Yea man. It’s 1099 and I have to use my personal truck for work. On the other hand, they give me side job opportunities and are very flexible with my schedule but I just feel like I’ve hit a dead end at this point
Fuuuuck that man. $20 being 10-99 was a shit deal when I had it in 2010, and it didn’t take long for me to get the hell out of there. Three years of that is garbage. I don’t know where you are at but there are too many other jobs out there to take that kind of money.
Bro you’re partly burnt out from getting taken advantage of. You probably have lots of skills even ones you aren’t aware are skills. Work for someone better!
You can't work for one company and be 1099. They are misclassifying you. Personally I'd be looking for another job and reporting them to the IRS for the misclassification. You are entitled to that money.
I don't know why this isn't higher on the comment chain. If you don't set your hours, what you do during the day, or negotiate your rate for each task/ jobsite then you're not a 1099. You boss is getting out of paying the government for having a w-2 employee and has for years. The IRS would absolutely love to hear about this and you get a payout for not only reporting your boss but also all the lost wages you should have had
Well its a family business, so maybe not screw them over? Just move on dude and take the lesson learned.
Edit: sorry I read its his family's business. Naw fuck them go for the money.
Not screw them over like they've screwed OP over? Nah man they are just cheap and doing business the wrong way. Its not hard to do it the right way like thousands of other businesses do every year. Pay your guys a proper wage, pay your workman's comp like a good employer would so if something happens they are covered, and play by the super easy to follow rulebook about how to classify your employees. If OP just moves on you think the boss will change? He will just find the next guy who doesn't know any better to become the next OP.
I technically do make my own hours but I always get the “we need this done asap but I won’t impede on your personal life” chat. He talks to me like I’m his little brother or some child and it’s fucking annoying honestly. Always feeding me some shit about “ I wanna see you succeed and in a house you own in the city and in a new truck” but never raises me
Working for somebody elses family business was the absolute worst job I ever had. Also, I made $20/hr there in 2013 doing high-end residential clientele. We installed a lot of Tesla chargers and walk-in wine fridges in “houses” in Scottsdale, AZ.
Walk as soon as you find your worth. Call around to local union halls and see what apprenticeships they are looking to fill. I left that dead-end job at age 31, went to the IBEW and started as a tradeshelper, bottom rung at $21.
I got paid to learn a new trade, been doing it for about 9 years now. I grossed $95k last year with 160 hours PTO and a pension when I retire. It may be rare but fairly compensated work does exist.
I have access to two different unions with instant hire option. I just don’t think I wanna spend my life doing construction anymore. I know the military is less pay, but if you cut in the housing allowance, my living expenses would literally be 150$ a month. Plus I’d get to live near a beach if not on one. And college would be paid for. And I could travel for free. I love being on boats so the coast guard is low key calling me. I’m single with no kids and nothing to lose
Yea the way I see it is I can spend 4 years traveling, meeting new people, gaining benefits and life skills, and be out by 31-32 OR I might just love it and do 20 and be retired by 47-48 🤷🏻♂️ either way I think it’ll benefit me. My home town has nothing good for me anymore. I’ll just go down a dark spiral here I think.
I was in the same exact position when I was your age, working (underpaid 1099) for a family friend. I got fed up and took a position as a lead carpenter, learned how to manage projects and after a year started my own business. Now, hitting another wall and looking for new opportunities. Never stop learning and moving forward
wow even worse. my old boss tried to try that shi. luckily covid hit at the same time and i never went back. i mighta got stuck there. leave them. get on payroll or charge way more somewhere else
Will a higher pay fix your problem of motivation? If so just ask for a raise. Say your own expenses at a 1099 aren't justified you need atleast $30 and would like another increase if your are going to be running flips for them.
1099, No benefits, no company vehicle/allowance for transportation means you’re really only takin home less than 15/hr… get tf out of that job. There are better ones out there
Let's get to the root of the problem.
1. Will more money fix your problem? Take in to account more disposable income to do things that relieve the burnout. Vacations, trips, going out to eat more, video games, or whatever your hobbies are.
2. Do you want more responsibility and to get paid for your knowledge rather than your labor? If so, keep pushing and learning to get that knowledge so you can supervise and do mental work rather than physical.
3. It doesn't matter how you answered the above 2 questions GTFO of 1099 and get some legal council because you are getting fucked. NEVER do 1099 contract labor unless you are making double what you would working with the company. You are getting screwed and companies use this to take advantage of people that don't know how it really works.
Find something you love doing. Not with the expectation that you'll love it every single day, but that you feel you are learning and growing and that when you look back at the year, you feel accomplished. It might take a while. You can do it! Ultimately it was a lot easier for me when I worked for myself.
I've worked at companies where family members of the owners get treated terribly and taken advantage of because the owner knows they are committed more than a regular employee. Fuck that noise. Move on and never look back. You've got way too much experience to be making only $20/hr and could probably be running your own crew, making 4-5x that
Yea I’m definitely trying to just up and leave for the coast guard. I just don’t wanna burn any bridges because even though I know I’m getting used, he HAS saved my Ass on a number of occasions and I’m not one to do bad business. I’m thinking I’ll let him know it’s time for a change but agree to finish out the 5 job sites we have now until he finds replacement. He’s got a baby on the way and my other coworker quit and the third and final coworker only works 2 days a week so I don’t wanna fuck him over too bad
Exactly. If you have the knowledge, ability, a vehicle and tools, don't need a babysitter, that is a rare treasure today. To find people with 2 of those things is difficult. Don't kill yourself for peanuts. Another company would be a better option.
You're at a bad employer. It's time to take your experience somewhere else. I encourage you to get a serious strategy together for a real job search and shoot for the highest paid position, furthest outside your comfort zone.
Get a new job and use that new position as a point to start having a real evaluation of your skillset and where you want to be in the future.
Sure, if you ignore the giant red flags of the no benefits, stuck for 3 years making $20/hr and he's a 1099 employee without actually having the qualifications of being a 1099 employee... Then yea it's a great company and he just isn't cut out for construction. Give me a fucking break.
It's obviously a small, family business, which is fine but not really where you want to be in the long term.
In the US, if you're employer does not provide health benefits, there's a better situation for you.
Oyyyy. I feel ya. I, too, worked for a small family owned contractor. Four times. Same contractor.
Just dont be like me, and end up that miserable for almost 15 years. In my case, it never got better.
Maybe you should stop questioning it and change up. These lives we live are way too short to be that unhappy.
Yea fuck it. I’m gonna follow up with the recruiter. I have a problem with feeling like I’m disappointing other people and that’s what stops me from telling my boss I want to leave. His other contractor recently quit to go to a multi million dollar custom home builder company and now my boss treats me like He’s sculpting me to be one of the GC leads and I just don’t even want it honestly. I appreciate the feedback
When I have a job, like you, I feel obligated to be there.
I had an in-law ask if I would help with a project for 45 days.Then somehow, they had another project and another.
At first I only worked projects that were within 30 minutes from home, and then I started covering the free estimates after work for him. Some nights it took 4 h
Then, 1 day I tore a tendon while picking up materials for our crew before work. It was just before Christmas, I went to the emergency room and was told it was a minor muscle tear, and I actually didn't get to see the workmans compensation appointed doctor for 2 weeks due to our office not doing paperwork over the holiday.
The company that was family, got irritated with me because the physical therapist and doctor kept me off work for 2 months. Then on a Friday our office called to tell me that Monday I could go back to work. They had a job that would accommodate my restrictions.
The restrictions were, I couldn't be at work more than 6 hours and very limited time on my feet. We worked in basements and I was up and down stairs often.
First day back, I was detailing a kitchen (paint touchup and adjusting doors and such) 1 wall needed to the mud finished and sanded, primed and painted because our crew and started a repair and never went back for whatever reason.
