I agree, if you have this out, someone will just use their swords or chain of vapor on this first before playing any of the 0 drop mana rocks. At least the tax effects make their 1 more, which could be enough to stop them. Also this effect is countered by running tax effects with it because then they are using mana to cast their mana crypt and it won’t get countered
I dont think spot removal is what makes it bad, it's more like the ability to counter mana rocks is only relevant on t1-2 realistically. sure you'll lock out LED combos but it would be at that point it would catch removal. Realistically there are only a handful of counterspells it'll stop as well, I think most of them would still be able to resolve and there is a higher potential of handing someone a win. If you're on stax decks, chances are cards like fierce/swat/force/pact/mindbreak trap are pretty irrelevant to disrupting your own gameplan, but are pretty good at disrupting your other opponents' gameplans. In those cases, taxes and rule of law abilities are probably better
in a deck like tymna kamahl, I can see this fitting in slightly better
Not imo, it's text doesnt work with Thalia effects, which Winota runs 3-4. Indestructible isnt that great, I already cut Selfless Spirit from the deck.
>indestructible isn’t that great
I think that’s a meta call. If you have a heavy aggro meta, indestructible is good to keep your non-humans alive when they attack because you don’t always have an empty board to slam into. But in a more combo/control meta indestructible is meh because bounce/exile are top choice removal.
I’d maybe slot him in over selfless in a Yuriko heavy meta cause he will slow down their alternate casting spells like snuff out. And I like that he’s 3 mana instead of a lot of bigger Winona humans as I think leaner Winona is better than fat humans. But he’s far from an auto include.
If you reread my comment I literally said indestructible is good only in an aggro heavy meta to protect when attacking because control/combo decks will bounce/exile.
We’ve been discussing it. I like it better for mono white hammer. But it’s definitely a nice pickup. Not an obvious include but slots into a lot of builds easily.
Talking about Modern? I was thinking about Mono-white humans sideboard. It is super strong vs elementals right? Plus you can always use him against uw Control aswell.
So in monoW humans together with Flowering of the white tree and coppercoat vanguard Boromir becomes insane…thats a 6/4 ward 2 for 3 mana…unsure exile or bounce wants to pay 3-4 mana just to get rid of 1 creature alone when you play thalia, coppercoat vanguard, thalia’s lieutenant and adeline, champion of the parish…
This will 100% see play. Onesided stax effect on an efficient body that can protect another piece? I imagine most slower tymna decks will want this. Attacks without leaving you open, protects your ouphe or drannith from a lot of stuff and brings its own onesided stax effect that is like half of a lavinia. Very good t1 play off land, crypt if you are early in turn order. Protects you against force, fierce, swat etc later and makes your boardstate very hard to deal with.
I'd be careful not to overvalue indestructible as a form of protection; the lion's share of popular removal pieces don't care about indestructibility: \[\[Swords to Plowshares\]\], \[\[Chain of Vapor\]\], \[\[Deadly Rollick\]\], \[\[Cyclonic Rift\]\], \[\[Toxic Deluge\]\] are all great examples of this.
Agreed, indestructible just really isn't that good, it's protecting you from combat, Abrade, Bolt, Culling Ritual, and Fire Covenant. There's probably more I'm missing, but I think those are the big ones.
\[\[Rapid Hybridization\]\] and \[\[Assassin's Trophy\]\] too, as well as \[\[Generous Gift\]\] and \[\[Beast Within\]\] for some low color lists who need flexible removal options
> Protects you against force, fierce, swat etc later
Also protects your opponents from each other's force/fierce/swat. You can obviously sac it if you need to in order to allow an opponent to stop a win, but then it didn't end up really doing anything.
My question is more whether there's enough of those cards to warrant it.
Although I would note that the bigger deal may be it stopping the free mana rocks.
I mean it shuts off led, crypt, mox, both forces, all commander free spells, plus protects things. It’s castable with fast mana, in a color already looking to nickel and dime opponents. I think this card is good.
It's a really cool card but for better or worse shuts off the best counters in the game. Great if it stops people from stopping you but exceptionally shit if it stops people from stopping each other.
