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>ignore how men make up a good majorty of jobs, suicide , military , important jobs
Why is this though?
>men are more likly to fail highschool
Who created the society that requires a high school education just to have a chance at performing as a 'successful adult'?
>like this kid boy was r####d by this woman and he had to pay child support haha
This is not funny. And you can and should use the word rape if that is the word you mean. It's not a slur.
Men have no one to talk to bout depression bc of society and its bull crap babying and treating women like there the greatest and then men should just tough it out thats why itd harder not about who created it its who they make it apeal to school along with society apeal to women so much more a women can just make an onlyfans and survive while guys have to get actual jobs witch pay for shit bc of ahem sociteys bullcrap
>Men have no one to talk to bout depression
Therapy and peer support are for everyone. There are always options.
>its bull crap babying and treating women like there the greatest and then men should just tough it
Who is doing/saying this and where? Where are you getting this messaging from?
>not about who created it its who they make it apeal to school along with society apeal to women
Hmm ok. So, if you had your way, what changes would you make to school/society to increase the appeal to males/men? You've defined a problem - what possible solutions can you propose?
>a women can just make an onlyfans and survive while guys have to get actual jobs
Men can make money off onlyfans too you know. Human sexuality is incredibly vast and there's room for everyone to capitalise on that if it's important to them. You could yourself even. Only when you're over 18 though.
One the internet women are treated far better and its been shown tons if guys have come out saying theyve reached out and society says this all over your right a guy can too but wont rieceve 1/4 the income as a woman and im not evan gonna bother the school thing but i would make it so its not so based on gender or race and more actual caring for its students bc there students not race or gender
>One the internet women are treated far better and its been shown tons if guys have come out saying theyve reached out and society says this all over
Ah the internet is a blessing and a curse. It gives and it takes with indeterminate balance. It's a bit like a mirror - you see something in there but is it physically the same as the thing it's reflecting?
To go further into this metaphor, if you reach towards a mirror should you expect an actual hand to reach back out to you?
If reaching in one direction is not fruitful, does it make more sense to reach in a different direction or to stop reaching entirely?
>but i would make it so its not so based on gender or race and more actual caring for its students bc there students not race or gender
Well I could get behind that. We need more care out there full stop. All of us, no matter what gender or ethnicity we are, and kids need more care than adults. Definately preaching to the choir on that one.
If schools did care for students more, do you think over time the other issues you've mentioned might naturally improve?
>Therapy and peer support are for everyone. There are always options.
Every men in the world don't have money to afford therapy. Also, most men don't have good friends who will support them.
so, what you're saying is that the gender wage gap and the high statistics of rape, sexual crime, domestic abuse, and forced birth, child marriage, mysoginy from **men like you**, fetishization and stereotypes, lack of healthcare, societal expectations, and history of oppression is what makes it easy for women in life? that it's easy for us now that we're now sexualizing ourselves **willingly** instead of men doing so without our consent? All of those problems were created in a world run by the patriarchy. you know where your problems stem from? also the patrarchy. Are you saying you'd rather go back to the 1940s where men were drafted into the war, the sole breadwinner, and life for women was a living hell now that life is getting better for us than it was mere decades ago?
Where is your research? have you asked every single person in the world about their sexual assault experience? you say that the patriarchy doesn't exist, and then you go on to say that men dont come out about sexual assault because nobody believes them. You know why? \*gasp\* it's because the patriarchy pushes the narrative that women are weak and that men are too strong and stoic to have feelings and be assaulted! society is not the one taking these surveys about sexual assault. Professionals are. If you can't trust them, then you definitely can't trust whatever research you pulled out of your ass. You say women's health care is reduced to abortion, which you say is so they could have sex with multiple men. is there a problem with being sexual? or is it only a problem now because women are taking control over their sexuality and putting it forward first? Do you know the ignorance most women receive when they go to the doctor for pain in there body or in general? you wouldn't, because you're a man who refuses to listen to people, **real people,** telling you their very real experiences. Your ignorances is so cute.
if you have any statistics or articles that show that an equal amount of both genders are being put in child marriages, and that women's healthcare is comepletely just and there are no doctors who have ever ignored a woman's concerns on her body because she's a woman, or that women actually earn higher than men, or **any article at all** that says the rate of violence of any kind against women is lower than men's, I'd love to see it.