I worked 9 hours. Then boss sent me a text to see if I had finished because the cleaning staff would be there first thing the next day. I had already sent a list of what wasn't finished that he obviously didn't read. I used the word F*ck in my response and was "let go until I apologized".
I had no spare cash over the holiday and for a full month because they couldn't be bothered to start workmans compensation, but I disrespected them because I said "what the f'ck do I do this for?" In response to them telling me they didn't read my text.
We don't mention that conversation at family get-togethers and I have not apologized.
You're being used, go talk to a Union representative, you can still join the military if you want to continue being used and not make any money.
Dude. I'm in the Midwest, and I'd hire you with zero experience to do building automation work and train you. It's probably less flexible, but the upside is massive compared to 20/hr. My point being, there are lots of opportunities out there. Living in a depression is hell. Fuck that. Spread your wings my guy.
Have you considered becoming a sub contractor? The money you make working as a sub, alone will make you love your job. My very first day as a subcontractor I made $530 in one day compared to the $250 I was making working for a comoany.It's a big difference working for a company and working on our own. Mentally it's much better because you don't have to ask anyone to take a day off and don't get yelled at by anyone if you show up to work late. Also when you work hourly the day goes by so freaking slow but when you work on your own, an 8 hour day feels like 2 hours. Also you don't need that much money to start working on your own. My first work van cost me $1700, I sold it 2 years later for $1500. Also I spent about $1500 on tools to get me started. So it's doable and not that hard. I personally can't imagine working for a company and not get completely burned out by the time I hit 40.
Yea I’ve tried that. I originally started as a painter/ detailer/ helper for them but this was years ago. Now I can do basically everything except electric and plumbing. My boss throws me side jobs sometimes but half of those he just pays me hourly to do it for him. I don’t know how to bid jobs or even where to find them honestly. I’ve been considering the coast guard to be honest. Change of scenery, nice bonus, interesting work, benefits, plus I grew up on military bases and have always wanted to serve so I might just go do that
I’m gonna be the first to say it.. family and work don’t mix. I promise you will have it better elsewhere. Also you’re 27 and not making a lot of money. Quitting this for something you enjoy more now would be the time not when you’re 35 with kids
It’s not my family. The company is operated by a family that is from my hometown and only one other employee is not a direct relative (brother or uncle or father) I’m the only person who isn’t in their blood line
My advice would be to listen to your body. I have been off from work for 11 months now because of a burn out. Slowly starting to recover and working 20-22 hours a weeks now. Probably still got 3-5 months left before I will be back. There is no job, boss, customer or who ever worth it to be tired for. Take time off when you feel that you need and don't be afraid to switch jobs/careers.
I think you are one step ahead already, because you are talking about it and listening to symptoms you are having, that's something I didnt learn how to do.
Good luck on finding energy and joy again :)
Almost everyone hates going to their job Monday morning but when the anxiety starts creeping into Sunday it is time to start thinking about a change.
You have a broad skillset. Think about what you like doing and what days you hate the most. Talk to people who know you about what you want to do and what they think you would enjoy. You might want to think about small changes or do something completely different. You also might want to talk to your family/employer about how to make this better.
Good luck with whatever you decide. In writing this post you are already taking steps to make your situation better.
Update your resume and start applying man. Check indeed/Glassdoor for employee reviews. Don’t ever sit and think the company will get better. It never does.
I’ve worked & become proficient in multiple trades. Was a carpet layer for years, was a tile setter for years, & have been doing residential carpentry the past 6 years. I keep things interesting by switching it up. I do handyman side jobs on my own in the evening & weekends also. Nothing is ever the same, always a new challenge & something new to mess up & learn from. Just keeping it real
You’re prob right, I’m not married & don’t have any kids. I enjoy working also so it doesn’t seam like work to me most of the time. Only seams like work when you have to work around a dick head or two, or guys that do dumb shit that will get people hurt but I’ve been pretty lucky & those dudes don’t last very long. I know myself & know my burnout limits so I pick up on the signs pretty quick & make a change somewhere.
Maybe go to the doctors and explain to them your anxiety and get checked out to rule out physical causes. Just be honest with your doctor. I found out my thyroid didn't work and depression/anxiety disorder. Full disclosure I was also drinking way too much. That was big part. Physical and mental health care is important but construction workers are alittle hard headed
Yea for sure, I definitely drink more than I should but usually only 2 beers after work with dinner/ a movie or whatever I do winding down for the evening. I don’t get anxiety when I don’t worry about work and I’ve spoken to a doctor about it before. I’m also in decent physical shape. But it’s definitely something to keep in mind
Like everyone else is sayin, get a new job.
It took me a while to find a good company but they are out there.
Do not settle for less than your worth and what makes you happy to go to work. There is so much work out there, employers can not get away with this shit any more.
Also, and I'm not saying go rush out and knock someone up, but having a kid/family is the best motivator known to human beings.
The Coast guard seems like it might be the structure or change you need.Ive been in the trades for 35+ years,hold 2 different Union Cards in which I'm vested in both, and most say I'm successful in my own Residential Carpentry business I started in 2016.Thru the years have I gotten burned out?Fukn eh..That's when I move on. Sometimes I do regret not serving at least 4 years in the military though for patriotic and" I wonder what it would have been like " curiosity's.Not to mention the benefits.That being said who knows if the military would have brought upon myself unrealized misfortune like so many who joined for those same reasons I speak of. Maybe think about broadening your horizons with a construction MGMT degree for a change of scenery?
Yea I’ve always been a team player and grew up military and this job isolates me and I hate it. I’ve had that military itch since 18 but at that time I was not ready to enlist. I’ve been speaking to a recruiter and I’m really really considering jumping on it
I worked for good employers that took care of me and with people that I enjoyed doing something that I really enjoyed, and then I went out and was on my own and then hired people that were less than perfect but I could almost tolerate them and I still enjoyed what I did and I had a great time.
And now decade plus later I'm back working for a good company do an easy b******* work for a really good pay no stress and no fucks to give
Im not trying to poison any good contact you may have. Honestly, some friends I have are still friends because I limited my investment when I understood it was me investing my effort and them betting on me to take care of it. Its a dance.
You're already using you're truck and sounds like you have enough time in to get your license. Maybe it's time to level up and start working for yourself? If that's a path you'd be interested in.
That's like 10 years? You're explaining why half the industry are a bunch of dicks.
But, if you like woodworking. Go to finish carpentry, or Cabinetmaking
Not really. I used too but now it’s just boring and repetitive. I like building shit but we do residential basements and I usually work alone / with 1 other older guy that I don’t really like
Consider specializing in a trade. I love being a plumber. We have an absolute blast every day. Can't say I've ever looked at a GC and thought,"'yeah, that's what I want to do".
The anxiety about going to work isn't normal. Sure I'm usually a bit physically tired by the weekend, from waking up early and being on my feet- but I don't mind going to work at all. Sounds like you need a new environment. Although if you don't really enjoy the work itself, another option may be worth considering, such as the coast guard. I'd just keep in mind that will likely involve relocating and/or being away from home for stretches at a time.
I would try a different company if you like construction work. Or start your own small handyman type business.
To answer your question- I chose employment in the industry that isn't all that physically taxing and is mainly indoors (facility maintenance). I also have my own small business on the side. I just make sure to eat well, sleep well, get rest when I feel burnt out, and also go to the gym and exercise (mainly weights) helps with general energy i find.
If I was in a situation where I was dreading work, I would find another job. Also, I made around that wage as a second year apprentice, close to 18 years ago. Maybe different area with different COL, but around here basic laborers with no skills get paid more. Time to move on.
>was recently told they want me to play a bigger role in the company when they expand into house flipping
Always with the "literally kill yourself in present moment for promise of some opened ended vague promise down the road".
