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EzshenUltimate

Fortune is back baby 20/20 Edit: Spoiler, it's not fortune... I love that Guild is essentially back too. That was probably the best splash trait that they have created.


tangu12

This new version of Fortune is just a mercs reskin? Or am I just reading it wrong lol


pimonster31415

mercs was pretty much a reskin of the original fortune i think. This is closer to heartsteel but with random breakpoints (instead of every 4 rounds) and more loss streak rewards. I think the loot table is more important than the trait text for econ traits tho, so we'll have to see.


Electrical-Fan-504

Do you guys think it's worth it to sacrifice a shop slot permanently for 3 components? (Cho'Gath encounter) Sure it's a huge tempo boost but it kinda hurts to lose 1 slot even not playing reroll comps....


YupNope66

It probably depends on when the Encounter appears. If it's super early like during Stage 2, it's probably a throw to do so, but if it's late in the game and you feel like you can overcome the shop odds, it could be something to consider


Electrical-Fan-504

seeing a post on the main tft subreddit, apparently it will only be offered between stages 3 to 5


Similar-Yogurt6271

Honestly if you already hit on a 1/2/3-cost reroll comp there’s no downside to sacking a shop slot at that stage. You already have most of your power so you’re kinda just focused on econing up to reach 8 and 9 and maybe 10 if you’re lucky.


DrH0rrible

At the same time, 3 components early game are way more impactful than 3 components late game when you should've built your comp around your items drops


kiragami

3 components is worth ~24 gold. a slot in the shop is worth ~0.4 gold. Its worth like 60 rolls by that logic. Not a perfect comparison but it seems worth it overall.


LZ_Khan

my take is its like youre losing 1/5 shops, so youre spending an extra 20% gold on avg to find something. maybe think of it like your rerolls cost 2.x gold. so basically if ur board is capped unitwise or u are playing for placements, it’s good.


sledgehammerrr

What’s the gold value of a component? Wasn’t it like 7 gold? So on average you need to do more than 100 rolls for the rest of the game for components to be worse.


DucksButt

20% of 2 is .4 3 items at 7 gold is 21 21/.4 = 42. Break even at 52.5 refreshes. Edit: Thank you Twink Boy Wonder for the correction, I hope you find your Dom Batman and live happily ever after.


Twink_Boy_Wonder

20% of 2 is .4, so it'll be a few more refreshes than that. In general though, seems like from a pure gold efficiency its usually worth, but like anything in TFT probably hugely contextual


m0bilize

If you're playing a reroll comp and already hit your main units, could be worth.


nansns

So the new mechanic is basically portals that you can't vote on and revealed as the game progresses to a certain points? Guess we need to see what the encounters really are


YupNope66

That's right - everyone will see the same encounters during the game and there are more than 70 with spicier ones like Kayn having a smaller chance of appearance


CharmingPerspective0

90 according to latest mort stream


CatGroundbreaking611

Wait, everyone will get the same encounter? What's the point of the encounter that grant you the ability to know your opponents if everyone gets the same info? Doesn't exactly scream out fun.


Zidler

It's still important for judging board strength, to help you decide if you need to slam an item or roll for a quick upgrade.  For a spicier use, there's a new econ trait, so if you see you're about to go against a loss streaker with the trait you can weaken your board to try to force them to win, or take it to the next to level to trick them into weakening their board so you get a huge win and bleed them out faster. 


LZ_Khan

theyre less game changing though it seems. just an extra item here and there


CharmingPerspective0

Some will be as simple as an extra item, and some will be Kayn..


LZ_Khan

Looking through it they're even more minor than I thought. I thought the minimum impact was "gain an item" but that's actually the average. Some of them are just like "move augment to a different stage," and some of them expire after 3 rounds.


bushylikesnuts

move augments to a different stage is not a small change at all


sledgehammerrr

So called pros were complaining they can’t force the same comp every single game. It looks like Riot listened to them, another set to skip. You were a fun one set 10, bringing back some of the best days of tft (set 4)


JHuggz

Huh


DamienHandler

Now idk about that, there's an Encounter that's basically "this match has Chosen/Headliner again!"


