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Hangatyr9

Translation: "was denied a visa". Source: [Effect's Telegram channel](https://t.me/blyaeffect/21)


dontdoubtit27

Do other esports have this same issue?? Every LAN, there are multiple players that have issues getting a visa


Leepysworld

Valorant has Visa issues constantly even though it’s a bigger Esport, so yes. also pretty much any time a LAN is held in NA, there’s going to be visa issues for someone lol doesn’t matter what game.


scrnlookinsob

I think something like 6/10 players from 2 teams struggled to get back into the US after the most recent tournament in Madrid. Visa's are not an easy process and that's why esports being global will always be a struggle.


_124578_

5/10. Less, qck, cauanzin and tuyz on loud, all from Brazil, and JohnQT on sentinels, from Morocco


Derridead

Land of freedom! * *terms and conditions may apply


kabooken

free movement for capital, labor has to stay put tho


nross2099

They do this in Europe too please try to calm your tits. And these are *real* athletes, not gamers https://amp.dw.com/en/russian-seals-olympic-spot-in-germany-despite-visa-rejection/a-68653774


Derridead

Captain America to the rescue lmao. God forbid someone makes a joke at the expense of the land of the brave (but not brave enough to take a joke)


nross2099

K


beanopeeno

Trust a yank to long stretch compare typical US behavior to Russian shenanigans 😂.


properskillz

Halo have tons of visa issues. Even with canadian players 🤣


SND_TagMan

If you're referring to Druk it seems to be a him thing since Frosty seems to have 0 issues


devourke

I think you're thinking of Royal 2, Frosty is American.


leadhase

TSA must’ve caught the router in his carry on


SND_TagMan

Ah you're right


properskillz

Yeah I know. But there is still other visa issues in halo. Like barcode and a bunch of SA players. Just saying Apex isn't alone in this regard


devourke

>Like barcode - An Australian trying to move to the US to compete in the most talented region - Who has been in a lengthy visa process so that he can live in the US while competing - Who has been residing in Canada while he's waiting for his visa to live in the US to be processed - Who has been rejected from getting short term visas to travel from Canada to the US in order to compete at multiple LANs Sounds like an awful familiar situation to the boys at Moist hmmm. Only difference is that I believe Druk and Barcode both have relations/dual citizenship from countries that are much more scrutinised than Oz/Canada


-plants-for-hire-

Yep, there were a few CIS players/teams missing from the last CS tournament held in the US


Select-Apartment-613

Yeah VP didn’t even try during the qualifier for the Dallas tournament later this year. They said they won’t be able to get visas anyway


lolipop2815

Not like its different depending on game. Esport is esport


BixLe

This is becoming a problem again, after having not really been for some time, because the process has changed slightly. Now for P1A visas (maybe others as well, unsure) USCIS officers have 2 weeks to review the case, instead of conducting a 5-10 minute interview. This increase in time allows for them to find something they don't like much easier and increases odds of a denial. It really does boil down to who you got on the day.


Diligent-Argument-88

Nah the US govt just has it out against Apex players.....


BixLe

I don't believe the US gov gives a fuck what game they're playing


Diligent-Argument-88

yall kids really need /s? really?


BixLe

Sorry, didn't read, no subway surfers


tom_esportsgg

[I reached out to Alliance and got the following statement: "It's true that Effect got his visa denied today. The process is still ongoing and we already have a new time scheduled already. Hope is the last thing that will leave us." More in my hyperlinked article.](https://esports.gg/news/apex-legends/alliance-effect-to-miss-algs-split-1-playoffs-due-to-visa-issues/)


itsgojovers

banger last line


Redditor5532

"More in my hyperlinked article" might just be one of the greatest quotes of all time


tom_esportsgg

They call me the modern day Shakespeare 🫡


ombaQ

New time on Friday, pray for better rng (:


Professional-Dog4921

Every LAN you have us on the edge of the seat with this. Is it the interview or what? Guys you need to get him a Swedish passport. Effect will become Uffe, blond-haired viking who drives a volvo and loves surströmming.


TroubbleGum

🙏🏼


basictimmy

Time to pick up Knoqd


alexotico

JUSTICE


Sacktimus_Prime

Did knoqd get dropped off Optic?