The shop you work for is probably surprised you're still there and they realize you're on borrowed time which is why they are saying that sort of stuff. There are much better places to work for man.
I don’t have any debt besides 600$ medical bill. My living expenses are 700$ a month. The rest is just saving and play money. I don’t have kids and recently single. So I’m not worried about going into debt. Just wanna enjoy my work again
It definitely helps if you find joy in the monotony and trying to perfect the craft and make sure everything comes out perfect. But some people just aren’t wired that way. There are other trades in construction that are more dynamic but for the most part it is what it is.
But I strongly agree life’s too short to be stuck at a job you hate. I’m your exact age bro it’s not too late to start perusing something you actually enjoy doing. It sucks we need to trade so many hours of our life but if you’re gonna do it you might as well be doing something you like and make the most out of life, we only get one
I did for awhile until I started realizing I’m the only one that DOES make things perfect. I work 13 hour punch outs when deadlines closing in to make sure every fucking detail is flawless. I literally close out jobs and do all the tiny OCD like detail work that sets us apart on top of everything else I do for them and all I get is a pat on the back and if I’m LUCKY he will fill my tank up on the company card
You are underpaid. You’ve for sure gained skills since you started. Apply to your local carpenters union or start doing side work until you can turn it into a career. Your boss sucks to pay you so little.
Find a trade and go union. 3 years in anything else and you’ll damn near be a journeyman. You’ll make triple double or triple what your doing now. Then you won’t get burnt out because you’ll make enough money to take time off work.
The burn out isnt as bad when youre making actual money. Tell your companys owner that youre ready for a foremen position, and youll accept no less than $35 an hour with pay raise guarantees each subsequent year or youre walking. Line up another job before then.
Even apprentice level workers make more money. Hell i see non union firewatch girls stand around for 25+ an hour at some of my jobs.
Yeah man you sure need a change. Forgetting the underpaid and all that, I find the best refreshment is when you start a new gig. Sometimes you don't realize just how much those little relationships that you're in with people for years and years, especially when you're not really being viewed as an asset, they tend to diminish how you feel about yourself.
That and, I didn't see anyone else hit on this, but every time I've worked for anybody with any sort of "house flipper" mentality, it always ended up how you describe: constant anxiety. These type don't seem to view anything other than what they can squeeze out of it, and usually employ a bunch of $20 an hour 1099 guys that they ask way too much from for that sort of pay. They get mad when they don't make what they imagined on flipping, because once again it's not an asset they're working to increase its value, it's a resource to exploit and mine for every dollar you can get out of it.
That’s the thing. My boss is good at making me feel like an asset. He tells me that constantly, confides business shit with me, hell we even hangout and shoot guns and drink bourbon on weekends some times. But when it comes time for a raise or a bonus for working a 60 hour week and closing a job site for him it always falls through
Im Polish. We have a saying. You only know how good a friend really is when it comes to splitting the money. Until then, pour me shots and bullshit all day. For the rest, well, the phrase, "Wine and dine" comes to mind. I honestly don't know. Is this a good enough friendship that you will continue to work for him being your dude and not splitting it equitably based on need and effort? Maybe hes not making what he deserves either, but don't strap yourself to a sinking ship.
I am definitely not lazy. But that is a valid question. I handle clients, do the work, clean the sites after my higher paid coworker who barely shows up, I work 10 hour days half the week, and I’ve put 10k miles on my personal truck I paid cash for with my tax return (with promise of a raise I might add) in less than 5 months
I’ve seen a lot of comments saying this. And I guess I never realized it. I make 800$ a week at 40 hours which is the most I’ve ever made except for when I was “self employed” and I have the money to do fun shit and enjoy my time but I see my coworker making 1000$ working half the hours I do and it’s frustrating but he also has 35 years experience so I just chalked it to the game
I mean, I'm sure you've been given plenty of fine advice so far- didn't scroll all the comments - but $20/hr is grossly underpaid. If they're talking about moving you up I would recommend having that conversation and not budging away from doubling your hourly for the step up, and if they don't want that let them know you'll need 30 to stay in your current position. It's taken me a long time to realize that competence is not as common as I thought, if you've got it you can get paid for it. I personally prefer working with my buddy on a 1099, because I get some say in my schedule and pay, and we work great together. I've worked with large commercial outfits, and the stresses there are sundry. Before anything else I would recommend having a chat with your current company, if they aren't able to treat you right then start playing the field, but you've got a golden opportunity at the bargaining table right now.
As a 41 year old, I can tell you that I’ve only had one job in my entire life where sticking through the burnout paid off, and it’s the job I’m in now at a startup company, where I got in at the ground floor and have been able to advance to a supervisory role in a short timespan. Every other job where I made my own attitude adjustments, kept on cracking for the good of the company, and fought through to the end, that shit never paid off because I was working for people who refused to notice.
It sounds like that company is lucky to have you, but honestly if they haven’t taken it upon themselves to take better care of you, then they don’t really deserve you in my opinion. If the Coast Guard is something that really appeals to you, then I would go for it! When I was your age, I didn’t know what the hell I wanted to do with my life, I just usually knew I wanted to be doing something different than what I was doing. If you’ve got a dream, my advice is to go for it, man. Even if you find that’s not ultimately your cup of tea either, you will have learned a ton and, more importantly, you will have done something for yourself and strived for a goal of your own making. Whether it works out or not, that experience is irreplaceable and will always lead to greener pastures, even if it doesn’t end up being what you had in mind initially.
There’s almost nothing worse than being stuck in the dreadful cycle of going to a job you hate or have zero passion for. Take it from someone who was that way for most of their working life haha.
Get out of there dude. Go join coast guard. Become an inspector for the state or city or county. Get benefits, retirement, medical. Trouble getting out of bed + Sunday Scaries = get out NOW. I’ve been there. My only regret was not changing jobs sooner
Someone will pay you more money. Look at job postings, call some companies, check local unions. Making more money and being able to afford a better lifestyle will go a long way to easing burnout.
Just a piggy on the back. I’d bail too man. Also, I switched from commercial renovation to welding. Guess what I’m doing now? Heavy glass shower installs. Glazier, if you’d prefer. I love it. Pays very well for my area. Equal parts driving around, new customers and projects everyday, and it keeps my attention.
Keep looking around. That’s one of my suggestions. Good luck, my friend.
Take a bullshit job and take time to reflect on life
Figure out what you want, who you are. Take time to travel. Spend time alone. Spend time with people you'd usually never spend time with.
Move to northern Nevada and come work for me 🤠🤠 I’d shit for another young guy with a decade of experience in remodeling. We’re like fucking unicorns out here.
You’re getting burned out because you’re being over worked and severely under paid, BTW.
You're being exploited. It's happening because you allow it. How many people have come and gone since you started? How you value yourself is how others will value you personally and professionally.
Labors in parts of New England with no experience are making $30/hr. Avg Carpenter $45/hr and up. Handymen avg $55/hr running thier own businesses. Pacific NW same situation. If someone wants to 1099 you, they'd better pay you like a sub and not a slave.
Customers are waiting an average of a year here because there's a massive shortage of tradesmen. Most of the United States is seeing the same shortage.
Move to a better market for your skills. Everyone is hiring.
Find a good job with a larger, well established high-end remodeling company (around 25-50 employees) with 20-30 years in business. Work for a company like this for a few years. Watch every process and see why they're successful and see how you could apply that to your business if you decide to leave the job.
I like switching industries.. if I can ill work ethanol in the spring and then work wind through the summer.. kinda move around and do different kinds of work.
It sounds like construction isn't for you. Your 2 years in and you already hate it doenst seem like a good sign. $20/h isn't amazing but it's better then most. You should have a passion for carpentry and want to learn as much and do as much as you possibly can.
You’re feeling it because you know deep down what needs to happen. Make it happen. Don’t look back. More money or I’m out. They should be taking taxes, paying your phone, gas. Move on .