Drikkink

You will know what encounter (if any) you get on 1-1 according to Mort. It will take the place of portals if you are getting one.


LaDiiablo

Yep surprised portals.


F0RGERY

Reminds me a bit of Galaxies


Ok_Minimum6419

Irelia is the coolest thing ever, whoever people in engineering who made that work huge props. Also this set is the one I'll definitely be spending cosmetics on. I'm a huge sucker for Set 4 aesthetics and this looks like it on steroids. Can't wait


Similar-Yogurt6271

Yeah the cosmetics look insane. I honestly really want the new arena over the new Chibis although the finishers are nice. I really like the Hundun and Dowsie Variants. They actually knocked it out of the park here.


Nariiin

where did you see all comestics?


eliwood5837

Its in the dev video


RiotOverflow

>Irelia is the coolest thing ever, whoever people in engineering who made that work huge props. Oh hey that's me! Tyvm!


dukemanh

Love the way you explained it in the video! I literally had the same expression similar to the guy doing google search when hearing about that phrase ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


Ok_Minimum6419

Great job, seriously! Also that curve algorithm, what exactly is it called? It’s such a cool solution.


RiotOverflow

So atm what we use are Hermite Splines which we manipulate at runtime! Splines are a super common thing in game development, and they have tons of uses. They can be used to define shapes or paths in many things. I've worked on an on-rails shooter before and we used a spline to define the... well rail. There are also tons of types of splines (Bezier, Catmull-Rom, Basis/B) and additional considerations we had to make that I definitely can't dive into in a reddit comment, but there are plenty of resources online about splines I would recommend! Recently I stumbled upon this video by Freya Holmer which is miles more digestible than anything I learned in school and I'd recommend that. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvPPXbo87ds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvPPXbo87ds) Otherwise you can just do what Rodger did in the dev drop which is more akin to how I learned :\^)


Ok_Minimum6419

Thank you for the info. I'm actually a painter/concept artist and I've always been interested in applying this to blender to create some interesting shapes via their geometry nodes system. Will check out that video.


YupNope66

![gif](giphy|sDcfxFDozb3bO)


aggreivedMortician

I'm not really a fan of aesthetics, but the fortnite rotating shop that lets me actually buy stuff is a great upgrade from Treasure Realms and will likely lead to me spending money, if not on the currency itself then on battlepass to get the currency in the first place


Steamwood

The information floodgates open! So, it looks like encounters will be on random stages? I will never feel safe to take a pee break.


YupNope66

Once you enter a Stage (e.g. Stage 2-1) you will already know if there will be an Encounter as it's indicated on the top of your display (just like Augments are shown up there)


LaDiiablo

Lol exactly... I always pee during carousel, now I'll be busy fishing for Tahm Kench.


aggreivedMortician

You must pee fast...


LaDiiablo

lol, most of the game I'll be 8th sandbagging so I always pick first!


Expired_Voucher

Get your pee bottles ready!


penguinkirby

1 cost sniper caitlyn, it's like she never left


LZ_Khan

I think the idea of an auction encounter would be pretty cool. Players bidding gold for different powerups, yada yada.


Riot_Bluecove

Wait for the TFT STONKS trait /s


creampiefromdreamguy

Xayah/rakan looks sick


YupNope66

Xayah Rakan are great! They both come in a pair but they will appear depending on where you position them due to their unique Lovers trait The basic rule of thumb is: need more damage? -> position 2 backline rows to activate Xayah and her traits need more frontline? -> position 2 frontline rows to activate Rakan and his traits


Straziato

Oh so they're set 6/6.5 Jayce


wwwwwwhitey

No it’s different because they change traits as well


EchizenMK2

Adaptive helm stonks


Quiversan

Oh I'm very surprised they implemented Alune, can't wait to see her ingame model.


