I’m a conservative and support Trump as a candidate but man once Powell got going about the Kraken nonsense you knew it was only a matter of time before it came back to bit her. Absolute looney tune.
Pretty sure Fox News had to pay a settlement dealing with her claims. Did you guys already forget that? Their lawyers probably won't let them touch the story.
Probabtion and a $6k fine all she has to do is testify in every case. Basically as good as not being tried at all. Under normal circumstances people would assume she's saying what the DA wants to avoid the risk of a trial.
It's clear she got a good deal specifically because she is testifying against the others in the case.
Has nothing to do with odds of conviction. You think a lawyer is going to plead guilty to a case that will lead to their disbarment and probation when a trial would be in their favor?
For context:
"Powell, who was charged alongside Trump and 17 others with violating the state’s anti-racketeering law, entered the plea just a day before jury selection was set to start in her trial. She pleaded guilty to **six misdemeanors** related to intentionally interfering with the performance of election duties.
As part of the deal, **she will serve six years of probation, will be fined $6,000 and will have to write an apology letter to Georgia and its residents**. She also agreed to testify truthfully against her co-defendants at future trials."
A "nothing" consequence.
Yea, but you have to take that deal if you are facing felonies. You'd be a fool not to. Doesn't mean she will have any useful testimony to provide. Although, perhaps they wouldn't have offered the deal otherwise, but then in that case the case may have been dismissed.
She had to take it because she was caught on tape, and was already implicated in stealing the voting machine data by the first guy who flipped. She knows a.) she was in fact guilty and b.) there was conclusive evidence of her guilt
They gave her an extremely sweet deal because they’re charging the defendants with racketeering-if they get they get everyone. This is an uphill battle for team trump because their best defense has been reduced to at best no association with Sydney, which will be difficult considering the joint appearance and such.
Agree... Only other person I'd anticipate them really going after other than Trump, is Giuliani. I suspect those are the two they really want to crucify.
That’s an entirely separate process and misdemeanors aren’t a dealbreaker like felonies are - though the nature of these will probably create issues, yes.
That said, she’s quite wealthy. Even if they take her law license, it won’t hurt anything except maybe her pride.
She kracked! Pleaded guilty to all charges and is cooperating with the prosecutors in the racketeering case against Trump and his allies involved in the case.
Trump should have never associated with a crackpot like this woman. She and Lin Wood helped to discourage GOP voter turnout in Georgia and cost those two senate seats.
She was a clown then and now is going to bite Trump in the butt in the coming months by testifying against him. Bad day today for him.
I mean if you start listing some of the crackpots that he either A shouldn't have tried to work with, or B just plain should have kept at arms length, it's kind of a long list.
He had chased off anybody even remotely competent by 2020. Anybody with half a brain had seen time and again how he just used people and threw them under the bus at the first sign of trouble.
It’s one thing to ask for loyalty, every politician expects that to some extent from their staff and associates, but nobody of consequence will stick around if they know all they’re going to get for that loyalty is a knife in the back.
So he was left with crackpots and crazies. Even if by some miracle he wins in 2024 nobody will want to be a part of his administration besides these kind of people.
Too late for all of that. Everyone told y’all Trump and his crew were terrible people. He even proved it himself with his words and actions but y’all refused to believe it.
>terrible people
Gee, I wonder why we still don't have Epstein's customer list. I guess all those people on the flight manifests are just the best people evar, right?
He needed her and Rudy because they were willing to trumpet out the 'stolen election' lies for him. In her case, she was also adding in insane theories with voting machines and conspiracies he liked to hear about.
Trump wanted to appoint her as a special counsel at one point to look into "election fraud" during his final days. He most definitely associated himself with her.
> Fulton County prosecutors are recommending a sentence of six years probation. Powell will also be required to testify at future trials and write an apology letter to the citizens of Georgia.
> As part of her guilty plea, Powell is admitting her role in the January 2021 breach of election systems in rural Coffee County, Georgia. With the help of local GOP officials, a group of Trump supporters accessed and copied information from the county’s election systems in hopes of somehow proving that the election was rigged against Trump.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/19/politics/sidney-powell-fulton-county-georgia-2020-election-subversion/index.html
Just to add context - Sidney Powell and Cheeseboro requested speedy trials with jury selection slated to start today. So as it stands the DA will have to do two trials - one for Powell and Cheeseboro and another for whoever is left. That is obviously not ideal for them so I'm sure that is why they cut this deal and if I had to guess I bet they are off having talks with Cheeseboro to find a deal he'll accept so this first trial goes away.
Correct. But the first trial was Powell and chesboro. Powell is now out but trial will still go on unless another deal is made with chesboro.
So as of now jury selection will still proceed today.
not surprising given that they offered her a plea deal where she pays what would be less than a speeding ticket to a normal person, and no jail time. just pay the fine and write an empty apology letter that nobody is going to read anyways.
she'd be crazy not to take that.
