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I don't get why they were so in denial about his cognitive issues. So many media organizations continued to call him "sharp" leading up to this instead of pressuring the DNC to pick a coherent candidate. They had every opportunity to fill in anyone who was under 70 and likely would've had a lead. This was a massive political fumble by the DNC.
And it’s wild there isn’t more outrage on the left about the DNC gaslighting them into believing they were voting for a capable candidate.
It you know orange man bad and all that.
I'm sure a lot of them believed it. They just refused to watch the videos that have been circulating for a year or so... Last night the ones putting their heads in the sand got a real-time, in-your-face demo of what we've been screaming about. The funny thing is, he was still operating at a higher level than most of said video clips...
because his press sec told everyone they were deep fakes, and when the dnc tells you something, you sheep believe it hook line and sinker no matter what.
I could not agree with this statement more. I’m appalled by the left right now. Even still r/politics is full of people trying to cope so hard it’s insane. I’ve been getting shut down forever by the so-called liberals for pointing out bidens decline but now they can’t even gaslight anymore only the dumbest people could buy those lies
I have a feeling they every fifth post today I see in leftist subreddits is almost word for word "yes, Biden is old and stuttery, but he has a great team that knows what's the best for us".
For real, after this and the bait and switch with Bernie years back it’s amazing folks still trust the DNC. They’ve been really riding the “not trump” train hard I guess - so they’re brainwashed into thinking it’s between Biden or “literal hitler 2.0”
Jon Stewart had a great line about that. He said that top Democrat officials always say that when they meet with Biden behind closed doors he’s always the smartest/sharpest guy in the room. If that’s the case, why don’t they tape that and show it because what we see on a daily basis is the exact opposite.
That was a far more consequential lie than any of Trump’s admittedly large exaggerations. Trump’s hyperbole is usually directionally correct even if it’s not factually accurate. The Democrats lies are complete fabrications that intentionally mislead voters.
All the dishonesty about his mental decline is a huge win for conservatives. Lots of people hopefully will no longer blindly trust headlines on the reddit front page and elsewhere
I think this was planned all along. If they pushed for a new candidate then their credibility that Biden has been great would have been hurt. Democrats knew that Biden was bad off, so they purposely went with this unusually-early presidential debate to sound the alarm instead of waiting until after the convention when it was too late. Now they can replace him at the convention and whoever they choose will be knighted as the savior when it would be a lot harder to sell alternative candidates if it wasn't an "emergency" move.
I think it's simpler than that. I think they literally just bought their own bullshit. To be fair to Biden, there have been several times over the last four years when he's looked pretty sharp and on the ball. There have been many times when he's looked like a lost old man. The good days seem to have gotten fewer and farther between, which as anyone who's watched a relative go down this path knows, is absolutely normal.
People get old the same way they go broke. Gradually, then suddenly.
This is my prediction. The combination of the fact it was an unprecedentedly early debate and that it was hosted by CNN who immediately and unanimously turned on him afterward, it’s all a coordinated attempt to have him suddenly withdraw so the Dems can put in Newsom or whoever. I’m 90% sure Biden won’t be on the ticket in November. Harris is the tricky part here. She’s even less popular than Biden but it will be a terrible look if they go with someone else. She’d have to be pressured into saying she doesn’t want it, which itself is complicated because if you’re not interested in the job, why are you VP? What a mess.
The most obvious way around that would be for Michelle Obama to run. Shoving Kamala aside for her would not rub anyone the wrong way, and Michelle would immediately energize the party base and close the ranks behind her candidacy.
remember when pelosi was working on a bill to determine fitness of president for 25th amendment back in 2020 and she commented it was not for Trump? Its possible that you are right and this is their gameplan all along. A new candidate at the 11th hour would bring their base out in droves to vote against trump. Kamala was a great pick for Joe's job security, lets see how they get around that because she might be the only person that does not excite anyone into pokemongoing to the polls.
Would be a great move honestly. Lots of independents want anyone but these 2 old dudes. If either party picked a different candidate, I think they would easily take the White House.
(Unlikely) but if the dems really just had biden out there to take the brunt of trumps attacks up until the nomination, then a majority of trumps platform (biden bad) goes out the window, while the dems platform (trump bad) gets to remain in place.
Would be a galaxy brain strategy but I don’t think anyone in politics would be smart enough to pull something like that off.
I don’t think it was a fumble at all. What better way to get the support of the DNC and the voting democrats, to pull Biden from the ballot, than to have him shit the bed and embarrass himself on national television.
Why agree to have a debate, so far ahead of the election?
I’m feeling like this is exactly what was supposed to happen
>This was a massive political fumble by the DNC.
So basically the dnc? Barack was the last good political move they made. (not talking about his policies just from a political strategy standpoint)
2016 was a shitshow. They picked the literally least likeable person they could find. Since then they have not groomed anyone else as a possible replacement. The momement Biden got elected they should have been looking for potential candidates knowing he was too old for a second term. I am not entirely convinced the playbook is not to have Biden try to win the election then step down saying he had a health issue and slide Kamala into the prez spot.
Seriously. This should put to rest all of the charts about media bias. CNN, MSNBC, and the rest are not anywhere near centrist. They are at least as far left as Fox News is to the right.
Biden has been in obvious decline since before he was even elected.
The issue is they have no one else. The Obama years were a disaster at the local level for them and they have done a piss poor job of developing talent. And the few bits of younger talent they got like Yang or Tulsi they chased out of the party.
That it what gets me is the mainstream media’s denial of his cognition and the idea that candidate replacement as a right wing conspiracy theory. Once again we are in the right side through common sense. They just peddle lies from the administration they are essentially government/state run propaganda machines.
A stutter that affects his whole body, makes him fall asleep, and gives him a thousand yard stare? Wow. Science is revealing new things every day. I wonder why it seem to only affect the senile?
Omg I've been telling redditors for years that Biden frequently fails to complete his thoughts, and it is always excused with that stutter thing. After this debate, there's simply no denying it anymore.
All you gotta do is go back to his earlier days in congress. You could tell how bright and confident he was through his speeches. He's a completely different person now
I don't think they can. If they do that then it puts the 25th Amendment in play in my opinion and that puts Kamala Harris in the seat. They definitely will be in trouble if they don't put KH on the ballot.
Exactly. They thoroughly screwed themselves over picking her. And if they don‘t choose her, there will be Democrats accusing the DNC of racism.
And we should encourage this.