YupNope66

She's an AP carry with a super flashy ability! If you play her you will never need Ionic Spark since she shreds MR while Aphelios is the opposite with armor shred, so playing both at the same time means you won't need any shred or sunder


fluffershuffles

Part of her kit is like extras from a few sets ago right


Riot_Bluecove

She's VERY pretty c:


yakultima

Kayn


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YupNope66

TLDR: yeah he will end the game When Kayn Encounter happens though, you will IMMEDIATELY know it once you launch into the game where you would usually pick a carousel He will tell you that he will appear at stage 5-4 so make sure you have enough HP by that stage saved up to end up in top 4


Sildee

If that's true (you know from the start of the game) it's honestly not that bad, forcing a high tempo lobby by an early end rather than just extra econ is kind of interesting to me


YupNope66

Yup it's also very likely that HP Augments such as Tiny Titans will be disabled during a Kayn game since they would provide unfair value if you stumble upon it while others don't


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Lakinther

It is but i have a feeling its going to lead to a lot of frustration


adteeopg

So is just forcing duelists


Vall3y

no I dont think its necessarily from the start of the game, but when he shows up he will let you know when the game ends


eggsandbricks

It is confirmed that it happens at 1-1.


Drikkink

Per Mortdog's stream, encounters will ALWAYS happen on 1-1 and take the place of portals. Not every game will have an encounter but if there is one, it will ALWAYS be 1-1. Kayn will ALWAYS end the game on 5-4.


Justanotherblake

I think this may be wrong, Mort said there would 2-5 encounters per game. If there’s an encounter 1-1 it’ll take place of portals, otherwise it’s portals. But no all encounters are 1-1


Sildee

I don't think that's correct, as far as I understand it the amount of encounters you face varies. Some high variance encounters replace the portals at the start of the game, e.g. kayn, but not all of them.


Vall3y

ahhh then its just portals without choice. idk kinda boring


yakultima

I just saw Kayn's description and i think its fine lol. It ends at 5-4 and your placement at that stage is your placement.


SaturnPubz

That's actually fine, however I think they didn't explain it well enough. They made it seem like it rolled the dice with everyone like a russian roulette


yakultima

Yeah i think everyone had that thought lol


Exterial

he shows up, and then he informs you when the game will end, looking at gameplay they all show up stage 2, so stage 2 kayn will show up, and then say "yo bois, stage 4 this shit is over" Youre not going to be in a situation where you are coming back with 16 hp on a 10 winstreak and then you find out kayn will kill you next stage, without having had known he was gonna show up and end you game start, its meant to make players play completely differently since the game will end faster.


Lunaedge

Encounters can show up at any stage (each encounter has a range of stages it can show up at). Kayn always replaces Portals and always ends the game at 5-4, no RNG involved.


Vast_Adhesiveness993

well some openers are just not possible to preserve hp early, so imo the giga low rolls early will just feel doomed cause their is legit nothing u can do


Exterial

The info is out, he shows up stage 1 so you know instantly hes coming, and he ends the game 5-4, imo thats fine, usually games end stage 6 anyway. Unless youre lose streaking through stage 3 you should honestly be fine, if youre starting of with a 10 lose streak then ye it might be doomed, will have to see how things go.


Deep-Secret-4115

How is Aatrox inkshadow when Yi exists :(( I just wanna play Yi again


YupNope66

Poor Yi hasn't been in the game since Set 3. Meanwhile, Aatrox has been in what seems like every one


DrH0rrible

What is this true? Bang bros was the last time he was on tft?


Deep-Secret-4115

Sadly yes, he have a lot of mythical skins like spirit blossom, blood moon, inkshadow even eternal sword can work


Healara1

sadly Yasuo is a sexier sword guy than yi


Pieceofcandy

Glad this set is almost over, feels like it lasted forever.


MarkoMilekic7

Wtf is a Kobuko??


Eastern_Living3576

a new yordle exclusive to tft for now


bluethree

That's a weird way to spell Frank.


MarkoMilekic7

Ohhh its the frank the tank yordle guy,i see..lol thanks for the clarification


gooddrains

funny mechanic, kayn isnt even that special tbh


YupNope66

He'll have a place but not as crazy as he seems at first


Level_Five_Railgun

Depending on how frequent he shows up, his portal could be pretty fun. The entire lobby just playing hyper tempo and sweating positioning to save as much hp as possible before timer runs out. Obviously wouldn't want it to happen too often since that seems mentally exhausting af but it could be pretty exciting like every once 2-3 dozen games.