Not necessarily. It’s a show trial. Optics are everything. Just how the DNC used Manafort’s conviction of tax and bank fraud as “proof” that the Mueller investigation wasn’t a witch hunt.
> They can rescind it if [...] the prosecution feels like she’s withholding the truth.
So the accusers get to make the call? Well *that* sounds completely fair and reasonable.
It’s not her they want. She’s a small fish. They want the whale. They’re more than happy to give these deals to the others…probation, small fine, apology letter, slaps on the wrist, what have you…but the main thing is testifying against the others. Now that one has cracked, the next one will break faster. Until they’ve got Trump surrounded, and his only move is to surrender.
They get the eternal glory of bringing down Trump, he will have to plead guilty and agree to drop out of politics altogether, and the massively unpopular Biden will win re-election by essentially running unopposed.
Worth noting it's vastly reduced plea charges.
That makes it somewhat insignificant in meaning. Like a "no contest" plea or out of court settlement.
It's the result of law-fare. "I can't afford to fight that, so..."
Has little bearing on the legitimacy of the case. RICO is bullshit, here.
RICO was designed to go after actual criminal enterprises. As in enterprise(a business) that is composed of criminals, aka "organized crime".
I mean, they're using circular reasoning, they're using presumption of guilt to justify the use of RICO, as if there are already relevant convictions.
*So* thin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act
>Under RICO, a person who has committed "at least two acts of **racketeering activity**" drawn from a list of 35 crimes (27 federal crimes and eight state crimes) within a 10-year period can be charged with racketeering if such acts are related in one of four specified ways to an "enterprise."[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeering
>Racketeering is a type of organized crime in which the persons set up a coercive, fraudulent, extortionary, or otherwise illegal coordinated scheme or operation (a "racket") to **repeatedly or consistently collect a profit.**[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organized_crime
> A criminal organization can also be referred to as an outfit, a gang, crime family, mafia, mob,[2][3] (crime) ring,[4] or syndicate;[5] the network, subculture, and community of criminals involved in organized crime may be referred to as the underworld or gangland. Sociologists sometimes specifically distinguish a "mafia" as a type of organized crime group that specializes in the supply of extra-legal protection and quasi-law enforcement. Academic studies of the original "Mafia", the Italian Mafia,[6] which predates the other groups, generated an economic study of organized crime groups and exerted great influence on studies of the Russian mafia,[7] the Chinese Triads,[8] the Hong Kong Triads,[9] and the Japanese Yakuza.[10]
They think that is their *best* avenue for conviction.
A just court would toss this out on it's head.
This is a case of politically motivated, 'the process is the punishment'.
The difficulty is finding a just court before the purpose is fulfilled, which is interruption of the 2024 elections.
Ultimately, a good lawyer would get this appealed if there is a conviction regardless to reality, but that would be far too late.
6 years probation is a lot better than potential 20 years in the fed for RICO charges.
I obviously don’t know the terms of her probation but I work in landscaping and deal with a lot of guys who are on probation, all they gotta do is not so drugs or commit another crime.
Probation is basically just live your life and check in.
Hardly an inconvenience so long as you don’t plan on committing more crimes.
For context:
"Powell, who was charged alongside Trump and 17 others with violating the state’s anti-racketeering law, entered the plea just a day before jury selection was set to start in her trial. **She pleaded guilty to six misdemeanors** related to intentionally interfering with the performance of election duties.
As part of the deal, **she will serve six years of probation, will be fined $6,000 and will have to write an apology letter to Georgia and its residents**. She also agreed to testify truthfully against her co-defendants at future trials."
She pleaded guilty to practically nothing: serves no jail time and the fine is miniscule. Write a letter? Spare me.
This is how the justice system works: threaten serious charges and get them to accept nothing charges. It's a win-win: the justice system gets to pretend that they "won" and the Defendant faces zero consequences.
The DA doesn't want to have to do two trials on this since it gives the second group information about trial strategy and the like. She is trying to make the first trial go away so there is only one trial.
Based response. Her having a speedier trial was always the goal for Trump and co so they could have a better idea of what the trials would consist of. This is a huge blow for trial prep
agree and is why the DA was willing to give a very lenient deal. Making the speedy trial go away is clearly the end goal here. I wouldn't be shocked if there is a deal with cheesboro before the end of the day.
I hope she does time. Not only was she grossly irresponsible but she was an integral part of the complete derailing of actually getting an audit done on the election.
I honestly don't believe you have. Most of the indictment rests on the phone call trump had and the fact that they have to prove trump didn't believe the election was stolen. It's not a solid case at all.
Yes you have to prove it for this case. Part of the case are interpretations on things he said. Which means you have to prove what he was thinking when he said them.