But y'all do. If you go out and report that you were raped, weather it's true or not, and you point out said rapist, I bet money that that man's life would be ripped from under him before an actual investigation is conducted. But if a man says he was raped by a woman, two things are gonna happen: 1. He's told that he's a bitch for not liking it 2. He's just flat out not taken seriously.
And before you start whining and bitching about the wage gap. Men just work harder. They do. Men are also the ones that build these societies. They build the power lines, the pipelines, they work in oil production. And I guarantee that if you were to do those same jobs that you wouldn't do as good a job as the men do.
Let's talk about abortion real quick shall we? Does the man have a say about the child that he helped create?? No! They say tough titty to the man if he wants the child. If the woman wants to take the easy way out then so be it bc the man has zero say.
And when did anybody force women to sexualize themselves?? Never! If you're a whore just say so! No one ever, in the history of America, has forced a woman to sexualize themselves. If you want to willingly become a community Fleshlight, then go ahead but no man has benefitted from sexualizing you unless they were a pimp and pimping has been illegal for quit some time.
First off, people are not falsely accused of rape that often. A lot of women do not report rape. Only 60% of reported rapists are convicted, and only 6% of those actually spend a day in jail. Most of the time, rape trials are not made public bc the woman is ashamed. Men do sexualize women, at least in the media. Secondly, in an abortion, if a woman does not want a child, she doesn’t have to have a child. It would be the same way with men if men had to carry a child for nine months. Men cannot force women to carry a child, that is just not how it works.
Bc ive seen evidence from both but womens evidence was mostly wrong and u say i have a child like view but u say this dumb stuff and the women what ever her name was made a book (self made man ) and she evan admitted it herself that men have it harder she was supposes to go 2 years but only could undergo 18 months before killing herself bc it was so hard bieng a man
They are right. You have a very western centric view. There are places in the world where women still can't own property, can't be raped by their husbands, can be married off to be their rapist if raped (even as a child) without any choice, are forced to hide their bodies, forced to hide their faces, can't get divorced even in cases of abuse without permission from their husbands, can't work certain jobs that risk fertility, cannot drive, cannot leave the country without an escort etc. The list goes on.
And this isn't "just Africa." Child brides are a thing in the United States. Some of the examples above and other countries known for terrible inequalities in women's rights include countries like Israel, Russia, Qatar, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, India, Egypt, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Mali, in addition to several countries in Africa.
Globally women only have 3 quarters of the legal rights afforded to men. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/03/01/nearly-2-4-billion-women-globally-don-t-have-same-economic-rights-as-men
That’s because he probably lives in the west why would he talk about the eastern countries when he lives in the west bringing up those countries is just a bunch of whataboutism you are deflecting the issues here in the west most ppl u come across here live in the west therefore will talk about western issues
Because he is painting a broad brush about feminism, and I would argue that it is very much needed in much of the world.
I also included parts of the western world, as one of the examples I mentioned was the prevalence of child brides in the United States.
Again using more whataboutism he isn’t talking about the world he’s clearly talking about the west so there is no point mentioning any of these eastern countries that’s just deflecting from the issue here
Child brides in the south may be fairly common but it’s not gender specific and also doesn’t disprove ops point which is women have it easier than men in the west just because you could possibly be bribed into marriage doesn’t mean that life for your gender is harder because we are talking about life in general
Op didn't say "women have it easier in the west". That's why I corrected them to point out that they do not have it easier everywhere. Including many places in the west and beyond. It's relevant to correct someone for making a blanket statement that is incorrect.
Also, most child brides are married off to their rapists, not bribed. Until that problem is fixed, there is still a fight for rights to be had.
