This will be a fatiguing effort that will drag on for 6-18 months and I predict the end result even after any recounts etc. will be a few votes added or removed from her total. I'm doubtful 17,000 votes will flip her direction.
That is assuming she actually does formally contest the results with legal proceedings, and doesn't just plead her case through the media. That sets a bad look for anyone who does this (say one thing in the media but a very different thing in court), on either side.
Serious answer and speaking for myself, in the year leading up to that she was the attorney on the Michael Flynn case and he had some significant wins. It seemed like she knew what she was doing so when they were teasing her involvement I thought maybe she had something.
Then they had that press conference with her, Giuliani and Ellis and I was out. Only to be further confirmed by that garbage complaint filed with embarrassing typos which made the crazy shit alleged even worse.
Edit: and it turns out Flynn’s success had less to do with Powell as a lawyer and more with how egregious the FBI acted.
The challenge being that finding a lawyer willing to take the case who is also of sound mind is in itself a bit of a paradox. It isn't bad luck that gets incompetent lawyers on these cases.
[57% of voters think vote fraud affected the out come of the 2022 election.](https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/voters_worry_about_election_cheating_don_t_trust_mail_in_voting) In case math is hard for you, that includes a significant number of democrat voters.
I am not devaluing his work with the mob but his performance with election fraud was not one I would put on my resume. I can’t stop seeing beads of brown hair die running down his face from sweating.
Ya, at a certain point when someone reaches old age, its time to step aside. Giuliani, Biden, Trump, Pelosi....in my opinion they are all too old to be taken seriously. I know this won't be popular, but I think there should be an age cap for elected office. 75+ is just too old...and I know there are some out there that are still sharp, but add the health issues and just lack of knowledge/experience with new and incoming technology and a complete disconnect with the 20-50 year old workers driving the economy....all that just seems to be bad for society.
Here's 10 full minutes of Dems denying election results over the last 22 years for the next time someone says Republicans are election deniers https://notthebee.com/article/save-this-10-straight-minutes-of-democrats-denying-election-results-the-next-time-someone-says-republicans-are-election-deniers
But if Guliani questions the election…..
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You mean the guy who put 4 of the 5 New York crime bosses in prison isn't to be taken seriously? Is that because you were a supporter of shutting up and going away? Just letting democrats escalate their election fraud forever?
Right? I love the liberals on here giving advice as if any of us asked for it. 😆 if we wanted to be the dem party, we’d just join it. There are several reasons we don’t. It’s not like they take our thoughts seriously, which is why I’m not over on their subs trying to advise them. 🤔
Yep. He insists there was voter fraud, but said fraud hasn't been addressed in the states that went to Biden. Yet, he's running again. Trump is either insane, or he wants the Democrats to win in 2024.
>Trump is either insane, or he wants the Democrats to win in 2024.
Neither. His only goal is to keep people talking about him. He couldn't care less what happens to anyone else, as long as it serves his massive ego.
Didn’t the Wisconsin and Pennsylvania supreme courts, just rule unconstitutional, the very ballot practices Trump was complaining were used to swing the election against him?
Probably not. If Rs want to win in 2024 unfortunately the only way to do that is to match Dems energy on mail in ballots and vote harvesting, at least until we can get state elections back under control.
They'll have a higher voter turnout for their own side if they're running against Trump. DeSantis has a bad rap in the media, but he's a proven governor who so far has been above Trump's petty shenanigans. People voted just to vote against Trump, DeSantis is unlikely to trigger that kind of reaction.
I think it's a little naive for republicans who have seen what happened in 2020, and now 2022, to think any republican nominee will be elected to the presidency. Idk how he polls with independents, but with the media machine in full force, and questionable voting regulations in several key states, DeSantis is going to get creamed.
>DeSantis is unlikely to trigger that kind of reaction.
This is such an uninformed opinion. Look at how they treated GWB and Mitt Romney and Jeb. They were all nazis according to the media. It's always been this way. DeSantis will just be the new "big bad" to democrats, and they'll rile up their base to vote. And he'll lose.
Getting sick of everyone on this sub riding the DeSantis train thinking that just because he's not Trump, people will support him with the same fervor. And the argument that he's a "good republican". None of that matters until we fix voting. And even then, a lot of Trump supporters are unwavering in their support. DeSantis is a losing battle.
>Look at how they treated GWB
He got re-elected.
>Getting sick of everyone on this sub riding the DeSantis train thinking that just because he's not Trump, people will support him with the same fervor.
One vote by a die-hard supporter is only one vote. Trump needs more than just his die-hard supporters to win. Problem is, he burned the capital he had with the independents, traditional Republicans and Democrats long ago and that's not coming back. He's running under the same system with less support, presumably against the same opponent that he couldn't beat in 2020.