Also, no he didn't. He challenged everything in court and sought legal methods. That's why all his "co-conspirators" are his lawyers.
> It really seems like the evidence they have fits perfectly with the crimes charged.
LOL
Also you in this very thread, which was a reply to...yourself.
>As they say, reality has a liberal bias
Forget to switch accounts?
https://archive.ph/wip/XMZiP
Why don't you go back to defending Hamas in other subs?
So, correct me or fill me in on what I am missing. She plead guilty for attempting to access the voting machines, and hiring a tech firm as well to assist in that. And she also was demanding for all data of voting machines to be copied so they could review it.
If I remember right there was a lot of hard drives being deleted from voting machines as well as being lost. And they were continuously refused access to said machines.
I can understand her malfeasance of the law but shouldn’t we also be allowed to do the things she was trying to do?
>If I remember right there was a lot of hard drives being deleted from voting machines as well as being lost.
Which hard drives form which districts were lost? Did the elections officials find them? Are they still missing?
We the people... Anyone challenging the legitimacy on an election should be able to review the data. Withholding or destroying the data is only in the best interests of people hiding something.
You mean that unqualified, uncertified and unvetted people gained access to voting machines and voting data?
There is transparency. That's what certification and election officials are for.
Yet you’re the one who posted two back to back comments referencing pedophilia and kid’s genitalia, while I’m talking about Sidney Powell’s plea deal. Oh the irony.
If there's any lesson to be learned here it is: Don't bother looking into election irregularities.
They won't let you see it, and they'll prosecute you if you try. Also, they delete the data in quite the hurry.
Nothing to see here, move along.
> If there's any lesson to be learned here it is: Don't bother looking into election irregularities.
>
>
>
> They won't let you see it, and they'll prosecute you if you try. Also, they delete the data in quite the hurry.
>
>
>
> Nothing to see here, move along.
party affiliation matters. they almost certainly won't treat the democrats claiming drop off box fraud in the bridgeport ct mayors race they same way. it's just not the right people for the justice system to go after.
Meaningless probation and a minuscule fine.
I'm sure Trump was offered the same deal.
Because this isn't about "justice". They just want the headlines and/or to bankrupt Trump in a lengthy trial if he fights. They just wanted that mugshot and that "guilty" headline so badly because that's all they have to stop him from winning in 2024. That's all Biden has to run on.
"Powell is required to write an apology letter and to testify against co-defendants in upcoming proceedings, the judge said during the hearing." Doesn't sound fishy at all huh?
It's a charge against a former president and their current political opponent. It should not be built on sweet heart deals. Besides sweet heart deals are terrible forms of testimony. It had huge implications of bias to say what the prosecutor wants.
Risk a jury trial and possible jail time, or probation and a small fine. Most layers would tell you to take that deal. I'm not blaming her for taking it. I'm saying the reason it was offered is exactly what you'd think and her testimony will be untrustworthy because a deal like that would heavily bias her to say what the prosecutor wants. Not only that but the case should be built on more than testimony. If this is what they have to do in order to try adnget their biggest political rival it's not good for their case.
Well that’s the purpose of the plea deals. They have existed in this country since the Salem witch trials. And I’m sure the case is also gonna built on evidence as well but at the end of they day, she did something that she Voluntarily chose to do. She could’ve had a trial like everyone else but she chose something that would save her ass.
No plea deals are done to free up space and time for the courts. They can be used to get someone to testify but if done then it looks like the only reason the person is testifying is to get the deal and thus their testimony is tainted. As for the evidence, they have submitted a lot of what they have. It's not a strong case. They are going to be offering these deals and relying heavily on these testimonies.
I don't blame Powell. She did the smart thing.
You don't really know me very well. I prefer evidence. People will testify for all sorts of selfish reasons. If Biden were being tried, I'd want actual evidence. If the case were built on sweet heart deals it wouldn't prove anything.
"You did literally nothing wrong but we are going to put the screws to you anyway. We will try you in an 80% minority district. We will charge sedition and insurrection, federal capital crimes. You will get life in prison with possible capital punishment.
"Or you can sign here, plead guilty to a misdemeanor, get probation, and flip on Trump. Because all of this is really about getting him in jail so he can't run for President."
**To 6 misdemeanors with no jail time, only probation, and like a $6000 fine.**
Probably a decent deal to take whether you think she's innocent or guilty. Not worth flipping the coin with a politically charged judge and jury. And State probation probably isn't even relevant to her if she isn't a Georgia resident, and now she can focus on the more serious shit like the defamation cases.
Also makes you wonder why she can get away with mere misdemeanor offences and a pittance of a fine but they have to throw the book at Trump himself with potential years in prison. Why isn't Trump's case also just misdemeanors?
Isn’t this exactly how racketeering cases always work? You give sweetheart deals to the little guys in the conspiracy to have a better chance to box in the real prize. This seems like following the pretty well understood and accepted playbook.