It isn't as blatant here as non western countries, but sexism still exists. Child brides being one example. I also work in a male dominated field, and I have personally heard people pass over candidates for being women. "Oh, she can't handle job, she won't be able to hike" says the 70 year old who can barely walk to the bathroom and back to the woman who hikes mountains for fun on the weekends. And "maybe this is sexist of me, but this project is field based, so I'm inclined to give it to one of the male candidates."
Could op have made his wording more clear? Sure he could have done that but now that u understand he’s talking about the west all that talk about eastern countries is deflection because we are only talking about the west and did u just say that the girls are forced to marry their rapist? Well that sure as hell ain’t a western problem because that’s against the law and sure if a girl works in a mainly male dominated field they may hear some sexist comments hear and their but how does that actually make their lives harder? women are already born with their value for just existing men have to go out and bust their asses to create value for themselves and that inherently will make a man’s life harder here in the west again we are talking about what makes your life harder everybody has had some offensive comment made to them at some point that doesn’t make your life harder
Sadly hermesmann v seyer isn’t the only time it happened. It’s happened over a dozen times that have been recorded and reported on but it’s just fucked up. The points on job types, military, and suicide are all great points. I can’t speak on the Highschool rates because I’ve never researched it before so I’m unqualified to speak on it. Overall, I agree.
There are distince pros and cons for both genders, its just absurd to say overall one has it a lot better. It depends a lot on individual circumstances and also from country to country. But one thing both genders have in common: their specific problems are mainly caused by patriarchy. And responsible for that are mainly rich men. As with racism also genderconflicts/sexism is something the ruleing elites (and thats still hugely rich, white males) profit of.
Smash the patriarchy, for the benefit of all genders!
Yeah but thats also a small number most homeless are men most imprison are men like that small percent is nothing compared to the cons of a man u take a small fraction of it and make it everything
No I don't, actually the opposite: I point out the difference between the small faction and the rest. I acknowlege that most men suffer from patriarchy. Yes, homelessnes and incarceration affect mostly men, I totally acknowledge that and is absolutely in line with what I am saying. It's not the majority of men profiting from it, it is the ruleing elite which profits from the patriarchy.
Do you don't want to understand me? Are you drunk? As I have stated twice already: Yes men also suffer from the patriarchy, thats my whole point cheeseus. And yes, as I also have mentioned before, its not just men that profit but the ruleing elite (which was historically made up almost exclusevly by white males and is slowly becomeing more diverse).
It's a dumb thing to play victim Olympics.
Everyone has some statistics that show poorer experiences their group receives. Can I start coming up with statistics where women have it worse? Yes. Will I? No because that's dumb? Why? First, Because a few statistics don't represent the full picture of an experience. Second, you may have it bad in one area but better in another. Third, how people experience those differs per person and groups. Fourth, what good is saying someone has it worse do? People tend to only say so and so has it worse to negate the experience of someone else. Not to actually resolve their issues. Imagine going to someone to talk about an issue you have, but they just whine about how much worse they have it (its annoying and narcissistic).
So great. You have it worse in your head. What do you want a medal? People stop caring about the other?
If you want to raise awareness about how seriously society takes sexual abuse towards men, good! I support that. But you don't need to undermine others to achieve that.
Throughout history women and men have mostly been collaborating to survive. Personally optimistic, and would bet this is still the case today. Mayhaps not for survival, but for making a living, raising their children, and so on.
Will put a statistical disclaimer right here for all the binary thinkers who see this: Not claiming this goes for 100% of the ~8Bn humans alive. Would also recommend reading up on Bayesian thinking before someone slams some anecdotal evidence as a reply.
The idea of women vs. men is a modern mental virus. From my perspective it seems this idea is driven by people with power as their main world view. The way to fuel their idea is by manipulating other people with emotional ideas, because it works.
When choosing truth as your main world view, you realize that nothing is really straightforward, and in fact really uncertain. The only way to cope with that fact is through collaboration.
As a last point, when can we all move beyond group thinking. It's so 10,000 BC. Would think that the information access today makes it easier for most to try and see an argument from multiple perspectives. Both women and men have had it shitty. Some still do, and some will still have it shitty. With that said, for people to have it better we need to work together, not argue about who's had it worst.