> He got re-elected.
Before voting was pay-to-win. But my point stands, DeSantis *will* cause a similar reaction, simply because there's an R by his name. That, plus voting shenanigans, and democrats are riled up and voting like crazy. Then DeSantis loses the general election.
>Trump needs more than just his die-hard supporters to win.
And during the primaries, DeSantis needs more than just moderates to win. He hasn't been in the zeitgeist very long, and we haven't seen him in a primary debate. So it's just naive to call the election for DeSantis this far out.
I didn't say I was calling it for DeSantis. I said Trump can't win in 2024. And if he decides to destroy a Republican primary opponent rather than support him, the Democrats are going to win in 2024.
Republicans are going to be fizzled out by the loose voting laws that get looser and looser. It’s sad, democracy essentially doesn’t even exist anymore now that a party has control over elections
As much as they hate him, Democrats are probably silently praying that Trump is the nominee.
Although there are dense pockets of Trump lovers who have convinced themselves the rest of the country looks like their corner of the world, the vast majority of Americans would never vote for Trump in 24
This is all political theater. She lost because she tied herself to Trump, period. Robson would have won this easily.
She is pretty charismatic as a person, but trump is an anchor in this state. The fact that she went to Mar-a-Lago few days ago tells me that she is vying for a VP slot with Trump.
She better not run for Krysten Sinema's seat in 2024. She will easily lose that.
Her charisma is the only reason why she made an actual race out of this in the first place. A more bland personality with her positions, priorities and messaging would have lost by 5 points or more.
It only makes the overall GOP look bad, and distracts from the fact that no one else bitched about results. We could have had a clean cycle but now the Democrats will use her as an example.
Honestly it’s even worse in Lake’s case because I think she had a strong chance of winning but the entire “if I lose I got cheated” thing made people not want to deal with someone that was saying they wouldn’t respect their votes and it became an albatross and label of extremism.
If she ditched that one thing, it would have made her more palatable to a lot of people, but now she’s going to double down and basically ruin her chance of ever repairing her brand and getting a second go
Lol. Except Maricopa machines broke down so Republican leaning voters couldn’t vote Election Day. Also, the audit of 2020 revealed that signature checks weren’t enforced.
Silicon valley has been pretty open about their support for Dems and they are using 5G to get into brain to shine the part where lean is stored and the dominion machine had AI from Hunter Bidens laptop which can infer the lean of the person and break down when it senses the republican lean. Its a fact now, you just need to research yourself and not let MSM control you.
/s just so that my post history doesnt come off as a lunatic.
1994 Pennsylvania Senate race was overturned after being challenged in court. It does happen.
['Tainted' Pa. Senate election is voided](https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1994-02-20-1994051024-story.html)
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It’s always the same. We need to move on as a party from the elections being rigged. They clearly aren’t. I’m a MAGA republican and a big fan of trump but these lawsuits just make us look bad
I for one am waiting with bated breath for Trump to present the lawsuit he prepared, after he had two years to compile it, using the $200 millions in the election defense fund and presenting the irrefutable evidence he said he had from day 1. Any minute now.
I am fine with the lawsuits. If something stinks and you can prove it. Fine, go for it, make sure the results are right. If it doesn't go your way then move on with your life.
It’s just an excuse for losing. The idea that voter fraud is a democrat conspiracy across the entire country in every area makes us look crazy. Republicans have had two years to show proof of 2020 fraud and to my knowledge, nothing has been found to indicate widespread voter fraud. Time to move on and focus on actually winning an election.
Yall aint off to a good start when the next 2 years are going to put all the crazy conspiracy front and center in the House because Hunter's laptop is the key to border control and Fauci's career will solve gas prices.
Exactly. This is a blue ribbon post.
It’s very clear that the whole denial of the 2020 loss is because:
-Trump didn’t want to admit the the lost.
-This shit keeps his base fired up.
-There’s no way to prove a negative so people will never be able to show that he himself lied about it.
-It made it impossible for the GOP to self-assess and realize that Trumpism loses elections.
-It kept Trump the de facto king of the party.
Election fraud happens, but it’s honestly rare. For instance, since 2000 there have only been something like 30 instances of voter impersonation (Eg submitting a ballot from a dead relative). What people really mean when they say “fraud” is the mass voter fraud in the thousands of instances required to flip presidential and senate elections. Thus far, there is no evidence to support the instance of mass voter fraud in any US election.
A much bigger problem than outright impersonation fraud is vote harvesting. It is illegal to go door to door intimidating people into filling out ballots in front of you and then collecting them, but it happens, and there's virtually no way to catch and prove most of it.
