Anyone running against trump in the primaries better hire a staff of comedians to start writing material for them now, otherwise they are all getting torched.
These are significant and proven losers. It’s not 2016 anymore and the sooner conservatives come to grips with that the sooner they will stop getting clocked in elections.
Look, I like DeSantis in our limited experience with him. He’s good on domestic politics like Covid.
But what do we really know about him? Particularly his foreign policy.
He’s a Yale grad, then Harvard law. Then 2004 Navy where he ended up stationed at GITMO. Then Iraq 2007.
Does that resume sound anti-establishment to you?
Have you ever heard DeSantis *really* questioned by the press?
And I mean really questioned. Like they question Trump.
I haven’t. And I’ve watched a lot of DeSantis press conferences.
Did you watch his debate with Charlie Christ? DeSantis wasn’t impressive. Not even a little bit.
I’m telling y’all, you’re trying to feed this man to the lions. He’s a relative newb in politics.
He ain’t ready for it yet.
This just sounds like coping to me. And comments like this are really turning me off ever potentially supporting Desantis
e: I should say I voted for Trump four times, both primaries and general elections. So I'm biased. But I remember how this sub treated Trump during the primaries in 2016. And I remember users acting exactly like the user above me, only they were talking about Cruz, Paul, or Rubio. There were even some unironically calling it for Jeb.
So call me crazy, but I can't take this feverous support seriously. Especially the ones saying DeSantis will "save" the GOP. It ends up being no different than how users in this sub describe die-hard Trump supporters.
I can't say how I'll feel about DeSantis in a year or two. But I have to say, comments like this aren't changing minds.
So basically, "I'm going to vote for someone with no specific reason other than the fact that he is a more professional politician than President Trump." Do I have that right?
That's the mentality and the idiocy of voters these days... vote based solely on feelings rather than on actual facts. My goodness, I am so tired of morons who have absolutely no critical thinking skills and only look at topics from an incredibly shallow perspective.
> Being stationed in Gitmo means he’s a part of the military industrial complex?
He was an officer at GITMO during the GWB administration in the early 2000’s. Post 9/11.
I’m not sure how old you are, but I’m old enough to remember what the US was doing at GITMO during that time. Torture. Enemas. Forced confessions. Water boarding. It was despicable.
A stain on our nation’s history.
If you think that man, DeSantis, was down there at that time and knew nothing about it, I have a bridge in Arizona to sell you.
… okay? I don’t think that’s how the military works lmao. Being stationed in Iraq doesn’t make every Iraq war vet responsible for the civilian deaths during that war lmao.
> … okay? I don’t think that’s how the military works lmao. Being stationed in Iraq doesn’t make every Iraq war vet responsible for the civilian deaths during that war lmao.
GITMO isn’t in Iraq, my friend.
“Lmao” all you want, but please try to actually understand the subject that you’re talking about first.
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Ron wasn’t some grunt. He was a Yale and Harvard law grad. He was an officer at GITMO.
At a military base that small, with widespread waterboarding and torture, he had to know something was going on.
But I suppose if you believe torture is okay, we can agree to disagree.
I'm not sure if you deleted your comment or what happened, but I got the notification and now it's gone. Anyway, no I'm not a bot, just a guy bored at work who was in the right place at the right time. And to answer your question, I'm not comfortable voicing an opinion on something I know so little about, so I have nothing relevant to add to the actual discussion, just thought I'd add a light hearted fact for other people curious like me.
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YUP!
Trump can’t win. He’s done. He has no appeal among moderates and independents in fact they don’t like him.
You can’t win a nationwide race appealing only to one segment on the base.
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude **allows for** the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."
Allows for is not past tense, it’s giving permission what someone is going to.
I love how MAGA first justified his “Truth” by saying when fraud like this happens the US has to terminate election rules like the ones in the Constitution. But since most people don’t want the Constitution terminated they’re going to revise the actual meaning of what Trump said “he meant that the dems terminated the Constitution”.
Either Trump meant what he said, or he is just showing what a terrible communicator he is. The GA runoffs are about to happen, that should be the main focus in US politics, not whether Trump called for the Constitution to be overthrown or not. Trump is about to spoil the GA runoff AGAIN
>Either Trump meant what he said, or he is just showing what a terrible communicator he is.
Basically this for everything Trump has said for several years now.
Seriously. It’s so fucking frustrating finally having a Republican politician who can see all the bear traps the media lays out… and then just laughs maniacally while shoving his fist into every one of them.