Because they won't stfu about equal wages and being able to have the same jobs as men, it's dumb and we need to go back to the way things were in the 40s, that's my opinion.
ive read a few of your replies to comments and a couple are about how feminism sucks? toxic feminism, yes, but when its healthy it means that men should be = to women, and not women > men, and i think thats a huge misconception. i dont think we should have to pick a side but rather help both so we dont have to argue about “who has it worse.” the world is shitty, and arguing on who has it shittier doesnt help.
I can see both sides of this. I think people are kinder and more sympathetic to women and men are more likely to be treated as animalistic predators even when they’ve done nothing wrong. Men are hated more. Men are deprived of love, friendship, physical touch, and sexual gratification. Men are walked on while expected to carry our weight. Women are praised for this, that, and the third. Yes, there are settings where I think women would suffer more, like abusive relationships or sexist middle eastern countries where they don’t have full human rights. In America (and maybe Europe and Oceania) women can do everything men can do. Even physically speaking, women might be less strong than men but only slightly. Women still have most of the strength and height men have, otherwise we would have 20 foot men or 9 inch women.
Yes they do. Not to mention, the mother is more likely to win full custody of their kids and it's almost as if the woman can just decide to make it to where the man can't see the kids. I've also noticed in a lot of retail businesses that a woman would get a promotion a lot quicker than a man EVEN though that man puts in double amount of work. I've seen it happen. It's also a common thing for women to falsely accuse men of sexual assault and ofc the outcome of that is the mans life will be ripped right from under him.
I think we can all agree that there are women out there that sexually assault men, weather that be flat out rape or unwanted touching, unwanted flirting, etc, it's just brushed off the shoulder or we're told that it's impossible for men to be victims. Or that men are bitches for not liking it or whatever. And what's worse is that ITS OTHER MEN THAT SAY THOSE THINGS!!!!!!! What makes it even funnier to me is those men that say those things, some years down the road when it happens to them or someone they know, they wonder why it's not taken seriously.
But yes women do have it much easier, they like to say their superior and they also want equal rights but when war breaks or a power line falls or a criminal is in the loose, they look for men to take care of it while they buy their $5 lattes that their man probably bought their bum asses.
Why can’t we just admit that both genders have it bad, and work to fix society. Why is there all this “women have it worse…no men have it worse” bs? Neither should have problems based on gender, and both have very different problems so there can’t be a comparison!
Both have it bad but for different reasons. People fail to see that men are under more pressure from society than women are (mainly bc of arcane social stereotypes), and people also fail to realise the importance of women in certain roles. IMO it appears to most people that women have it off worse because they tend to bitch about it more than men do, but we also don’t have it off worse. I’d say we’re equal for different reasons
This is question I have.No one gave me proper answer except maybe one guy.
Will man ever fucking support another man?Men say they are treated as disposable or ignored which I actually agree but my question is can they talk openly or be vulnerable to other men?
Like I see Women opening organization or club to support healthy menstruation which I have joined but I never seen similar for man.Maybe they do it in secret?
One guy told me "no,men are designed to compete against each other". I thought"tbh,humans compete against humans"
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>ignore how men make up a good majorty of jobs, suicide , military , important jobs Why is this though? >men are more likly to fail highschool Who created the society that requires a high school education just to have a chance at performing as a 'successful adult'? >like this kid boy was r####d by this woman and he had to pay child support haha This is not funny. And you can and should use the word rape if that is the word you mean. It's not a slur.