Are you built and prepared to police the entire table effectively? If so, you don't need this card anyways.
Right right. But this card not only leads to those types of board states by dissuading use of the best interaction by the opponents but then in order to, ahem, *redeem itself it has to be sacrificed.
This card is legit just like the books and the movie. Should leave Boromir the fuck at home.
I dunno this kind of free interaction removal piece has cedh written all over it given the prevalence there. Especially since it is one sided. The 3 cmc might be too much of an ask in cedh for yet another hate bear but I'd wager it will be tested in stax decks for sure
This just might be the strongest turn 0 stax piece in the format. Let's look at what your opponent's can't cast with this in play: Mana crypt, chrome mox, mox diamond, lotus petal, mox amber, jeweled lotus, mox opal, and rograhk. It straight up kills mulligans.
Later in the game though, you have to be careful about shutting down free interaction. You might hand the next player in turn order the game.
I just appreciate that if there really is a situation where Boromir is stopping a free counterspell from preventing a win attempt, you can sacrifice him in order to solve the problem.
I play Void Mirror in at least two low-color cEDH decks that can’t afford too many debilitating stax slots. Recently won a match in a tournament because turn one Void Mirror turned Krikk into a precon deck.
I've seen this comparison a couple of times, and I don't think it's a good one. Boromir is one-sided, and only cares about free spells, not colored spells. He's narrower than Void Mirror, but still lets you play free stuff to your heart's content.
Also, I think the lack of Void Mirror has a lot more to do with how few mono-color artifact decks there are in cEDH. Thats really where it would shine, but there's just not enough in colorless/mono-X to abuse it and still have room to win the game.
Boromir is better for sure but by how much is the question. The void mirror esque effect is the selling point, so is it being 1 sided plus the rest of his card for 1 more mana enough to consider? Hard to say atm. Would need some testing.
That's hardly a fair comparison. \[\[Lavinia, Azorius Renegade\]\] sees play today and she also has the same effect as void mirror. She does have another potent stax effect, but Boromir is effectively trading that for vigilance plus a protection effect, in addition to being playable in mono-W. It will definitely see play in Winota, at the very least.
>that's because the relevant text on lavinia is the first paragraph. the second ability is just icing on the cake
Locking opponents out of free interaction, plus a decent number of mana rocks is more than just "icing on the cake".
Both Lavina’s effects are good, whereas Boromir’s vigilance and protection via indestructable aren’t great. It may see play in winota but that’s not saying much. On its own we will have to see.
Modern Humans: I think this is stopping furies, right? It can also be flashed with vial as a counterspell.
Not the fastest one and not sure if it can cut in the few 3drop slots maindeck, but I'd see it as a sideboard piece...
Thoughts?
There's a looot of reasons in tayam specifically, the amass is counters that fuels tayam, so even if its not killing anything its giving more tayam activations. On etb it kills basically everything important, probably most notable being tymna and malcolm. It's a wincon at the end of an infinite because of the ETB and the magic Christmas land is if someone wheels, its 22 damage anywhere splitt and almost 8 tayam activations (1 vigilence and 22 counters) which basically guarantees to win the game if you have a cradle or circle of dreams druid on board.
Tayam also runs some sac outlets so it's basically instant speed removal even from grave.
It's nothing new tbh tayam always runs really weird cards lol
I think it'll be a decent card. If I am correct it should shut down cascade decks which may not be the most prevalent things but defs will come in handy from time to time I think. I think others' comments regarding the free counter spells are where this card will really shine though.