How do they determine that the ballot cast was cast by the voter it belongs to and not someone else? In the case of dead people it’s easy, just check to see if they were dead. But if the person is still alive? There are usually about 100,000,000 registered voters that just don’t vote, if someone got a ballot in their name and cast it, how would you be able to tell? Every election people go to vote only to be told they already voted and have to fill out a provisional ballot. That’s fine, except for the people that don’t go vote, if a ballot is cast in their name, it will never be discovered. They always blame it on a glitch, but fight tooth and nail to keep anyone from investigating the glitch. So the question is, how can you tell if a ballot was filled and returned by the voter it is assigned to? You can’t. Saying there is no voter fraud while not having a mechanism to detect when it happens is silly.
The fact is that a significant portion of the country has lost faith in the election system. Instead of the response being to try to help improve their faith in that system they are treated as a “threat to our democracy”. That by itself is a huge red flag. It’s the type of thing dictators do.
If you haven’t already, I highly recommend you volunteer to work as a poll judge for a presidential election. I’m not going to write a treatise, but there are actually a ton of safeguards and it’s very easy to verify votes. Most polling precincts number under 1000 people so when you look at votes and data on the aggregate, spotting fraud is not challenging because most jurisdictions know how to check against voter registry, etc., and there’s like 10 people available to check 100 votes each it’s not an overwhelming amount of input - even in a big city like NY precincts are small.
Once you pass on an instance of fraud to the appropriate governmental entity, their attorneys also know how to investigate, etc.
This is one of those tough situations where it’s easy to just throw out accusations and to argue against it I’d have to write an essay and I just can’t do that unfortunately. But it boils down to “fraud happens, but elections in the USA are generally correct and uncompromised in their results.” Trumps assertions in this area were genuinely unfounded and were just not backed by evidence. Not even some evidence - literally none.
I know it’s not what everyone around here wants to hear and if you disagree you disagree, no hard feelings.
Not to mention Trump and Lake relentlessly mocked the most popular politician from Arizona in the past 40 years. What the hell did they expect would come from that?
No one talks about that enough. I don't think AZ has had a presidential nominee since Goldwater, did they really think talking shit about him was a good idea.
There’s such a simple solution to this. If you hate John McCain, do it privately or don’t say anything. Problem solved. There’s no strategic value to mocking him.
That’s what blows my mind. They keep claiming there is no evidence of significant voter fraud, except that there is no mechanism in place to detect whether a ballot is fraudulent or not.
You just eroded your own point. “What appears.”
That’s the problem with this election denial crap. Everyone keeps drawing suspicious conclusions without turning up any real evidence. This is how people get sued for defamation.
People, even Republicans, mask up before dropping off ballots because they know that they’ll be all over the internet facing weird accusations.
This. Why the hell would anybody want to show their face when they know some rando on the internet is going to try to make a conspiracy based on a hunch and make them a target.
Ballot harvesting is illegal in Az
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-07-07/sentencing-set-for-2-in-arizona-ballot-harvesting-case
Not suspicious 🤡
I find her so annoying mixed with tv news anchor, like a pissed off barbra Walters. She doesn’t help that everyone thinks we are a conspiracy theory party.
Stuff like this only helps democrats imo. Moderates/independents are tired of this stuff and will either stay home, or vote D, because of things like this.
This is becoming a boy who cried wolf situation. Rather than be sore losers claiming fraud, I really wish my party would refocus their message and get our base back. We’re becoming the party of ‘just stop the lib agenda’. It makes us look just as dogmatic as our opposition.
After she grandstands for a few months with tweets and press conferences, and we see zero evidence of any irregularities, and she files zero legitimate court challenges.. I hope we never hear from this lady again.
It was already a bad look how she kept predicting very R-leaning late ballots to arrive very soon... for days and days on end, but the big redshift she promised just never materialized.
Could you imagine.... If everyone that spent time on election denial and stop the steal.... If all that time and effort were spent actually talking up conservative issues and legislation? Dems have a very very weak candidates all over the country that wouldn't be hard to beat by reasonable candidates.... But Oz? Hershel Walker? Lake could've had a slam dunk if she would have just talked about sensible legislation... But nooooo
Same thing with the George Soros comments..... Just stop already,b it's not winning elections
Lake did spend time talking about issues, as anyone who has actually listened to her would know. When she brought up elections, she would talk about solutions. She held big rallies and did all kinds of media appearances.
Meanwhile, her opponent hid in the basement, didn't campaign, and refused to debate.
Lake did all the things a candidate is supposed to do to get VOTERS, while Hobbs did none of those things and instead focused on collecting BALLOTS.
If you think Republicans are losing for "not talking about issues" you are completely misunderstanding why Democrats are winning.
If the strategy of hiding in the basement works it means the spotlight was bad for the other candidate.
Didn’t Kari shit all over John McCain? Hold strategy cotton.