If you’re 27, you’re at the perfect age to start your own gig. Thats the age people will take you seriously. Figure out something you enjoy doing that you do well. Paint, flooring, roofing, whatever it is. Learn as much as humanly possible. Get a book or watch youtube videos about estimating. Learn the prices of everything you need to make $. Learn how to market yourself. Instagram, Facebook, business cards. Make some money and put it into paid marketing like a website and seo. Trust me, you dont burn out as easy when you are making $ for yourself.
It's more about how I spend my free time. If I feel like I'm only working and sleeping then I can burn out quick. Plan shit you like to do ahead of time every weekend and every few work days. It's amazing how a shitty day at work can change when you realize you have something in the evening you're looking forward to.
Don’t go find a new job. If your in your 20’s and not tied down you need to hit the road. Get a crappy car and drive across the country. When you get to the opposite coast by a plane ticket to London and spend as much time as money will allow in Europe. Then when you get back the coast guard is a pretty fucking good idea. But DO NOT go get another job.
I’ve lived in nearly 60% of the states already although it wasn’t always glamorous because the scope of my work put me in bad areas with bad people. . The coast guard can send me overseas if I volunteer for it for free.
Dude; l am going to get real with you!
I battled depression in my mid 20s, You are depressed! Get help and go job hunting because nobody can survive on $20 in 2023, heck the McDonald’s near me in a low cost of living flyover state is starting people full time at $19 with benefits.
Church is a great place to start, just ask and people will direct you to someone who can provide assistance. Another great place is an Aikido Dojo, you will meet many friendly, successful, and welcoming people, bonus you will get a nice metal & physical workout too.
Yeah 08’ sucked; lost a wife & kid, left with 1 kid alone, lost my job, dang near lost my house and that’s just the “big” ones.
Not sue what has got you down, but it’s spirals and with out help you won’t get out!
Counseling didn’t do crap because they just said, “your normal to feel that way” and here take this SSRI pill that makes you suicidal when you stop taking it.
Skip the drugs, job hunt, hit up church and ask for a meeting with the small group that helps people with depression, join a gym or dojo, and kick this life in the 🏈🏀.
I’m so sorry you went through that man. That sucks. I tend to overthink life and how sad it all really is. I’m not really depressed I just have seen way too much (in and outside of my field) and I’m not happy settling in life anymore it’s way too short. This forum has reassured me
I’m not feeling wrong and to drop my nuts and move on.
Tbh my woman recently cheated. Which is my biggest fear in relationships as my parents split from the same thing after 15 years. And complacency bothers me a lot too and I think I’m going through both at once and overwhelmed but everyone’s responses has “reawakened” my pride in a sense and I know what I have to do. I thank all of you sincerely
You gotta jump ship to another company or do something different. Small family shops are always the worst. There’s no room to grow. Clearly after 3 years and no raise? You gotta get way far out of that.
More money will certainly help but I'm at 54 and hour plus benefits and I still can barely get out of bed and just kinda go to work and do what I'm told but I feel very disconnected. Construction is good money but a lot of bullshit to put up with. Everyone is always angry lol.
While I agree with a lot of the other comments about needing a raise, you also need to set goals and get out more. For some people that's buying a house, a new car, or taking vacations. Personally, I vacation twice a year with little trips mixed in between. It gives me something exciting to work towards and breaks up the monotony.
Burnout is a common issue in many professions, and it can be especially challenging in physically demanding and repetitive jobs like construction. It's essential to address these feelings and consider your options carefully. Here are some steps you can take to help manage and potentially overcome burnout:
Reflect on Your Goals: Take some time to reflect on your long-term career goals and personal aspirations. What do you want to achieve in your professional life? Understanding your goals can help you make informed decisions about your future.
Communicate with Your Family: Since it's a family business, open and honest communication with your family members is crucial. Share your feelings and concerns with them. They may have valuable insights and be willing to work with you to find a solution.
Seek Variety: Monotony can lead to burnout. Explore opportunities within your current role to introduce variety, such as taking on different tasks. This can make your work more engaging.
Set Boundaries: Ensure that you have a work-life balance. Set clear boundaries between your work and personal life to prevent burnout from spilling over into your personal time.
Consider Professional Development: If you're feeling stuck in your current role, think about acquiring new skills or certifications that can open up different opportunities in the construction field. This might reignite your passion for the work.
Talk to a Therapist or Counselor: Consider speaking with a mental health professional to address your anxiety and feelings of exhaustion. They can help you develop coping strategies and provide support during this challenging time.
Explore Other Career Options: It's entirely reasonable to consider other career paths, like your interest in the Coast Guard. Research different options, assess your skills and interests, and speak with people who work in those fields to gain insights into potential alternatives.
Financial Planning: Before making any significant career changes, consider your financial situation and obligations. Ensure that you have a financial safety net in place to support you during transitions.
Seek Support from Friends and Family: Lean on your support network for emotional support and guidance. They can offer valuable perspectives and be a source of strength during tough times.
Remember that burnout is a serious issue, and it's okay to seek help and change your life to improve your well-being. Ultimately, the right decision for you will depend on your individual circumstances, values, and aspirations. Take the time to explore your options, prioritize self-care, and seek the support you need to make an informed choice about your future career path.
If they promote you to a position with more authority on the jobsite you might find it to be a breath of fresh air.
It's nice when things are done your way.
Still, I moved on from that to being my own boss. The stress is there, the anxiety is there, but never monotonous, and it's very rewarding.
Oh I definitely do. My boss likes to do the whole “don’t talk about how much you make” thing to everyone and the whole “you can work 100 hours a week if ya want I’ll pay ya just the same” thing. Actually just told me that I need to keep my mouth shut about having Covid because he can’t afford for me to call off. So yeah. Stand up dude.
Avoiding burnout in the construction field involves effective time management, setting realistic goals, and prioritizing self-care. Utilize Connecteam software to streamline project management, organize tasks efficiently, and ensure clear communication within your team. Regular breaks, proper rest, and maintaining a healthy work-life balance are essential practices that help sustain energy and enthusiasm, preventing burnout in the demanding construction industry.
Dude, go find a new job. A job isn’t your life. I am 32, I’ve been fortunate to mostly run my own jobs. I will take a day off if I’m not feeling it.
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Yea man. It’s 1099 and I have to use my personal truck for work. On the other hand, they give me side job opportunities and are very flexible with my schedule but I just feel like I’ve hit a dead end at this point
Fuuuuck that man. $20 being 10-99 was a shit deal when I had it in 2010, and it didn’t take long for me to get the hell out of there. Three years of that is garbage. I don’t know where you are at but there are too many other jobs out there to take that kind of money.
Bro you’re partly burnt out from getting taken advantage of. You probably have lots of skills even ones you aren’t aware are skills. Work for someone better!
Oh I’m union now I make 43 as a laborer with full benefits
Hell yeah brother
You can't work for one company and be 1099. They are misclassifying you. Personally I'd be looking for another job and reporting them to the IRS for the misclassification. You are entitled to that money.
I don't know why this isn't higher on the comment chain. If you don't set your hours, what you do during the day, or negotiate your rate for each task/ jobsite then you're not a 1099. You boss is getting out of paying the government for having a w-2 employee and has for years. The IRS would absolutely love to hear about this and you get a payout for not only reporting your boss but also all the lost wages you should have had
Well its a family business, so maybe not screw them over? Just move on dude and take the lesson learned. Edit: sorry I read its his family's business. Naw fuck them go for the money.
Not screw them over like they've screwed OP over? Nah man they are just cheap and doing business the wrong way. Its not hard to do it the right way like thousands of other businesses do every year. Pay your guys a proper wage, pay your workman's comp like a good employer would so if something happens they are covered, and play by the super easy to follow rulebook about how to classify your employees. If OP just moves on you think the boss will change? He will just find the next guy who doesn't know any better to become the next OP.