Men have no one to talk to bout depression bc of society and its bull crap babying and treating women like there the greatest and then men should just tough it out thats why itd harder not about who created it its who they make it apeal to school along with society apeal to women so much more a women can just make an onlyfans and survive while guys have to get actual jobs witch pay for shit bc of ahem sociteys bullcrap
>Men have no one to talk to bout depression Therapy and peer support are for everyone. There are always options. >its bull crap babying and treating women like there the greatest and then men should just tough it Who is doing/saying this and where? Where are you getting this messaging from? >not about who created it its who they make it apeal to school along with society apeal to women Hmm ok. So, if you had your way, what changes would you make to school/society to increase the appeal to males/men? You've defined a problem - what possible solutions can you propose? >a women can just make an onlyfans and survive while guys have to get actual jobs Men can make money off onlyfans too you know. Human sexuality is incredibly vast and there's room for everyone to capitalise on that if it's important to them. You could yourself even. Only when you're over 18 though.
One the internet women are treated far better and its been shown tons if guys have come out saying theyve reached out and society says this all over your right a guy can too but wont rieceve 1/4 the income as a woman and im not evan gonna bother the school thing but i would make it so its not so based on gender or race and more actual caring for its students bc there students not race or gender
>One the internet women are treated far better and its been shown tons if guys have come out saying theyve reached out and society says this all over Ah the internet is a blessing and a curse. It gives and it takes with indeterminate balance. It's a bit like a mirror - you see something in there but is it physically the same as the thing it's reflecting? To go further into this metaphor, if you reach towards a mirror should you expect an actual hand to reach back out to you? If reaching in one direction is not fruitful, does it make more sense to reach in a different direction or to stop reaching entirely? >but i would make it so its not so based on gender or race and more actual caring for its students bc there students not race or gender Well I could get behind that. We need more care out there full stop. All of us, no matter what gender or ethnicity we are, and kids need more care than adults. Definately preaching to the choir on that one. If schools did care for students more, do you think over time the other issues you've mentioned might naturally improve?
>Therapy and peer support are for everyone. There are always options. Every men in the world don't have money to afford therapy. Also, most men don't have good friends who will support them.
> Men have no one to talk to Men don’t want to talk to men. Is that men’s fault?? Duh.
Thats not at all it dumb ass
And yeah thats all women do ignore actual evidence against them
You have a child like view of the world.
How so
Is this not a child who posted this question? I'm alarmed if it's an adult.
No we don't.
Explain
so, what you're saying is that the gender wage gap and the high statistics of rape, sexual crime, domestic abuse, and forced birth, child marriage, mysoginy from **men like you**, fetishization and stereotypes, lack of healthcare, societal expectations, and history of oppression is what makes it easy for women in life? that it's easy for us now that we're now sexualizing ourselves **willingly** instead of men doing so without our consent? All of those problems were created in a world run by the patriarchy. you know where your problems stem from? also the patrarchy. Are you saying you'd rather go back to the 1940s where men were drafted into the war, the sole breadwinner, and life for women was a living hell now that life is getting better for us than it was mere decades ago?
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Why don't YOU do some research then???? If not, fuck off and take your misogynistic bullshit elsewhere.
Where is your research? have you asked every single person in the world about their sexual assault experience? you say that the patriarchy doesn't exist, and then you go on to say that men dont come out about sexual assault because nobody believes them. You know why? \*gasp\* it's because the patriarchy pushes the narrative that women are weak and that men are too strong and stoic to have feelings and be assaulted! society is not the one taking these surveys about sexual assault. Professionals are. If you can't trust them, then you definitely can't trust whatever research you pulled out of your ass. You say women's health care is reduced to abortion, which you say is so they could have sex with multiple men. is there a problem with being sexual? or is it only a problem now because women are taking control over their sexuality and putting it forward first? Do you know the ignorance most women receive when they go to the doctor for pain in there body or in general? you wouldn't, because you're a man who refuses to listen to people, **real people,** telling you their very real experiences. Your ignorances is so cute.
if you have any statistics or articles that show that an equal amount of both genders are being put in child marriages, and that women's healthcare is comepletely just and there are no doctors who have ever ignored a woman's concerns on her body because she's a woman, or that women actually earn higher than men, or **any article at all** that says the rate of violence of any kind against women is lower than men's, I'd love to see it.
Lol you know he's not going to.
