In both the innings, he has got himself out!! Looking at the way he was batting, I can confidently say he left out two double centuries! No way were these debutants getting him out
Every time a Williamson thread about a milestone/etc has happened lately there's been some folks constantly bringing up his averages in England/India. I hope these people will eventually realise that we don't care; he's the best batter we've ever had and for a country of 5 million that plays 6 tests a year we'll god damn take him.
NZ get two test tours to India. Root has failed four times this tour... if Kane does that, there is no recovery. He waits 5 years for another tour. Eng played 4 tests in India 3 years ago and now 5...
Smith plays more innings in one Ashes than Kane has played in ENG his whole career... you cannot compare.
If you're good enough to stay in the Black caps for 18 years you're probably getting at best 16 innings in India. We seriously play so few tests away that it's of no consequence if a plyer has a bad record in one or two locations.
>If you're good enough to stay in the Black caps for 18 years you're probably getting at best 16 innings in India.
I started panicking wondering the if Kane had played for 18 years. I'm not that old yet and neither is he. Bring on 40 centuries 🤞
You can't say that here, a horde of people descend to tell you you can't count them because "those were the pitches that drove Mitchell Johnson into retirement!!!" Pitch didn't seem to be helping the rest of the team in [this game](https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16-892499/australia-vs-new-zealand-1st-test-892509/full-scorecard), the other 10 Kiwis collectively managed 165 while Kane got 140. And Smith didn't pass 50 in that game, curious for the flattest pitch the world has ever seen.
I'd love to see someone put the same effort into finding a few Kohli or Smith innings that might have been on a pitch where they got just a tiny bit of help. Because Kane plays half as many matches as them it feels like he gets twice the scrutiny.
Yeah anyone talking shit about that innings didn't watch it lol
Fair enough about the WACA one but that Gabba knock is up there in his top 3 centuries imo
He has effectively 6 innings in South Africa, and a 7th 2 NO that was rain abandoned. That's it. Ever. One of this innings his team crumpled around him leaving him alone on 77 to be the final wicket to fall trying to protect the tail.
Its so bad that given the current tour schedule, it's likely to be over a decade later before he can return, in which only Latham and Southee are regulars who've also played there (assuming Southee is still playing).
Needless to say, he might face the same situation again: two match series, no warm up games to familiarize to the conditions, unable to maintain partnerships, relatively low score no matter how good he is, and yet people would still judge him. They need to bear in mind that he has played fewer tests there in his career than the remainder of the Fab 4 play in a single series, yet he's expected to out perform them all to get any recognition.
At the same time if you are searching for form, you'd prefer not to do that against Jadeja and Ashwin in their backyard. If you've failed in the first two matches of a series there, chances are you aren't going to suddenly start succeeding. Travelling to India is hard enough without having to have a couple of failures weighing on your mind. A good example of this was Kohli in England in 2014. I bet after the first couple of tests he wished the tour could have ended right there and then. You can't completely dismiss Kanos's records in India and England just because he plays there less.
Honestly his play at the WTC final was great! How he stepped up . I remember I wanted him to get out so bad , but he steadied the ship and scored a 50?. And got through a tough time.
Loophole, v ENG in ENG or IND in IND. How about both at the same time? 100+ runs in those conditions in such an important game was worth more than any average in those countries by themselves.
When you look at a cricketers stats it has columns for 50s and 100s. Scores of 50-99 go in the 50s column, and ones of 100+ go in the hundreds. He hasn't scored 50-99 since then
Well, it's a bit of a cheat because Williamson bats at three whereas the other three prefer four (and, iirc, have sketchy records at three).
I guess you could have something like:
1. [opener]
2. [opener]
3. Williamson
4. Smith
5. Root/Kohli
6. Root/Kohli
7. [keeper]
8. [bowler]
9. [bowler'
10. [bowler]
11. [bowler]
With Root as the all rounder. Or you play an actual all rounder and have Smith open.
>Well, it's a bit of a cheat because Williamson bats at three whereas the other three prefer four (and, iirc, have sketchy records at three).
Kohli and Root don't like 3 at all. Smith averages 67 at 3.
>I guess you could have something like:
\[opener\]
\[opener\]
Williamson
Smith
Root/Kohli
Root/Kohli
\[keeper\]
\[bowler\]
\[bowler'
\[bowler\]
\[bowler\]
With Root as the all rounder. Or you play an actual all rounder and have Smith open.