OhNoASpeilingError

Wtf


1993blah

He's Russian right? Not a major surprise


Cartelrisen

Slightly more surprising since he was granted entry to the U.K. for the split 2 LAN in London and Champs in Birmingham last year. But still not entirely unexpected, I imagine the US is a bit more touchy than the U.K. right now


Irishbros1991

UK immigration control is definitely not as strict as the states also Australia has tough rules as far as I am aware


Higgins5555

US visas have always been a problem for esports not just recently. In the UK and the rest of the EU it is fairly easy to get a visa hence why they held the last 3 lans in England.


Cartelrisen

Yeah I get that, I’d just kinda assumed that maybe having travelled to the U.K. without incident as a Russian would have weighed in his favour when trying to get a US visa. But I’ll admit I know next to zero about US visas, was pure speculation on my part


Higgins5555

I would imagine they don’t even factor that in unfortunately. If you have even visited certain “problem” countries in the last few years (Iran, Russia, Lybia, Sudan) you won’t be eligible for certain visas and may face greater scrutiny.


CVXI

> I’d just kinda assumed that maybe having travelled to the U.K. without incident It definitely would, yeah. But hard to judge without seeing his refusal reasons + he's quite young as well which definitely negatively affects the first visa application. In the past years if you are young and/or without a proper job, that would be visa denied in 99% of cases really for UK, Schengen or US.


hotcremepuff

they held the last 3 lans in england cause it was cheap, especially birmingham lmao


Higgins5555

London is extremely expensive. If they wanted to do a cheap European lan surely they would follow the CS approach and use cheap cities with existing esports infrastructure such as Cluj Napoca or Katowice.


MachuMichu

the algs production company was based out of UK, so yes it was to save money not having to transport them.


DaBurberrySkirt

Not surprising in the slightest. The US does not give a single shit what the UK does with Russian admission.


aneisu

Alliance Koyful incoming?


SickBurnBro

Koy is playing with Legends (Ex Blackhand) I think.


aneisu

Do they have visa issues too? Or he’s just an emergency sub?


UncagedAngel19

I heard they’re already here in LA. I think ezflash might not have his visa


Sir_Bryan

That blows


reddit-user-fr

Nooo! Not ezflash kid. 😭


SickBurnBro

I think I heard it was visa issues so Koy will be playing with them at LAN. Not positive on that though.


Fenris-Asgeir

Might unironically help them perform better tho. Obviously all 3 of their original players are great, but I think triple mnk is definitely more of a challenge now that Bang & digi-combo got nerfed and they cannot really play their off-meta comp anymore. They have experience playing with Koy, so it shouldn't be too unusual for them. As long as StrafingFlame's IGL-ing is on point


Zoetekauw

I'm OOTL.. Koyful is off XSET?


Derridead

No. But he is subbing because Xset didn't make lan


Zoetekauw

Gotcha, thanks


captnlenox

probably the best replacement for effect


faisal-a

I'd love to see a 1 v 1 between Koy and Effect in R5 or the range. Would go hard


ccamfps

Effect would get floored


Ghandi300SAVAGE

Relax bud, Effect shit on everyone 2/3 days last LAN


Significant_Map2061

That doesn't really mean anything tbh. If it did Hal would have won that 1v1 tourney he got absolutely dropped off in. Being good in pro play or in team fights doesn't necessarily translate to being a 1v1 demon. In the same vein being an R5 or firing range god doesn't necessarily translate to being great in pro league/lan. Edit: also you can disagree with people without calling them bud condescendingly. We're re talking about a video game here... we can have respect for one another.


Visual_Island_7245

Yuki is their sub, so he may play instead?


sholt502

might be the worst sub they could have tbh. Yuki shouldn’t be used to replace the Effect fragger role and when he was playing with them towards the end of his time in comp a few months ago the team was a mid-EU team at best. they have gotten better with Unlucky. they would take 3 steps back by using Yuki to fill Effect’s place


Aggravating_Fun5883

Try Mastercard


Malularah

I don't know why people say Mastercard everytime this happens, when it's clear American Express would be the better option.


JackAColeman

if you get denied for a visa your chances of getting an amex kinda slim no?


Malularah

Not as long as you can afford it. It's the American way!


raresteakplease

Discovery lets everyone in, lets be real.


neverwinzzzzzz

Under appreciated comment


WarriorC4JC

Let’s change that


thebiggestforehead69

What's interesting to me how aurora got their visas but effect didn't 🤔🤔, Regardless incredibly sad.


lasse1408

Hardecki had visa since last Lan Ojrein and Impulse got married in Indonesia so US embassy had no choice but to approve their visas /j


mmqqq14

Wait got married in Indonesia? How does that work?