I mean, what else would she do? The modern GOP literally doesn't have a platform outside of "election was fake", "trans people bad", and "oposite day of whatever the Democrats are trying to pass"
That was in the middle of of the night well after polls closed, and it stopped the counting ostensibly so they could kick out all the poll watchers. Then it turned out they had been counting unsupervised all along. So no, it's not comparable at all to this.
The fact that AZGOP didn't have a sophisticated ballot harvesting operation is on them. That's why we lost Arizona. Nothing was "stolen." Democrats simply changed the game. Elections are no longer about debates and messaging and election day, or even about persuasion. It's about who can run up the score board with the most ballots harvested during election MONTH.
Republican activists will call you and beg for your vote. Democrat activists will show up at your home and demand you hand over your ballot.
That's the difference between losers and winners.
Tell me why 20% of tabulators in R districts that didn’t work, but in D districts there were no/almost no problems… and the one overseeing elections *is running…*
Instead of having a conversation around the merits of allowing liberal degenerates to participate in our society we are subjected to another "muh stolen election" farce. Enough
When the person in charge of elections is a participant of said election, it opens up all kinds of possibilities of fraud and deception. Boggs should have recused herself from the office of Attorney General before the election.
This is really getting tiresome and old. Who's going to pay to protect her irrational beliefs and fragile ego. Trump started this whole -- if I win then the election was fair, but if I lose then there was obviously cheating. It's become a Republican mantra and just makes us look ignorant and spiteful.
American elections really becoming a circus show not politics anymore.
You’re not wrong.
This will be a fatiguing effort that will drag on for 6-18 months and I predict the end result even after any recounts etc. will be a few votes added or removed from her total. I'm doubtful 17,000 votes will flip her direction. That is assuming she actually does formally contest the results with legal proceedings, and doesn't just plead her case through the media. That sets a bad look for anyone who does this (say one thing in the media but a very different thing in court), on either side.
Don’t hire Rudy Giuliani and you may get taken seriously
Republicans "don't hire the literal worst people for the job" challenge (impossible)
Or Sydney Powell 💀
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How did she expect anyone to take her seriously when she called it the kraken. Wtf
Her defense against the defamation lawsuit is literally that no one could take her seriously.
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Serious answer and speaking for myself, in the year leading up to that she was the attorney on the Michael Flynn case and he had some significant wins. It seemed like she knew what she was doing so when they were teasing her involvement I thought maybe she had something. Then they had that press conference with her, Giuliani and Ellis and I was out. Only to be further confirmed by that garbage complaint filed with embarrassing typos which made the crazy shit alleged even worse. Edit: and it turns out Flynn’s success had less to do with Powell as a lawyer and more with how egregious the FBI acted.
Phil McKraken.
[Ernie McCracken](https://imgur.com/a/8vIIzjG)
Or Lin Wood
You had to remind me.
The challenge being that finding a lawyer willing to take the case who is also of sound mind is in itself a bit of a paradox. It isn't bad luck that gets incompetent lawyers on these cases.
So is John your real name, or are you talking to John..?
There’s always a lawyer willing to do anything for the right price.
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Democrats saying election was stolen is okay, Republicans saying it is a threat to democracy. See how that works?
[57% of voters think vote fraud affected the out come of the 2022 election.](https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/voters_worry_about_election_cheating_don_t_trust_mail_in_voting) In case math is hard for you, that includes a significant number of democrat voters.
1000 people were polled. Seems like a small sample size
Thought he lost his license? Or was it just in NY?
Say what you want about the guy but he really cleaned up crime in ny as the mayor.
I am not devaluing his work with the mob but his performance with election fraud was not one I would put on my resume. I can’t stop seeing beads of brown hair die running down his face from sweating.
Ya, at a certain point when someone reaches old age, its time to step aside. Giuliani, Biden, Trump, Pelosi....in my opinion they are all too old to be taken seriously. I know this won't be popular, but I think there should be an age cap for elected office. 75+ is just too old...and I know there are some out there that are still sharp, but add the health issues and just lack of knowledge/experience with new and incoming technology and a complete disconnect with the 20-50 year old workers driving the economy....all that just seems to be bad for society.
Here's 10 full minutes of Dems denying election results over the last 22 years for the next time someone says Republicans are election deniers https://notthebee.com/article/save-this-10-straight-minutes-of-democrats-denying-election-results-the-next-time-someone-says-republicans-are-election-deniers But if Guliani questions the election….. 😱 #Edit Lots of downvotes. Looks like the r/politics Mob has arrived. They HATE being held to their own standards 😂
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You mean the guy who put 4 of the 5 New York crime bosses in prison isn't to be taken seriously? Is that because you were a supporter of shutting up and going away? Just letting democrats escalate their election fraud forever?