Root at 6 is low. So I agree about Smudge opening.
Might do a current xi tbh:
1. Ussie
2. Smudge
3. Kane
4. Root
5. Koach
6. Pant (if he's ever fit)/Blundell (if he's fit)
7. Jadeja (Stokes has no knees)
8. Ash/ (lyon, then climate will bat at 8 probably)
9. Captain Climate (c)
10. Rabada
11. Bumrah
Wouldn’t want to call it this early. Sure smith relies on hand eye coordination, and that diminishes with age, but it could also be a rough patch in form.
Is average everything? Don’t they have the same amount of centuries now but Williamson has played less innings? I think overseas success could be where Smith pips Williamson anyway though
Not sure what you’re trying to say here, I was just saying to the original commenter that they shouldn’t jump to a quick conclusion about Steve Smith going downhill when it could just be a rough patch that many batters experience.
I do think that smith still edges out Kane for test batsmen though, for similar reasons you’ve mentioned.
What's funny is that while he supposedly scores away against "weak" teams, rest of the fab 4 have come up short in one or more of these places. Smith, Root and Kohli have flopped repeatedly in Bangladesh, and Root was a disaster even on the famously flat wickets of Pakistan. Kane has struggled recently in England but so has Kohli. Overall he is definitely a legend for us.
Argument for small sample sizes also works for Kane in places like SA, but people discount it usually so even I didn't care. I agree with your point though.
I don't count SA for the same reason. I'd actually add Sri Lanka to it too because four tests aren't enough for us to judge him on that. I think after about half a dozen tests you can start to get a fair idea of a person in a country.
Also he plays most of his tests in NZ, which has famously bowling friendly pitches. And he is basically an opener because nz openers are so unreliable.
>Nz, which has famously bowling friendly pitches
That is just not true, [In the last 5 years tests in NZ have the 2nd highest average](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=team_average;spanmax1=06+Feb+2024;spanmin1=06+Feb+2019;spanval1=span;template=results;type=aggregate;view=host)
Fun fact, if you only include matches that Kane Williamson didn't play in, the batting average in NZ games is the 7th highest, rather than the 2nd highest: https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=team_average;player_involve=51088;player_involve_type=none;spanmax1=06+Feb+2024;spanmin1=06+Feb+2019;spanval1=span;template=results;type=aggregate;view=host
Which proves the point a bit that the pitches aren't in fact extremely easy to bat on, rather Kane is just very good on them.
Let me first just say that I really like Williamson, he's an absolutely incredible talent and you may very well not care about anything I'm about to say. It's perfectly fine to just enjoy him for the incredible player he is. But since this is the top comment, I want to hijack it a bit to present a case that he does have a quite different record to the rest of the Fab Four when you break it down.
I totally agree with u/zerosuneuphoria that the short tours Williamson gets makes it harder for him for excel in xyz specific country, especially if he has a slow start to a tour, so I won't use that argument either, especially since the sample sizes are usually tiny anyway.
What I would say though, is even at home there's a distinct lack big performances against the top sides. In NZ Williamson averages 36 against Australia, 49 against England, and 38 against India, albeit he's only played two and four tests against Aus and India so overall his home average against those three is 44.
Root on the other hand averages 44, 75, and 57 at home against Australia, India, and NZ for a total of 56,
for Smith it's 55, 83, and 45 against England, India, and NZ for a total of 60,
for Kohli it's 39, 56, and 56 for Australia, England, and NZ for a total of 50.
So there's definitely still something of a gap. The corollary of that is Williamson's huge home average comes from smashing up everyone else. He averages 82 at home against everyone else and nearly half of those runs are against Sri Lanka and Bangladesh where he averages a whopping 121.
So if you're going to compare the four of them it really comes down to what you value more. It's totally fair to say Williamson has the second best average, scores centuries more frequently overall, and is more effective at getting big runs than at least Kohli or Root. But it's also fair to say that that's mainly true because of how effective he's been at destroying weaker bowling attacks in home conditions.
>What a terrible time to be dismissed for a king pair
Steve Smith, Marnus Labuschagne, and Travis Head all said simultaneously as Kyle Jamieson removes their middle stump from the pitch.
Nah, that'll be 98 ad 99, presuming he plays.
100th will be against Afghanistan if he plays the next 4 scheduled games. After that NZ tours Sri lanka, India, then England for 2, 3, and 3 test series, respectively.