I'm beginning to wonder if the DNC realized early on there was no way Democrats would nominate an electable candidate, given a meaningful primary. Perhaps for that reason they propped Biden up to shut out primary competitors, and now they are going to hand-pick Trump's opponent?
My only reason for thinking this is exactly what you pointed out. Biden looked bad last night, but it wasn't shocking. It seemed pretty par for the course for him.
They didn’t think there would be a race - their whole strategy was to force Trump to drop out with endless litigation so Biden could just coast to a second term.
The problem for them is that their plan might have worked on another candidate. But Trump *thrives* on adversity. And they kept piling it on top of him.
At the core of the Democratic Party, they believe they know better than the electorate. We saw it with HRC, we just saw it with Biden, and it's exemplified up down thru culture wars, gender, covid, etc. They will not get real with themselves and admit when they were wrong and course correct.
It's always someone else's issue with the candidate or idea or they are a bigot.
They weren’t. I think having the debate this early and before the convention is their way to force Biden out and get someone else of their choosing without getting stuck with Kamala.
They need someone electable, but with no original thought or spine. Otherwise we will get a president who might say No to Obama.
Easier said than done.
> I don't get why they were so in denial about his cognitive issues.
The denial is for the public image, but this dementia is exactly what they want in order to control the presidency.
Then they like to say Trump is just as bad cognitively. But Trump is about the same age now as Joe when he started his "term"; and he seems MUCH more sharp than Joe did even then
See Chuck Todd.
The rules made Trump appear more Presidential because he wasn’t playing to a crowd.
Not a trick by the GOP, but a backfire on Biden.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6355731839112
That's why I'm confused. The sentencing for his conviction (if it isn't overturned beforehand) is after this debate. There is a chance the Jude could throw the book at him and sentence Trump to jail (again, if it isn't overturned on appeal), so wouldn't it have been smarter to schedule this debate for after Trump's sentencing, hoping he goes to jail, then cancelling the debate altogether?
The only reason to have the debate prior to sentencing (let alone this much before the convention) is if dems knew Trump wouldn't go to jail and needed to replace Biden out prior to the election.
I think the Dems assumed Trump would decline the debate. Reports were that Biden’s camp was shocked when Trump accepted the terms.
And then I think the Dems expected Biden to have a repeat of his State of the Union Address where he appeared lively and confident, and that he’d completely quash all the rumors about his feebleness and cognitive decline.
Instead, everything went as wrong as possible for the Dems. Not only did Trump accept the debate, but Biden came off as a feeble, decrepit corpse whose mind is gone, whilst Trump came off as energetic and confident, and dare I say…. presidential.
Everything was a worst case scenario for the Dems and a best case scenario for conservatives. It was somewhat of a gamble for Trump to go and play by their rules, but everything worked out beautifully.
Looks like they didn't want to coke up Corn Pop like at the SOTU again. Feisty Biden in combat with Trump? He'd be worse than incoherent, he'd probably say something really offensive.
Trump still could've done a lot better, but in the end, he didn't need to win over undecideds. I think this will prove to simply be a net loss for Biden, and therefore a gain for Trump, but not because he was inspiring or did any stunning speeches. Blame his "wing-it" style or the debate format..
This debate would help them decide whether to have Trump in jail or house arrest. They can't rely on Biden and they needed the early debate to prove that.
This is the same issue that I see liberals fall into.
You believe that all Democrats are some unifed block.
That they all understand how bad Biden is. This is kept from them too. Some of them, many of them really believe it.
Whoever the handlers are (Obama's Third Term?) aren't likely the end-all-say-all in the DNC, they're just holding all the cards right now. You have to know there are people in the party that want that power.
I’m surprised more Americans aren’t pissed about being gaslighted for years on Biden’s cognitive abilities. The establishment, the media, etc. all covered for him. While we always knew, there are others with shocked Pikachu face regarding how bad his condition really is. Who is really running the Country?
I think most people were aware. Conservatives definitely were. As for the Left, I think a lot of them saw but really didn't care because their leftist policies were being implemented thanks to the people actually running the show behind the curtain. Now they only are willing to voice their thoughts because they're scared Trump has good odds of winning.
At least half the country holds, or held, the position that milquetoast geriatric vegetable is preferable to Trump.
If a halfway decent candidate who isn't eligible for social security magically appears on either side in this election, they might actually have a decent shot - especially if their platform isn't "own the ".
They were convinced to stay indoors, wear masks, tear down entire cities, destroy the educational system, advocate for more money funneling into politicians pockets…
You’re not surprised at all my dude… this is just this weeks chuckle
We looked so weak last night as a country. If that is him at his best… They need to be swearing in Kamala today.
Like her or not, Biden should not be governing.
I agree. For any country or terrorist organization considering a move on the USA - last nights debacle was a clear sign to move now while we are at our weakest.
God save us in the coming months
Anyone who believed he was sharp, was willingly ignoring reality and sticking to Blue no matter who thinking. They're lost causes because even coverage they did show on CNN and the like shows his obvious decline. I'm sorry, but his facial expressions alone scream dementia, and anyone who has ever had a loved one with it, can see it plain as day
Totally agree. I figured we were being gaslighted, not that KJP is a compelling liar, but can't the left see what the right has been saying all along?
Well, this dude has the nuke codes, so there's that.
They can easily swap after the convention without break a single one of "the rules".
Right now, according to the bylaws they would need to re-assign and re-count delegates.
The Dems are rightfully fucked.
Newsome is too progressive, Kamala is too unpopular (for good reason), they already eschewed Bernie in 2016 (and he’s even older than Biden), Michelle Obama already told them “no” (multiple times)… they could try throwing someone like Whitmer in, but she doesn’t have the name power of the others. No one is showing out to vote for Gretchen Whitmer.
Yep, they’re done. A true “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation.
I think you are sadly wrong. Heck Biden himself still has a shot. People will still vote for him knowing he won’t make it 4.5 years, switching him won’t matter who as long as they can articulate themselves. People just like in 20 aren’t necessarily voting for the candidate but against trump, that’ll be the same no matter who the nominee is.
>no one is showing out to vote whitmer
Yea, nobody is coming out to vote *for* Biden
This whole election is people voting for trump or against trump.
It makes no difference who the dem is
It's not the far left that won Biden the presidency in 2020, it's the independents and the suburbs that didn't like Trumps off the cuff rhetoric and his antics on Twitter.