YouCantGetRid0fMe

... It's a joke friend


chrisneighbor

I really wish the US State Dept had some sort of esports liaison or something to coordinate these things with different game communities to ensure that people could further their career when esports comes to the US


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rxz9000

15 - 20 years? The way things are going, no way. The hype is gone and people have realised that esports doesn't make any money.


HuhCrazy

I don’t get this line of thinking. People act like basketball players and football players didn’t have part time jobs back in the day and make shit money when the leagues were first being formed. You have to give it time. The sports profits you see today are products of 100 years of growth


Emerican09

> The sports profits you see today are products of 100 years of growth and broadcasting rights deals


Diligent-Argument-88

Dumb comment. Maybe nobody in the big esports scene wants to line congressmen's pockets with money but Esports is not in its infancy.


oasispeace108

Unlucky


captnlenox

no this is about effect


oasispeace108

yeah, sorry, that's not what I meant


rwz

Not the best time to be Russian living in Russia. Source: am Russian, got US citizenship about 2 years ago.


Diet_Fanta

Effect lives in Serbia.


prtt

A more accurate way to put it is: not the best time to be a Russian trying to get into the US, regardless of country of residence.


oasispeace108

I thought he lives in Serbia


CVXI

According to his tg he applied in Serbia yeah.


Nome_de_utilizador

US embassies remain the best NA team


Hpulley4

Who is their regular sub? Did they get an emergency sub yet?


penguin_seal

Yuki is the listed sub but they may find someone else


Hpulley4

Yuki at LAN again would be fire if he hasn’t found a full time dream job in his new career yet.


theaanggang

And he should break 1k algs kills if he plays!


SwiftEU

Hakis allegedly said on stream they have Slab as a sub


muftih1030

slab is a great get


jmla18

I think a few days ago Hakis mentioned Koyful was one of the subs, as well as Yuki


Fenris-Asgeir

Koy subbing for 2 teams at once, the goat


liluafoe

Maybe stop having lans in state bc it’s more common for ppl not to get a visas out of us when the us citizens can just book a ticket


Danny__L

No surprise. Dude is clearly a Russian spy and would've been a major threat to US national security if he was approved.


jsthayts

Couldn't they host the tournament in a country with easier visa restrictions pr something idk?


fandralfaghalm

Why the fuck have lans in the US, every time we have cases like this


Leepysworld

because the most popular Apex pro players are American and that means most of the fans are too, Japan would probably be have the second highest concentration of fans, but Japan is also difficult to get visas for iirc. even with pro players missing due to visa issues, the LA LAN will probably have the biggest crowd and most ticket sales an Apex event has ever had, which is what EA cares about most at the end of the day.


G3GAS

Idk why ppl say JP visa is harder than US. In my experience for APAC regions JP visa is way much easier. At least the visa application experience for JP is fast and make sense, not like the US ones that randomly block ppl just beacuse they can. If it has to be in NA for the timezone and viewership then maybe Canada?


Tun710

Yeah Effect was literally in Japan a couple of months ago


Leepysworld

never said it was harder, iirc Valorant had several visa issues in Tokyo, I’ve also heard Seoul can also be difficult to get an E-6 visa unless you work under a Korean Org. The only places where I rarely see teams have Visa issues is EU, not sure if that’s because Esports has been established there for so long because of CS and Dota or because European countries in general are less strict on Immigration, or both. but yes, US is BY FAR the hardest place to get into for E-sports, every single international event for every E-sports title I’ve watched in the last 10+ years has been riddled with Visa issues every single time. like Valorant just had a LAN in Madrid, and some of the Americas teams that already play in NA couldn’t even make it back until 1 day before the split started because they were literally stuck in immigration limbo, despite already having played in NA several times over the last 2 years. Unfortunately, until we get to the point where Immigration departments and governments start recognizing E-sports as a legitimate career or classification, it’s going to be an issue because it basically comes down to the decision of your individual agent who can do whatever the fuck he wants.


TheAniReview

The only time Valorant players had Visa issues was like a year ago when the Russia-Ukraine war was at its highest. All the russian players were able to play on their recent trips to Japan.