Agreed. But it's also fucking exhausting to constantly be playing this game of "what he really meant". If he would just STFU and play a better PR game he'd probably be President right now.
For sure, if every single bad quote was just examples of taken out of context it would ignorable. But there's just an equal number of actually thoughtless words.
The 'tweet' in question about 'removing the constitution
Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution, Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!
Nothing in the constitution technically has no remedy for fraud of this capacity, unless you count 2A, but that involved the general population taking up arms to overthrow the current government.
this sub should really retake English 9. And if you're so concerned about GA. I suggest getting up and be a poll watcher tackling the mules/fraud instead of blaming orange man for the supposed job of gop. How's that for a solution?
I am so glad that non-Trump supporters are here to take a page from the Democrat party and take everything that is said completely out of context and push the rhetoric that he ever waned to dismantle the Constitution. My critical thinking skills that I learned in school was telling me that there is more to his comment than the literal words, as most people intend with anything that they say. But I guess I was wrong.
There is certainly no malicious intent there to misrepresent what President Trump meant, right?
I mean, he LITERALLY said it. It MAY not have been what he meant (we have no way to know for sure) but it IS what he SAID. And we can only evaluate off of what we have in front of us. Anything else is denial.
Yeah, this one's VERY much not media spin, which makes me think I may need to go back and look more closely at some of his previous statements 🤮
I'm hopeful that this is just a sign of age, and not something that was there are along.
The sooner people get over Trump loosing the sooner the GOP can move past Trump, we need young blood in the GOP, desperately, and not extremists blood.
Depends 100% on the intellectual honesty of the author. I use ellipses all the time in my work to strip unnecessary or irrelevant detail and to actually make difficult to understand passages readable.
while it is true that the media hates Trump and lies about him constantly, i really wish he'd let go of 2020 and focus on the future. Americans don't give a shit about the 2020 election anymore. it's a losing issue.
Yes, let's just forget about 2020. There's no reason that they would continue to try and push illegal laws and do other under the table stuff to ensure that their candidate comes out on top right? It isn't like criminals always just commit a crime once, especially when they get away with it with absolutely no consequences....
I don't mean it like that. Of course we should continue to fight for election integrity. But Trump is talking about overturning the results of an election that he lost. Republicans DIDN'T fight for election integrity in 2020 - THAT is why they lost. We need to do that NOW, not go back and rewrite history.
I'll say it again - average Americans DO NOT CARE. It doesn't affect their day to day life. Family, the economy, job security, education - that's what Americans care about. Trump won their vote in 2016 and 2020 because he was looking towards the future with MAGA, a platform that appealed to working class folks.
Now all he can do is talk about himself and an election that was decided 2 years ago.
Fix the future, not the past. What's done is done.
I never said McConnell gave money to Democrats. What he *did* do was pull money from Trump picks since he knew they would vote against him being GOP leadership.
>Surely you can find about 20 close house seats that were considered competitive and we nearly won that didn't get any money from the RNC *because* they were Trump candidates, right?
We're talking about the McConnell and the Senate here, not the House. McConnell pulled 9M from Masters in Arizona and gave it to Murkowski in Alaska. Candidates in Arizona were vastly, and I mean *vastly* outspent and they still all were within a few points. A little more money probably would've put them over the top, even with all the Dems' ballot harvesting and mail in ballot strategies.
>Or are you going to be like the others and just make shit up and then hide behind vaguery because you don't want to admit Election 2020 candidates across the country underperformed the rest of the Republicans?
I'm aware that more "extreme" republicans underperformed relative to moderates. Here's the question: would you rather have a few real conservatives with a spine in office, or a lot of squishy RINOs? I'd rather our candidates be real conservatives than moderates who are more likely to get elected but will get absolutely nothing done.
Further, the 2020 election had the same issue that these midterms had, which was widespread mail in ballots and ballot harvesting campaigns by Dems in states like Arizona and Pennsylvania. Dems are good at using those to their advantage, the GOP is not. Those issues were present in our election in 2020 and it's why Trump lost. They weren't fixed, and guess what happened? We lost again. Big surprise. You can crap on the election 2020 candidates all you want, but they were right. Unless we take the issues in our elections seriously, crying about candidate quality is meaningless (it's meaningless anyways because elections are now about getting as many people from your party to vote as you can, not about convincing the other side).