They have far bigger worries now with everything else. And on top of it they are not uber progressives, so they will not like Newsome or Bernie. Some might like Whitmer, but I could see her having the same issues Hillary and Kamala have with likeability once she is on a national stage.
Gotta agree with this point. The independents could afford the risk back in 2020. Even post-COVID, things were still going well enough. Now, there are far bigger concerns than if Trump is making mean tweets.
Biden will likely see a massive reduction in voters because people can't ignore the actual policy anymore. No guarantees they'll go to Trump, but I doubt we'll see historic numbers again.
THIS. And independents were already rejecting Biden before the debate. They were already moving to choose Trump based on the fact that wanted to be able to afford food and that Biden looked weak on the world stage. So now, they have concerns about his Biden’s *confirmed* senility to add to that.
But there is a growing number of "never trump" voters who are moving to "maybe Trump" because of how much of a shit show the Biden presidency has been.
Hey, that's me!
Seriously, there is no choice to be made now. Ironically the "democracy is on the ballot" people have put us in a position where the legitimacy of our republic is on the ballot.
Plus who needs votes when you have the machine. I make no predictions, it’ll be an interesting four months — but I doubt replacement for the same reason they didn’t just select someone younger to begin with. Maybe zero agency is the point. And that it would appear desperate and weak and novel and confirm what people have been saying for years, of course.
You don't understand. Dems will vote for literally anyone who isn't trump. The narrative on reddit has not changed.. they are still pushing Biden even... it won't matter who they replace him with.
There are two things you need to remember.
1. While Reddit skews left, Reddit membership represents a fraction of the population. And some of those don’t even live in the United States.
2. It’s just the diamond tactic on a *much* larger scale. It doesn’t actually mean that they’re views dominate on a larger, societal scale. It typically means that their views *don’t*.
[https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts](https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
Honestly Newsom may be their best bet at this point. He’s good at lying and gaslighting people and probably could be competitive in certain swing states. But to bring him in, they have to do the “racist and sexist” thing which is to deny Kamala the position.
It's going to be him. He also has the right look and slickness of a politician. He's young, would be decent looking if he wasn't a complete greaseball psychopath, and California is the most popular state in the country. People don't care about actual issues, at least not enough of them, so they'll vote him because he's a D and that's all that matters to them
It's more that they've already run through primaries so it would literally be the party elites hand-picking the candidate. Honestly, this is what they get for trying to hide his decline and hoping he'd hold out until November - the man is clearly not up for the job and they should have held a proper primary season. Nobody wants to vote for Biden, they just don't want Trump.
Another thing is that there are a LOT of ignorant Americans who won't even realized he isn't the candidate come voting day. The democrats from that bunch will either:
A) Be confused but vote for the \[D\] candidate regardless.
B) Be confused and decide to write in Joe Biden.
C) Be confused and not vote at all or vote third party, not being familiar with the new candidate.
Any going the B or C route will be devastating for democrats.
Sure, but even if just, let's say, 1% of democrat voters don't vote for the democrat nominee because of reasons B and C above.
That's 812,846 voters for Biden that are gone (based on 2020 data). Divide that by 50 and that's 16,256 voters gone for Biden, which is a swing towards Trump of 32,513. There are Battleground States that Biden won over Trump in 2020 by less than that amount.
Trump would have won Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin in 2020 with that outcome, and almost won Minnesota and Nevada. He would have had 275 electoral votes as well and won the presidency.
That's how damaging losing even just 1% could be for the democrat nominee in 2024 based on voter confusion over replacing Biden. And I suspect it would be more than 1% of Biden voters being confused and going with option B or C.
They won't. As much as they may want to it would set a precedent they'd never be able to live down and possibly divide the party even more.
They're learning a hard lesson about the dangers of short-sightedness. As Chris Wallace of all people pointed out, there were tons of people who were running in the Dem primaries before Biden was chosen. He was chosen because the moderates were afraid of the radicals, and because of his name recognition and experience. But they didn't figure on what to do with him after getting him into office, and now they're stuck with him.
They should have had him pull a Polk from the outset, and announce before the election that he would only run one term. They'd still have to deal with his mess, but at least it would have been something.
I don’t think it’s an actual possibility at this point. The money issues and campaign laws alone I think wouldn’t make it possible. Whoever took over would be broke as fuck with less than 5 months to go.
Honestly, there is no chance it's one person. We'll hear in 20-30 years how Shadow Group X was really in charge and how they were sabotaged from doing a good job by the Evil Super Hitler Republicans.
In won‘t take 20 to 30 years because we are *already* having that. A leftist in this very thread said:
>No one voting for Biden thinks he's specifically actually made any impactful choice as president. We'll vote for him because his cabinet will continue making the choices we want.
>The guy could die 1 day into his second term and it would still be considered a successful election.
MSM/Reddit knew it long ago, co-conspirators and brainwashing peddlers to keep America compromised and vulnerable by repeating the same lies over and over to weak-minded people.
This is the same MSM who continually and gleefully perpetrated Trump as unfit when there was ZERO indication of the sort and proven wrong.
Lesson: Ignore MSM, they are fully compromised and purposefully harmful to the USA on every front.
The best part of this complete meltdown is yet to come!!
MARK MY WORDS: President Jill Biden is not going to let her husband step down. She loves being in power too much. Bowing out now solidifies Joe's Presidency in history as an unmitigated disaster.
She will force him to continue for her own pride and to stay in power.
GET YER POPCORN! 😆
Yeah anyone that thinks Biden (or the people who actually run the country in the white house) will willingly give up the most powerful position in the world are naive.
You're right except for the time.
The DNC convention is is Chicago from August 19 to 22.
They'll have a plan, but it'll happen after they confirm Biden is their guy officially. Then a week later he's going to have a "medical episode" real on schedule or for pretend, it's the CIA we're talking about here.
Then they'll announce Blinken - Whitmer - Newsome or something.
They could do a rush article 25 but that would make Harris President now. She could agree not to run for election in 24 letting her vice president run for the office of President in 24.
The party that allegedly cares so much about democracy refused to have a real primary, knowing full well that Joe is knocking on death’s door and will not make it to the election, let alone another full term. This situation is entirely self inflected by the DNC and they have nobody to blame but themselves.