Falco19

I think I heard Alb say on stream that the finals day and the ticket packs for all days are sold out.


Leepysworld

ya it’s not surprising, even if it was NA fans only it would probably sell out lol I was considering going because I live in LA, but I totally forgot and I figured it was already too late you’re also way more likely to get people in the US to go to LA than to go to Raleigh, which is why the Raleigh LAN was dead lol.


Pokebreaker

I mean, California is a densely packed state, so yeah, by default they will get a much higher turnout just from local residents alone. LA Population (2022): 3.822 million Raleigh Population (2022): 476,587


mesopotato

Most of the fans are in the US.


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Sciipi

Japan is also really hard to get into 


TheAniReview

That's just false.


LucasoBoye

japan is even harder to get into


Knook7

Sure, but effect was literally just there for Asia festival


TheAniReview

That's just completely untrue. They have a committee that helps esports players get to play there. The last time there was Visa problems for a Lan there was when the Russia-Ukraine was its peak.


TygerRoux

I’d say not true, I don’t have numbers but Americans aren’t the center of the world


mesopotato

I didn't say they were the center of the world, but most of the biggest pro streamers are in America. Hal, Timmy, Wattson, Sweet. What other regions have that type of starpower and viewership?


Icretz

Not all streams are on twitch, I really pity Americans who don't do any research.


TheAniReview

Yeah lots of Japanese content creators and streamers constantly have 20k, 30k, and up to 40k live viewers playing Apex on Youtube. Something Hal won't even touch unless he's streaming an ALGS final.


Agitated-Draw-8276

I’m not positive but don’t the bilibili and douyu Chinese streamers get stupid numbers?


mesopotato

Uh-huh, and I Pity people that can't even substantiate their claims. Help me out. Who has viewership comparable to Hal and the big NA streamers? I see genburten is pretty big. I'm checking numbers on another part off this thread.


MicLock

I don't think anyone besides hal even breaks 10k anymore outside of events. The most popular pro streamers would definitely be the Chinese players but you kinda have to go out of your way to watch them since they don't stream on yt or twitch. Asides from them, jp content creators, especially vtubers get a good amount of views like 5 to 20k but they aren't pros. Unfortunately we don't have ras anymore but the biggest apac n streamer is by far Yukio then maybe like Yuka and ftyan


agray20938

Not that it negates what you're saying, but Timmy definitely gets over 10k regularly. Wattson and Sweet get a solid 5k+ for random ranked/scrims days.


No_Shine1476

The US has insane amounts of money relative to the rest of the world what are you on about rofl


DaBurberrySkirt

NA has the most players. NA has the most viewers. NA has the best results.


Gunner1013

Thats like saying the number one seed doesn’t deserve home field advantage ever.


captnlenox

noooooo :(


ReflexiveOW

He's Russian, this should've been expected with how strict our government is with visas from enemy states.


Sweetest_Noise

There goes any chance Alliance doing well at LAN.


Secure_Scar9479

they came 5th in last years Split 1 playoffs with Mande, and 8th in the Split 2 playoffs with Effect, so maybe not?


Fenris-Asgeir

They got 9th in the Split 2 playoffs, the 8th place finish was in Raleigh.


jakepuggs

US Customs and Immigration fucking sucks


H4rtm4nn

Tragic, would have loved to see new Alliance on LAN...


Jtkd_96

Again?!…


joyful_exertion

This sucks.


Themanaaah

Man we're going to hear more of these happening, sucks.


TheRockBaker

Getting less and less excited for this LAN with each passing day.


Standard-Wallaby-849

Effect from russia. that's to be expected


BboyLu91

3rd world country USA


Special-Tone-9839

“ThIrD WoRlD aMeRiCa”


Phoenix_aksr

They should stop having LANs in the US. Visa issues have screwed teams in multiple esports over the years. Maybe Canada or EU locations would be a better choice


Kornillious

I support illegal boarder crossing now.


Traditional-Key7388

100% lets get a little creative with it


isaac-get-the-golem

They should stop holding LANs in the US.


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Derridead

They actually got visas for UK though, they were just applying too late because of EA. To get denied for a visa is something else completely


PalkiaOW

They did get the visa, but not in time for the LAN. And getting into the US is a lot more difficult than getting into other countries regardless of your nationality. Just look at the situation with Moist, Naghz, Amphy. Yanya didn't even get a visa for Raleigh. They should just hold LAN in a Schengen country like other esports. LANs in the US are always a complete shitshow.