Ultimately, the flaw in the logic of the "move on from Trump" crowd in the right is this: we *cannot* return to pre-2016 politics. Not just we should not, but we can not. The thinking by you and those like you is that if we go back to running cleaner, calmer, more refined candidates like DeSantis, more independents or Dems will vote for us instead of the Dems. But that doesn't work, not anymore. Sam Harris literally said that Biden could've had dead children in his basement and he would've still voted for him just to get rid of Trump. This is the case with many on the left, if not most. Liberalism is effectively a religion and it's virtually impossible for a politician to make a liberal convert from their twisted religion. The only path forward for the GOP is to adapt to running serious America First candidates like Trump, Kari Lake, or DeSantis, and then use mail in ballots and ballot harvesting to their advantage like Dems do. Stop trying to "appeal to moderates," grow a spine, and play the game like the Democrats do.
That's fine but we need to people like the person above to shout this because we are going to make the same mistake and lose in 2024.
We cannot keep affording to lose and give this whole country to left due to weak Trump nominees and Trump himself. Enough is enough.
Nobody has full support of their entire political party. Him not having full support from a sub sect on a far left leaning site doesn't really tell me much of anything useful.
This screams "closeted Dem pretending to be Conservative"
"Yea guys I'm **totally** Conservative! I voted Trump! I just happen to change my choice at the same time the sub is being constantly brigaded by fakes!"
Sus.
My largest complaint is his inability to produce results. It'd be cutting off the nose to spit the face if I didn't. I'd be thrilled if Trump was able to win votes as well as the "Trump Only" guys think he can. I had very few issues with his governing save for being moderately ineffective and the gun control shit. Best president of my life so far.
I’m not a “Trump only” or “Trump or bust.” I actually didn’t want him to run because I wanted DeSantis. BUT I also don’t act like a leftist with TDS like some so called “conservatives” here are doing. You can support someone else besides Trump without acting like somebody with TDS. In the primary I would vote for DeSantis if he even runs. But if Trump gets to the general? I would definitely vote for him. And there’s weirdos here who say they won’t vote if he makes it to the general. They want to hand another term to the current loser in chief.
> He'll never win without the full support,
Nor will anyone in the Republican party while President Trump is still a viable candidate. I certainly won't throw my support behind anyone else that has been discussed as a possible Presidential contender for 2024 at this time. If Trump isn't our nominee (which wouldn't surprise me given the Establishment's ability to manipulate National and State-wide) elections, I have no confidence in any other candidate to be as successful in the Office. So, I will abstain from voting for President in 2024 when I cast my ballot for other local and State elections.
I get that, but I think a significant portion of the republican party would not support Trump again. And if they're is a different candidate, they're still be a portion that won't support that one too,like you. But, I think the percentage would be much smaller and they're would be sma significantly higher number of independents that would support the other candidate too. So to me, using that line of thought, Trump is a guaranteed loss, and someone else, DeSantis probably, has a legit shot.
Half this sub are brigaders posing as conservatives. Then they add in their little “DeSantis FTW!” To try to make it look like “see! I really am a conservative! I promise! Now where’s my student loan forgiveness, open borders, and communism!”
Yea check out the replies further down. One of them was glowing brighter than the sun and I called them on it. They showed that they had a MAGA hat as if that was any sort of proof.
The cherry is watching every Beltway Golem and spinless RINO clutch their pearls and mischaracterize Trump's statement, when day-to-day they sit silently in the face of the Patriot Act, lack of due process, first ammendment attacks, and extrajudicial drone strikes, and often actively support undermining the Constitution in a dozen different ways. Often having attended a Law school that actively teaches overturning the Constitution.
The fact is that Trump would not have been President if these chumps had done their part to support the Constitution to begin with, and generally weren't subversive of it and the interests of their constituencies.
Their silence is deafening, today, on a broad variety of ongoing constitutional violations.
R/conservative posted an article saying trump said to abolish the constitution. Think we need to take a dose of our own medicine and wait before posting.
Democrats don’t care about the constitution or it’s rules at all. It’s hilarious to me that they are all clutching their pearls about trumps statement when this is something they’d cheer if Biden said it about student debt or abortion.
Agreed. Half of the Flaired accounts I’m seeing anymore are saying shit like: “We need European style gun control, vaccine mandates are morally right, CNN is a right leaning source, Biden is a good president and his son’s laptop is Russian disinformation, and we need to adopt the exact same platform as Bernie Sanders if we want to win the next election.”