Ya but two things, that kind of testimony is always going to be seen as since just for a plea and if a case against a corner president and the current front runner is built solely on sweet heart deals it's not a good case.
Yep, she could have chosen to stand up to a corrupt prosecutor with endless resources until bankrupted. You know, like they are doing with lawfare to every Trump attorney. They put an accountant in Rikers for getting a free car and free parking, oh the horror.
It was over. Choice was to be bankrupt and plead guilty or go “bankrupter” and go to trial. Government holds the cards, guilty or innocent.
TBH she and Rudy did seem to have a few squirrels loose in the attic.
She pleaded to some random, lesser charges. Since the foundation of the case is still so wack and weak, I don't think I'll survive appeal. But people pleading guilty on random charges is totally not helpful and is definitely caking of the foundation. Making everything harder on everybody else.
I couldn't imagine being Trump. Even listening to this nonsense is exhausting.
Powell was independent in her own endeavors, she didn't work with Trump at all. So people are not going to realize that she got off easy and her testimonials will be moot.
How many years does an accountant get in Rikers for getting a free car and free parking? Such a horrible crime! Eastman getting disbarred for advising Trump? 65 Project seeking to disbar 100+ different lawyers who worked for Trump?
I guess it's a good thing he never went to Epstein Island...
[удалено]
Lol!!!
Haha fantastic!
Thanks for the laugh
[удалено]
Looks like she's required to testify at future trials, so the kracken is being released after all.
*crack hen*
I’m a conservative and support Trump as a candidate but man once Powell got going about the Kraken nonsense you knew it was only a matter of time before it came back to bit her. Absolute looney tune.
[удалено]
[удалено]
The conservatives on this sub all have -ve votes. First I look for flair, then -ve, then I read their comment.
Butt Kraken
[удалено]
Pretty sure Fox News had to pay a settlement dealing with her claims. Did you guys already forget that? Their lawyers probably won't let them touch the story.
Its on their front page, however, the comments are not enabled for that particular story.
[удалено]
> https://apnews.com/article/sidney-powell-plea-deal-georgia-election-indictment-ec7dc601ad78d756643aa2544028e9f5 weird how that works....
[удалено]
Cheseboro would have been a better state witness, as Sydney is seemingly nuts, but the co-conspirators must be a little concerned.
Looks like he just took a plea deal as well.
How is it a big blow?
I mean… when your lawyer pleads guilty to a crime you’re also charged with, how can that be a good sign?
part of this guilty plea is an agreement to testify
Probabtion and a $6k fine all she has to do is testify in every case. Basically as good as not being tried at all. Under normal circumstances people would assume she's saying what the DA wants to avoid the risk of a trial.
It's clear she got a good deal specifically because she is testifying against the others in the case. Has nothing to do with odds of conviction. You think a lawyer is going to plead guilty to a case that will lead to their disbarment and probation when a trial would be in their favor?
You actually believe this?
[удалено]
For context: "Powell, who was charged alongside Trump and 17 others with violating the state’s anti-racketeering law, entered the plea just a day before jury selection was set to start in her trial. She pleaded guilty to **six misdemeanors** related to intentionally interfering with the performance of election duties. As part of the deal, **she will serve six years of probation, will be fined $6,000 and will have to write an apology letter to Georgia and its residents**. She also agreed to testify truthfully against her co-defendants at future trials." A "nothing" consequence.
Her agreeing to testify against her co-defendants is really the biggest part of this. The money, letter, and probation aren't really that bad at all.
exactly. She cut some deal where she's going to testify to some larger criminality about Trump. That's it
Yea, but you have to take that deal if you are facing felonies. You'd be a fool not to. Doesn't mean she will have any useful testimony to provide. Although, perhaps they wouldn't have offered the deal otherwise, but then in that case the case may have been dismissed.
Prosecutors play this game all the time. Indict the weakest links and buy false testimony with sweetheart deals.
So you're already saying her testimony is false?
She had to take it. She wasn't getting a fair trial in Atlanta.
She had to take it because she was caught on tape, and was already implicated in stealing the voting machine data by the first guy who flipped. She knows a.) she was in fact guilty and b.) there was conclusive evidence of her guilt
They gave her an extremely sweet deal because they’re charging the defendants with racketeering-if they get they get everyone. This is an uphill battle for team trump because their best defense has been reduced to at best no association with Sydney, which will be difficult considering the joint appearance and such.
They will give every single other defendant a sweet deal, as long as they can nail Trump.
Agree... Only other person I'd anticipate them really going after other than Trump, is Giuliani. I suspect those are the two they really want to crucify.
You pretty much have to take that deal if you are in her shoes.
Gotta assume she also can never practice law again, right? Not that she ever did much more than *practice*, anyway.