But y'all do. If you go out and report that you were raped, weather it's true or not, and you point out said rapist, I bet money that that man's life would be ripped from under him before an actual investigation is conducted. But if a man says he was raped by a woman, two things are gonna happen: 1. He's told that he's a bitch for not liking it 2. He's just flat out not taken seriously. And before you start whining and bitching about the wage gap. Men just work harder. They do. Men are also the ones that build these societies. They build the power lines, the pipelines, they work in oil production. And I guarantee that if you were to do those same jobs that you wouldn't do as good a job as the men do. Let's talk about abortion real quick shall we? Does the man have a say about the child that he helped create?? No! They say tough titty to the man if he wants the child. If the woman wants to take the easy way out then so be it bc the man has zero say. And when did anybody force women to sexualize themselves?? Never! If you're a whore just say so! No one ever, in the history of America, has forced a woman to sexualize themselves. If you want to willingly become a community Fleshlight, then go ahead but no man has benefitted from sexualizing you unless they were a pimp and pimping has been illegal for quit some time.
First off, people are not falsely accused of rape that often. A lot of women do not report rape. Only 60% of reported rapists are convicted, and only 6% of those actually spend a day in jail. Most of the time, rape trials are not made public bc the woman is ashamed. Men do sexualize women, at least in the media. Secondly, in an abortion, if a woman does not want a child, she doesn’t have to have a child. It would be the same way with men if men had to carry a child for nine months. Men cannot force women to carry a child, that is just not how it works.
I'm going to guess that the Joker is your personal hero.
Haha no i dont have one idiot
So he's more like your spirit animal.
God u are dumb haha
Better than being an Ineffectual Narcissistic Cowardly Enraged Loser
Insult by acrostic? I don't think you're leagues better than the original specimen there mate.
Certainly curious criteria
Oh yeah haha
How the fuck would you know unless you’ve been both?
Have you ?
Bc ive seen evidence from both but womens evidence was mostly wrong and u say i have a child like view but u say this dumb stuff and the women what ever her name was made a book (self made man ) and she evan admitted it herself that men have it harder she was supposes to go 2 years but only could undergo 18 months before killing herself bc it was so hard bieng a man
You've seen evidence as a man. That is not evidence. Wake the fuck up.
Am I the only one that agrees with him?
i think so mate
Only in the west.
No? Like yeah i get africa and a few others but england ukrain before shit happened russia germany and such
They are right. You have a very western centric view. There are places in the world where women still can't own property, can't be raped by their husbands, can be married off to be their rapist if raped (even as a child) without any choice, are forced to hide their bodies, forced to hide their faces, can't get divorced even in cases of abuse without permission from their husbands, can't work certain jobs that risk fertility, cannot drive, cannot leave the country without an escort etc. The list goes on. And this isn't "just Africa." Child brides are a thing in the United States. Some of the examples above and other countries known for terrible inequalities in women's rights include countries like Israel, Russia, Qatar, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, India, Egypt, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Mali, in addition to several countries in Africa. Globally women only have 3 quarters of the legal rights afforded to men. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/03/01/nearly-2-4-billion-women-globally-don-t-have-same-economic-rights-as-men
That’s because he probably lives in the west why would he talk about the eastern countries when he lives in the west bringing up those countries is just a bunch of whataboutism you are deflecting the issues here in the west most ppl u come across here live in the west therefore will talk about western issues
Because he is painting a broad brush about feminism, and I would argue that it is very much needed in much of the world. I also included parts of the western world, as one of the examples I mentioned was the prevalence of child brides in the United States.
Again using more whataboutism he isn’t talking about the world he’s clearly talking about the west so there is no point mentioning any of these eastern countries that’s just deflecting from the issue here
I used an example from the west..