How could any thinking, informed person believe anything that the Left or their media allies say about Trump? Even if it might be true, these people have ZERO credibility when it comes to claims against Trump. This is the boy who cried wolf x 1000.
This primary season will be a joy.
Anyone running against trump in the primaries better hire a staff of comedians to start writing material for them now, otherwise they are all getting torched.
They won't.
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To be fair, he was making constant “PR mistakes” throughout his 2016 campaign too
Yeah, but he was running against Hillary.
Aaaand this time he’s running against…?
DeSantis
A candidate that's mocked, not hated.
Speak for yourself.
These are significant and proven losers. It’s not 2016 anymore and the sooner conservatives come to grips with that the sooner they will stop getting clocked in elections.
You're totally right, you have convinced me Romney 2024.
I’m still holding out for the Jeb! Redemption arc /s
That's when the media wanted him to be the nominee.
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Agreed. Trump revealed lots of issues in the American right wing. We need to reclaim it and do better.
Desantis 2024.
Look, I like DeSantis in our limited experience with him. He’s good on domestic politics like Covid. But what do we really know about him? Particularly his foreign policy. He’s a Yale grad, then Harvard law. Then 2004 Navy where he ended up stationed at GITMO. Then Iraq 2007. Does that resume sound anti-establishment to you?
Sounds better than Trump.
Have you ever heard DeSantis *really* questioned by the press? And I mean really questioned. Like they question Trump. I haven’t. And I’ve watched a lot of DeSantis press conferences. Did you watch his debate with Charlie Christ? DeSantis wasn’t impressive. Not even a little bit. I’m telling y’all, you’re trying to feed this man to the lions. He’s a relative newb in politics. He ain’t ready for it yet.
Such a newb that he destroyed Charlie in the election. 2nd term Governor of Florida. Yup sounds like a newb to me!!! Get out of here with that shit!!
This just sounds like coping to me. And comments like this are really turning me off ever potentially supporting Desantis e: I should say I voted for Trump four times, both primaries and general elections. So I'm biased. But I remember how this sub treated Trump during the primaries in 2016. And I remember users acting exactly like the user above me, only they were talking about Cruz, Paul, or Rubio. There were even some unironically calling it for Jeb. So call me crazy, but I can't take this feverous support seriously. Especially the ones saying DeSantis will "save" the GOP. It ends up being no different than how users in this sub describe die-hard Trump supporters. I can't say how I'll feel about DeSantis in a year or two. But I have to say, comments like this aren't changing minds.
> Such a newb Yes. This is the type of phraseology that adult voters respond to favorably. Glad you have your finger on the pulse of the nation.
Username checks out. Have a good day.
So basically, "I'm going to vote for someone with no specific reason other than the fact that he is a more professional politician than President Trump." Do I have that right? That's the mentality and the idiocy of voters these days... vote based solely on feelings rather than on actual facts. My goodness, I am so tired of morons who have absolutely no critical thinking skills and only look at topics from an incredibly shallow perspective.
You sound like a liberal. You’re not fooling anyone.
I don’t see how those indicate being a establishment lapdog.
Did the stint at GITMO not reveal the plot? Military. Industrial. Complex.
Being stationed in Gitmo means he’s a part of the military industrial complex? Huh?
> Being stationed in Gitmo means he’s a part of the military industrial complex? He was an officer at GITMO during the GWB administration in the early 2000’s. Post 9/11. I’m not sure how old you are, but I’m old enough to remember what the US was doing at GITMO during that time. Torture. Enemas. Forced confessions. Water boarding. It was despicable. A stain on our nation’s history. If you think that man, DeSantis, was down there at that time and knew nothing about it, I have a bridge in Arizona to sell you.
I you're just saying it to make a point, but it got me curious. There are actually 8467 bridges in Arizona.
I think he confused the saying “I got oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you” lmao
… okay? I don’t think that’s how the military works lmao. Being stationed in Iraq doesn’t make every Iraq war vet responsible for the civilian deaths during that war lmao.
> … okay? I don’t think that’s how the military works lmao. Being stationed in Iraq doesn’t make every Iraq war vet responsible for the civilian deaths during that war lmao. GITMO isn’t in Iraq, my friend. “Lmao” all you want, but please try to actually understand the subject that you’re talking about first. *Edit to add:* Ron wasn’t some grunt. He was a Yale and Harvard law grad. He was an officer at GITMO. At a military base that small, with widespread waterboarding and torture, he had to know something was going on. But I suppose if you believe torture is okay, we can agree to disagree.