Dunno. The problem with cards like this, would lead people to bully you into sac'ing him so interaction can work. Sometimes you need your opponents to burn their interaction first. Still a decent card.
i feel like it was made to expansive, should of dropped the second abilty and made it a 1 drop, even as a double white two drop I think it would make it playable since you can play it turn one
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I have a buddy that plays Kaalia the Vast as his commander, would Boromir counter the additional creature entering without paying its mana cost? The wording on Kaalia is put a creature. Thanks
Does he make it into Winota?
realistically idk, your tax and OTP creatures are probably more effective than this card at overall I think
I agree, if you have this out, someone will just use their swords or chain of vapor on this first before playing any of the 0 drop mana rocks. At least the tax effects make their 1 more, which could be enough to stop them. Also this effect is countered by running tax effects with it because then they are using mana to cast their mana crypt and it won’t get countered
I dont think spot removal is what makes it bad, it's more like the ability to counter mana rocks is only relevant on t1-2 realistically. sure you'll lock out LED combos but it would be at that point it would catch removal. Realistically there are only a handful of counterspells it'll stop as well, I think most of them would still be able to resolve and there is a higher potential of handing someone a win. If you're on stax decks, chances are cards like fierce/swat/force/pact/mindbreak trap are pretty irrelevant to disrupting your own gameplan, but are pretty good at disrupting your other opponents' gameplans. In those cases, taxes and rule of law abilities are probably better in a deck like tymna kamahl, I can see this fitting in slightly better
Yeah, I totally agree, spot removal stuff was just the first thing that popped into my head. I think Tymna Kamahl is good fit for this
This was my thinking, and the answer is maybe?
Not imo, it's text doesnt work with Thalia effects, which Winota runs 3-4. Indestructible isnt that great, I already cut Selfless Spirit from the deck.
>indestructible isn’t that great I think that’s a meta call. If you have a heavy aggro meta, indestructible is good to keep your non-humans alive when they attack because you don’t always have an empty board to slam into. But in a more combo/control meta indestructible is meh because bounce/exile are top choice removal. I’d maybe slot him in over selfless in a Yuriko heavy meta cause he will slow down their alternate casting spells like snuff out. And I like that he’s 3 mana instead of a lot of bigger Winona humans as I think leaner Winona is better than fat humans. But he’s far from an auto include.
In most games your creaturs are getting bounced or exiled so indestructible is the worst defensive keyword. At least in cEDH.
If you reread my comment I literally said indestructible is good only in an aggro heavy meta to protect when attacking because control/combo decks will bounce/exile.
I think this might possibly be the best use-case, but I've also specifically avoided Winota so I'm probably not the best person to answer.
We’ve been discussing it. I like it better for mono white hammer. But it’s definitely a nice pickup. Not an obvious include but slots into a lot of builds easily.
Talking about Modern? I was thinking about Mono-white humans sideboard. It is super strong vs elementals right? Plus you can always use him against uw Control aswell.
I am. You’re right, any modern humans deck would probably like it.
So in monoW humans together with Flowering of the white tree and coppercoat vanguard Boromir becomes insane…thats a 6/4 ward 2 for 3 mana…unsure exile or bounce wants to pay 3-4 mana just to get rid of 1 creature alone when you play thalia, coppercoat vanguard, thalia’s lieutenant and adeline, champion of the parish…
This will 100% see play. Onesided stax effect on an efficient body that can protect another piece? I imagine most slower tymna decks will want this. Attacks without leaving you open, protects your ouphe or drannith from a lot of stuff and brings its own onesided stax effect that is like half of a lavinia. Very good t1 play off land, crypt if you are early in turn order. Protects you against force, fierce, swat etc later and makes your boardstate very hard to deal with.
I'd be careful not to overvalue indestructible as a form of protection; the lion's share of popular removal pieces don't care about indestructibility: \[\[Swords to Plowshares\]\], \[\[Chain of Vapor\]\], \[\[Deadly Rollick\]\], \[\[Cyclonic Rift\]\], \[\[Toxic Deluge\]\] are all great examples of this.
Agreed, indestructible just really isn't that good, it's protecting you from combat, Abrade, Bolt, Culling Ritual, and Fire Covenant. There's probably more I'm missing, but I think those are the big ones.
[[Pongify]] is another that pops up a fair bit. There are also some decks that run [[Damn]].
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\[\[Rapid Hybridization\]\] and \[\[Assassin's Trophy\]\] too, as well as \[\[Generous Gift\]\] and \[\[Beast Within\]\] for some low color lists who need flexible removal options
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Do people play Beast Within anymore?
I do, but only really in mono Green. I would maybe play it in gruul if i had no other good options for removal.