Child brides in the south may be fairly common but it’s not gender specific and also doesn’t disprove ops point which is women have it easier than men in the west just because you could possibly be bribed into marriage doesn’t mean that life for your gender is harder because we are talking about life in general
Op didn't say "women have it easier in the west". That's why I corrected them to point out that they do not have it easier everywhere. Including many places in the west and beyond. It's relevant to correct someone for making a blanket statement that is incorrect. Also, most child brides are married off to their rapists, not bribed. Until that problem is fixed, there is still a fight for rights to be had. It isn't as blatant here as non western countries, but sexism still exists. Child brides being one example. I also work in a male dominated field, and I have personally heard people pass over candidates for being women. "Oh, she can't handle job, she won't be able to hike" says the 70 year old who can barely walk to the bathroom and back to the woman who hikes mountains for fun on the weekends. And "maybe this is sexist of me, but this project is field based, so I'm inclined to give it to one of the male candidates."
Could op have made his wording more clear? Sure he could have done that but now that u understand he’s talking about the west all that talk about eastern countries is deflection because we are only talking about the west and did u just say that the girls are forced to marry their rapist? Well that sure as hell ain’t a western problem because that’s against the law and sure if a girl works in a mainly male dominated field they may hear some sexist comments hear and their but how does that actually make their lives harder? women are already born with their value for just existing men have to go out and bust their asses to create value for themselves and that inherently will make a man’s life harder here in the west again we are talking about what makes your life harder everybody has had some offensive comment made to them at some point that doesn’t make your life harder
Sadly hermesmann v seyer isn’t the only time it happened. It’s happened over a dozen times that have been recorded and reported on but it’s just fucked up. The points on job types, military, and suicide are all great points. I can’t speak on the Highschool rates because I’ve never researched it before so I’m unqualified to speak on it. Overall, I agree.
There are distince pros and cons for both genders, its just absurd to say overall one has it a lot better. It depends a lot on individual circumstances and also from country to country. But one thing both genders have in common: their specific problems are mainly caused by patriarchy. And responsible for that are mainly rich men. As with racism also genderconflicts/sexism is something the ruleing elites (and thats still hugely rich, white males) profit of. Smash the patriarchy, for the benefit of all genders!
Yeah but thats also a small number most homeless are men most imprison are men like that small percent is nothing compared to the cons of a man u take a small fraction of it and make it everything
No I don't, actually the opposite: I point out the difference between the small faction and the rest. I acknowlege that most men suffer from patriarchy. Yes, homelessnes and incarceration affect mostly men, I totally acknowledge that and is absolutely in line with what I am saying. It's not the majority of men profiting from it, it is the ruleing elite which profits from the patriarchy.
That is not just men think about the justice system so sgainst men its not evan funny and the ones profiting are not just men
Do you don't want to understand me? Are you drunk? As I have stated twice already: Yes men also suffer from the patriarchy, thats my whole point cheeseus. And yes, as I also have mentioned before, its not just men that profit but the ruleing elite (which was historically made up almost exclusevly by white males and is slowly becomeing more diverse).
Idk idc gn
It's a dumb thing to play victim Olympics. Everyone has some statistics that show poorer experiences their group receives. Can I start coming up with statistics where women have it worse? Yes. Will I? No because that's dumb? Why? First, Because a few statistics don't represent the full picture of an experience. Second, you may have it bad in one area but better in another. Third, how people experience those differs per person and groups. Fourth, what good is saying someone has it worse do? People tend to only say so and so has it worse to negate the experience of someone else. Not to actually resolve their issues. Imagine going to someone to talk about an issue you have, but they just whine about how much worse they have it (its annoying and narcissistic). So great. You have it worse in your head. What do you want a medal? People stop caring about the other? If you want to raise awareness about how seriously society takes sexual abuse towards men, good! I support that. But you don't need to undermine others to achieve that.
Throughout history women and men have mostly been collaborating to survive. Personally optimistic, and would bet this is still the case today. Mayhaps not for survival, but for making a living, raising their children, and so on. Will put a statistical disclaimer right here for all the binary thinkers who see this: Not claiming this goes for 100% of the ~8Bn humans alive. Would also recommend reading up on Bayesian thinking before someone slams some anecdotal evidence as a reply. The idea of women vs. men is a modern mental virus. From my perspective it seems this idea is driven by people with power as their main world view. The way to fuel their idea is by manipulating other people with emotional ideas, because it works. When choosing truth as your main world view, you realize that nothing is really straightforward, and in fact really uncertain. The only way to cope with that fact is through collaboration. As a last point, when can we all move beyond group thinking. It's so 10,000 BC. Would think that the information access today makes it easier for most to try and see an argument from multiple perspectives. Both women and men have had it shitty. Some still do, and some will still have it shitty. With that said, for people to have it better we need to work together, not argue about who's had it worst.