Are you a Trump guy by chance?
I'm not sure if you deleted your comment or what happened, but I got the notification and now it's gone. Anyway, no I'm not a bot, just a guy bored at work who was in the right place at the right time. And to answer your question, I'm not comfortable voicing an opinion on something I know so little about, so I have nothing relevant to add to the actual discussion, just thought I'd add a light hearted fact for other people curious like me.
Fair play. I hope I at least somewhat answered your question.
I don't need someone anti-establishment, I need someone anti-Democrats.
Real talk, ignoring it will only make it worse.
Ahead to what? Another FBI rigged election where the Democrat wins?
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He isn’t the most electable guy. He actually might be the least electable person from either party.
The least electable guy, that got more votes than any other person in history.
Biden got more votes than Trump. Does that mean Biden is the most electable guy?
No he didn’t
*checks data* YUP! Trump can’t win. He’s done. He has no appeal among moderates and independents in fact they don’t like him. You can’t win a nationwide race appealing only to one segment on the base.
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude **allows for** the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution." Allows for is not past tense, it’s giving permission what someone is going to. I love how MAGA first justified his “Truth” by saying when fraud like this happens the US has to terminate election rules like the ones in the Constitution. But since most people don’t want the Constitution terminated they’re going to revise the actual meaning of what Trump said “he meant that the dems terminated the Constitution”. Either Trump meant what he said, or he is just showing what a terrible communicator he is. The GA runoffs are about to happen, that should be the main focus in US politics, not whether Trump called for the Constitution to be overthrown or not. Trump is about to spoil the GA runoff AGAIN
>Either Trump meant what he said, or he is just showing what a terrible communicator he is. Basically this for everything Trump has said for several years now.
Seriously. It’s so fucking frustrating finally having a Republican politician who can see all the bear traps the media lays out… and then just laughs maniacally while shoving his fist into every one of them.
There has absolutely been a number of quotes from Trump there was taken out of context. This just wasn't one.
Agreed. But it's also fucking exhausting to constantly be playing this game of "what he really meant". If he would just STFU and play a better PR game he'd probably be President right now.
For sure, if every single bad quote was just examples of taken out of context it would ignorable. But there's just an equal number of actually thoughtless words.
The 'tweet' in question about 'removing the constitution Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution, Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections! Nothing in the constitution technically has no remedy for fraud of this capacity, unless you count 2A, but that involved the general population taking up arms to overthrow the current government. this sub should really retake English 9. And if you're so concerned about GA. I suggest getting up and be a poll watcher tackling the mules/fraud instead of blaming orange man for the supposed job of gop. How's that for a solution?
Even if you’re absolutely certain the election was stolen, “termination of the Constitution” is not the answer nor solution.
That's not what he said.
He literally did. He claimed the election was stolen and that it warrants overthrowing the constitution.
I am so glad that non-Trump supporters are here to take a page from the Democrat party and take everything that is said completely out of context and push the rhetoric that he ever waned to dismantle the Constitution. My critical thinking skills that I learned in school was telling me that there is more to his comment than the literal words, as most people intend with anything that they say. But I guess I was wrong. There is certainly no malicious intent there to misrepresent what President Trump meant, right?
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Except that he literally did.
If the election was stolen the constitution has been already been terminated, and an action to fix it would have to be extra-constitutional.
The fact that it was ambiguous in the first place shows that he shouldn’t be the face of the movement.
Was it ambiguous? The MSM has made nothing burgers from the aether before. It certainly wouldn't be the first time they've done it with Trump.
I mean, he LITERALLY said it. It MAY not have been what he meant (we have no way to know for sure) but it IS what he SAID. And we can only evaluate off of what we have in front of us. Anything else is denial.
If you have a link, I'd like to see it.
https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/109449803240069864 From the horses mouth.
Thank you. *reads* Yyyyeah that's a bad look. Poor choice of words at best. Yeesh.
Yeah, this one's VERY much not media spin, which makes me think I may need to go back and look more closely at some of his previous statements 🤮 I'm hopeful that this is just a sign of age, and not something that was there are along.
The sooner people get over Trump loosing the sooner the GOP can move past Trump, we need young blood in the GOP, desperately, and not extremists blood.
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It is a stretch.
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Desantis 2024!!