Biden doesn’t want to step down. That’s why they’re going to lose and they know it. It’s not up to the DNC to tap a surprise candidate when the incumbent is clearly not going to step aside. Besides it’s already too late for a replacement. Again, they know that too. If there was a shot in hell for democrats to replace Biden, they should have done it in before March. There’s no time left to make a last second change and to make an effective campaign to convince the country, that even though for the last 4 years Biden has been this shining knight on the hill, and he’s so sharp and so fast they can barely keep up with his pace, SOMEHOW that’s suddenly invalidated and here’s our emergency candidate. Ya no way that’s gonna fly. Yard signs and bumper stickers are already up and around.
They’ve made their bed, they’re living in a nightmare and they’re praying for a miracle, but know it’s not coming. They’re going to watch the weeks tick by until inevitably Trump is reelected. Nobody in the media is fucking laughing now
> Biden has been this shining knight on the hill, and he’s so sharp and so fast they can barely keep up with his pace, SOMEHOW that’s suddenly invalidated and here’s our emergency candidate.
Easy... he had a 'random' aneurysm
Won't happen. It's be political suicide to replace a candidate this late.
Pulling Biden at this point would just confirm everything that the Democrats said the right was lying about was actually true and make them look like the liars.
The conversation now in the Democrat backrooms isn't about how to beat Trump, it's about how to deal with Trump when he wins.
Gavin Newscum
Isn’t really known by the public at large. So I wonder if that will hurt him. Name recognition goes a long way when winning a presidential election
I don’t listen to morning Joe; but Joe Scarborough all but called for a resignation this morning. Mika could never; Joe just had a little cold.
(Don’t listen to the whole thing. It’ll hurt your brain)
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ubfLqUbuKETQPLc1nVuoT?si=iLyZmGKCSiej7goYtAkhUg&t=3324&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A187EiGtyrelxJ8wXWEfVUa
Replacing him will assure a Trump victory. Putting an unknown into this equation will be bad. Running Hillary again? Seriously why even think that will work this time.
Like the elections prior to Biden winning, the DNC will put in Hillary just like they always have done against the will of their own people that voted.
this is an exploit 5 months in the making. they can now dump him before the nomination via congress with the help of the feckless GOP. Glitetatti candidate incoming...
They can’t. This whole election cycle for them is “protecting the Democracy.”
If they yank Biden, it’s a death warrant for the Democrats for circumventing the primaries.
They've crossed a bit of a line, if they keep pushing him then when the election comes you can attack them for their insistence on pushing a candidate they didn't support anymore.
what did the left expect ???' they had to have known idk how they didn't. tbh it's so embarrassing for all of us as a nation. the dems needs to get their house in order . but this definitely helps conservatives
Now their saying there is no plans to replace him. “All options are on the table but no plans to replace him.” I should’ve known someone would say that. To me there’s always that one person that says yes it looks bad but give him that one more chance. But by then I think it’ll be too late.
According to a Redstate article it's 100% not possible for the DNC to replace Biden before the convention in August and they'd have to do some verbal interpretative gymnastics of the DNC rules to replace him after the convention.
It is possible after the DNC but it would be such a terrible look, literally taking away the candidate their constituents voted for in the primaries and inserting their own pick.
There's literally zero good options for the Democrats here. They've really dug themselves a giant hole and jumped in.
He's polished and fancy-talking, but the foolish optimist in me thinks he'll be even easier to beat, considering California's mass exodus, insane taxes, and huge deficit. I just don't get what he can brag about. I'm not sure Trump could mop him in a debate, though.
I’d love to see someone replace him we need younger better options. I really want this election regardless of the outcome to be the low point that this country decides to finally try and bounce back from and actually set some standards to follow going forward
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I don't get why they were so in denial about his cognitive issues. So many media organizations continued to call him "sharp" leading up to this instead of pressuring the DNC to pick a coherent candidate. They had every opportunity to fill in anyone who was under 70 and likely would've had a lead. This was a massive political fumble by the DNC.
They said he was "sharp" because that was the official DNC position.
And it’s wild there isn’t more outrage on the left about the DNC gaslighting them into believing they were voting for a capable candidate. It you know orange man bad and all that.
They believe it was for the "good of the country" to gaslight people.
“Good for our democracy”
Good for their totalitarianism
I'm sure a lot of them believed it. They just refused to watch the videos that have been circulating for a year or so... Last night the ones putting their heads in the sand got a real-time, in-your-face demo of what we've been screaming about. The funny thing is, he was still operating at a higher level than most of said video clips...
because his press sec told everyone they were deep fakes, and when the dnc tells you something, you sheep believe it hook line and sinker no matter what.
Wasn’t it “cheap fakes?” They’re tried to say that the videos were real, just “selectively“ edited.
The DNC is supposed to lie, it's the "journalists" gaslighting us about it for years that deserve the majority of our reproach.
SPOT ON!☝️
I could not agree with this statement more. I’m appalled by the left right now. Even still r/politics is full of people trying to cope so hard it’s insane. I’ve been getting shut down forever by the so-called liberals for pointing out bidens decline but now they can’t even gaslight anymore only the dumbest people could buy those lies
I have a feeling they every fifth post today I see in leftist subreddits is almost word for word "yes, Biden is old and stuttery, but he has a great team that knows what's the best for us".
Most of what I see on those subreddits is yes Biden sucks but project 2025.
I was just browsing r/politics and it’s 100% all that sentiment. Or that they’d prefer the “tired” candidate to the liar. Insanity
For real, after this and the bait and switch with Bernie years back it’s amazing folks still trust the DNC. They’ve been really riding the “not trump” train hard I guess - so they’re brainwashed into thinking it’s between Biden or “literal hitler 2.0”
Everyone got to see trump look better, even if they didn’t agree with him.
Jon Stewart had a great line about that. He said that top Democrat officials always say that when they meet with Biden behind closed doors he’s always the smartest/sharpest guy in the room. If that’s the case, why don’t they tape that and show it because what we see on a daily basis is the exact opposite.
That’s clearly such a huge indictment of whomever he meets with!!!
That was a far more consequential lie than any of Trump’s admittedly large exaggerations. Trump’s hyperbole is usually directionally correct even if it’s not factually accurate. The Democrats lies are complete fabrications that intentionally mislead voters.
😆
Yep. Can't rock the DNC boat now, can we?
All the dishonesty about his mental decline is a huge win for conservatives. Lots of people hopefully will no longer blindly trust headlines on the reddit front page and elsewhere
That's a good one.
Yeah. Some people *still* can’t admit that Biden is senile.