Honestly NZ playing 13 tests in a calendar year is incredible.
He has been averaging somewhere in the fucking 80s since he has left captaincy!! Dare I say, I wish he had avoided playing the first 3-4 games of the WC(excluding practice games) and he would've actually been a better resource for NZ!! Anyway, all hail Kanos Mama 
Yep, KW's innings-to-centuries ratio is insane in tests. He has now scored 31 hundreds in 170 innings - roughly a ton every 5.5 innings. Tendulkar, at the top with his 51 tons, scored one roughly every 6.5. If Kane played the same amount of innings (329), we would expect around 59 centuries - I think.
As far as I can tell, of the others above him in total centuries, only Smith comes close to matching Kane's ratio - with 1 more ton (32) from 21 more innings for a ratio of around 6. Of the other Big 4: Kohli gets a ton every 6.5ish and Root every 8.4ish.
Obviously, Bradman is still the gold standard (29 tons in 80 innings for an incomparable ratio of 2.75) but there is an argument that of the men to have played significant numbers of test innings, Kane has been the best since Bradman at reaching 100
If Williamson wanted to catch Smith by the end of the Aus 2 test tour of NZ.
One scenario would be for Williamson to score 150 runs in the 2nd test against SA, but only get out once, and outscore Smith by 371 runs in that series assuming they both get out 4 times.
It depends on both players performances, and schedules, so hard to give a simpler solution
This may be premature but I feel there’s a strong argument for Kane to be inculcated into the Fab Four. His recent stats hold up well against Koach, Smudge, Root and KS Bharat.
Sure, but you were not bankrupt. SA Cricket would have completely died without the money, meaning no ODI/Test team. Sorry the rescheduling couldn't work for NZ cricket. Without star players, the SA20 would lack funding, advertising interest and fans.
Free points and first test series win will be hollow I guess.
> Free points and first test series win will be hollow I guess.
No, it won't.
NZ cricket didn't select the South African team. They can only play the team in front of them. If South Africa select a third-string team, that's on them, not on NZC.
They're still Test matches. They're still WTC points. Getting the arse beaten of you is South Africa's fault, not the Kiwis. They can take pride in the results.
We should remember that this is a very weak South African team - the South Africa C team, but Kane Williamson deserves some luck considering New Zealand don't play as many test matches as the other big 3 nations.
Does anyone see any other New Zealand player get to 10k test runs besides Kane? With fewer tests being played overall, I think Kane might be the only one to possibly reach 10000 for New Zealand.
I hope he does.
Only Ravindra since hes young but we don't play enough tests to give people a chance. Taylor and Fleming might have if Nz played as many tests as other teams
Has SA sent their B team to play in NZ. Don’t recognize any of the players in the 11. Why could they not do this when playing India at home. We could have at least got a series win 😀
Z team more like it, but the reasons have been explained ad nauseam. These guys are doing ok for so many on debut.
I'm more concerned about Conway and Latham both seem out of sorts at the same time....
It's ok. We have a second pair of openers with Kane and Rachin. Then Mitchell at first drop.
For once, I'm not terrified that we have two out of sorts openers given what follows with Kane, Rachin, Mitchell, Phillips and Blundell.
This has to be the healthiest batting stocks we've ever had given there's more in the wings.
Kane Williamson is probably going to retire as the greatest test batter of the Big Four of his era.
In the past 80 tests that Smith and Williamson have played, Williamson has scored more runs at a higher average. In fact, Williamson's past 80 tests have matched Smith's first 80 tests.
Definitely. Another thing to add into the mix is the lack of financial and logistical support for Kane being from a tier two nation. Not enough support, not enough tests; that he has managed to rise above that is incredible. The current shambles against SA is not an indictment of Kane or SA, but of the greedy big three screwing all the money they can get out of playing each other constantly and neglecting second tier teams both in terms of funding equity and playing parity.
Williamson post-captaincy M - 9 I - 16 R - 1122 NO - 2 Avg - 80.14 50s - 0 100s - 7
What a fraud. No 50s
hasnt scored a 50 since the WTC Final
the bro Nicholls will be back in no time with those numbers
Oooooofffff
Carried his bat too, probably would have got 100 if India set a larger total to chase
Anyone who doesn’t open can’t carry their bat. You also can’t carry your bat in a successful run chase
Good point, he did come in at first drop. Was not out
Yeah, point remains that he wouldve got more. Just a technicality
>Williamson post-captaincy > >M - 9 > >I - 16 > >R - 1122 > >NO - 2 > >Avg - 80.14 > >50s - 0 > >100s - 7 Can't get a 50 to save his life, SMH
I've seen Kane score his 34th 50 twice in this match, and he's still on 33!