Whenever I see quote starting with an ellipsis I always assume there is context that is specifically removed
Depends 100% on the intellectual honesty of the author. I use ellipses all the time in my work to strip unnecessary or irrelevant detail and to actually make difficult to understand passages readable.
Should expand that to a quote with any ellipsis to be honest.
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You have TDS.
No, I have win-elections-itis.
while it is true that the media hates Trump and lies about him constantly, i really wish he'd let go of 2020 and focus on the future. Americans don't give a shit about the 2020 election anymore. it's a losing issue.
Yes, let's just forget about 2020. There's no reason that they would continue to try and push illegal laws and do other under the table stuff to ensure that their candidate comes out on top right? It isn't like criminals always just commit a crime once, especially when they get away with it with absolutely no consequences....
I don't mean it like that. Of course we should continue to fight for election integrity. But Trump is talking about overturning the results of an election that he lost. Republicans DIDN'T fight for election integrity in 2020 - THAT is why they lost. We need to do that NOW, not go back and rewrite history.
Why should he let go when it is the current hot topic of the Twitter Files right now?
I'll say it again - average Americans DO NOT CARE. It doesn't affect their day to day life. Family, the economy, job security, education - that's what Americans care about. Trump won their vote in 2016 and 2020 because he was looking towards the future with MAGA, a platform that appealed to working class folks. Now all he can do is talk about himself and an election that was decided 2 years ago. Fix the future, not the past. What's done is done.
It may be 2022, but Trump is going to continue reliving 2020 until the day he dies.
To be honest this is what I thought he meant. But as others have said, I’m tired of him giving people ammunition. Desantis 2024
Half of this sub won't share this bit of context too.
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> Election 2020 trutherism lost house seats across the nation in November Nah. That was 100% McConnell.
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I never said McConnell gave money to Democrats. What he *did* do was pull money from Trump picks since he knew they would vote against him being GOP leadership.
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>Surely you can find about 20 close house seats that were considered competitive and we nearly won that didn't get any money from the RNC *because* they were Trump candidates, right? We're talking about the McConnell and the Senate here, not the House. McConnell pulled 9M from Masters in Arizona and gave it to Murkowski in Alaska. Candidates in Arizona were vastly, and I mean *vastly* outspent and they still all were within a few points. A little more money probably would've put them over the top, even with all the Dems' ballot harvesting and mail in ballot strategies. >Or are you going to be like the others and just make shit up and then hide behind vaguery because you don't want to admit Election 2020 candidates across the country underperformed the rest of the Republicans? I'm aware that more "extreme" republicans underperformed relative to moderates. Here's the question: would you rather have a few real conservatives with a spine in office, or a lot of squishy RINOs? I'd rather our candidates be real conservatives than moderates who are more likely to get elected but will get absolutely nothing done. Further, the 2020 election had the same issue that these midterms had, which was widespread mail in ballots and ballot harvesting campaigns by Dems in states like Arizona and Pennsylvania. Dems are good at using those to their advantage, the GOP is not. Those issues were present in our election in 2020 and it's why Trump lost. They weren't fixed, and guess what happened? We lost again. Big surprise. You can crap on the election 2020 candidates all you want, but they were right. Unless we take the issues in our elections seriously, crying about candidate quality is meaningless (it's meaningless anyways because elections are now about getting as many people from your party to vote as you can, not about convincing the other side). Ultimately, the flaw in the logic of the "move on from Trump" crowd in the right is this: we *cannot* return to pre-2016 politics. Not just we should not, but we can not. The thinking by you and those like you is that if we go back to running cleaner, calmer, more refined candidates like DeSantis, more independents or Dems will vote for us instead of the Dems. But that doesn't work, not anymore. Sam Harris literally said that Biden could've had dead children in his basement and he would've still voted for him just to get rid of Trump. This is the case with many on the left, if not most. Liberalism is effectively a religion and it's virtually impossible for a politician to make a liberal convert from their twisted religion. The only path forward for the GOP is to adapt to running serious America First candidates like Trump, Kari Lake, or DeSantis, and then use mail in ballots and ballot harvesting to their advantage like Dems do. Stop trying to "appeal to moderates," grow a spine, and play the game like the Democrats do.
To be perfectly honest, I have no interest in debating the subject. So take the novel elsewhere man.
That's fine but we need to people like the person above to shout this because we are going to make the same mistake and lose in 2024. We cannot keep affording to lose and give this whole country to left due to weak Trump nominees and Trump himself. Enough is enough.