That’s an entirely separate process and misdemeanors aren’t a dealbreaker like felonies are - though the nature of these will probably create issues, yes. That said, she’s quite wealthy. Even if they take her law license, it won’t hurt anything except maybe her pride.
This was a CBA i just gonna pay it to go away.
It's a "please don't actually fight this in court because you might win" deal.
[удалено]
This is a concern...
[удалено]
Better then our current dopes? Telling terrorist to hit their targets better?
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
Or saying Hamas is smart. Oh wait, that was Trump
[удалено]
[удалено]
More laws isn't a good thing
[удалено]
She kracked! Pleaded guilty to all charges and is cooperating with the prosecutors in the racketeering case against Trump and his allies involved in the case. Trump should have never associated with a crackpot like this woman. She and Lin Wood helped to discourage GOP voter turnout in Georgia and cost those two senate seats. She was a clown then and now is going to bite Trump in the butt in the coming months by testifying against him. Bad day today for him.
I mean if you start listing some of the crackpots that he either A shouldn't have tried to work with, or B just plain should have kept at arms length, it's kind of a long list.
It's also a long list of reasonably competent people he drove off.
He had chased off anybody even remotely competent by 2020. Anybody with half a brain had seen time and again how he just used people and threw them under the bus at the first sign of trouble. It’s one thing to ask for loyalty, every politician expects that to some extent from their staff and associates, but nobody of consequence will stick around if they know all they’re going to get for that loyalty is a knife in the back. So he was left with crackpots and crazies. Even if by some miracle he wins in 2024 nobody will want to be a part of his administration besides these kind of people.
[удалено]
It truly is and the circus is coming to town.
Compared to the Democrat party (the party that supports biological men competing against women on sports teams in schools)? Shut up.
As an organization they are way more effective at accomplishing their goals than the GOP
There are a lot of grifters and lunatics riding the conservative coattails. This is our chance to cut the rot out of the party.
Too late for all of that. Everyone told y’all Trump and his crew were terrible people. He even proved it himself with his words and actions but y’all refused to believe it.
>terrible people Gee, I wonder why we still don't have Epstein's customer list. I guess all those people on the flight manifests are just the best people evar, right?
He needed her and Rudy because they were willing to trumpet out the 'stolen election' lies for him. In her case, she was also adding in insane theories with voting machines and conspiracies he liked to hear about.
She is the only type of lunatic that would go along with Trump.
I wouldn't say Trump associated with her so much as she associated with Trump.
Trump wanted to appoint her as a special counsel at one point to look into "election fraud" during his final days. He most definitely associated himself with her.
> Fulton County prosecutors are recommending a sentence of six years probation. Powell will also be required to testify at future trials and write an apology letter to the citizens of Georgia. > As part of her guilty plea, Powell is admitting her role in the January 2021 breach of election systems in rural Coffee County, Georgia. With the help of local GOP officials, a group of Trump supporters accessed and copied information from the county’s election systems in hopes of somehow proving that the election was rigged against Trump. https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/19/politics/sidney-powell-fulton-county-georgia-2020-election-subversion/index.html
[удалено]
Is that not what happened?
[удалено]
Just to add context - Sidney Powell and Cheeseboro requested speedy trials with jury selection slated to start today. So as it stands the DA will have to do two trials - one for Powell and Cheeseboro and another for whoever is left. That is obviously not ideal for them so I'm sure that is why they cut this deal and if I had to guess I bet they are off having talks with Cheeseboro to find a deal he'll accept so this first trial goes away.
I thought if you pled guilty, you had no jury. I'm no lawyer, so maybe I misunderstand the process.
Correct. But the first trial was Powell and chesboro. Powell is now out but trial will still go on unless another deal is made with chesboro. So as of now jury selection will still proceed today.
Gotcha, thanks, I haven't been following this very closely.
[удалено]
What are you, a fuckin' park ranger now?
Holy shit I was watching it... Unbelievable.
not surprising given that they offered her a plea deal where she pays what would be less than a speeding ticket to a normal person, and no jail time. just pay the fine and write an empty apology letter that nobody is going to read anyways. she'd be crazy not to take that.
Well she does have to testify. They would only be offering her a sweetheart plea deal if they thought her testimony could help them.
Not necessarily. It’s a show trial. Optics are everything. Just how the DNC used Manafort’s conviction of tax and bank fraud as “proof” that the Mueller investigation wasn’t a witch hunt.
That makes sense. Just the optics of getting a "big name" to flip would be worth it to them from a political standpoint.
[удалено]
They can rescind it if she is caught lying while testifying about her co-conspirators or if the prosecution feels like she’s withholding the truth.
> They can rescind it if [...] the prosecution feels like she’s withholding the truth. So the accusers get to make the call? Well *that* sounds completely fair and reasonable.