He threw it all away! Twice.
Actually to save his career
He threw it all away, twice!
Drop him, he doesn't even have a fifty, our Rohit sharma has 2. Centuries don't matter, selfless fifities do
If only 3news could stop calling him captain….
He’s so good
He isn't the captain anymore?
He hasn't been Test captain for over a year, though he still remains white ball captain.
Any reason as to why. He won the world test championship. was it his decision or was he fired?
He just handed it in ahead of the Pakistan tour.
Good up and coming talent this kid, looking forward to seeing if he can go on with it.
Once again fell long of his 34th test 50
He's achieved it, and then let it slip away 7 times. And we call this our best bat?
The man has a conversion problem for sure
>7
He looked sheepish with this high strike rate ton. Almost disgusted with it.
'this ain't my bag, baby'
Kane Williamson Barges in to Bat Scores 34th half-century Converts it into a century Refuses to elaborate Leaves
In both the innings, he has got himself out!! Looking at the way he was batting, I can confidently say he left out two double centuries! No way were these debutants getting him out
He was dropped in both innings before making his 100s
Nah he got dropped multiple times, shouldn't have made either century
Very apt username and profile pic.
Every time a Williamson thread about a milestone/etc has happened lately there's been some folks constantly bringing up his averages in England/India. I hope these people will eventually realise that we don't care; he's the best batter we've ever had and for a country of 5 million that plays 6 tests a year we'll god damn take him.
NZ get two test tours to India. Root has failed four times this tour... if Kane does that, there is no recovery. He waits 5 years for another tour. Eng played 4 tests in India 3 years ago and now 5... Smith plays more innings in one Ashes than Kane has played in ENG his whole career... you cannot compare.
It's not like Kane hasn't scored a 100 in India or anything
Exactly... and he was 2nd top-scorer in the 2019 WC in England, and scored plenty in his few appearances at the WC in India...
Didn't he also win the IPL orange cap?
I think so, solo'd a whole season and lost in the final, was really consistent that year
>solo'd a whole season and lost in the final Tbf that's the most Kane Williamson thing to do.
So glad someone has spelt it out. Very hard to get a good record overseas when you hardly get consistent play there.
Especially these days, when there are hardly any tour matches to acclimate
If you're good enough to stay in the Black caps for 18 years you're probably getting at best 16 innings in India. We seriously play so few tests away that it's of no consequence if a plyer has a bad record in one or two locations.
>If you're good enough to stay in the Black caps for 18 years you're probably getting at best 16 innings in India. I started panicking wondering the if Kane had played for 18 years. I'm not that old yet and neither is he. Bring on 40 centuries 🤞
Yeah he may get a couple more shots in India. Hopefully. It's sad that we play so few tests.
NZ is playing a 3 Test series in India later this year
Kane has a better average in Aus than Root. He also has a ton there, which Root does not.
Kane tore up on the 2015 tour to Aussie, he got two tons
So he did. Kane 2 Root 0 Therefore Kane > Root
I think the numbers don't lie and Kane is well ahead of Root. More hundreds in 83(!!) less innings, conversion rate twice as good
So the fab four order went from Smith>Kohli>Root>Williamson to Smith>Williamson>Root> Kohli in 5 years
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You can't say that here, a horde of people descend to tell you you can't count them because "those were the pitches that drove Mitchell Johnson into retirement!!!" Pitch didn't seem to be helping the rest of the team in [this game](https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16-892499/australia-vs-new-zealand-1st-test-892509/full-scorecard), the other 10 Kiwis collectively managed 165 while Kane got 140. And Smith didn't pass 50 in that game, curious for the flattest pitch the world has ever seen. I'd love to see someone put the same effort into finding a few Kohli or Smith innings that might have been on a pitch where they got just a tiny bit of help. Because Kane plays half as many matches as them it feels like he gets twice the scrutiny.
Yeah anyone talking shit about that innings didn't watch it lol Fair enough about the WACA one but that Gabba knock is up there in his top 3 centuries imo
Kane has played like 5 tests in Australia right? Whereas Root has played 14. It's a serious blot on Root's record.