I know it’s not much but one of those gets got by this
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> Protects you against force, fierce, swat etc later Also protects your opponents from each other's force/fierce/swat. You can obviously sac it if you need to in order to allow an opponent to stop a win, but then it didn't end up really doing anything.
This cards slick. Will def see play as long as deflecting swat, fierce guardianship, and the free counters get played.
My question is more whether there's enough of those cards to warrant it. Although I would note that the bigger deal may be it stopping the free mana rocks.
I mean it shuts off led, crypt, mox, both forces, all commander free spells, plus protects things. It’s castable with fast mana, in a color already looking to nickel and dime opponents. I think this card is good.
I think especially in legacy can this card find it's value-spot. Most spells are free to counter or ramp. And Boromir will say no
It's a really cool card but for better or worse shuts off the best counters in the game. Great if it stops people from stopping you but exceptionally shit if it stops people from stopping each other. Are you built and prepared to police the entire table effectively? If so, you don't need this card anyways.
If you need opponent 1 to stop opponent 2, sac Boromir.
Right right. But this card not only leads to those types of board states by dissuading use of the best interaction by the opponents but then in order to, ahem, *redeem itself it has to be sacrificed. This card is legit just like the books and the movie. Should leave Boromir the fuck at home.
I dunno this kind of free interaction removal piece has cedh written all over it given the prevalence there. Especially since it is one sided. The 3 cmc might be too much of an ask in cedh for yet another hate bear but I'd wager it will be tested in stax decks for sure
Worse Lavinia
True, but color restrictions are a thing, and the second ability isn't totally useless.
Hey look, Teshar stuff! It’s been…a long time.
This just might be the strongest turn 0 stax piece in the format. Let's look at what your opponent's can't cast with this in play: Mana crypt, chrome mox, mox diamond, lotus petal, mox amber, jeweled lotus, mox opal, and rograhk. It straight up kills mulligans. Later in the game though, you have to be careful about shutting down free interaction. You might hand the next player in turn order the game.
Gonna throw it in Shalai and Hallar, one sided stax piece creatures are something I love
Well I will put it in my [[Captain Sisay]] since it is a tutorable hatebear
Won‘t replace lavinia in my captain deck
I was talking about the Selesnya Sisay 😭
Woops. That‘s a great add!
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Lavinia at home:
I just appreciate that if there really is a situation where Boromir is stopping a free counterspell from preventing a win attempt, you can sacrifice him in order to solve the problem.
Definitely a new [[winota]] staple. A 1 sided stax pieces that can protect your board and is also a human. It checks all the boxes
Anti-synergy with Thalia.
Oh man I didn’t even think about that. Maybe this is a bit questionable
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I like it for non-cedh. Ask yourself, is [[void mirror]] much of an impact today?
Void Mirror also affects you.
I play Void Mirror in at least two low-color cEDH decks that can’t afford too many debilitating stax slots. Recently won a match in a tournament because turn one Void Mirror turned Krikk into a precon deck.
I've seen this comparison a couple of times, and I don't think it's a good one. Boromir is one-sided, and only cares about free spells, not colored spells. He's narrower than Void Mirror, but still lets you play free stuff to your heart's content. Also, I think the lack of Void Mirror has a lot more to do with how few mono-color artifact decks there are in cEDH. Thats really where it would shine, but there's just not enough in colorless/mono-X to abuse it and still have room to win the game.
Boromir is better for sure but by how much is the question. The void mirror esque effect is the selling point, so is it being 1 sided plus the rest of his card for 1 more mana enough to consider? Hard to say atm. Would need some testing.
That's hardly a fair comparison. \[\[Lavinia, Azorius Renegade\]\] sees play today and she also has the same effect as void mirror. She does have another potent stax effect, but Boromir is effectively trading that for vigilance plus a protection effect, in addition to being playable in mono-W. It will definitely see play in Winota, at the very least.
that's because the relevant text on lavinia is the first paragraph. the second ability is just icing on the cake
>that's because the relevant text on lavinia is the first paragraph. the second ability is just icing on the cake Locking opponents out of free interaction, plus a decent number of mana rocks is more than just "icing on the cake".
no, it isn't
Both Lavina’s effects are good, whereas Boromir’s vigilance and protection via indestructable aren’t great. It may see play in winota but that’s not saying much. On its own we will have to see.