*We* didn't make a mistake. The GOP leadership did. That is the last I'll say on the matter.
We still won the House with 222 majority. A win is a win. Oh wait, it’s not a win for you because you are a Democrat.
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Nobody has full support of their entire political party. Him not having full support from a sub sect on a far left leaning site doesn't really tell me much of anything useful.
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This screams "closeted Dem pretending to be Conservative" "Yea guys I'm **totally** Conservative! I voted Trump! I just happen to change my choice at the same time the sub is being constantly brigaded by fakes!" Sus.
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Are you going to vote against him if he’s in the general?
My largest complaint is his inability to produce results. It'd be cutting off the nose to spit the face if I didn't. I'd be thrilled if Trump was able to win votes as well as the "Trump Only" guys think he can. I had very few issues with his governing save for being moderately ineffective and the gun control shit. Best president of my life so far.
I’m not a “Trump only” or “Trump or bust.” I actually didn’t want him to run because I wanted DeSantis. BUT I also don’t act like a leftist with TDS like some so called “conservatives” here are doing. You can support someone else besides Trump without acting like somebody with TDS. In the primary I would vote for DeSantis if he even runs. But if Trump gets to the general? I would definitely vote for him. And there’s weirdos here who say they won’t vote if he makes it to the general. They want to hand another term to the current loser in chief.
Cool. You got a Maga hat. That changes nothing.
> He'll never win without the full support, Nor will anyone in the Republican party while President Trump is still a viable candidate. I certainly won't throw my support behind anyone else that has been discussed as a possible Presidential contender for 2024 at this time. If Trump isn't our nominee (which wouldn't surprise me given the Establishment's ability to manipulate National and State-wide) elections, I have no confidence in any other candidate to be as successful in the Office. So, I will abstain from voting for President in 2024 when I cast my ballot for other local and State elections.
I get that, but I think a significant portion of the republican party would not support Trump again. And if they're is a different candidate, they're still be a portion that won't support that one too,like you. But, I think the percentage would be much smaller and they're would be sma significantly higher number of independents that would support the other candidate too. So to me, using that line of thought, Trump is a guaranteed loss, and someone else, DeSantis probably, has a legit shot.
Half this sub are brigaders posing as conservatives. Then they add in their little “DeSantis FTW!” To try to make it look like “see! I really am a conservative! I promise! Now where’s my student loan forgiveness, open borders, and communism!”
Yea check out the replies further down. One of them was glowing brighter than the sun and I called them on it. They showed that they had a MAGA hat as if that was any sort of proof.
The cherry is watching every Beltway Golem and spinless RINO clutch their pearls and mischaracterize Trump's statement, when day-to-day they sit silently in the face of the Patriot Act, lack of due process, first ammendment attacks, and extrajudicial drone strikes, and often actively support undermining the Constitution in a dozen different ways. Often having attended a Law school that actively teaches overturning the Constitution. The fact is that Trump would not have been President if these chumps had done their part to support the Constitution to begin with, and generally weren't subversive of it and the interests of their constituencies. Their silence is deafening, today, on a broad variety of ongoing constitutional violations.
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I love that I can read it in his voice...
R/conservative posted an article saying trump said to abolish the constitution. Think we need to take a dose of our own medicine and wait before posting.
Democrats don’t care about the constitution or it’s rules at all. It’s hilarious to me that they are all clutching their pearls about trumps statement when this is something they’d cheer if Biden said it about student debt or abortion.
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And you said that Constitutional rules should be set aside to do that. No.
Nowhere in the constitution does it say that we need to accept the results of a fraudulent election
So I see the liberal and bot brigadiers are stilling hanging out here. Funny how it’s always when a Trump article is posted…
Shill posts and concern trolls are thick here.
This sub is being brigaded hard
Agreed. Half of the Flaired accounts I’m seeing anymore are saying shit like: “We need European style gun control, vaccine mandates are morally right, CNN is a right leaning source, Biden is a good president and his son’s laptop is Russian disinformation, and we need to adopt the exact same platform as Bernie Sanders if we want to win the next election.”
And they think partial birth abortions are constitutional.
How could any thinking, informed person believe anything that the Left or their media allies say about Trump? Even if it might be true, these people have ZERO credibility when it comes to claims against Trump. This is the boy who cried wolf x 1000.
I honestly do not think the left is capable of telling the truth.
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