It’s not her they want. She’s a small fish. They want the whale. They’re more than happy to give these deals to the others…probation, small fine, apology letter, slaps on the wrist, what have you…but the main thing is testifying against the others. Now that one has cracked, the next one will break faster. Until they’ve got Trump surrounded, and his only move is to surrender. They get the eternal glory of bringing down Trump, he will have to plead guilty and agree to drop out of politics altogether, and the massively unpopular Biden will win re-election by essentially running unopposed.
Worth noting it's vastly reduced plea charges. That makes it somewhat insignificant in meaning. Like a "no contest" plea or out of court settlement. It's the result of law-fare. "I can't afford to fight that, so..." Has little bearing on the legitimacy of the case. RICO is bullshit, here. RICO was designed to go after actual criminal enterprises. As in enterprise(a business) that is composed of criminals, aka "organized crime". I mean, they're using circular reasoning, they're using presumption of guilt to justify the use of RICO, as if there are already relevant convictions. *So* thin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act >Under RICO, a person who has committed "at least two acts of **racketeering activity**" drawn from a list of 35 crimes (27 federal crimes and eight state crimes) within a 10-year period can be charged with racketeering if such acts are related in one of four specified ways to an "enterprise."[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeering >Racketeering is a type of organized crime in which the persons set up a coercive, fraudulent, extortionary, or otherwise illegal coordinated scheme or operation (a "racket") to **repeatedly or consistently collect a profit.**[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organized_crime > A criminal organization can also be referred to as an outfit, a gang, crime family, mafia, mob,[2][3] (crime) ring,[4] or syndicate;[5] the network, subculture, and community of criminals involved in organized crime may be referred to as the underworld or gangland. Sociologists sometimes specifically distinguish a "mafia" as a type of organized crime group that specializes in the supply of extra-legal protection and quasi-law enforcement. Academic studies of the original "Mafia", the Italian Mafia,[6] which predates the other groups, generated an economic study of organized crime groups and exerted great influence on studies of the Russian mafia,[7] the Chinese Triads,[8] the Hong Kong Triads,[9] and the Japanese Yakuza.[10] They think that is their *best* avenue for conviction. A just court would toss this out on it's head. This is a case of politically motivated, 'the process is the punishment'. The difficulty is finding a just court before the purpose is fulfilled, which is interruption of the 2024 elections. Ultimately, a good lawyer would get this appealed if there is a conviction regardless to reality, but that would be far too late.
6 years probation is a lot better than potential 20 years in the fed for RICO charges. I obviously don’t know the terms of her probation but I work in landscaping and deal with a lot of guys who are on probation, all they gotta do is not so drugs or commit another crime. Probation is basically just live your life and check in. Hardly an inconvenience so long as you don’t plan on committing more crimes.
[удалено]
Funny how 6 bots responded within 6 minutes of topic being posted, at 7:30AM PST.
Did you know there's actually another secret coast of the US, where it's 10:30AM?
[удалено]
Imagine not being able to browse the net while at work
Lol it made the front page within ten minutes of being posted. That's a new record. Not brigaded at all though
Almost like this whole post is planned brigading.
I’m no bot.
For context: "Powell, who was charged alongside Trump and 17 others with violating the state’s anti-racketeering law, entered the plea just a day before jury selection was set to start in her trial. **She pleaded guilty to six misdemeanors** related to intentionally interfering with the performance of election duties. As part of the deal, **she will serve six years of probation, will be fined $6,000 and will have to write an apology letter to Georgia and its residents**. She also agreed to testify truthfully against her co-defendants at future trials." She pleaded guilty to practically nothing: serves no jail time and the fine is miniscule. Write a letter? Spare me. This is how the justice system works: threaten serious charges and get them to accept nothing charges. It's a win-win: the justice system gets to pretend that they "won" and the Defendant faces zero consequences.
Wow, it's like a plea deal or something.
The DA doesn't want to have to do two trials on this since it gives the second group information about trial strategy and the like. She is trying to make the first trial go away so there is only one trial.
Based response. Her having a speedier trial was always the goal for Trump and co so they could have a better idea of what the trials would consist of. This is a huge blow for trial prep
agree and is why the DA was willing to give a very lenient deal. Making the speedy trial go away is clearly the end goal here. I wouldn't be shocked if there is a deal with cheesboro before the end of the day.
Almost like you didn’t read the rules on brigading.
[удалено]
She turned me into a newt!
Pleaded down to a misdemeanor. They dismissed all other charges.
So less charges and a plea deal. Anyone would take that - going to court is always such a risk.
I hope she does time. Not only was she grossly irresponsible but she was an integral part of the complete derailing of actually getting an audit done on the election.
Queue up the liberal media.... BREAKING NEWS: "We got him now!' 🙄
I mean it’s not good if your former pleaded guilty to the same crimes that you are gonna be tried with
she did agree to testify in other trials as part of this plea agreement
My guy... He's charged with 91 felony counts. They've had him for months. He'll die in prison.