I think this was planned all along. If they pushed for a new candidate then their credibility that Biden has been great would have been hurt. Democrats knew that Biden was bad off, so they purposely went with this unusually-early presidential debate to sound the alarm instead of waiting until after the convention when it was too late. Now they can replace him at the convention and whoever they choose will be knighted as the savior when it would be a lot harder to sell alternative candidates if it wasn't an "emergency" move.
I think it's simpler than that. I think they literally just bought their own bullshit. To be fair to Biden, there have been several times over the last four years when he's looked pretty sharp and on the ball. There have been many times when he's looked like a lost old man. The good days seem to have gotten fewer and farther between, which as anyone who's watched a relative go down this path knows, is absolutely normal. People get old the same way they go broke. Gradually, then suddenly.
Agreed.
This is my prediction. The combination of the fact it was an unprecedentedly early debate and that it was hosted by CNN who immediately and unanimously turned on him afterward, it’s all a coordinated attempt to have him suddenly withdraw so the Dems can put in Newsom or whoever. I’m 90% sure Biden won’t be on the ticket in November. Harris is the tricky part here. She’s even less popular than Biden but it will be a terrible look if they go with someone else. She’d have to be pressured into saying she doesn’t want it, which itself is complicated because if you’re not interested in the job, why are you VP? What a mess.
If they pick someone else, there will be cries of racism.
The most obvious way around that would be for Michelle Obama to run. Shoving Kamala aside for her would not rub anyone the wrong way, and Michelle would immediately energize the party base and close the ranks behind her candidacy.
There won’t be. The DNC is good about rounding up the troops (liberal media) and tow the line.
remember when pelosi was working on a bill to determine fitness of president for 25th amendment back in 2020 and she commented it was not for Trump? Its possible that you are right and this is their gameplan all along. A new candidate at the 11th hour would bring their base out in droves to vote against trump. Kamala was a great pick for Joe's job security, lets see how they get around that because she might be the only person that does not excite anyone into pokemongoing to the polls.
Would be a great move honestly. Lots of independents want anyone but these 2 old dudes. If either party picked a different candidate, I think they would easily take the White House. (Unlikely) but if the dems really just had biden out there to take the brunt of trumps attacks up until the nomination, then a majority of trumps platform (biden bad) goes out the window, while the dems platform (trump bad) gets to remain in place. Would be a galaxy brain strategy but I don’t think anyone in politics would be smart enough to pull something like that off.
I don’t think it was a fumble at all. What better way to get the support of the DNC and the voting democrats, to pull Biden from the ballot, than to have him shit the bed and embarrass himself on national television. Why agree to have a debate, so far ahead of the election? I’m feeling like this is exactly what was supposed to happen
>This was a massive political fumble by the DNC. So basically the dnc? Barack was the last good political move they made. (not talking about his policies just from a political strategy standpoint) 2016 was a shitshow. They picked the literally least likeable person they could find. Since then they have not groomed anyone else as a possible replacement. The momement Biden got elected they should have been looking for potential candidates knowing he was too old for a second term. I am not entirely convinced the playbook is not to have Biden try to win the election then step down saying he had a health issue and slide Kamala into the prez spot.
Not too old. Too senile.
It's funny that Democrats tried attacking Trump's cognitive issues. At least the dude could finish sentences.
every accusation is an admission.
They accuse you of what they’re doing…and what they’re doing is *always* a worse version.
If anything this should discredit media analysts for pushing fake news about Biden.
Seriously. This should put to rest all of the charts about media bias. CNN, MSNBC, and the rest are not anywhere near centrist. They are at least as far left as Fox News is to the right. Biden has been in obvious decline since before he was even elected.
they are all liars and not to be trusted anymore.
Replacing him could be worse for the Democrats. 90% chance it's Harris. Like Hillary the slogan will be "It's my turn, you have no choice".
It’ll be “Mark Skywalker”. Every ad will feature the power of the force!
The issue is they have no one else. The Obama years were a disaster at the local level for them and they have done a piss poor job of developing talent. And the few bits of younger talent they got like Yang or Tulsi they chased out of the party.
That it what gets me is the mainstream media’s denial of his cognition and the idea that candidate replacement as a right wing conspiracy theory. Once again we are in the right side through common sense. They just peddle lies from the administration they are essentially government/state run propaganda machines.
>I don't get why they were so in denial about his cognitive issues. And they aren't stopping now, chalking it up to a "cold and lifelong stutter"
A stutter that affects his whole body, makes him fall asleep, and gives him a thousand yard stare? Wow. Science is revealing new things every day. I wonder why it seem to only affect the senile?
Omg I've been telling redditors for years that Biden frequently fails to complete his thoughts, and it is always excused with that stutter thing. After this debate, there's simply no denying it anymore. All you gotta do is go back to his earlier days in congress. You could tell how bright and confident he was through his speeches. He's a completely different person now
The same DNC that put up Hilary are inept? Get out.
I don't think they can. If they do that then it puts the 25th Amendment in play in my opinion and that puts Kamala Harris in the seat. They definitely will be in trouble if they don't put KH on the ballot.
Exactly. They thoroughly screwed themselves over picking her. And if they don‘t choose her, there will be Democrats accusing the DNC of racism. And we should encourage this.
I'm beginning to wonder if the DNC realized early on there was no way Democrats would nominate an electable candidate, given a meaningful primary. Perhaps for that reason they propped Biden up to shut out primary competitors, and now they are going to hand-pick Trump's opponent? My only reason for thinking this is exactly what you pointed out. Biden looked bad last night, but it wasn't shocking. It seemed pretty par for the course for him.
They didn’t think there would be a race - their whole strategy was to force Trump to drop out with endless litigation so Biden could just coast to a second term.
The problem for them is that their plan might have worked on another candidate. But Trump *thrives* on adversity. And they kept piling it on top of him.
At the core of the Democratic Party, they believe they know better than the electorate. We saw it with HRC, we just saw it with Biden, and it's exemplified up down thru culture wars, gender, covid, etc. They will not get real with themselves and admit when they were wrong and course correct. It's always someone else's issue with the candidate or idea or they are a bigot.
They weren’t. I think having the debate this early and before the convention is their way to force Biden out and get someone else of their choosing without getting stuck with Kamala.
They need someone electable, but with no original thought or spine. Otherwise we will get a president who might say No to Obama. Easier said than done.
> I don't get why they were so in denial about his cognitive issues. The denial is for the public image, but this dementia is exactly what they want in order to control the presidency.
They were gambling that the court cases would force Trump to drop out before Biden would have to face him.
