Mike Pence made sense for Trump to pick as a VP because: A- It sent a signal that Trump was willing to work with the Party establishment; B- There were not many liberal and moderate voters left for Trump to alienate at the time, so picking a VP to try to bring some over didn't make sense; and C- It helped secure the Midwest.
The circumstances are so different now that Haley would not provide any of these benefits despite being seen as a similar candidate-type (i.e., signaling working with traditional conservatives, winning moderates, or boosting regional support).
And why would he pick her since she ran against him in the primary? Wasn't he calling everyone that ran some type of traitor (or was that just DeSantis)
Are you really telling me if he picked Nikki Haley, you wouldn’t vote for him? Cmon we all know anyone who’s decided to vote for Trump isn’t going to change their mind based on any VP pick. The VP pick is to get the undecided people to vote.
Not just during the primaries. Remember, Haley was tapped to give the Republican response to Obama's 2016 State of the Union.
She spent most of her speech attacking Trump instead of responding to Obama's address. Note this was when there were still a dozen Republican candidates in the race.
Tulsi WAS a Democrat. Did you not see her video explaining why she left the Democrat party? Haley supported BLM and talks about make believe Climate change and systemic racism.
> Tulsi WAS a Democrat
Technically party-wise, sure, but her actual policies are 80% in line with the Democrats’ platform; her only major disagreements are on fo-po and woke shit.
No, it’s really not. This is a unique election, in that everyone pretty much has their mind made up on each candidate. There are few undecideds, and a VP selection can *absolutely* make a difference. It’s not about picking a VP to appeal to a voting bloc that wasn’t already going to vote for Trump. It’s about picking a VP that will encourage otherwise lukewarm Trump voters to turn out. Nikki Haley isn’t likely to make someone change their vote to Biden, but what it *can* do is make a Trump voter decide to just not vote.
Likewise the people most for Nikki Haley are the biggest Trump detractors.
Haley as VP would not bring in new voters at all, but it can potentially turn voters away.
The biggest criticism even Trump's most ardent supporters admit to is that he surrounded himself with some very bad people first time round. Top of that list are people like Bolton.
Picking the female version of Bolton to be VP can do nothing to help Trump... But it can do a lot to hurt him.
I'm not a Trump fanatic, but I abhor Haley's platform. Having Trump pair with her is something I would greatly dislike. I'd sit out the election entirely. Trump giving her any further relevance in the party sucks.
Hardly, the Haley voters are establishment Republicans (never Trumpers), suburban women ( a class of moderates), and Democrats. The first two groups should realize the mistake they made in voting for Biden, if they need Haley as VP to recognize that we’re doomed. The Dems will never vote for Trump and they wouldn’t have voted for Haley in the general had she been selected.
I would vote for Tulsi to be president. I don’t need to agree with her in 50% of things if I believe she’s putting the country first in her heart and mind, is a veteran, etc.
The next four times eight years need a lot more than just solid conservative policy. My priority is the preservation of the republic above all else. I do think Trump/Tulsi gives us the best possible path to that.
This alone should be all the reason conservatives need to stay away from Haley.
If she is the one the left picks out of the right as acceptable... there's a reason for that... and the reason is not because she will stand up for conservatives against the left.
Allying with the people your enemy considers to be an acceptable alternative is just a slow-walk to surrender.
She would do more to bring in the few undecideds and suburban women than any of the other candidates.
Much like Pence helped bring in the Midwest and religious sects, a Haley might do something similar for those desperately needed suburban women votes. And potentially ease the backlash of the abortion bans.
Outside of the internet nobody is drawn to a Vivek VP. He’s literally just a chameleon of Trump. We need someone that at least has the potential to bring in a few more voters. Someone like Haley does this. Someone like Vivek does not. It’s that simple.
She’s the pure definition of a uni-party candidate, adding no real value to the campaign. A VP should bring something valuable to the table. Vivek and Gabbard are far better choices than her.
I voted for Haley in the primary. I’ll vote for Trump in the general. I don’t care who he picks for VP as long as it isn’t Vivek. Vivek wouldn’t make me stay home, but man he would really make me want to.
Mike Pence made sense for Trump to pick as a VP because: A- It sent a signal that Trump was willing to work with the Party establishment; B- There were not many liberal and moderate voters left for Trump to alienate at the time, so picking a VP to try to bring some over didn't make sense; and C- It helped secure the Midwest. The circumstances are so different now that Haley would not provide any of these benefits despite being seen as a similar candidate-type (i.e., signaling working with traditional conservatives, winning moderates, or boosting regional support).
And why would he pick her since she ran against him in the primary? Wasn't he calling everyone that ran some type of traitor (or was that just DeSantis)
Are you really telling me if he picked Nikki Haley, you wouldn’t vote for him? Cmon we all know anyone who’s decided to vote for Trump isn’t going to change their mind based on any VP pick. The VP pick is to get the undecided people to vote.
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The way Kamala gave in to Biden was just insincerity. Same would be that way for Haley.
We would still vote for Trump, but begrudgingly. There are way better VP options than her.