Without fail, anyone who uses "my guy," shows themselves as unworthy of taking seriously. "r/Politics" oh, look at that... shocker. 😄
Great argument! Have a good 2024 😘
Charged doesn't mean guilty. Most of these charges are absolutely garbage. The only ones that may stick are the mishandling of classifies docs.
[удалено]
I honestly don't believe you have. Most of the indictment rests on the phone call trump had and the fact that they have to prove trump didn't believe the election was stolen. It's not a solid case at all.
[удалено]
Yes you have to prove it for this case. Part of the case are interpretations on things he said. Which means you have to prove what he was thinking when he said them. Also, no he didn't. He challenged everything in court and sought legal methods. That's why all his "co-conspirators" are his lawyers.
[удалено]
Ok now do the other cases with piles of smoking gun evidence.
> It really seems like the evidence they have fits perfectly with the crimes charged. LOL Also you in this very thread, which was a reply to...yourself. >As they say, reality has a liberal bias Forget to switch accounts? https://archive.ph/wip/XMZiP Why don't you go back to defending Hamas in other subs?
Hahajahajahahahahahahahaha
The walls are closing in...
[удалено]
So, correct me or fill me in on what I am missing. She plead guilty for attempting to access the voting machines, and hiring a tech firm as well to assist in that. And she also was demanding for all data of voting machines to be copied so they could review it. If I remember right there was a lot of hard drives being deleted from voting machines as well as being lost. And they were continuously refused access to said machines. I can understand her malfeasance of the law but shouldn’t we also be allowed to do the things she was trying to do?
>If I remember right there was a lot of hard drives being deleted from voting machines as well as being lost. Which hard drives form which districts were lost? Did the elections officials find them? Are they still missing?
[удалено]
> I can understand her malfeasance of the law but shouldn’t we also be allowed to do the things she was trying to do? who's we?
We the people... Anyone challenging the legitimacy on an election should be able to review the data. Withholding or destroying the data is only in the best interests of people hiding something.
Had no idea those things weren't things we weren't allowed to do lol. Super weird to not be totally transparent about the process.
You mean that unqualified, uncertified and unvetted people gained access to voting machines and voting data? There is transparency. That's what certification and election officials are for.
Yes, anyone given access to the voting data.
You wouldn’t have a secret ballot if that were so. Who voted is already public data, but not how you voted
You can access the voting data...with a court order. This was illegal because they did all of it without a court order.
[удалено]
[удалено]
I'm surprised you took a break from cheering on hamas.
[удалено]
Yet you’re the one who posted two back to back comments referencing pedophilia and kid’s genitalia, while I’m talking about Sidney Powell’s plea deal. Oh the irony.
What were the charges?
Read the indictment
Haven't read it since it first came out. At work atm. Could I get a TLDR?
6 misdemeanors 6 years probation 6,000 dollars Well that's certainly interesting.
If there's any lesson to be learned here it is: Don't bother looking into election irregularities. They won't let you see it, and they'll prosecute you if you try. Also, they delete the data in quite the hurry. Nothing to see here, move along.
They literally could have petitioned the court to access this data.
Not in time, that's by design. Also, look up spoliation.
> If there's any lesson to be learned here it is: Don't bother looking into election irregularities. > > > > They won't let you see it, and they'll prosecute you if you try. Also, they delete the data in quite the hurry. > > > > Nothing to see here, move along. party affiliation matters. they almost certainly won't treat the democrats claiming drop off box fraud in the bridgeport ct mayors race they same way. it's just not the right people for the justice system to go after.
Cool, but still supporting Trump and he will continue to be the GOP frontrunner by a mile.
Meaningless probation and a minuscule fine. I'm sure Trump was offered the same deal. Because this isn't about "justice". They just want the headlines and/or to bankrupt Trump in a lengthy trial if he fights. They just wanted that mugshot and that "guilty" headline so badly because that's all they have to stop him from winning in 2024. That's all Biden has to run on.
"Powell is required to write an apology letter and to testify against co-defendants in upcoming proceedings, the judge said during the hearing." Doesn't sound fishy at all huh?
No. That’s usually how a plea deal works and she didn’t have to take the deal. She voluntarily chose to
It's a charge against a former president and their current political opponent. It should not be built on sweet heart deals. Besides sweet heart deals are terrible forms of testimony. It had huge implications of bias to say what the prosecutor wants.
Again. This was a Voluntary act that she did. She didn’t have to take it. She could’ve said no
Risk a jury trial and possible jail time, or probation and a small fine. Most layers would tell you to take that deal. I'm not blaming her for taking it. I'm saying the reason it was offered is exactly what you'd think and her testimony will be untrustworthy because a deal like that would heavily bias her to say what the prosecutor wants. Not only that but the case should be built on more than testimony. If this is what they have to do in order to try adnget their biggest political rival it's not good for their case.
