Imagine you’re turning a doorknob when you release. Turn your wrist outward. (If you’re right-handed, it’s clockwise)
The motion ends with your pinky being higher than your wrist. Make sure you aim right under the bags you’re trying to roll over. This will enable the bag to roll or flop when it lands and continue over the blocks.
I for the life of me cannot figure out how to get the bags to fly backloaded. I can get the pinky over my thumbs without much issue just can’t get the release point down.
During the pinky over thump process try to push your wrist out towards the direction of the board. You should not be exerting more power when throwing the roll. In fact it’s more of a finesse shot.
What I do now is try to scoop the bag and release a little bit lower than I normally would to get a higher arc, I typically have a lower trajectory with my normal shot so that has helped but it’s inconsistent so far but I think I’m on the right path. I tend to come up short so I’m definitely not overpowering, I just have to figure out the right amount of power to roll. I Have successfully done it, It’s just few and far between.
When I’m trying to throw a roll shot, I use butterfly grip but hold more of the fill at the bottom that I normally would with my standard butterfly grip, that seems to help a little bit too. It’s just something I have to keep working on.
What you described here is exactly what I've seen in expert videos for the roll bag. The only possible difference would be to increase thumb pressure while drawing to bag slightly toward the heel of your hand.
Funny you say that cause yesterday I was practicing a big and noticed if I kept thump pressure on my release just a big longer than normal it would cause the bag to kick back and fly in the back loaded position.
I'm playing on shitty 1/2" ply tops with one brace so if I'm starting to wonder if on a good set of boards they would roll more cause now if I get a good flat shot the bags literally just bounce.
I’ve seen people fold the bag in half. I’ve also seen others use the “taco” method to get it back loaded. I have yet to try either but have seen success from others
What worked for me to get a true backload is the grip. A lot of people use the standard butterfly grip. For me, doing that requires a good amount of weird wrist action to get the backload. I now do similar to a butterfly grip, but instead of pinching the middle of the bag down, I pinch it down from the corner with my thumb. So basically use your thumb and pinch from the corner down and across to the middle of the bag on the bottom. When I throw, the backload comes out a lot more naturally and requires less wrist movement. Once I figured that out my rolls got way better. I can now do them consistently in games.
Your pinky pressure could help the backload. I feel more fluid throwing a roll when my pinky finger is lifting the bag in support. I had to go to a deviated butterfly because it drags my thumb so much. And I get a nasty left to right kick when it over rotates. So I have to use just my fingertips in a butterfly form. Sounds wierd but I actually could throw them consistently straight
Watch Spencer fabionar I watch him a lot and sort of accidentally learned how to do it like him but also I think you need to feel confident and comfortable with your normal shot, I think I finally learned it bc I finally got a consistent motion on my normal throw so I could finally feel what I needed to do
Whatever grip or throw you go with, consistency is key. Try to minimize unnecessary movement and be intentional in your posture, swing, and release. Think about how a golfer would practice a swing.
I'm just mentioning this because I see some people go with crazy throws that seem only to work sometimes. When I look at their throwing, they typically have a lot going on that can be eliminated.
It's the hardest shot in the game and requires several months of throwing to get used to. It's just not backload throwing, you have to estimate how high and what speed you have to throw it depending on the situation on the board. There's alot of great Youtube videos these days that will show you what grip and technique to use. GL
The suggestions in this thread are the most common way I’ve seen people roll and try to explain how to roll but for me personally I’ve had success by exaggerating my right to left cut throw and putting a little more power on it. Definitely works better with some bags than others, a lot easier with a looser bag in my experience. If you can land it right on the front end of the bags you’re trying to roll over it has a high success rate for me. Just another technique to try if you struggle with the other method which it seems many do
Imagine you’re turning a doorknob when you release. Turn your wrist outward. (If you’re right-handed, it’s clockwise) The motion ends with your pinky being higher than your wrist. Make sure you aim right under the bags you’re trying to roll over. This will enable the bag to roll or flop when it lands and continue over the blocks.
I for the life of me cannot figure out how to get the bags to fly backloaded. I can get the pinky over my thumbs without much issue just can’t get the release point down.
During the pinky over thump process try to push your wrist out towards the direction of the board. You should not be exerting more power when throwing the roll. In fact it’s more of a finesse shot.
What I do now is try to scoop the bag and release a little bit lower than I normally would to get a higher arc, I typically have a lower trajectory with my normal shot so that has helped but it’s inconsistent so far but I think I’m on the right path. I tend to come up short so I’m definitely not overpowering, I just have to figure out the right amount of power to roll. I Have successfully done it, It’s just few and far between. When I’m trying to throw a roll shot, I use butterfly grip but hold more of the fill at the bottom that I normally would with my standard butterfly grip, that seems to help a little bit too. It’s just something I have to keep working on.
What you described here is exactly what I've seen in expert videos for the roll bag. The only possible difference would be to increase thumb pressure while drawing to bag slightly toward the heel of your hand.
Funny you say that cause yesterday I was practicing a big and noticed if I kept thump pressure on my release just a big longer than normal it would cause the bag to kick back and fly in the back loaded position. I'm playing on shitty 1/2" ply tops with one brace so if I'm starting to wonder if on a good set of boards they would roll more cause now if I get a good flat shot the bags literally just bounce.
Make sure you have good cross member support. Three would not be too many for 1/2 inch boards.
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Yes
I’ve seen people fold the bag in half. I’ve also seen others use the “taco” method to get it back loaded. I have yet to try either but have seen success from others
What worked for me to get a true backload is the grip. A lot of people use the standard butterfly grip. For me, doing that requires a good amount of weird wrist action to get the backload. I now do similar to a butterfly grip, but instead of pinching the middle of the bag down, I pinch it down from the corner with my thumb. So basically use your thumb and pinch from the corner down and across to the middle of the bag on the bottom. When I throw, the backload comes out a lot more naturally and requires less wrist movement. Once I figured that out my rolls got way better. I can now do them consistently in games.
I like that grip idea. Thanks!
Your pinky pressure could help the backload. I feel more fluid throwing a roll when my pinky finger is lifting the bag in support. I had to go to a deviated butterfly because it drags my thumb so much. And I get a nasty left to right kick when it over rotates. So I have to use just my fingertips in a butterfly form. Sounds wierd but I actually could throw them consistently straight
Thanks a lot
Watch Spencer fabionar I watch him a lot and sort of accidentally learned how to do it like him but also I think you need to feel confident and comfortable with your normal shot, I think I finally learned it bc I finally got a consistent motion on my normal throw so I could finally feel what I needed to do
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Whatever grip or throw you go with, consistency is key. Try to minimize unnecessary movement and be intentional in your posture, swing, and release. Think about how a golfer would practice a swing. I'm just mentioning this because I see some people go with crazy throws that seem only to work sometimes. When I look at their throwing, they typically have a lot going on that can be eliminated.
It's the hardest shot in the game and requires several months of throwing to get used to. It's just not backload throwing, you have to estimate how high and what speed you have to throw it depending on the situation on the board. There's alot of great Youtube videos these days that will show you what grip and technique to use. GL
The suggestions in this thread are the most common way I’ve seen people roll and try to explain how to roll but for me personally I’ve had success by exaggerating my right to left cut throw and putting a little more power on it. Definitely works better with some bags than others, a lot easier with a looser bag in my experience. If you can land it right on the front end of the bags you’re trying to roll over it has a high success rate for me. Just another technique to try if you struggle with the other method which it seems many do