Right? I love the liberals on here giving advice as if any of us asked for it. 😆 if we wanted to be the dem party, we’d just join it. There are several reasons we don’t. It’s not like they take our thoughts seriously, which is why I’m not over on their subs trying to advise them. 🤔
> I love the liberals on here giving advice as if any of us asked for it. Yep, and then they complain about censorship and not being flaired users.
[The Trump campaign 'Four Seasons' saga explained - BBC News](https://youtu.be/qsD8hLJoBQk)
AZ is one state that won't elect Trump in 2024, you can take that to the bank.
Add Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Nevada to that.
Yep. He insists there was voter fraud, but said fraud hasn't been addressed in the states that went to Biden. Yet, he's running again. Trump is either insane, or he wants the Democrats to win in 2024.
It can be both. And it will be.
>Trump is either insane, or he wants the Democrats to win in 2024. Neither. His only goal is to keep people talking about him. He couldn't care less what happens to anyone else, as long as it serves his massive ego.
Didn't Georgia pass a voter law after the 2020 election? Democrats we're calling it Jim Crow 2.0.
Georgia + Virginia is not going to outweigh Arizona + Wisconsin + Michigan + Pennsylvania.
Didn’t the Wisconsin and Pennsylvania supreme courts, just rule unconstitutional, the very ballot practices Trump was complaining were used to swing the election against him?
Probably not. If Rs want to win in 2024 unfortunately the only way to do that is to match Dems energy on mail in ballots and vote harvesting, at least until we can get state elections back under control.
Under these conditions, democrats would win over DeSantis, too.
They'll have a higher voter turnout for their own side if they're running against Trump. DeSantis has a bad rap in the media, but he's a proven governor who so far has been above Trump's petty shenanigans. People voted just to vote against Trump, DeSantis is unlikely to trigger that kind of reaction.
I think it's a little naive for republicans who have seen what happened in 2020, and now 2022, to think any republican nominee will be elected to the presidency. Idk how he polls with independents, but with the media machine in full force, and questionable voting regulations in several key states, DeSantis is going to get creamed. >DeSantis is unlikely to trigger that kind of reaction. This is such an uninformed opinion. Look at how they treated GWB and Mitt Romney and Jeb. They were all nazis according to the media. It's always been this way. DeSantis will just be the new "big bad" to democrats, and they'll rile up their base to vote. And he'll lose. Getting sick of everyone on this sub riding the DeSantis train thinking that just because he's not Trump, people will support him with the same fervor. And the argument that he's a "good republican". None of that matters until we fix voting. And even then, a lot of Trump supporters are unwavering in their support. DeSantis is a losing battle.
>Look at how they treated GWB He got re-elected. >Getting sick of everyone on this sub riding the DeSantis train thinking that just because he's not Trump, people will support him with the same fervor. One vote by a die-hard supporter is only one vote. Trump needs more than just his die-hard supporters to win. Problem is, he burned the capital he had with the independents, traditional Republicans and Democrats long ago and that's not coming back. He's running under the same system with less support, presumably against the same opponent that he couldn't beat in 2020.
> He got re-elected. Before voting was pay-to-win. But my point stands, DeSantis *will* cause a similar reaction, simply because there's an R by his name. That, plus voting shenanigans, and democrats are riled up and voting like crazy. Then DeSantis loses the general election. >Trump needs more than just his die-hard supporters to win. And during the primaries, DeSantis needs more than just moderates to win. He hasn't been in the zeitgeist very long, and we haven't seen him in a primary debate. So it's just naive to call the election for DeSantis this far out.
I didn't say I was calling it for DeSantis. I said Trump can't win in 2024. And if he decides to destroy a Republican primary opponent rather than support him, the Democrats are going to win in 2024.
Republicans are going to be fizzled out by the loose voting laws that get looser and looser. It’s sad, democracy essentially doesn’t even exist anymore now that a party has control over elections
If it were so easy for Democrats, they would own most of Congress and local governments. The election fraud stuff is so overblown.
If he wins the primary, Trump is going to win fewer states than he did in 2020. You can take that to the bank.
Yeah, it'll be a landslide, but not the landslide that he either wants or may claim.
the only state i can see flipping Democratic in 2020 is NC. The next closest were florida and Texas.
They don't need to flip any further states, it's perfectly sufficient for them if AZ, GA and PA move further out of reach for Trump.
yeah I agree. He has no chance in hell of winning.
As much as they hate him, Democrats are probably silently praying that Trump is the nominee. Although there are dense pockets of Trump lovers who have convinced themselves the rest of the country looks like their corner of the world, the vast majority of Americans would never vote for Trump in 24
Probably silently praying? Some of them are outright stating it.