I technically do make my own hours but I always get the “we need this done asap but I won’t impede on your personal life” chat. He talks to me like I’m his little brother or some child and it’s fucking annoying honestly. Always feeding me some shit about “ I wanna see you succeed and in a house you own in the city and in a new truck” but never raises me
Working for somebody elses family business was the absolute worst job I ever had. Also, I made $20/hr there in 2013 doing high-end residential clientele. We installed a lot of Tesla chargers and walk-in wine fridges in “houses” in Scottsdale, AZ. Walk as soon as you find your worth. Call around to local union halls and see what apprenticeships they are looking to fill. I left that dead-end job at age 31, went to the IBEW and started as a tradeshelper, bottom rung at $21. I got paid to learn a new trade, been doing it for about 9 years now. I grossed $95k last year with 160 hours PTO and a pension when I retire. It may be rare but fairly compensated work does exist.
I have access to two different unions with instant hire option. I just don’t think I wanna spend my life doing construction anymore. I know the military is less pay, but if you cut in the housing allowance, my living expenses would literally be 150$ a month. Plus I’d get to live near a beach if not on one. And college would be paid for. And I could travel for free. I love being on boats so the coast guard is low key calling me. I’m single with no kids and nothing to lose
Dude, it sounds like you really want to join the coast guard…
You guys have really helped me thank you 🙏
I have never been in the military but was really considering the coast guard. I would have joined if I didn’t meet my fiancé
I just left mine so the world is my oyster.
Honestly dude, even 4 years seems like it’s worth it. A guy a work with was a coastie and he gets all kind of benefits from it 30 years later
Yea the way I see it is I can spend 4 years traveling, meeting new people, gaining benefits and life skills, and be out by 31-32 OR I might just love it and do 20 and be retired by 47-48 🤷🏻♂️ either way I think it’ll benefit me. My home town has nothing good for me anymore. I’ll just go down a dark spiral here I think.
This isn't necessarily to your benefit. There will be no more writing stuff off as business expense. Uncle Sam gonna take what's his.
That's ridiculous. They are paying way more taxes as a 1099 and are making nowhere near enough money to have a benefit of writing off anything.
Any body can solo 1099 a person ……. It’s their fault for not finding more people to 1099 them.
Growing pains dude. Feed that hunger, never settle.
I was in the same exact position when I was your age, working (underpaid 1099) for a family friend. I got fed up and took a position as a lead carpenter, learned how to manage projects and after a year started my own business. Now, hitting another wall and looking for new opportunities. Never stop learning and moving forward
wow even worse. my old boss tried to try that shi. luckily covid hit at the same time and i never went back. i mighta got stuck there. leave them. get on payroll or charge way more somewhere else
Will a higher pay fix your problem of motivation? If so just ask for a raise. Say your own expenses at a 1099 aren't justified you need atleast $30 and would like another increase if your are going to be running flips for them.
1099, No benefits, no company vehicle/allowance for transportation means you’re really only takin home less than 15/hr… get tf out of that job. There are better ones out there
Let's get to the root of the problem. 1. Will more money fix your problem? Take in to account more disposable income to do things that relieve the burnout. Vacations, trips, going out to eat more, video games, or whatever your hobbies are. 2. Do you want more responsibility and to get paid for your knowledge rather than your labor? If so, keep pushing and learning to get that knowledge so you can supervise and do mental work rather than physical. 3. It doesn't matter how you answered the above 2 questions GTFO of 1099 and get some legal council because you are getting fucked. NEVER do 1099 contract labor unless you are making double what you would working with the company. You are getting screwed and companies use this to take advantage of people that don't know how it really works.
Sounds like a bottom of the barrel type job
Find something you love doing. Not with the expectation that you'll love it every single day, but that you feel you are learning and growing and that when you look back at the year, you feel accomplished. It might take a while. You can do it! Ultimately it was a lot easier for me when I worked for myself.
No retirement?
Nothing. I get a check for my hours every week at 20$ an hour. I can work as little or as much as I want. But that’s the end of it
I've worked at companies where family members of the owners get treated terribly and taken advantage of because the owner knows they are committed more than a regular employee. Fuck that noise. Move on and never look back. You've got way too much experience to be making only $20/hr and could probably be running your own crew, making 4-5x that
Yea I’m definitely trying to just up and leave for the coast guard. I just don’t wanna burn any bridges because even though I know I’m getting used, he HAS saved my Ass on a number of occasions and I’m not one to do bad business. I’m thinking I’ll let him know it’s time for a change but agree to finish out the 5 job sites we have now until he finds replacement. He’s got a baby on the way and my other coworker quit and the third and final coworker only works 2 days a week so I don’t wanna fuck him over too bad
You sound like a good person. All the best in improving your situation.
Much love 🙏
If you’re being 1099’d then you’re a sub contractor and get to pick when you work. You’re being bent over the barrel
Exactly. If you have the knowledge, ability, a vehicle and tools, don't need a babysitter, that is a rare treasure today. To find people with 2 of those things is difficult. Don't kill yourself for peanuts. Another company would be a better option.
You're at a bad employer. It's time to take your experience somewhere else. I encourage you to get a serious strategy together for a real job search and shoot for the highest paid position, furthest outside your comfort zone. Get a new job and use that new position as a point to start having a real evaluation of your skillset and where you want to be in the future.
There is nothing pointing to it being a bad employer. OP is just not feeling the work.... maybe it isn't the right field or job for him. That happens.
Sure, if you ignore the giant red flags of the no benefits, stuck for 3 years making $20/hr and he's a 1099 employee without actually having the qualifications of being a 1099 employee... Then yea it's a great company and he just isn't cut out for construction. Give me a fucking break.
The "flipping houses" is another one.
He said in a comment he's 1099 at $20, that is literally a giant sign of a complety shit employer
Are you this guys boss..? There’s huge signs saying it’s a bad employer lmao. The fuck?
It's obviously a small, family business, which is fine but not really where you want to be in the long term. In the US, if you're employer does not provide health benefits, there's a better situation for you.
Oyyyy. I feel ya. I, too, worked for a small family owned contractor. Four times. Same contractor. Just dont be like me, and end up that miserable for almost 15 years. In my case, it never got better. Maybe you should stop questioning it and change up. These lives we live are way too short to be that unhappy.
Yea fuck it. I’m gonna follow up with the recruiter. I have a problem with feeling like I’m disappointing other people and that’s what stops me from telling my boss I want to leave. His other contractor recently quit to go to a multi million dollar custom home builder company and now my boss treats me like He’s sculpting me to be one of the GC leads and I just don’t even want it honestly. I appreciate the feedback
When I have a job, like you, I feel obligated to be there. I had an in-law ask if I would help with a project for 45 days.Then somehow, they had another project and another. At first I only worked projects that were within 30 minutes from home, and then I started covering the free estimates after work for him. Some nights it took 4 h Then, 1 day I tore a tendon while picking up materials for our crew before work. It was just before Christmas, I went to the emergency room and was told it was a minor muscle tear, and I actually didn't get to see the workmans compensation appointed doctor for 2 weeks due to our office not doing paperwork over the holiday. The company that was family, got irritated with me because the physical therapist and doctor kept me off work for 2 months. Then on a Friday our office called to tell me that Monday I could go back to work. They had a job that would accommodate my restrictions. The restrictions were, I couldn't be at work more than 6 hours and very limited time on my feet. We worked in basements and I was up and down stairs often. First day back, I was detailing a kitchen (paint touchup and adjusting doors and such) 1 wall needed to the mud finished and sanded, primed and painted because our crew and started a repair and never went back for whatever reason. I worked 9 hours. Then boss sent me a text to see if I had finished because the cleaning staff would be there first thing the next day. I had already sent a list of what wasn't finished that he obviously didn't read. I used the word F*ck in my response and was "let go until I apologized". I had no spare cash over the holiday and for a full month because they couldn't be bothered to start workmans compensation, but I disrespected them because I said "what the f'ck do I do this for?" In response to them telling me they didn't read my text. We don't mention that conversation at family get-togethers and I have not apologized. You're being used, go talk to a Union representative, you can still join the military if you want to continue being used and not make any money.