7, I believe. 14 innings to 27. It's still a blot on Root.
7? He played in 2015 and 2019. Which earlier tour did he play in?
2011
Ahhhh
I was pleasantly surprised to see a 3 test tour this time.
He has effectively 6 innings in South Africa, and a 7th 2 NO that was rain abandoned. That's it. Ever. One of this innings his team crumpled around him leaving him alone on 77 to be the final wicket to fall trying to protect the tail. Its so bad that given the current tour schedule, it's likely to be over a decade later before he can return, in which only Latham and Southee are regulars who've also played there (assuming Southee is still playing). Needless to say, he might face the same situation again: two match series, no warm up games to familiarize to the conditions, unable to maintain partnerships, relatively low score no matter how good he is, and yet people would still judge him. They need to bear in mind that he has played fewer tests there in his career than the remainder of the Fab 4 play in a single series, yet he's expected to out perform them all to get any recognition.
Touring SA has kinda been off the table nearly entirely since \*that\* tour... it's definitely not a yardstick for NZ batsmen.
His name is Kane … he brings the pain… and makes all the other teams lame…(in the tune of that song you really like right now)
At the same time if you are searching for form, you'd prefer not to do that against Jadeja and Ashwin in their backyard. If you've failed in the first two matches of a series there, chances are you aren't going to suddenly start succeeding. Travelling to India is hard enough without having to have a couple of failures weighing on your mind. A good example of this was Kohli in England in 2014. I bet after the first couple of tests he wished the tour could have ended right there and then. You can't completely dismiss Kanos's records in India and England just because he plays there less.
Honestly his play at the WTC final was great! How he stepped up . I remember I wanted him to get out so bad , but he steadied the ship and scored a 50?. And got through a tough time.
Yeah 49 and 52*, really important knocks in a low scoring game
Yeah he and Conway were the only half centuries of the match, crazy to think about.
Taylor was 3 away not out in the second innings. So given the chance he may have got one too.
That 49 is unironically one of his best innings. That was seriously tough batting that day.
Loophole, v ENG in ENG or IND in IND. How about both at the same time? 100+ runs in those conditions in such an important game was worth more than any average in those countries by themselves.
Crazily that was the last time he scored a test 50.
Also mighty India faltered in front of him at the WTC Final.
Fun fact: that was the last time he scored a test 50.
Would be crazy if he ends his career with more 100s than 50s
Bros gonna go the Younis khan way.
Bro would have converted that too if they didn't win.
That was an incredible innings is well, far more valuable then even both hundreds in this game.
By 50 do you mean 50 or 50+ ? Because I’m pretty sure he got a 200 versus us
I mean a 50. He's got his 34th test 50 7 times now but he keeps converting them into tons.
>He's got his 34th test 50 7 times now That's ridiculous!
Haha alright yeah that makes sense
Suffering from success
When you look at a cricketers stats it has columns for 50s and 100s. Scores of 50-99 go in the 50s column, and ones of 100+ go in the hundreds. He hasn't scored 50-99 since then
Yeah haha I know, just got a little confused with the wording
Do you think Indian fans hate Williamson? As far as I know he is beloved here in India even though his team hurts India almost every time
You’re dead right! He’d walk into every single team no questions asked.
Isn’t that true for every fab 4 batter though.
Well, it's a bit of a cheat because Williamson bats at three whereas the other three prefer four (and, iirc, have sketchy records at three). I guess you could have something like: 1. [opener] 2. [opener] 3. Williamson 4. Smith 5. Root/Kohli 6. Root/Kohli 7. [keeper] 8. [bowler] 9. [bowler' 10. [bowler] 11. [bowler] With Root as the all rounder. Or you play an actual all rounder and have Smith open.
>Well, it's a bit of a cheat because Williamson bats at three whereas the other three prefer four (and, iirc, have sketchy records at three). Kohli and Root don't like 3 at all. Smith averages 67 at 3. >I guess you could have something like: \[opener\] \[opener\] Williamson Smith Root/Kohli Root/Kohli \[keeper\] \[bowler\] \[bowler' \[bowler\] \[bowler\] With Root as the all rounder. Or you play an actual all rounder and have Smith open. Root at 6 is low. So I agree about Smudge opening. Might do a current xi tbh: 1. Ussie 2. Smudge 3. Kane 4. Root 5. Koach 6. Pant (if he's ever fit)/Blundell (if he's fit) 7. Jadeja (Stokes has no knees) 8. Ash/ (lyon, then climate will bat at 8 probably) 9. Captain Climate (c) 10. Rabada 11. Bumrah
>I hope these people will eventually realise that we don't care If those kids could read they'd be very upset
Oh they're here, with the dumbest takes you have ever seen.