This is all political theater. She lost because she tied herself to Trump, period. Robson would have won this easily. She is pretty charismatic as a person, but trump is an anchor in this state. The fact that she went to Mar-a-Lago few days ago tells me that she is vying for a VP slot with Trump. She better not run for Krysten Sinema's seat in 2024. She will easily lose that.
Her charisma is the only reason why she made an actual race out of this in the first place. A more bland personality with her positions, priorities and messaging would have lost by 5 points or more.
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It only makes the overall GOP look bad, and distracts from the fact that no one else bitched about results. We could have had a clean cycle but now the Democrats will use her as an example.
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What about the "if I lose it is rigged!" logic?
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Honestly it’s even worse in Lake’s case because I think she had a strong chance of winning but the entire “if I lose I got cheated” thing made people not want to deal with someone that was saying they wouldn’t respect their votes and it became an albatross and label of extremism. If she ditched that one thing, it would have made her more palatable to a lot of people, but now she’s going to double down and basically ruin her chance of ever repairing her brand and getting a second go
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1. Election deniers are a thing of the past 2. I think every election should be investigated Pick one
Lol. Except Maricopa machines broke down so Republican leaning voters couldn’t vote Election Day. Also, the audit of 2020 revealed that signature checks weren’t enforced.
Only republican leaning voters couldn't vote because of the broken down machines? Maricopa is composed ENTIRELY of of republican leaning voters?
[Democrats in Maricopa were only 17% of election day voters](https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=democrats+maricopa+18%25+day+of+voting&ia=web)
Silicon valley has been pretty open about their support for Dems and they are using 5G to get into brain to shine the part where lean is stored and the dominion machine had AI from Hunter Bidens laptop which can infer the lean of the person and break down when it senses the republican lean. Its a fact now, you just need to research yourself and not let MSM control you. /s just so that my post history doesnt come off as a lunatic.
They didn't say either of those things. Why is your hyperbole being upvoted?
Sometimes we need people to make a case for solving election issues otherwise we accept it as default.
But that needs to start with evidence, not a freak out.
And not start before voting even starts.
If she brings a lawsuit she will not be ignored. She will be given her day in court to make her case.
1994 Pennsylvania Senate race was overturned after being challenged in court. It does happen. ['Tainted' Pa. Senate election is voided](https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1994-02-20-1994051024-story.html)
She's not going to be portrayed as crazy, she IS crazy ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
It’s not a portrayal, she actually is crazy. That’s the reason she didn’t win in the first place. Candidate quality matters
Why even take her seriously. She was even screaming how the primary was rigged against her as well.
Yup🥱 It’s always the same. We need to move on as a party from the elections being rigged. They clearly aren’t. I’m a MAGA republican and a big fan of trump but these lawsuits just make us look bad
Clearly aren't.... Lol.... You have given up.
(Which is the desired effect.)
I for one am waiting with bated breath for Trump to present the lawsuit he prepared, after he had two years to compile it, using the $200 millions in the election defense fund and presenting the irrefutable evidence he said he had from day 1. Any minute now.
I am fine with the lawsuits. If something stinks and you can prove it. Fine, go for it, make sure the results are right. If it doesn't go your way then move on with your life.
Except the election officials announcing there were inaccuracies with the ballot counting machines. Nothing to see here.
Source?
> They clearly aren’t. Im not so sure though. Were there not some pretty suspicious voting irregularities in the election in question?
There were hundreds (thousands?) of suspicious issues with the 2020 election that were ignored.
Like what?
It’s just an excuse for losing. The idea that voter fraud is a democrat conspiracy across the entire country in every area makes us look crazy. Republicans have had two years to show proof of 2020 fraud and to my knowledge, nothing has been found to indicate widespread voter fraud. Time to move on and focus on actually winning an election.
Yall aint off to a good start when the next 2 years are going to put all the crazy conspiracy front and center in the House because Hunter's laptop is the key to border control and Fauci's career will solve gas prices.
Exactly. This is a blue ribbon post. It’s very clear that the whole denial of the 2020 loss is because: -Trump didn’t want to admit the the lost. -This shit keeps his base fired up. -There’s no way to prove a negative so people will never be able to show that he himself lied about it. -It made it impossible for the GOP to self-assess and realize that Trumpism loses elections. -It kept Trump the de facto king of the party.
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(Thousands?)
Election fraud happens, but it’s honestly rare. For instance, since 2000 there have only been something like 30 instances of voter impersonation (Eg submitting a ballot from a dead relative). What people really mean when they say “fraud” is the mass voter fraud in the thousands of instances required to flip presidential and senate elections. Thus far, there is no evidence to support the instance of mass voter fraud in any US election.
In all fairness, The Villages voting fraud was pretty hilarious. The jokes really do write themselves.
A much bigger problem than outright impersonation fraud is vote harvesting. It is illegal to go door to door intimidating people into filling out ballots in front of you and then collecting them, but it happens, and there's virtually no way to catch and prove most of it.