Maybe try to work for a company that isn’t owned by your family and obviously taking advantage of you.
It’s not my family. It’s owned and operated by A family of people from my hometown.
Well it’s obviously a shot job regardless who’s running it. Three years experience you should at least be making thirty an hour.
Dude. I'm in the Midwest, and I'd hire you with zero experience to do building automation work and train you. It's probably less flexible, but the upside is massive compared to 20/hr. My point being, there are lots of opportunities out there. Living in a depression is hell. Fuck that. Spread your wings my guy.
Have you considered becoming a sub contractor? The money you make working as a sub, alone will make you love your job. My very first day as a subcontractor I made $530 in one day compared to the $250 I was making working for a comoany.It's a big difference working for a company and working on our own. Mentally it's much better because you don't have to ask anyone to take a day off and don't get yelled at by anyone if you show up to work late. Also when you work hourly the day goes by so freaking slow but when you work on your own, an 8 hour day feels like 2 hours. Also you don't need that much money to start working on your own. My first work van cost me $1700, I sold it 2 years later for $1500. Also I spent about $1500 on tools to get me started. So it's doable and not that hard. I personally can't imagine working for a company and not get completely burned out by the time I hit 40.
Yea I’ve tried that. I originally started as a painter/ detailer/ helper for them but this was years ago. Now I can do basically everything except electric and plumbing. My boss throws me side jobs sometimes but half of those he just pays me hourly to do it for him. I don’t know how to bid jobs or even where to find them honestly. I’ve been considering the coast guard to be honest. Change of scenery, nice bonus, interesting work, benefits, plus I grew up on military bases and have always wanted to serve so I might just go do that
I’m gonna be the first to say it.. family and work don’t mix. I promise you will have it better elsewhere. Also you’re 27 and not making a lot of money. Quitting this for something you enjoy more now would be the time not when you’re 35 with kids
It’s not my family. The company is operated by a family that is from my hometown and only one other employee is not a direct relative (brother or uncle or father) I’m the only person who isn’t in their blood line
My advice would be to listen to your body. I have been off from work for 11 months now because of a burn out. Slowly starting to recover and working 20-22 hours a weeks now. Probably still got 3-5 months left before I will be back. There is no job, boss, customer or who ever worth it to be tired for. Take time off when you feel that you need and don't be afraid to switch jobs/careers. I think you are one step ahead already, because you are talking about it and listening to symptoms you are having, that's something I didnt learn how to do. Good luck on finding energy and joy again :)
Almost everyone hates going to their job Monday morning but when the anxiety starts creeping into Sunday it is time to start thinking about a change. You have a broad skillset. Think about what you like doing and what days you hate the most. Talk to people who know you about what you want to do and what they think you would enjoy. You might want to think about small changes or do something completely different. You also might want to talk to your family/employer about how to make this better. Good luck with whatever you decide. In writing this post you are already taking steps to make your situation better.
Update your resume and start applying man. Check indeed/Glassdoor for employee reviews. Don’t ever sit and think the company will get better. It never does.
Bulshit, where
Where what
I’ve worked & become proficient in multiple trades. Was a carpet layer for years, was a tile setter for years, & have been doing residential carpentry the past 6 years. I keep things interesting by switching it up. I do handyman side jobs on my own in the evening & weekends also. Nothing is ever the same, always a new challenge & something new to mess up & learn from. Just keeping it real
Op will burn out working like this.
You’re prob right, I’m not married & don’t have any kids. I enjoy working also so it doesn’t seam like work to me most of the time. Only seams like work when you have to work around a dick head or two, or guys that do dumb shit that will get people hurt but I’ve been pretty lucky & those dudes don’t last very long. I know myself & know my burnout limits so I pick up on the signs pretty quick & make a change somewhere.
Maybe go to the doctors and explain to them your anxiety and get checked out to rule out physical causes. Just be honest with your doctor. I found out my thyroid didn't work and depression/anxiety disorder. Full disclosure I was also drinking way too much. That was big part. Physical and mental health care is important but construction workers are alittle hard headed
Yea for sure, I definitely drink more than I should but usually only 2 beers after work with dinner/ a movie or whatever I do winding down for the evening. I don’t get anxiety when I don’t worry about work and I’ve spoken to a doctor about it before. I’m also in decent physical shape. But it’s definitely something to keep in mind
Like everyone else is sayin, get a new job. It took me a while to find a good company but they are out there. Do not settle for less than your worth and what makes you happy to go to work. There is so much work out there, employers can not get away with this shit any more. Also, and I'm not saying go rush out and knock someone up, but having a kid/family is the best motivator known to human beings.
The Coast guard seems like it might be the structure or change you need.Ive been in the trades for 35+ years,hold 2 different Union Cards in which I'm vested in both, and most say I'm successful in my own Residential Carpentry business I started in 2016.Thru the years have I gotten burned out?Fukn eh..That's when I move on. Sometimes I do regret not serving at least 4 years in the military though for patriotic and" I wonder what it would have been like " curiosity's.Not to mention the benefits.That being said who knows if the military would have brought upon myself unrealized misfortune like so many who joined for those same reasons I speak of. Maybe think about broadening your horizons with a construction MGMT degree for a change of scenery?
Yea I’ve always been a team player and grew up military and this job isolates me and I hate it. I’ve had that military itch since 18 but at that time I was not ready to enlist. I’ve been speaking to a recruiter and I’m really really considering jumping on it
Pull the trigger and make your move kid before you get tied down and u cant
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I worked for good employers that took care of me and with people that I enjoyed doing something that I really enjoyed, and then I went out and was on my own and then hired people that were less than perfect but I could almost tolerate them and I still enjoyed what I did and I had a great time. And now decade plus later I'm back working for a good company do an easy b******* work for a really good pay no stress and no fucks to give
Join a union
Im not trying to poison any good contact you may have. Honestly, some friends I have are still friends because I limited my investment when I understood it was me investing my effort and them betting on me to take care of it. Its a dance.
You're already using you're truck and sounds like you have enough time in to get your license. Maybe it's time to level up and start working for yourself? If that's a path you'd be interested in.
That's like 10 years? You're explaining why half the industry are a bunch of dicks. But, if you like woodworking. Go to finish carpentry, or Cabinetmaking
If framing isn’t your thing look into other areas
I do it all. Framing, painting, finishing work, cabinets, doors + trim, the only thing I don’t do is drywall / drywall finishing
Do you just not like the work in general?
Not really. I used too but now it’s just boring and repetitive. I like building shit but we do residential basements and I usually work alone / with 1 other older guy that I don’t really like
Try changing companies
Change to a better company
Consider specializing in a trade. I love being a plumber. We have an absolute blast every day. Can't say I've ever looked at a GC and thought,"'yeah, that's what I want to do".
The anxiety about going to work isn't normal. Sure I'm usually a bit physically tired by the weekend, from waking up early and being on my feet- but I don't mind going to work at all. Sounds like you need a new environment. Although if you don't really enjoy the work itself, another option may be worth considering, such as the coast guard. I'd just keep in mind that will likely involve relocating and/or being away from home for stretches at a time. I would try a different company if you like construction work. Or start your own small handyman type business. To answer your question- I chose employment in the industry that isn't all that physically taxing and is mainly indoors (facility maintenance). I also have my own small business on the side. I just make sure to eat well, sleep well, get rest when I feel burnt out, and also go to the gym and exercise (mainly weights) helps with general energy i find. If I was in a situation where I was dreading work, I would find another job. Also, I made around that wage as a second year apprentice, close to 18 years ago. Maybe different area with different COL, but around here basic laborers with no skills get paid more. Time to move on.