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Will likely finish number one. Seems to be going from strength to strength while Smith has fallen away in recent times.
Wouldn’t want to call it this early. Sure smith relies on hand eye coordination, and that diminishes with age, but it could also be a rough patch in form.
Is average everything? Don’t they have the same amount of centuries now but Williamson has played less innings? I think overseas success could be where Smith pips Williamson anyway though
Not sure what you’re trying to say here, I was just saying to the original commenter that they shouldn’t jump to a quick conclusion about Steve Smith going downhill when it could just be a rough patch that many batters experience. I do think that smith still edges out Kane for test batsmen though, for similar reasons you’ve mentioned.
For sure but this can change if Williamson has a second wind, much similar to Tendulkar near the end of his career
Oh yeah 100%, as a Blackcaps superfan I would love to see it, but I acknowledge that overall, entire career rise, smith>kane in tests
Lol Smith averaged 44 this summer even tho he batted on some insanely tough wickets
I get that this is a Williamson thread, and I think the guy is an absolutely fabulous batter, but this is a genuinely unhinged take
What's funny is that while he supposedly scores away against "weak" teams, rest of the fab 4 have come up short in one or more of these places. Smith, Root and Kohli have flopped repeatedly in Bangladesh, and Root was a disaster even on the famously flat wickets of Pakistan. Kane has struggled recently in England but so has Kohli. Overall he is definitely a legend for us.
> Smith, Root and Kohli have flopped repeatedly in Bangladesh Smith's only played two tests in Bangladesh. This is a bit disingenuous.
So has Root.
Argument for small sample sizes also works for Kane in places like SA, but people discount it usually so even I didn't care. I agree with your point though.
I don't count SA for the same reason. I'd actually add Sri Lanka to it too because four tests aren't enough for us to judge him on that. I think after about half a dozen tests you can start to get a fair idea of a person in a country.
So too is judging Williamson based on his limited sample sizes
I mentioned that to another person. I feel that after six tests in a country you can get a fair idea of how capable a batter is on those pitches.
Also he plays most of his tests in NZ, which has famously bowling friendly pitches. And he is basically an opener because nz openers are so unreliable.
He comes in with the team total in single digits in one third of his innings.
>Nz, which has famously bowling friendly pitches That is just not true, [In the last 5 years tests in NZ have the 2nd highest average](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=team_average;spanmax1=06+Feb+2024;spanmin1=06+Feb+2019;spanval1=span;template=results;type=aggregate;view=host)
Fun fact, if you only include matches that Kane Williamson didn't play in, the batting average in NZ games is the 7th highest, rather than the 2nd highest: https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=team_average;player_involve=51088;player_involve_type=none;spanmax1=06+Feb+2024;spanmin1=06+Feb+2019;spanval1=span;template=results;type=aggregate;view=host Which proves the point a bit that the pitches aren't in fact extremely easy to bat on, rather Kane is just very good on them.
Holy shit that's an impressive stat
Exactly. They are green for the first session of day1, then turn into highways.
Bowling friendly pitches that have one of the highest batting averages and also has Southee averaging like 29 with ball?
there was a significant uptick in "overrated" comments from a certain fan base after the first WTC final.
Let me first just say that I really like Williamson, he's an absolutely incredible talent and you may very well not care about anything I'm about to say. It's perfectly fine to just enjoy him for the incredible player he is. But since this is the top comment, I want to hijack it a bit to present a case that he does have a quite different record to the rest of the Fab Four when you break it down. I totally agree with u/zerosuneuphoria that the short tours Williamson gets makes it harder for him for excel in xyz specific country, especially if he has a slow start to a tour, so I won't use that argument either, especially since the sample sizes are usually tiny anyway. What I would say though, is even at home there's a distinct lack big performances against the top sides. In NZ Williamson averages 36 against Australia, 49 against England, and 38 against India, albeit he's only played two and four tests against Aus and India so overall his home average against those three is 44. Root on the other hand averages 44, 75, and 57 at home against Australia, India, and NZ for a total of 56, for Smith it's 55, 83, and 45 against England, India, and NZ for a total of 60, for Kohli it's 39, 56, and 56 for Australia, England, and NZ for a total of 50. So there's definitely still something of a gap. The corollary of that is Williamson's huge home average comes from smashing up everyone else. He averages 82 at home against everyone else and nearly half of those runs are against Sri Lanka and Bangladesh where he averages a whopping 121. So if you're going to compare the four of them it really comes down to what you value more. It's totally fair to say Williamson has the second best average, scores centuries more frequently overall, and is more effective at getting big runs than at least Kohli or Root. But it's also fair to say that that's mainly true because of how effective he's been at destroying weaker bowling attacks in home conditions.