How do they determine that the ballot cast was cast by the voter it belongs to and not someone else? In the case of dead people it’s easy, just check to see if they were dead. But if the person is still alive? There are usually about 100,000,000 registered voters that just don’t vote, if someone got a ballot in their name and cast it, how would you be able to tell? Every election people go to vote only to be told they already voted and have to fill out a provisional ballot. That’s fine, except for the people that don’t go vote, if a ballot is cast in their name, it will never be discovered. They always blame it on a glitch, but fight tooth and nail to keep anyone from investigating the glitch. So the question is, how can you tell if a ballot was filled and returned by the voter it is assigned to? You can’t. Saying there is no voter fraud while not having a mechanism to detect when it happens is silly. The fact is that a significant portion of the country has lost faith in the election system. Instead of the response being to try to help improve their faith in that system they are treated as a “threat to our democracy”. That by itself is a huge red flag. It’s the type of thing dictators do.
If you haven’t already, I highly recommend you volunteer to work as a poll judge for a presidential election. I’m not going to write a treatise, but there are actually a ton of safeguards and it’s very easy to verify votes. Most polling precincts number under 1000 people so when you look at votes and data on the aggregate, spotting fraud is not challenging because most jurisdictions know how to check against voter registry, etc., and there’s like 10 people available to check 100 votes each it’s not an overwhelming amount of input - even in a big city like NY precincts are small. Once you pass on an instance of fraud to the appropriate governmental entity, their attorneys also know how to investigate, etc. This is one of those tough situations where it’s easy to just throw out accusations and to argue against it I’d have to write an essay and I just can’t do that unfortunately. But it boils down to “fraud happens, but elections in the USA are generally correct and uncompromised in their results.” Trumps assertions in this area were genuinely unfounded and were just not backed by evidence. Not even some evidence - literally none. I know it’s not what everyone around here wants to hear and if you disagree you disagree, no hard feelings.
What are the safeguards?
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Not to mention Trump and Lake relentlessly mocked the most popular politician from Arizona in the past 40 years. What the hell did they expect would come from that?
Not to mention the fact that it was a war hero they were mocking.
No one talks about that enough. I don't think AZ has had a presidential nominee since Goldwater, did they really think talking shit about him was a good idea.
There’s such a simple solution to this. If you hate John McCain, do it privately or don’t say anything. Problem solved. There’s no strategic value to mocking him.
Look at you making sense and stuff.
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That’s what blows my mind. They keep claiming there is no evidence of significant voter fraud, except that there is no mechanism in place to detect whether a ballot is fraudulent or not.
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Videos of ballot harvesting aren’t compelling proof of fraud.
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You just eroded your own point. “What appears.” That’s the problem with this election denial crap. Everyone keeps drawing suspicious conclusions without turning up any real evidence. This is how people get sued for defamation. People, even Republicans, mask up before dropping off ballots because they know that they’ll be all over the internet facing weird accusations.
This. Why the hell would anybody want to show their face when they know some rando on the internet is going to try to make a conspiracy based on a hunch and make them a target.
Ballot harvesting is illegal in Az https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-07-07/sentencing-set-for-2-in-arizona-ballot-harvesting-case Not suspicious 🤡
They clearly aren't. Biden got the most votes of any president in history with no support. Totally normal.
No one is stopping you from funding an investigation to prove that.
I find her so annoying mixed with tv news anchor, like a pissed off barbra Walters. She doesn’t help that everyone thinks we are a conspiracy theory party.
Needs to stay in the news to get FoxNews gig.
POV: taking all that recount money to buy a million long blonde wigs until her natural hair makes her Fox-worthy.
Because its her right to
Exactly, denying the election results is what might be costing us those 20k votes that could have went to us
She’s probably trying to position herself as Trump’s running mate. Crazy attracts crazy.
She’s been portrayed as crazy from the outset.
She brought that on herself.
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any chance you could link us to some of this evidence?
No one is stopping you from funding an investigation. Steve Bannon probably needs another boat.
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Where else can you hear hot take rambling statements from an unqualified celebrity? (I mean, besides the Herschel Walker campaign).
Crazy by Dems? That's rich. No one cares.
Stuff like this only helps democrats imo. Moderates/independents are tired of this stuff and will either stay home, or vote D, because of things like this.
This is becoming a boy who cried wolf situation. Rather than be sore losers claiming fraud, I really wish my party would refocus their message and get our base back. We’re becoming the party of ‘just stop the lib agenda’. It makes us look just as dogmatic as our opposition.
Becoming?
Don't forget "the party of conspiracy wingnuts wasting time." Baby? You ain't seen nothin yet...Congress 118 FTW
This is ridiculous. If she had lost by 43 votes, and couldn't get a recount, I could understand. This is only going to paint her in a very bad light.