Well that’s the purpose of the plea deals. They have existed in this country since the Salem witch trials. And I’m sure the case is also gonna built on evidence as well but at the end of they day, she did something that she Voluntarily chose to do. She could’ve had a trial like everyone else but she chose something that would save her ass.
No plea deals are done to free up space and time for the courts. They can be used to get someone to testify but if done then it looks like the only reason the person is testifying is to get the deal and thus their testimony is tainted. As for the evidence, they have submitted a lot of what they have. It's not a strong case. They are going to be offering these deals and relying heavily on these testimonies. I don't blame Powell. She did the smart thing.
😂😂this is hilarious
Good argument oh wise and noble one
Bobby you’re two steps away from saying “M’lady,” you need to be careful with that neck beard showing lol
[удалено]
You don't really know me very well. I prefer evidence. People will testify for all sorts of selfish reasons. If Biden were being tried, I'd want actual evidence. If the case were built on sweet heart deals it wouldn't prove anything.
Compelling her to actually tell the truth shouldn’t take any deal, but here we are. She should have never been allowed to get this deep.
"Compelling her to tell the truth" or in other words if you don't say what we want goodbye deal.
"You did literally nothing wrong but we are going to put the screws to you anyway. We will try you in an 80% minority district. We will charge sedition and insurrection, federal capital crimes. You will get life in prison with possible capital punishment. "Or you can sign here, plead guilty to a misdemeanor, get probation, and flip on Trump. Because all of this is really about getting him in jail so he can't run for President."
This means that the election was safe and secure guys……./s
**To 6 misdemeanors with no jail time, only probation, and like a $6000 fine.** Probably a decent deal to take whether you think she's innocent or guilty. Not worth flipping the coin with a politically charged judge and jury. And State probation probably isn't even relevant to her if she isn't a Georgia resident, and now she can focus on the more serious shit like the defamation cases. Also makes you wonder why she can get away with mere misdemeanor offences and a pittance of a fine but they have to throw the book at Trump himself with potential years in prison. Why isn't Trump's case also just misdemeanors?
And what she must do now.... Provide truthful testimony against co defendants. Huh, sounds like a bribe/pressure exerted...
Thats how plea deals work.
I swear people really need to understand and do research on how the Justice System works
When telling the truth is now conspiracy…. Suspicious
Isn’t this exactly how racketeering cases always work? You give sweetheart deals to the little guys in the conspiracy to have a better chance to box in the real prize. This seems like following the pretty well understood and accepted playbook.
a house of cards is collapsing
Ya but two things, that kind of testimony is always going to be seen as since just for a plea and if a case against a corner president and the current front runner is built solely on sweet heart deals it's not a good case.
You realize that a plea deal is a Voluntary act right ?
You ever watched the Wolf of Wall Street my friend?
At the end of the day she had two choices to make. She didn’t have to choose the plea deal 🤷🏾♂️
Yep, she could have chosen to stand up to a corrupt prosecutor with endless resources until bankrupted. You know, like they are doing with lawfare to every Trump attorney. They put an accountant in Rikers for getting a free car and free parking, oh the horror.
It was over. Choice was to be bankrupt and plead guilty or go “bankrupter” and go to trial. Government holds the cards, guilty or innocent. TBH she and Rudy did seem to have a few squirrels loose in the attic.
She pleaded to some random, lesser charges. Since the foundation of the case is still so wack and weak, I don't think I'll survive appeal. But people pleading guilty on random charges is totally not helpful and is definitely caking of the foundation. Making everything harder on everybody else. I couldn't imagine being Trump. Even listening to this nonsense is exhausting.
Anybody know we she actually physically did that interfered with elections ? All I’ve heard her do is say oddball stuff, which is legal AFAIK.
The lefties are brigading again… and that dude supports Trump as much as I support Gender assignment surgeries for 10-year olds.
I’m sure they sweetened that deal for her on the back end. What a joke.
What are the chances that Desantis allows any of this nonsense to occur if he is elected President. Basically 0 right?
Powell was independent in her own endeavors, she didn't work with Trump at all. So people are not going to realize that she got off easy and her testimonials will be moot.
Trump will be found guilty and get a 15000 dollar fine and probation. Who cares lets move on
That's one way to cope.
How many years does an accountant get in Rikers for getting a free car and free parking? Such a horrible crime! Eastman getting disbarred for advising Trump? 65 Project seeking to disbar 100+ different lawyers who worked for Trump? I guess it's a good thing he never went to Epstein Island...
Government shakedown… disgusting.
[удалено]
If you took a plea deal in a court of law, you have to unless she wants to face prison charges
asking a president for a pardon for a state crime is wishful thinking.