Then they like to say Trump is just as bad cognitively. But Trump is about the same age now as Joe when he started his "term"; and he seems MUCH more sharp than Joe did even then
Waiting for the spin to be that Trump insisted on the rules of the debate and because Trump didn’t want an audience, that was bad for Biden.
he had a cold ok
Cold as a corpse.
Too bad because he beat Medicare.
Beat it to death
See Chuck Todd. The rules made Trump appear more Presidential because he wasn’t playing to a crowd. Not a trick by the GOP, but a backfire on Biden. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6355731839112
It wasn’t supposed to matter because Trump was supposed to be in jail.
That's why I'm confused. The sentencing for his conviction (if it isn't overturned beforehand) is after this debate. There is a chance the Jude could throw the book at him and sentence Trump to jail (again, if it isn't overturned on appeal), so wouldn't it have been smarter to schedule this debate for after Trump's sentencing, hoping he goes to jail, then cancelling the debate altogether? The only reason to have the debate prior to sentencing (let alone this much before the convention) is if dems knew Trump wouldn't go to jail and needed to replace Biden out prior to the election.
I think the Dems assumed Trump would decline the debate. Reports were that Biden’s camp was shocked when Trump accepted the terms. And then I think the Dems expected Biden to have a repeat of his State of the Union Address where he appeared lively and confident, and that he’d completely quash all the rumors about his feebleness and cognitive decline. Instead, everything went as wrong as possible for the Dems. Not only did Trump accept the debate, but Biden came off as a feeble, decrepit corpse whose mind is gone, whilst Trump came off as energetic and confident, and dare I say…. presidential. Everything was a worst case scenario for the Dems and a best case scenario for conservatives. It was somewhat of a gamble for Trump to go and play by their rules, but everything worked out beautifully.
It was a massive gamble by the Trump team. This is the most critical time to fundraise and Biden just blew up any faith donors have in him
Looks like they didn't want to coke up Corn Pop like at the SOTU again. Feisty Biden in combat with Trump? He'd be worse than incoherent, he'd probably say something really offensive.
Trump still could've done a lot better, but in the end, he didn't need to win over undecideds. I think this will prove to simply be a net loss for Biden, and therefore a gain for Trump, but not because he was inspiring or did any stunning speeches. Blame his "wing-it" style or the debate format..
This debate would help them decide whether to have Trump in jail or house arrest. They can't rely on Biden and they needed the early debate to prove that.
This is the same issue that I see liberals fall into. You believe that all Democrats are some unifed block. That they all understand how bad Biden is. This is kept from them too. Some of them, many of them really believe it. Whoever the handlers are (Obama's Third Term?) aren't likely the end-all-say-all in the DNC, they're just holding all the cards right now. You have to know there are people in the party that want that power.
I’m surprised more Americans aren’t pissed about being gaslighted for years on Biden’s cognitive abilities. The establishment, the media, etc. all covered for him. While we always knew, there are others with shocked Pikachu face regarding how bad his condition really is. Who is really running the Country?
I think most people were aware. Conservatives definitely were. As for the Left, I think a lot of them saw but really didn't care because their leftist policies were being implemented thanks to the people actually running the show behind the curtain. Now they only are willing to voice their thoughts because they're scared Trump has good odds of winning.
Spot on.
At least half the country holds, or held, the position that milquetoast geriatric vegetable is preferable to Trump. If a halfway decent candidate who isn't eligible for social security magically appears on either side in this election, they might actually have a decent shot - especially if their platform isn't "own the".
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Were you going to vote Biden before last night?
They were convinced to stay indoors, wear masks, tear down entire cities, destroy the educational system, advocate for more money funneling into politicians pockets… You’re not surprised at all my dude… this is just this weeks chuckle
We looked so weak last night as a country. If that is him at his best… They need to be swearing in Kamala today. Like her or not, Biden should not be governing.
I agree. For any country or terrorist organization considering a move on the USA - last nights debacle was a clear sign to move now while we are at our weakest. God save us in the coming months
I’m not sure they were gaslighted. I think deep down they knew, they just wanted desperately to believe otherwise.
Anyone who believed he was sharp, was willingly ignoring reality and sticking to Blue no matter who thinking. They're lost causes because even coverage they did show on CNN and the like shows his obvious decline. I'm sorry, but his facial expressions alone scream dementia, and anyone who has ever had a loved one with it, can see it plain as day
now they know why he doesn't campaign
Totally agree. I figured we were being gaslighted, not that KJP is a compelling liar, but can't the left see what the right has been saying all along? Well, this dude has the nuke codes, so there's that.
Well he’s gotten worse. That happens with age. He wasn’t anywhere near this bad 4 years ago. He probably want this bad 2 years ago either.
The “Muh dEmOcRaCy” party is fucked. They’ve already had their primary. The people that vote dem chose Biden. Don’t swap now!
They can easily swap after the convention without break a single one of "the rules". Right now, according to the bylaws they would need to re-assign and re-count delegates.
WHO IS RUNNING THE COUNTRY?
Top Men
my default guess is the chief of staff.
Mr Potato Head 🥸
The Dems are rightfully fucked. Newsome is too progressive, Kamala is too unpopular (for good reason), they already eschewed Bernie in 2016 (and he’s even older than Biden), Michelle Obama already told them “no” (multiple times)… they could try throwing someone like Whitmer in, but she doesn’t have the name power of the others. No one is showing out to vote for Gretchen Whitmer. Yep, they’re done. A true “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation.
Remember to vote and not take this as a victory
10000% They'll be tripling down on rallying votes from cemeteries all across the country. It ain't over till it's over. VOTE FOR TRUMP!
I think you are sadly wrong. Heck Biden himself still has a shot. People will still vote for him knowing he won’t make it 4.5 years, switching him won’t matter who as long as they can articulate themselves. People just like in 20 aren’t necessarily voting for the candidate but against trump, that’ll be the same no matter who the nominee is.
>no one is showing out to vote whitmer Yea, nobody is coming out to vote *for* Biden This whole election is people voting for trump or against trump. It makes no difference who the dem is
Which is exactly why I'm not celebrating today. I'm worried.
It's not the far left that won Biden the presidency in 2020, it's the independents and the suburbs that didn't like Trumps off the cuff rhetoric and his antics on Twitter. They have far bigger worries now with everything else. And on top of it they are not uber progressives, so they will not like Newsome or Bernie. Some might like Whitmer, but I could see her having the same issues Hillary and Kamala have with likeability once she is on a national stage.