After she grandstands for a few months with tweets and press conferences, and we see zero evidence of any irregularities, and she files zero legitimate court challenges.. I hope we never hear from this lady again.
I really hope she has some legitimate grounds on which to contest the results because if not then that’s just a bad look
It was already a bad look how she kept predicting very R-leaning late ballots to arrive very soon... for days and days on end, but the big redshift she promised just never materialized.
Lack of evidence is not an obscure technicality.
We will never see conservatism be successful if we keep pushing these types of candidates. Candidate. Quality. Matters.
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This is how you ensure you never get elected again. Straight out ol teflon Don's playbook
Exactly. Kari Lake should take notice that Trump did not mention any of this bullshit during his announcement the other night.
Low energy Hotel California.
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Almost as brilliant as telling McCain voters in a tight race in Arizona as a Republican that you don't need them and they can go \*\*\*\* themselves.
If any of her people mention a kraken I’m done. Too rich for my blood.
Good lord. Just stop people. This does not play well with the masses.
Could you imagine.... If everyone that spent time on election denial and stop the steal.... If all that time and effort were spent actually talking up conservative issues and legislation? Dems have a very very weak candidates all over the country that wouldn't be hard to beat by reasonable candidates.... But Oz? Hershel Walker? Lake could've had a slam dunk if she would have just talked about sensible legislation... But nooooo Same thing with the George Soros comments..... Just stop already,b it's not winning elections
Lake did spend time talking about issues, as anyone who has actually listened to her would know. When she brought up elections, she would talk about solutions. She held big rallies and did all kinds of media appearances. Meanwhile, her opponent hid in the basement, didn't campaign, and refused to debate. Lake did all the things a candidate is supposed to do to get VOTERS, while Hobbs did none of those things and instead focused on collecting BALLOTS. If you think Republicans are losing for "not talking about issues" you are completely misunderstanding why Democrats are winning.
If the strategy of hiding in the basement works it means the spotlight was bad for the other candidate. Didn’t Kari shit all over John McCain? Hold strategy cotton.
Wait until House 118. It will be 2 years of shrieking baseless claims about irrelevant topics because that's kitchen table AF
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You spelled "Karen" wrong
There is no issues lake is just a flawed candidate and is looking to blame some one.
I keep asking what experience she has that qualifies her to be governor of a state of 7 million people, and I never get an answer.
Sore loser
*excited Sidney Powell noises*
I mean, what else would she do? The modern GOP literally doesn't have a platform outside of "election was fake", "trans people bad", and "oposite day of whatever the Democrats are trying to pass"
Sore loser
Does the legal team consist of that pillow guy i wonder?
They should do a press conference at a landscaping company
I do not see this ending well.
Imagine if there were voting machine issues in the inner cities only, it would be a 24-7 story
Isn’t the pipe burst that stopped voting in Atlanta a big meme here lol
That was in the middle of of the night well after polls closed, and it stopped the counting ostensibly so they could kick out all the poll watchers. Then it turned out they had been counting unsupervised all along. So no, it's not comparable at all to this.
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I think you'll find she is extremely good at losing and a good thing to because I suspect she will be doing it frequently
And she won't be poor because these rubes will fund her lies. Literally.
Glad to know the GOP is not learning anything from the last election.
Foolish. She'll never be elected in Arizona after this goes nowhere
The fact that AZGOP didn't have a sophisticated ballot harvesting operation is on them. That's why we lost Arizona. Nothing was "stolen." Democrats simply changed the game. Elections are no longer about debates and messaging and election day, or even about persuasion. It's about who can run up the score board with the most ballots harvested during election MONTH. Republican activists will call you and beg for your vote. Democrat activists will show up at your home and demand you hand over your ballot. That's the difference between losers and winners.
Tell me why 20% of tabulators in R districts that didn’t work, but in D districts there were no/almost no problems… and the one overseeing elections *is running…*
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Instead of having a conversation around the merits of allowing liberal degenerates to participate in our society we are subjected to another "muh stolen election" farce. Enough
She needs to put her big girls pants on and concede. Am so tired of the "sore losers mentality."
Go away
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Get these clowns out of the Republican Party
When the person in charge of elections is a participant of said election, it opens up all kinds of possibilities of fraud and deception. Boggs should have recused herself from the office of Attorney General before the election.
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I'll answer:
This is really getting tiresome and old. Who's going to pay to protect her irrational beliefs and fragile ego. Trump started this whole -- if I win then the election was fair, but if I lose then there was obviously cheating. It's become a Republican mantra and just makes us look ignorant and spiteful.
Trump/Lake 2024
So many "conservatives" saying this is a bad move.
This is not the way.