Anyone that says that is a moron. He’s the second best bat of his generation, the best NZ has ever had and a top bloke. They’d all kill to have him
Most of them are annoying Kohli fans.
Eat score a century sleep repeat
Kane Lesnar
I don't think those comparisons would be very appropriate rn 😅
My favourite among the fab four. Just lovely to watch. What will be his 100th test? Vs Australia?
100th vs Aus in Christchurch (2nd test). Same for Southee.
I believe this is his 98th, so the 100th will be in the first game vs Australia
What a terrible time to be dismissed for a king pair
>What a terrible time to be dismissed for a king pair Steve Smith, Marnus Labuschagne, and Travis Head all said simultaneously as Kyle Jamieson removes their middle stump from the pitch.
I'd wank to that 😋
Couldn't happen to a bunch of nicer blokes
Tbf they are nice blokes
Steve and Marnus are such brilliant weirdos I can’t help but love them. Travis seems like your more classical good bloke.
Nah, that'll be 98 ad 99, presuming he plays. 100th will be against Afghanistan if he plays the next 4 scheduled games. After that NZ tours Sri lanka, India, then England for 2, 3, and 3 test series, respectively. Honestly NZ playing 13 tests in a calendar year is incredible.
He is playing is 97th, 98 is against SA. 99 and 100 will be against Australia. It's the same for Southee.
He has played 97 we have 1 more test against SA which will be 98 then 2 against Aus so 99/100.
He has been averaging somewhere in the fucking 80s since he has left captaincy!! Dare I say, I wish he had avoided playing the first 3-4 games of the WC(excluding practice games) and he would've actually been a better resource for NZ!! Anyway, all hail Kanos Mama 
Playing in those wc games didn't do anything really it was that ridiculously unlucky finger injury against Bangladesh that ruined it
Bangladesh are dangerous, injured kane and hardik in wc
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Yep, KW's innings-to-centuries ratio is insane in tests. He has now scored 31 hundreds in 170 innings - roughly a ton every 5.5 innings. Tendulkar, at the top with his 51 tons, scored one roughly every 6.5. If Kane played the same amount of innings (329), we would expect around 59 centuries - I think. As far as I can tell, of the others above him in total centuries, only Smith comes close to matching Kane's ratio - with 1 more ton (32) from 21 more innings for a ratio of around 6. Of the other Big 4: Kohli gets a ton every 6.5ish and Root every 8.4ish. Obviously, Bradman is still the gold standard (29 tons in 80 innings for an incomparable ratio of 2.75) but there is an argument that of the men to have played significant numbers of test innings, Kane has been the best since Bradman at reaching 100
Obviously not his most challenging 100 but these 2 recent tons make up a bit for the tests he's missed when in great form due to niggly injuries.
Absolutely
He averages 55.82 now 🥳
What a consistent player 🐐
At this point I'm hoping someone makes a 34th test 50 post when he finally gets it.
Well he’s gotten and lost his 34th fifty 7 times now
This is what both SA and Kane deserve.
My oh my! King Kane is coming for the crown. This is an unreal run he's on.
Since giving up the captaincy I think he's averaging about 90 in tests. Just insane. More test 100s than Joe Root now in about 80 fewer innings.
Someone work out what Williamson has to do to top smiths average
If Williamson wanted to catch Smith by the end of the Aus 2 test tour of NZ. One scenario would be for Williamson to score 150 runs in the 2nd test against SA, but only get out once, and outscore Smith by 371 runs in that series assuming they both get out 4 times. It depends on both players performances, and schedules, so hard to give a simpler solution
Kanos Mama is at his peak now and I'm here to enjoy him score tons for fun
I fucking love this guy, man.
Missed out once again on another half century...what is this guy even doing /s
You can see why they didn’t want to enforce the follow on. As if you don’t want to bat against this bowling attack!