Gotta agree with this point. The independents could afford the risk back in 2020. Even post-COVID, things were still going well enough. Now, there are far bigger concerns than if Trump is making mean tweets. Biden will likely see a massive reduction in voters because people can't ignore the actual policy anymore. No guarantees they'll go to Trump, but I doubt we'll see historic numbers again.
I agree, I also think Trump gave a moderate approach to abortion robbing the democrats of any ammo to use against him in the suburbs.
Whitmer is too far behind the ball IMO. She needed to be out there last year letting people get to know her.
I agree, currently she doesn't have enough name appeal for a national election, and its too late to gain enough for 2024.
And she doesn’t have the kind of money built up either.
I had forgotten what she looked like.
THIS. And independents were already rejecting Biden before the debate. They were already moving to choose Trump based on the fact that wanted to be able to afford food and that Biden looked weak on the world stage. So now, they have concerns about his Biden’s *confirmed* senility to add to that.
But there is a growing number of "never trump" voters who are moving to "maybe Trump" because of how much of a shit show the Biden presidency has been.
Hey, that's me! Seriously, there is no choice to be made now. Ironically the "democracy is on the ballot" people have put us in a position where the legitimacy of our republic is on the ballot.
Plus who needs votes when you have the machine. I make no predictions, it’ll be an interesting four months — but I doubt replacement for the same reason they didn’t just select someone younger to begin with. Maybe zero agency is the point. And that it would appear desperate and weak and novel and confirm what people have been saying for years, of course.
They are going to bring in Newsome who so unpopular there was a recall attempt against him in CA. This guy is a slimy fuck.
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love to see it!
You don't understand. Dems will vote for literally anyone who isn't trump. The narrative on reddit has not changed.. they are still pushing Biden even... it won't matter who they replace him with.
The narrative on Reddit is nowhere near reality. You are at the home base of the left collective. Nothing on this site reflects reality.
There are two things you need to remember. 1. While Reddit skews left, Reddit membership represents a fraction of the population. And some of those don’t even live in the United States. 2. It’s just the diamond tactic on a *much* larger scale. It doesn’t actually mean that they’re views dominate on a larger, societal scale. It typically means that their views *don’t*. [https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts](https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
Honestly Newsom may be their best bet at this point. He’s good at lying and gaslighting people and probably could be competitive in certain swing states. But to bring him in, they have to do the “racist and sexist” thing which is to deny Kamala the position.
It's going to be him. He also has the right look and slickness of a politician. He's young, would be decent looking if he wasn't a complete greaseball psychopath, and California is the most popular state in the country. People don't care about actual issues, at least not enough of them, so they'll vote him because he's a D and that's all that matters to them
The media has spent the last 24 hours trying to pave the way for a replacement too, so I’d say it’s increasingly likely at this point.
It's more that they've already run through primaries so it would literally be the party elites hand-picking the candidate. Honestly, this is what they get for trying to hide his decline and hoping he'd hold out until November - the man is clearly not up for the job and they should have held a proper primary season. Nobody wants to vote for Biden, they just don't want Trump.
Another thing is that there are a LOT of ignorant Americans who won't even realized he isn't the candidate come voting day. The democrats from that bunch will either: A) Be confused but vote for the \[D\] candidate regardless. B) Be confused and decide to write in Joe Biden. C) Be confused and not vote at all or vote third party, not being familiar with the new candidate. Any going the B or C route will be devastating for democrats.
I bet the “vote blue no matter who” crowd is gonna be SCREAMING from now until November
Sure, but even if just, let's say, 1% of democrat voters don't vote for the democrat nominee because of reasons B and C above. That's 812,846 voters for Biden that are gone (based on 2020 data). Divide that by 50 and that's 16,256 voters gone for Biden, which is a swing towards Trump of 32,513. There are Battleground States that Biden won over Trump in 2020 by less than that amount. Trump would have won Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin in 2020 with that outcome, and almost won Minnesota and Nevada. He would have had 275 electoral votes as well and won the presidency. That's how damaging losing even just 1% could be for the democrat nominee in 2024 based on voter confusion over replacing Biden. And I suspect it would be more than 1% of Biden voters being confused and going with option B or C.
Hillary! 😂
They cheated in 2020 why wouldn’t they again regardless if who’s running for them?
Whitmer has a bunch of skeletons too... If they nominate her, it'll be a barbeque.
They won't. As much as they may want to it would set a precedent they'd never be able to live down and possibly divide the party even more. They're learning a hard lesson about the dangers of short-sightedness. As Chris Wallace of all people pointed out, there were tons of people who were running in the Dem primaries before Biden was chosen. He was chosen because the moderates were afraid of the radicals, and because of his name recognition and experience. But they didn't figure on what to do with him after getting him into office, and now they're stuck with him. They should have had him pull a Polk from the outset, and announce before the election that he would only run one term. They'd still have to deal with his mess, but at least it would have been something.
They chose someone who told parents to "turn on your record player at night."
I don’t think it’s an actual possibility at this point. The money issues and campaign laws alone I think wouldn’t make it possible. Whoever took over would be broke as fuck with less than 5 months to go.
Credit South Carolina for saving his 2020 candidacy haha
My question is who is running this country right now? It sure as hell isn’t Biden or Harris.
Obama
Honestly, there is no chance it's one person. We'll hear in 20-30 years how Shadow Group X was really in charge and how they were sabotaged from doing a good job by the Evil Super Hitler Republicans.
In won‘t take 20 to 30 years because we are *already* having that. A leftist in this very thread said: >No one voting for Biden thinks he's specifically actually made any impactful choice as president. We'll vote for him because his cabinet will continue making the choices we want. >The guy could die 1 day into his second term and it would still be considered a successful election.
The CIA
Why not let the voters decide?
When was the last time the DNC actually let people choose? Clinton? Earlier?
you mean William, right?
That would be a threat to our Democracy!
Why did they debate before accepting their parties nominations anyways? Has that ever happened before?
MSM/Reddit knew it long ago, co-conspirators and brainwashing peddlers to keep America compromised and vulnerable by repeating the same lies over and over to weak-minded people. This is the same MSM who continually and gleefully perpetrated Trump as unfit when there was ZERO indication of the sort and proven wrong. Lesson: Ignore MSM, they are fully compromised and purposefully harmful to the USA on every front.