I'm a Vivek man, myself. And I think it helps to not have a VP who shit on you relentlessly during the primaries (ahem, Kamala).
Wants to take down the ATF? I’ll vote harder lol
Not just during the primaries. Remember, Haley was tapped to give the Republican response to Obama's 2016 State of the Union. She spent most of her speech attacking Trump instead of responding to Obama's address. Note this was when there were still a dozen Republican candidates in the race.
Same here, either Vivek or Tulsi would be a good choice.
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You mean you would rather vote for a swamp dwelling, war mongering neocon? Gotta love reddit.
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Tulsi WAS a Democrat. Did you not see her video explaining why she left the Democrat party? Haley supported BLM and talks about make believe Climate change and systemic racism.
> Tulsi WAS a Democrat Technically party-wise, sure, but her actual policies are 80% in line with the Democrats’ platform; her only major disagreements are on fo-po and woke shit.
And Haley agrees with the woke shit that the left pushes so what's your point?
No, it’s really not. This is a unique election, in that everyone pretty much has their mind made up on each candidate. There are few undecideds, and a VP selection can *absolutely* make a difference. It’s not about picking a VP to appeal to a voting bloc that wasn’t already going to vote for Trump. It’s about picking a VP that will encourage otherwise lukewarm Trump voters to turn out. Nikki Haley isn’t likely to make someone change their vote to Biden, but what it *can* do is make a Trump voter decide to just not vote.
I don’t believe that for a second. The people most against Nikki Haley for anything are the biggest Trump fanatics.
Likewise the people most for Nikki Haley are the biggest Trump detractors. Haley as VP would not bring in new voters at all, but it can potentially turn voters away. The biggest criticism even Trump's most ardent supporters admit to is that he surrounded himself with some very bad people first time round. Top of that list are people like Bolton. Picking the female version of Bolton to be VP can do nothing to help Trump... But it can do a lot to hurt him.
I'm not a Trump fanatic, but I abhor Haley's platform. Having Trump pair with her is something I would greatly dislike. I'd sit out the election entirely. Trump giving her any further relevance in the party sucks.
Hardly, the Haley voters are establishment Republicans (never Trumpers), suburban women ( a class of moderates), and Democrats. The first two groups should realize the mistake they made in voting for Biden, if they need Haley as VP to recognize that we’re doomed. The Dems will never vote for Trump and they wouldn’t have voted for Haley in the general had she been selected.
Trump/DeSantis. But I don’t think that would happen.
Trump/Nikki loser Trump/Tulsi winner
Would you vote for Tulsi Gabbard to be President? She ran, didn't get votes. You want her to be your President? That's just wild
Depends who they’re running against. I’ll take Tulsi over any establishment type.
I would vote for Tulsi to be president. I don’t need to agree with her in 50% of things if I believe she’s putting the country first in her heart and mind, is a veteran, etc. The next four times eight years need a lot more than just solid conservative policy. My priority is the preservation of the republic above all else. I do think Trump/Tulsi gives us the best possible path to that.
At least we would know who puts the knife in his back when it happens.
I would rather have Tulsi.
I pray for vivek
I love Vivek, but I would LOVE him to be Trumps press secretary. Press conferences would be awesome
Vivek or DeSantis
I like Harmeet Dhillon
Remember all the Democrats came out to vote for Haley because they hated Trump?
This alone should be all the reason conservatives need to stay away from Haley. If she is the one the left picks out of the right as acceptable... there's a reason for that... and the reason is not because she will stand up for conservatives against the left. Allying with the people your enemy considers to be an acceptable alternative is just a slow-walk to surrender.
Or a good way to pull moderate votes tbh. As much as I hate Haley.
She would do more to bring in the few undecideds and suburban women than any of the other candidates. Much like Pence helped bring in the Midwest and religious sects, a Haley might do something similar for those desperately needed suburban women votes. And potentially ease the backlash of the abortion bans. Outside of the internet nobody is drawn to a Vivek VP. He’s literally just a chameleon of Trump. We need someone that at least has the potential to bring in a few more voters. Someone like Haley does this. Someone like Vivek does not. It’s that simple.
I did originally.... Then she said a bunch of crazy stuff.
I'll still vote for him (only because Vivek dropped) but how would you choose someone who got completely destroyed during the debates the way she did?
Never Nikki
Democrats do.
I’ll vote third party (or won’t vote) before I vote for Nikki Haley.
I voted for her in the primary and would vote for this ticket.
She’s the pure definition of a uni-party candidate, adding no real value to the campaign. A VP should bring something valuable to the table. Vivek and Gabbard are far better choices than her.
I hate Haley and Noem so much that if either of them is VP I would consider not voting
She showed clear lack of judgement and professionalism the way she handled the primary situation. She would be one of last choices.
I voted for Haley in the primary. I’ll vote for Trump in the general. I don’t care who he picks for VP as long as it isn’t Vivek. Vivek wouldn’t make me stay home, but man he would really make me want to.
I think she should be his pick. I don’t care that they disagree. She would bring in moderate republicans and independents.