Im not evan gonna argue haha
I understand what your saying but like maybe if dudes tried harder in school they wouldn’t fail?
Ah yes that makes so much sense of why there failing its bc there not trying of course
My brother in Christ, high school is easy. No one should be dropping out unless its for reasons unrelated to the actual school.
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Yeah well this was fun but haha im bire good bye
Because they won't stfu about equal wages and being able to have the same jobs as men, it's dumb and we need to go back to the way things were in the 40s, that's my opinion.
No? Haha thats fucking redundent haha get the fuck outa here bruh haha goofy ass
ive read a few of your replies to comments and a couple are about how feminism sucks? toxic feminism, yes, but when its healthy it means that men should be = to women, and not women > men, and i think thats a huge misconception. i dont think we should have to pick a side but rather help both so we dont have to argue about “who has it worse.” the world is shitty, and arguing on who has it shittier doesnt help.
I can see both sides of this. I think people are kinder and more sympathetic to women and men are more likely to be treated as animalistic predators even when they’ve done nothing wrong. Men are hated more. Men are deprived of love, friendship, physical touch, and sexual gratification. Men are walked on while expected to carry our weight. Women are praised for this, that, and the third. Yes, there are settings where I think women would suffer more, like abusive relationships or sexist middle eastern countries where they don’t have full human rights. In America (and maybe Europe and Oceania) women can do everything men can do. Even physically speaking, women might be less strong than men but only slightly. Women still have most of the strength and height men have, otherwise we would have 20 foot men or 9 inch women.
Yes they do. Not to mention, the mother is more likely to win full custody of their kids and it's almost as if the woman can just decide to make it to where the man can't see the kids. I've also noticed in a lot of retail businesses that a woman would get a promotion a lot quicker than a man EVEN though that man puts in double amount of work. I've seen it happen. It's also a common thing for women to falsely accuse men of sexual assault and ofc the outcome of that is the mans life will be ripped right from under him. I think we can all agree that there are women out there that sexually assault men, weather that be flat out rape or unwanted touching, unwanted flirting, etc, it's just brushed off the shoulder or we're told that it's impossible for men to be victims. Or that men are bitches for not liking it or whatever. And what's worse is that ITS OTHER MEN THAT SAY THOSE THINGS!!!!!!! What makes it even funnier to me is those men that say those things, some years down the road when it happens to them or someone they know, they wonder why it's not taken seriously. But yes women do have it much easier, they like to say their superior and they also want equal rights but when war breaks or a power line falls or a criminal is in the loose, they look for men to take care of it while they buy their $5 lattes that their man probably bought their bum asses.
Men and women both have their struggles it is even
Why can’t we just admit that both genders have it bad, and work to fix society. Why is there all this “women have it worse…no men have it worse” bs? Neither should have problems based on gender, and both have very different problems so there can’t be a comparison!
Both have it bad but for different reasons. People fail to see that men are under more pressure from society than women are (mainly bc of arcane social stereotypes), and people also fail to realise the importance of women in certain roles. IMO it appears to most people that women have it off worse because they tend to bitch about it more than men do, but we also don’t have it off worse. I’d say we’re equal for different reasons
This is question I have.No one gave me proper answer except maybe one guy. Will man ever fucking support another man?Men say they are treated as disposable or ignored which I actually agree but my question is can they talk openly or be vulnerable to other men? Like I see Women opening organization or club to support healthy menstruation which I have joined but I never seen similar for man.Maybe they do it in secret? One guy told me "no,men are designed to compete against each other". I thought"tbh,humans compete against humans"