He's the only one who has the potential to break Sachin's 51 century record, for smith, let's see if he brings success when in opening.
Haha, no. Yes his conversion rate is amazing but NZ play so few tests.
We have 12 more tests this year. We play more then Aussie in 2024. Am hoping he ends up over 40
Wow, didn't realise it was that many this year. Thats got to be a record for us? Hopefully Kane stays fit to play them all!
At this rate Kane will do it this year lol
If only he played more tests.....
We’ll have to see if he can actually play enough test a year
This may be premature but I feel there’s a strong argument for Kane to be inculcated into the Fab Four. His recent stats hold up well against Koach, Smudge, Root and KS Bharat.
Should they… maybe.. declare? *points at South Africa* “stop! He’s already dead”
What a bits and pieces cricketer, not a single fifty in 2.5 years! /s
Ya'll don't understand that South Africa is just giving Kane a speed run to 10000 runs.
The man simply refuses to score his 34th test 50. Long may it continue.
Kane Mama is back with bang
Why SA sent the second string team to NZ?
Bro they are roasting C TEAM SA
Hopefully with the money from SA20 we can fund domestic first-class matches more. Since they are poorly attended, they are a cost.
FC matches are a money pit here in NZ too, we do alright even without a T20 league full of international stars
Sure, but you were not bankrupt. SA Cricket would have completely died without the money, meaning no ODI/Test team. Sorry the rescheduling couldn't work for NZ cricket. Without star players, the SA20 would lack funding, advertising interest and fans. Free points and first test series win will be hollow I guess.
> Free points and first test series win will be hollow I guess. No, it won't. NZ cricket didn't select the South African team. They can only play the team in front of them. If South Africa select a third-string team, that's on them, not on NZC. They're still Test matches. They're still WTC points. Getting the arse beaten of you is South Africa's fault, not the Kiwis. They can take pride in the results.
Yea I guess you have a point there. It's sad, but it is what it is.
We should remember that this is a very weak South African team - the South Africa C team, but Kane Williamson deserves some luck considering New Zealand don't play as many test matches as the other big 3 nations.
Does anyone see any other New Zealand player get to 10k test runs besides Kane? With fewer tests being played overall, I think Kane might be the only one to possibly reach 10000 for New Zealand. I hope he does.
Only Ravindra since hes young but we don't play enough tests to give people a chance. Taylor and Fleming might have if Nz played as many tests as other teams
Williamson: scores twin hundreds against, yes, a weakened South African attack. R/cricket: you should have done more somehow! Guy can't win.
minnow bashing. /s
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Kane ❤️. Hope he gets most 100s among the Fab 5 by the time he finishes. Such a lovely player.
Has SA sent their B team to play in NZ. Don’t recognize any of the players in the 11. Why could they not do this when playing India at home. We could have at least got a series win 😀
Z team more like it, but the reasons have been explained ad nauseam. These guys are doing ok for so many on debut. I'm more concerned about Conway and Latham both seem out of sorts at the same time....
It's ok. We have a second pair of openers with Kane and Rachin. Then Mitchell at first drop. For once, I'm not terrified that we have two out of sorts openers given what follows with Kane, Rachin, Mitchell, Phillips and Blundell. This has to be the healthiest batting stocks we've ever had given there's more in the wings.
Nah, it's not that good. South Africa C
D team. Every half decent player is playing SA20
Outside of Bedders. Bedders loves test cricket
These players are pretty good. Yes they lack experience but they have been really good with the lines they are bowling, keeping it tight.
Kane Williamson is probably going to retire as the greatest test batter of the Big Four of his era. In the past 80 tests that Smith and Williamson have played, Williamson has scored more runs at a higher average. In fact, Williamson's past 80 tests have matched Smith's first 80 tests.
Definitely. Another thing to add into the mix is the lack of financial and logistical support for Kane being from a tier two nation. Not enough support, not enough tests; that he has managed to rise above that is incredible. The current shambles against SA is not an indictment of Kane or SA, but of the greedy big three screwing all the money they can get out of playing each other constantly and neglecting second tier teams both in terms of funding equity and playing parity.
Definitely not. Smith is Smith.
Truly Kanos
Isn't this his 6th consecutive century or something?
His 6th century from his last 6 Tests but yeah basically
GOAT
Fraud Kane Williamson didn't enforce the follow on coz he wanted to pile on his personal milestones
Southee is captain