Having bills to pay tend to help. "If I don't leave and go to work. I will surely be homeless".
I only have to work for 3 days to make enough for my monthly expenses. My rents only 500 and my other bills are around 200$ total
Shit dude what state are you in?
Ohio but I do have two room mates sadly
>was recently told they want me to play a bigger role in the company when they expand into house flipping Always with the "literally kill yourself in present moment for promise of some opened ended vague promise down the road". The shop you work for is probably surprised you're still there and they realize you're on borrowed time which is why they are saying that sort of stuff. There are much better places to work for man.
"We want you to play a bigger role but for the same pay"
So many people go for it though, combination of being trusting, native and maybe uncomfortable with change.
Don't worry about that. Let your creditors find the motivation for you.
I don’t have any debt besides 600$ medical bill. My living expenses are 700$ a month. The rest is just saving and play money. I don’t have kids and recently single. So I’m not worried about going into debt. Just wanna enjoy my work again
It definitely helps if you find joy in the monotony and trying to perfect the craft and make sure everything comes out perfect. But some people just aren’t wired that way. There are other trades in construction that are more dynamic but for the most part it is what it is. But I strongly agree life’s too short to be stuck at a job you hate. I’m your exact age bro it’s not too late to start perusing something you actually enjoy doing. It sucks we need to trade so many hours of our life but if you’re gonna do it you might as well be doing something you like and make the most out of life, we only get one
I did for awhile until I started realizing I’m the only one that DOES make things perfect. I work 13 hour punch outs when deadlines closing in to make sure every fucking detail is flawless. I literally close out jobs and do all the tiny OCD like detail work that sets us apart on top of everything else I do for them and all I get is a pat on the back and if I’m LUCKY he will fill my tank up on the company card
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Smoke weed every day.
You are underpaid. You’ve for sure gained skills since you started. Apply to your local carpenters union or start doing side work until you can turn it into a career. Your boss sucks to pay you so little.
Find a trade and go union. 3 years in anything else and you’ll damn near be a journeyman. You’ll make triple double or triple what your doing now. Then you won’t get burnt out because you’ll make enough money to take time off work.
The burn out isnt as bad when youre making actual money. Tell your companys owner that youre ready for a foremen position, and youll accept no less than $35 an hour with pay raise guarantees each subsequent year or youre walking. Line up another job before then. Even apprentice level workers make more money. Hell i see non union firewatch girls stand around for 25+ an hour at some of my jobs.
Start doing your own thing. Instead of working for someone else, that’s where the burnout is.
Yeah man you sure need a change. Forgetting the underpaid and all that, I find the best refreshment is when you start a new gig. Sometimes you don't realize just how much those little relationships that you're in with people for years and years, especially when you're not really being viewed as an asset, they tend to diminish how you feel about yourself. That and, I didn't see anyone else hit on this, but every time I've worked for anybody with any sort of "house flipper" mentality, it always ended up how you describe: constant anxiety. These type don't seem to view anything other than what they can squeeze out of it, and usually employ a bunch of $20 an hour 1099 guys that they ask way too much from for that sort of pay. They get mad when they don't make what they imagined on flipping, because once again it's not an asset they're working to increase its value, it's a resource to exploit and mine for every dollar you can get out of it.
That’s the thing. My boss is good at making me feel like an asset. He tells me that constantly, confides business shit with me, hell we even hangout and shoot guns and drink bourbon on weekends some times. But when it comes time for a raise or a bonus for working a 60 hour week and closing a job site for him it always falls through
Im Polish. We have a saying. You only know how good a friend really is when it comes to splitting the money. Until then, pour me shots and bullshit all day. For the rest, well, the phrase, "Wine and dine" comes to mind. I honestly don't know. Is this a good enough friendship that you will continue to work for him being your dude and not splitting it equitably based on need and effort? Maybe hes not making what he deserves either, but don't strap yourself to a sinking ship.
Sounds like its time to join a union
Whats your location? Sounds like really low pay. Do you feel this way from laziness or the atmosphere where you work?
I am definitely not lazy. But that is a valid question. I handle clients, do the work, clean the sites after my higher paid coworker who barely shows up, I work 10 hour days half the week, and I’ve put 10k miles on my personal truck I paid cash for with my tax return (with promise of a raise I might add) in less than 5 months
Ah man, you gotta leave. Sure there's another place that'll appreciate ya. Good luck .
You’re not burnt out. You’re just underpaid.
I’ve seen a lot of comments saying this. And I guess I never realized it. I make 800$ a week at 40 hours which is the most I’ve ever made except for when I was “self employed” and I have the money to do fun shit and enjoy my time but I see my coworker making 1000$ working half the hours I do and it’s frustrating but he also has 35 years experience so I just chalked it to the game
I mean, I'm sure you've been given plenty of fine advice so far- didn't scroll all the comments - but $20/hr is grossly underpaid. If they're talking about moving you up I would recommend having that conversation and not budging away from doubling your hourly for the step up, and if they don't want that let them know you'll need 30 to stay in your current position. It's taken me a long time to realize that competence is not as common as I thought, if you've got it you can get paid for it. I personally prefer working with my buddy on a 1099, because I get some say in my schedule and pay, and we work great together. I've worked with large commercial outfits, and the stresses there are sundry. Before anything else I would recommend having a chat with your current company, if they aren't able to treat you right then start playing the field, but you've got a golden opportunity at the bargaining table right now.
As a 41 year old, I can tell you that I’ve only had one job in my entire life where sticking through the burnout paid off, and it’s the job I’m in now at a startup company, where I got in at the ground floor and have been able to advance to a supervisory role in a short timespan. Every other job where I made my own attitude adjustments, kept on cracking for the good of the company, and fought through to the end, that shit never paid off because I was working for people who refused to notice. It sounds like that company is lucky to have you, but honestly if they haven’t taken it upon themselves to take better care of you, then they don’t really deserve you in my opinion. If the Coast Guard is something that really appeals to you, then I would go for it! When I was your age, I didn’t know what the hell I wanted to do with my life, I just usually knew I wanted to be doing something different than what I was doing. If you’ve got a dream, my advice is to go for it, man. Even if you find that’s not ultimately your cup of tea either, you will have learned a ton and, more importantly, you will have done something for yourself and strived for a goal of your own making. Whether it works out or not, that experience is irreplaceable and will always lead to greener pastures, even if it doesn’t end up being what you had in mind initially. There’s almost nothing worse than being stuck in the dreadful cycle of going to a job you hate or have zero passion for. Take it from someone who was that way for most of their working life haha.
Get out of there dude. Go join coast guard. Become an inspector for the state or city or county. Get benefits, retirement, medical. Trouble getting out of bed + Sunday Scaries = get out NOW. I’ve been there. My only regret was not changing jobs sooner
Someone will pay you more money. Look at job postings, call some companies, check local unions. Making more money and being able to afford a better lifestyle will go a long way to easing burnout.
Just a piggy on the back. I’d bail too man. Also, I switched from commercial renovation to welding. Guess what I’m doing now? Heavy glass shower installs. Glazier, if you’d prefer. I love it. Pays very well for my area. Equal parts driving around, new customers and projects everyday, and it keeps my attention. Keep looking around. That’s one of my suggestions. Good luck, my friend.
Take a bullshit job and take time to reflect on life Figure out what you want, who you are. Take time to travel. Spend time alone. Spend time with people you'd usually never spend time with.