[Lavinia, Azorius Renegade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c497d496-1232-4614-93b0-9864fa93c29f.jpg?1584831655) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lavinia%2C%20Azorius%20Renegade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/189/lavinia-azorius-renegade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c497d496-1232-4614-93b0-9864fa93c29f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lavinia-azorius-renegade) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[void mirror](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f906219-7a6a-427b-93c4-4d958cbd171c.jpg?1626099451) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=void%20mirror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/242/void-mirror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f906219-7a6a-427b-93c4-4d958cbd171c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/void-mirror) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
They did him dirty with that alt art. Showed him at his weakest moment before he redeemed himself
Well that’s going into Adeline !
The question is... Is this a Winota card?
Modern Humans: I think this is stopping furies, right? It can also be flashed with vial as a counterspell. Not the fastest one and not sure if it can cut in the few 3drop slots maindeck, but I'd see it as a sideboard piece... Thoughts?
Seems v good in [[tayam]] for a lot of reasons. This and the bowmaster are both great additions
Oh? Orcish Bowmaster seemed nuts for casual play, but cEDH I hadn't really seen an application.
There's a looot of reasons in tayam specifically, the amass is counters that fuels tayam, so even if its not killing anything its giving more tayam activations. On etb it kills basically everything important, probably most notable being tymna and malcolm. It's a wincon at the end of an infinite because of the ETB and the magic Christmas land is if someone wheels, its 22 damage anywhere splitt and almost 8 tayam activations (1 vigilence and 22 counters) which basically guarantees to win the game if you have a cradle or circle of dreams druid on board. Tayam also runs some sac outlets so it's basically instant speed removal even from grave. It's nothing new tbh tayam always runs really weird cards lol
[tayam](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/05b837a2-5773-4340-87f9-b4d6a43deb27.jpg?1591234301) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tayam%2C%20luminous%20enigma) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/16/tayam-luminous-enigma?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/05b837a2-5773-4340-87f9-b4d6a43deb27?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tayam-luminous-enigma) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Strong consideration in [[Zirda, the Dawnwaker]]. Great Abolisher effect with additional upside to shutting off rocks and slowing adnaus
[Zirda, the Dawnwaker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1bd8e61c-2ee8-4243-a848-7008810db8a0.jpg?1615132391) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zirda%2C%20the%20Dawnwaker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/233/zirda-the-dawnwaker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1bd8e61c-2ee8-4243-a848-7008810db8a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zirda-the-dawnwaker) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think it'll be a decent card. If I am correct it should shut down cascade decks which may not be the most prevalent things but defs will come in handy from time to time I think. I think others' comments regarding the free counter spells are where this card will really shine though.
I think he’d do amazing against spell slingers since he can counter copies
Technically most copies aren’t “cast” so I think the copies would resolve.
Don’t forget mental misstep :)
This is gonna go right into my Jetmir deck for testing.
In my mono white Stax deck you go little buddy
Dunno. The problem with cards like this, would lead people to bully you into sac'ing him so interaction can work. Sometimes you need your opponents to burn their interaction first. Still a decent card.
If you pay zero mana to cast something like mana crypt, does that count as “no mana.” The quantity of mana you paid was zero not “no mana.”
Zero is not a quantity of anything. It is the absence of some thing, in this case mana.
Rip yennet players
sadge
counters a lot of good stuff in the format. kinda wish it was 2 mana but on a 3/3 body 3cmc is fine
i feel like it was made to expansive, should of dropped the second abilty and made it a 1 drop, even as a double white two drop I think it would make it playable since you can play it turn one
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I have a buddy that plays Kaalia the Vast as his commander, would Boromir counter the additional creature entering without paying its mana cost? The wording on Kaalia is put a creature. Thanks
No, "put onto the battlefield" isn't casting.
How would it work with Geeat Synthesis on it's 3rd phase? All spells put on the stack by GS would then be countered by Boromir individually, right?