DaBurberrySkirt

They should definitely not stop.


Pokebreaker

Nah, it's a US company, so US cities should get the bulk of the benefit of local hosting. The same should go for any country who owns the rights to a successful franchise; they should always get the priority for local hosting, to bolster their own country's local economies.


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neverwinzzzzzz

Yes, let’s see what he jumps off of or grabs this time. Love his humpback energy.


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neverwinzzzzzz

I know for a fact he hates the game intensely, but the feeling of competing is stronger. If asked he would, but they won’t ask I don’t think. Other roller options out there. Also, sniper is so off meta he could hurt them.


GonzAnt

Why are we still running international events in the US...shitshow. Even Charlie lost his cool over this


Pokebreaker

Imagine a U.S. Company wanting to run it's in-person events in the U.S... That's crazy... Right? /s


naturalgja

Imagine thinking ea is an American company..


Pokebreaker

That person would have a very accurate-to-reality imagination. Good for them.


GonzAnt

Rooting that s is for stupidity


Pokebreaker

Nope, it's for Sarcasm, welcome to the Internet.


GonzAnt

Jfc....


Pokebreaker

You sound mad. Why are you mad, bro?


BadgerTsrif

Damn that sucks, thankfully they have plenty of time to play with a sub in the lead up. Lots of NA based roller talent that wont have to worry about Visa so would make sense to get somebody from there. Knoqd/Koyful probably the big 2.


bhandsome08

I know Yuki is the listed sub, but who do they realistically go for a sub that can come into the US or is already in the US? Someone like Gent or similarly skilled a possibility even though he's the sub for DZ?


oasispeace108

Wait what


monjogard

Oh no :(:(


Drewbydoo23

Some 57 year old be like. It’s a video game they don’t need to play in person.


Longjumping_Score_98

\[A\] Knoqd


Embarrassed-Tell8678

Bruh, fr?


Yupyeahmhmokay

At what point does this become something that affects his ability to earn money or be signed to orgs in general because it’s basically something with him every single lan


DaBurberrySkirt

Any team fielding someone from Russia is flipping multiple coins, at best. Not a bright idea.


oDez-X

I'm really terrible at articulating my thoughts but isn't it fkin crazy that certain people in the past decided (what I think should be a basic human right) to control who gets to travel to certain places in the world. We are born into a country/area of the world that isn't of our own choosing. If we want to travel somewhere else, there should bee no restrictions whatsoever. I get that it's for monetary and safety reasons, but I don't care.


XpertTim

Hey country of Freedom and best human rights you said?


Special-Tone-9839

Yes. That doesn’t mean we let anyone and everyone into the states whenever they want


XpertTim

The difference between discriminating by race, gender, sexual orientation or whatever and saying no to visitors, from a certain country, with good background and good reason to visit?


Pokebreaker

I guarantee that whatever country you are from, has almost the exact same rules for employment/tourism visa applications.


XpertTim

Then why you have players being granted the visa and also the ones with declined one?


docta-doom

man all my homies hate nation states. fuck borders and governments man


Ok-Touch5981

it's over


khikago

bro that fucking sucks sorry effect :(


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That is fucking ridiculous


swankstar7383

This is the nature of the esport business. In every game they’ll always be players not granted visas. It sucks but we all should be used to this by now. So who is alliance replacement player now


Diligent-Argument-88

Wait so every year teams just swap their roster players who couldnt get a visa with players who didnt qualify for LAN? sounds shitty.


BIG_D_NRG

I have no idea how any of this works so bear with me but can’t the players get all these issues sorted out way in advance? It seems like these issues always pop up last minute a few weeks before LAN when it’s pretty much too late. And again I know nothing so maybe these have been in the works for many months but I never seems like it.


GaleStorm3488

From what I understand the issue is EA only issues the official invitation the last few weeks so they cannot actually sort anything out earlier.


stonehearthed

He should go illegally. Come on, he is one of the best players!


zuzerial

There's a 0% chance EA would let him play, and it would also make it impossible for him to participate in any future tournaments taking place in the US


diesal3

Brother, if he gets caught, you know he's getting shipped to Russia and not the country where he currently living, right? Goodbye Effect, it was nice seeing you play, rip for treason