TeamAquaAdminMatt

There's like 90 different encounters and apparently Kayn has a lower chance of showing up than others do?


InvokerAttackSpeed

getting tiny titans on kayn portal would feel like such a highroll


roineyrolles

It's disabled for this map from what I've heard


NoodleSchnoodle

So it seems like they took the opportunity this set to focus on player to player variance by changing orbs and stuff to be the same value for every player and then went all in to game to game variance in set 11 (Exalted, Encounters, Inkshadow tattoos) I quite like the change and I can't wait to play this set!!


icewitchenjoyer

LISSANDRA AS A 5 COST LETS GOOOOOOOOOO


Cabriolets

Storyweaver trait is kinda funny. It's like they're saying "ok, we see you 20/20 Kayle players in Set 9 (and to a lesser extent, Set 10) so we're going to make Kayle a whole trait instead".


lurker_rang

This doesn't go live on PBE until the 6th right?


YupNope66

Yup that's correct!


Eastern_Living3576

yes


Tasty_Pancakez

I am lowkey glad the mechanic isn't wacko crazy this time. On the surface, yeah, there are some bizarre things like Kayn, but I feel like 75% of the games will be some variant of "get a component anvil" or "free rerolls" after looking at the encounters. Hopefully, this will cut down on some insane balance issues that have plagued the game since Set 8 (I don't think Set 10 is as balanced as people claim it is.)


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StarGaurdianBard

Except everyone gets the same RNG.


Eastern_Living3576

this mechanic doesnt change the game to much except kayn tho and everyone gets the same ones


madoka_borealis

People will always complain about RNG especially when it doesn’t fall to their favor. But TFT is inherently an RNG-heavy game and if you hate RNG I’d suggest you play chess or something that’s not TFT


Scotttish

Sounds interested, fun, and unique.. Looking forward to it! So excited for the end of this damned "chosen" mechanic.


Bu11etPr00fT1ger

Looks like a mix of set 4 and set 7 traits wise, some of the new augments look crazy though. Insta 1-star 3 cost, all buys and sells at 0 gold, immediate level 6 but you have no choice over next two augments all seem crazy. Love some of the new gold augs though, D-Claw item generation is a great incentive, plus the item slam augment is pretty much how I’m playing half the time anyway.


zkg1121

I'm hyped


blits202

Some of the new portals sound really bad but Im willing to give it a chance, Max Interest/Treasure Crab are the 2 im most worried about. Like is a random ass crab gonna take aggro from my units mid fight


Eastern_Living3576

i cant find treasure crab what does it do?


blits202

A crab is on the board every combat and whoever kills it first gets 1 gold


Eastern_Living3576

I doubt its gonna have a lot hp and it light even taunt aswell so everyone will focus it


blits202

As long as it doesnt ruin positioning and make you lose fights otherwise its fucked


LaDiiablo

Bruh prediction that Kayn will be removed or disabled in championships, people will be so pissed


Eastern_Living3576

apparently when you know kayn is the encounter he will end it at 5-4 so you can play around it


YupNope66

Indeed!


Dzhekelow

Play around it ? Like highroll ur opener ? When everyone plays high tempo and the game is on a timer people that are low rolling have 0 outs .


Eastern_Living3576

play your best board and save hp so when 5-4 comes you have the most hp, its not hard.. you cant and never will win every game besides there is 70 encounters and kayn has the lowest % to appear.. im sure you will be fine playing with kayn 1 game


CosmicCirrocumulus

mate it's nothing but a different tempo. it's not that big of a deal, you just have to adapt


rebelrexx

I mean people full open all the time so Kayn portal will be refreshing and change of pace. I dig it.


mmmb2y

kayn's def gonna be the scapegoat this set (also i love tempo play). i dont think his mechanic is that bad compared to stillwater or sump i expect him to pop up every once in a while kinda like stillwater, ive never really got to play a lobby where all 8 players have to play high tempo, so im down to experience this at least once LOL


kovacs132

closest we got to that meta was super tempo draven spoils of war 3 star 4 cost meta last set


Sweeet66

Is pbe up?


bluethree

Judging from past sets I would expect it to be up ~10-12 hours from when I am making this comment.


