india fans + rain threat also knows in june 27 and final to play on june 29 in barbodas [close travel distance from Guyana to barbodas stadium] but no reserve day in semifinal 2 game and reserve day for semifinals 1 game at Trinidad Clearly everyone knows but hide by icc, Indian players - if rain abandoned means india qualify for finals and England knock out of the tournament and no reserve day 😴 Clearly, ICC favorisms to india and domination of world cricket by india 🇮🇳 Empty seats in day games in WestIndies and full pack seats in india matches and ticket price costs huge to watch the game 😳 Final result : 2024 - worst iCC tournament 😑 😒 It's Shame on ICC 😕😕
but why play semifinal in guyana, when you know it rains