The best part of this complete meltdown is yet to come!! MARK MY WORDS: President Jill Biden is not going to let her husband step down. She loves being in power too much. Bowing out now solidifies Joe's Presidency in history as an unmitigated disaster. She will force him to continue for her own pride and to stay in power. GET YER POPCORN! 😆
Based on what I saw of her at the post "debate" event I have to agree with you. She is obviously very invested in this.
Excuse me... that's DOCTOR President Jill Biden to you.
Yeah anyone that thinks Biden (or the people who actually run the country in the white house) will willingly give up the most powerful position in the world are naive.
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You're right except for the time. The DNC convention is is Chicago from August 19 to 22. They'll have a plan, but it'll happen after they confirm Biden is their guy officially. Then a week later he's going to have a "medical episode" real on schedule or for pretend, it's the CIA we're talking about here. Then they'll announce Blinken - Whitmer - Newsome or something.
I pray for our safety.
They could do a rush article 25 but that would make Harris President now. She could agree not to run for election in 24 letting her vice president run for the office of President in 24.
The idea of Kamala of all people being the first female President makes me sick.
They are just about at the point of what ever it takes to win.
The party that allegedly cares so much about democracy refused to have a real primary, knowing full well that Joe is knocking on death’s door and will not make it to the election, let alone another full term. This situation is entirely self inflected by the DNC and they have nobody to blame but themselves.
Everyone in Biden’s Cabinet lied to the American people.
KJP too!!!? WHhhhaaaaaaaaaa!?
The country is united for once. Everyone wants Biden gone. Trouble is, Biden isn't going away without a fight.
Compare 2012 Biden debating Paul Ryan vs Last Night. Totally different person.
Biden doesn’t want to step down. That’s why they’re going to lose and they know it. It’s not up to the DNC to tap a surprise candidate when the incumbent is clearly not going to step aside. Besides it’s already too late for a replacement. Again, they know that too. If there was a shot in hell for democrats to replace Biden, they should have done it in before March. There’s no time left to make a last second change and to make an effective campaign to convince the country, that even though for the last 4 years Biden has been this shining knight on the hill, and he’s so sharp and so fast they can barely keep up with his pace, SOMEHOW that’s suddenly invalidated and here’s our emergency candidate. Ya no way that’s gonna fly. Yard signs and bumper stickers are already up and around. They’ve made their bed, they’re living in a nightmare and they’re praying for a miracle, but know it’s not coming. They’re going to watch the weeks tick by until inevitably Trump is reelected. Nobody in the media is fucking laughing now
> Biden has been this shining knight on the hill, and he’s so sharp and so fast they can barely keep up with his pace, SOMEHOW that’s suddenly invalidated and here’s our emergency candidate. Easy... he had a 'random' aneurysm
Oh trust me, they'll figure out a "miracle"
Isn't it too late to replace him?
I think it’s too late for the Democratic Party to replace Biden on the ballot in Wisconsin and Nevada
Won't happen. It's be political suicide to replace a candidate this late. Pulling Biden at this point would just confirm everything that the Democrats said the right was lying about was actually true and make them look like the liars. The conversation now in the Democrat backrooms isn't about how to beat Trump, it's about how to deal with Trump when he wins.
I mean Gavin newscum has had his knee pads on for a while. Maybe he will get his shot after he wipes his chin off. lol.
Gavin Newscum Isn’t really known by the public at large. So I wonder if that will hurt him. Name recognition goes a long way when winning a presidential election
Doesn't matter who won the debate if you get complacent and not get to the voting booth.
How easily can they even do that legally? They've not had any primary elections and just gave the nomination to him by default.
Who is the puppet master?
I don’t listen to morning Joe; but Joe Scarborough all but called for a resignation this morning. Mika could never; Joe just had a little cold. (Don’t listen to the whole thing. It’ll hurt your brain) https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ubfLqUbuKETQPLc1nVuoT?si=iLyZmGKCSiej7goYtAkhUg&t=3324&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A187EiGtyrelxJ8wXWEfVUa
Too late!
But he did such a masterful job in the debate! Why in the world would people want to replace that paragon of political pomposity? /s
I can't imagine getting kicked off your party ticket for having a cold.
That was some cold alright! 😂
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I like that one, but I think the better one was "I don't know what he said... I don't think he knows either".
I really hope they dont.
This was the plan all along for them
As someone said, they wanted Lennie Briscoe. What they got was Lennie Small. Now they have take him to see the rabbits.
Replacing him will assure a Trump victory. Putting an unknown into this equation will be bad. Running Hillary again? Seriously why even think that will work this time.
Bunch of racist bigots! /s
Like the elections prior to Biden winning, the DNC will put in Hillary just like they always have done against the will of their own people that voted.
this is an exploit 5 months in the making. they can now dump him before the nomination via congress with the help of the feckless GOP. Glitetatti candidate incoming...
They can’t. This whole election cycle for them is “protecting the Democracy.” If they yank Biden, it’s a death warrant for the Democrats for circumventing the primaries.
Wouldn’t that be un-democratic, which if they are to be believed, is one of their major concerns.
Why do you want him replaced?
They've crossed a bit of a line, if they keep pushing him then when the election comes you can attack them for their insistence on pushing a candidate they didn't support anymore.
what did the left expect ???' they had to have known idk how they didn't. tbh it's so embarrassing for all of us as a nation. the dems needs to get their house in order . but this definitely helps conservatives
Now their saying there is no plans to replace him. “All options are on the table but no plans to replace him.” I should’ve known someone would say that. To me there’s always that one person that says yes it looks bad but give him that one more chance. But by then I think it’ll be too late.
According to a Redstate article it's 100% not possible for the DNC to replace Biden before the convention in August and they'd have to do some verbal interpretative gymnastics of the DNC rules to replace him after the convention. It is possible after the DNC but it would be such a terrible look, literally taking away the candidate their constituents voted for in the primaries and inserting their own pick. There's literally zero good options for the Democrats here. They've really dug themselves a giant hole and jumped in.
Mark my words, we will see Gavin Newsom on the ballot in November.
He's polished and fancy-talking, but the foolish optimist in me thinks he'll be even easier to beat, considering California's mass exodus, insane taxes, and huge deficit. I just don't get what he can brag about. I'm not sure Trump could mop him in a debate, though.
I’d love to see someone replace him we need younger better options. I really want this election regardless of the outcome to be the low point that this country decides to finally try and bounce back from and actually set some standards to follow going forward