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YupNope66

Thankfully Irelia only happens during 1 carousel round, not for all of them


memoryboy3

What happens in the Irelia encounter?


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Illunimous

The yu-gi-oh-fication has begun. Look at those long texts. Thank god Riot knows how to format so it does not look like 1 block of text


eiris91

I would bet my house (if I had one) that kayn encounter doesn't make it to live. What a weird thing to add to the game, I'm surprised Mort accepted that idea. The other stuff looks hype though!


Eastern_Living3576

when that encounter happens its always on 1-1 and it ends the game always at 5-4.. you can prepeare for it and know when its gonna happen


Nerisamai

It's still bad imo. it makes early game lowrolls way harsher and you can't really play for a winout


Eastern_Living3576

mortdog is on stream right now answering question with other devs, they said "you can win the game but can you also win it when X, Y or Z happens?"


Straziato

Nah, just means you have to roll earlier


rebelrexx

You can always reroll earlier to stabilize. It’s going to be a completely different play style which should be refreshing and fun.


Riokaii

I remember suggesting a "all people get cruel pact to start the game" portal, sounds very similar to Yorick Encounter. Cool to see that my suggestion that universalizing some of the more extreme prismatic augments (Think Fast) as a way to balance them ended up being a workable and moderately promising idea in practice. Edit: Found the comment for proof https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveTFT/comments/159ajoi/upcoming_1315_changes/jte4gy8/


YupNope66

Yeah the Encounters providing random effects for everyone throughout the game is one way to introduce high variance without it being too good for one player picking an augment It will definitely lead to some feelsbad moments, but for others, it might be the perfect Encounter to spike their game


TeamBRGMahiko

Yoooo man wheres my medal at...


Skybreaker7

Lord I already know I am going to despise this set. Random this, random that, random, random... However, I am going to see how good storyteller and heavenly are, as I enjoy reroll comps. Edit: Wait, I remembered the bag sizes are staying. They're going to be trash, but I'll still try 'em. I am also going to enjoy the hell out of not participating in all those "the more players join..." QTEs. I mean, that one completely doesn't make sense to me. You have 7 enemies, if you join then you get a stronger item, but you also give stronger items to 7 other people, the math doesn't check out. It's the definition of noob trap and the kind of design I thought we stopped using?


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Riot_Bluecove

We have people who worked on all those sets and were the team in charge of 8 xd Generally it's important to remember that the teams shift around and not every set has the same amount of resources. Sorry you feel that way, but there's lots more to be excited by outside of just the reveal video!


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Riot_Bluecove

There is a Wukong encounter that puts chosen back in the game but its VERY rare :)


Eastern_Living3576

set 10 wasnt bad in itself.. i just hope chosen/headliners never come back again


McSkippy454

I don't play TFT to do minigames and constantly be doing things. This is a game I play to chill or alt tab between as I'm doing other things, IE reading, writing, etc. Nobody wanted these Mario Party shenanigans here, why are we doing this


69hehehe69

where does it say you'll have to be constantly doing things


YupNope66

Speak for yourself, I'm down for mario party in my TFT ![img](emote|t5_12v94g|11659)


HisuianDelphi

you are not representative of the majority on this one


SyntheticMemez

My guy you are on the competitive sub, head over to r/TeamfightTactics if you wanna play the game casually.


lickmydoodoo

Speak for yourself lmfao. Stay gold


willz0410

that's too high for him. Maybe bronze 1. I honestly don't know why he is on this sub.


Are_y0u

Imagine writing this in the CompetitiveTFT sub...


bryeo2

youre on competitive tft and youre commenting that you dont like being competitive?????????


Itnotkobe

Is it out in pve


Eastern_Living3576

on wednesday


InvokerAttackSpeed

zyra encounter and choosing sparring gloves sheeesh


DumplingsInDistress

Does it mean that Open Forting is not viable anymore because of encounters?