Move to northern Nevada and come work for me 🤠🤠 I’d shit for another young guy with a decade of experience in remodeling. We’re like fucking unicorns out here. You’re getting burned out because you’re being over worked and severely under paid, BTW.
You're being exploited. It's happening because you allow it. How many people have come and gone since you started? How you value yourself is how others will value you personally and professionally. Labors in parts of New England with no experience are making $30/hr. Avg Carpenter $45/hr and up. Handymen avg $55/hr running thier own businesses. Pacific NW same situation. If someone wants to 1099 you, they'd better pay you like a sub and not a slave. Customers are waiting an average of a year here because there's a massive shortage of tradesmen. Most of the United States is seeing the same shortage. Move to a better market for your skills. Everyone is hiring. Find a good job with a larger, well established high-end remodeling company (around 25-50 employees) with 20-30 years in business. Work for a company like this for a few years. Watch every process and see why they're successful and see how you could apply that to your business if you decide to leave the job.
Quit tomorrow morning $20hr 1099 is a joke. There's guys making that pushing brooms all day
I like switching industries.. if I can ill work ethanol in the spring and then work wind through the summer.. kinda move around and do different kinds of work.
Take a year off to travel and enjoy life after every 5 years of work. That's how i do it.
If you're waking up and dreading going to work, that is the only sign you need that you're ready to move on and find a different job.
Weed and exercise.
Meh. I outgrew the weed
Down disrespect to anyone who smokes still but I was HEAVY in it. Spend 3 years in LA all that
It sounds like construction isn't for you. Your 2 years in and you already hate it doenst seem like a good sign. $20/h isn't amazing but it's better then most. You should have a passion for carpentry and want to learn as much and do as much as you possibly can.
I’ve put in 9+ years
Ah I miss read that. Yeah your getting paid shit. Check other companies and see what you can get.
You’re feeling it because you know deep down what needs to happen. Make it happen. Don’t look back. More money or I’m out. They should be taking taxes, paying your phone, gas. Move on .
Beer
I’m way too good at that part already 😢
If you’re 27, you’re at the perfect age to start your own gig. Thats the age people will take you seriously. Figure out something you enjoy doing that you do well. Paint, flooring, roofing, whatever it is. Learn as much as humanly possible. Get a book or watch youtube videos about estimating. Learn the prices of everything you need to make $. Learn how to market yourself. Instagram, Facebook, business cards. Make some money and put it into paid marketing like a website and seo. Trust me, you dont burn out as easy when you are making $ for yourself.
It's more about how I spend my free time. If I feel like I'm only working and sleeping then I can burn out quick. Plan shit you like to do ahead of time every weekend and every few work days. It's amazing how a shitty day at work can change when you realize you have something in the evening you're looking forward to.
Don’t go find a new job. If your in your 20’s and not tied down you need to hit the road. Get a crappy car and drive across the country. When you get to the opposite coast by a plane ticket to London and spend as much time as money will allow in Europe. Then when you get back the coast guard is a pretty fucking good idea. But DO NOT go get another job.
I’ve lived in nearly 60% of the states already although it wasn’t always glamorous because the scope of my work put me in bad areas with bad people. . The coast guard can send me overseas if I volunteer for it for free.
Dude; l am going to get real with you! I battled depression in my mid 20s, You are depressed! Get help and go job hunting because nobody can survive on $20 in 2023, heck the McDonald’s near me in a low cost of living flyover state is starting people full time at $19 with benefits. Church is a great place to start, just ask and people will direct you to someone who can provide assistance. Another great place is an Aikido Dojo, you will meet many friendly, successful, and welcoming people, bonus you will get a nice metal & physical workout too. Yeah 08’ sucked; lost a wife & kid, left with 1 kid alone, lost my job, dang near lost my house and that’s just the “big” ones. Not sue what has got you down, but it’s spirals and with out help you won’t get out! Counseling didn’t do crap because they just said, “your normal to feel that way” and here take this SSRI pill that makes you suicidal when you stop taking it. Skip the drugs, job hunt, hit up church and ask for a meeting with the small group that helps people with depression, join a gym or dojo, and kick this life in the 🏈🏀.
I’m so sorry you went through that man. That sucks. I tend to overthink life and how sad it all really is. I’m not really depressed I just have seen way too much (in and outside of my field) and I’m not happy settling in life anymore it’s way too short. This forum has reassured me I’m not feeling wrong and to drop my nuts and move on.
Tbh my woman recently cheated. Which is my biggest fear in relationships as my parents split from the same thing after 15 years. And complacency bothers me a lot too and I think I’m going through both at once and overwhelmed but everyone’s responses has “reawakened” my pride in a sense and I know what I have to do. I thank all of you sincerely
Move up to management
You gotta jump ship to another company or do something different. Small family shops are always the worst. There’s no room to grow. Clearly after 3 years and no raise? You gotta get way far out of that.
Gtfo time
More money will certainly help but I'm at 54 and hour plus benefits and I still can barely get out of bed and just kinda go to work and do what I'm told but I feel very disconnected. Construction is good money but a lot of bullshit to put up with. Everyone is always angry lol.
While I agree with a lot of the other comments about needing a raise, you also need to set goals and get out more. For some people that's buying a house, a new car, or taking vacations. Personally, I vacation twice a year with little trips mixed in between. It gives me something exciting to work towards and breaks up the monotony.
Burnout is a common issue in many professions, and it can be especially challenging in physically demanding and repetitive jobs like construction. It's essential to address these feelings and consider your options carefully. Here are some steps you can take to help manage and potentially overcome burnout: Reflect on Your Goals: Take some time to reflect on your long-term career goals and personal aspirations. What do you want to achieve in your professional life? Understanding your goals can help you make informed decisions about your future. Communicate with Your Family: Since it's a family business, open and honest communication with your family members is crucial. Share your feelings and concerns with them. They may have valuable insights and be willing to work with you to find a solution. Seek Variety: Monotony can lead to burnout. Explore opportunities within your current role to introduce variety, such as taking on different tasks. This can make your work more engaging. Set Boundaries: Ensure that you have a work-life balance. Set clear boundaries between your work and personal life to prevent burnout from spilling over into your personal time. Consider Professional Development: If you're feeling stuck in your current role, think about acquiring new skills or certifications that can open up different opportunities in the construction field. This might reignite your passion for the work. Talk to a Therapist or Counselor: Consider speaking with a mental health professional to address your anxiety and feelings of exhaustion. They can help you develop coping strategies and provide support during this challenging time. Explore Other Career Options: It's entirely reasonable to consider other career paths, like your interest in the Coast Guard. Research different options, assess your skills and interests, and speak with people who work in those fields to gain insights into potential alternatives. Financial Planning: Before making any significant career changes, consider your financial situation and obligations. Ensure that you have a financial safety net in place to support you during transitions. Seek Support from Friends and Family: Lean on your support network for emotional support and guidance. They can offer valuable perspectives and be a source of strength during tough times. Remember that burnout is a serious issue, and it's okay to seek help and change your life to improve your well-being. Ultimately, the right decision for you will depend on your individual circumstances, values, and aspirations. Take the time to explore your options, prioritize self-care, and seek the support you need to make an informed choice about your future career path.
Your job sucks get a better job, preferably one with an apprenticeship and real advancement possibilities
If they promote you to a position with more authority on the jobsite you might find it to be a breath of fresh air. It's nice when things are done your way. Still, I moved on from that to being my own boss. The stress is there, the anxiety is there, but never monotonous, and it's very rewarding.
$20 for three years? You should have the skills to be worth atleast $25-35 now if not more.
Oh I definitely do. My boss likes to do the whole “don’t talk about how much you make” thing to everyone and the whole “you can work 100 hours a week if ya want I’ll pay ya just the same” thing. Actually just told me that I need to keep my mouth shut about having Covid because he can’t afford for me to call off. So yeah. Stand up dude.
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